Just to point out pricing, availability, compatibility (console vs PC) and even specs are all accurate at the time of recording based on the websites shown, a lot will vary depending where you are in the world and what platform you are on... I can't cover every possible variation and option, thanks!

before i buy anything sim related i come straight to this channel lmao. these videos are so detailed and to the point good job.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Thank you mate, appreciated!

You can always count on Karl for a good honest opinion.

I bought a Logitech DFGT when it first came out in 2008 with PS3 and Gran Turismo 5. It was a lot of money to drop on a wheel back then and it absolutely blew me away. I kept that wheel and used it on the PS3, and my PC until late last year when I finally uograded to a direct drive wheel, so it lasted me 15 years of almost daily use. I gifted it to a friend to get them started in sim racing. I looked at Fanatec, Moza, all the other more expensive brands like asetek, simucube etc, but finally settled on a Cammus C5 due to its unique design, and the fact it was so easy to desk mount. I got one of the very first models in the UK (serial number is just double digit) and I have once again been blown away. Every firmware update adds something new, kmh/mph and Gear indicator additions, changing rev lights etc. The FFB improves all the time and feels every bit as good as its competitors. The wheel is rated 5NM constant torqu with 6-7NM at peak so there is enough power there for sure. I do wish they had gone for a round wheel design rather than the D shape, just for the rally driving and for those that drift. Hopefully they will find a way to easily change the wheel (Though not quick release) or bring out specific Formula type rims on the same hub design. Either way, I am once again blown away by the jump to Direct Drive as I was with the original jump to a FFB wheel. I didn't bother with the CP5 pedals are they do look a "Bit Pony" lol. I kept my T3PA pro's. Keep up the good work Karl.

I'm just editing a video review on R5 vs C5, the logitech killers, and I saw this and thought oh god Karl has done me! But yes I am amazed at the C5 for the price, I am worried the video will look like im a cammus shill (im not) but the entry level is better than ever by far! Great info as always Karl!

Got the Cammus C5 and LC-100 2 pedals. Not regretting at all 😎 Thanks for the detailed video👏🏻

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Great to hear!

Got C5 from UK reseller few months ago. Arrived in 3 days. No problems whatsoever since, upgraded the paddles right away though. Feels more rigid than any DD I've tested due to lack of QR or base. Looks a bit silly but that's a no issue in VR.

I shot for MOZA base (r12) and wheel (cs) and have found it to be spot on, can’t fault the quality whatsoever, and the quick release is perfect 👌👌 that’s something worth remembering that with the fanatec you would get the crap qr1 at that price. I did shoot for a used set of fanatec csl v3 pedals though after your review of the MOZA pedals wasn’t great, but they do seem to have an updated version out so hopefully the issues you found there have been fixed. They seem to be doing the right things and seem to be listening to the community which is very promising for the future

good video.thank you for your help.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Glad it helped

that setup is the most majestic thing I have even seen

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Thanks mate!

Another great video!

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Thanks mate!

hey Karl! New to SIM racing (GT7 on PS5( subscriber from the US and though i have dabbled over years, I only REALLY got into it a couple of weeks ago. Bought a used Logitech G29 for $100 US and it works... ok... but doesn't really feel like a real wheel. So when I saw that Fanatec had a $400 US bundle, I was quite excited. But then I went to their website and saw that the only PS option is $700 US, though admittedly a better wheel. I also saw a clutch pedal is extra. Not necessarily a deal breaker as I am using the paddles to shift as I am still learning, but I do come from a manual shifting and doouble-clutching background dating back to my Dad's 52 Willy's jeep, my cars from the past including 67 Austin Healy Sprite, 67 Camaro, and 70 Formula 400 Firebird. Unfortunately, it appears that the Moza and Camus do not appear to have PS5 support so my only upgrade path is to a Thrustmaster 300 or the Fanatec GT bundle. If its $400 for the Thrustmaster and $700 base for the Fanatec, it seems the Fanatec is my best route (as long as the wife doesn't know how much it costs.). Does that make sense? Any further advice would be greatly appreciated.

@KarlGosling

14 күн бұрын

It does make sense mate, console support is limited across the different brands so you have to so what you have to do!

It's hilarious that g29/920 is still holding up today xD Great for beginners and sufficient for most even experienced users in my opinion. On top of that, loud gears are an advantage as they sound exactly like my power steering in my corsa c for maximum immersion.

@KarlGosling

14 күн бұрын

hahahaha thats excellent!

My first wheel was the mid 90s with the original Thrustmaster Formula T1, and 2-1/2 years ago I bought a used T300RS GT with T3PA-Pro pedals. I bought a new Sparco P310 wheel rim, new TH8A shifter and new TSS handbrake. At the time, what I spent on everything, I couldn't touch a beginner DD base, standard wheel rim, and 2 pedals set for that same amount. If/when I get the time to use it more and budget, I would like to eventually upgrade to a full motion rig and a nice DD setup. But that is a dream and will not happen any time in the near future!

