Thank you for reviewing the CSL DD, Laurence. We’d like to highlight that we currently offer the CSL DD (5Nm) and (8Nm) at a reduced price. The CSL DD is now 199.95€ when paired with any Steering Wheel and any Pedals. The "CSL DD (8 Nm)" also has 50€ off the Boost Kit, so that is now 299.90€ when paired with any Steering Wheel and any Pedals. Greetings, your Fanatec Team

@StickyGeko

11 ай бұрын

I picked up the 5nm, McLaren wheel, LC pedals, ment to arrive today

@TJBPlayz

11 ай бұрын

Will we get a fanatec csl dd 2 in the next year or so? as this wheel is a few years old now it would be really cool to see a new one

@TJBPlayz

11 ай бұрын

I don’t think it’s a question that many people have asked though I was just wondering

@michaeltrivette1728

11 ай бұрын

I was gonna but you're website was so clunky I spent $1600 with Simagic instead. Sorry

@tonyf9076

11 ай бұрын

@@StickyGeko got yours yet? Had mine for 2 weeks and love it !!!

Great honest review, thank you! I've had no issues at all with my 2 year old 8nm CSL DD and the support with other items has been great.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Nice! Yeah there are loads of great stories but people are almost shamed out of telling people that they like the Fanatec products.

@stalinzd2580

11 ай бұрын

Yeah me neither. Read a lot about bad support, but it took them 3 hours to reply, and 1 day for the return label for the RMA. Even the delivery took 1 day

@nikosfotidas8543

10 ай бұрын

​@@LaurenceDusoswa Fanatec is just like every other company. Sometimes they mess up... Just like everyone else... But people love to trash popular brands when they find out about the cases that went bad

Thanks for the review man ! You helped me decide on If I want to buy it

@LaurenceDusoswa

27 күн бұрын

Awesome ❤️

The most honest sim racing reviewer out there IMO. Thank you Laurence!

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

I try to be honest and there are others who are also honest. Sometimes also we can think that people aren't being honest when their views or experience is not the same as ours. I appreciate the kind words and that you took the time to comment

When I first got into sim racing I always wanted to own a Fanatec wheel setup but couldn't afford them. It's sad that now that I can afford one, they don't offer wheel bases with the price to performance to match my needs. I do hope they can figure the market out and make something that makes a big splash in the market. The CSL DD was just that when it came out but the competition has caught up and they need to do something to put their name back on top. Great review as usual LD.👍🏿

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Thanks so much. Great comment too. Good food for thought. I hope they come out with something exciting soon

@oppos727

8 ай бұрын

What other options should I be looking at as a complete beginner who's seeing a ton of recommendation to go with it? Something from Moza?

@arg_9584

7 ай бұрын

@@oppos727 I would recommend moza or fanatec depending on your budget. I've been using a logitech g920 since 2020 and after researching direct drive and load cell pedals for the last few years I prefer moza for their wheel bases and wheels. However, Fanatec’s Clubsport Elite Pedals V2 are great for the price and performance. It's 200 bucks cheaper then moza’s best pedal set, but in my opinion is better in performance. I chose the Moza GS GT wheel for $470 ( I got it for $400 on black Friday) and felt like it was better compared to Fanatec’s slightly smaller and older Clubsport Steering Wheel Formula V2.5. The Formula V2.5 is $350 and if you want dual clutch paddles (Note they come stock on the GS GT wheel) it will cost an extra $180, bringing the total to $530 before taxes. Meanwhile, fanatec’s higher-end wheelbases (8nm-15) are way overpriced in comparison to Moza’s offerings. Moza’s 9nm wheelbase costs $440, compared to Fanatec’s 8nm wheelbase which costs $600. Then, Moza’s 12nm wheelbase costs $590 compared to Fantec’s own 12nm costs $700. The only reason I’d consider going with Fanatec is their larger ecosystem, brand recognition, and their experience in the industry. However, in the few short years Moza has been in the sin racing community, they have proved themselves a serious contender to an industry leader like Fanatec.

@thedude4795

5 ай бұрын

so what did you buy instead? logitech driving force?

Great review Laurence, thank you very much. I'm pretty much sold on getting the CSL and i was looking exactly at those two wheels, one for GT (ACC and so on) and one for more general purpose.

@LaurenceDusoswa

10 ай бұрын

You can’t go wrong. It’s a great price point and I thoroughly enjoyed this combo.

Excellent review once again Lawrence think you hit the nail on the head with the Build quality and Fanatec having catch up with different DD strenghts. For these reasons that why im swaying towards the Asetek La Prima bundle. Hurry up and get that reviewed please ! Keep uo the top work 👍

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Hahaha I hope to have a video on that next week some time :)

@kevinmurray1764

11 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa Top Man ! Looking forward to it 😁

@nikosfotidas8543

10 ай бұрын

​​@@kevinmurray1764I just bought a CSL Dd 8Nm and I'm gonna tell you this. Asetek's La Prima is great but not worth twice the price. It's something like 2-5% better experience for 100% more money. In my humble opinion, Fanatec has literally crushed the market with the recent pricing of CSL DD. 8Nm for 500€? Sorry but nobody can beat that...

