I converted because I wanted truth. St. Ignatius of Antioch spoke truth to me. "Obey the bishops and avoid schism". That simple statement brought me home.

@kinggoldstang

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spartanthermopylae as if you know anything of Christianity

@PresterMike

2 жыл бұрын

💯💯💯

@TheNikolinho

2 жыл бұрын

@Kristen - i hope you do understand that church fathers are not the authority :) we all love reading them, but o my gosh - they differed so much in their theology and while we hold them important, we do not rely on their interpretation and thinking. their writings are not authoritative.

@PhilGeissler

2 жыл бұрын

The Bible is Truth.

@theosteven3362

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheNikolinho their writings are not authoritative, just like paul understanding differ from peter and james. Does that make u despise their writings as well? Their writings tell us the core of whats the main problem. For example, the doctrine that body and blood of christ is not mere symbol. ALL OF THEM AGREED ON THAT. It gives us understanding that it is the true one since it has been understood and believed so since the beginning. Christianity is never built upon books, because at the end, what makes christian separate from each other not that they dont read bible. Every christian quote it as their justification. BUT, the problem lies on who read and understand it right. Ask yourself, which one understand it right? If luther understanding is right on one issue, there is no way calvin is also right on the same issue that makes them differ, because if not, why separate then right? But agai, which one is? Your ownself understanding? 😂

Trent representing our Catholic faith well. Thank you for having him on Cameron! Great conversation.

@Miatpi

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spartanthermopylae I'm getting curious: what is your standard in deeming what makes someone a christian and not? And - assuming you hold so Sola scriptura - how do you find that in scripture?

@dawson_653

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spartanthermopylae How about we be charitable to one another we Catholics are Christian.

@bernardoblanchetramirez6032

2 жыл бұрын

@@tony1685 where

@loveisaih2020

2 жыл бұрын

Tony is the 7th Day Adventurer who keeps coming to Catholic sites because his cult keeps making him 😡. Image how angry his convicted plagiarist glorious leader Ellen G White was when her classmates kept calling her the daughter of Satan. One of her classmates was so convinced she was possessed he threw a rock at her head permanently disfiguring her face and putting her in a coma for 2 weeks. LOL a SDA cult follower telling us to stick to scripture. Just 2 quotes from your prophetess Ellen G Whites own words. 1. Prayer for the Sick" "1021. We should first find out if the sick one has been withholding tithes or has made trouble in the church.--U. T." (Healthful Living, page 237, paragraph 4.) On Black people 2. "But there is an objection to the marriage of the white race with the black. All should consider that they have no right to entail upon their offspring that which will place them at a disadvantage; they have no right to give them as a birthright a condition which would subject them to a life of humiliation. The children of these mixed marriages have a feeling of bitterness toward the parents who have given them this lifelong inheritance. For this reason, if there were no other, there should be no intermarriage between the white and the colored race.--Manuscript 7, 1896." (Selected Messages, Book 2, page 343 paragraph 2-page 344 paragraph 0.)" @tony do you agree with your deluded demon possessed prophetess if Yes. Why? If No why not

@misterkittyandfriends1441

2 жыл бұрын

@@tony1685 1. Yes they did. Mary and all of the saints are alive. God is the God of Abraham, Jacob, etc - the God of the living. Revelations is explicit about this concept. 2. Jesus sent the apostles to forgive sins and gave Peter (the church) the explicit authority to forgive sins. Read your bible. 3. Sunday is the Lord's Day. Early Christians would go to temple on Saturday and then to their christian gatherings on the 8th day (the Lord's day - Sunday). You're just wrong. Calling Sunday the "sun worship day" is ridiculous - are you worshipping Saturn in Saturday? Is what is today Saturday even actually Saturday with changes in calendars over time?

Like Trent, I like the fact that I can go to Catholic Mass without being approached by lots of people. I like to talk with people after Mass, but to me, the main purpose of the Mass is to worship God. I love the quieter approach with the candles, altar, crucifix, etc. It helps me to be more humble and pensive.

@highroller-jq3ix

4 ай бұрын

So you need all of the ornamentation and theatrics to worship? Pathetic obeisance and abasement are among the things that makes Catholicism so repugnant.

@RealLeFishe

4 ай бұрын

Same here. I was raised evangelical and one pet peeve I had about those churches is that there were people approaching you all the time on Sunday morning. One thing I like about Catholicism is that it is much more quiet and structured. Sure, I do believe that community is important in church, but it should not be too overemphasized, and it should not get to the point where it is more important than mass and worshipping God.

@jesusstopsbullets5111

2 ай бұрын

​@@highroller-jq3ix i would rather have that than go to concert...

@highroller-jq3ix

2 ай бұрын

@@jesusstopsbullets5111 Blue olives snicker fabric subsequent aluminum snub.

@waynezimmer1288

Ай бұрын

Catholic Church is way easier on us introverts. But I fight my disposition and go to an Evangelical Church anyway

When Cameron said he found Confession beautiful I was thrilled because I just went to confession today after more than two years without it due to the pandemic. Although I have known it since childhood it never fails to give a quiet peace. When I heard the priest say to me, at the end of the holy words of absolution, "I absolve you from your sins in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" for a second it hit me so powerfully, I was aware that at that very instant God in heaven has mercifully absolved me of all my past sins and the punishment due me. I was free and I felt light. Jesus truly gave us a powerful Sacrament for our healing. I was a different person when I left. I wish all people can have this and the Holy Eucharist.

@MrPeach1

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

@Bc232klm

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't it crazy what the human mind can imagine? It's amazing that people all over the world have experiences just like that for different religions.

@fernandosanchezsarmiento7704

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bc232klm It imagination. It is what Crist told "forging sins", the priest is forging just how Crist said.

@davidjanbaz7728

2 жыл бұрын

Funny: Jesus Christ forgives me everyday : the priest said he forgives you in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That's why I'll take Jesus forgiveness !

@ProfYaffle

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pleased to say I had the beautiful peace of the Lord Jesus Christ every day during lockdown. It is He who died on the cross for me and is the great High Priest. Why would you rely on a man, a sinner just like you when you can go straight to Jesus? It must break Jesus' heart.

I come into the church next week. I’m excited 🥰🥰🥰and I’m also nervous because it’s been 2 years almost🙌🏽

@alphonsustheleast1537

2 жыл бұрын

Me too!!

@OstKatholik

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome home Mimi ❤️

@AniyuAsh

2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations and welcome home! I joined 2 years ago and I was so nervous but that moment I had my first Communion, I broke down into tears. You'll remember that first moment forever ♥️

@alphonsustheleast1537

2 жыл бұрын

@@tony1685 I will become a Catholic and receive the sacraments of confirmation and Eucharist next week and by the grace of God I will remain a Catholic my entire life. God is good!

@brittoncain5090

2 жыл бұрын

@@tony1685 Do you think this is an effective method to convert people?

I am a convert, from agnostic. I still remember I prayed hard to God asking Him don’t send me to Catholic Church because I find Catholic Church boring and old (that was when I was naive and do not know how to appreciate the beauty of the Tradition). But I thank God for blessing me wisdom in my journey to Him…. I remember the only prayer I prayed daily was asking for wisdom in making decision, and that kinda lead me to the Catholic Church eventually. I still remember the day before my baptism, I ask God if He was joking for sending me to Catholic Church because I clearly don’t accept all the Catholic teaching. But with obedience I decided to dive in and get baptized into the Catholic Church. I learn more and more after baptism and God opened my mind to understand and appreciate the Church teaching. The understanding comes after having faith…. One cannot understand without first having faith. Just like Christianity, one cannot understand Christianity without first having faith in Jesus. Understanding will come after faith. And the cycle repeat as our understanding grow deeper, it further strengthen our faith. Keep praying for wisdom, to know the Truth, to make the right decision, The Holy Spirit will move your mind and heart and trust in the guidance and take the leap of faith. All your hesitant and doubt will be cleared once u took the leap of faith. If one keep waiting for the right reason before taking the leap… that won’t be called Faith. Peter followed Jesus before knowing Jesus is the Son of God, they just follow in obedience, the Truth revealed after. So whoever is waiting for the right reason to join the Catholic Church , don’t hesitate, just come, taste and see… the Truth will reveal itself.

