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@jorgec.a3123

9 ай бұрын

You forgot the most recent and biggest issue, Gibraltar has no territorial waters and in spite of this the police from Gibraltar and the British navy keep getting in the way of the Spanish police and Spanish navy, with 2 British nuclear submarines having caused problems in recent years. One of those submarines impacted a fishing vessel by accident. Also royal Marines once used the Spanish flag for target practice.

@rosslange1757

9 ай бұрын

Gibraltar very clearly has territorial waters and are recognised as having so by the international community. Why would you think otherwise?

@jorgec.a3123

9 ай бұрын

@@rosslange1757 It does not have any territorial waters as per the treaty of Utrecht and Spain doesn't recognize that they do. They are interfering with our police and navy in our own territorial waters

@rosslange1757

9 ай бұрын

Is Spain part of the UN and does it abide by its conventions? I think it does.

@jorgec.a3123

9 ай бұрын

@@rosslange1757 Yeah Spain is a member of the UN and abide by UN conventions, but Gibraltar has no territorial waters and Spain doesn't recognize them. If you wanna get the UN involved, when will the UK finally decolonize Gibraltar? When will Gibraltar stop being a hub for contraband and drug trafficking? When will Gibraltar respect Spanish immigration laws? When will Gibraltar let our police and navy perform their duties? When will Gibraltar stop being a nuisance to Spain?

Dude the BMW in the Balkans killed me

I mean it’s hard to take the Spanish seriously when they have very similar enclaves in North Africa that they absolutely refuse to negotiate on.

@user-dd1gv3sq8d

9 ай бұрын

yup, never gave it back to us

@robr1032

9 ай бұрын

The main difference is that Ceuta and Melilla have been part of metropolitan Spain before than the modern concept of “Marocco” even existed. Britain took Gibraltar after the formation of Spain, and holds it practically as a colony

@brandonlyon730

9 ай бұрын

@@robr1032 The Marinid dynasty would like a word with you.

@b101uk9

9 ай бұрын

@@robr1032 the area known as Morocco has been ruled by the Alawi dynasty since 1631, Portugal never ceded Ceuta to Spain until 1668, and the Alawi dynasty have always been trying to get it back, so arguments over "metropolitan Spain" or "modern concept of “Marocco”" idiotic hot air, and the title Sultan of Morocco has existed since 1666.

@user-dd1gv3sq8d

9 ай бұрын

@@robr1032 nope, moroco existed befor spain colonised it

It seems that Dutch diplomacy failed. They helped conquer Gibraltar, organised a peace conference in Utrecht, and came out empty handed. Great work.

@mrflibble9783

11 күн бұрын

It was agreed the Dutch could annex Gelderland which was occupied by France. Which probobly seemed a bigger win that the rock at the time.

@user-ts4yf3fe9u

11 күн бұрын

The Dutch don't get swallow up by a combine Frence/Spanish Empire. It is a good power play. Dutch can't hold Gibraltar anyway but England as a Allies controlling a key choke point is leverage in itself.

@rrwholloway

10 күн бұрын

Continued existence isn’t what I would call ‘empty handed’.

When you were referring to shared jurisdiction I imagined you were going to highlight Andorra, which is on paper jointly governed by Spain and France. Thanks for posting this video!

@MagicBrianTricks

9 ай бұрын

More similar to a personal union

@sjeason

15 күн бұрын

I thought Andorra was technically its own principality which governed itself? Although I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s jointly owned sort of thing

@MichaelWerneburg

14 күн бұрын

@@sjeason en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-princes_of_Andorra

@someguy3766

7 күн бұрын

Not really a valid comparison, Andorra is an independent country that simply has two heads of state, one of whom is the President of France, the other is some Spanish Bishop. It is not a territory of Spain or France (or both). A better comparison would be some of the colonial condominiums that used to exist, such as those that were under joint UK-French sovereignty for example. Granted none of those exist anymore. Or Perhaps Egypt, which used to be under Ottoman sovereignty, but was administered by Britain.

Spain: "Nooooo you can't have a peninsula off my territory" Also Spain: "Shut up Morrocco, those are integral parts of Spain"

@toasts3054

7 ай бұрын

The problem is that you see a small piece of land and you immediately think it's stolen or something. Ceuta and Melilla have been spanish in all kinds of terms for longer than the existence of Morrocco as a country. How can you claim what's never been yours in first place?

@toasts3054

6 ай бұрын

@@Red-90 Morrocoy was created in 1956 following my western sources. I don't know what they teach you in a Moroccan school

@toasts3054

6 ай бұрын

@@Red-90 also, you can't just use the word "delusional" every time someone says something you disagree with

@Y.E.O.S

3 ай бұрын

@@toasts3054 💀

@joshuafrimpong244

2 ай бұрын

@@toasts3054 thats cap

I never knew Gibraltar has been British longer than it was Spanish!

@pedritopedrito_

9 ай бұрын

Eso ni siquiera es verdad

@michaelmccomb2594

9 ай бұрын

@@pedritopedrito_how long was it Spanish?

@SuperJibulus

9 ай бұрын

@@pedritopedrito_disprove it then

@MrColaKO

9 ай бұрын

It was part of the Kingdom of Granada before, an integral part of Spain.

@michaelmccomb2594

9 ай бұрын

@@MrColaKO the Kingdom of Granada was founded in what year? Around 1500?

Something interesting to mention, and often overlooked, is the neighbouring town of San Roque, whose oficial title is "donde reside la de Gibraltar", or in English, "where (the city) of Gibraltar resides". The original inhabitants of Gibraltar settled there when the English refused to return the city after the Spanish war of succession, and their descendants still live there to this day.

@littleshep5502

9 ай бұрын

The UK didn't refuse to return anything, they were given gibraltar in exchange for them pulling out of the war

@Finnbobjimbob

9 ай бұрын

Refused to return? They GAVE it to us in exchange for peace?