To be honest I'm holding off on upgrading to the 8nm. I was surprised at just how stout 5 nm felt to me in ACC, but I'm a newbie so it'll take me a while to get a more refined feeling for it.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Yeah people love chasing the numbers. But honestly if you are feeling what you need to feel, the rest is diminishing returns. Your comment will help some people to make up their minds. Thanks!

@L3nny666

11 ай бұрын

yeah, as i don't have a rig and use the table clamp instead, the 5nm is the better option for me as well at the moment

@user-hk3iw5qu1r

11 ай бұрын

@@L3nny666 I use 8nm with table clamp, totally work fine (wood table)

@L3nny666

11 ай бұрын

@@user-hk3iw5qu1r yeah it "works". But even with 5nm my whole desk is shaking when i make a steering correction. Maybe I would get the 8nm to have better steering lock and just dial the ffb effects down a bit.

@sportschool3537

11 ай бұрын

@@L3nny666 You need a nice heavy table then... I use mine on my work desk that is heavy af and loaded with lost of stuff... so no matter what that poor FFB tries to do to move it, this this ain't moving a bit... to make you understand, if I want to lift the legs of the desk from the ground I need to pull HARD and that's just to lift it a few inches... My screen isn't even wobbling at all when I race ... so yeah, 8Nm FFB works fine with table clamp IF you have a good, thick and heavy table... and definitely not something from IKEA... those things are light and flimsy af...

This is the best review of the CSL-DD and these two steering wheels. The only thing I'll say about getting the metal QR1 over the plastic QR1L is, the metal quick release does not degrade over time. In the year I had both wheels and the plastic QR1L, I had to stop using the McLaren wheel in fear of the QR1L breaking and taking my wheelbase and steering wheel with it. I ordered a metal QR1 and was lucky enough to win the Fanatec QR tolerance Lottery. The QR1 I go has absolutely no slop at all. Its rock solid. Eventually my confidence with the WRC's QR1L faded, and I began feeling excess slipping and hearing noise from the QR. I got another metal QR1 but wasn't so lucky with the lottery. The QR has a hair of play, and does make chattering sound when the FFB is intense, but it is still 1000% more sturdy than the plastic QR1 it replaces. Other than this, your review is pretty much my sentiment on the products, Fanatec, and what I think the company needs to do. Hell of a review, sir!

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Interesting! I used mainly the plastic QRs and the guy who owns them (Milex in my community) had been using them for the past 1.5 years. Absolutely 0 issues for me. So I guess the take away from it is that there may be differences in batches? I dunno

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Excellent comment by the way ❤️

It's good to see competition against Fanatec in the wheelbase market. I was set on Fanatec for a long time, but the dealbreaker for me is locking their FFB behind their own wheels or (expensive) wheel hub. There's also extensive complaints against their QR, and wait times on support, which doesn't help. For the asking price, I would rather look elsewhere even if that means saving for longer and jumping up a price tier for a higher quality of product.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

thanks for the comment. It will help others to make up their minds too

@nikosfotidas8543

10 ай бұрын

Dude, I just bought a Csl DD 8Nm coming from a T300 and this thing is amazing... I've learned more about my car's setup on ACC driving the CSL for 3 hours than in a year with the T300. For the price this is complete robbery... Say what you want about Fanatec but CSL DD is smooth and quiet as hell and with 8Nm it is absolutely perfect in terms of strength at 100% torque. Sorry but I'm not gonna give twice the money to Asetec for a 2% better product, thank you very much...

I have been a G29 setup racer for years, got bored of it on and off. Never got really excited for sim racing as flight sims are my main passion. The wife gave the nod when the ready to race bundle came out and here in the UK I grabbed the BMW wheel, 8nm upgrade csl dd and the wife added a McLaren GT3 wheel in the cart for me. At 58 I’ve found what it seems is a main second passion. For newbies the csl dd is a fantastic entry into the world of damn good sim racing. My tuppence worth. Thx for the vid mate. Edit* ohhh and new sub 😊

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the sub and the great comment! If you're not in my discord, you should join. We have people of all ages and our average age is mid to late 30s.

@tonyf9076

11 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa Just this second joined 👍

I own CSW 2.5 since for ever and I tried this DD in the SimShow at Nurburgring for the first time. It did not convince me to fork out money for it. I am super happy with 2.5 and would only upgrade if it dies or my older son is in to simracing soon. Nice review

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Yep I said similar in this review. There’s no need to upgrade from a v2.5

@aaaaaaab11

9 ай бұрын

Same here i will run it till the belts fall lol

Great review as usual!