@IamJamila0523

Жыл бұрын

How is Catholic church connected to Christianity? Don't they worship and depend on Mary and other gods? Don't they call a priest "Father" when it was clearly commanded not to. Catholic church prays to idol and dead humans (Mary, saints) instead of Jesus. They depend on witch doctors than asking Jesus for healing. They confess sins to priest when they can actually pray to God and ask forgiveness straight to God through Jesus, as the Bible says (it's as if saying Jesus is not enough). Doesn't Caholicism practice pagan practices like self-sacrifice (not necessarily dying but doing something..) as paying for their sins, even when the Bible says that forgiveness and salvation is through Jesus only. Doesn't Caholicism encourage praying Hail Mary 10x, our Father 5x, to be forgiven, even when the Bible says otherwise (which says Jesus isn't enough). Is Catholicism really Christianity?

@claudiolordino2192

Жыл бұрын

@@IamJamila0523 I have the same thoughts about Catholicism. I have issues with Protestants as well; e.g. five-point Calvinism. . . T.U.L.I.P.. In the end it seems to me that having a relationship with God is analogous to that of a healthy, human father son or daughter relationship. I love my father; I will always be his son no matter what I do. I can always say I am sorry and receive his forgiveness. I want to remember my father at all time and act in a manner that is becoming and consistent with my profession of loving him. . . never to bring shame upon him. Likewise, God is my Holy, heavenly, Father, and because of what God has accomplished through Christ (God in the world reconciling the world to Himself), I am an adopted son of His; a joint heir with Christ; a branch grafted into the Vine (Christ) who is in the Father and both in me. I am part of the Body of Christ. And as such, It seems to me that this is what matters in the end. How can I go wrong with this in mind?

@IamJamila0523

Жыл бұрын

@@claudiolordino2192 everything you said was true. However, the catholic church are openly pagans, as they make it appear as seen in their prayers, in their rituals, in their worship, in their celebrations, in their accessories, basically this is not something hidden. they have a lot of practices that depend mostly on saints and other humans than on Jesus alone - the bible is clear though that He wants us to depend on Him, trust Him and love Him with all our hearts and minds. knowing this, it would seem very offensive to be a part of it and still say, "but God you know that I love you", all the more, claim that they are Christians. Christ-ian means you follow Christ. So, it's kind of questionable if Catholicism really is Christianity. There's such a big difference from the way Christians practice and live their lives as followers of Christ.

@claudiolordino2192

Жыл бұрын

@@IamJamila0523 My understanding of scripture brings me to the same conclusions you have. I can find no support for praying to anyone but the Father, through Christ. We can only pray that He will enlighten those who truly have a heart for The Master. Grace and peace.

@ninodjuras

Жыл бұрын

@@IamJamila0523 So much words and every one of the points is false and without proper understanding of Catholic teachings. What can I say, dive deeper my sister, don't learn about Catholicism from protestants but Catholics. Because all of this points are low hanging fruits to refute.

Trent is a smart fellow. And is a great defender of the faith

@Justas399

2 жыл бұрын

@@tony1685 agreed. He is also a false teacher.

@loveisaih2020

2 жыл бұрын

Tony is the 7th Day Adventurer who keeps coming to Catholic sites because his cult keeps making him 😡. Image how angry his convicted plagiarist glorious leader Ellen G White was when her classmates kept calling her the daughter of Satan. One of her classmates was so convinced she was possessed he threw a rock at her head permanently disfiguring her face and putting her in a coma for 2 weeks. LOL a SDA cult follower telling us to stick to scripture. Just 2 quotes from your prophetess Ellen G Whites own words. 1. Prayer for the Sick" "1021. We should first find out if the sick one has been withholding tithes or has made trouble in the church.--U. T." (Healthful Living, page 237, paragraph 4.) On Black people 2. "But there is an objection to the marriage of the white race with the black. All should consider that they have no right to entail upon their offspring that which will place them at a disadvantage; they have no right to give them as a birthright a condition which would subject them to a life of humiliation. The children of these mixed marriages have a feeling of bitterness toward the parents who have given them this lifelong inheritance. For this reason, if there were no other, there should be no intermarriage between the white and the colored race.--Manuscript 7, 1896." (Selected Messages, Book 2, page 343 paragraph 2-page 344 paragraph 0.)" @tony do you agree with your deluded demon possessed prophetess if Yes. Why? If No why not

@sneakysnake2330

2 жыл бұрын

@@tony1685 ah yes, because the true faith was finally created 1509 years after Christ

@jirkahanus7545

2 жыл бұрын

@@sneakysnake2330 :D :D :D

@maninthefire

2 жыл бұрын

@@tony1685 protestant pretending isn't Christianity. It's man's wannabe version of Christianity with made up versions based on a person's desire and personal interpretation of the Bible. Barely Christian

This totally reminded me, of the infamous words of Father Stu. “ I’m here for worship not fellowship.” May God always bless you two.

Great interview, really enjoyed it. Cameron, you’re such a good host. Now it’s time for Reason&Theology to step in.

@CapturingChristianity

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@BornAgainRN

2 жыл бұрын

@@CapturingChristianity we had a recent discussion with Trent on my friend's KZread channel "a Goy for Jesus," where we discussed many of the same things you discussed with Trent. If you are interested, we provided Trent with some thought-provoking answers to many of his questions & objections, which he brought up in your interview with him: kzread.info/dash/bejne/X6uapLGMg83XeZs.html ("How Protestants Argue Like Atheists According to Special Guest Trent Horn"). If you ever want to discuss this with Geoff & I, let me know. BTW, Trent & I debated on the canon in 2020, and we will be debating the Marian dogmas on April 20th at 1pm EST on "Pints with Aquinas" if you want to check it out. And I am a Catholic convert to Protestantism in April 2004.

@MrAmericanaSam

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN Is it reasonable to understand that verse as only referring to the writing of the Apocalypse itself? "Before, now, and after," as in, the things being revealed to John there on Patmos in that vision? I've seen pretty compelling examinations of that book which display it as the full and complete resolution to scripture and world prophesy.

@jackdaw6359

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN and you make it sound like although it isn't mentioned by Scripture that somehow we must model a church after something not Catholic as the church proposed in scripture. Luckily history isn't riddled with SDAs and neither your theology. And see how often you appeal to your own interpretation. Your interpretation < church fathers. Every. Single. Time.

@jackdaw6359

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN no need. One can just read the prime sources. No apologetic spin required.

Protestants: Want Cam to stay Protestant. Catholics: Want Cam to convert to Catholicism. Orthodox: Want Cam to convert to Orthodoxy. All of them can pray: God, let your will be done for Cam! Edit: and may it be done for me!

@jackdaw6359

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN isn't that imposing a non Catholic and non Orthodox POV apriori. Or do you mean you just seek non contradiction with scripture. Because that part is kinda easy.

@jackdaw6359

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN one can hold to material sufficiency and reject each and every one of your interpretations

@jackdaw6359

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN Scripture being materially sufficient doesn't mean it is formally sufficient in principle. Because the formal interpretations have been handed over. (Tradition) And if by some slim chance you happen to agree with every single tradition that was given by the apostles (with roots in scripture, good for you) now you must submit to the church as demanded by the same Scriptures. Perhaps consult the church that can actually bind the entire church like in Acts 15. Otherwise you just have a pretend church and a pretend magisterium.

