Why talking about dying matters | Dr. Robert McDermid | TEDxSurrey

As an ICU doctor, Dr Robert McDermid shares healthcare’s worst-kept secret: despite all our medical advances, the death rate remains one per person. Medical science has been incredibly successful at helping people live longer, but at what cost? By making death the enemy to conquer, modern healthcare may have caused the idea of death to become unfamiliar and frightening. He believes that creating time to discuss death with those we trust is a critical step we must all take. Talking openly and compassionately about death makes the end of our lives an important part of our lives, rather than something to fear. Rob completed his medical degree at the University of British Columbia in 1997, followed by residency training in Internal Medicine, Respirology and Critical Care at the University of Alberta and a Cardiac Ultrasound fellowship at Vancouver General Hospital. He was an attending physician in the University of Alberta Hospital Intensive Care Unit prior to moving to British Columbia in 2014.
He is an intensive care physician, the former Site Medical Director of Surrey Memorial Hospital and the current chair of the Health Authority Medical Advisory Committee for Fraser Health. He is a Clinical Professor at the University of British Columbia and is an author on more than 40 scientific publications and book chapters. Rob has participated in committees and presented at conferences nationally and internationally. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx

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  • @ArisProducer
    @ArisProducer2 жыл бұрын

    As a cancer survivor and a person who was misdiagnosed for years. I lived for years in pain, and once found, not one person apologized. That would be a good start.

  • @text2324

    @text2324

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank ʏᴏᴜ, ᴛᴇxᴛ stephen' ʜᴇ's ᴀɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴏʀ ±𝟏𝟐𝟎𝟗𝟗𝟖𝟗𝟏𝟓𝟒𝟖 ʀeɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ 🅑🅣🅒 ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs

  • @vidalskyociosen3326

    @vidalskyociosen3326

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@text2324 The reply above is a scam, probably Indian again.

  • @melodymarie7268
    @melodymarie72682 жыл бұрын

    Thank you... It's the elephant in the room most often...as a care provider, a friend, a daughter of mom with cancer currently and a nurse for a many along this road of life it's a blessing and curse but I wouldn't change it, dying with dignity and peace.... priceless.

  • @franceslitmanphoto
    @franceslitmanphoto2 жыл бұрын

    What an honour to share in the TEDx experience with you Rob. Your beautiful, heartfelt talk is one that deserves to be heard far and wide.

  • @soksreymom3353
    @soksreymom33532 жыл бұрын

    His speech moves me to tear and break down

  • @PoshIntertainment
    @PoshIntertainment2 жыл бұрын

    So beautifully said and articulated Rob. Embracing death like this makes us appreciate life even more. Easy to see how you got a standing ovation. It was very moving and enlighteneing.

  • @clairesnyman895
    @clairesnyman895 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for a beautiful talk and message of asking what matters to patients, families and caregivers, especially during those moments of death and dying.

  • @vanessabernstein5851
    @vanessabernstein58512 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for such an thoughtful and inspiring talk. Talking about death and dying is such a hard thing to do, but your words really underscore why it is such such an important part of the doctor/ patient relationship. Congrats on a fabulous TED talk.

  • @tubemrezambo
    @tubemrezambo2 жыл бұрын

    amazing talk, Rob. you've touched on the essence of what it takes to be a healthcare professional in difficult situations. Your intention is clear and grand. I could only wish that all our healthcare professionals work with the same degree of compassion and care for their patients. Thank you for sharing your experiences and thoughts with us. You are an amazing human being.

  • @MultiSuzy13
    @MultiSuzy132 жыл бұрын

    Rob, once again you bring me to tears. Your voice and message is so important, and as I told you- I thought of your talk while I was in ICU last month. It was an honor and a privalage to share the stage with you.

  • @avared7512
    @avared75122 жыл бұрын

    Dr. Rob, you are the doctor everyone is hoping for. You are kind and you listen, I talked to you in the beginning of this year, so grateful for you and for your kindness. ❤️

  • @omniacontrariasunt
    @omniacontrariasunt2 жыл бұрын

    he's so right. It touched my heart ❤️

  • @text2324

    @text2324

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank ʏᴏᴜ , ᴛᴇxᴛ stephen' ʜᴇ's ᴀɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴏʀ , ±𝟏𝟐𝟎𝟗𝟗𝟖𝟗𝟏𝟓𝟒𝟖 ʀeɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ 🅑🅣🅒 ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs

  • @nima.tajdolat
    @nima.tajdolat2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you good sir 👍

  • @sworin
    @sworin2 жыл бұрын

    such a good speech

  • @cathylivingston368
    @cathylivingston3682 жыл бұрын

    It does come down to how we care for the ones we love.