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for the kind words ❤️

I was on the fence about this exact bundle and wheel with v2 pedals vs Moza r9 and S-RP pedals. I think me being in the US will influence my decision for Fanatec as well. That being said I do think Fanatec is ramping up and new products are on the way. All these deals to get rid of stock and hopefully put the money into and R&D and new products. They are now the official partner of GT7 as well so they will be coming out with more GT spec rims. All in all I feel like we will see their next gen sometime next year spring. With a heavy emphasis on entry and mid level.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

I can’t see Fanatec coming out with anything revolutionary any time soon. I hope I’m wrong.

@WalkingLegacy

9 ай бұрын

I'm intrigued at the quality Moza is getting called out for (good quality) but I don't like their wheels, and the pedals I want are the Fanatec Elite pedals. Just getting into the sim setup for Forza Motorsport on PC.

I have this with the boost kit. Best wheel base I’ve ever had. I do recommend the QR1 as well. Use the WRC wheel and an SHH shifter

@LaurenceDusoswa

8 ай бұрын

Nice

7:00 not sure this was a feature issue at the time of footage capture Lawrence, but profile saving happens over on the "Game Profile" tab in Fanalab (on the right end of the submenus) and thanks to more recent versions including profile auto-loading based on car and sim, it's a very good spot to get acquainted with!

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

I did have a play with that yeah :D My issue was that I sometimes drift and sometimes grip in AC. And my settings for AC grip are usually the same as iRacing and ACC.

had mine since release. just upgraded to the QR2, it's still an amazing base

@LaurenceDusoswa

6 ай бұрын

Yep I really like it

Nice one Laurence!

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Cheers! Thanks for the comment!

I just ordered the CSL DD 8nm with McLaren GT3 wheel and CSL elite V2 pedals. They have such a no-brainer deal right now. I own a t300 with Clubsport v3's and I'm seriously thinking of selling those V3's and going for the V2's in my rig. Can't wait!

@dystopia_lp

9 ай бұрын

I ordered almost the very same as you did. I´m coming from a T500. How ist your experience with the new CSL DD 8nm so far?

@ImLehwz

3 ай бұрын

How is it?

Hahaha love how the advantage of the push pull shifter on the McLaren V2 is the fact you can have a drink on the straight. Like a shifter would stop you😝

@fleamcbaggins3087

11 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Trust the review process bruh 😂😂😂

I've just added the QR2 to my 8Nm DD Pro wheelbase and CSL WRC rim and it really has taken things up another notch. I think the QR1 lite itself as well as the sloppy interface with the base-side QR1 was dampening some details. The whole setup feels more alive with QR2.

@LaurenceDusoswa

8 ай бұрын

That's great to hear!

Csl dd owner here. Have the wrc wheel with plastic qr. After about 3 weeks of use the wrc wheel has connection issues that are caused by the plastic qr slipping on the shaft. Edit: also the qr collar sticks and takes an exorbitant amount of force to undo after use.

@interestingvideos4046

11 ай бұрын

That's the exact bundle I want to order. Are you eligible for a refund ? What would you do differently if u were in my position

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

ah that's a pity :( it seems their quality is all over the place

Agreed I'm still on an old CSR Elite (2013) and do not want to upgrade until Fanatec launch a reasonably priced 12nm DD base, round leather wheel wheel and QR2.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

upgrade when the time is right ;)

Even though I am not looking for the new wheelbase but I watched that video with pleasure. CLS DD has had a lot of the praise when it was launched and it is really good to see long term review how this product compares to the competition. Out of curiosity - is the garbage collector included in the video at 11:00 an intentional pun? 😅

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

hahaha you're not the first to say it :D But I loved the CSL DD so no bad words about it from me

I have it already and i am happy with it. Use the most times 5-6 nm and only in strong open wheeler the full 8 nm. AC ingame FFB at 50% and the most cars at 100% +-25%. I use the base with the Clubsport RS Wheel and the Formula 2.5, depends on car. The combi with the V3 Padals is awesome and overall enough with my Next Level Racing Wheelstand 2.0. Still use the Office chair hanging in. All stable. Use the 37.5" screen with an arm to switch easy between desktop and racing mode. :)

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Awesome great comment! Thanks!

@richardlee846

10 ай бұрын

I have the same two wheels plus 3 others. My favorite wheel is definitely the clubsport RS with leather. I hardly ever change it out, wish I had the advanced paddle shifters for it. Great wheel for everything!

I just bought this exact same set-up with the CSL Pedals on black friday deal shipped for less than $750. Now it is the 5nm version but I will upgrade the power supply at a later date.

@LaurenceDusoswa

6 ай бұрын

Awesome! Yeah the option to upgrade is great. Congrats!

Thanks for this great review. Is the "CSL Steering Wheel P1 V2" steering wheel the same as the WRC wheel but without the Alcantara and with a different color scheme?