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

It's good to have a dream though mate! :)

The wheel won't help your lap times. Load cell and depth perception through VR has helped me more than anything. VR is a game changer. Dont forget, if you're on console only the majority of these direct drive setups are not available. You have to buy a 3k pc setup to use them. Monitor, keyboard, speakers.

You do have to remember with fanatec. In the uk, you will have the vat and Import charges to deal with. Probably closer to £500 all in. Hopefully with the takeover they will start stocking with retailers and save unexpected costs. I had the thrustmaster tx, just bought a fanatec csl dd with the loadcell pedal. I'm very happy with my purchase! Great video as always!

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

This used to be all included in the price but I've just checked and now indeed you "may" be charged upon delivery to the UK!

Dont forget that the Cammus has the DD motor in the wheel itself which is a novel way of doing it

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

It's an awkward way of doing it, how do you change wheels?! lol

@richardspencer4901

Ай бұрын

@@KarlGosling Simple answer is you don't, it's all combined

i got my moza R5 for 440 pounds on sale, definitely worth the wait

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Good price!

I bought the Thrustmaster a while back and there was still a big price difference between that and higher spec stuff. Good to seeing prices coming down.

@KarlGosling

22 күн бұрын

Definitely!

You always have some of the best takes on these things. IMO, the Fanatec is the logical choice. The price is right, and the ability to upgrade to 8nm at a later date for a fraction of the money it would cost to upgrade your entire base with Moza. And while i haven't used a Moza, I know that I am more than happy with my CSL DD, especially once i upgraded to 8nm. I guess that Fanatec bankruptcy thing kind of muddies the waters a bit, but I'd still go Fanatec. BTW, I'm 2 years into having my CSL w/LC pedals, and 1 year with my CSL wheel base, and have yet to have a single issue with any of it, and I use my sim gear A LOT, and I'm not gentle with it either. I treat the stuff like I do IRL cars when pushing hard, and it takes the punishment with ease. Great product, with an ecosystem that is totally unparalleled, at a great price. Clear winner (at least IMO).

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Thanks Burt!

@Invin_cibles

Ай бұрын

I have all three Moza R5, CSL DD 8nm and Cammus C5, C5 is stronger, more detailed and far more immersive drive than the other two. Its a night and day difference. I also have the R12 and when i switch to the C5 for a few weeks it is a very pleasant experience. Less powerful than the R12 ofcourse but enough power to not miss the additional torque. Selling the R5 and CSL DD...CSL 8nm was by far the worse of the three. R5 comes second needs a fair bit of fine tuning in settings, but leaps ahead of CSL DD in terms of power and detail. C5 has it flaws with the wheel being small and not replaceable, and the small shifters, but the power and the FFB detail makes up for it. I say this all when I was actually hoping for my Fanatec to be the better of the three, only reason I had the other two was because fanatec took months to deliver and in that time i found the other two for less than 350 collectively on FB marketplace! I will be selling the fanatec and moza, the good thing with Fanatec DD is the price will hold relatively stronger than the other two. CSL DD failed on two different points of the quick release, the USB C connection and the clamp interface, had to send it back twice. Pisspoor design with unnecessary amount of failure points from poor design. One sniff of a Moza quick release and you'll never touch fanatec again. The software has come so far that its ahead of Fanatec. Fanatec does make the best pedals out of them all thou, atleast at the entry level. I'm never selling my Elite V2 load cells, even though im on simjacks now.

the csl dd with booster pack i just bought for £394 including shipping obv depends when it turns up also when u make an account also gives bigger discount

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

I do at least think stock is getting shipped these days, even if it's not quite as quick as they say.

I use paddles for gear shifting but I still use the clutch for standing starts.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Yeah the 0.1% use case I mentioned mate.

i managed to snipe a Fanatec CSL elite (with BMW wheel and new CSL pedals) for 200€ - safe to say it feels like a DD (I’ve used some) great value for money and has served me well! Also look at the used market!

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Very nice!

Best is used entry level gear. Someone who tested the hobby and discovered it wasn’t for them or simply they want to upgrade to better gear.

@KarlGosling

15 сағат бұрын

Sure is if you don't mind used.

PS5 user, are any of these plug and play or do i need a computer to get it working? I'm thinking Logitech or fanatec. Damn those shipping nightmare stories though.

you need to check out simagic stuff

Finally stepped up to a CSL DD and formula 2.5x on playseat challenge x Logitech, from a TX on wheel stand and it's a big upgrade. Do you have a recommendation for a round wheel to add for WRC and road cars?

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Whatever takes your fancy mate, I run a Sparco R215 but it's up to you.

