Nice video. But for the people who will inevitably take this out of context. Nobody is being called racist. We all have our unconscious biases. I’m black and I do it as well.

@noahboughdy2648

Ай бұрын

That's the meaning of racism: racial bias.

@pjmathison9787

Ай бұрын

@@noahboughdy2648 when did I say racial bias? Also racism is more complicated than black person bad.

@noahboughdy2648

Ай бұрын

@@pjmathison9787You commented "We all have our unconscious biases." on a video about racial bias.

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Thank you, well said @pjmathison9787!

@moedhirar

Ай бұрын

I'm an African coach living in Switzerland and I tend to unconsciously think/see the same, stereotypically, the African player is strong big and fast, the arab north African is technical and diminutive/lanky, the European is in the middle... It is what it is

Never did sit right with me that one of the most talented midfielders of his time, Yaya Toure, played games as a CD in Barcelona. If he had never moved away we would never have know how technically proficient he really was. Great video

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Thank you, Bowlegelege! Spread the word...

@kenmulamba

Ай бұрын

I didn't know that you get really technical black payers until I started watching older videos and saw players like Clarence Seedof and John Obi Mikel. They were really special but never got the praise they deserved.

@nicocorbo4153

Ай бұрын

2013-14 yaya toure at city was one of the most dominant and complete midfields ever. both mentally and physically. great shout, mate

@afckajjansi

Ай бұрын

but they'll convince you it was all pace and power and forget about the technique? What power was needed to score 9 direct free kicks? They'll tell you kante was just fast, uhhh lmao no. He was more IQ than pace. He reads the game 5 steps ahead of everyone else, that's how he manages to appear in 2 different places at the same time.@@nicocorbo4153

@lewiskigwa6713

Ай бұрын

Bro was so good,but a lot of people just saw him as the big black guy. Technically he was the best midfielder in that Manchester City team,ahead of KDB and David Silva.lookat the numbers,bro had double figures goals and assists, and he played as the CDM

Eto'o was an intelligent cunning finisher but that was never mentioned. Henry too!

@juuglord8509

Ай бұрын

I never watched La Liga or Serie A to know what was being said about Eto'o at the time by their commentators and pundits as I don't speak either Spanish or Italian, but I did watch Henry, and that's absolutely not true.

@goncaloferro9278

Ай бұрын

Henry was always mentioned as a very clever striker

@Delboy0

Ай бұрын

@@goncaloferro9278as the video explained Henry is of a lighter complexion so would be praised more by white commentators. Yaya Toure was the best example. He was one of the most technical and skilful midfielders and he was stereotyped as being just this big guy who ran fast.

@davidej6310

Ай бұрын

Eto is rarely described as strong. Neither is Henry. In fact, they're differentiated from Drogba for the latter's strength. All players have a mixture of attributes but the attribute highlighted is usually the dominant attribute.

@randomdudelol5263

Ай бұрын

I get what youre trying to say, but you picked 2 rly bad examples for the message lol, both of them were rly well known for their finishing

It’s not just footballing ability, it’s societal perception. Blacks in football always need to be the perfect human. People now love Saka, because he is the calm, well spoken, not too flashy, and will do interviews with mainstream media. The minute he buys a nice car, or starts being seen with famous people, they’ll remember he is black and say the money has gotten to his head or he’s arrogant. And what makes it worse is when we see blatant racism from mainstream media, people of colour in mainstream media do not stand up for their fellow people or address the situation. That’s why people who are not black think it’s okay for them to judge and criticise every little thing we do that they are not familiar with or what they do not understand. From our hairstyles, dances, music, jewellery, etc. Too many POC just sit around and do or say nothing. This is why people are comfortable with treating our players like that

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Hey man, thanks for sharing your thoughts. The perfect human part hit hard, that's probably how many of them feel, 100 percent. You think society can overcome this at some point in the future? Any solutions...?

@lexkanyima2195

Ай бұрын

​@@dwkickoffno actual solution can be find

@rangoman1815

Ай бұрын

Mainstream media is busy virtue signalling and pampering to blacks...whites/Asians don't stand a chance

@Maghema-Gader

Ай бұрын

​@@dwkickoff like creating more alternative media platform like yours to address and cover the stories of the targeted races.❤

@kokoeteukpong8211

13 күн бұрын

I think this all started with bias being created to see dark skinned people as less than human, so I believe to combat this, there has to be a conscious drive to create a reverse bias that corrects the negative bias then note again that is is not going to go away immediately, it will take a lot of effort and time as this situation did not happen overnight.

I think when Naby Keita, a short technical creative midfielder joined Liverpool some pundit called him strong and athletic like a Jordan Henderson

@afckajjansi

Ай бұрын

No wonder they cpuldn't fit him in. THey literally called him the next kante

@OKGotIT0123

Ай бұрын

​@@afckajjansinah...it was the injuries. Data says he was available for only 53% of matches since he signed(due to injuries) and of that,played 48.3% which is extremely low. He was signed as potentially next "Thiago" who also later signed for liverpool and just like keita is excellent but almost always injured and has played even less(percentage) matches than keita.

@user-pf9ud8hj6p

16 күн бұрын

@@OKGotIT0123 the crazy things is kieta had more goals and assists than Thiago but he was called a failure by Klopp and most of the Liverpool fans when he left. Despite the many trophies he contributed too. On the other hand Thiago had an impact in very few games, was available for way less games and did not contribute significantly to winning trophies. But if u listen to the way he is talked about u would think he won the treble. Even the crowd would gas him up for the simplest if passes...

