Why The Boeing 787-10 Isn’t As Popular As The -8 And -9

The Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner is the newest and longest member of the 787 family. The aircraft took its first flight on March 31st, 2017, with its first delivery taking place in March 2018 with launch customer Singapore Airlines. But with just 202 orders, the stretched Dreamliner variant comprises just under 11% of total 787 orders. Why isn’t the 787-10 as popular as its shorter siblings?
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  • @kylecampbell1444
    @kylecampbell14443 жыл бұрын

    The -10 was made for routes like Trans Atlantic, Inter Asia, and Europe to Asia. If you look at KLM for example the published range is the same as the 777-200. So KLM has being using it as a direct replacement in it system.

  • @doorknobflavors8887
    @doorknobflavors88872 жыл бұрын

    Is it just me or is 1/3rd of the audio is music

  • @BNU30C
    @BNU30C3 жыл бұрын

    The 787-10 will become more popular as more 777-200ERs reach retirement age and its economics become even more clear. Great aircraft for it’s designed application.

  • @hodb3906

    @hodb3906

    Жыл бұрын

    The 787-10 is underpowered with GE engines and has less range. The a350-900 replaces the 777-200ER more than the 787-10 does.

  • @zaijiancelis

    @zaijiancelis

    Жыл бұрын

    @@hodb3906 the A350 doesn’t have better engines, their range is achieved by their larger fuel capacity, Boeing can do the same with an additional 787-10 fuel tank

  • @dagoose.

    @dagoose.

    Жыл бұрын

    @@zaijiancelisso a 787-10er

  • @viniciusmagnoni6492

    @viniciusmagnoni6492

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@zaijiancelisWell, it does, it is both more powerful and more efficient.

  • @t1m3f0x
    @t1m3f0x2 жыл бұрын

    why does the audio just change to a guitar with no narration at 2:20

  • @zhiwoo
    @zhiwoo2 жыл бұрын

    There is a loss of voice over between 2:22-3:51 where a guitar solo is heard instead.

  • @akeemlawrence9750
    @akeemlawrence97503 жыл бұрын

    I LOVE SEEING A -10 ON A GATE... ESP W UNITED'S NEW LIVERY

  • @richardschenk4058

    @richardschenk4058

    3 жыл бұрын

    An A-10 on the gate would be amazing!

  • @keemy_28

    @keemy_28

    3 жыл бұрын

    I have never seen a 787-10 variants before only 787 -8 -9

  • @brickadance2965
    @brickadance29652 жыл бұрын

    What's about that music at 2:20?

  • @GH-oi2jf
    @GH-oi2jf3 жыл бұрын

    It overlaps the low end of the triple-7 in seating capacity.

  • @FS-me8mj
    @FS-me8mj2 жыл бұрын

    2:19 whatever the hell happened there

  • @edjeoranje4865
    @edjeoranje48652 жыл бұрын

    2:18 wth!?!?

  • @gyanesh97
    @gyanesh973 жыл бұрын

    It's not exactly an undersold aircraft. I would be tempted to say it's actually more popular than 787-8. If -9 came earlier than -8 it would have sold more than 1500 and -8 would have sold lesser than 300. With the replacement of 777-200 & 200ERs and some 300s coming up. I would say it's will get it's way into mainstream and get more popular. But it's still upto Boeing, with the quality issues resolved this would go long way than 200s, literally and metaphorically.

  • @tapaschakraborty8534

    @tapaschakraborty8534

    3 жыл бұрын

    The actual reason why the 787-10 is not as popular as the -8 and -9 is because 777-200 and er is already being replaced by the Airbus a350-900 and airlines does not need the 787-10

  • @gyanesh97

    @gyanesh97

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@tapaschakraborty8534 no not exactly! Type rating is very important. And those who ordered the 777, will go to Boeing and get steep discounts like that of UA, AA, KLM, air newzealand, SQ. And training is also cheaper unlike for A359 (an unbelievable aircraft, no doubt). That's how it'll work. In the coming years the probability of 351 to get more orders is also high than 359 because of replacing older 380s, 333, 343,346 and some older 77Ws. Can't conclude this before the aircraft is flying commercially for minimum of a decade.

  • @ShiroganeProduction

    @ShiroganeProduction

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@tapaschakraborty8534 your statement is simply untrue

  • @gyanesh97

    @gyanesh97

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ShiroganeProduction he might have opined that way. No probs in that. Everyone is in this community because they love aviation and travel and it differs with that. Peace out man. And his statement is in one way true because Delta replaced their 777-200LRs with 359

  • @aseem7w9

    @aseem7w9

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@tapaschakraborty8534 not true. Singapore Airlines, even though they are one of the biggest A350-900 operators bought the 787-10 specifically as a 777-200/ER replacement

  • @kyles.aviation6083
    @kyles.aviation60833 жыл бұрын

    Merrry Christmas Everyone! The 787-10 Is Acctually My Favourite Out Of The -9 And -8! I Luckily Flew On It With United From Dublin To Newark In January Right Before The Pandemic Started! Great Video!

  • @shywolfgames5782
    @shywolfgames57823 жыл бұрын

    Merry Christmas to the other side of the world everyone

  • @theflyingmylle

    @theflyingmylle

    3 жыл бұрын

    You live in Australia??