@jackdaw6359

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN The magisterium can read scripture and bind people in rare circumstances against faulty interpretations. Most often this is not needed. Because like you said. Seeming contradictions do arise. Seeming. And this leads to fighting. Only the highest authority can definitively stop this fighting. One such seeming contradictions to you may be that Christians worship on the Sabbath. The early church fathers, tradition and scripture attest to Sunday worship. Your faulty interpretation dispute this. In your mind there is a seeming contradictions. But note how I can know the truth by consulting either the church fathers as a whole, the Scriptures with their interpretation (traditional) or a council to know what the truth is. However if I see q dispute, I should side with the binding authority.

@jackdaw6359

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN The Magisterium is part of what was handed over (Tradition) they need not contradict. What was handed over to the early church bishops was the sacraments (and these are attested to in Holy Scriptures although we get a glimpse at them) Scriptural interpretation and methodology was handed over as well. The magisterium was also handed over. So ultimately one can say sola tradition and one would be correct in the sense that one holds to *what was handed over by the apostles* Say however confusion erupts over what was actually handed over by the apostles. Orthodox historically had councils Catholics still have councils. So now the magisterium lays the truth down. So in that sense prima magisterium is the groundwork. Although, it plays a minor role in many day to day spiritual activities for the believers. But then one can also say so much of what Catholics believe are merely truths stated in scripture and everything we believe can be backed up with scripture. Does this make us prima scriptura? For each and every one of our doctrines you better believe we will cite scripture. Strange. Almost like all 3 play a major role.

I love how Trent mentioned introvert and interactions with catholics when you go into the church. Lol! I love the contemplative aspect of the church.

@JamesRichardWiley

2 жыл бұрын

Sitting quietly... doing nothing.

@brittoncain5090

2 жыл бұрын

@@JamesRichardWiley You don't have to have verbal or physical expressions to contemplate on God's greatness and goodness.

@nardforu131

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnprentice1474 trying to appeal to modernism instead of the timeless beauty of the ancients. Check out this topic in video below. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y4hnl8mldbGzqbQ.html

@nardforu131

2 жыл бұрын

@@JamesRichardWiley Why the sense of hostility if nothing? Could it be that this perception of nothing is not really nothing, but something powerful?

@capecodder04

Жыл бұрын

@@johnprentice1474 Find a Traditional Latin Mass and go to it. Meet some people there and find your way back. The TLM restored and renewed my faith in the Catholic Church too. I'm a cradle Catholic.

Trent Horn has such a rare gift... Wow. Thank you, Cameron, for hosting this great conversation on your show! Praying for you :)

@JamesRichardWiley

2 жыл бұрын

Trent wants what the Catholic Church offers, community and life after death in heaven. Don't forget that God is a schizophrenic, multiple personality who demands from you endless praise and worship or He will cast you into the fiery pits of Hell.

@ProfYaffle

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. He has a gift of making a poor argument appear to be strong. Dangerous

@justsomevids4541

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spartanthermopylae nice try to be edgy

@justsomevids4541

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spartanthermopylae what?

@thegoatofyoutube1787

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spartanthermopylae Right.. so you think God used a false church with false beliefs to assemble the New Testament you read?

Fantastic episode! Helped me alot on my way Home to the Catholic church! ❤️ Thank you Cameron and Trent! 🙏🏻

@OstKatholik

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome home brother ❤️☦️

@JamesRichardWiley

2 жыл бұрын

Safe in the arms of Jesus! Good for you.

@ProfYaffle

2 жыл бұрын

Can you not see the many flaws in what he says?

@christopherlampman5579

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProfYaffle can you not see flaw and incoherence in Protestant thought? Everyone with a unique theology. Everyone reinventing the faith in their own denominations. Everyone constantly fighting over doctrine without defined dogma. Calvinist vs Lutherans vs Wesley vs Mormon vs JW. How do you know you interpreted the scriptures correctly when almost no one agrees on the interpretation?

@ProfYaffle

2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherlampman5579 or look at it another way, everyone is seeking truth, discussing, debating. I find it fascinating the differences between calvinist, anglican, lutheran (I think you know that Mormon and JW are heretical cults invented by men - not Christian). I don't fight with Methodists, or Anglicans - in fact, I don't fight with Catholics. But I do use the brain God gave me to question and check - because on judgement day, when Jesus asks why I did or believed such and such a thing, I shan't be saying, "because he told me so" but I shall say, "I wrestled for the truth and from the evidence, this seemed to be correct". You guys have made it into a problem that we have different ideas, but it isn't a problem. It is how we learn. The way to not learn is just to believe what someone says and ignore all argument. That's what Muslims do. That's what JWs do. That's what Mormons do. They are not allowed to disagree - and if they leave the faith, they are ostracised. Clearly dodgy.

I think Trent is quite similar to William Lane Craig. Really a genius, great debater, always prepared for any argument. Would like him to do some more debates with some prominent atheist scholars.

@LandonMetochoi

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@ryfidelity7854

2 жыл бұрын

You can be a genius, great debater, prepared for argument guru, who doesn't have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you.

@unturbe

2 жыл бұрын

William Lane Craig is a genius and great debater? 🤣🤣😂😂😅🤣🤣🤣😂😅😅😂😂🤣😂😅😅😂🤣🥲

@ceceroxy2227

2 жыл бұрын

@@unturbe yep, generally guys who have 2 phd's written 30 books and hundreds of papers on the nature of time and debated every prominent atheist over the last 30 years. What are your credentials

@JamesRichardWiley

2 жыл бұрын

Craig is an expert with words but can't deliver the goods. He is useless to me.

This is a very good case for Catholicism by Trent Horn. And a rare disposition to Catholicism by a Protestant in the person of Cameron Bertuzzi. Thanks Cameron for being so gracious to Catholicism. God bless you.

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

@@Edward-so6by it covers both Christianity and Catholicism.As Christianity takes Jesus peace be upon him as God and catholics also incorporate Mary. By the way can you show me on Verse in the bible where Jesus peace be upon him states the trinity the way you have stated it.

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

@@Edward-so6by I and my father are one." This verse, however is quoted out of context. The complete passage, starting with John 10:23, reads as follows: "And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one." John 10:23-30 In divinity? In a holy "Trinity"? No! They are one in PURPOSE. Just as no one shall pluck them out of Jesus' hand, so too shall no one pluck them out of God's hand. Need more proof? Then read: "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one." John 17:20-22 Is all of mankind also part of the "Trinity"? Such terminology can be found in many other places, read for example: "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit," 1 Corinthians 6:15-17 And also "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Ephesians 4:6 And "For as the (human) body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many." 1 Corinthians 12:12-14 Once we read the above verses and understand what the message was that Paul was trying to get across, then we can begin to understand his words in such places as "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Ephesians 4:4 "St. Paul" was speaking about Christian unity, not about a plurality of gods merged into one body. As we shall soon see, he was completely ignorant of where his teachings would later lead, and how decades later, they would be the foundations which would spawn the "Trinity" doctrine.

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

@@Edward-so6by in relation to the Mathew quote I checked and where does it says Jesus said and in ration to it only says say baptise in the name... not I ascribing divinity

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

@@Edward-so6by isiah 7 14 states : Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. There is no place here where it states the Lord is with us. This is simply a prophecy of Jesus peace be upon him and not of the trinity. The Jews did not see this verse as some sort of man God of what you claim to come to earth but of a prophet. In relation to the other verse you added yourself "Jesus said" . I checked the verse no where it states Jesus said

Much respect for Cameron for having Trent on this channel! You are really looking for the truth.

@highroller-jq3ix

4 ай бұрын

He is only looking to uphold his confirmation bias. He constantly asserts that his pet ideology is true.

Protestant apologist here. I’ve always loved Trent and watching him talk even if we disagree.

Trent: I watched the Hanna Barbara cartoons Cameron: what is that, on KZread? Trent: I watched them on VHS Cameron: interesting. And what is this VHS you speak of?