@nengifiedgamer7576

8 күн бұрын

​​@@user-pf9ud8hj6p because ppl knew how much flare he had to the passes he made... You're acting like Thiago literally did nothing in the time he was at Liverpool.. youjave to turn up in big games as well you can't be here for the entire season and all of a sudden get injured when they're aboutbto face the likes of Ciry or United Sure Naby may have been with Liverpool more frequently.. but literally didn't do much when it mattered... whereas Thiago had been doing it for a while at Bayern and at Liverpool So you're argument has a lot of holes in it Amd Naby keita wasn't better than Thiago. also Naby had more time in the physio's room

@user-pf9ud8hj6p

8 күн бұрын

@@nengifiedgamer7576 oh sorry I'm just using the same standard y'all use to judge black footballers. No trophies? No assists? No goals? No individual trophies? No motm trophies in big games? Failure

There was a study the English player association did of English TV commentary over 5 years of English games. They notice that white and biracial players were described as being intelligent and skilful 68% more than black players of dark complexion and they found terms such as power, pace and clumsy was used 60% more times, showing a clear bias on how white commentators and white people perceive darker complexion black players. We saw this in the golden boy awards for the past 3 years. The golden boy awards where the voting base is white European journalists leading to white and biracial players topping the list with Pedri, Gavi, Bellingham and Musiala and Wurtz being in the top 5 and Saka who is dark complexion not even being in the top 10 despite being statistically better than all these players and performing better than them in the Euros and World Cup, but white journalists relate more white and half white players,so give them more praise as the study showed this inherent bias in white people.

@WatchTheClipsFilm-Tv

Ай бұрын

All you need to see is how every time Saka does well, they bring up Foden. That’s all you need to know

@Delboy0

Ай бұрын

@@WatchTheClipsFilm-Tv or the Fact Bellingham is the new king of English football by the media, when Saka has been performing at this level for 4 years, but the white media push Bellingham after 1 year at performing at Saka’s level.

@fredlfesl6026

Ай бұрын

Wurtz😁 But yeah, good Point.

@abzigwe3656

Ай бұрын

God bless you I have been saying this Andy Cole's generation I just haven't been able to articulate it without getting passionate.

@lexkanyima2195

Ай бұрын

Ouch

I don't think these characterisations are entirely misguided. Although the reasons are complicated, certain nations have come to be known for producing a certain profile of player in a disproportionate manner when compared to other nations. Perhaps this is down to the biases of the scouts or purely down to an abundance of certain traits in those nations. For example, Brazil (and some other South American nations) are known for producing flair players. Western European nations like Germany and Spain for producing technical players. Japan and South Korea for producing hardworking and persistent players. And West Africa (Ghana, Ivory Coast, Senegal, Nigeria, etc.) in particular for producing strong, robust and high cardio players. Drogba was strong, this is not a mischaracterisation, Lukaku is strong, so too Osimhen, Essien, Adebayor, Yaya, Kouyate, etc. This also tends to apply to West African players born, bred, or assimilated into the diaspora, Vieira, Seedorf, Thuram, Makelele, etc. Furthermore, certain nations have become well-known for disproportionately producing players in certain areas of the pitch. You're more likely to find a West African CDM than a West African GK or CAM. The area of the field also has much to do with the sort of attributes required to excel in the role. The African players mentioned above clearly have other attributes, but if you're looking at a traditional CDM, you don't care much for their vision as for their off the ball dominance. If you are looking at a target man, you care more for their link-up play and ability to hold off defenders, win headers, and of course score goals. But you don't play in the same way when you have Drogba in your team as when you have Aguero, neither do you praise them for the same things. Can you have an African Aguero? Of course. But who are you more likely to find and who will you most likely look for in Africa? Probably another Drogba. The word "Raw" has been used to describe some African players. Yes, for the most part most African players do not receive good technical training in Africa. The infrastructure and technical knowledge is not that great vis-a-vis their European counterparts, and unless they are developed in Europe from an early age, they're probably going to stand out for their natural attributes like pace, power, stamina, etc. Generally speaking, of course. You're still going to get the likes of Jay-Jay Okocha every now and then.

Yeah honestly no surprise here. And these kinds of biases have a way to become self-fulling prophecy. Scouts and managers only look for "atheletic" players of colors because they, unconsciously or not, think those are the best qualities from those players. That then ends up re-inforcing the biases and so on. Sport has the potential to transcend prejudices but it will not come for free. We need to be at least aware of them.

@WatchTheClipsFilm-Tv

Ай бұрын

Exactly

@jqk369

Ай бұрын

Great point

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment, @Darleer 💯

While these biases definitely do exist, some of these descriptions of either darker skin or lighter skin players are still true a lot of the time. Darker skin players statistically do tend to rely on their physical attributes such as strength and speed more than lighter skin players, due to many biological and hereditary factors, and that’s by no means a bad thing to make mention of. This shouldn’t make commentators and journalists scared to speak the truth in fear of being called a racist. The way forward to reduce these biases is to state clearly as well when darker skinned players show traits such as intelligence and technique, and when lighter skinned players show traits like strength and speed, of which many do exist.

@Shafrele

Ай бұрын

Its true the darker player really tend to rely on body power. I play in Kenya and its true the matches are much body driven, its not a bad thing

These people dont know ball. You probably think player like Sterling and Kante only good because the strong and agile. No, they are also super smart with movement off the ball. Also as a Man United fan we have the 18 year old black youngster being the smartest player with the ball in our squad and probably one of the best in the league.

@chaindrunkards1931

Ай бұрын

Just watch the whole video, you'll understand what they are saying. Because now, you are saying something else

@johnsontapoko9298

25 күн бұрын

Yes Mainoo is a real gem 💎💎💎

British pundits always stood out for me for their love of usisng "naive" for African and black players when they make a mistake

@AlexOjideagu2

27 күн бұрын

It was partly true to be fair, in the early 1990s. Cameroon and Nigeria had amazing talent, but made many naive mistakes that cost them at the world cup from getting to a semi final. That was due to coaching though, not race. However now, African players are much more respected, and those terms are used less for the big African teams. Maybe if Gabon, Congo or Zambia qualified for the World Cup those terms would be said.