  • @rcprojects1229

    @rcprojects1229

    3 жыл бұрын

    You also have a merry Christmas

  • @tapaschakraborty8534

    @tapaschakraborty8534

    3 жыл бұрын

    Merry Christmas to you too god bless you

  • @user-dc4bl1cu2k

    @user-dc4bl1cu2k

    3 жыл бұрын

    Same to you bro!

  • @manjurao4722

    @manjurao4722

    3 жыл бұрын

    Same to you

  • @mann2520
    @mann25203 жыл бұрын

    Merry Christmas to the entire simple flying team who make these amazing videos possible

  • @hulklovesaviation7535

    @hulklovesaviation7535

    3 жыл бұрын

    Merry Christmas dude

  • @mann2520

    @mann2520

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@hulklovesaviation7535 you too

  • @declan-kayodekeegan1598
    @declan-kayodekeegan15982 жыл бұрын

    You mentioned at the end of the video a possibility I was going to point out, and that is the 787-10 could in time replace the ageing B777-200 while competing directly with rival aircrafts in the same category and passenger capacity. If Boeing"s reason for building the dash 10 was this, I think its a very brilliant strategy .

  • @AviationReviews
    @AviationReviews3 жыл бұрын

    It will get popular in the next few years I think . Nice Vid , Liked

  • @JorySandusky
    @JorySandusky3 жыл бұрын

    As the video suggests... just wait for the 772's to get a little older and in need of replacing. Common cockpit commonality with existing 787 operators, plus all the other efficiencies will make the 787-10 a hot one to buy/lease! It's a long game for Boeing IMO.

  • @frenchpaddy2111

    @frenchpaddy2111

    2 жыл бұрын

    the WHAT

  • @malaysia0013
    @malaysia00133 жыл бұрын

    Merry Christmas to Simple Flying and everyone

  • @Ananth8193
    @Ananth81933 жыл бұрын

    Merry Christmas ⛄⛄⛄⛄ to all..... Great video Loved it much ❤️

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    @rishiflying66863 жыл бұрын

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  • @Enthai21

    @Enthai21

    3 жыл бұрын

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    @rishiflying6686

    3 жыл бұрын

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  • @Enthai21

    @Enthai21

    3 жыл бұрын

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  • @greghuang2314
    @greghuang2314 Жыл бұрын

    I feel like the 787-10 is designed to fill a very different role versus the 787-8 and 787-9. While the 787-8 and 787-9 are usually deployed on long-haul routes, including many of the longest nonstop flights in the world, the 787-10 is clearly optimised for regional, short to medium range flights. As of 2023, most of the 787-10s in service are in East Asia, operating regional flights in the Asia-Pacific. It's basically the perfect replacement for the older Boeing 777 variants and potentially the Airbus A330 as well.

  • @SUSSYNEGGOR
    @SUSSYNEGGOR2 жыл бұрын

    2:20 At this time stamp, the music suddenly shows up, and I can't hear your voice or the music for some reason.

  • @jonathanb.1215

    @jonathanb.1215

    2 жыл бұрын

    same here

  • @SUSSYNEGGOR

    @SUSSYNEGGOR

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jonathanb.1215 could be copyright music?

  • @jonathanb.1215

    @jonathanb.1215

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@SUSSYNEGGOR idk seems odd that they music would cover his voice instead of vice versa

  • @SUSSYNEGGOR

    @SUSSYNEGGOR

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jonathanb.1215 that's weird

  • @marv6017
    @marv60173 жыл бұрын

    Merry Christmas world! I think the B787-10 still has a future and judging its popularity in such a short timespan is not fare. How many B787-9 were sold in 3 years? Also, remember the pandemic...airlines are rethinking their business models and when things go back to normal they might consider the 787-10 for shorter range/high capacity routes.

  • @Anonymous-tu4pl

    @Anonymous-tu4pl

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes the pandemic has caused many to cancel or hold their orders of not only B787-10 but also other planes

  • @930sim8

    @930sim8

    2 жыл бұрын

    You're absolutely spot on, the pandemic has changed the landscape of the business model of aircraft purchases

  • @HiSteOfMnd
    @HiSteOfMnd3 жыл бұрын

    That Hawaiian Airlines livery though 👌🏽🤙🏽

  • @Tampa0123456789

    @Tampa0123456789

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yup very unique.👍

  • @filledwithvariousknowledge1065
    @filledwithvariousknowledge10653 жыл бұрын

    It’s important to note the A350-1000 (which has had less deliveries than the 787-10) has an even lower backlog. Perhaps a video could be done for it too as I would that interesting

  • @SixFootScream

    @SixFootScream

    3 жыл бұрын

    Merry Christmas!