@yeahokbuddy2510

9 ай бұрын

@@Finnbobjimbobso Spain wants it back. Spain gave it to you British since your military was strong and Spain was dealing with a lot of internal conflicts. Britain took advantage of this chaos and now that the times are stable it’s time to act like adults. Gibraltar is Spanish land historically and forever

@Finnbobjimbob

9 ай бұрын

@@yeahokbuddy2510 Uhhhhh no?

@rosslange1757

9 ай бұрын

I think you mean 'some' of the original inhabitants. Visit Gibraltar and you can certainly find people who trace their ancestry back to 1713 and before.

Demanding negotiations is pointless when the end goals are so diametrically opposed and one side has little leverage. They can have weekly meetings and nothing would happen. Spain will only be happy when they begin to gain control, and Britain has no reason to concede any. It’s an exercise in futility until something alters that balance.

@andmos1001

18 күн бұрын

Well at the very least, the dispute has remained peaceful for a long period.

@ekothesilent9456

10 күн бұрын

Like if Spain gave an ultimatum regarding their NATO status. If Spain left NATO Gibraltar would lose much of its strategic value anyway, it might be a worthwhile, if not, diplomatically damaging gambit.

@ekothesilent9456

10 күн бұрын

Like if Spain gave an ultimatum regarding their NATO status. If Spain left NATO Gibraltar would lose much of its strategic value anyway, it might be a worthwhile, if not, diplomatically damaging gambit.

@Kervath

8 күн бұрын

@@ekothesilent9456 ... If Spain left NATO Gibraltar would gain tremendous strategic value.

@lindseyg9666

6 күн бұрын

the Gibraltar population have had referendums and they wish to remain as a British protectorate.

You should do the conflict over the Russia Kuril island with Japan.

@castlerock58

29 күн бұрын

Japan has no case. When the Japanese Emperor had absolute power, he renounced Japanese sovereignty over the Kurils at the end of WW II. His decision was law in Japan. Japan is now trying to undo the Emperor's order. A country can't give up sovereignty over a territory and then say they were just kidding and demand it back. Russia can't just say to the US that it made a mistake and wants Alaska back. If Japan ever attacked Russia, it would probably get nuked again. They should stop whining about it.

Oh my gosh, it’s the rock!

@eastgermanballguy332

9 ай бұрын

da rok :O

@nikolozgilles

9 ай бұрын

**Vine boom**

@albertomunoyerro5562

9 ай бұрын

Best spanish rock

@thejoelfromjonkoping

9 ай бұрын

I hate that you added that in

@snazzydares8787

9 ай бұрын

@@albertomunoyerro5562shouldn’t have singed it away then in 1713

“Much like a BMW in the Balkans” 🤣

Great video! I will never shut up about how awesome and magnificent of a place Gibraltar is!

Fun fact: when the Olympics were on I used to always think the GBR acronym with the Union Jack was for Gibraltar. 😅

Very interesting piece of history. Thanks for sharing

Good video as always

I can see why all three sides stand where they do. I’m guessing things won’t change anytime soon either.

I'm going there in a month 😆Very timely video for me. Thanks for the work.

Another Great Video!

Here’s a sub ur one of my fave KZreadrs now

Thanks for the informative information thanks as always

I just came back from Gibraltar the other day! It was such a lovely blend of cultures from my home of England/UK but yet very different in other kind of Spanish reminents of previous culture.

Great video

"At least my vehicles in War Thunder are safe" For now m8

3 hours early. Great video 😊

USA: “how come we don’t have Gibraltar?” USA 2: “we have Gibraltar at home” Gibraltar: *Guantamono Bay*

@occam7382

9 ай бұрын

USA: "Ohhhhh, right. I forgot we had that."

@LuisCarlos-cs3zq

9 ай бұрын

In reality, the United States does recognize that territory as part of Cuba, which refuses to abandon it and terminate the lease contract.

@augustuslunasol10thapostle

9 ай бұрын

Guantanamo bay is cuban territory leased by the US

@indian-tech-support

Күн бұрын

Nope you are just really crap tenants

I REALY LIKE THIS GREAT VID EVEN BETTER IS THE FUN SPIN ON IT.

It was signed over in a treaty, perhaps that should be honoured. If you signed over the rights to your car and twenty years later decided you wanted it back because it had gone up in value, you would be told "tough".

I’m curious about what are some of the other issues with sharing, like what would need to be contrôlée by each government

(But will they?) No Didn't bother watching the video with such an absurd premise.

Very cool video

No border was defined in the treaty giving Gibraltar to Britain. Britain drew a line determining tbe border. Now there's one.

"Whenever the British bayonet is poking me in the back, I like to play warthunder" 😆 😆

This is a well made, balanced and informative introduction to a complex situation.

Very nice

you had me with 'The Rock'

"But also calm my nerves as all my belongings are sent to the British museum. " 😂🤣

Give me a break. Spain has two enclaves/colonies on the North African coast

@Gemstone-o6l

16 сағат бұрын

They are not colonies

@nosirve9458

9 сағат бұрын

Comparing Gibraltar to Ceuta and Melilla is pure ignorance. Anyone who does so is demonstrating ignorance. Why? First, Ceuta and Melilla are "territorios metropolitanos," meaning they are just like any other city in Spain. Ceuta was previously Portuguese before becoming Spanish, and Melilla was part of the Carthaginian Empire, the Roman Empire, Visigothic Hispania (now Spain), the Byzantine Empire, and lastly, the Muslim Empire. It was abandoned by its inhabitants and was reoccupied by Spain in 1497 after being found occupied by pirates. Ceuta and Melilla were part of Spain long before Morocco was officially formed in 1956. Even if we consider the earlier Baladi dynasty, which can be regarded as "old Morocco" and was established in 1666, Ceuta and Melilla had been part of Spain for over 200 years in that time. Historically, there is no justification to argue that Ceuta and Melilla are part of Morocco or that they are colonies. I hope this helps clarify the key differences between Gibraltar, a colony, and the Spanish metropolitan towns, Ceuta and Melilla, and why the UN considers Gibraltar a colony but not the other two. If anyone still disagrees, I strongly encourage them to read more about it. Cheers.

