In short, many of the "Terrible Teens" got sold to Ethiopian Airlines for a major discount. They proved useful for flights to many parts of Asia from Addis Ababa, where the extreme range of the "good" 787-8's was not needed.

Gosh, I love this channel. Everyday, something new, interesting and explained simply with a soothing voice. Thank you again team Simple Flying!

@tpr1808

Жыл бұрын

I also heard this guys voice in a video about gaming PC's to buy. His voice is very convincing

@NBLCGBLN

Жыл бұрын

@@tpr1808 True, true...

@tsikinite

Жыл бұрын

@@tpr1808 it’s dictation

Very interesting. I do remember a bit of the reporting on the problems Boeing had early on with the manufacturing of the 787. It was clear that they had to do a lot of rework on the early build aircraft. Never knew that it resulted in less performance for those aircraft. Fortunately the owners got a nice bargain.

Never heard of terrible teens or terrible Dreamliners group. Thanks for explaining that👍.

Very Interesting Information. Really your work on the channel is so good

have to admit the B787-9 & B787-10 are great looking twin engined wide body jets in recent years . . .

@user-bi3cn2oo9d

Жыл бұрын

and A350-1000?

@kirilmihaylov1934

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-bi3cn2oo9d also

@kirilmihaylov1934

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-bi3cn2oo9d actually A350 is better

@user-bi3cn2oo9d

Жыл бұрын

@@kirilmihaylov1934 it's a gorgrous shape

@kirilmihaylov1934

Жыл бұрын

@@user-bi3cn2oo9d agreed

This brings back memories. I’ve worked on most of these lines for Boeing. The work was tough, the times were tough but I had a great time to work with. I worked on the wings and fuel systems mostly.

@RocketRod56

6 ай бұрын

I feel it bro... MAC/DAC Long Beach... couldn't give up So Cal. Did a bunch of stuff... rear spar C-17 was one

Great video! Really makes you wonder why the A330NEO isn’t selling as much. Bigger wing, proved design, commonality, initial price.

@tahsin_0348

9 күн бұрын

It's cause Airbus didn't make the next big step. A redesigned fuselage. As of now it's just an age-old airframe with a very high price 🙄😒

I flew in the "terrible teen" of air austral 😮 Pamandzi ( Mayotte ) to Paris CDG ( France ) great experience around 4340 nautical miles

lines 5,6,7,8,9,12, and 13 I worked on. Line 8 is the mexican airforce one, that is for sale. Changing that aircraft from flight test to charter was a massive pain. There are those who worked on these particular aircraft will not fly on them. they do not feel safe flying them.

@nickolliver3021

Жыл бұрын

dont feel safe flying on a 787 that has never crashed?

@dougmate2378

Жыл бұрын

@@nickolliver3021 Did you ever work on those lines?

@nickolliver3021

Жыл бұрын

@@dougmate2378 where did I say that I did?

@dougmate2378

Жыл бұрын

@Nick Olliver I'm asking you if you did, guy.

@nickolliver3021

Жыл бұрын

@@dougmate2378 perhaps your going by tne Al jazeeera documentary?

I did most of my flight training at KPAE during the time many of these aircraft were parked on runway 11-29. I had heard that they were early production units that were built before a change to the design was made, and that they were waiting for a gap in production to go back through the line to have the revisions applied. It sounds like that was partially true, but there's more to the story than what I originally heard. There were also some partially completed, engineless 747-8s parked among the 787s on runway 11-29. They had giant concrete blocks hanging from their wings to simulate the weight of the engines. Any idea what the story is with these aircraft? When I returned to my flight school in 2017 all the aircraft stored on 11-29 had disappeared, but the runway remained closed. The rumor at the time was that the weight of these aircraft exerted in one spot for several years had damaged the runway and it was unknown if it would ever be repaired and brought back to operation. As of this writing it remains closed and doesn't even appear on KPAE's entry in the AFD.

The worst 787 experience I had was with Qatar in economy. It was dreadful. Extremely uncomfortable and horrendous legroom with boxes on the floor.

@wilburfinnigan2142

Жыл бұрын

Ameer Ali Blame the airline as to how they put the seats in NOT Boeing !! DUUUUH!!!!!!

@ameerali.ouarda

Жыл бұрын

@@wilburfinnigan2142 I have. Where did I blame Boeing. I’ve clearly blamed Qatar. BA’s 787 is much better.

@johniii8147

Жыл бұрын

Well it was economy. Fly business next time.

@argamulyana

Жыл бұрын

are the boxes on the floor or under the seat ? either way, i would not fly comfortably with that foot situation too

@ameerali.ouarda

Жыл бұрын

@@johniii8147 I fly Premium Economy if available. QR doesn’t offer that.