  • @filledwithvariousknowledge1065

    @filledwithvariousknowledge1065

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you👍 Have a good one

  • @adityavenkatesh4173

    @adityavenkatesh4173

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@filledwithvariousknowledge1065 The 787 program costs 3 times as much as the A350 program....so even if the A350-1000 isn't selling as well as even the 787-10.....Boeing has more to lose due to their massive program cost.....Merry Christmas by the way

  • @filledwithvariousknowledge1065

    @filledwithvariousknowledge1065

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@adityavenkatesh4173 True I’ve not forgotten that point with A350 program costing less. Thanks and have a good Christmas

  • @nntflow7058

    @nntflow7058

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's pretty straight forward though. The -1000 is a good replacement for B777-300ER. But many of B777-300ER are actually extremely young. There isn't any demand for it right now. The 2nd reason would probably because how many airlines now prefer to use smaller aircraft and focus on profitability rather than dumping discounted tickets to gain market shares. Hence why they prefer smaller aircraft now. I don't think it would make more than 1 minute to explain that. So I'm not sure how it would translate to a video though.

  • @Mike5890Aviation
    @Mike5890Aviation3 жыл бұрын

    Nothing can beat the Boeing 747. The Queen Of The Skies.

  • @hindustansocialistrepublic5545

    @hindustansocialistrepublic5545

    3 жыл бұрын

    💯

  • @thespeedypatriot6201

    @thespeedypatriot6201

    3 жыл бұрын

    Indeed, and then there’s also the 2nd best the 777, Prince (or Princess) of the Skies as I like to call it

  • @SkyRideTravis

    @SkyRideTravis

    3 жыл бұрын

    Except for a Piper Cub.

  • @alexnutcasio936

    @alexnutcasio936

    3 жыл бұрын

    A380 would have, could have , had it taken off in sales. Huge boondoggle. 747 was definitely the more successful of the two.

  • @andylie7699
    @andylie76992 жыл бұрын

    For me, the -10 is what the 787 should be. Such a nice airplane.

  • @eliott8551
    @eliott85513 жыл бұрын

    Let’s not forget the 787-10 is in direct competition with the A350-900, a very similar aircraft in term of seating capacity and fuel efficiency that came before the 787-10, and with a longer range.

  • @nntflow7058

    @nntflow7058

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's also have similar capacity and range as 10-abreast B777-200, which only sold 88 frames. So it's not like they have a market to begin with.

  • @mlr492

    @mlr492

    3 жыл бұрын

    It is and it isn’t a direct competitor. In terms of capacity the 787-10 can seat more. For example Singapore Airlines operates both types in a two class config. 787-10: 337, A350: 303. Range goes to the A350 with a max of 8200 miles versus the 6400 of the 787-10. An airlines choice comes down to their needs. Do they a super long range aircraft with more seating than a 787-9 but not necessarily the seating of a A350-1000, then A350-900 makes sense. Busier high density routes seem to favor the 787-10 where most of missions fall in line with the need for 3000-5000 miles.

  • @BUMA-jt2ie
    @BUMA-jt2ie3 жыл бұрын

    Merry Christmas and happy new year

  • @inomad
    @inomad3 жыл бұрын

    I love the look of the Hawai'ian 787

  • @whatever8282828
    @whatever8282828 Жыл бұрын

    I agree: The older short 777's and the newer (but few) long-range 767's still work, but will need a replacement before long. This is what it's for.

  • @arvindjijiantony4882
    @arvindjijiantony48823 жыл бұрын

    Do a comparison between 787-10 and 777-200

  • @911HRW
    @911HRW3 жыл бұрын

    It’s fascinating how the airlines know what routes they have, how many people they carry, how much freight they carry and the distances they might need to cover in regards to what planes they buy. Ryan air and easyJet’s model of all one make, makes it easy for pilot training, spare parts and across the board knowledge but then say BA with a mixture means if either make is grounded, at least they can continue operations. I’m still to travel in an A350 (I was booked on one for next May in the new suite but BA changed it to an A380) and the 787 10 that BA are having delivered.

  • @farangtravels3956
    @farangtravels39563 жыл бұрын

    Merry Christmas 🎅

  • @rel6438
    @rel64383 жыл бұрын

    Because of the short range. Air New Zealand purchase 10 I believe 787- 10 with extra fuel tanks for the extended range. Boeing was worried that the 787 would interfere with the 777 Dash nine and 777 Dash eight sales, and this is why they did not add extra fuel tanks to any of the 787‘s. Peoples Forget that the 787 Dash nine flew from Tahiti to Paris that was 9,765 NM with a 130 passengers and without extra fuel tanks So Boeing knows and will not announce the true flight range of the 787.

  • @sergiolaurencio7534

    @sergiolaurencio7534

    2 жыл бұрын

    Let be honest, you are true. A 787-10 with a long-range would be enough for dominating the market, but some things as this are something companies should think about and make decisions because as you say, it would interfere with the 777x orders.

  • @jhmcd2
    @jhmcd23 жыл бұрын

    Well, that was my explanation, the economics. They may have to develop an ER or LR version of it one day to increase the range.