Thank you for the review Laurence, would you recommend the Fanatec or the Moza ecosystem at the moment?

For me the qr1 was a huge improvement over the light. FYI there’s an electrical tape mod you can do to help with play on qr lite.

@LaurenceDusoswa

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I heard about it but didn’t feel that I needed it

just got the ready to race bundle with wheel base (5nm), mclaren wheel and pedals for 479€...what a steal compared to last year's prices!!!

@interestingvideos4046

11 ай бұрын

How has your experience been? How are the pedals

@L3nny666

11 ай бұрын

@@interestingvideos4046 very good. I‘m addicted! Really no negative experience. Except for that I’m doing nothing but racing now. The table clamp is not that nice. I really like the pedals. As I don‘t have a rig, load cell pedals would be way too hard anyways. And the brake has some rubber thingy so the brake feel is still progressive and not linear. The mclaren rim is great especially for racing, but you can only turn it 180 degree in each direction, more feels very wrong. So for cruising I will definitely get a round rim, maybe the p1 v2. The 5nm are plenty enough, only when it comes to steering lock, I’d wish there was more of a clear end. I upgraded from a controller so the step up is out of this world. I once rented a thrustmuster t300 for a month, but that thing was very disappointing, can’t even compare.

@interestingvideos4046

11 ай бұрын

@L3nny666 I appreciate your lengthy response. I like hearing about all the little details. You should consider doing a youtube review. I only have brief forza horizon xbox controller driving experience and dont know how to drive in real life . I was thinking of getting the WRC wheel for formula 1 or dirt rally with the csl dd and the pedals so I can practice till I can learn to drive in real life . But wasn't certain about the pedals being good enough so thanks.

@L3nny666

11 ай бұрын

@@interestingvideos4046 well, i think formula 1 is very far away from real driving. if you want to practice for real life (I assume street car cruising through the city) play beamng drive, not formula 1. And if you are driving on track a wheel won't help you with track knowledge. In general I find the pedals top be much closer to a normal street car than for example the pedals that came with the thrustmaster.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

AWESOME

Outro music is bangin.

@LaurenceDusoswa

10 ай бұрын

hahah thanks

Hii ! Great video...Just need a suggestion...I wanna buy my first wheelbase,Should i go for the G29 or G923 which are both around 250 Euros or the CSL DD bundle 5Nm for 400 Euros...Is it worth the difference?

Just spent $2,800 on a Fanatec setup and Trak Racer TR160 with the seat! Can't wait! 💪

@LaurenceDusoswa

9 ай бұрын

Nice! Did you get a chance to use my (or other content creators’) affiliate links? No worries if not :)

@ericmoney9734

9 ай бұрын

@LaurenceDusoswa I did not! I saw this video after. I'd have used the link for sure. 😫

@LaurenceDusoswa

9 ай бұрын

@@ericmoney9734 absolutely no issue :) glad my video(s) helped. Enjoy your epic setup

After seeing this, i am very happy i whent for the moza r12 with the ks and cs wheel

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

NICE! are you enjoying it?

@remcodendulk4699

10 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa i like it very much its great for my use . i really like the ks wheel that wheel is just so good . the main reasons i went for the moza ecosysteem is support and price . and of simagic the price of the round wheels were to expensive for my use .. and i didn't like the openwheels of simagic .. the only wheel that i liked whas the GTC Wheel. the average price of the simagic wheels for me are 600 eu

Was looking at the CSL Bundle and the Moza R5; got the R5. First setup.

I picked up the CSL with the formula 2.5 wheel , the Elite 2 pedals and the 8nm booster …. All of that with shipping etc for 588 bucks. Black Friday and some sneaky stuff. 🕺🕺🕺

@SticksAandstonesBozo

7 ай бұрын

Oh and I got the qr1’s for free as well

@LaurenceDusoswa

7 ай бұрын

YESSSSS

I'm good. I had one for about a year. It had the dreaded input shaft problem, where the USB port to the shaft would disconnect, and cut the power to the steering wheel, and FFB for a split second. Lost so many races because of that silly hardware design. Besides the fact that the torque collar on the input shaft doesn't keep it torqued down well either. I gave Fanatec a solid chance, and bought several replacements, before moving to Moza.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

That’s a massive pity :( it’s crazy that it happened to you several times too.

@SturdivantRacing126

11 ай бұрын

@LaurenceDusoswa Yeah, man. I really tried and I trouble shot everything. Bought two seperate Formula wheels, in case it was a wheel issue vs the base, got a aftermarket column stiffer and new clamp on the input shaft. Tapped the column in to make sure it was snug, the list goes on. But I could 100% repro the issue for people and it made things not fun. It's a shame, because the pricing and the form factor made so much sense, but I had such an issue with Fanatec quality, doing the sole thing the wheel base was designed for, I had to switch brands.