I started with the G29 and I'm still believe it's the best starter. it works right out of Box And everything just works. A year. Later I went to the c s l DD huge learning Curve had to learn how to tweak all kinds of things really complicated. Still trying to figure it out.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

To be fair even with the Logitech you still need to setup and tweak everything... but with so little power and fidelity you don't always notice.

@WalkswithMax

Ай бұрын

Many people have "upgraded" from a G29 to DD PRO and have never been able to beat their lap times set on the G29.

This channel is the shit!!! So informative for sim racers. I've brought the Gt omega Art from watching your videos. Got my fanatec gear gt DD pro and mclaren wheel on the way! Cannot wait to get it all set up! Cheers dude!

@giogamer4825

Ай бұрын

DD Pro 8nm was a good one, enjoyed it for some years on my Ps5. Good choice. You are going to enjoy it

@Florauh

Ай бұрын

I got the gt omega titan just because of him and it's excellent :)) great channel

@haraldjohansen1867

Ай бұрын

​@@FlorauhGot my GT Omega Prime and triple screen stand based on his recommendation. The Prime is absolutwly rock solid and the stand arrives in the next couple of days!

@mitchchapman7545

Ай бұрын

@@giogamer4825 nice mate! Thankyou!

@mitchchapman7545

Ай бұрын

@@Florauh a bit out of my budget that one mate :( but fair play to you!

A used Logitech wheel from fb marketplace is still the best value entry point imo, forget about brand new for your first wheel. If you enjoy the hobby then go straight to dd.

With T300 you are paying for PS support. Cheapest DD wheel with PS support is 700€. But yeah for pc users going for entry level DD is a nobrainer nowadays. Moza R5 would be my choice as long as Fanatec is dealing with customer support issues. I splurged and went for Logitech Pro. Absolutely loving the thing.

@VirtualRyders

Ай бұрын

I thought the same with the Moza R5 but I got the R9 instead with the better wheel. Omg I'm glad I did. That thing is stronger than I thought, like or can be a workout.

@AnomieDomine

Ай бұрын

For those with a PS4 or those who like to live dangerously on PS5, there's also the DriveHub. I've used it with an Xbox thrust master TX and a CSL DD (regular) on my PS5 with GT7

@MrCamel254

Ай бұрын

@@AnomieDomine yeah i thought about that but i like my setup to be completely plug and play and i heard the ffb is not as good as native support. So i went for the Logitech DD pro. Very happy with it. If i was pc only i would have gone with Moza or Fanatec for sure.

@AnomieDomine

Ай бұрын

@@MrCamel254 hard to say without having both, there are different compatibility modes, I think with full support the DriveHub basically tells the console you are using the equivalent gear - so PS5 sees my tx as a t300 and CSL DD as the GT version - if hardware is the same, it should be close

@jed2055

2 күн бұрын

@@VirtualRyders I chuckled when I read your comment. First time I used the G Pro wheel I was wrestling with it thinking man, this ffb is bloody hard work! What the hell is this set on, max? Nope, it was at 5.5nm. I think that will do me for now.

Heya. Great vid! I’m about to build my first sim racing setup, is the following fine: - fanatec Csl dd ready2race bundle, 5nm - SSH thorn shifter - the GT omega apex wheel stand to mount everything In the future, I may upgrade to 8nm, and might add a load cell pedal Note: I only play on PC, and I mainly play euro truck 2 Thanks for the amazing vid again!

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

I've not used a SSH shifter so can't comment on that but the Fanatec bundle is fine and I'd wait till the other side of the weekend as GT Omega may have a better wheel stand for the same money coming...😉

@MrOliverYTGamingandGiveaways

Ай бұрын

@@KarlGosling ooo okay! I’m going to buy things this August, so hopefully it’ll be released by then 😀

Hey, I just wanna ask for your opinion, what kind of set up and which wheel should I get specifically for drifting- should I get full setup(wheel, shifter, 3 pedals, handbrake)?

@KarlGosling

29 күн бұрын

For drifting yes definitely! Auto is no good mate and yes you need a handbrake.

Interesting video. In addition to the budget/technology analysis I would add some considerations about the cockpit where these wheels should be installed. If people install a wheel on a desk or on a stand, I would not buy a heavy direct drive (wobbling around), better a lighter logitech that has also very good pedals. In short, the purchasing decision depends also where the wheel should be installed.

@KarlGosling

29 күн бұрын

Not really mate, you can always down the FFB down to accommodate a wobbly desk but still retain the smoothness and detail a DD gives over the gear or belt driven options.