  • @waltjie
    @waltjie3 жыл бұрын

    Merry Christmas! 🌲

  • @6z0
    @6z0 Жыл бұрын

    So the narrator just died mid recording or something

  • @alanbabu3101
    @alanbabu31013 жыл бұрын

    Merry Christmas

  • @bitcoin-investment
    @bitcoin-investment3 жыл бұрын

    Nice

  • @ConcordeError404
    @ConcordeError4043 жыл бұрын

    Can you make a video on Air India's bidding

  • @aryapatel1932
    @aryapatel19322 жыл бұрын

    Along with all the reasons mentioned in the video, it’s also because of the A350XWB, which was made as a competitor to the 777 series

  • @joechang8696
    @joechang86963 жыл бұрын

    aircraft rarely operate on routes near max range. in that case, any extra fuel capacity is dead weight, so the 787-10 will ultimately make sense. For now, airlines are probably just happy to operate fully depreciated 777-200's at higher fuel consumption versus a new 787-10 with depreciate cost though lower fuel. I imagine the 350-1000 will also do well in high density

  • @antonh1709

    @antonh1709

    3 жыл бұрын

    Unlike 787-10, A350-1000 is more capable and can do 14-15 hour flights, such as a Transpacific or a Trans-Siberian route.

  • @Tampa0123456789

    @Tampa0123456789

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@antonh1709 787-10 competes with A350-9 not the1000.

  • @_SP64_

    @_SP64_

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Tampa0123456789 A350-100 competes more with the 777 family

  • @BrySkye

    @BrySkye

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's not that simple. ER aircraft with higher fuel capacities also typically come with higher MTOW's. That translates to them being able to carry more payload when the tanks aren't full (which they seldom are in any commercial aircraft). That's part of why the 767-300ER and 777-200ER/300ER were vastly more popular than their non-ER equivalents. It's just more flexible. The 767-200ER and 300ER were transatlantic work horses, but were also quite happily used in the European leisure market where they would be half-fuelled or less.

  • @aseem7w9

    @aseem7w9

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@BrySkye one thing to note tho is that 777 300ER not only features a slight mtow bump but almost 100k kg more which is an extreme jump, includes aerodynamic improvements like wing extensions, fuselage changes and more, landing gear modifications and most importantly new generation engines. It isn't as simple of a modification as the 767ER or 772ER variants and isn't something that's possible anytime soon with the 787 family.

  • @Aviationlover88
    @Aviationlover883 жыл бұрын

    Merry christmas

  • @ChefLuisFayad
    @ChefLuisFayad3 жыл бұрын

    I think you hit the nail on the head. The -10 is too comparable to older 777 in range and capacity so what's then the point of getting it unless you're already planning on moving on from your 777

  • @justforever96
    @justforever963 жыл бұрын

    like you say in the video (more or less), there is really no point in comparing the total numbers bough, since one has had years more time on the market. You would need to make a graph showing monthly or yearly sales, and compare them both over a similar period of time.

  • @Wongwanchungwongjumbo
    @Wongwanchungwongjumbo3 жыл бұрын

    The Rival Airbus 350XWB-1000 is also longer and has wider cabin too.

  • @RedLP5000S
    @RedLP5000S3 жыл бұрын

    Like you said, it's cutting into the triple seven segment.

  • @what_should_i_call_myself4382
    @what_should_i_call_myself43823 жыл бұрын

    hey, could u make a vid on the green 747 at Heathrow pls? Merry Christmas to everyone at Simply Flying!

  • @what_should_i_call_myself4382

    @what_should_i_call_myself4382

    3 жыл бұрын

    Simple*

  • @seadeer923

    @seadeer923

    3 жыл бұрын

    That might have been a new 747!

  • @what_should_i_call_myself4382

    @what_should_i_call_myself4382

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, Boeing was planning on making a 747 trijet

  • @the4fibs832

    @the4fibs832

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@what_should_i_call_myself4382 It's used for fire training and is a Frankenstein plane, not a new 747 trijet (unfortunately)

  • @what_should_i_call_myself4382

    @what_should_i_call_myself4382

    3 жыл бұрын

    Oh ok

  • @magical_catgirl
    @magical_catgirl3 жыл бұрын

    The -10 isn't made in Seattle and only built at the newer Boeing plant in Charleston. The Charleston plant has a higher frequency of issues with completed aircraft and a number of airlines have said they don't want aircraft built at that plant.

  • @gteixeira
    @gteixeira3 жыл бұрын

    Just like the 777-300, the 787-10 won't be popular until a ER version comes by. The "vanilla" -10 came late, thus lost many sales to the -8 and -9 that could be delivered earlier. Eventually the -10 will pickup sales and become the most sold version of the 787.

  • @sergiolaurencio7534

    @sergiolaurencio7534

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agree, a 787-10ER or 10lr would be very exelent.

  • @talesfromunderthemoon

    @talesfromunderthemoon

    2 жыл бұрын

    Kinda agree. Boeing ought to redo the research on the feasibilities on the creation of 787-10ER or 787-10LR unless 777-8 is realized.

  • @gteixeira

    @gteixeira

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@talesfromunderthemoon I would hardly believe that the 777-8 would be worthy over a long range 787-10. The 777 is optimized for higher weight, thus it would be less efficient in a smaller size. And chances are that most long range airliner operators shopping for an aircraft of that size already have 787s, so they would likely prefer to stay within their type.