I've visited Gibraltar, an amazing place, nothing about it other than the weather is spanish. Its feels very British, it was very odd walking across the border one minute I'm in Spain the next I'm seeing British Police, union Jack's, Boots the chemist, Morrisons, signs in English, old school London Buses, 3 pin electrical plugs, British war memorials. British Saliors. Its England with a slightly mediterranean twist. The will of the people of Gibraltar must be respected.

@MrYahboo

9 ай бұрын

That may be how it appears to visitors but the Gibraltarians are neither British or Spanish in character although they have more in common with Spanish people than Brits, I would say and Spanish (or 'Llanito') is the preferred language, for sure.

@martinrye712

9 ай бұрын

​@MrYahboo what a load of utter nonsense

@johnborland6954

9 ай бұрын

​@@MrYahboomaybe you are right about their culture, but the people of Gibraltar want to be aligned with the UK not Spain.

@MrYahboo

9 ай бұрын

@@johnborland6954 absolutely. I'm not saying any different.

@metaphysicalfuck

9 ай бұрын

​@@johnborland6954you may be right, but history repeats itself and the UK only cares about Gibraltar for the strategic control. Their people are not a concern at least politically

When’s spain gonna return the 12 peninsulas they have in Morocco then

@plusultra4961

13 күн бұрын

when they become a 1st world country where people would not rather commit suicide at sea than live in there

I enjoy that you have a British sense of humour 🤣

"The Rock"

Very first line... "...known for its great food..." Where's the 'great food' in Gib? I'd love to know, given that I work there.

If exclaves are bad, North Africa would like a word with Spain.

@jorgec.a3123

9 ай бұрын

It's not the same, not at all. To begin with Gibraltar is a recognized colony while Ceuta and Melilla are recognized Spanish land.

@twestgard2

9 ай бұрын

@@jorgec.a3123 “recognized” in what way and by whom? Here’s what I recognize: Gibraltar is on the Iberian peninsula and is close to exactly one country: Spain. UK took it and is holding it expressly because it’s militarily useful. The neighboring countries recognize that they’re at a military disadvantage because having a foothold on land is a huge advantage in a war. Basically all the same things are true of the Spanish exclaves which are… where? Next to what country? These answers are not Spain. And yes, my own country the US has a list of the same or similar problems. I’d be a fool to try to defend those territorial possessions while criticizing others for the same behavior. Whether it’s Gibraltar or Melilla or Hawaii, these are all military threats to foreign countries, and that’s the type of “recognition” that matters.

@jorgec.a3123

9 ай бұрын

@@twestgard2 Britain isn't a military threat to Spain dude, we are NATO allies and have quite a friendly relationship. What are you on about? You've only shown your utter ignorance about how the world works. Gibraltar is internationally recognized by the UN as a territory pending decolonization, aka a colony. Ceuta and Melilla are internationally recognized by the EU, UN and NATO as Spanish territories part of the country of Spain, they aren't exclaves and they aren't colonies. So maybe educate yourself before saying stupid things online, yes?

@twestgard2

9 ай бұрын

@@jorgec.a3123 Or how about you do some learning. Usually Americans are the ones with no historical scope. NATO is only 74 years old; Britain took Gibraltar from Spain 319 years ago and for most of that time Spain and Britain have been starkly at odds. For that matter, Spain was literally still a fascist country run by an ally of Hitler and therefore not part of NATO until 1982, making your argument that Spain and Britain are longtime BFFs pretty absurd. Beyond that, the NATO treaty isn’t even an attempt to resolve these internal conflicts, all it does is freeze them in place. Every NATO country is still jockeying for position because everyone involved is perfectly aware that treaties come and go all the time, and nobody wants to be the defenseless fat grub on top when the protective cover comes off. And beyond that, Spain and the UK still engage in competition and it’s kept quiet because both sides benefit diplomatically by not having a public spat. That doesn’t mean they always get along. Other than that, lol, sure buddy.

@jorgec.a3123

9 ай бұрын

@@twestgard2 you are seriously trying to lecture me about my own country? Typical American stupidity. Yeah buddy you lot of democracies left the Spanish republic alone during the civil war and thanks to that and American cooperation with Franco's regime we were under a dictatorship for 40 years , we've been a democracy for well over 50 years now and nobody said anything about Spain and UK being BFFs , I said that Spain is a NATO member and one of the lost relevant members of the EU on top of that we have good and friendly relationships with all of western Europe including the UK. So yeah again how about you educate yourself before saying such BS. We in Spain couldn't care less about Gibraltar by itself, what we care about is the fact that their police and the royal navy keep meddling in the matters of our police and navy that they don't respect our waters, that they keep.untergefing with the work of our police and navy, that they don't respect environmental laws that apply in the whole of their Mediterranean and we are the ones who have to do the cleaning up, that they are a tax safehaven, that they aid smugglers and drug dealers and a long list of offenses.

I’ve never been so interested in buying war thunder than when you told me it could distract me from the British colonizing my house

@GrassyHills202

9 ай бұрын

I could certainly use that! ''HEY JIMMY IT TIME FOR MURICA!!!!!''

@tomirk4404

9 ай бұрын

First time?

Share territory almost never works in world history

@aksmex2576

7 күн бұрын

Andorra.

@dennis771

5 күн бұрын

@@aksmex2576 it’s insignificant and small

The amusing thing is while yes its a problem that needs resolving. The current status quo serves all three goverments needs perfrectly. Spain doesnt need to staff and man a naval base in that area also no need to station significant naval units either, which means they save a ton of money, the gibraltans get rich of beening a tax haven and generally being left alone by everyone who isnt spanish or british,(its one of the only places the EU and UN tried and gave up finding a solution)(which is impressive in its self), the british get control of a major trade route, and a nice big rock in a perfect place to park warships to deal with the med. the other thing to note is spain does call on the RN thats based in gibralta when it needs help in dealing with dodgy ships passing the strait. which happens often. Usually if you see the patrols speed of from their berths its to confront a ship or deal with distress beacons. But personally im impressed that its apart of a arguement that both countries have been having for nearly 500 years. its literally worse than the rivalry of france and britian.

