Why we should suck back a hard sponge, and clearing a stuffed up boom using water:

Using water pressure to clear a sponge stuck in the turret elbow of a 24 meter Z-boom concrete pump. This is why we should always suck back at least one hard density sponge or a go-devil through the boom pipe.

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  • @randallbernard2074
    @randallbernard2074 Жыл бұрын

    Man I think that's why we resuculate. Slow pours require it. Great vid man

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely! Always helps to pound it through for a couple of minutes prior to pumping out and sucking back. We do sooooo many of these slow pours, hard ball-water-soft ball has really helped in mitigating what's shown here in the video.

  • @randallbernard2074

    @randallbernard2074

    Жыл бұрын

    @@canadianconcretepumper1979 in my part of the world where we pump most of the mud is 4000 psi but on the average of 6000 to10000 psi the water to cement ratio is to high to get a ball back cleanly but as a last resort. It's why I resurulate . Not olny can I loosen the set mud on the hopper but reduce the amount of cement to water then water wash and further degrade this ratio. On a different point I love how easy it looks to wash those putz hoppers !! I run schwing and they can be a real bitch sometimes

  • @saulduran4733
    @saulduran47332 жыл бұрын

    Especially slow pours you gotta recirculate fast before blowing out boom to break up build up. I ran 20m for few years I would run into this problem every now and then... started recirculating before blowing out and never had problem again.

  • @samirbriseno4052

    @samirbriseno4052

    Жыл бұрын

    Saúl, yo estoy comenzando en una 20 putzmeister, cuando metías la pelota para lavar, que RPM y que velocidad le ponías?

  • @princecharming5846
    @princecharming58462 жыл бұрын

    Had this happen many times unfortunately to the point where it doesn’t stress me out. Putting a ball in your swing gate and pumping water hard in A frame always done the trick. Great video

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely. I too am almost embarrassed to admit that it's become just part of the job for me 😂

  • @HighTQCummins
    @HighTQCummins2 жыл бұрын

    something that we do every time with ours, we suck one back somewhat slower, open the back end up once its back, then get the tip section positioned so we can put about 20-30 gal of water in, hard/harder sponge, and blow it out the rest of the way with air. at most, ive only ever seen just a very small amount of sand/fines in an elbow when replacing gaskets. I'm sure this isnt ideal in EVERY scenario, and it is a bit messy, but it does work very well for us.

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    Most of our machines have the ball-stopper built into the prime port, which makes it even easier as we don’t need to open up the backend to retrieve the first sponge prior to sucking back the second. Agreed, sponge-water-sponge is a highly effective method 👍🏼

  • @HighTQCummins

    @HighTQCummins

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@canadianconcretepumper1979 our newest 28M came with that option from the factory, sadly i only got to use it once or twice before it was continuously improperly cleaned. now it’s just a fancy conversion starter for curious mixer drivers and contractors

  • @dinnicusor5312
    @dinnicusor5312 Жыл бұрын

    use washing cylinders and when finished put the water in before pulling the cylinder. only good

  • @tat1ukpable
    @tat1ukpable2 жыл бұрын

    Had to do this last yr from a foam concrete job , every single pipe an bend was lathered in the shit! We had to high pressure jet the whole boom kit 31-5m

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes! Some of these “exotic mixes” are absolutely terrible in terms of leaving residue in the pipes. This is why when someone says “I clean out this way and it works every single time” I have my reservations. We are in a constantly evolving industry and it’s paramount to adapt an evolve along with it.