  • @text2324

    @text2324

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank ʏᴏᴜ , ᴛᴇxᴛ stephen' ʜᴇ's ᴀɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴏʀ , ±𝟏𝟐𝟎𝟗𝟗𝟖𝟗𝟏𝟓𝟒𝟖 ʀeɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ 🅑🅣🅒 ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs

  • @ananyaborah6993
    @ananyaborah69932 жыл бұрын

    So nicely said.Even till today i am not able to speak normally about my partners death.Really dnt know what is there in the other side but rather the sudden death of someone we love makes us paralysed completely.

  • @sehamalanisi4530
    @sehamalanisi45302 жыл бұрын

    most cutest doctor I have ever seen🌸

  • @bruce0816
    @bruce08162 жыл бұрын

    Just recently I was talking to my mom and I asked how my grandmother (her mom) had passed. She told me she had a stroke in her sleep and went very peacefully. Then she says "that's how I want to go." It kind of caught me off guard but she is 67 now so I suppose it's natural to think that way when you get older. I really do hope she goes peacefully tho. I've seen others go through years of pain before they pass and I wouldn't wish that on anyone

  • @helo2650
    @helo26502 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful

  • @text2324

    @text2324

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank ʏᴏᴜ, ᴛᴇxᴛ stephen' ʜᴇ's ᴀɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴏʀ ±𝟏𝟐𝟎𝟗𝟗𝟖𝟗𝟏𝟓𝟒𝟖 ʀeɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ 🅑🅣🅒 ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs, let him know we referred you

  • @coolbreeze5683
    @coolbreeze56832 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this brilliant presentation. Everyone will need to face death one day so no one should fear or hesitate to talk about it. The amount of time we spend on this earth is a privilege and not a guarantee.

  • @text2324

    @text2324

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank ʏᴏᴜ, ᴛᴇxᴛ stephen' ʜᴇ's ᴀɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴏʀ ±𝟏𝟐𝟎𝟗𝟗𝟖𝟗𝟏𝟓𝟒𝟖 ʀeɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ 🅑🅣🅒 ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs

  • @ChooseCompassion
    @ChooseCompassion2 жыл бұрын

    God I wish all doctors were like him.

  • @routinetherapy35
    @routinetherapy352 жыл бұрын

    To the person who is reading this comment, its okay, its alright to feel lonely sometimes, if you are going through tough times, keep pushing through, but never give up, i wish you great success in health, love and happiness!

  • @allencaruthers867
    @allencaruthers8672 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @Kathleensailorgirl
    @Kathleensailorgirl2 жыл бұрын

    As an oncology nurse I always felt it was an honor to be with the dying patient 🙏🙏

  • @briannab5296

    @briannab5296

    2 жыл бұрын

    As a caregiver most all my life i agree with you Kathleen. I just wish i knew the right words to say to them since my face will be one of the last they see and my voice the last they hear. But many of them lost their hearing a long time ago so that makes it hard to communicate to them. My late husband was unresponsive to words in his last days .. so one day i was quietly holding his hand and gently stroking his arm. . He suddenly spoke out loud & clear "will you PLEASE STOP rubbing my arm!!" .. ummm okay. 😳 It was the last thing he said to me before he passed.

  • @enzostanful
    @enzostanful2 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful Ted Talk.

  • @ChooseCompassion
    @ChooseCompassion2 жыл бұрын

    For almost 9 years in a nursing home my grandmother asked the same question thinking I would have the magic answer about why she was still here?

  • @alberttakaruza5612
    @alberttakaruza56122 жыл бұрын

    Execptional, truly exceptional

  • @ameyer3408
    @ameyer34082 жыл бұрын

    Good for you. I wish all our medics were as brave and thoughtful as you.