I think one of the most important aspects for entry-level products has to be upgradability. Fanatec clearly offer the best route. You can start with the 399 bundle and later add the Boost Kit to make 8NM which is the sweet spot for many. You can later add the load cell pedal, or probably you should start with this upgrade. Then you can buy other wheels like the McLaren GT3 which one of the best for the price. The other brands, you have no other choice but to buy a new base for full price. I know Fanatec have had their problems, but lately, they had big improvements. The only big problem I still find with them is the QR1. They should definitely switch all future purchases to QR2 automatically.

@azamat19

Ай бұрын

Compared to the cammus c5, the csl dd is not a good deal. The c5 doesn't have any flex and is solid as it gets. To have the same experience with the csl dd, you will have to buy the boostkit (then still you don't have the power if the c5, but very close), you will have to upgrade to qr2 and you would need to buy one of their better rims.... Even with the discounted price of 199€ for the csl dd, you will pay over 300% of cost of the c5. Fanatec however you look at it, is not worth it.

@AnomieDomine

Ай бұрын

@@azamat19 Fanatec offers better pedals, wheels, console compatibility... The C5 is stuck with what it is, including a flat bottom road car wheel that works but doesn't match the most popular racing divisions. It's not bad for what it is and it's cheaper, if you don't value the other factors Also you should check your math, the CSL basic setup is $399, with pedals and everything you need

@azamat19

Ай бұрын

@@AnomieDomine what??? First of all it doesn't matter which company you buy pedals from, you can just mix them. Lc100 pedals qre far superior to v3 pedals but i would just buy vrs or simagic p1000 pedals. 399€ set for fanatec is compete garbage. Need to upgrade to qr2 wnd buy a higher end rim and the boost kit zu be comparable to c5. Console compatibility... Well if we are talking about simracing, theres no alternative to pc.

Hello! I was thinking about buying the T300 RS GT Edition or the G923, but I watched this video and you really helped me consider buying a steering wheel and I have a question, is it worth buying the Moza R5 bundle for Forzu Horizon 5?

@KarlGosling

29 күн бұрын

These days Moza seem on their game, it's a decent bundle mate so yes go for it! Discount in the description if needed too.

@amiirr_

29 күн бұрын

@@KarlGosling Thank you for your reply.

Hey Karl, quick question, you have triple 55" monitors plus a monitor on your desk for editing, so you are running 4 screens 3 at 1440 highest settings for racing, and a monitor on your desktop running at 1080p or 2k. All off of a Nevada 3080 RTX? The reason i asked is, because I just ordered the DP to HDMI adapter and quality cables you recommended and I have 4 screens as well.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

My desk monitor is never enabled when I'm on my sim rig, I have a dual boot setup so load up into whatever I'm doing... Nvidia surround is way too much ball ache to setup each time I want to swap so this was far easier.

I understand this video is for beginner wheels, but I was looking into the Thrustmaster T818 and I was wondering if you recommended it? I like their selection of more realistic wheels over Moza and Fanatec and I know they have universal hubs for wheels, but I'm looking for complete packages I won't have to fiddle with.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

At review the FFB wasn't great, I don't know what it's like now though mate sorry.

i got an upgrade to thrustmaster txsw base from a logitech and it makes more noise then a logitech, the fan on it is so loud, has anyone else got this problem?

Hi Karl, I'm just looking to upgrade my G920 and my best option is Fanatec because of xbox compatibility but I've heard horror stories of people waiting months in other countries and poor customer service, are they any better at shipping to the UK

@KarlGosling

14 күн бұрын

It's still a gamble on delivery times from what people are saying in the comments mate.

what do you think about the maxx tech kit you recently reviewed for a beginner?

@KarlGosling

14 күн бұрын

If thats all your budget allows then it's better than nothing, I am hearing of compatibility issues on PC though (as I mentioned in the review with DR2.0)

And what about some adapter to use Moza or a Fanatec CSL DD on ps5? Any advice/review you can recommend?

@CJ-uh8bk

Ай бұрын

Drivehub, I’ve used it for my CSL DD on PS5 and it works great, it’s about £100

@supercededman

Ай бұрын

As another poster stated, the DriveHum is great.

i have had 2 logi g923. it's good if you don't know if you're going to be into sim racing or not sure how much time you'll invest. any dd wheel is def a great first if you know right away you're going to use them.

@eddtru

18 сағат бұрын

Unless you're buying your g923 used, there's no point to a non dd wheel in the $350-400 price range when moza r3 exists.

Except if you want to use on Playstation. Got a T300RS GT a few months ago, I do like it but I would love a DD. May look into a Fanatec or Simagic with the Sigma Cortex converter in the future.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Yeah consoles are more limited for choice.

I’m actually looking at buying the HORI truck wheel as I play more ATS and ETS2 as I’m crap at racing now. Wouldn’t mind seeing an honest review if possible (but not out till end of year)

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

I'll look into them mate!