  • @mmm0404

    @mmm0404

    2 жыл бұрын

    That what I said , the 777-8X is actually much larger than the -10 but , it could better compete with the a350-900 which is the more popular varient of the 350 family. I said myself that a 10er could eventually become the 787's best seller and could give the a350-900 some troubles with its better economics . Hope it is released soon

  • @Brandon-qr2or
    @Brandon-qr2or3 жыл бұрын

    There is a story about the engine tech used in the 787 that Airbus didn't know was available and that's why they went with the A380. Sounds like an interesting story

  • @CheapBastard1988
    @CheapBastard19882 жыл бұрын

    3:32 "...this variant..." Shows a 787-9 from KLM. As you can see at 1:56 which is obviously a recording of the same setting, the letters "HC" are above the windshield and on the nose landing gear door. These letters are the last two letters of its registration. A Dutch registration always begins with "PH-", all Boeing aircraft with KLM begin with a "B" and the last two letters are in those two places I described earlier. Meaning the registration is "PH-BHC" which is a 787-9. The first 787 KLM took delivery of, because the one that was ordered first (the PH-BHA) had a production delay. Trivia: All registrations from KLM have a certain logic to them. The ones beginning with "PH-A.." are Airbusses, beginning with "PH-B.." are Boeings and beginning with "PH-E.." are Embraers. In some cases the registration also describes the model, which is the case with the wide body aircraft where for example a 787-9 has a "PH-BH." registration while a 787-10 has a "PH-BK." registration. But that doesn't apply to the 737 fleet where for example the PH-BXA is a 737-800 and the PH-BXS is a 737-900. TUI made a little joke with the registration of their 787-8's. Because they had the first 787's in the Netherlands and not KLM (obviously because KLM had no interest in the -8), they registered them as: "PH-TFK", "PH-TFL" and "PH-TFM". So the last letters of the registrations made "KLM". Yeah I'll tell it to myself: NERD!

  • @sergiolaurencio7534
    @sergiolaurencio75342 жыл бұрын

    at least that Boeing makes an upgrade to the 787-10 with more range and some details to fix, I think it would be very popular.

  • @Rafael47936
    @Rafael479363 жыл бұрын

    You forgot to mention that Airbus made an alternative with the A330 neo

  • @neunundfuenfzigposition
    @neunundfuenfzigposition3 жыл бұрын

    Merry Christmas everyone!

  • @jamilisazade2808
    @jamilisazade28083 жыл бұрын

    So how many hours 787.10 maksimum can fly without non stop?

  • @magnustan841
    @magnustan8413 жыл бұрын

    Perfect for high capacity medium-haul flights, which is exactly what Singapore Airlines is intending to use them for, but for many airlines wanting point-to-point long haul flights, the 787-10 doesn't have the range, although 7400 miles is still a lot, LAX to Shanghai, no problem. (I think) Also, I'm sure some airlines are considering buying the -10 to replace older aircraft of similar capacity and performance, but COVID means that seats can't be filled, so they are holding back on their commitment for now.

  • @cskvision
    @cskvision3 жыл бұрын

    I think the B787-10 was built as the ideal B777-200ER replacement within this decade. But the A350 has a slight advantage with better range and MTOW. But current -200er & 787 operators, like American Airlines, could buy the -10 in the future.

  • @jfmezei
    @jfmezei3 жыл бұрын

    The original 787 was to fulfill huge pent up demand to replace 767s. Turns out its finances weren't great so Boeing fixed than by selling the 787 with 9 across seating and sales took off, but it still initially replaced pent up demand to replace 767s, just as the 777 was to replace the DC-10/L1011/MD11 aircraft the 787-10 is just filling natural demand. There is no pent up demand for it, and as you mentioned, competes against the 777. Some airlines may prefere to grow their 777 fleet, some prefer to grow then 787 fleet (pilots, spare parts, maintenance facilities etc).

  • @timtyler8060
    @timtyler80608 ай бұрын

    It's all about the range!!

  • @filledwithvariousknowledge1065
    @filledwithvariousknowledge10653 жыл бұрын

    It’s the range (which should be corrected soon because in the Air NewZealand deal over a year ago Boeing promised to up the MTOW) and takeoff performance in hot weather. Whilst Boeing lists the takeoff performance as 100 meters shorter than the -9, this is only the case in the optimal conditions. I think another factor is it’s only built at SC unlike the other 2 variants (until next year)

  • @12345anton6789

    @12345anton6789

    3 жыл бұрын

    Boeing only added 6 tons to the MTOW, that’s maximum 1 hours of extra flight time, so its still lack a lot of range compared to the -8/-9 and the A350. But they can’t do much with engine performance in hot weather at MTOW. The engines to the 787 is optimised for the -8 and -9, the -10 program was not finished with its design before 2015.

  • @filledwithvariousknowledge1065

    @filledwithvariousknowledge1065

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@12345anton6789 They need to get GE and RR to offer high thrust then when they can. What might help as well is a slight wing extension

  • @12345anton6789

    @12345anton6789

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@filledwithvariousknowledge1065 Maybe a new engine built on the latest GE9X technology is the solution. Higher thrust in the existing engine can only be solved by injecting more fuel into the engine. This is how they solved the thrust increase that the 787-10 required, but then you get a “hotter” engine which limits its performance in hot climate. Another problem is the weight limitations, the -9/-10 was constructed as a 254 ton aircraft at MTOW. To change this significantly they have to redesign more or less the whole wingbox making it a heavier aircraft and loose its commonality with the 787-9.. I think the 787 family of aircraft is perfect as they are now, they where intended to compete/replace the similar sized A330 which it has done very well.