  • @Puneetdayal
    @Puneetdayal2 жыл бұрын

  • @monicavaithilingum3921
    @monicavaithilingum39212 жыл бұрын

    I am paed Haem oncologist... and this speaks to the practice I'm involved in daily.... my mantra...". as there is dignity in life, so shall there be dignity in dying!"

  • @ArisProducer

    @ArisProducer

    2 жыл бұрын

    You see. No shock. No engulfment. No tearing assunder. What you feared would come like an explosion is like a whisper. What you thought was the end is the beginning. George Clayton Johnson

  • @py55
    @py552 жыл бұрын

    ليش ماكو ترجمة للغة العربيه حرامات

  • @freesk8
    @freesk82 жыл бұрын

    The worst problems we have now in health care come from government attempts to make things better.

  • @text2324

    @text2324

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank ʏᴏᴜ, ᴛᴇxᴛ stephen' ʜᴇ's ᴀɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴏʀ ±𝟏𝟐𝟎𝟗𝟗𝟖𝟗𝟏𝟓𝟒𝟖 ʀeɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ 🅑🅣🅒 ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs

  • @QueenDawn85
    @QueenDawn852 жыл бұрын

    I'm a 17 year cancer ♋ survivor why am I still here?

  • @QueenDawn85

    @QueenDawn85

    2 жыл бұрын

    I hate my life I have struggled and fought all my fking life to be 37 Year's old I'm wore out tired for my age my life is like anyone else suffering from the economy and mental health depression panic attacks and Anxiety I got use to being alone as a 5 year old child I had to learn to live on my own I don't know what being a kid is high school college yes but not very long what is wrong with me my life needs life support damaged in everyway from childhood trauma..

  • @janetcross5211

    @janetcross5211

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@QueenDawn85 I am listening. I hear your voice. I hear your anger, hurt, disappointment and disillusionment, your rejection and pain. You are not alone. We never are for each one of us is a remarkable unique entity with the capacity to breathe and so breathe our life into reality. All the negativity you have and are experiencing is overwhelming however you have a choice one that only you can make. This makes you the most powerful person you know for taking control of your feelings. The chemistry of your emotions are yours Take a deep breath and sit with this authority; embrace it. If you wish to change your situation go gently, learn to be kind to yourself, good to yourself and please be patient learning to be patient as you grow more accustomed each moment to nurturing yourself. When the world is brutal, unkind, dismissive and isolating it feels cruel, however it is a time to determine who we want to be, and to be who we want to be directing this towards ourselves. When others don’t care, we can learn the lesson most rarely learn, that to be a truly caring person, we must FIRST care for ourselves. Allow the true meaning of gentleness, kindness, goodness and patience grow within us and so we learn the truth about love, first hand … Fill up with this truth and watch your life gently transform. You will be richer than any other person you know and your life will have purpose and meaning Sending you love, pure love and a warm hug for every particle of your being jx

  • @QueenDawn85

    @QueenDawn85

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@janetcross5211 You truly are one of God's Angels 😇 on Earth 🌍 ty very much Appreciated

  • @QueenDawn85

    @QueenDawn85

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@janetcross5211 my life is full of pain I don't know what happiness is or being truly loved

  • @ME-np1cd
    @ME-np1cd2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you doctor for being fully present.

  • @justbeegreen
    @justbeegreen2 жыл бұрын

    This reminds me of the sentiments of Stephen Jenkinson. Great topic.

  • @DanielaZanvetorLaza
    @DanielaZanvetorLaza2 жыл бұрын

    Marvelous words.

  • @arizonanora3621

    @arizonanora3621

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks For Watching❤ Hit me up directly☝☝ For more guidance and advice on investments.

  • @rae7180
    @rae71802 жыл бұрын

    I talk about it everyday because I cannot wait xD

  • @smartypants6198

    @smartypants6198

    2 жыл бұрын

    I want more time in my youth but Id never want immortality here

  • @amarl5023
    @amarl50232 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. 🙏

  • @mohagaming3208
    @mohagaming32082 жыл бұрын

    I'm the first person I don't know what to say in the comment

  • @sarasasa_

    @sarasasa_

    2 жыл бұрын

    Do not comment at all then

  • @huseyincifci3221

    @huseyincifci3221

    2 жыл бұрын

    Exactly...