A clutch is useful for race starts especially with iRacing adding a setting especially for starts. I guess it comes down to cheap plastic junk going up in flames . For me long term reliability is the benchmark.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

There's no wrong information, I quoted the relevant websites word for word (not specifying peak or holding) as it's a price comparison video not a wheel vs wheel video... it's up to you as the viewer to research and decide which is best for you also as I said in the video.

Karl which is the best DD wheel for the PS5 console? I got G923 and it is ok.. looking to upgrade the experience

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Whichever is compatible and reviews the best I guess mate, I don't have a PS5 so have no direct experience sorry!

For Fanatec you also need to account shipping which, at least in europe, is another 60-70 euros. For Cammus is even worse, shipping costs were as much as the bundle itself almost. These things need to be taken into account and talked about also.

@KarlGosling

25 күн бұрын

That is common sense mate and as per my pinned comment will vary wildly from country to country so is not something I can cover obviously.

You can't actually order Moza R3 bundle. As I understand it, they sent pre-release units out, but R3 doesn't have a release date. Anyhow, it's nice to see we have come so far. When Fanatec released DD 5/8nm, I was wondering if it's actually any cheaper to produce gear and belt driven wheels, or repackaged servo motors which are probably massively produced for other purposes too.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

The website shown says "In stock" mate, but who knows?!

@alpha007org

Ай бұрын

@@KarlGosling I'm from the EU, and I only see "Notify Me." When Will from Boosted Media made his big video, comparing everything, I think he said the same. Also, I haven't met* anyone anyone who have R3. *(discord, forums, reddit) Let's see, maybe someone will comment, and clarified the situation.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

​@@alpha007org the R5 bundle is only £50 more so thats another option if the R3 doesn't actually exist.

I'm going simagic eco system

the only reason to look at R3 is if you only play on Xbox , i got the R5 bundle for $720 CAD after taxes and was such a HUGE jump from my TMX wheel , works great on iracing and ATS . and its pronounced failatec 😁 sorry had to

MOZA is the only way forward, nice feel great build quality all round, m8 got a Cammus & it looks ugly & it Feels awful too & he said he wishes now saved alittle extra for a MOZA SETUP 😀

Good point Karl, but in my opinion the smoothness of a downgraded DD is a small difference that doesn't justify a doubled price and doesn't make you faster. If i could invest 200 extra euro I would choose a load cell set of pedals that makes you more consistent while driving . In my opinion....😊

@KarlGosling

28 күн бұрын

You can be fast on almost any wheel base (Logitech included), but this video is about what you might buy as your first setup for the same money not double or talking about upgrades like a LC brake.

cammus would ba a great value if they weren't charging like $70 or even more (depending on region) for the shipping...

really boils down to what level of sim racing are you looking for? Just a 'casual' type of experience or are you really wanting to get into this and experience as close to 'real life' as possible...or at least what you can afford and what money can buy! Once you figure that out then you have to look at what you're willing to spend and that should lead you down the right path! :-) As for how to say "Fanatec"...go w/the how Thomas said it..."Fah-nat-ick"...he's the one who started the company! :-)

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Yeah budget is definitely the deciding factor for most. Thats what I've always done but the the CMO said the other?! Fuxk knows?! lol

This puts thrustmaster in a bit of a difficult situation really. It kind of makes them irrelevant at their main price point which around 380 to 450 for most popular bundles. Logitech will still have the entry level market but everyone else should just go DD given the amazing deals on offer

Would it be worth selling my g920 that I got about a year ago to get something like the Moza R3, I play on Xbox and was wondering if it’s compatible on the F1 games as it doesn’t mention F123 in compatibility but it mentions F122 and 21.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Best to check with Moza to be sure mate.

@vinkobilandzic22

Ай бұрын

if it's compatible with xbox it should work with f1 games without any issues.

Most fanatec reviews are bad so im scared to buy from them now I know direct dive is the way to go but I was thinking tgt 2 with the loadcell peddels most fanatec I see is PC so I’m kinda at a lose moza 9 is strictly pc so idk what to buy I had a t300RS With the loadcell but the overheating issues killed my lap time

I’m stuck between getting a pxn v10 which is 180$ for me and the g29 which is 200$ without the shifter which one would you recommend?

@KarlGosling

5 күн бұрын

G29 All day long.

@dinvarr

5 күн бұрын

@@KarlGosling Thanks for your recommendation Looks like I’ll be getting the g29

Check second hand marketplaces for a G29/920. You can get good examples for 120-140. I lucked out last year with a G29 for £100 with hardly any use and 4 months warranty remaining. Yes, I'd love a DD model, but it's still out of my price range.

@KarlGosling

22 күн бұрын

Yeah used is always a good option for those who don't mind going that route.

As a ps5 owner my only real choice if I want direct drive is fanatec. And because I'm on a ps5 fanatec bump up the price .