  • @deeya
    @deeya3 жыл бұрын

    Nobody wants to fly empty planes, the A380 has already taught this painful lesson. Shorter ranger meaning less flexibility, with increased passenger capacity that you can no longer guarantee, even during pre-COVID travel. Travel isn't what it was 10 or so years ago, travel destinations are no longer predefined to the typical countries or continents (20 years ago the West: London, Paris, New York, etc; the East: Tokyo, Hong Kong, Sydney, etc) . You can't guarantee to pack a plane to a destination anymore because the world has opened up and a lot of people want to go elsewhere. Hence why the Hub & Spoke model is working mostly for the giant airlines with huge, expansive networks. But since the majority of airlines are not in this category, most can't support it, and will rely on point-to-point where travel capacity will be inconsistent.

  • @chrismckellar9350
    @chrismckellar93503 жыл бұрын

    The B787-10 can be viewed as the B777-200 replacement as the B777-8 is the B777-200ER/LR replacement. The B787-8, -9 and -10 give airlines that operated an all B787 fleet good 'mix & match' capability to suit passenger and flight operation demands. Air NZ is replacing their B777-200ER's with the B787-10 as the type meets the airline's medium to long haul flight requirements.

  • @ddarkdomz

    @ddarkdomz

    3 жыл бұрын

    To succeed, the 787-10 has to beat the A330 because outside the US, the A330 dominates this medium-haul, mid-to-high capacity market, or NMA, so to speak. I do not actually think Air New Zealand will use the 787-10s on long-haul flights actually... they have the 787-9 and 777-300ER for that. They will however, need them for Auckland and Christchurch to Australian cities because I don't think Australian airports are being expanded in any significant manner. A lot of talk, not a lot actually being done.

  • @chrismckellar9350

    @chrismckellar9350

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ddarkdomz - The B787-10 is replacing the B777-200ERs on the medium to long haul routes like NZ to Asia, NZ to Perth (Australia) and Adelaide, NZ to Honolulu, NZ to Los Angeles, NZ to Tahiti and back up the A321neo on the short haul international services like to NZ to east coast Australia, NZ to Fiji and NZ to Rarotonga. The B777-300ER's are currently in short term storage and those who are stored in NZ are some times used for the occasional freight only flights to keep their hours up. The airline has been reduce a domestic carrier passenger due to NZ boarders being closed, leaving the B787-9's are the main stay for the medium to long haul international fleet mainly for freight and occasional passenger flights. The airline has written off the B777-200ER's and are currently in long storage and may not return to service with the airline. The fate of the B777-300ERs is unclear but there is strong speculation they may be withdrawn once the final delivery of the B787-10's has been completed, leaving the airline as a B787 only fleet for future medium to ultra long haul operations.

  • @sethtan715
    @sethtan7153 жыл бұрын

    Can you put it in kilometers too?

  • @bernhardk7720
    @bernhardk77203 жыл бұрын

    Might help understand things better if you add in prices for each plane both new and used. Also comparison prices for Airbus equivalents. Then the popularity or lack of the 787-10 might be more obvious?

  • @Sacto1654
    @Sacto16543 жыл бұрын

    The shorter range of the 787-10 has limited its sales. It will be used to replace the 777-200ER on routes up to 6,000 nautical miles in range, and that means longer flights in eastern Asia and transatlantic routes (for now). There are plans for an higher MTOW variant with more fuel capacity that can fly up to 7,200 nautical miles, and then the plane really does become a 777-200ER replacement.

  • @luca7069
    @luca70693 жыл бұрын

    The fact that is solely build at Charleston, where quality control is virtually non-existent, might also be a reason...

  • @filledwithvariousknowledge1065

    @filledwithvariousknowledge1065

    3 жыл бұрын

    Note all 787 production is moving there next year

  • @VelvetCondoms

    @VelvetCondoms

    3 жыл бұрын

    #Trude

  • @nntflow7058

    @nntflow7058

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's sad. Boeing is crumbling before our eyes.

  • @alleycatvietnam

    @alleycatvietnam

    3 жыл бұрын

    Agreed.....

  • @Sarge084

    @Sarge084

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also Boeings record on stretched aircraft is marred by the 737 Max debacle.

  • @thomsonfly645k
    @thomsonfly645k2 жыл бұрын

    I would imagine it's because a lot of airlines who wanted a 777 replacement went for the Airbus A350 (Air France, Alitalia/ITA, Asiana, Delta, JAL, Singapore Airlines, Malaysia Airlines, Thai Airways and probably United in the future). Some airlines (American, Aeromexico, Kenya Airways, Scoot, Royal Brunei) went for the either the 787-9 the 787-8 or both. If you look at other Boeing aircraft, when multiple stretches of an aircraft are offered, it is usually the middle variant which sells the best, in the 767 it was the -300/300ER which sold the most aircraft (followed by the 200/200ER) and with the 737NG it was the -800 (followed by the -700). With the 787 it is the -9 which has sold the most (followed by the -8).