  • @ruchishukla2878

    @ruchishukla2878

    2 жыл бұрын

    You already said.

  • @therange4033
    @therange40332 жыл бұрын

    We come from the spirit ''world'' and leave to return to the ''spirit'' world. What happens in between is incidental.

  • @mic_plays8313
    @mic_plays83132 жыл бұрын

    Hello

  • @text2324

    @text2324

    2 жыл бұрын

    ᴛᴇxᴛ stephen' ʜᴇ's ᴀɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴏʀ ±𝟏𝟐𝟎𝟗𝟗𝟖𝟗𝟏𝟓𝟒𝟖 ʀeɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ 🅑🅣🅒 ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs, let him know we referred you

  • @nima.tajdolat
    @nima.tajdolat2 жыл бұрын

    Imo I feel like a beach is a better place than a hospital

  • @sandra.helianthus
    @sandra.helianthus2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for being a (true) doctor. (and talking about this important medicine.)

  • @DanFrederiksen
    @DanFrederiksen2 жыл бұрын

    Because the visiting ETs know how it works and we need the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

  • @JohnsDeb
    @JohnsDeb2 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful talk! Thank you for sharing.

  • @soliloquiesbyshailja5416
    @soliloquiesbyshailja54162 жыл бұрын

    Death is an inevitable and an important part of all our lives and talking about it should be as normal as talking about breathing, eating, bathing etc . As Albert Camus said, Living is keeping the absurd alive. Keeping it alive is above all contemplating it”. This is not an ordinary thing to do, because although most people think about their death from time to time, they think about it vaguely, remotely, and don't accept it into their lives as an essential part of their existence.

  • @arian6565

    @arian6565

    2 жыл бұрын

    no it is not inevitable

  • @tonykeith76

    @tonykeith76

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@arian6565 What???

  • @tonykeith76

    @tonykeith76

    2 жыл бұрын

    Very true.. But the thing that shocks me most, is the fact that except in Switzerland and Holland, even in the Western world, no one is allowed to end his life in a dignified way, even in the case of very painful terminal illnesses ... This is not civilization .. It is barbarism

  • @dianarose1361
    @dianarose13612 жыл бұрын

    Love these speeches

  • @captainamerica7209

    @captainamerica7209

    2 жыл бұрын

    Me too, but sometimes I don't understand because my English is not very good :)

  • @SevenHunnid

    @SevenHunnid

    2 жыл бұрын

    Screw college, that’s an L.. I review weed products on my KZread channel as my career👨‍💻

  • @philippebrehier7386
    @philippebrehier73862 жыл бұрын

    2 advices : -Reading Terry Pratchett, especially the cycle of Death in Discworld. -Watching "Ask a Mortician" vidéos on KZread. You're welcome 🌞

  • @ruchishukla2878
    @ruchishukla28782 жыл бұрын

    To me, Death is a very important fact that I try always to be aware of. It reminds the limitedness of life and how it's very much crucial to spend time for meaningful things that really matter.

  • @nancyinthegarden3160
    @nancyinthegarden31602 жыл бұрын

    It needs to b discussed bc it’s inevitable. I talk about to also get my sons used to the idea that I won’t always be here. It’s my last lesson for them and I.

  • @LuizHenqueBurin
    @LuizHenqueBurin2 жыл бұрын

    "Incrível como de fato, as vezes tudo o que os médicos podem fazer é ESTAR com o paciente e dizer: estou aqui com você"

  • @hasanin2683
    @hasanin26832 жыл бұрын

    One day everybody will die.

  • @hasanin2683

    @hasanin2683

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ruchishukla2878 yeah

  • @Skeletal33

    @Skeletal33

    2 жыл бұрын

    Genius!

  • @SATHISHKUMAR-cg1sn
    @SATHISHKUMAR-cg1sn2 жыл бұрын

    Please add subtitles....

  • @text2324

    @text2324

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank ʏᴏᴜ, ᴛᴇxᴛ stephen' ʜᴇ's ᴀɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴏʀ ±𝟏𝟐𝟎𝟗𝟗𝟖𝟗𝟏𝟓𝟒𝟖 ʀeɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ 🅑🅣🅒 ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs, let him know we referred you

  • @jiiiiiiiiin
    @jiiiiiiiiin2 жыл бұрын

    me thinking rn: i hope i can die beautifully when the time comes 🌸 weird...