DW transparency and honesty is making me fall in love with them. Who knows you’re one of the champions of World Peace.❤

Great video that covers an important topic! I know it's uncomfortable for some people to take a step back and think about but this is how we break down barriers and limits unfairly placed on certain people. As an American fan of premier league I've always thought it was strange how diverse the teams are yet I don't think I've really ever seen a manager of color at any of the top teams. NFL has the same issue even with a league that's primarily black men which shows you how they aren't valued as leaders of an organization and simply people who can run and catch.

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Absolutely, @jqk369! It's a thing in other sports too. Thanks for sharing your thoughts... we're glad you like the video!

@zenastronomy

Ай бұрын

this is not racism its just reality on the ground. if you have 90% of black people uneducated and 90% of white people educated. the probability you will find the 20 people needed to manage 20 football clubs is remarkably low for black people. 1) 10% vs 90% is a huge difference 2) the entire black population is lower in England etc. so 10% of a smaller population is even smaller compared to 90% of a larger white population. 3) 20 ppl can manage premier league clubs. it is so few, it's impossible to compare statistically. 4) and finally you have racism that if 2 ppl are equal. white people will always choose their own race to fill a job. so whilst there is racism, the reality is black people are not as good overall and that is the fundamental reality driving the racism further. It's not racism causing the inequality in abilities, it's the inequality in abilities causing the racism.

great video. I have not noticed this for years. it really changed my way of perception. keep it up.👏

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Hey rajuwaran, thank you for the comment. We're glad you liked the film. Spread the word...

It was all very interesting, until we talked about Victor and then the commentator mentioned "this one guy/this white guy". This one guy actually has a name, it's Robert, and he sleeps with his Champions League cup.

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment, @gropatapouf5998! It was not meant as criticism towards Lewandowski. We all agree he is a elite world-class striker, no doubt about that. We even made a video about him kzread.info/dash/bejne/max9yY-TncW7ZtI.html ;) Lewandowski is just used here as an example for this phenomenon in modern football.

@gropatapouf5998

Ай бұрын

@@dwkickoff seing how fast you've answered my comment I believe you. I'm all for fighting against any form of racism, as I believe any human being should be treated equally. However, as soon as I see something that looks "Anti-White", I consider that as being racist too. And most people don't. I thank you for clarifying your position. Good videos thanks for your work.

All players have a mixture of attributes but the attribute highlighted is usually the dominant attribute. Drogba is clever but his strength is what the opponents highlight. The same with Gerrard. Zidane is strong. His opponents notice this surprisingly on the pitch but on TV what is noticed is his elegance. Players are usually characterized as strong if opponents have a hard time dealing with them physically. Players like Sergio Ramos ( white) and Lukaku ( black).

this doesn't apply on Brazillian.. black, white, brown Brazillian = Physique + Finesse ✨👌

@chaindrunkards1931

Ай бұрын

Wrong

@johnsontapoko9298

25 күн бұрын

I'm still waiting for Brehmer to express some finesse on a football pitch

The same thing happens across sports with rugby union, the former All Black captain, and white man, Sean Fitzpatrick talked about Māori and Pacifica players having physical prowess, but lacking tactical awareness, resilience etc. But insisting he wasn't racist as some of his best friends are Māori and Pacifica...

@judybash9393

Ай бұрын

Classic

@lobstered_blue-lobster

13 күн бұрын

I don't see how it's racist rather more how it's just a subconscious bias, really? Isn't the perception of Maori being big and strong warriors given by the Maori themselves? It seems that this Fitzpatrick guy is just echoing the general sentiment, which is not necessarily racist. Besides, if he was racist then why would he try to give an edge to the Maoris being stronger than white people? Isn't the whole point of racism arguing how inferior the other races are compared to their own?

One of the Exhibit A’s is St Maximin and Zaha. They were superstars but swept under the rug.

@thebeatnumber

Ай бұрын

St Maximain a "superstar"?😂 Why? Because he would do a hundred meaningless stepovers that added nothing to a game?

@rodneymoonga7993

Ай бұрын

​@@thebeatnumber I don't think you get his point at all

@thebeatnumber

Ай бұрын

@@rodneymoonga7993 He doesn't have a point

As a white Barça fan, I consider Lamine Yamal to be the team's most skilled and very intelligent player who still has room to develop in his physical qualities.

@guyfawkes6930

Ай бұрын

He is a brown moroccan guy, not black

@TronicFIN

Ай бұрын

@@guyfawkes6930 His mother is from Equatorial Guinea.

@TronicFIN

Ай бұрын

@@guyfawkes6930 By your logic, Mbappe is not black either, because his mother is of Algerian background and his father is from Cameroon.

@ModernFootball866

Ай бұрын

Ofc. Players reach their physical peak in their 20's

@MB-hy4mp

Ай бұрын

He is black&Brown not just brown@@guyfawkes6930

How could this study not include Brazil? These studies are misguided. Then not to include the asian and other south American teams. This is a North American European myopic vision on their 'black' 'white' experience. They continue to conflate black with African. In Africa the term black is nonexistent. Lets compare smaller players with larger players for a topic like this. So how was Baresi or Cannavarro such supreme defenders at 5' 9 and 5' 10? Is it finese brilliance or athleticism. Or how do you explain Ronaldo Phenomenon being that big that fast and that technical compared to messi. We can also consider comparisons in eras Gullit and Maradona CR7 and Messi Bekenbauer and Pele. How much is attributed to skill and how much to strength.

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Hi @user-kt2zx4iv4f, thanks for your comment. In this video we decided to focus on black players only because there is research, data and studies we could use. As interesting as it is with Asians and South Americans you mentioned, it would have been too much to put it all in one video and could have become really confusing. Thanks for the heads up anyway

@user-kt2zx4iv4f

Ай бұрын

@dwkickoff I mentioned Brazil because they are the most technical and they are predominantly a black team in the western sense of the word. But Brazil is known for jogo bonito not jogo forte. Their players are seen as very skillful and creative not strong and powerful that was more associated with European teams like Germany and Eastern block nations.