  • @mmm0404

    @mmm0404

    2 жыл бұрын

    No it is actually the ER version that sells the best . A 787-10 ER could be a banger for Boeing . Look how many more orders the 767-300ER got more than the 300 and how the 777-300ER sold better than the 777-300. an ER version of the -10 could give airbus some troubles

  • @thomsonfly645k

    @thomsonfly645k

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mmm0404 Where two variants are offered then yes it is the ER version like with the 777 but a long range 787-10 would be heavier and would need a new wing, engine and landing gear. Whereas the 787-9 still has a long range while still using the same wing, engines and landing gear. the 787-8 and 9 also have a higher cruise altitude than the -10.

  • @Wongwanchungwongjumbo
    @Wongwanchungwongjumbo3 жыл бұрын

    Singapore Airlines had ordered 30 Boeing 787-10 besides the smaller 787-8 and 787-9 to Subsidiary Airlines Scoot Airlines.

  • @johnboz8087
    @johnboz80873 жыл бұрын

    Range is the problem. It has nothing to do with the aircraft flying only for a few years. Its main problem is its shorter range comparing it to its brothers in the 787 series.

  • @ranvirgupta1471
    @ranvirgupta14713 жыл бұрын

    If I could, I would surely buy it...

  • @bozidarskobalj3166
    @bozidarskobalj31663 жыл бұрын

    range and competetionplays a role so 9 is best 8 is needed for next 8 years if you count a 15 years for normal airplane cycle version

  • @twinchantillytiffanysbenny8852
    @twinchantillytiffanysbenny88523 жыл бұрын

    With the 777 relevant still, there’s no need for the 787-10. Like he said, once the 777 is fazed out the 787-10 will slid on in along with the new 777x.

  • @edsy174ornek
    @edsy174ornek3 жыл бұрын

    I think the reason 787-10 isn’t selling is: Shorter range More passengers Higher chance of tail strike

  • @nntflow7058

    @nntflow7058

    3 жыл бұрын

    There isn't much demand for it. Similar aircraft like B777-200 and A350-900 Regional only sold at small number.

  • @Qatari2007

    @Qatari2007

    3 жыл бұрын

    Haha

  • @mmm0404

    @mmm0404

    2 жыл бұрын

    Higher chance of tail strike ? Have you seen the 777-300er ? How many tail strkes has it had?

  • @VishakPillaiNagercoil
    @VishakPillaiNagercoil2 жыл бұрын

    Is there a possibility that Boeing might consider an Extended Range variant ?

  • @mmm0404

    @mmm0404

    2 жыл бұрын

    They could/will , it would be interesting how it fares with the a350 since it's seats a little more passengers and is more efficient. An increase in range to about 14K(km ) could give airbus some problems

  • @Pilot.ChuckK
    @Pilot.ChuckK3 жыл бұрын

    I’ve tried it on MSGS 2020, and it can’t even get to Sydney from Lax or San Fransisco, A 787-9 route by United and was by Qantas and American.

  • @mgsaviation9292

    @mgsaviation9292

    3 жыл бұрын

    whats MSGS 2020?

  • @Sacto1654

    @Sacto1654

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mgsaviation9292 Is that Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020?

  • @mgsaviation9292

    @mgsaviation9292

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Sacto1654 maybe

  • @Pilot.ChuckK

    @Pilot.ChuckK

    3 жыл бұрын

    My bad, meant MSFS 2020 or Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020

  • @andrewdeans8520
    @andrewdeans85203 жыл бұрын

    obviously success will come to the -10 when additional fuel tanks are added to make it the commercial success it deserves

  • @airbus_a320neo

    @airbus_a320neo

    3 жыл бұрын

    it will lose efficiency then

  • @BlueDeepSeas
    @BlueDeepSeas3 жыл бұрын

    Large passenger aircraft orders have been falling since 2015 .The Airbus A350, A330 have also given more choice and the 787-10 has a far higher price that the 787-8 and -9.

  • @dennisthebrony2022
    @dennisthebrony20223 жыл бұрын

    Boeing should Develop the 787-10ER, to directly replace the 777-200ER by adding additional fuel tanks.

  • @Pedro_the_great
    @Pedro_the_great3 жыл бұрын

    That’s 1872 orders, not 1882 according to the graph you displayed

  • @strikersix2838
    @strikersix28383 жыл бұрын

    The best replacement for a 777-200 or -200ER right now is the 777-200LR. This plane is in the same size category as the 787-10. However, the -200LR has A LOT more range. Meaning that it gives airlines a lot more versatility if they want to fly longer routes that the -10 just can’t fly.

  • @aseem7w9

    @aseem7w9

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah but the 77L passenger version is already out of production. It was a great 772 replacement tho as it has way more pay load, range and efficiency.

  • @strikersix2838

    @strikersix2838

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@aseem7w9 are you sure it’s out already?

  • @aseem7w9

    @aseem7w9

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@strikersix2838 Yes, all planes of 777NG series except 777F (derived of 777 200LR) won't be produced anymore and Boeing won't take any new orders. There's still some 777 300ER left to be delivered but the last one already has been built and went to Aeroflot. The last 777 200LR was delivered less than a year back to Turkmenistan Airlines.

  • @mizzyroro
    @mizzyroro Жыл бұрын

    Whatis a 'skinny' route?

  • @vogel9197
    @vogel9197 Жыл бұрын

    From 2:22 on voiceover stops and some guitar music takes over in this video.