  • @hannahswrld6738

    @hannahswrld6738

    2 жыл бұрын

    No but like fr huh

  • @sojournerkarunatruth4406

    @sojournerkarunatruth4406

    2 жыл бұрын

    If you want to die in your sleep 😴 👀 well only 1% of the World population, does that, and it’s because an essential organ in the body quit, at night; but they also had to exist through diabetes ( blindness, amputation, poor wound healing) before their last and fatal, exhale 😮‍💨 Most people’s death will probably be physically and/or emotionally, painful 🖤 and preparation medicine *is* *better* than a cure 🩺

  • @susannsofu1979
    @susannsofu19792 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful. Thank you ❤

  • @adventurousloner
    @adventurousloner2 жыл бұрын

    Let's discuss biological immortality and that it is within reach...

  • @seflchat5915

    @seflchat5915

    2 жыл бұрын

    What for?

  • @adventurousloner

    @adventurousloner

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@seflchat5915 For no other reason than, because we can... 😎

  • @tranphuciec
    @tranphuciec2 жыл бұрын

    It was peace, love and happiness that she saw in her last moment. Only with a genuine heart that one could feel such beauty. You are an amazing doctor. Thank you for sharing with us this story to see how precious our live is.

  • @pschoudhary7121
    @pschoudhary71212 жыл бұрын

    One of the Best Talk. 🙌😄❤️💥

  • @hannahswrld6738
    @hannahswrld67382 жыл бұрын

    He sounds like Jordan b Peterson

  • @text2324

    @text2324

    2 жыл бұрын

    ᴛᴇxᴛ stephen' ʜᴇ's ᴀɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴏʀ ±𝟏𝟐𝟎𝟗𝟗𝟖𝟗𝟏𝟓𝟒𝟖 ʀeɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ 🅑🅣🅒 ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs, let him know we referred you

  • @minascholevas
    @minascholevas2 жыл бұрын

    I cried. Really good talk. Thanks for sharing!

  • @sharonjoy6234
    @sharonjoy62342 жыл бұрын

    When is death going to be treated like a blessing when it is

  • @briannab5296

    @briannab5296

    2 жыл бұрын

    For some who die a peaceful death with loved ones with them .. it is a blessing. But for others who aren't as fortunate .. not so much.

  • @mayflowerlash11
    @mayflowerlash112 жыл бұрын

    When people accept and face their mortality they are able to appreciate their living. Life is a gift, rare and wonderful. Be thankful for the gift. Older people are more likely to accept their mortality because they have had a lifetime of experiences. For younger people, dying can be a tragedy. They could feel cheated that they have not had their full measure. I have no answer for this, just the weak suggestion that they did have some life. All of us can only play with the hand we are dealt. Be happy.

  • @arizonanora3621

    @arizonanora3621

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks For Watching❤ Hit me up directly☝☝ For more guidance and advice on investments.

  • @cherylanderson2117
    @cherylanderson21172 жыл бұрын

    Hospice.

  • @text2324

    @text2324

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank ʏᴏᴜ , ᴛᴇxᴛ stephen' ʜᴇ's ᴀɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴏʀ , ±𝟏𝟐𝟎𝟗𝟗𝟖𝟗𝟏𝟓𝟒𝟖 ʀeɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ 🅑🅣🅒 ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs

  • @ammaralshammari7426
    @ammaralshammari74262 жыл бұрын

    Life is a beautiful lie Death is the sad truth, sometimes you can't accept that but it is what it is That's it

  • @text2324

    @text2324

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank ʏᴏᴜ, ᴛᴇxᴛ stephen' ʜᴇ's ᴀɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴏʀ ±𝟏𝟐𝟎𝟗𝟗𝟖𝟗𝟏𝟓𝟒𝟖 ʀeɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ 🅑🅣🅒 ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs, let him know we referred you

  • @captainamerica7209
    @captainamerica72092 жыл бұрын

    Can you add Turkish subtitles ,please

  • @text2324

    @text2324

    2 жыл бұрын

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