@robertofulton

8 күн бұрын

It’s not really a problem that needs resolving though. 2 sides out of three consider the situation to be resolved…..thus it’s resolved.

Great video!

Hilarious ad, loved it as a brit!

As a Brit I think the UK should claim all the land north of Gibraltar, it's clearly part of Gibraltar, and whoever lives there would have a hard time disagreeing with that view point. Spain belongs to the UK.

@jesusbermudez6775

9 ай бұрын

You are very right. Britain should own the whole of Europe. Why just Europe, why not the whole world?

@sophiefrancis8295

9 ай бұрын

@@jesusbermudez6775Pa! We don’t just want planet Earth but the whole universe too! Every planet should be British!

@Kaiserthgsgkiyrsfhiiy

9 ай бұрын

​@@jesusbermudez6775the world would be far greater if ruled by the British

@jesusbermudez6775

9 ай бұрын

If this were so why did so many countries became independent from British rule?@@Kaiserthgsgkiyrsfhiiy

@jesusbermudez6775

9 ай бұрын

Yes, it should be. What I ask is why when the British ruled over many countries they were not happy and wanted independence? @@sophiefrancis8295

ur graphics with the faces look similar to a game i used to play

Was that Dave at the end?

I missed a minute in the video talking about Gibraltar's behavior. Gibraltar has been a tax haven, a paradise for smugglers, drug and arms dealers. It houses thousand of offshore companies and hosts lots of online gambling businesses. It also regularly spills from refueling ships. People living in Gibraltar have become very wealthy due to these advantages and their existance sucks potential from their surrounding Spanish area. I wouldn't care less about sovereignty, but I would love Gibraltar to be an integral part of the UK inside the Single Market like Northern Ireland so there could be no check points between Gibraltar and Spain, with free movement and no shady activities being performed in The Rock. But Gibraltarians would never allow for it because their wealth comes from remaining a tax haven.

@FriedrichBarb

13 күн бұрын

Never heard of something more incorrect/outdated in my life, you still speak as if its the 1960s-1990s, Police technology has progressed to a point where these are no longer issues, and if you think there isnt more smuggling across the rest of South Spain then thats laughable. Any serious crime is nearly non-existent in Gibraltar As for Tax haven, Andorra is also a Spanish tax haven, I dont see the surrounding economy affected, likewise with Switzerland or Luxembourg, so is generally a excuse and skill issue for La Linea

@joefer5360

12 күн бұрын

@@FriedrichBarb Lmao. Look at the Gibraltar resident defending their criminal racket.

@FriedrichBarb

12 күн бұрын

@@joefer5360 Im serious usually I enjoy political arguements, but in this case youre just 100% saying lies that you have 0 idea about, I was born and raised in Gibraltar and there is a gigantic middle class who make the majority who do not participate or even see any criminality of the sorts mentioned above whatsoever. Andorra is also a tax haven and it does not affect surrounding areas, the Spanish dont critique it because its a Spanish microstate

@JM-iq5up

11 күн бұрын

@MrColaKO , I am from Gibraltar , and at one point in time smuggling was prevalent , but one thing that you should come to realise is that there is high unemployment rates in La Línea , and the smuggling has fed families on both sides of the border for decades ! Smuggling initially started with commodities such as sugar when the border closed and then tobacco once the border was opened. With regards to your comments on drug dealers , possibly there are some, I won’t disagree, but maybe if you took a walk down London or puerto Banus in Marbella on a Friday or Saturday evening you might come to realise that drugs are an issue that plague most countries on the planet, in fact , most drugs are smuggled into Gibraltar ! As Gibraltar is so small it is hard for organised crime groups to have large quantities of drugs stored in Gibraltar, as law enforcement agencies would snuff them out rather quickly … your comment on arms dealers is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion , maybe you could evidence this claim somehow ? I agree with your comment about the offshore betting companies and the bunkering , but then again there is a massive oil refinery just across the straight of Gibraltar and a large port. (Apart from Valencia this is where a lot of narcotics enter Europe .. there are plenty of articles with regards to this point online). Gibraltar generates funds within the surrounding area due to tourism, hence, the new hotels/rentals opening on the Spanish side of the border. Looking forward to your response ! :)

@FriedrichBarb

9 күн бұрын

@@JM-iq5up ​ You make many good points that are true and I agree with. The main point I feel youre missing though is that this comment was purely from one of the few Spanish Nationalists that hate Gibraltar and Llanitos, that use this part of our past as propaganda to lie and claim that *the vast majority* of our economy is from only crime, which is just total bs obviously and puts a very ugly bad reputation for Gibraltar. Its a part of our History that we should be ashamed of or at least not proud, but youre right when you say its an international issue.

It isn’t for the UK government to decide, its the decision of the Gibraltans to decide. In the last 2 referenda they wanted to remain British by a majority of over 90%

“COZ IT’S ON OUR TURF!” basically.

This is a great explanatory video of why Gibraltar is British 👍

My Spanish friends told me, if UK really wants to do something impressive, it should give Gibraltar to Portugal. That would make them very happy, trust me.

@VictorLdVS

9 ай бұрын

They can't, they can only give it back to Spain

@aloxpeexd302

9 ай бұрын

A a spanish i prefer even germany or USA with the control of gibraltar than the uk

@VictorLdVS

9 ай бұрын

@@aloxpeexd302 Ni de coña hermano, Estados Unidos es lo peor que le ha pasado a España

@littleshep5502

9 ай бұрын

​@@VictorLdVSthey could, if gibraltar so wanted. Gibraltar could also fully integrate into the UK, or declare independence

@VictorLdVS

9 ай бұрын

@@littleshep5502 They can't, in the treaty of Utrecht it was stipulated that Gibraltar could be only a British colony and that in the event that this rule was not respected, the rock had to be immediately ceded to Spain.

Now do Olivença between Spain and Portugal

The people of Gibraltar voted against joining to Spain.

came here from kaliningrad's server lol

When looking at Gibraltar (nice) and compare it to La Línea (slum) there is no wonder why the population wants to belong to UK.