Any plans to review the SimMagic P1000s with haptics? Very interested in the purchase, but difficult to get a good review atm, thanks.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Yes! They are in the post

Laurence, did you use it in PC Mode (red light) or PC compatibility mode (yellow light) for Assetto Corsa Comp?

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

I know I switched between them at times but I think I just used PC mode

Great review 🔥

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

thanks so much for the motivating comment

Unrelated, but what game & track is that at 6:45 (when you were drifting with the WRC rim?)

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

that's assetto corsa and that was proving ground :D

Great Review!

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Thanks bro!

Upgrading from a Logitech G923. Currently trying to decide between this, Moza R9 or a simagic alpha mini. I know the simagic will cost more but I’m worried about the quality of the others. Is it worth the extra money in your opinion?

@LaurenceDusoswa

9 ай бұрын

The alpha mini is a lot better than the r9 in my opinion

@DylanBogusz

2 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa How is the alpha mini in comparison to the CSL DD?

What size and type were the screws that you used with the t-nuts under the wheel base? I just bought the GT DD Pro second hand and came without the t-nuts and screws. My rig from Simlab has a similar wheel base plate like yours (probably the same) so I would love to know to order the right size and type. Thanks.

@LaurenceDusoswa

6 ай бұрын

The t nuts are the hard part to get. The bolts are standard bolts. I dont know if the t nuts that Fanatec uses are a standard size.

@sonyx5332

6 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa Thanks, I just found out they're 40 series m6 x 8mm t-nuts or m8 x 8mm t-nuts for a tighter fit. Only missing the length of the bolts.

If I’m playing with the CSL on pc could I use a different brand shifter and hand break if it has just usb or will the CSL lock it to not allow it?

@LaurenceDusoswa

10 ай бұрын

You can use any mix of USB devices on PC. no hardware can stop you but some arcade games want everything to be connected via the wheelbase to it depends. Any proper sim title will not limit you in any way. wreckfest, beamng, dirt rally 2.0, iRacing, rFactor2, ACC, AC, AMS, AMS2 all work with mixed hardware for sure

With the new promo, I can get everything I need to make the jump to direct drive and upgraded pedals for around $1000. I want this to be my forever rig. I’ve been sim racing for about a year and a half on a G923 - will I be wanting more in another year and a half?

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

I can’t answer that question. There is better hardware out there. But I’m sim racing as with every other hobby, there’s a point of diminishing returns on your investment. Only spend money that you have. Ultimately if you upgrade to this setup from your g923, you’ll be blown away. And you’ll only get the itch for something ‘better’ when you have the spare money lying around.

@Wheelmass

11 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswathanks for the response. I have been thinking about this a lot, so I am content whatever way I go. I am definitely just looking for a fun, immersive experience. I am not esport driver!

@nikosfotidas8543

10 ай бұрын

​@@WheelmassDude, if you have the money just buy A CSL DD 8Nm. I just bought one coming from a T300 and I'm awestruck. This thing is a dream. FFB is strong and incredibly smooth, even smoother than DD1 and DD2 without the massively more torque that nobody uses (nobody uses DD2 over 40-45% torque). CSL DD for it's price is a dream come true.

Long Story Short - The Wheel is amazing.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed my time with it

love it great vid

I liked how you said Ireland time and uk time lol

@LaurenceDusoswa

4 ай бұрын

Just so there’s no confusion :)

Nice review but i'd like to have your opinion on something. I'm currently on the market to get a dd as i already have an awesome rim. So i'm comparing the fanatec csl dd 8nm and the simagic alpha mini. How do you think these two would compare as i don't care about ecosystem or any of their wheel addon ? And in my country the price difference is only 110euros between the csl dd 8nm + podium hub and the alpha mini + qr adapter. I feel like it's a no brainer to go the simagic way but i want to have someone's opinion.

@LaurenceDusoswa

5 ай бұрын

For me, Simagic is in a different league to the Fanatec gear. The new Fanatec ClubSport DD might be worth a look though. But you cannot go wrong with the Alpha mini.

Sold mine and went to Moza. No regrets whatsoever.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

oh nice, what did you get?

@ab8jeh

11 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa Actually only an R5. I'm not blessed with any space for a rig unfortunately so I have to make do with my work desk, so a really small wheelbase made sense. I found my CSL DD would flex and the table clamp was really awkard as I have to remove it every day to work. The quick release is just so much better also for the price with the Moza. When I got my R5, I found the force feedback - although not perfect - much smoother than my CSL DD with which you can kind of 'feel' the steps, it's hard to explain. Anyway I'm now going to sell my R5 for an R9 just because the V2 seems to have come down in price now and is still small enough to be practical. I have an arm injury so previously thought even that much torque might be too much, but of course it's all about the detail and I'm a little older and wiser now :)

It’s good this product exists, but I believe Moza or simagic is the way to go for build quality and QR. For xbox or PS4/5, sure..but if you’re on PC I’d go another route.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

If I had to choose between a moza r5 and a CSL DD 5Nm, the light round Fanatec rims would win my money.