I'm really surprised by a lot of the comments here not know about this. This is NOT a unique occurrence and happens on every aircraft. First deliveries are usually out of spec and need modifications. It is one of the drawbacks of early adoption by carriers. This happened on the A350 as well as noted in 2008 when the planes first come out.

* I checked at flightradar24 and ET-ATG is now painted in Star Alliance Livery.

Boeing and it's bloopers. Lmao

@brakinglate8828

Жыл бұрын

They were test bed aircraft, ofcourse they had flaws

@odeiraoloap

Жыл бұрын

@@brakinglate8828 *That's even worse!* Honda would be sued into the ground if they even tried to sell off a "test bed" Accord to a retail customer, so why was Boeing allowed to sell tested, stressed, and abused planes to airlines and *carry REAL human beings?* 😭😭😭

@Emi_LDA

Жыл бұрын

@@brakinglate8828 It’s not a reason. This never happened on Airbus aircrafts

@brakinglate8828

Жыл бұрын

@@Emi_LDA cuz Airbus never sold any early versions of their plane. Anyway Boeing prolly sold them with a heavy discount to offset the excess fuel use.

@Emi_LDA

Жыл бұрын

@@brakinglate8828 I guess you're right ! Btw I love your profile picture xd

Woah, can't imagine if Lion Air purchasing those 787.

@heidirabenau511

Жыл бұрын

Lion Air operates the A330neo.

@rezaalan3991

Жыл бұрын

@@heidirabenau511 yeah, I know.

@wilburfinnigan2142

Жыл бұрын

Its probably a good thing Lion air did not purchase the 787....they most likely would have been the first to crash one !!! !

@kirilmihaylov1934

Жыл бұрын

​@@wilburfinnigan2142 nice one

@allthat46

Жыл бұрын

​@Wilbur Finnigan how so?

Hi… New aviation addict, here. Question. Would these “terrible teens” have been heavily incentivized to move them, beyond the massive price break? Are there additional “perks” for Ethiopian Airlines and the others whom have taken delivery of these behemoths?

@kirilmihaylov1934

Жыл бұрын

Yes price discounts I heard

flown on ET ATG in 2019, in star alliance livery, didnt notice anyt different

I flew every year from IAD to CMN with those early boing and always I had the best experience with ROYAL AIR MAROC

Looks like you had to go back a ways to dig up more Boeing dirt. Good point though.. A handful of unwanted 787's , vs.1700 wanted ones airlines can't get enough of.. Great reporting as usual !!

@jazzi_0453

Жыл бұрын

You still got some boeing cum in your face sir

@MrJimheeren

Жыл бұрын

A company like Boeing shouldn’t have one bad 787. Let alone dozens. Stop apologizing for a bad company like Boeing. Remember how they murdered 384 people with their fucking terrible 737 max for no reason whatsoever then just pure greed

@Samguy55

Жыл бұрын

@@Glen.Danielsen true. They always go deep to find out Boeing’s flaws like it’s what they’re paid for

@Samguy55

Жыл бұрын

For example. Airbus is currently having issues with their a320 neos but you won’t hear about them

@alvinloh9068

Жыл бұрын

@@Samguy55 that would eventually plague the 737 maxs too, blame P&W and CFM for the parts, not AB.

So were these heavier Boeing 787 sold at a steep discount?

Private owner registering #20 in the Cayman Islands? Color me shocked!

Ethiopian has great business class award availability from the U.S. on 787s. Coincidence?

Going on a 789 next week. Looking forward to it up front

@coyotelong4349

Жыл бұрын

That is, if the 787 doesn’t have an acne breakout and yell that it hates you before slamming the hangar door closed to play video games

@brkitdwn

Жыл бұрын

​@@coyotelong4349 How is it living in a tent, on the streets?

No mention of TUI.

Well it appears that even the terrible teens though heavier are still more efficient than any other aircraft, part of the development of new technology, and proven by the fact most are flying today and proof Boeing did improve the efficiency of the 787's, It is still the most efficient plane flying !!!

@kirilmihaylov1934

Жыл бұрын

Boeing has been shit last few years

@nickolliver3021

Жыл бұрын

@@kirilmihaylov1934 that doesn't apply to what he has said

At first I thought these airlines got a bad deal with it being so difficult to sell them at first. But with the reduced cost and fuel savings compared to the Airbus mentioned, I think the likes of Ethiopian ultimately benefited from their purchases.

The carbon fuselage has been a disaster, it delayed the program by two years due to mismatched fuse. sections. More recently issues with titanium joints between the fuse. sections. The use of so much carbon has made the 787 the most titanium intensive passenger aircraft flying today. The titanium is needed, because it is corrosion resistant to the carbon……and titanium is very expensive, compared to aluminum 😢

Guessing ones manufactured in Charleston

@dennismurray4999

Жыл бұрын

Parts of every 787 were built in Charleston, every center fuselage and after fuselage section have been built there since ship 1. Charleston didn't start assembling any 787 until the 30 building was built and that would have been 2013 or 2014.