  • @Oceansta
    @Oceansta Жыл бұрын

    As a KZread channel with globnnal viewership, you should mention the distances in miles as well as kms as standard practice.

  • @loodwich
    @loodwich3 жыл бұрын

    Pandemic, A321XRL is the lower plane for the medium market segment, and 787-10 is the high plane (140 passengers more; and 1500nm more) both planes really didn't compete, but the companies don't know now which demand they will have or which routes will be profitable.

  • @Kayroeee

    @Kayroeee

    3 жыл бұрын

    A321XLR?

  • @loodwich

    @loodwich

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Kayroeee Sorry I didn't explain correctly, there a gap between single-aisle and double-aisle planes. At this moment no company is making a Midsize Airplane, the market share is too low, the lower position is for the A321XLR, and the higher position is for the 787-10 those planes are in borders of the gap. Could you fill a 330seats between two cities, 8000km apart? 787-10 is your option, if you only could fill 200 seats A321XLR is your option... The real problem is, at this moment there are not making planes in Midsize Airplane, and also the market is very low. There is a market for single-aisle planes in Europe, the USA, and Asia. And for the twin Aisle to connect those 3 markets... But A321XRL could mix those areas and also the 787-10... But the problem is the efficiency of that plane for distances lower than 8000km. The necessity of Midsize Airplane will increase only if Sud America and Africa increase their value in the economic market. so at this moment, I expect sales of A321XLR around 200 aircraft and 787-10 around 500 aircraft. With those numbers, I don't expect to see a new Midsize Airplane.

  • @Kayroeee

    @Kayroeee

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@loodwich I also apologize for not pointing it right but it's A321XLR not A321XRL. I just wanted to let you know that there was a typo in your comment. And don't worry bro ur explanation is 💯

  • @loodwich

    @loodwich

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Kayroeee sorry, that was my dyslexia, thanks.

  • @Kayroeee

    @Kayroeee

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@loodwich understood, merry Christmas! 🎄☃️❄

  • @sakthimohan9242
    @sakthimohan92423 жыл бұрын

    The -9 is everyone’s fav due to its long range

  • @johniii8147
    @johniii81473 жыл бұрын

    Nothing is selling right now. It’s well position for the future but no wide bodies are selling right now. Everyone is trying to get out of the current orders let alone ordering new ones

  • @gower23
    @gower236 ай бұрын

    Was hoping the 787-10 would be the vehicle to revive short range, high demand intra-continental widebody services. It isn't turning out that way 😢

  • @alexwhitton1
    @alexwhitton1 Жыл бұрын

    What happened with the music

  • @jeffreyschatz164
    @jeffreyschatz1642 жыл бұрын

    Happy August

  • @misterff1629
    @misterff16293 жыл бұрын

    How does the 787-10 compare with the A350-900?

  • @Qatari2007

    @Qatari2007

    3 жыл бұрын

    Bigger, less range

  • @anjanas2379
    @anjanas23793 жыл бұрын

    I have flown on a Singapore airlines 787-10 once

  • @goodfella2400
    @goodfella24003 жыл бұрын

    It will be interesting to see which variant ultimately sells better: the 787-10 or 777-8X.

  • @sergiolaurencio7534

    @sergiolaurencio7534

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think the 787 would sell better. But lest wait.

  • @aseem7w9

    @aseem7w9

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sergiolaurencio7534 Yeah 777 8 is made to be a ultra long haul jet like a340 500 and 777 200lr so it won't sell alot

  • @leakd
    @leakd Жыл бұрын

    What happened to the video??

  • @jacobhuber278
    @jacobhuber2782 жыл бұрын

    If the 787-8 is shorter and lighter. Why doesn't it have the longest range?

  • @AS-br8si

    @AS-br8si

    2 жыл бұрын

    Bcz it has low power engine that's why is efficient the other 787 model.

  • @chadgaitor4238
    @chadgaitor42382 жыл бұрын

    They need to extend the range... If the have to sacrifice car space for a fuel pod that what would be need to sell it..

  • @edwardmounsey9208
    @edwardmounsey92083 жыл бұрын

    It’s possible that airlines aren’t ordering as many aircraft in the last several years as prior to that time? When the 777er’s retire there should be a big market for the -10.

  • @filledwithvariousknowledge1065

    @filledwithvariousknowledge1065

    3 жыл бұрын

    For the -200ER it’s an ideal replacement despite the range shortage. Not the larger and more popular (and also newer) -300ER though as that what’s Boeing markets 777X for

  • @ShubhamSharma-wn3ic

    @ShubhamSharma-wn3ic

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@filledwithvariousknowledge1065 Due to the pandemic, the need for business class has fallen and for business travel and many experts have confirmed that a world post-COVID will not see business demand return to normal levels, which means less seats being sold and smaller aircraft being purchased.

  • @viniciusmagnoni6492
    @viniciusmagnoni649210 ай бұрын

    Short Answer : A350.

  • @mingluke12
    @mingluke12 Жыл бұрын

    The 787-10s should have more wheels on the main landing gears like 777 series. Don't know why in such long body (223' lenth longer than 777-200's ) only equipped with total four wheels on the landing gears.