@chaindrunkards1931

Ай бұрын

​@@user-kt2zx4iv4fwhat makes you think that people see black Brazillians only as skillful and technically gifted? I'm black but I also see them as powerful, fast, and strong. Besides some Brazilian players are mixed or white.

The player who navigated both aspects the best was seedorf He had both brains and brawns to his advantage

@samdavid7272

Ай бұрын

Don't forget he played for Netherlands

I always have a problem with the description of players as being a beast because it really only used with black players and this is the legacy of slavery and colonialism were the dehumanising of black was part of the propaganda to justify both immoral acts, by overemphasising physicality of Black people to try and say they were closer to animals than humans and striping them of their human intelligence, like Americans killing black for being able to read, erasing the precolonial achievements of Africans such as farming, modern medicine, armour, cutlery, pottery instruments to make them seem more savage. The legacy of this propaganda is still with us with people only seeing the physical aspects of black people and not intellectual aspects. In the UK and t USA black West Africans are now the most educated group in these countries.

@lexkanyima2195

Ай бұрын

So why they are less received ?

@johnsontapoko9298

25 күн бұрын

I think it's Indians the most educated group of people in USA

@Delboy0

25 күн бұрын

@@johnsontapoko9298 no don’t use outdated white projected stereotypes or opinions not back up with stats. The 2020 USA census showed west Africans had the highest percentage of degree holders and university graduates of any group in the USA above Jews, East and South Asian and whites. And in the UK a higher percentage of west Africans get 5 more a grades than the white population

@Delboy0

24 күн бұрын

@@johnsontapoko9298 West Africans have the highest percentage of university graduates degree holders of any group in America including Indians.

Wow amazing work, about time some said something!

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Thank you! Spread the word...

Very wonderful research here, I couldn't agree more with the findings

With football becoming more physical it is not necessaraly a bad thing to be more powerful. Ronaldinho and Vinicius and lukaku can be described as powerful but there intelligence is not exactly denied. The French team developing over history to becoming more diverse and then having many black players cannot mean that black players are seen only as powerful and lacking intelligence so there are some nuances. When sport is reliant on power and athleticism is can be hard to assign power and pace as criticism. when it comes to technicality then it might be interesting to see if the asian, specially the Chinese and Japanese, are rated as more technical than western athletes that are not asian or if the Russians are rated as more technical or more powerful the the Americans in a given sport.

The one I used to bug me is when commentators would call African teams in the World Cups as tatictally naive.

@zenastronomy

Ай бұрын

they are

@Shafrele

Ай бұрын

Well in the case they were. Look at super eagles in 2018. They were known for their tactical ability

@bryanngassa2132

13 күн бұрын

@@Shafrele wth are you talking about is morrocco or senegal naive`?

Yes, I was thinking about this for a long time, and now you make a great video about it, like you are reading my mind :) Also, I notice that the public always assigns a black player successor to another black player, and never black to white or Asian, and vice versa. Henry's and Ronaldo's (Brazilian) successor is Mbappe, Ibrahimović's is Haaland, Zidane's is De Bruyne etc. For me Henry's style is more similar to Kakas, the ball control and pushing the ball into the open space, making a run... De Bruynes style of playing reminds me of Clarence Seedorf, even though they don't play in the exact same position, they have that intelligent vision, making right choices and great passes, they are both strong on the ball etc. That is just a few of a lot of examples. But unfortunately, we often see just skin color and that stops us from seeing a person's character, style, skills and some inner similarities between players.

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment, @anaidmekic653! We're glad you like the video.

Appearance can easily affect our biases. You would say red is passion and blue is calm, which is why a red Ferrari just looks faster than a blue one. That's how our brain has been programmed and it's also how graphic designers make color choices most of the time. We just have to be mindful when we apply these biases on human.

Stereotypes don’t come out of thin air

@benjamin_6945

Ай бұрын

Yes like White people are Racist ….backed even by history….😂😂

Yes, there is a bias, but when you watch a lot of African teams play, they do really rely on physicality to win, often times they are not tactically sound, hence the reason why they perform poorly on the global stage. It's not an issue of racism per se, it's just a pattern that has repeated itself overtime.

Why would you say "this white guy" to my man Lewandowski, bro

@lennox4653

Ай бұрын

Because he is black 👍

@rodneymoonga7993

Ай бұрын

😂😂Bro it was funny and true

@khalidqawdhan3265

Ай бұрын

lewondoski is not even white

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment, @musclemannn! We also do love him. Lewandowski is a fantastic striker. We even made a video about him kzread.info/dash/bejne/max9yY-TncW7ZtI.html ;) check it out!

@lemagnifique1573

Ай бұрын

​@@khalidqawdhan3265 how is it?

Is this post or a short clip of this available on LINKEDIN?

Stereotypes are bad, but not unfounded. Look at the 2022 world cup final, it was clear which side was physically dominant. Not just football, look at track sports, boxing, basketball, all sports requiring peak athletic ability, but blacks are more dominant. It is what it is. But its never the same across the board anyway, and fair treatment is a must.

An eye opener! Great 'tour de force' guys!! This is call to all areas of human activity, not only football or even 'sport' generally concieved.

Great video

Don’t agree, what about Ronaldo , Haaland and zlatan there were considered big strong , Athletic.