@MrJoppashoppa

11 ай бұрын

how about the asatek La Prima bundle against the moza 12nm. About the same price with a decent wheel but the Asatek is way better FFB and quality then the Chinese one.

I’ve gone from a G923 to a SC2 Pro. Waiting for my rig to arrive but looking forward to seeing the difference. I’ve gone from a Mini to a Ferrari 🤣

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

holy upgrade path Batman!!!

What's the benefit of installing both pieces of software? Seems counterintuitive

10:58 that guy knows exactly what to do with fanatec stuff

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

hahahaha I knew someone would pick up on this :p

You should've covered fanatecs weakpoint, the very bad customer support and horrendous shipping time and issues. I got all my stuff that I ordered 1 month late and that is pretty fast by fanatec standards. And a lot of people get ignored by customer support and if they reply it's like 2 weeks late.

@hillboy2001

5 ай бұрын

ha you were lucky to get yours. I ordered my setup almost 2 months ago and still nothing. Had to file a dispute with paypal to get my money back. The only reason I considered them was PS support. Avoid Fanantec at all costs. Worst experience ever!

How timely is it that this video has been up for 3 months now and Fanatec just announced a new mid range DD base and the qr2 release

@LaurenceDusoswa

8 ай бұрын

Definitely worth looking at that as an option. I don’t have one for review however

@kerryboone6344

8 ай бұрын

@LaurenceDusoswa I'm currently looking to buy the 8nm DD with the McLaren wheel. I was on the edge considering the formula v2.5, but this video sold me on the Mclaren for shur, might upgrade later but for the dollar for value I can wait

06:55 You dont actually NEED two softwares, you only NEED the driver. FanaLab is optional if you want to save profiles for a game (or even for a specific car) with specific FFB settings or LED settings which can even be loaded fully automatic by FanaLab when you load a game or a specific car. Those profiles btw can be named however you like in the game profile tab where you save the profiles. Btw: You used a COMPLETELY outdated FanaLab version. 1.66 is basically ancient old. You should at least have used 1.69.7 for thiis video, or even better 1.99.03.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

This review has been going on for many many months, so some footage is super old. I did upgrade it and believe I was on the latest when the review period ended. I can check on my pc. As for needing two pieces of software, I probably wasn’t clear. I only used fanalab really but I’m not sure if you can uninstall the Fanatec control center without losing your device drivers. I didn’t try but that’s what I assumed.

@momorious

11 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa no, thats what I said, you only NEED the driver (aka Fanatec Control Panel). That one includes ther USB device drivers for WIndows. Without a driver installed, nothing works. FanaLab is the optional tool but imo this software one of the biggest selling points for Fanatec, so imo the Lab is also essential. :D

Love your videos! Which pedals do you recommend for max 600 euros I considered the HE sprint but 65 kg probably will not be enough for me. I need only 2 pedals

@danielmalka8884

11 ай бұрын

Thought about the venym pedals or the vrs

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Venym, Fanatec CSL elite v2, simforge, asetek forte. All great choices. I never reviewed the VRS pedals

@danielmalka8884

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@LaurenceDusoswa fanatec don’t ship to Israel, simforge is too weak(60 kg) and forte dan Suzuka said that they are actually potentiometer. Which is better venym or the meca evo? If the meca I’ll probably try to buy the hydraulic

I need advice please guys should i go for the Fanatec CSL DD 5nm without loadcell pedals, Thrustmaster T300 ferrari 599x evo edition, or Thrustmaster T248? Thanks I will read all responses. I have never owned a wheel and im super into racing games. My budget is about £400/$500/€460

@LaurenceDusoswa

10 ай бұрын

get the CSL DD, you'll love it. in a year or two if you can afford it, get the CSL Elite V2 pedals

@Steezy93

10 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa Okay thanks. All the reviews say the 5nm one leaves a lot to be desired but I can always just buy the 8nm upgrade later on as well eh

ive been struggling trying to choose between this and the r9. fanatec is cheaper for me coming in at around $800 ($770 + $25 shipping) with the csl bmw wheel (the all black one is sold out), csl 8nm, and the csl elite v2 pedals while moza is around $1000 ($860 + $120 shipping) with the r9, srp pedals, and the es wheel with the wheel mods. Is it worth the extra $200 to go moza or should i go the fanatec route?

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Based on your budget, Fanatec is the better option. the pedals are also superior to the moza pedals. (namely the brake). Ultimately though, you'll be happy with both. But if you want superior build quality, MOZA is the way to go.

Would you recommend this or should i go for the La Prima?

@Team_Reaper.