@MrCamel254

Ай бұрын

logitech dd pro is there too

@supercededman

Ай бұрын

I have the DD Pro AND Logitech G Pro. Neither are priced as beginner wheels IMO, but the Logi is a far better package.

@daniellund6159

Ай бұрын

Logistics is £1000 without pedals, not what I'd call cheap..

@MrCamel254

Ай бұрын

@@daniellund6159 Yeah its more expensive but you have to calculate some further costs for the Fanatec offer. First of all to get a loadcell you have to put down an additional 129€, then for the boost kit to 8 NM you have to put down another 150€ (you can buy the chinese one but you void your warranty if something happens with it), then you get a really shitty quick release with the bundle so to get the most out of your fanatec wheel you need to get the QR2 bundle. Another 150€. If you count in all those additional hidden costs the price difference to a logitech pro set is shrinking. I paid 190€ more than the bundle i mentioned here for the Logitech one and for that i get 3 additional NM torque, trueforce and better warranty. Fanatec surely is more humane if you want to save up to slowly upgrade your gear, but if you have the money, Logitech is a compelling competitor imho.

There's 1 thing about Fanatec U never mentioned the Import duty.. that was another £50-80 on top if shipped to UK unless its changed in the last 6 month

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

I didn't mention it because that and VAT is included in the price you see on the site if you select UK, unless that has changed?! Plus tax, shipping etc will all vary for all products from all manufacturers depending where you are in the world, I can't cover every possible option.

Thanks Karl. But I guess if I want to go for a PC/PS5 wheel the offering will be more limited/expensive? (The Moza RX and the Fanatec CSL DD make it more affordable), i.e. if you want to go for a PS5 offering at Fanatec then you need to go for the Gran Turismo DD package right?

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

All these are for PC but yeah console options will vary.

Which Direct Drive can I use for a ps5

@vernonbrown5168

15 күн бұрын

Fanatec and logitech for direct drive

argos and amazon do the t300 for 250/260 all the time on offer. but anybody starting out should get a 2nd hand t300 from marketplace. £150 gets you a nice 1 and shifters can be £25. wont lose value when you sell them to upgrade or if its not for you. fana stuff has 20% tax at customs too.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Used is a great option for those happy to do that. Fanatec prices include VAT but not shipping mate.

@philmarsden9594

Ай бұрын

@@KarlGosling import duty i meant.

5nm csl dd... 8nm psu from ali express... thats the best buy/bang for buck.

Ill get r9 v2 with KS wheel (its the gt3 wheel i think) and the OG extension shaft by moza bc its twice the price pf the new model

@nativerezmedia

Ай бұрын

Don't get the KS, get the GT Neo... Basically the same price and you're gonna get a better wheel all a round.

@user-bp9oj5ly1k

Ай бұрын

@@nativerezmedia Thank you very much. But isnt the bundle with KS wheel and Moza R9 cheaper because its sold together?

@nativerezmedia

Ай бұрын

@@user-bp9oj5ly1k sometimes, but what's the savings?

@nativerezmedia

Ай бұрын

@@user-bp9oj5ly1k I don't believe there is an R9-KS bundle.

@user-bp9oj5ly1k

Ай бұрын

@@nativerezmedia Alright good sir thanks for your advice.

👍

Some wrong information here: C5 5nm is the holding torque not the peak torque. Cammus Claims 8nm Peak Torque where as Ron reviewt measured 9nm peak torque in his review. I have had csl dd with 5nm and later upgraded to the boostkit and got a simagic alpha mini. Now i use the c5 and i can assure you, the c5 is stronger than csl dd with boostkit. Even comparing it to the 5nm of the standard csl dd doesn't do the c5 any justice. Regards the ffb quality, cammus has done some updates to their software with filters and i gotta say i love the ffb of the c5. The only issue i have ever had with it in iracing is that the dashboard sometimes hangs for a couple of seconds which is annoying. But if you consider that i bought this new through their website for 270€ is just mind-blowing. Btw besides Ron, who has said the c5 is stronger than csl dd with boostkit, davecam has said the same in his review.

They never released the R3 so good luck getting one.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

It's showing in stock as you can see mate so you'd hope they actually have one or two?! But who knows? Lol

@robertcarr4172

Ай бұрын

Must be a mistake. It has not been released. Odd situation ​@@KarlGosling

@Space-O-2001

Ай бұрын

@@KarlGosling yeah they sent press samples out years ago to "influencers" but it never went in to mass production was what I heard

@Space-O-2001

22 күн бұрын

NEWS FLASH - Spookily they have finally released it this week looking at other KZreadrs so in turned out to be good advice lol

Until you start adding postage etc.. Only available direct from Fanatec in Germany . I've just paid £145 postage for MOZA (R12 KS wheel and sr-p pedals) No U.K sellers have them ATM.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

£145 postage?! Wow!