Its ok to say that germans have great morale, italians perfect in defending strategy, the spaniards/portugal great technics etc Same way are african teams physicly high but lose tacticly. Its objective description of reality

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

What about the first example then? When people don't actually see who is playing but only stick figures. The beginning of the video. It exactly proves the opposite. Watch the intro again, dafyduck ;)

@dafyduck79

Ай бұрын

@@dwkickoff i think you dont understand statistic; it doesnt mean, that in all cases are africans more athletic, but in most cases. And then the people see them as more physical, even its not the case, because based on their experiance, there is high probability, they are more athletic And it requires kind of expertise and carriege to go against statistics - like to say michelin cook, that his meal is rubish, when he simple doesnt have his day :)

@vusimhlanga8708

Ай бұрын

"Germans..great morale",(positive bias) "Italian..perfect..strategy",(positive bias) "Spaniards/Portugal..great technics",(positive bias).. "AFRICAN TEAMS..LOOSE TACTICLY"????(negative bias) SMH...i suggest you go home and brood over your ninkompoopery sir

@dafyduck79

Ай бұрын

@@vusimhlanga8708 english -> always lose on penalties, germans till the imigrants in teams -> no imagination and technical skills, balkans -> low morale, southeners (ita, por, spa) -> simulants Do you even watch football?!!!

The thumbnail is crazy

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Why though?

The truth is if you understand football you see the qualities and the lack of qualities in every player… e.g. Havertz & Nuñez offer more physicality than most players… Conor Gallagher can show a full body work out (no eqpt.) on the pitch 🤷‍♂️

Ever heard or Yaya Toure, Jude Bellingham or Aurelien Tchouameni? 😂

@ThirdEye...

Ай бұрын

Sure 🧐

@mamattosei

Ай бұрын

Seedorf?

@OGPluetsch

Ай бұрын

Bellingham is mixed and Toure was always described as a powerful midfielder, even though he was very skilled and an intelligent player. Can't say much for Tchouameni since I don't really watch La Liga

@spark556

Ай бұрын

@@mamattosei true and Camavinga too

@afckajjansi

Ай бұрын

Toure was 10x more skillfull than bellingham

If you're biased by racial stereotype in football, you just clearly don't watch enough football

for me a big example is Thomas and Gerd Müller

I never cared much about unconcious bias, but I do think its true in this sport. The black strikers, midfielders and defenders rarely credited for their intelligences. In the highest football level, strengths cannot be matter as much as brain and skill, but they got rarely described that way Two books I read, illustrated the point further. In the Secret Footballer book 10 years ago, he described that most players and coaches did not realized how great and skillful a playmaker, Claude Makelele was. Claude Makelele was the one that started the attack, he did not just do the defending and pass to better players as people thought. In Wenger book he described Walcot as an intelligent runner and Kanu as a genius. We did not hear much about that, other than pace and strength. I can't call unconcious bias, I prefer to call it a lazy sterotype.

This is content ❤

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Thank you, rodney! Spread the word

Pele, Garrincha, Eusebio, Coluna?

I've also heard the stereotype that Asians are "small and fast", South Americans are "aggressive", and Africans "physical".

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Hi Kuro, thanks for your feedback. Also very interesting. We decided to focus on research and studies when it comes to black players in this video. It would have been all too much and could become very confusing, but thanks for the heads-up.

Finally someone is talking about it. Its disgusting when i hear pundits speak. They do it every single time.

I knew who Senegal were by 0:15 because of the dribbling happening there 😅😂 We are very biased.

This can be true and untrue. Prime E.g. Thierry Henry: I’m 20 now if you told me 5 years ago the Henry was 6’2” I would not beleive you. Because for someone who was categorically tall he was way more clever than athletic. Rudd Gullit, Clarance Seedorf, Eto’o (although he was shorter than the rest at 5’11”). And for athletic teams that were white have you ever heard of stoke city. Average height of 6’2” with Delap, Shawcross, Crouch, Collins, Huth, Jonathan Walters, John Carew (mixed raced but either way). And this team got into Europe.

This is no surprise to me, i e been saying this for years in the UK when they describe black players. He's big fast and strong.😂

I have Managed an African football team. On the ball most players were brilliant and creative (as well as having that pace and power) but attacking they rarely worked together. Off the ball they lacked tactical cohesion. As Defenders they made excellent strong clinical tackles but they also got sucked into challenges and drawn out of position. Basically they are great players but some should work on their teamwork more.

Bro lewandowski is a graduate

comparing lewandooski a guy who was won literally everything he played in club level and is considered a generational talent with victor osimhem who has won nothing other than 1 seria a title. and they saying they both are equal. I'd say you people are being racist towards lewandovski.

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Hey @zenastronomy, thanks for your comment! We don't compare them, we don't say one is better than the other one. Not at all. Both are fantastic strikers and surely Lewandowski has won way more titles. In the film we describe how they are seen out there by many fans and media. That's a difference ;)

@matthewmartin7391

23 күн бұрын

@@dwkickoff But lewandowski is a better striker than oshimen. Ofc he’s a lot more older now but I thinks that’s the point, why not compare him to a similar young talent like haaland. Might be because you’ll realize players at that age are in general very raw like haaland ,similar to Osihmen,which would make your argument lose all credibility.

the treatment of sadio mane is the perfect example of this. Say no to racism. There's a lot of racist pundits and managers in the top flights

I think this only apply to the players that are from africa. And these generalazation just doesn't translate to skin colors. To nations like most Brazilian football players described as very good on the ball, skillful dribblers and Brazilian's skin color is so diverced right?

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Well, ask Romelu Lukaku who is from Belgium...

@kadedrake7779

Ай бұрын

@@dwkickoff Well after the interview he gave it to press when he was in chelsea i'm not gonna take him seriously. Also what he did to Inter.

Idk man maybe it’s cuz I’m also a minority(not white) but I see a player like Harland and I think physically gifted while a player like mbappe or vini jr as more technically sound.

6:47 there aren’t pushing into this, that is so inaccurate if a player has the qualities to play in a certain position and can do it effectively he would be played there. And by your logic the African teams shouldn’t be able to field certain positions like defence, defensive midfield or full back.