@tomemery7890

2 жыл бұрын

It stands for Very High Speed internet. It was when they stored internet in those little black rectangular boxes. This was back when they had paper versions of websites called "boks".

@Miatpi

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomemery7890 🤣

@AJ_Jingco

2 ай бұрын

​@@tomemery7890 I still remember VHS being around when I grew up. I still remember always watching The Lion King on VHS.

You and Trent Horn are such blessings. Praying for your faith and journey 🙏🏻

@nadiaweigert4281

Жыл бұрын

Glovai

I just stumbled upon this video whilst searching for a 'Catholic' presentation for spiritual nourishment during Lent. I initially thought it was one Catholic interviewing another, until towards the end. One of the things that struck me as very positive was the mutual respect shown here - I recall a more confrontational time when some Protestants could be somewhat hostile to Catholics, at least intellectually. I also really enjoyed the intellectual aspects of what was discussed during the interview. New subscriber here, and may God bless you and your work🙏

@KH-vp4ni

Жыл бұрын

Many protestants spit down right vitriol at us Catholics still.

I really enjoyed this conversation Cameron. Praying for you. All the best 🙏🏾🙏🏾

I wasn't expecting Trent to hype up the Hanna-Barbera Bible cartoons. A surprise to be sure but a welcome one. They are great! So is Trent.

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him..

I joined the Catholic Church in 1978, aged 19, towards the end of the Paul VI pontificate. I had struggled with Anglicanism for some time and come to feel deep down that the Anglican church was not quite right. I started to attend the Catholic Church in the autumn of 1977, and was received the following April. I have never looked back. Nowadays if I go into an Anglican church, for instance for a funeral, I experience a feeling of emptiness. I had visited the Shrine of Our Lady of Walsingham [England's main Marian Shrine] several times as an Anglican when I was 17/18 and I believe this may have played a part in my conversion although there were other factors. Praise Jesus Christ Our Lord. Ave Maria.

Congratulations on the new setup!

Ignatius of Antioch. In his second-century letter to the church in Smyrna, he wrote, “Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans, 8, 1 [A.D. 110]).

@pianoplayer2260

Жыл бұрын

So what? Paul warned about false teachers in 50 AD. In fact you can trace your Babylonian religion back Nimrod the real first Pope

@rpgfeatures793

Жыл бұрын

@@pianoplayer2260 how about you bring facts and logic instead of your build a bear feelings

@pianoplayer2260

Жыл бұрын

@@rpgfeatures793 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:16‭-‬18 KJV - Paul 68 AD My point is just because someone has religious authority doesn't mean they're doctrinely correct.

@pianoplayer2260

Жыл бұрын

@@rpgfeatures793 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) Philippians 3:18‭-‬19 KJV You think it's impossible for a church father to be a false teacher?

@pianoplayer2260

Жыл бұрын

@@rpgfeatures793 So does Augustine teaching no free will mean Calvinism is the historic position?

I love that there was Ben Watkins just off screen listening to the whole conversation.

@brendansheehan6180

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN A well reasoned Atheist who is open to discussions about Theism and Christianity.

This conversation is fantastic. Thanks for posting

Great interview. God bless you both.

Great Interview. Could've listened another hour!!

Trent appeals to me ... being a cradle catholic, my rational quotient is addressed by his videos.. thanks for having him..

This might be the most interesting conversation I’ve listened to on Christian issues relating to which group one should belong to. Really impressed with Trent’s defence for choosing to be catholic. Inspiring and definitely food for thought.

Just want to say...this video looks awesome. Great job on look and lighting; very captivating. Great discussion too. Keep it up. 👍👍

@JamesRichardWiley

2 жыл бұрын

When will Jesus come...please.

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran : And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56) Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.

who else went for the traditional latin mass triduum this Lenten period?? i DID and it was HAUNTINGLY BEAUTIFUL!! i love being catholic! Deo Gratias

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him

@nathanaronsohn8665

Жыл бұрын

@@applez3015 we don’t believe in your cult leader, Muhammad was not anywhere close to Jesus Christ, that man was a disgusting liar Jesus Christ is lord, he said before Abraham was I AM, in exodus chapter 3 god utters his divine name to Moses I AM WHO I AM

Why do people feel the need to downvote the video just for interviewing someone about his own personal journey?

@nanagaga2001

2 жыл бұрын

@@Devious_Dave I was wondering the same thing

@EpoRose1

2 жыл бұрын

Wait, I do remember that there is a way you can still see dislikes: I saw it on The Critical Drinker.

@rpgfeatures793

2 жыл бұрын

Protestants get mad when Catholics know their bibles lol

@Ricky-ql6ib

2 жыл бұрын

It's because prots don't like hearing that Catholics actually have the truth.

@Ricky-ql6ib

Жыл бұрын

@@Devious_Dave Get a google extension

Great interview!!

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran : And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56) Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.

That was a great conversation and something I have never heard before. Since it occurred before Cameron's conversion, I can see the commonality because he was already on the road to conversion. Still, it was a very helpful talk for my own good being Catholic myself.

Trents explanation of what someone should do with interest in something is beautiful, if we lived out something we are interested in to try it you'll know for a fact whether it's for you. This is exactly how I converted from atheism to protestantism then protestantism to Catholicism

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran : And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56) Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.

Gosh, I’ve been a Catholic my whole life (66) and I feel as if I know a drop in the bucket compared to Trent. Great conversation.

Wow as a Protestant I love hearing your conversations and enjoying it.I listened to he Historian and Romeo that so many knowledge about the history and tradition. It’s so beautiful and amazing.

Wow just wow!! Awesome interview!

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran : And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56) Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.

I really enjoyed this! Thanks for having Trent on Cameron. 🙏

@JamesRichardWiley

2 жыл бұрын

Trent is truly a great defender of his faith.

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him

@Sarah-fe1hh

2 жыл бұрын

@@applez3015 🙄

Cameron, my answer to your question of advice for someone (like yourself) who is thinking about becoming Catholic because of its beauty and drawing awesomeness is: recognize that aesthetics is secondary to piety; that is, that the virtues of religion and piety (which fall under justice, i.e. giving God His due) is primary. Therefore, becoming Catholic is not really up to your consideration, it is your primary duty as a human being, totally focused on God.

@candelario4288

2 жыл бұрын

“For that holy and prudent man knew that to admit the notion of piety is nothing other than that everything is received by faith from the fathers and consigned by the same faith to the sons and not our religion, which we want that leads, but more *that which leads must be followed* , for it is proper to Christian modesty and gravity not to pass on his own beliefs to those who come after him, but to serve that which is accepted by his ancestors. What then was the issue of the whole matter? What but the usual and customary one? Antiquity was retained, novelty was rejected.” -St. Vincent of Lerins

@JamesRichardWiley

2 жыл бұрын

I don't focus on a mass murderer of the unborn or his son who sends people by the millions into eternal damnation. Greetings to all from a free thinking atheist.

@candelario4288

2 жыл бұрын

@@JamesRichardWiley what nonsense are you going on about ?

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him

@candelario4288

2 жыл бұрын

@@applez3015 Mohammad is a false prophet and is burning in hell for all eternity. His revelation in the cave was from a demon, not the Archangel Gabriel. The Qur’an is inspired by the Devil. You are decidedly on the road to eternal perdition if you remain a Mohammedan. Jesus is God incarnate. There is no other way to the Heaven except through Him. I pray you come to see the light and leave that wicked false religion that is Mohammedanism. The real believers in ‘islam’ are Catholics. Pax. Cristus resurrexit, resurrexit vere; alleluia!

Very insightful conversation.

That was a good conversation! I really enjoyed it. :)

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him

@durendalarcas8209

2 жыл бұрын

@@applez3015 My response is summed up in these three videos. I cannot accept islam unless the questions posed in these three videos are answered. I don't expect that you'll watch these but if you do. May God open your heart to the truth. 1. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gWaou6OgktK1oqw.html 2. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pYdhzq6NlqavZ8Y.html 3. kzread.info/dash/bejne/oIJ1tZKakbnPfZc.html 4. kzread.info/dash/bejne/X6Nkztdrl9e3abQ.html

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran : And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56) Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.