@MrColaKO

9 ай бұрын

La Línea is the result of a parasitic economy created by Gibraltar including tobacco and drug smuggling.

@JorgeHernandez-ko5bb

16 күн бұрын

ignored

@JorgeHernandez-ko5bb

9 күн бұрын

you mean the slums in Leed,s Manchester, Hull, etc? why are british pensionists / nomads going to Alicante instead of radiant full british Gibraltar?

@CountScarlioni

9 күн бұрын

@@JorgeHernandez-ko5bb Because your economy is desperate for the tourist money. Spain is constantly trying to bribe in the British with endless UK ad campaigns and subsidised deals. Ever heard the phrase "never bite the hand that feeds you"?

@SnorriTheLlama

2 күн бұрын

@@JorgeHernandez-ko5bbBecause they are cheaper and sunnier?

Supposedly if the Barbary Macaques (originally from Morocco) ever leave Gibraltar, then the British would. This was feared to becoming true when the population was down to 10 at the beginning of the 20th Century. By 1942 the population was only 7 so Churchill ordered several be imported from Morocco to increase the population and gene pool. Hmmm, would Spain be willing to trade Catalonia and Basque independence for Gibraltar?

"Much like a BMW in the Balkans..." 🤣

How do you define "resolving" the issue? Because as far as the British (including the Gebraltarians) are concerned, it's been resolved for over 300 years. What has Britain or the people who live in Gibraltar got to gain from any of these negotiations? To stop Spain constantly complaining? Somehow I don't think that's worth it.

its kind of funny how Spain at the same time refuses to give up its own Gibraltars in Morocco

@novedad4468

9 ай бұрын

It is definitely interesting but their are also key differences. Spain didn't expell anybody in Ceuta or Melilla, Ceuta was inherited from Portugal and Melilla was an abandoned city back then. Those cities were conquered before some of it's peninsular territories. Spain is territorially close to said cities, not thousands of miles away. At the time of it's conquest, colonialism was not yet a thing. I think those characteristics make it arguably a different scenario.

@occam7382

9 ай бұрын

@@novedad4468, "At the time of it's conquest, colonialism was not yet a thing." What? What are you talking about? Colonialism has been a thing for millennia! It was a thing since the days of the Ancient Greeks! What the hell are you smoking, dude?

@novedad4468

9 ай бұрын

@@occam7382 chill out, "dude". It's a 200 word Yt comment, not a thesis dissertation, ofc there's gonna be some simplifications. But I think we can all agree that the transoceanic European colonialism of the Modern Age was different than the Phoenician, Ancient greek, Arab or Norse colonialism. Even Early and late European colonialism have little to do with each other. With that context, for late middle age Iberians the concept of a metropoli and a colony did not apply to their conquests in North Africa, same as it didnt for Turks in the Balkans or Cyprus. Hell, the Irish territories of The Pale and the Angevin empire had more of a colony than Melilla ever did.

@xabitron

9 ай бұрын

they are rightfully spanish cause they were originally pobalyted by Portuguese and then handed as a gift, they have been spanish since medieval times it's not the same

@jorgec.a3123

9 ай бұрын

​@@occam7382Ceuta and Melilla are internationally recognized as Spanish land, Gibraltar is considered a colony by the UN

These two countries will be playing against each other in the Euro Cup Final.

About 100 years ago, the British built six runways in my backyard, then they got rid of four of them and made two much longer. Now they have a plane land every 48 seconds. It’s noisy living near Heathrow

That was a good one took awhile but a good one non the less. I never realized that area was in dispute. Hell, I didnt even know it belongs to England. So thanks again for bringing to light another one of the world's weird territorial oddities. That's what I like about your channel, you find little things like this.

@colinallen8924

8 ай бұрын

It does not belong to England; it is a UK Overseas Territory.

The British isles do have some very good beaches in the summer so that's not that surprising

You restore my faith in KZread.

No matter where you go THE CROWN WANTS ITS TAX

Spain has seven enclaves on the Morrocan coast. As part of their campaign to annex Gibraltar, Spain supported Argentina's invasion of the Falkland Islands. By the same argument, Spain should surrender its colony of the Canary Islands. And don't get me started on Mallorca...

@DiegoGarcia-en4sf

8 күн бұрын

The Canary Islands is a colony? Please, don't make me laugh. The islands were uninhabited before settlement and they have been an integral part of Spain for centuries, more than proper parts of Spain.

@Matt-tx1tc

7 күн бұрын

@@DiegoGarcia-en4sf We can affirm that the ancient colonization of the Canary Islands (Archaic Berber culture) was initiated by the 6th century BC in El Hierro, La Palma, La Gomera, Tenerife and Gran Canaria. Lanzarote and Fuerteventura, according to other archaeological data, were colonized since the 10th century BC. The conquest of the Archipelago began in 1402 when Jean de Bethencourt and Gadifier de La Salle, in the name of His Majesty Enrique III, raided the islands of Lanzarote, Fuerteventura and El Hierro and they were annexed to the Castile Kingdom. Fernán Peraza did the same in La Gomera. You Spaniards will lie right to all of us eh? Now of us are buying it. Talk about calling the fucking kettle black

@Eltriocalavera6522

6 күн бұрын

Tell me about Mallorca

@jimroberts3651

2 күн бұрын

@@DiegoGarcia-en4sf They were inhabited before the Spanish took them over. The locals were related to the Berbers of North Africa.

It should belong to the persian empire glory to Eranshahr.

@NativeVsColonial

9 ай бұрын

What? From where did Persia came here? The Morocco may have some rights in Gibraltar, but Iran?

@atrebuchet5267

9 ай бұрын

This is true it is clearly rightfully a part of the independent economic kingdom of anarchist Atlantis.@@NativeVsColonial

British before 'Spain' existed.

Gibraltar: *1)* has never been a threat to Spain. *2)* it has been British longer than being Spanish.