I am a grassroots football coach in Spain and on my team we have a stereotypical African player, big, fast and strong, but lacking technical and tactical skills compared to another small, slow and weak white boy who does have them. It's not just about prejudice or racial bias, but that's the way things are often enough to influence popular perception.

@Jsie73bxinu

Ай бұрын

Whites aren't weak. Spaniards aren't the biggest or strongest, but Eastern European and Nordic males are among the tallest and strongest

@MrTuttiFrutti

Ай бұрын

@@Jsie73bxinu I never said that whites are weak, I just made a direct comparison in between my two players. Obviously there are tall, strong and fast white people and small, weak and slow black people. But we are talking about football here.

@Komfo_Adu

Ай бұрын

Well, you are an idiot then for picking technically inferior footballers. Now tell me, which of your Spanish midfielders could be compared to Yaya Toure, technically and physically? Absolute none.

I thikk that they all have pace and power. Both white and black players

This is all BS. It's not stereotypes, but facts. How you can say for example about Lukaku that he is a "technical, finesse player" and so on, when he clearly isn't. He is an athletic player. And he was that since early age, and that made him pro player that today he is. And it's not about color. For example Halaand, he is white, yet everyone says that he is strong, fast and so on. On the other hand, you have Messi & Ronaldo example... One is technical, "talented", bla bla. And another is strong, fast and so on. So it has nothing to do with color of players, just fact. Black players are in general stronger & faster than white players, those are facts... Take a look at other sports, NBA, Runners, Boxing, and so on. it's dominated by black players because they're stronger & faster... Also take a look at youth national teams level, Nigeria, France and so on, are dominating youth levels, because their players at youth age are much more developed in terms of physicality... But yea, for leftists in today's world, facts are "racism".

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Hey @jdalbion, thanks for your comment. Let us answer and put a few things into perspective. Of course, Haaland is tall and strong. On the other hand though he is seen as clever and a good finisher and he's got so many other qualities. In short, people describe him in many ways and see his "full" potential. That's very often not the case when it comes to black players. They're usually only seen as strong or as fast, very often you just have that one stereotype which is used to describe them. This is what this video is about. We explained this by bringing up research, data and studies. Let's call it facts ;) also the example in the beginning clearly shows it is indeed about color. Let's agree to disagree, have a nice day!

@jdalbion

Ай бұрын

@@dwkickoff That is again false. Take a look at Mbappe, Bellingham, Neymar, and so on. Nobody calls them just "fast & strong"; but everyone praises them for their good finishing, dribbling, smart moves, and so on... Meanwhile on the other hand you have also white players like Modric, Rodri, Pedri, whatever. And nobody is calling them fast & strong. Because they're not fast & strong... And that is also not because they're white, but it's fact, they're not fast & strong. They're smaller players, so they're more technical with the ball & more agile. Meanwhile, black players are often taller & stronger, so ofc they will be also called stronger & faster as their main strength, same as technical ability will be main strength for Modric, Pedri, Rodri.. And again this is just normal thing in football, where they're trained. If a player is big & strong, ofc you will focus his training to utilize his height & strength. Meanwhile, when you have a smaller player who is great with controlling the ball and stuff, you will focus his training on that. And again that is a fact, not racism or anything. On the other hand, you have players like Crouch. By your logic, you can say that everyone had stereotypes about him and just mentioned that he is tall and good with a header. And that has nothing to do with color, it's just how people saw him as a player... Take a look at the best boxers ever, or NBA players ever, 90% of them are black. Because they're better stronger, faster, and so on. Also about that research that you showed, from that video, you can't see who is more dominant in terms of physicalities, because all players are the same size (icons) and so on. So ofc people will mostly just take a guess, oh this team is more dominant. You could do some research with 2 teams like Serbia & Italy. Both are white teams (mostly), meanwhile Serbian players are like 20cm higher and way stronger. And ofc people will say that Serbian team if more "athletic". And again, it has nothing to do with stereotypes, color or anything. People just see things how they are.

Jay-Jay Okocha 😊 2 Ballon D'or 😊

Lol I clicked because I've also realised this. Part of me thought, it's because that's what most of them bring. 😅

@boyka356

Ай бұрын

Smh,, the emoji at the end was supposed to make your casual racism lighthearted instead it highlighted it.

@Randomthing07

16 күн бұрын

​@@boyka356no racism. It's true.

A great example of this is with African midfielders playing in the EPL. Just compare where they play with their clubs, versus where they play when they are with their national teams. A great example of this is Mohammed Kudus. With Ghana, he doesn't play on the wings, but rather centrally right behind the strikers, yet at Ajax and now at West Ham, he plays primarily on the wings. When Essien played for Ghana, he NEVER played CDM, always the number 8 and even sometimes a 10, but for Chelsea, and his other clubs in Europe, always a CDM. Yet Essien had the intelligence, passing range and tactical awareness to play the advance midfield role for Ghana for many years. Same with Mikel, played the advanced midfield role for Nigeria, but with his European clubs, he was played just in front of the defense. Yaya Toure despite being played at CDM with Man City, still score 20 goals from that position, again this is another player who played a much more advanced role with Ivory Coast. Imagine if Yaya played a more advanced role with City, think of how many more goals he would've score. In fact, we're talking about a player who was made to play as a center back at Barcelona all because of his "physique" and "power". This nonsense has to stop.

@zenastronomy

Ай бұрын

yaya did not play cdm at city. and the rest of your statement is nonsense. the reason those players played attacking roles for their country and defensive for their clubs is because the clubs had better European and South American attacking players playing those forward positions. whilst at their national level African countries do not have those players so they played ppl like essien mikel in those roles. and they performed poorly for their countries as well. if African players were as good as European or South American technically and tactically they wouldn't havr such an abysmal international record. this isn't racism. there is a difference in reality. the racism is its exaggerated. but the difference itself is real.