  • @ThePorkchop81
    @ThePorkchop812 жыл бұрын

    I also never had an issue when I sucked a square sponge back in the day. I always took reducer off put water in and rolled up my wet 12" square sponge and just sucked it back at moderate rom 1200 and maybe a 2 on the dial. Never had more than a mm or so build up when I rotated pipes

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    Done properly a single sponge works 99.7% of the time. We had a project pumping bridge decks in which the contractor had two of their own pumps with 15+ year veteran operators. Around the 2 month mark of the deck portion of the project (high cement/high chemical mix), they began having pumping issues, only to find that both of their machines had literally 2+ inches of buildup in the boom elbows. These were guys swore by sucking just a single square sponge. Same project we would put 3 sponges through our 58 meter and the pipes would still be creamy. Really depends on the mixes which you’re pumping.

  • @ThePorkchop81
    @ThePorkchop812 жыл бұрын

    I had this on a used pump the company I used to work at bought. The funny thing is the previous owner said he had to help another guy in the town he was from suck a sponge because his pipes were half full. Once we bought it I had a terrible time priming. It would always segregate whether I used a slick pack or just water. So I took a deck pipe off and it had almost 1" in it... I was pissed off but once clean it worked all the time after that. Ever had your pump stall trying to pump shit concrete? I have

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    Only time we've ever had stalling issues was when the relief valve was a mile out of adjustment and not activating when it was supposed to be.

  • @greghughey9738
    @greghughey97382 жыл бұрын

    Dam..that's a messed up spot to step into Glad I don't have to share the machine I'm assigned to

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    The pitfalls of having multiple operators share duties on a machine.

  • @GRUBB-MUDD
    @GRUBB-MUDD2 жыл бұрын

    I use so many georgia buggies on my channel but I wish umwere monotized, I'm a casual viewer, but am subscribed, I never pump. Unless it's the only way, but your content is good. *people hit that subscribe button*

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    Much appreciated brother. Thank you.

  • @rickm.10
    @rickm.102 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting info on this one! I’ve been running a 33m-5ZZ for the past month. First time running a 5 section Z fold boom. Hated at first, but now I’m getting comfortable with it and I’m enjoying it. Question for you, do you suck a sponge on an A frame or do you fold up and put it in the cradle and then suck the sponge? I’ve tried both and have had about the same success rate. I’ve tried putting the boom up in the air too. Not a big fan of that one because I feel you can segregate rather easy, but this is more of a panic move. More of a “gett’er home” because this concrete is getting old…fast! Anything you can share will be appreciated 👍

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    I typically suck back in either A-frame, or Z-formation. Certain situations (low clearance/indoors pours) I will suck back in the cradle but in my opinion it is less than ideal (I have had issues with buildup in the pipeline after sucking back in the cradle). I apply the same theory for sucking back the sponge as I do for priming: keep as many sections vertical as possible such that the water cannot run ahead of the sponge only cleaning the bottom half of the horizontal pipe (on the prime the intent of the water is obviously lubricating the pipeline rather than cleaning it). A-frame is king, Z-formation also works well, sucking back in the cradle is my least favourite option and last resort. Thank you for watching the channel. The comments are very much appreciated 🙏

  • @rickm.10

    @rickm.10

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@canadianconcretepumper1979 no worries man. I find these videos very educational for an operator who is into the more detailed operation of a concrete pump. These are fairly cool machines, but there is a lot more to it than unfolding the boom and turning the pump on and off. Anyway, I think I’m gonna start putting my boom in an A frame unless I can’t. I’ll take your word for finding out that you have build up in the pipes after sucking a sponge with the boom in the cradle. I’d hate to be “that guy” lol

  • @rickm.10

    @rickm.10

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@canadianconcretepumper1979 also, before I forget. I’m trying to get my hands on a Goodson super scraper, but no dice through Amazon. You got any leads no how to get those in Canada?

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rickm.10 I've always had top order them directly from goodson.com/products/super-scraper Be forewarned, the shipping costs are astronomical.

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rickm.10 that's the thing with running pump, just when we think we've got it all figured, we are quickly reminded (usually through blood, sweat, and sometimes literally tears) that we don't, lol!