Wonder why Marocco doesn't want to take part in the dispute 🤣

@DiegoGarcia-en4sf

8 күн бұрын

Because they are two different cases. Gibraltar was robbed, Spain has Ceuta and Melilla way before the country of Morocco and Moroccan identity were created

@Matt-tx1tc

7 күн бұрын

@@DiegoGarcia-en4sf Robbed? Lost in a war and gave away in a treaty is a stretch from getting "robbed"

@moatazyacour9971

6 күн бұрын

​@@DiegoGarcia-en4sfbroo goo to the library and learn the true history hahhahaha morocco ( al maghrib al aqsa ) existed before spain and ceuta and mellila were part of him

@SnorriTheLlama

2 күн бұрын

@@DiegoGarcia-en4sfThey are two different cases because you want to justify them as such, whilst the two have some key similarities. Both involve a local population that identifies more closely with the culture and nationality of a far away mainland, instead of the country right next to them that they share a land border with. The inhabitants of both, which were also born there, want to remain with their current national identity. If Spain is smart, they will build closer ties so Gibraltar inhabitants become more closely aligned with them over a generation or two. They should probably start that right about now, or ideally 50 years ago. Would resolve a lot of political headaches for the UK if the people of Gibraltar wanted to join Spain, so the ball is in the Spanish court to win the local opinion.

@nosirve9458

9 сағат бұрын

@@moatazyacour9971 Comparing Gibraltar to Ceuta and Melilla is pure ignorance. Anyone who does so is demonstrating ignorance. Why? First, Ceuta and Melilla are "territorios metropolitanos," meaning they are just like any other city in Spain. Ceuta was previously Portuguese before becoming Spanish, and Melilla was part of the Carthaginian Empire, the Roman Empire, Visigothic Hispania (now Spain), the Byzantine Empire, and lastly, the Muslim Empire. It was abandoned by its inhabitants and was reoccupied by Spain in 1497 after being found occupied by pirates. Ceuta and Melilla were part of Spain long before Morocco was officially formed in 1956. Even if we consider the earlier Baladi dynasty, which can be regarded as "old Morocco" and was established in 1666, Ceuta and Melilla had been part of Spain for over 200 years in that time. Historically, there is no justification to argue that Ceuta and Melilla are part of Morocco or that they are colonies. I hope this helps clarify the key differences between Gibraltar, a colony, and the Spanish metropolitan towns, Ceuta and Melilla, and why the UN considers Gibraltar a colony but not the other two. If anyone still disagrees, I strongly encourage them to read more about it. Cheers.

You forgot to mention that Spain doesn't push the matter that much because they have similar lands in north africa that would be very vulnerable to reverting to the countries they are connected to.

@ignaciocriado

8 ай бұрын

If you’re referring to Ceuta and Melilla, please read a book. They have been Portuguese/Spanish for more 400 years, founded by Spaniards way before the Moroccan state even existed.

@Hilts931

8 ай бұрын

Spain actually agreed to hand over Gibraltar to the British, though. Morocco didn't.@@ignaciocriado

@ignaciocriado

8 ай бұрын

@@Hilts931 How can they get something back if they were never Moroccan to begin with. Very briefly: Ceuta was Portuguese since 1415, then Annexed to Spain (along with all Portuguese territories) in the XVI century. When Portugal got independence (1640), Ceuta remained a Spanish territory as an autonomous city. Melilla is Spanish since 1497, conquered by Pedro de Estopiñan for the Kingdom of Castilla. The integration in the Spanish nationality dates for more than 400 years, well before the Kingdom of Morocco was born as is. Even during Spanish-French protectorate (1912-1956), Ceuta and Melilla were not considered part of it, as they were judged Spanish.

@Hilts931

8 ай бұрын

@@ignaciocriado yes but Spain can’t demand something back it actually gave away. That’s different to a territory that was never ceded in the first place.

@MoroccoCountryballs

7 ай бұрын

Morocco does not existed at that time is absurd argument, the marinids were definetely a moroccan state since their capital was fes (moroccan city) and then when portugal took ceuta morocco was ruled by wattasids altough decentralised definetely existed as moroccan state. And Moroccans defeated the portuguesd and agreed to cede Ceuta but one portuguese guy said guess I will die and the peace treaty got shut down. Also Ceuta is nothing different than Tangiers and Mazagan who were taken fir hundereds years by portuguese but that do not mean they arf not moroccan and alaouite and saadian dynasty still claimed the city as their Moulay Ismael kept seiging the city till his death and so did subsequent monarchs after him. The area is also populated by local muslim population with riffain origin ( AdelKrim Khattabbi wanted to liberate Mellila) who at the very least do not mind joing morocco. Spain has tried to claim it has four culture but jewish and laughably enough hindu one disappeared, only riffains and descendants of spaish settlers are here. If you want an account of what Ceutans really think about Spain just see the statue of the Conqueror of Ceuta being vandalised frequently and other spanish monuments as well. Let alone inhuman treatelents of Arab merchants like slaves Plus Fransisco Franco promised to give Ceuta and Mellila independence alongside Spanish Morocco and even built a mosque there but he have not kept his word Finally, a joint sovereinty is the definite answer as the city will benefit greatly from opening trade with Morocco and integration into Africa rather than being a enclave dependant on Spanish imports and everybody will be happy now tge two cities are in a dire situation suffereing from a blockade from both side and it will also stop the flux of immigrants or at least make it more manageabke curently Immigrants are treated very very badly

Spain signed this away in perpetuity. It’s therefore only if the Gibraltaress wanted rejoin Spain that it would be possible.

Spain "we want our land back" Morocco "dude, you know i can hear you right wtf?"

Spain,”Hold a referendum and prove the people don’t want us”, UK, “OK”. The people vote and 99.9% vote to remain British. Spain, “Not good enough, it was too close.”

@MrYahboo

9 ай бұрын

Not that I support Spain in this dispute but that never happened..

@tSp289

9 ай бұрын

Meanwhile 51.9% is an overwhelming majority and a clear mandate.

@ProjectEkerTest33

9 ай бұрын

@@MrYahboo Yes it did? In 2002 there was a referendum in Gibraltar and 98.97% voted to remain under British sovereignty

@MrYahboo

9 ай бұрын

@@ProjectEkerTest33 he must have edited his post. It didn't say 99.% before. It was probably just a typo but that's what I was picking up on.