R3 still isnt available though, unfortunately.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

The R5 bundle is only £50 more so thats another option if the R3 doesn't actually exist.

I’m looking for my first wheel for my birthday and I can only go to £250 should I get the Logitech g923

@eddtru

17 сағат бұрын

No, find a t300/t248 in the used market for that price. Avoid logitech if you can, they are loud, and the ffb is not smooth.

@KarlGosling

15 сағат бұрын

New go with a G920 (not G923) used you can choose the best bang for buck!

Simagic!!!

@KarlGosling

27 күн бұрын

Price too high!!!

The problem I have is I’m a ps5 user and everything seems to be more expensive on ps

@KarlGosling

29 күн бұрын

License costs mate :(

finally someone who tells the truth 👍

You haven't mentioned turtle beach latest offering only thing against it is the price r3 will never come out never any updates on when it will

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Yeah I'd forgotten about that, but it reviewed horribly so probably won't be my first choice.

@mikeward369gamingnet

Ай бұрын

@@KarlGosling yeah at first but now its getting updates frequently so more games are supported only thing that stops me buying it is will there be othere wheels supported what the use of quick release if not a F1 wheel is a must at some point and needs to be sub 600 then it would be a good deal

I own an T300 RS, and actually use the third pedal a lot when driving rally cars. As a nifty, foot actionned handbrake. I have to install and remove the sim gear from the desk everytime I play, so the more "combined" my stuff is, the better :D

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Ah yeah in the small % of users who might want the pedal for something other than a clutch!

@josephboisselier910

Ай бұрын

​@@KarlGosling yeah totally agreed, a weird, very small bunch of "pedal-it yourself" guys indeed ;o) Thank you for the video btw, I lost my manners in the process of protesting against the uselessness of the third pedal without a shifter ! I always enjoy watching your content :)

Doubt if the r3 will ever be released. It's allready almost 1 year delayed since the first release date.

@KarlGosling

29 күн бұрын

Yeah and the R5 is only £45 more so may as well get that.

@benjamingesquiere6007

29 күн бұрын

@@KarlGosling only 2 bad that its not compatible with console. I had no choice then to go for fanatec otherwise I would've bought moza because of the cheap wheel mods that they sell. Maybe testing the moza wheel mods is a good idea for a youtube video?

nothing really close in price as a T300RS Gt for PS5. DD is much more

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Consoles are limited, Fanatec is probably the only option at a higher price tag.

@kylemanning193

Ай бұрын

@@KarlGosling Yeah it sucks for sure, and Sony is less friendly than microsoft too. maybe one day ill switch to PC

add another £100 ontop for fanatec for import tax

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Tax is included if you chose UK on their site (which I have).

There are more pressing issues, like DID YOU TRY SIMHUB YET?????? 😂

@KarlGosling

29 күн бұрын

lol No! I've been away on holiday, which is definitely a more pressing issue!

It's not the cost of the wheel as listed that gets me it's the currency exchange rate, shipping and import fees .... straight up rape if you live in Canada and alot of other places have it worse I've heard..

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Yup there is this for sure!

Only thing is the Moza R3 is MIA

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

The site I showed says "In Stock" mate, but maybe not?!

@robertcarr4172

Ай бұрын

@KarlGosling microsoft certification has not happened for some reason. No units have been shipped. Was supposed to launch months ago. It is bizzare as there are many people waiting on it to come out.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

@@robertcarr4172 ah I see! Well the R5 bundle is only £50 more so thats another option if the R3 doesn't actually exist.

@robertcarr4172

Ай бұрын

It appears that the R3 has now been released. @Neosphinx video might have helped (i was the one complaining)

To be honest you're forgetting the console users who are the people most likely to be on a budget, in which case the only starter wheels that officially support consoles are from Logitech and Thrustmaster. Sure there's the Fanatec gear, and also the Logitech DD, but that's going up in price, significantly in the case of the Logitech. If you're on PC then I completely agree with you in that it no longer makes sense to buy a gear or belt driven wheel. However that also comes down to availability in the country that you live, in which case Logitich and Thrustmaster are likely to be the only game in town, and then only offering their low end options.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

I hadn't forgotten but as you rightly say I was speaking from a PC point of view.

@davidetherington2567

Ай бұрын

The console market is completely under-severed by most of the wheel manufacturers. My first thought was that they’re missing a massive opportunity but my second thought was then “I wonder if the greedy console makers (both of them) are charging a licensing premium which means it’s not a cost effective market to properly enter.

@slaphead90

Ай бұрын

@@davidetherington2567 You're absolutely right. Both Sony and Microsoft charge a licensing fee for devices to work with their consoles. Also the device manufacturer needs to purchase authentication chips that need to be incorporated into device so that the console recognises the device as authorised. Then there's also the hurdle of actually getting accepted by Sony or MS. So yeah, I'm sure that for a lot of the wheel manufacturers it simply doesn't make financial sense.