  • @stephenknowles3934
    @stephenknowles39342 жыл бұрын

    From watching this video I’ve check my deck pipe and need to remove some concrete please let me know the best way as I’ll be doing it tomorrow thanks

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    Best way is just to remove the pipe, rotate it 180, and tap with a hammer (it should just fall right off).

  • @stephenknowles3934

    @stephenknowles3934

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi, thanks I have tried a bit earlier but not with much luck I will give it more of a go tomorrow. Really like watching the videos and very informative, I even watched another video on KZread where the guy quotes your videos 😂👍🏻

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@stephenknowles3934 It’s one of those rare situations where you actually want the concrete buildup to be a little bit thicker in order for it to fall off when you bang the pipe with the hammer (3 lbs mini-sledge is my weapon of choice here). If it’s just a thinner film of concrete the hammer technique may not work as well. Thank you for watching the channel brother, I do appreciate the support 🙏

  • @rcppop3090
    @rcppop3090 Жыл бұрын

    I just replaced my entire pipe kit last Friday and the first two jobs I had I couldn’t get the second sponge back all the way to the ball catch on the swing 90, the first ball made it but not the second one. You think maybe my gaskets haven’t sealed up all the way yet after replacing everything? The first two jobs after replacing the pipe were small jobs maybe 80 yards combined between the two. I just ran the gaskets fry I didn’t seal them with silicone or grease as I’m not a big believer in the reasoning behind that idea. I ran a hopper of water through to push the sponge out just in case and since then I’ve put 700 yards through the kit. After a 600 yard pour two days ago I was able to suck the two sponges back no problem. Do you grease the swivel gaskets or fill them with silicone caulking when you replace them?

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    Жыл бұрын

    What I have seen with the larger 6” round balls (if that’s what you’re using) is that they are large enough such that when sitting in the transition door they can actually obstruct vacuum from pulling that second sponge back.

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree with you in the belief that silicone/grease in the gaskets (aside from the swivels) is mostly just mumbo-jumbo. I only use a light spray of WD40 on the outside Of the gaskets as such that the clamps don’t pinch the gaskets. What I do firmly believe in is whenever installing a new boom pipe kit, filling the hopper with water and sucking back a sponge with a nice, fat bucket of bentonite (pudding consistency) in front of it to fill any voids in the gaskets.

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for contributing intelligent discussion to the comments section, that’s my ultimate goal with this channel, good exchange of information and ideas between operators from all parts of the globe.

  • @bcb0xer
    @bcb0xer2 жыл бұрын

    Uh oh someone's getting fired 😁

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    It happens. Nature of the business unfortunately.

  • @jigglychunkdavid
    @jigglychunkdavid2 жыл бұрын

    This video would be better if Pemble Did a dance

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    He only dances for money (very small amounts however).

  • @gcpi1177

    @gcpi1177

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dave is awesome, he was a great service guy for Alliance when I started the boom part of my life seven years ago. Plz say hi from Adam at Gemini. And thanks again for all the great vids. Cheers

  • @jigglychunkdavid
    @jigglychunkdavid2 жыл бұрын

    Water wash anytime

  • @tat1ukpable

    @tat1ukpable

    2 жыл бұрын

    I’ve never seen the water wash method I’m not sure I’d be happy with it

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    Booooooo!!!!

  • @jigglychunkdavid

    @jigglychunkdavid

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tat1ukpable I'll make you a video and have this penguin post it

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    David Gould you’re not nearly handsome enough for Canadian Concrete Pumper television. Perhaps you could film said video using a “stand in” ???

  • @newrealm9187
    @newrealm91872 жыл бұрын

    I never suck sponges and my pipes are fine🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @canadianconcretepumper1979

    @canadianconcretepumper1979

    2 жыл бұрын

    Very specific mixes is what has caused us most all of our issues in the past (typically high strength/high chemical mixes poured at a slow rate). This one I’m betting some naughty operator sucked back a soft sponge through the 4” taper at Mach 1 speed.