@durendalarcas8209

2 жыл бұрын

@@applez3015 so you're just going to copy and paste? if that's your plan to bring people to islam it is a weak plan. I gave you links to arguments for why i will not accept islam. engage with them if you want to have a conversation. copy and pasting isn't going to do a thing.

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

@@durendalarcas8209 who do you worship the Father the son or the spirit ?

I hope you can get there Cameron. I agree with your sentiment about confession. It is a great and extremely necessary Sacrament.

@MrPeach1

2 жыл бұрын

@@tony1685 he is obviously reading the Bible. It can lead people to Catholicism as we see with people like Keith Little, Trent Horn, and Jimmy Aiken.

@MrPeach1

2 жыл бұрын

@@tony1685 I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God is not a God of the dead but a God of the living! You are sorely mistaken. Let the dead go and bury their dead.

@1God1Christ

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrPeach1 reading the Bible led me out of Catholicism.

@1God1Christ

2 жыл бұрын

@@tony1685 I was raised Catholic and was Catholic for many years in my life. It wasn’t until I started reading the Bible that I was led out of it. Catholicism is Churchianity not Christianity.

@MrPeach1

2 жыл бұрын

@@1God1Christ well I read the bible and am just fine sitting in a pew every week. Can't wait for Holy week its right around the corner.

This was lovely!

Thank you. This was wonderful.

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran : And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56) Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.

I enjoyed this very much🙏🏽 Great set up as well. Very cool looking. 👏🏽 Also, just to throw this out there, I love being Catholic, my biggest regret was falling away from the church/faith in my 20’s.

@Mr24Acdcfreak

2 жыл бұрын

What brought you back?

@angeedrinkscoffee

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mr24Acdcfreak a lot. For starters I was on a search of everything, fell into looking at the new age “spirituality” for some years, to justify a lot of my “own” terms of what is right. I always felt a void. The biggest turn around was my for my daughters and husband. Once I started actually learning about my faith I could understand so much, I felt as if my heart opened and I could see. Where as before I was shut off and always pointing at others errors and seeking a perfect example when all along it was right in front of me.

Every Catholic Church is beautiful

@StJohnPaulXXIII

2 жыл бұрын

No. The Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels in LA is terrible.

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him

Fast forward one year... Welcome to Catholicism Cameron ! The true Church of God.

@aureum7479

14 күн бұрын

Jesus Christ is the church, not Peter

@ignatiusjackson235

2 күн бұрын

​​​@@aureum7479 Jesus, yeah, the Almighty Guy who said "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church." I would start listening to Him if I were you.

I just subscribe to you, Cameron. I believe I am just one Catholic now who loves you because of your humility and openness to Catholicism, the original Christianity.

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him

@voxangeli9205

2 жыл бұрын

@@applez3015 , how about reading the Bible, too?

This is brilliant for me. Thank you.

The introvert aspect alone has me thinking about becoming Catholic. 😂 I'm actually not even joking though. Edit - I've still never found a church that isn't trying enough to where I feel out of place. I've fairly recently (last couple of years) become a believer after decades of atheism and then agnosticism. I'm not very concerned with doctrinal issues unless it's something that is blatantly illogical or wrong because I'm not looking for someone to tell me what to think but how to better think. I love music but not so much concerts. I am easily annoyed by pushy attempts to exite me. I need good, in depth theology/philosophy in a loving but calm and peaceful environment. The church absolutely needs to be doing good for the community and world more than anything. Tithing isn't to pay for our own enjoyment but to do God's work. Any suggestions is appreciated.

@rebeccaanderson525

2 жыл бұрын

I can honestly say that the introvert aspect played a large part in my conversion.

@meatofpeach

2 жыл бұрын

Since you’re asking for suggestions, I recommend watching Bishop Barron’s series “Catholicism”. You can get a free trial on his word on fire site to watch it for free. Also, Catholic Answers YT channel and site is good if you have specific questions about Catholicism. I became Catholic a couple years ago, was an atheist/agnostic for most of my life. God bless

@JuanRamirez-di9bl

2 жыл бұрын

Dude so funny! For my wife and I is the same! We love the calm and respectful ambient in Mass rather than a noisy and moving environment, we are indeed introverts and don’t like being noticed. Rather we like to be there worshiping God internally. But is different for everyone, I don’t think Protestant churches are worshipping less or more by being more energetic, just different. I think the right way would’ve been for the Protestants to have remained in communion with the Church, and became a religious order, rather than something separate. But anyways, just keep praying to God to guide you where you should go. Let it be His will! And God bless you in your way!

@justinfuller8481

2 жыл бұрын

No other organization on earth feeds more hungry, clothes more naked, and cares for more sick than the Catholic Church

@christislord4608

2 жыл бұрын

I guess Hillsong and Bethel and other charismatic churches arent a thing for you xD (and IMO -it shouldnt be for anyone- it should be for nobody lol) May I ask, what changed your mind about Atheism?

Aw, look at all the angry Protestants disliking this video simply out of bias towards Catholicism. I bet so many immediately sped to the comments to say Catholicism is unbiblical and we are idolaters.

@rachybaby72

2 жыл бұрын

No and yes.

@ToxicallyMasculinelol

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN Uh, Trent did say "before his ascension." He's obviously not claiming that Jesus didn't want the Bible to be written. Catholics are bound by the Magisterium to believe in biblical inspiration. It's not an optional opinion. He's talking about what Jesus seems to emphasize. Jesus rarely mentions writing the Gospels and never gives any indication that believers should treat the future Gospels as the "sole infallible rule of faith," whereas he constantly instructs us to contribute to and submit ourselves to the Church. So clearly there isn't any biblical warrant for sola scriptura. This is not an either/or proposition - like most things, for Catholics it's a both/and thing. Scripture vs. tradition is a false dilemma that serves no purpose other than to attack the authority of the sole remaining Apostolic successors. The burden of proof isn't on the Catholic Church to prove that both the things Jesus recommended are worthwhile. The Bible itself has already demonstrated that Jesus seems to think of the Church as the central focus of worship and as a singular, hierarchical organization, so the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that it's not any of those things, that Jesus only wanted us to use Scripture, and that he didn't really mean all those things he said about the Church.

@ToxicallyMasculinelol

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN Btw somehow I knew you'd be on here within hours, twisting Trent's words in the hopes of throwing a stumbling block out there for discerning protestants to trip over.

@northmd

2 жыл бұрын

Papists are idolatrous pagan dogs.

@johnyang1420

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus started Catholic church.

Thanks! I like Trent's what of explaining things.

What a good talk!

Being Catholic, it’s not only the beautiful churches but it’s also the solemnity of being inside in front of the Altar. The presence and peace you feel in front of the Tabernacle. The forgiveness of sin at the sacrament of Reconciliation and feelings of your love for the Holy God. And God making you feel of His presence when you are forgiven of your sins. Having a purpose to serve your loving Holy God the Father. When one is holy, you can actually hear God speak to you if you know or learn how to listen, and will have peace, joy and satisfaction.

@pianoplayer2260

Жыл бұрын

If Roman Catholicism is a religion of peace so is Islam. It's crazy how much blood was shed by devout Roman Catholics like Mary I, Philip of Spain, and Hitler who was not negatively spoken of by the current pope.

@JW-sg7tt

4 ай бұрын

@@pianoplayer2260that’s a laughable objection to Catholicism. You could make that exact same argument about Protestantism as well. Protestants enslaved the Catholic people of Ireland. Just because self-described “Catholics” did bad things doesn’t mean Catholicism itself is bad. Be careful about the arguments you make. Also, I’m Catholic, but I don’t think Protestantism is inherently bad because people who identified as Protestant were slave-owners.