29 күн бұрын

buy la prima or i'll recco you to buy simagic alpha or alpha mini

This is a great choice if you have the ability to fix it yourself or have a good friend that can carry out plastic and electrical repairs. Otherwise stay away from FANATEC. I will go out of my way to warn others about the number of premature failures I and many others have experienced with the McLaren wheel and CSL pedals.

I ordered the DD CLS and pedals and the booster pack and it cost me an extra 159 pounds from the courier

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

159 extra delivery charges?!

Hey nice video but you need to start adding links for Canada just saying 😊

@LaurenceDusoswa

6 ай бұрын

Are there Fanatec links for Canada? I don’t think they have a Canadian site. Or do they?

if i have not got cs v3 pedals I would have gone for elites v2 pedals also i wish that they had clubsport version of the mclaren wheel

To be honest, if you're on a budget and you want a round rim, there is also the P1 v2 and the BMW rim. Those are of the same quality and functionality...

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Yep! Good point. I had been told that but couldn’t verify it myself so didn’t want to make the claims.

@EpicFatLip

11 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa Also, they're €60 to €80 cheaper

lesgooo

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Notifications squad!!!

I paid 100 euro and I do feel crap ever time I have to look for my hex key to switch wheels the QR lite is better but I got disconnect problems on my gt3 wheel so I paid the 100 euros I wish the screw was a thumb screw fanatec did send me a new QR lite free of charge and I've had no problem with the one on my p1 wheel

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Yeah the 100 euro for the QR is too much. Nice to hear a good customer service story too!

My problem with Fanatec happens to be one of availability. Given the company's reputation for shipping, buying from a distributor is pretty much the way to go. Guess what, there is only one distributor in Canada and that distributor, Simulation1, has a habit of specifically selling Fanatec products for way more than they are actually worth. The premium CSL DD Pro bundles sells for 1750 CAD. This looks fine until you take in consideration that a Simagic Alpha Mini GT1D Bundle, plus their P1000 Pedals, retails for roughly 1944 CAD. So for an additional 200, you more than getting your money's worth.

NGL I want one

@EpicFatLip

11 ай бұрын

Not the 818?

@fleamcbaggins3087

11 ай бұрын

@@EpicFatLip u tryin to *flex* on me 😂

@EpicFatLip

11 ай бұрын

@@fleamcbaggins3087 🤣🤣

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

It’s an excellent choice as a first DD and maybe even your forever wheelbase

100 bucks for their quick release is an absolute con, it's a terrible QR which unfortunately is a must buy as their plastic one is even worse and not fit for purpose

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

I found the plastic one as 'good' as the QR-1 for these wheels. I would strongly advise against spending the extra money and just enjoy it for what it is.

@WhippyWhipGaming

11 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa i had the plastic one on my mclaren rim when i had fanatec gear, i had to use pieces of paper as a shim because it would slip and knock otherwise, pure garbage, moza are putting fanatec to shame

QR lite ir veeery good, they need just make it stronger with metal and it will be very fast ant simple and cheap qr to use

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

I liked it for what it was

i have the CSL elite, and the DD only give 8nm compared to my current 6. I would love to upgrade to something that i can use for a long time and 8nm just issent enough. The Mclaren wheel looks really nice! But i don't want a plastic QR. Yes you can buy a metal one but its 99 euro. So thats 300 euro total. Then i rather but in another 90 so i can buy the clubsport formula wheel thats more high end. And even if i do so, the QR1 system is old and the QR2 is announched 2 years ago. The QR1 has some problems and i don't want to invest in an old system. And yes, fanatec has great deals! But always in a bundle with padels. I already have the clubsport V3's and they are fine. I don't want paddels. So if you already have a fanatec system upgrading to the CSL DD and all feels wrong and stupid to me. Release the QR2, Clubsport DD with 12nm or so... and make a good deel with some wheels instat of paddles.

@THESHADOW97139

11 ай бұрын

R12

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

check out the video i released today comparing 10-12Nm wheelbases ;)

They must have seen your review they are offering the QR for free when you order the 8nm base and WRC wheel lol i just ordered it yesterday

@LaurenceDusoswa

10 ай бұрын

Interesting! Yeah they did comment on here too

@valhallamobile7153

10 ай бұрын

@LaurenceDusoswa I own a small Mobile Sim Racing business, I do birthday parties, store fronts and business events. I look for ease of setup and use, I love your page

CRAIC !

Is the 8Mn worth it over the 5?

@LaurenceDusoswa

7 ай бұрын

Yes :)

@iDTecKt

7 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa What if im attaching it to a desk only lol, i dont have a cockpit

Please tell me, is it compatible with PS5?

@LaurenceDusoswa

9 ай бұрын

There is a PlayStation compatible version.

I just bought a g923 a few days ago , now im kicking myself not getting this especially that its discounted

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

You have consumer rights. You can return the g923 maybe?

@Joe.484

11 ай бұрын

return it - The DD PRO is miles ahead. Like astronomical far away.