Aviation "scratched & dents" bargains.

I thought it was "terrible tens" HAHAHA

@wilburfinnigan2142

Жыл бұрын

Pay attention to what you read or when people talk !!!! DUUUUHH!!!!

The biggest piece of crap in the sky, the 787 Nightmare Liner

Ethiopian airlines scored a bargain Why didn't Air Zim take these instead of the Malaysian Airlines dumped 777-200s If they cost less than half

@kudakwashe3660

Жыл бұрын

By the time Air Zim took the 777 these 787s were already sold , it was more of like a political deal between Zimbabwe and Malaysia, the 777s were bought for 16.5m each so it was a bargain.

@tpr1808

Жыл бұрын

@@kudakwashe3660 What bores me is that they are still parked. I hope they fly one day

@kudakwashe3660

Жыл бұрын

@@tpr1808 yeah me too man. Their international permits have been granted so hopefully we will see them go to London

@tpr1808

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenfienberg8765 They did plan it but didn't succeed

@tpr1808

Жыл бұрын

@@kudakwashe3660 I also hope they can add to their fleet and expand. They can start off by waiting for some airlines to retire 777-300ER for the 777x or a350s (like Japan Airlines) and take those at giveaway prices so that many long haul routes are served simultaneously

Little doe Ethiopian know what will happen to their max a few years after they received all these 787-8

Yes I fly this planes almost every day!

Is the 787 the only Boeing with fly by wire ?

@joernsns

Жыл бұрын

777 as well

@ajmillendez478

8 ай бұрын

777 series of aircraft is the first Boeing Yoke Aircraft that have the Fly By Wire.

U wonder wat incentives these overweight planes really bring to these airlines...especially Ethiopian Airliness..

@wilburfinnigan2142

Жыл бұрын

Bwayo Even over weight the 787's are still MORE EFFICIENT than anything else !!!!!! DUUUUHH!!!!!!

@ronjon7942

Жыл бұрын

@@wilburfinnigan2142 ​ Maybe fuel efficient, what about cost efficiency? Perhaps as a goodwill gesture, Boeing could simply transfer them to Ethiopian Airlines as well as Lion Air, no charge, full warranty and maintenance??

Jetstar is not mentioned

@magical_catgirl

Жыл бұрын

The oldest Jetstar 787, VH-VKA, is line number 123. It was built in mid 2013. The aircraft with the weight problems were built in 2006 and 2007.

Over 1000 delivered, yet still not made a profit on the project and it’s cost more than the A380 program

@MainInternetUser

4 ай бұрын

Wait really ?

@tomstravels520

4 ай бұрын

@@MainInternetUser Yes. A380 was about $25-$30 billion. 787 is over $40 billion

They should of been scrapped.

Sadly NO. Boeing has not designed a new aircraft from scratch for decades - mostly they have simply modified others so as to try and argue they do not need to retrain the pilots. Airbus has done the opposite AND developed and introduced fly by wire - which Boeing have been forced to copy. Why should anyone EVER buy from Boeing?

@nickolliver3021

Жыл бұрын

Why should airlines not Buy from Boeing just because they dont necessarily implement fly by wire and develop new designs? Airbus has not developed any new designs as such as they have re done the a320 and a330 to meet new modern efficiencies

Air austral’s 787 is really a bad plane 😂 they are always in maintenance

Be great if they could be donated to aerospace schools like Embry Riddle and such, for airframe & powerplant and jet turbine technician training as well as pilot instruction. Are there cargo conversions for the 787? Perhaps as a goodwill gesture, Boeing could simply transfer them to Ethiopian Airlines as well as Lion Air, no charge, full warranty and maintenance??

@archibaldhernandez5553

Жыл бұрын

The goodwill thing would be cool, but the shareholders would be livid; heads would roll unfortunately

@allthat46

Жыл бұрын

So give them free planes because a shitty Boeing product killed hundreds of their passenger?

Took my first two flights on a Dreamliner recently and wasn't that impressed on the 13 hour flights Much prefer the A350 and A380. Much less noisy than the Boeing.

@dmcr9525

Жыл бұрын

Not exactly accurate and this also depends on where you were sitting in the aircraft. The A380, which has engines farther way from the fuselage is the most quiet because of this very reason. 69.5dB, 787 is actually number 2 at 72.7dB, and the A350 is a tad bit louder than the 787 coming in at 74.9dB.

@ajmillendez478

8 ай бұрын

@twotanks6427 Bias, Airbus And Boeing has the Same Noise Levels, Boeing In the 2000's is better than 2010's Boeing which is Money Comes After Safety. Airbus has it's A321 XLR like the 777X can't get out of certification.