@pianoplayer2260

4 ай бұрын

@@JW-sg7tt Most Protestants are lost religious people just like Catholics. I'm consistent in my beliefs. Any protestant church state religion like Anglicanism or Calvinism is of the devil. The Puritans came to America to get away from the Church of England (Anglican). I don't think in terms as you're Protestant or Catholic, but rather saved and lost professing Christians. I'm not like Gavin Ortland, I don't about being a protestant apologist. I associate myself with the bible-believing Christians who are and always will be a remnant on the strait and narrow path. No church is perfect, but when you have blood on your hands associating with a church that is a system that does not have God's stamp of approval. If a protestant was also a part of the KKK, or if protestants enslaved Catholics, or if Bloody Mary killed almost 300 protestants that only proves that most all of professing Christianity is wrong and they are not living by the scriptures. Catholicism is among the many false religions in my view.

@pianoplayer2260

4 ай бұрын

@@JW-sg7tt Question: How can the largest church in all of Christendom with 1 Billion+ people be among the FEW that are on the straight and narrow? Not only that, but was that also true in middle ages when the Roman Catholic church dominated Europe? This "Catholic awakening" going on right now on KZread only helps prove that Catholicism is on the broad path. The majority in bible is almost never in the right. 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it. Matthew 7 Catholic Answers' explanation does not refute this idea: "Well, it is Our Lord who calls himself the way and the gate elsewhere in the gospels. So he is the “narrow way.” He is teaching us that his way of salvation is the only true one, and this way is identical with himself. This is what is meant by “narrow.” So one does not reach Christ simply by following broad human opinion or custom but by clinging to him alone. Consider also that the Savior’s beloved disciple St John tells us in his first epistle that God is love. So the narrow way which is Christ is the way of love. This is the way of the cross, the way of the saints who left all to follow Christ." www.catholic.com/qa/how-to-interpret-matthew-713-14

The original Christian religion is when Orthodox and Catholic were one religion

@SalvusGratiumFidem

2 жыл бұрын

Negative. There were many "denominations" loyal to the faith before Orthodox or Catholic ever existed. The most well known and documented to the extreme is what we today call baptists.

@frisc0pn0ib0i

2 жыл бұрын

@@SalvusGratiumFidem Baptists church was only formed in 1638. Next.

@SalvusGratiumFidem

2 жыл бұрын

@@frisc0pn0ib0i I didn't say baptists of today. I said what we today call baptists. They go back to the 1st century. Today's baptists are the closest to what the early church fathers taught.

@lyterman

2 жыл бұрын

@@SalvusGratiumFidem I would investigate that claim. Maybe start by looking into baptismal regeneration, episcopal polity, and the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

@sneakysnake2330

2 жыл бұрын

@@SalvusGratiumFidem ah yes, because the early church fathers taught sola scriptura, that the Eucharist is a symbol, and that baptism doesn’t save lol.

Great video

👍🏼 Very good Video.... 👍🏼🕊️🕊️🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 loved it ..

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran : And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56) Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.

Although I see and respect Trent Horn and our Catholic friends, I became Orthodox at the end of the day, please pray that this schism one day ends ☦❤⛪

@lyterman

2 жыл бұрын

Amen ✝️

@jackdaw6359

2 жыл бұрын

I may have come to the Catholic conclusion but I think both people who considered Orthodoxy and Catholicism can conclude how ridiculous the Protestant position is.

@cameron4339

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackdaw6359 agreed, although God loves them as much as the next sinner, they should join the one true church

@cameron4339

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN indeed, but calling people stupid is not true, more like ignorant

@Thomasfboyle

2 жыл бұрын

Christ: “If they are not against you, they are with you.” Also Christ: “If they are not with me, they are against me.” Schism is a paradox, God help our pride in every division be resolved. Honestly there is no schism between most Catholics and Orthodox, what remains is a vague, political, abstract notion of difference where 99% of the rest of the planet would have absolutely no idea the difference between us.

I wish more people with different beliefs can have this kind of dialogue. Instead of hostile us vs them attitude.

@JamesRichardWiley

2 жыл бұрын

It's called drama and is pleasing to God.

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him

Love it all the way

That was a great easy going conversation. I'm watching this after Cameron's conversion. I wonder how long after this interview did Cameron decide to convert? Is his atheist guest that he's going to speak to after Trent and was sitting there waiting still an atheist?

I kept wanting to interject...The Eucharist! The Sacrament of Holy Communion which gives us the real presence of Christ, the Transubstantiation. That is the difference between Protestantism and our Catholic Church. By the way, I grew up Southern Baptist, and I am a late life convert. As to what we are expected to do, for me it is easy...just follow, obey, and emulate Christ.

@AlexE5250

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to Catholicism. The Eucharist, indeed, is the best and most glorious part of our Faith. The best part about it is that it’s true :)

@bluecomb5376

Жыл бұрын

Welcome home! I'm a cradle Catholic and always have admired the intense study and grappling converts go through. I'm doing the Catechism in a Year with Fr. Mike Schmitz and I can't get enough of our faith. It is endless beauty.

@ignatiusjackson235

2 күн бұрын

Amen! Rome, sweet home.

Lol, I don't think I've ever seen Trent with glasses

Thank you

Thanks. God Bless

Enjoy listening to Trent even though im not catholic. #Protestant.

@Grantthecatholic

2 жыл бұрын

What reasons make you protestant might I ask? I ask purely to converse as a convert myself to Catholicism from non-denominational background. Interested to hear

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran : And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56) Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.

Everyone should be Catholic

@alphonsustheleast1537

2 жыл бұрын

Amen. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us sinners.

@johnyang1420

2 жыл бұрын

True!!!

@Lola-kv6fx

2 жыл бұрын

AMEN!

@ignatiusjackson235

2 күн бұрын

Amen!

very cool love trent!

One critique: there are 3 Major Umbrella Groupings to choose from, but in Protestantism, even just in my County of Ohio, there are dozens of Denominations to pick from, each with a very distinct Theology and Ecclesiology.

My boy Trent always repping the catholic faith well!

@pianoplayer2260

Жыл бұрын

Study the Jesuits for about Catholicism

Is it just me, or does Trent look like Mark Ruffalo with glasses on 😅

Does anyone feel like the most genuine part of our faith is that the moment before the cross roads? The moment of our confession. which by the way is being done in all throughout all denominations. “The words of the wise are like goads, and like nails firmly fixed are the collected sayings; they are given by one Shepherd. My son, beware of anything beyond these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh. The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil.” ‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:11-14‬ ‭

@davidjanbaz7728

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN you mean all 613 if you're going to keep the Jewish Sabbath.

If you're considering Catholicism, try RCIA (Right of Christian Initiation for Adults) at a local Catholic Church. You do not need to commit to a conversion but simply follow the journey of learning the truth about the Catholic Church in fellowship with other discerners.

@pianoplayer2260

Жыл бұрын

If you're considering Catholicism, study the Jesuits and their oath.

Paul never looked for Mary, much less prayed to her, so why should anyone.... One mediator... That's biblical

During the part (min 23) where he was talking about the Pope and brought up the fact that there was a king of Israel. My Mind instantly went to the fact that Isreal wasn’t supposed to have a king but because they were not listening to the Prophet of God they demanded there be a king. “Later, Samuel gave a farewell speech that would also address this issue, saying, “I will call on the Lord to send thunder and rain. And you will realize what an evil thing you did in the eyes of the Lord when you asked for a king” “Why was asking for a king wrong? The Lord was to be the ruler of Israel. God led the people through Moses and Aaron, and then through priests and judges raised up to govern the people. In Samuel’s time, the people began to worry about who the next leader would be, since Samuel’s sons did not follow the Lord. Their request for a king was a rejection of God’s way of leadership over them. “Another reason it was wrong to ask for a king is that the Israelites did so in order to be like “all the other nations.” God had created Israel as a unique people. He was their leader. When the Israelites wanted a king like other nations had, they were rejecting their unique, set-apart position as God’s people. The nation whose God was to be the Lord alone was envious of the nations who followed false gods.” It seems scriptural that God set up a church in a specific way. Christ as the head and under him bishops (who are equal) and so on.