@ccarreon

11 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa I should, but ive already opened and used it, and thrown away all original packaging

Highest resell wheel on the market .

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Yes, lots appear second hand. Same thing happens with phones, game consoles, cameras, etc. The volume of CSL DD units that have been sold is incredibly large.

@wallyedmonds8199

11 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa but With wheel basses you don’t see The others like sc or other good ones .

@SIMRIG412

11 ай бұрын

@@wallyedmonds8199because many people don’t have them and can’t afford them. Or don’t sell them because they are at top of the line.

Aftermarket boost kit is 45€

@LaurenceDusoswa

27 күн бұрын

Yeah I have no experience with them but there are people in my community who have it and like it

V3 bad pedals, beautiful but useless. The Load Cell pedal is so outdated. That yes, the $135 CSL LOAD CELL outperforms the V3. In V3 constant wedge feeling. It doesn't really matter if there's lube in there or not. CSL ELITE V2 needs to add a replacement spring to the gas pedal. And V3 will completely lose both CSL PEDAL and ELITE V2 WIN

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

yeah the throttle needs to be heavier on the CSL Elite V2. But I love them!

@irlantiisti2810

11 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa Yee

The v2.5 is not compatible with the the new qr2. Makes it hard to decide whether to go second hand or wait and save for a DD.

No shipping to Canada 🙄

@LaurenceDusoswa

9 ай бұрын

yeah that's a real pity

I tont have any play at all in my qr

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Yeah I think it’s a build quality thing. Some people have very little play and others have lots

I have the 5nm and I am not impressed at all. I’m looking at tiers sellers for a boost kit and might take the plunge to see what’s what, but so far, not impressed at all.

@LaurenceDusoswa

9 ай бұрын

It’s hard to know without diving into settings or knowing what your experience and expectations are. But 5Nm is definitely very entry level. 8Nm is 60% more powerful

QR lite is absolute garbage, had two incl replacement from fanatec when I complained, 100% you’d be able to tell the difference between qr1 & lite in blind test, and you mainly appreciate qr1 because it’s less shit then the lite. I can appreciate fanatec being of average quality compare to pretty much any other sim company but the new QR (whenever that magically appears) must be better and should not cost what it does, current price for what amounts to a aluminium sleeve is ridiculous.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Honestly, I can’t. And I’m putting my reputation on the line saying that. There’s every chance I got lucky with a good shaft in the base but I wouldn’t put my house on it that I could tell them apart in a blind test. I specifically tested that exact thing a lot over the last few months. I did many races with both. I agree that it’s expensive for what it is and that’s why I recommend to stay with the plastic QR

I’ve got no idea how people can think 8nm is enough to never upgrade again. I’ve got 23nm and while I don’t feel like I need more I definitely wouldn’t consider any wheelbase under 20nm. 8 is enough to be competitive but not even close to enough for realism.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Some people don’t see the return on the investment… it’s like how people with a 300hp car can’t imagine anyone needing more power.

@bobk4438

11 ай бұрын

Realism. That's funny. I'm glad I don't know you in real life.

@alecmillea4539

11 ай бұрын

@@bobk4438 lol why 😂😂?!?

@alecmillea4539

11 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa fair point!

do moza r9 and moza ks

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

I have an r9 review in the works still but I am thinking of concentrating on dedicated comparison videos

Its creaking cause you tested it with a plastic wheel

@LaurenceDusoswa

7 ай бұрын

The wheels themselves have a small bit of creaking even when not attached 😂

@williambrathen1721

7 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa yes haha, but it is a very good deal for the wheel even with the creaking

it brakes..

@LaurenceDusoswa

10 ай бұрын

some people have broken them yeah. But most are very very happy

Dont' buy CSL DD. The quality control is poor. I ordered the Fanatec CSL DD 8Nm. The first day while setting up the wheelbase, smoke came out of the wheelbase, then it's dead. Looking at the Fanatec forum, this is not a unique problem. several people have same problem with burned electronic. The support is slow. No phone to talk to a real person. Very disappointed with Fanatec.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

it's a shame to hear of the quality control. We need products to be of consistent quality.

Second

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

I forgive you :p

@AdhamHossam165

11 ай бұрын

@@LaurenceDusoswa next time ill be first

I can't believe you take expensive equipment out and about! People must be so confused.

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

Hahaha yeah I get crazy looks. But it’s a great way to get talking to local people who don’t have a clue about the hobby

Don't get it. Bad company, shouldn't support it.

@LaurenceDusoswa

2 ай бұрын

There have been lots of support nightmares in recent weeks :(

Nah, I'll pay a bit more money and get a much higher quality product from a company that doesn't have ongoing QA and customer support issues.

Gt pro dd is better being it works on PlayStation,Xbox and pc. Unlike this base that only works on Xbox and pc

@LaurenceDusoswa

11 ай бұрын

I didn't review the GT DD Pro though. I'm not a console user.