@ProjectEkerTest33

9 ай бұрын

@@MrYahbooThere's no "(edited)" so I don't think he has

Have they ever considered total integration into the UK? anyway seems they like the Manx/Channel Islander/Falklander status deal.

@uingaeoc3905

9 ай бұрын

It is in fact a British Overseas Territory. as is Falklands along with 14 other outposts. The Manx and Channel IIsanders are Crown Colonies, different status.

@MichaelSidneyTimpson

9 ай бұрын

true@@uingaeoc3905

@michaelmccomb2594

9 ай бұрын

There has been some consideration for this in the recent Parliamentary debate on Overseas Territories. This would give Gibraltar an MP and thus a voice in the British Parliament. However, it may also reduce the power of the Parliament of Gibraltar, which is effectively self-governing, apart from defence and foreign relations.

Like Argentina, been British before Argentina existed …

@gustavju4686

8 күн бұрын

This is different as Spain did exist already 😅

When will Spain return the territories on the North African coast?

@diegogonzalezpico7141

9 ай бұрын

Well UK ddnt accept the condiions for having that land. Which means tht they are not allowed to have it. While Spain didt do that

@pablotheScot56

9 ай бұрын

@@diegogonzalezpico7141 ah diddums, Mr Colonial Occupier of land you have no right to occupy. You will never get Gibraltar back no matter how much crying you do. The Treaty was for perpetuity, which means forever.

@nosirve9458

9 сағат бұрын

Return ? To who? What country?

If you want it back Manuel ? Try and take it back !😂😂😂

What dispute?

There is a tiny naval base there with two old patrol boats. It’s hardly a base. The biggest earner on the Rock is the drug money laundering that happens through the online gambling companies, it’s common knowledge and the accounts are very loosely audited by the four big accountancy firms who are also vey aware of the practices.

I find it funny spain want Gibraltar but same time dont want to give baxk the 3 small plot of land it has in morroco

@oscarpena7285

10 күн бұрын

They are not in the same contexts

@blob22201

10 күн бұрын

​@@oscarpena7285 cry harder Spaniard

@robertofulton

8 күн бұрын

@@oscarpena7285you are right the Spanish have no claim to Gibraltar, they gave it up. They do still have a claim to their territories in Africa.

@oscarpena7285

8 күн бұрын

@@robertofulton United Nations has Gilbraltar as a colony pending to be decolonized, Ceuta and Melilla are not in that list. So yes, it’s not the same.

@Matt-tx1tc

7 күн бұрын

​@@oscarpena7285 Better give Catalan constitutional rights back then. Those were given away in the trade for Gibraltar.

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@meritianus2076

9 ай бұрын

pero qué dices pinfloi

@stargazer-elite

9 ай бұрын

And we Americans love our family countries 🇺🇸🇻🇮🇵🇷🇲🇵🇬🇺🇦🇸 ❤️🇨🇦🇬🇧🇦🇺🇳🇿

@meritianus2076

9 ай бұрын

@@stargazer-elite Decolonise Puerto Rico first, and then we'll talk about "families"

@stargazer-elite

9 ай бұрын

@@meritianus2076 I wasn’t talking to you

@meritianus2076

9 ай бұрын

@@stargazer-elite lmao don't care

Spain should cave a an artificial trench to make Gibraltar an island. Then at certain point a bridge will be needed, then they will create it and ask for taxes to use it. Then UK will have to pay for ever taxes to Spain.

@robertofulton

11 сағат бұрын

@@superturro or they build their own bridge and force the Spanish to pay taxes to use it.

So many counties have issue with UK controlling Gibraltar. But not a single word about all of the French Colonies scattered around the world.

Sooo just British doin British things

Being from Gibraltar myself I can guarantee the rock will NEVER be Spanish, no Gibraltarian wants to be part of Spain & honestly, I rather die in a war with Spain than hand over my homeland. thankfully that will never happen but one of the main reasons we don't allow Spain to step all over us is simply because they haven't particularly treated us very well, with Constant bulling, long queues, the closing of the frontier, rocks thrown at our cars among other things. not all Spaniards are like this, I just want us to get along & stop fighting over lines on a freaking map.

@billyjoeguy640

9 ай бұрын

Sadly for yourself, you can’t guarantee anything. Just like how I can’t guarantee Spain will ever get Gibraltar back, you can’t just say that Gibraltar will forever be Britain’s submarine repair dock. And if you actually didn’t care about lines on a map and instead cared about getting along, you wouldn’t ironically say that you’d rather die fighting Spain than join Spain. Isn’t it your wish to “stop caring about lines on a map” anyways? That’s one less line in the world to worry about. What mental gymnastics you had to do to come up with such a ludicrous mentality is beyond me.

@georgiewalker5826

9 ай бұрын

What he is saying is that he wants to have a good relationship with Spain but does not want to become part of Spain, what is crazy about that. Do you want your country to become part of the USA? Would you be ok with becoming the US's 51st state since you don't care about "lines on a map"@@billyjoeguy640

@Jeracraft

9 ай бұрын

@@billyjoeguy640 First of all Gibraltar is not just a submarine repair dock, Gibraltar has a diverse economy based largely on tourism, online gambling, financial services, and bunkering. & trust me OfCourse , I can guarantee that Gibraltar will always be British, because I live here & I know what I'm talking about, if 99% us voted to remain British and are passionate about it, Then the only way Gibraltar would ever be Spain's would be by force & I highly doubt that Spain would be willing to go to war with its own allies, therefore if it did come to that then yes I would rather die in a war, if Spain came in guns blazing. I don't know what's so difficult to understand. If someone came to your country and wanted to take over & change your nationality by your logic that should be okay because you don't care about lines on a map, your argument is just nonsensical. It's like saying you want peace, so you let any oppressor take over, where is the logic in that. 🤦‍♂

@billyjoeguy640

9 ай бұрын

@@Jeracraft You absolutely do not know what you’re talking about. You know who else said the same exact thing as you? The Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh. The Palestinians in palestine. The Ukrainians with Crimea. And more relevantly, the REAL Gibraltarians before 1707, before the land was colonised by the UK. And what are you saying, that I like peace by bending over to autocrats? Last time I remember checking a source, aka the video, Britain had nothing to do with the land before 1707, whereas the actual locals lived there since ancient times, as the video says, if you actually watched the thing. Seems like you haven’t. Last thing; if you really think that an oppressor coming over to your land and taking it by force is not okay, which it isn’t, then you should know better and get out of Gibraltar with your anti-Spanish sentiment. By your own logic, that land isn’t your own, which I fully agree with. P.S. it Makes no sense to say “I’m British, therefore I know better” by the way. That’s straight up nationalism. I’m not British, but I’m Canadian. So am I automatically dumber than you? According to your flawed logic, yes.