Thrustmaster T150 all day.

@robertcarr4172

Ай бұрын

Ok then

The USED market is a great place to start. Plenty of people buy a full setup and just don’t use it. Sell off what you don’t want

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Certainly is if you're happy with used, can save so much money!

If only all this was applicable to Playstation users 😅

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Yeah console users options are more limited of course.

Fanatec is just such a long wait

@enzob95

Ай бұрын

That's not even true.

@SRS13Rastus

Ай бұрын

They have improved a fair bit recently, both myself and a mate bought the QR2, he did it right before the stinky stuff hit the fan and was waiting a month, I ordered mine about 6 weeks later and it was at my door in 4 days (they said 5-7 days), but, that's just 2 people though....

Man kids today are so spoiled with this equipment. I remember back to my old madcatz steering wheel that I begged my dad for back in 2000 or so. I thought it was so cool to be able to race with a “real life” wheel lol

@KarlGosling

5 күн бұрын

Things have really changed haven't they!

Cammus wheels are just ugly and not realistic looking. It's great to see direct drive wheels have all gone down in price. I already bought a Moza R5 bundle about a year ago and I'm totally satisfied with the quality and performance. Had a G29 before and the difference is night and day.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Yeah I agree... But they are very cheap! Lol

@pawelkusmierek109

Ай бұрын

they look bad, but because the C5 motor is in the wheel not in a separate base, in a beginner's desk-and-monitor setup the monitor can be placed very close to the wheel and the racer, which is good for FOV

Cammus doing God's work 🏁

ONLY CORRECT ANSWER: start with a G923 for your first kit if you are not sure how serious you'll take it or how much you'll play it... if you have more money AND SERIOUS to play games get a Moza R5 bundle. Anything after that level you have to have over $1000 USD minimum to buy each puece as a modular mix and match. You'll find NONE of the brands make "the best" at everything! There is no such thing as "the best kit" all in one package. Finally DO NOT BUY anything you're not prepared to lose money on or have a lot of time to put into and play. P.s. fanatec is bankrupt and will be bought out soon.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Mostly INCORRECT but cheers for your THOUGHTS! lol

@therealovidox

Ай бұрын

@@KarlGosling lol I'm right ✅️ 🤣 😂 🤪

Corsair.

This video completely ignores the used market... you can pick up a T300 RS bundle in great condition for less than £200 and imo that is still the best bang for buck deal. If you are on a tight budget, direct drive is just not worth it, the T300 has amazing FFB. You can also pick up better pedals like T3PA, where as if you go for Moza/Fanatec you are stuck with completely terrible pedals unless you want to spend a lot for the loadcell... really if you are on a tight budget a used T300 is by far best option. Also keep in mind Moza/Fanatec DD have a million settings that require fiddling around for each sim and ideally even each car which takes time and not something you want to do if you are pretty casual about simracing where as the T300 is pretty much plug and play there are only a couple of settings and they are basically set and forget regardless of what you are driving.

@KarlGosling

12 күн бұрын

Yes it does, well done... I was comparing brand new offerings. The used market is great for some, but also a minefield of wildly varying prices and reliability, not something I can confidently base a video on.

Karl, any chance of a review of the Brook Ras1ution and Drivehub compared to the wheels plugged into the PC. Some reviews say you lose much of the feel, others not, but I've seen no back to back comparisons from a trusted reviewer like yourself.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Hmm I'll look into it mate thanks!

I have all three Moza R5, CSL DD 8nm and Cammus C5, C5 is stronger, more detailed and far more immersive drive than the other two. Its a night and day difference. I also have the R12 and when i switch to the C5 for a few weeks it is a very pleasant experience. Less powerful than the R12 ofcourse but enough power to not miss the additional torque. Selling the R5 and CSL DD...CSL 8nm was by far the worse of the three. R5 comes second needs a fair bit of fine tuning in settings, but leaps ahead of CSL DD. C5 has it flaws with the wheel being small and not replaceable, and the small shifters, but the power makes up for it. Too many failure points and flaws with Fanatec especially around the quick release. Really poor design of the shaft it self, no secure connection. Weak USB c male port which snaps and damages the female port on base side - this happened a second time after fanatec themselves spec'd it up - quality issues are rising high now with them shipping out barely refined products that are coming straight off the manufacturing line. Being an engineer who designs things that get manufactured, you can really tell when a company is scraping the barrel. The funny thing is I ended up with the R5 and C5 on fb marketplace for 350 collectively while i was waiting months for fanatec. Now I will be selling it along with the R5 lol Fanatecs CSL Elite v2 load cell pedals are what they say they are...ELITE.

@KarlGosling

Ай бұрын

Interesting mate!