@zenastronomy

Ай бұрын

there is definitely racism in describing English players as intelligent and skillful by English pundits compared to African countries. england frankly has had players that are exactly the same as African players historically. a long ball physical game. yet they consider themselves geniuses of football. there's definitely racism there, but it's less about putting African players down and more about racist nepotism of their own race being deemed better. but other countries like holland, France, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Germany, brasil, Argentina etc are all definitely generally historically been tactically and technically a league above African, asian, and North American countries. that's just a fact.

@richmondapore888

Ай бұрын

@zenastronomy You're so thick skulled you actually think, African teams not outperforming European teams on the international level is because they are not technically gifted? What about the French team that won the 2018 World Cup which was over 80% African? I guess since they were wearing a French jersey your lazy tired stereotypes couldn't apply to them, right??

@matthewmartin7391

23 күн бұрын

These players that you mentioned obviously have a physical prowess which made them excel at these positions. It doesn’t make them unrealized, it makes them Versatile.

@matthewmartin7391

23 күн бұрын

@@zenastronomy while I do get what your saying, playing the game physically and having physical prowess are 2 different things

1. Most of the commentator and media most of the time write wrong about football. 2. Person are not the Media, if a percent of media think in this way don't mean that people agree whit them. 3. You choose the wrong people, one of the best midfielder whit technic and intelligence of the first 2000 was Seedorf (yes a black guy) and if you start to think you will find a lot more.

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Exactly, you've proven the point of the video ;) But how often do these players get praised for their intelligence and technical skills? Studies show statistically not enough...

I think the point of the video is still relevant but you have to look at the comparison. Lewandowski vs Osimhen for sure Osimhen is faster! And for a player like Bellingham nobody would say he is just athletic. It also depends.

Well said, I hear there commentary bs every game I watch a game of football.

dembele

Because they are faster on average. Ever saw Olympia?

great video, we have been programmed to be biased

Germans never beating the allegations

JALDABALDADALDATAR!

We? who is we?

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

All of us 😁

CR7 is strong. Rooney is strong. Steven Gerrard is strong. Haaland is strong. Valverde is strong. Rodrygo is not strong. Osimhen is not strong. Gakpo is not strong.

Hey!!, does it mean that mbappe , Henry are not clever but strong only

A 10 minute video on skin pigmentation and 1 minute tiktok short for the historic 1Billion Nike-DFB deal. Yeah no wonder you lot are getting defunded.

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

LOL

There's some truth in this. For example, we rarely see black African players develop into the technical playmaker role. I think there's an unconscious bias to develop them into playing positions that exploit their physical characteristics - regardless if they show a propensity for a more technical playstyle.

@juuglord8509

Ай бұрын

Yes, exactly this.

@WatchTheClipsFilm-Tv

Ай бұрын

Pogba at Man Utd, Toure at Barcelona and City, Lokonga at Arsenal. All physical players who are more offensive but yet were told to play as holders. This just proves ur point

@uviweboyana8936

Ай бұрын

​@@WatchTheClipsFilm-Tv this right here 💯 Pogba flourished for France because he was playing a more advanced offensive role.... even for Juve Whereas for United they played him as a dm ... or sort defensive role which took away from his abilities

@zenastronomy

Ай бұрын

there's more truth to this statement than there is to the video.

@zenastronomy

Ай бұрын

​@@WatchTheClipsFilm-Tvtoure did not play as cdm at city. at barca he did, bu5 that's cos he had xavi and iniesta and messi in front of him in pecking order for the attacking play making role. pogba at man utd sure, but pogba at juventus at France no. so are you going to ignore those 2 European teams also? juventus is also in west. and so is France. man utd wasn't pogbas entire career. and media weren't using those words to describe him when playing for France for juventus in those attacking roles. this video is a lot ot selective confirmation bias. 100% racist stereotypes exists, and this video is a prime example of a racist stereotype of a racist stereotype.

How much money is spent by African countries and their clubs on football research and Development in football not much . European clubs and countries spend so much money on that . Thus they have much better coaches, train their players better. It’s not racial it’s just facts

5:32 im sorry but comparing victor osimhen againts robert lewandowski and callin lewa "this white guy" is pretty damn wild, ofc lewas gettin praise for his intelligence and work ethic cuz those 2 words perfectly describes his qualities, how he plays and his consistency as an aging superstar whos not physically as good as he used to be, hes the top scorer in europes top 5 leagues in the last 10 years, he moved to a new team at aged 34 and immediately adapted to become the top scorer there too, also the praises for osimhen is a pretty good description of him too as a 25 year old striker in his prime, including his link up play as shown in the vid. Theres definitely bias in describing players based on color, but you guys should watch out in picking out examples if u want to be taken seriously.

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Hi @randomdudelol5263, thanks for your comment. It was not meant as criticism towards Lewandowski. We all agree he is a elite world-class striker, no doubt about that. We even made a video about him kzread.info/dash/bejne/max9yY-TncW7ZtI.html ;) Lewandowski is just used here as an example for a broader topic, a phenomenon in modern football.

@randomdudelol5263

Ай бұрын

@@dwkickoff I know you just wanted to use an example to address this important topic, but theres probably better examples out there thats more suitable, cause as u can see there are others who completely missed the point n doesnt even think the issue is real in this comment section or just dont like the way lewa was addressed, I just wanted to voice my one concern for this video, just think of it as input for next time from a fan of the channel👍

Really good video idea, but i feel it was rushed with very kittle context with the data, you speak about skill and mention Lukaku when he is not the most skilfull of players but yet is one of the strongest which is what he himself knows, mentioned pace and bring up Lewondowski who isnt blessed with the most pace. There are truths in the bias we have that doesn't necessarily mean it has bad intentions.

I'd pay top dollar to see how white football pundits would describe Gavi(Barcelona) and his style of play, if he were black.The racism would be generational.