It’s ‘Ah Nah’ - sounds like 「あな」

The window system is the part of the 787 I hate most.

I never flew on any of those, but I helped build each one.

@kirilmihaylov1934

Жыл бұрын

You work for Boeing

@dennismurray4999

Жыл бұрын

@@kirilmihaylov1934 I was with them for 8 and a half years. From ship 1 to the first -10.

@kirilmihaylov1934

Жыл бұрын

@@dennismurray4999 what happened. Why did you leave them

@dennismurray4999

Жыл бұрын

@@kirilmihaylov1934 I along with about a thousand others got laid-off back in 2016.

@kirilmihaylov1934

Жыл бұрын

@@dennismurray4999 something is wrong at Boeing big time

Almost everything discussed in this is wrong. It's rather remarkable how much incorrect information is in this.

Wise decision made by Ethiopian to fly these 787-8 jets .

Sell them to China. They are usualy not more than 50 kg per person.

@allthat46

Жыл бұрын

Racist much?

Ethiopian likes its broken Boeings

@nickolliver3021

Жыл бұрын

broken?

Good plane, and yes the early ones were heavier, but there's no scandal here--waste of time story

They are 787-MAX

@biscuitplayzyt8900

Жыл бұрын

Lol

The most luxurious plane I've been on is economy on a Qantas A330. 🤣 Can't imagine that even the worst 787's are worse.

dude boeing goin down lik my shit airbus going up like my piss when there's no gravity

@MB-hc2xw

Жыл бұрын

You sound highly educated.

@VaibavRaja

Жыл бұрын

@@MB-hc2xw ye cus im in 6th grade failing my clasess and getting my butt whooped

@mmm0404

Жыл бұрын

Going up a place I don't want to mention. Lol

@alvinloh9068

Жыл бұрын

@@mmm0404 as if diving to hell like the 737max is a better option, oh LMFAO

@nickolliver3021

Жыл бұрын

@@alvinloh9068 as if a320neo engines fail and it dives is a better option leading to airlines not getting their planes when they need them right now LMFAOOOOOO

If it is Boeing, I ain’t going

@Glen.Danielsen

Жыл бұрын

No Marco, your quote is not correct. It actually says “If it’s a Boeing, I am going!”

@aviationlba747

Жыл бұрын

Ok, don’t. Bye!

@mmm0404

Жыл бұрын

If its Boeing, I am going. The very best❤

@kirilmihaylov1934

Жыл бұрын

​@@mmm0404 not anymore

@mmm0404

Жыл бұрын

@@kirilmihaylov1934 yea according to you . Why am I not surprised

airbus fanboi’s chanel continuing to bash boeing

@marcd6897

Жыл бұрын

clearly you haven’t watched a single minute of the video 🤦‍♂️

boeing is a disaster

@Samguy55

Жыл бұрын

You don’t believe and conclude everything you hear on the internet, dude.

@mmm0404

Жыл бұрын

Boeing is why you are relevant. Lol

@nickolliver3021

Жыл бұрын

Airbus is a disaster

ALL 787 NightmareLiners are defective. Every single one. I have not, and will not be willing to fly on the NightmareLiner, as it's a dangerous airplane that's inferior not only to the 777, but also to the 767 which it directly replaced. Frankly, there is no reason for the 787 NightmareLiner to have ever been built, as airlines would have been better off using 777-300er's or 777x's in those slots, while Boeing would have been better off creating an update to the 767, with new engines and an improved wing.

@nickolliver3021

Жыл бұрын

How in what way are the 787 "Nightmare liners" defective? "I have not, and will not be willing to fly on the Nightmareliner, as it is a dangerous airplane thats inferior"? How is the 787 a dangerous airplane? It hasn't had any hull loss and no safety concerns? And the 787 is not inferior to the 777. its a lot better than 777. Are you mis informed about the 787 and why so many airlines have bought the 787? Over 1000 orders and counting? Does that make you realise its not dangerous and not inferior?

The only thing I like about the 787 is the large windows , but they are cheap feeling and they bounce around and are so uncomfortable!!

@qwerty112311

Жыл бұрын

kekw

@brkitdwn

Жыл бұрын

The windows bounce around? How is that even possible?

@paulparker8298

Жыл бұрын

@@brkitdwn the plane bounces around ya clown, the best thing about the 787 is the large windows ffs 🤦🏻‍♂️

Handful of airplanes, give me a break

Totally unimportant...12 or so airplanes, and they've built a 1000.....why is this even being reported? Another Boeing hater.

@allthat46

Жыл бұрын

Aviation enthusiasts actually enjoy this sort of thing. It's not Boeing bashing, it's just an interesting story about the challenges of engineering. If you don't like it, don't watch it!!!!