@koppite9600

2 жыл бұрын

There was a bishop who was the first among equals, St Peter

@koppite9600

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN you are arguing a Catholic conspiracy?

@davidjanbaz7728

2 жыл бұрын

@@koppite9600 Paul picked by Jesus himself!

@koppite9600

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN do you know what having the keys of heaven means for St Peter? It was a position in Israel and Jesus gave it to Peter. If you study tradition you would know

@koppite9600

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidjanbaz7728 Peter was given the keys of heaven. The Catholic church has 12 apostles including Matthew and Paul which should make it 13 but Paul and Peter share the same seat so 12.

I loved Hanna-Barbera's "The Greatest Adventure: Stories from the Bible" series. Nothing rivals it to this day.

Really nice watching you on your journey. I'm ona similar journey. The difference I already left protestanism. I don't know enough on the magisterium to decide between catholicim and eatern othodox. I'm just treating catholicism a true until proven guilty.

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him

I'm cradle Catholic so I can't tell, but I love saints and our nouns. Some of who I knew were so holly...brings me back to my childhood years when I just think about them, to years when things were so simple.

@JamesRichardWiley

2 жыл бұрын

When I was a child I thought as a child...

@giannarose6503

2 жыл бұрын

It’s important to take the time to educate yourself well enough to understand your faith and be able to defend it. Catholicism is beautiful, yes. And the answers are all there I’d you truly look.

As a cradle Filipino 🇵🇭 Catholic my faith in God is WEAKENING. Although I also think Atheism is FOOLISHNESS since Life is so SHORT.

@meusisto

2 жыл бұрын

Why weakening?

Great episode! Thanks for doing it! I think I would claim that protestantism should be the default. By the definition that Horn gave, protestantism is Scripture, Orthodoxy is Scripture + Tradition. Catholicism is Scripture + Tradition + Magisterium. By definition, if I am not convinced of Tradition or the Magisterium, I can remain agnostic on those. But doing so would make me a protestant. Also, I think by this line of argumentation, we should claim that progressive Christianity would be the baseline after accepting mere Christianity. This form of progressive Christianity would accept just the Gospel with no authority over teaching. I don't think Trent would argue that we should all start as progressive Christians. Basically, if we are convinced of Christianity, it is one step to get to protestantism. After that step, it is another to get to Orthodoxy. After that step it is another to get to Catholicism. When I look at a staircase, I don't think, "I could start at any point." Rather, I think "the bottom step is the default before I move to the next one"

@bushbladesnbows.2378

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, and for those who are not catholic or are orthodox, they just consider some things as one step to far.

@xtreme_survival7879

2 жыл бұрын

Colton Moore So for the first couple of hundred years when there was no written scripture but just Oral and Tradition passed down would they be protestant?

@bushbladesnbows.2378

2 жыл бұрын

@@xtreme_survival7879 that is not necessary relevant because we are not in those first years. Trying to use modern terms for something so long ago doesn't really work, because it's not like they were protesting anything, but because they didn't have scripture they didn't fit into any of the categories that Trent outlined, and whatever they were doesn't and can't exist now, so I'm not sure why you are asking. But i guess no is the simple answer.

@lukebrasting5108

2 жыл бұрын

That's make no sense at all. The Bible is a product of the Church, so how can you turn around and use it to attack the very same Church that compiled it? Why even trust the Bible if you refuse to acknowledge the Church that assembled, guarded and translated it? Jesus didn't come to give us a Bible, He came to establish a Church and the Church gave us the Bible because it existed before the Bible.

@coltonmoore4572

2 жыл бұрын

@@lukebrasting5108 Hi friend! Thanks for your reply. So first, I don't think you are right to claim that if I accept one thing from the Church that I need to accept everything. Also, it is bold of you to assume that I have no other historical reasons to accept Scripture. All early sources have the same books in Scripture. The books were accepted as Scripture before the church canonized it. Enemies of the church quoted books from Scripture. They did not quote from the Gospel of Peter because no one accepted it. Acting as though we would be lost as to which books without the church is simply wrong. Also, I totally respect church tradition and the Church fathers. And I see the Church as having been sustained from the moment Christ started it. But that doesn't mean that I see a reason to say that every church tradition is infallible in the same way that I see evidence for Scripture's infallibility. So I can judge tradition and the fathers against Scripture with one source that takes precedent. It's not an illogical position. Saying that I have to accept a greater number of infallible sources is completely accurate. And accepting one infallible source is more of a default than accepting 2

Reason and theology next!

Both of these guys talking about Sola Scriptura being historically essential for Protestantism and me sitting here as an Anglican with our historical understanding of Prima Scriptura😅

@samuelaylmer804

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN Article 6, although the phrase “Prima Scriptura” is not used explicitly

@aajaifenn

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuelaylmer804 How does article 6 differ from Sola scriptura

@samuelaylmer804

2 жыл бұрын

@@aajaifenn because it says that the main canon is sufficient for salvation and doctrine, but not for life and morals since the other cannon can be used for this. So one could argue it’s very similar with SS but it’s not the same strict interpretation compared to other Protestants.

@aajaifenn

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuelaylmer804 isn't the article saying that the other canon can be used for edification and devotion and can be read in church for that purpose but that the main canon can be used for edification and devotion AND in addition for establishing doctrine that binds the conscience .The main cannon has this additional ability that the lesser dosent .

Trent Horn is a Catholic treasure.

Let's gooooooo!!!!!

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him

I think Trent's question, "Where is that church today?" is a very good question. If we can indeed trace Catholicism back to the original apostles, then that will be very interesting. But my question now is, what if that church through the centuries of its existence made some errors in its doctrines that seem contradictory with Scripture (the highest Christian authority)? Would it still be worth following that church? Should we just correct the church of its errors? What if that church insists on its errors? Should we then divide ourselves from that church like the Reformation?

@js2139

2 жыл бұрын

Your presupposition is that scripture is "the highest christian authority" . This is a core belief amongst the vast majority of Protestants and is usually taken for granted, but when you research this idea, you find that it is not historical, logical, nor even scriptural, but rather was invented very late in the game. If you decide that one of the church's teachings is indeed contradictory to scripture, what you are really saying is that you have decided that the church's teaching is contradictory to your own, or an individuals interpretation of scripture, which is actually making yourself, or that individual, the highest authority and ultimate arbiter of truth. The Catholic Church teaches that the Bible is indeed authoritative, infallible, etc, but that it interacts with the apostolic tradition and the teaching authority of the apostolic lineage to ensure the proper interpretation and application of the scriptures. On our own we are all able to err , but the Holy Spirit guides the Apostolic church in its entirety, as the body of Christ into all truth. On our own, left up to our own interpretations, we can end up very off-track. Scripture can be unclear and even quite confusing and can be interpreted an infinite number of ways. We see this in the Protestant community today as the number of denominations grows perpetually and new ideas and beliefs come and go fluidly. We also see this in 2Peter 3:15 : "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, knowing these things beforehand, beware lest, being carried away with the error of the wicked, ye fall from your own stedfastness. I suggest you look more into the origins of flaws in Sola Scriptura and the Catholic teachings on church authority. If you like Trent Horn, he does have plenty of excellent treatments on both of these subjects. So does Jimmy Akin.