@hridoyabdullah5133

Ай бұрын

it was funny 😂😂😂

Who is "we"

as a black guy, who plays football, who's skillful, strong, fast, and technical. I think you are mostly wrong. if we take a look at football right now, outside of our biases we can see that there is a difference between black and white players, i am not saying that black players do not have technical skills but black footballers fall more on the physical, fast side (again, i am not saying that don't have technical skill)

@marwanmunywoki414

Ай бұрын

Imposter

Racism is one thing, Stereotype is another, Political Correctness is also another. Bias is just intentions against context. I just summed up the facets of this content.

Racism and sort of Ignorance!

@spark556

Ай бұрын

Sure

Pep Guardiola watching this ☠️

There is should be no categorisation of players whether they are black or white, this is football a sport unlike any other,football is an emotion 🔥, leave racism and all types of nonsense outside the arena.

this isn't racism of journalists. this is reality. they are seeing what they want to see. this video had very little empirical evidence beyond the first 20 seconds, rest was prejudices. most black players who broke through into the Premier league did so for their physical abilities. not their technical or intellectual abilities. anyone who thinks african countries are technically or tactically equal to South America or Europe is delusional. brasil are black and i can gaurantee no one describes them like that. yes 100% there is racism, but a big part of that is an exaggeration of an underlying reality that black players are not technically or tactically as talented as Europe or South America. if they were, they wouldn't have such an abysmal world cup record.

Hahahaha that’s why they hate Andre Onana so much😢😢😢

@Shafrele

Ай бұрын

This has nothing to do with race

Panderverse😂

There’s a simple reason: No color.

Beh Lukaku è un bidone. E' normale che non dicano che sia bravo con i piesi.Eto era forte.

No this is wrong and embarrassing. Race is real. Race matters. Race is the foundation of identity. IQ is the best barometer for intelligence ever created, and the results are in. These observations are founded in observable, quantifiable reality. In direct contract to the social "science" being touted by "experts" (charity case hires) in this video. This is an instructive video on the decline of social science as a geopolitical tool however, so for that thank you for the video.

@ThisIsWideAngle

Ай бұрын

"IQ is the best barometer for intelligence ever created, and the results are in." It is a test designed by scientists influenced by the western culture of science and sociology. Isn´t it? It is valuable in many situations, but even if you are staying in the socio-ecologic and culture boarders of the western societies it is only able to represent very narrow aspects of a very complex topic of intelligence. It has been debunked a lot of times that it works on an intercultural level for comparisons. Even if Jordan Peterson disagrees.

@zenastronomy

Ай бұрын

no the results are not in. IQ tests used to say indians and Chinese and Japanese people were stupid. but they caught up. enough with stupid racism.

Different situation but similar to the topic, here in the States we often here black American Football players refer to each other as "dawgs". While I personally do not use "dawg" as a trait, because the use of the word is unnatural to me, when a fellow white friend uses "dawg" to describe a black player it doesn't bother me as that is a term routinely used by black players to describe one another. So in that situation the stereotype is reinforced by those whom the stereotype is used against. Such nuance should be taken into account when broader discussions about this topic is raised. Note: Here in the States the "n" word is viewed as racist when used by a white person but "dawg" is not. Just using an example of how stereotypes can be reinforced by those that are stereotyped by it.

Europe, specifically England and Italy, wouldn't like this documentary 😂

@dwkickoff

Ай бұрын

Ouch!

Sports lingo is different from what you insist is racism.

Its racism

@uchegbudivine6885

Ай бұрын

Nah it's not its biased

The biggest "unconscious bias" I see in this video, is how it automatically attributes the differences in perceptions of people to skin colour. Because it's the only reason why I would see Lewandowski and Lukaku in different light, right? It absolutely has nothing to do with how Lukaku makes an idiot of himself in the media for example? Or how clumsy his ball control is?

@billywalendom

Ай бұрын

"The biggest" idk

Here's an idea. The racial stereotypes exist because they are generally true. Even look at the particulars in this video. People think Lukaku is strong... because he is. His technical ability is nowhere near the likes of Haaland or Lewandowski. And people think Lewandowski is clever... because he is. His power and pace are nowhere near the likes of Lukaku or Osimhen, respectively. Those are their defining characteristics.

@MrOlmer22

Ай бұрын

What are you talking about. Lewandowski for long stretches of his career was known for his strength. There was a video of him shrugging Kompany like he was nothing. I don't think he was ever slower than Lukaku too. Won't talk about Osimhen because I don't watch him a lot. If anything, there a bias against Lewandowski, not against black footballers ;) Agree that stereotypes are there mostly because they are true, or used to be true for most of the time and people have not updated their knowledge yet.

@juuglord8509

Ай бұрын

That's fine if it is true, but what about when it's not? What about that kid who won't get a look in his favourite role or a more suited position because his coach or manager thinks all he's good for is his pace or strength?

@noahboughdy2648

Ай бұрын

​@@juuglord8509 Stereotypes are *generally* true, but not true in every instance. When you're at the level of the individual, they don't have much predictive power. But when you scale up to large groups, you see trends.

@juuglord8509

Ай бұрын

@@noahboughdy2648 But when you're coaching or managing a player, and offering commentary about another's performance you aren't doing any predictive work. What's there to infer from a trend if I've just watched a guy play for 90 minutes? The stereotype became a general truth, when coaches began selecting players that fit that specific mould.

@neocell710

Ай бұрын

Lukaku isn't ''strong'' mate, he's just bigger than most and as far as athletic prowess goes, he could honestly do better.

it boils down to racism nothing else

@spark556

Ай бұрын

Gonna cry?

@Komfo_Adu

Ай бұрын

​@@spark556Why would he? The joke is thinking Steven Gerrard or even David Silva being more intelligent and smart on the ball than Yaya Toure.