@Jeracraft

9 ай бұрын

@@billyjoeguy640 What are you trying to achieve here? are you saying you want all 40 thousand Gibraltarians to leave Gibraltar so Spain can take over, because they owned it like 300 years ago? By that logic then it should be the moors that own the rock not Spain, the moors where the first settlers of Gibraltar before The Muslim occupation was permanently ended by the Spanish in 1462. You are utterly insane, what happened 300 years ago is irrelevant. what matters is the people living here now and what they want. You're talking about having an "Anti-Spanish sentiment" as If I don't have Spanish relatives & friends that very well agree with what I am saying 🤦‍♂ this has nothing to do with hating Spain. You are the one hating on the people of Gibraltar. You can't just come up to me and say I have no right to be here. When I was born, raised and have lived here my entire 31 years of life. I am ending this discussion here. it's not up for debate. I think Canada has more issues to deal with, maybe you should focus on your own country and ill focus on mine, thank you very much. good luck ✌

They can try: Gibraltar stays with the UK but the Uk has to give Northern Ireland to Spain

@robertofulton

8 күн бұрын

Can we give them the Scottish too?

@loganjeffrey4136

4 сағат бұрын

​@@robertofulton I would that means I can just move to Spain lol

There is nothing strange, except it british. Spain has two towns in North Africa who want Spain out, but when the Spanish given them back THEY ARE NOT.

Clearly it’s belong to the glorious Arstotka.

One of the pressing issues between Spain and Gibraltar are the waters aroudn the rock. Spain says the Utrech treaty only allowed the land of Gibraltar, never the waters that surround it. This is even a greater issue when Gibraltar laws allows for things foribidden by Spain or the EU, like the refueling of ships between them on the sea instead of refuiling at a port. This allow for murky oil of unkwon origin to be transfered between tanquers and ships, with the highly risk of spill over. In fact a few months ago one of this refueling at sea practices spilt A LOT of oil into the sea that affected mostly spanish beaches and waters. This obiously infuriated Spain as they are getting poluted by a neighbor that doesn't give a fuck about it

@adamlakeman7240

9 ай бұрын

So Spain is a colossal hypocrite considering the staggering environmental damage its fishing fleet famously do in British waters where they laugh off the concept of a "closed season" and swarm nesting grounds the moment British ships leave? Got it.

@t.wcharles2171

9 ай бұрын

However the treaty is overruled by the international law of the Sea in which no country or territory may have a 'dry coast' and thus Gibraltar by law must have territorial water.

@littleshep5502

9 ай бұрын

However, due to UNCLOS, Gibraltar has territorial waters, with the UN overruling the treaty of Utrecht. Same reason why gibraltar could become independent should it so desire

@jorgec.a3123

9 ай бұрын

​@@t.wcharles2171But Gibraltar doesn't have any territorial waters or airspace, it's all Spanish

@littleshep5502

9 ай бұрын

@@jorgec.a3123 Gibraltar has both its own airspace, and three miles of territorial waters, both confirmed by the UN

I thought he was lying when he mentioned good food

Gibraltar has belonged to Britain for longer than it was ever a part of Spain.

В конце концов, это зависит от жителей Гибралтора: если они хотят остаться в Великобритании, тогда не должно быть проблем, нет смысла обострять что-то, чего можно легко избежать.

@VeronQZ

9 ай бұрын

Это испанский, они не говорят ни на каком другом языке, единственная причина, по которой Великобритания хочет сохранить его, хотя бы ради прибыли, если бы он был бесполезен, Великобритания оставила бы его, как и все другие свои колонии.

@Valencetheshireman927

9 ай бұрын

⁠@@VeronQZGibraltar speaks English. It doesn’t particularly profit the British to keep a small territory like Gibraltar except as a military base. It’s more valuable to the Gibraltarians themselves to maintain the relationship as they don’t have to pay for defence costs

@baileygregory9192

9 ай бұрын

​@Bulga-121gu have you actually ever been to the rock or spoken to any of the vast majority speak English as a first language. I mean your not wrong when you say they speak Spanish too butthat is as a second language that they are fluent in. The vast majority of the island is pro british and against being part of britian and why would they want to be a part of a nation like spain

@baileygregory9192

9 ай бұрын

​@Bulga-121gu have you actually ever been to the rock or spoken to any of the vast majority speak English as a first language. I mean your not wrong when you say they speak Spanish too butthat is as a second language that they are fluent in. The vast majority of the island is pro british and against being part of britian and why would they want to be a part of a nation like spain

@baileygregory9192

9 ай бұрын

​@Bulga-121gu have you actually ever been to the rock or spoken to any of the vast majority speak English as a first language. I mean your not wrong when you say they speak Spanish too butthat is as a second language that they are fluent in. The vast majority of the island is pro british and against being part of britian and why would they want to be a part of a nation like spain

Everyone forgets the 4th option a sovereign Gibraltar beholden to no nation, part of the eu with a treaty of gauarantee of protection from both the EU and Britian. BASICALLY, spanish/british monaco....

@tedrash7402

9 ай бұрын

He says in video why independence its not likely

@RadarLeon

9 ай бұрын

@@tedrash7402 oh I know I wrote my comment before that portion