@pianoplayer2260

Жыл бұрын

@@js2139The church fathers argument is extremely overrated. Did not Paul warn about false teachers in 50 AD? Irenaeus has some pseudo-Catholic statement. So what? You don't think wolves can't get in because of their credentials? I suggest you study the Jesuits. Alberto Rivera was a real Jesuit priest and he has exposed how evil Jesuitism is. Doubt me? The proof is in "Is Alberto for Real?". Why not also read the Jesuit oath? Do you actually care about truth? Don't call me a conspiracy theorist, research yourself. Also, was Jan Hus a separated brother?

Interesting views. To me as an outsider it sounds that to be a Christian sounds awfully wordy and full of mental assertions. I mean it is rare for a person these days to just simply accept an entire Catholic catechism. If we are thinking for ourselves why would we? When I go into a beautiful church it is lovely to see the imagery and light a candle; there is a peace there. But sometimes as soon as I get involved in heavy theological discussions it ruins it.

I think Trent's distinction between Mere Christianity and Protestantism is correct. Accepting just the core tenets mentioned in the video (Belief in God and Jesus as his Son) does not equal Protestantism. Protestantism is more than that. For example, the idea of treating the 66 books as the only valid scriptures is a Protestant idea. However, a Mere Christian could believe in the deuterocanonical books of the Bible whereas a Protestant would reject them. I'm not saying that all Mere Christians would accept all or any of these books but my point is simply that they could. So, that's one example that can show the difference.

@jackdaw6359

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN really makes you think doesn't it. A Mere Christian could even accept the SDA as a legitimate or illegitimate church with the same reason and love for God.

@Kristian-ql8zw

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN They could but once they did, they'd no longer be Mere Christians.

@Kristian-ql8zw

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackdaw6359 You're not getting my point. The point is a Mere Christian isn't initially bound by any other doctrines, teachings, traditions or books. However, if one accepts the SDA as legitimate, they would no longer be a Mere Christian.

@jackdaw6359

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kristian-ql8zw no, I understand your point. You made it very well.

@Kristian-ql8zw

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN What is your definition of Mere Christianity? My point is that Mere Christians simply accept the core tenets of Christianity. I am describing what they ARE while you seem to want to define what they SHOULD be.

I knew from my heart that Catholic church is the true church.

I’m glad this is on a channel with the word Christianity in why do other branches of Christianity sometimes do not recognize Catholics as Christians. Do they not known the history of Christianity?

Hey Cameron, I definitely recommend speaking with Dr. Jordan B. Cooper as you consider the protestant/catholic dynamic. It’s important that you consider higher protestant traditions that affirm and practice real presence, baptismal regeneration, and liturgy lest you associate those with Roman Catholicism by default

@clarissa7428

2 жыл бұрын

But regarding the Real Presence, not just anyone can turn bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ. One needs sacred orders, the laying on of hands, in continuity with the apostles to do this, so only the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Church's priests can do it.

@secundemscripturas992

2 жыл бұрын

@@clarissa7428 the power of consecration lies in the words of institution and the promise of God, not in some internal charism of the clergy

@clarissa7428

2 жыл бұрын

@@secundemscripturas992 Those are necessary but not sufficient.

@alphonsustheleast1537

2 жыл бұрын

@@secundemscripturas992 so I, a layman, can concentrate the host just by saying the words of institution? Also, did Luther not perform his own version of "papal" infallibility after he got rid of sacraments?

@clarissa7428

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUANwell we will just continue to disagree, since the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have never thought all sacraments are the same. Since they are different sacraments, they have different requirements. Why would we expect otherwise?

33:13 - Cameron doesn't think that Sola Scriptura is the essential doctrine of protestantism. I beg to differ. There are many Protestant who no longer believe Sola Fide (those Church of Christ guy, some Anglican etc). But none of them disbelieve Sola Scriptura. This is because Sola Scriptura is the most fundamental thing of Protestantism. We could say that "Protestatism = Sola Scriptura." All institution needs authority. Without authority there's no single unifying principle of that institution (that consists of people). Protestant denies the hierarchical authority of the Catholic Church. It means that they have to derive authority from somewhere else. So, voila, scripture. But in a sense scripture is quasi-authority. Because the ultimate authority for Protestantism is him/herself. It's his/her interpretation of scripture that matters. Scripture is the tool to justify that authority. It is to apologetically say "my authority is not myself but the word of scripture" tho in reality his/her authority is himself/herself.

@Justas399

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think he understands what the doctrine of Sola Scriptura means.

@lpadron13

2 жыл бұрын

The Catholic Church derives its authority from Scriputre too, y'know. Both are doing the same thing. The difference is that many of us believe the Catholic Church has no more ability to interpret Scripture than the average person.

@namapalsu2364

2 жыл бұрын

@@lpadron13 Nah. The Catholic Church derives its authority from bishops, whom derived their authority from the apostles, whom derived their authority from Christ. A book can't have authority. Authority must be given by someone in superior position, to otherin inferior position.

@lpadron13

2 жыл бұрын

@@namapalsu2364 how do I verify where that authority derived from?

@namapalsu2364

2 жыл бұрын

@@lpadron13 From apostles to bishops, you could check bible verse. For today bishops to the bishops who have their authority from the apostles, you see the history of the overal sucession. There are records of the succession of the most important bishops. Bishop of Rome, Bishop of Alexandria, Antioch etc.

43:28 I do agree that we should agree with Trent and we should discuss civilly. I hope I only dispute his arguments, not him

Realizing that Protestants have a lot of traditional misunderstandings about Paul has impacted a lot of my theology(though I am still a Protestant).

@luxither7354

Жыл бұрын

The best way we can learn from the Apostles is by their students. "By their fruits, you shall know them," as we read in scripture. Ignatius of Antioch, Clement of Rome, Polycarp, and a few others are good sources of what Orthodox Christianity really is. Saint Paul's letters, beautiful as they are, do not go into authority structure, doctrine, etc because they had no need. Everyone accepted that the Apostles had authority since they were the direct students of Jesus Christ. But once their successors had taken over, nefarious elements lead to minor heresies that needed correcting, ergo the letters. I recommend Ignatius of Antioch and Clement of Rome if you want a good idea on it, but don't be afraid to read from them all. Their letters are as long as Paul's, so they aren't going to set you back a month.

@KH-vp4ni

Жыл бұрын

See where the spirit leads you and be open to that path is my only advice.

I want to see Cameron or Trent interview Francis Chan and his journey!

@pianoplayer2260

Жыл бұрын

The Jesuits have succeeded in the counter reformation

I don’t care where Cam goes I want to know he’s saved

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him

@user-fq7eh3jz7u

2 жыл бұрын

@@applez3015 has the Quran been perfectly preserved?

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-fq7eh3jz7u perfectly perseved there is a Birmingham quran which is dated to the end of the Prophet Muhmmad peace be upon him , not only that there is an oral tradition of those that memorise the quran that goes back to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him .Currently in only in one Mosque in Pakistan has produced 1 million hafiz (those that have memorised the quran) in the past 3 decades.

@user-fq7eh3jz7u

2 жыл бұрын

@@applez3015 those 1 million are going to have to add 200 verses because that’s how many are missing

@applez3015

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-fq7eh3jz7u I am not here to debate , I have conveyed the truth. If you dont want to accept it then no one can force you. You know there is only one creator that this nothing like the creation and he is the only worthy of worship and not any man , animal or rock

As an anabaptist who doesn't think that they are protestant or catholic --and many of us feel this way-- I think that we need to work out what precisely Protestantism is. The 5 solas, perhaps?

@lardboi5712

2 жыл бұрын

Baptist here as well and don’t view myself as Protestant or Catholic either.

“For that holy and prudent man knew that to admit the notion of piety is nothing other than that everything is received by faith from the fathers and consigned by the same faith to the sons and not our religion, which we want that leads, but more that which leads must be followed, *for it is proper to Christian modesty and gravity not to pass on his own beliefs to those who come after him, but to serve that which is accepted by his ancestors.* What then was the issue of the whole matter? What but the usual and customary one? Antiquity was retained, novelty was rejected.” -St. Vincent of Lerins