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Simulating the Evolution of Rock, Paper, Scissors

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Sinervo, B.; C.M. Lively (1996). "The rock-paper-scissors game and the evolution of alternative male strategies". Nature. 380 (6571): 240-243.
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  • @salxrn
    @salxrnАй бұрын

    key takeaway from this video: the best strategy in life is to do random stuff and hope it works

  • @EEEEEEEE

    @EEEEEEEE

    Ай бұрын

    ‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎E

  • @MrRast0r

    @MrRast0r

    Ай бұрын

    This is an undeniable truth since Fredderick (a Goldfish) outperformed NASDAQ.

  • @jobkorn4085

    @jobkorn4085

    Ай бұрын

    no the key is not to be to extrem in one property. I believe this would be healthier like that but economy forces us to be imbalanced to get rewarded

  • @littleclover7426

    @littleclover7426

    Ай бұрын

    I think that sounds about right, because like, isn't that what evolution is? Very slowly sexually selecting for the strategy that survives? Be that random or just, hey it's easier to get seeds than bugs? (Like in birds)

  • @glowingfox704

    @glowingfox704

    Ай бұрын

    I just do everything I can think of (good and bad ideas) and hope they all work. I think it has so far?

  • @Jocaolinita
    @JocaolinitaАй бұрын

    as a geologist, you see these ternary plots literally everywhere in literature

  • @minimando99

    @minimando99

    Ай бұрын

    I’m a geologist too 🎉

  • @timothymclean

    @timothymclean

    Ай бұрын

    Ternary plots are so handy. More people should use them.

  • @BeaglzRok1

    @BeaglzRok1

    Ай бұрын

    L O A M

  • @Chiberia

    @Chiberia

    Ай бұрын

    I had to look this up, because, as a computer scientist, we use "ternary" as a conditional operation - that is, choosing a value based on whether another value is true or false. yay for engineering consistency!

  • @susiek4593

    @susiek4593

    Ай бұрын

    Who is sandy loam and why do you keep talking about her?/j

  • @theMuBot
    @theMuBotАй бұрын

    When I learned about side-blotched lizards, one of my first thoughts was "this sounds more like a Primer video than a real organism."

  • @hopepope6573

    @hopepope6573

    29 күн бұрын

    finally, a comment about those guys.Deep look made a video about them pretty please watch it when you have the time.

  • @b1bbscraz3y

    @b1bbscraz3y

    29 күн бұрын

    all I know is them lizard are throat goats

  • @theMuBot

    @theMuBot

    29 күн бұрын

    @@hopepope6573 Clint's Reptiles also did a video including them recently!

  • @Purely_Andy

    @Purely_Andy

    26 күн бұрын

    @@b1bbscraz3y what.

  • @Wendy_O._Koopa

    @Wendy_O._Koopa

    4 күн бұрын

    In some countries, they play _"Janken pon,"_ totally different! /s

  • @cobytang
    @cobytang29 күн бұрын

    "0:04 If you're unfamiliar with Rock, paper, scissors" What are the things that people who don't know rock, paper, scissors have been living under??? It's certainly not rocks.

  • @MisterAssasine

    @MisterAssasine

    27 күн бұрын

    Perhaps they are the lizardfolk and live under Spocks

  • @John-gr5tx

    @John-gr5tx

    27 күн бұрын

    They are geologists. Covered in papers Studying rocks.

  • @HappyBeezerStudios

    @HappyBeezerStudios

    25 күн бұрын

    @@John-gr5tx what they do wrong is licking the rocks, crumbling the papers, and digging with the scissors.

  • @mcaiesterin8676

    @mcaiesterin8676

    24 күн бұрын

    ​@@John-gr5tx nice a tbbt reference

  • @Laynes_FYLA
    @Laynes_FYLAАй бұрын

    5:33 "Let's actually skip drawing the blobs" Me: 🥺 5:36 "Okay, still some blobs" Me: 😊

  • @eadbert1935

    @eadbert1935

    Ай бұрын

    he knows his audience too well :D

  • @victorfunnyman

    @victorfunnyman

    26 күн бұрын

    real

  • @wesleysilveira5692

    @wesleysilveira5692

    20 күн бұрын

    lmao fr

  • @brickDOTbrock

    @brickDOTbrock

    20 күн бұрын

    LITERALLY ME

  • @zeldaking13
    @zeldaking13Ай бұрын

    For the last part the saying "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but still often better than a master of one." rings very true

  • @FinnishArsonist

    @FinnishArsonist

    Ай бұрын

    One thing interesting about this quote is that I would consider the jack of all trades a master of something - a master of versatility, which is kind of what this full version of the quote is going for.

  • @mrosskne

    @mrosskne

    Ай бұрын

    that saying is false, specialization overwhelmingly dominates biologically and economically

  • @xMysticMia

    @xMysticMia

    Ай бұрын

    @@mrosskne only in specialized environments. If the environment changes, like which is the case here with scissors alleles transforming into rock alleles, then versatility (and the ability to adapt, in a biological point of view) seems to have the upper hand.

  • @mrosskne

    @mrosskne

    Ай бұрын

    @@xMysticMia In all environments.

  • @arkdirfe

    @arkdirfe

    Ай бұрын

    @@mrosskne The saying might imply the master of one to be completely inept in anything else, which just gets you extinct in the evolutionary context. Baseline capabilities are required to reach your specialization's potential.

  • @palipanda9768
    @palipanda9768Ай бұрын

    13:05 "I was confused in front of ALL twenty people who were watching" You're a gem, mate! hahaha

  • @divabhardwaj6381

    @divabhardwaj6381

    3 күн бұрын

    I mean, imagine being in public and doing something embarrassing in front of 20 whole people😭 That’s like classroom size

  • @user-ie3kq9uk4y
    @user-ie3kq9uk4yАй бұрын

    I think the blobs would make perfect stress balls, can that be a thing?

  • @JACandQuill

    @JACandQuill

    29 күн бұрын

    Agreed

  • @Gilvala

    @Gilvala

    24 күн бұрын

    take my moneyyyy

  • @TSPxEclipse

    @TSPxEclipse

    21 күн бұрын

    Nooooo why would you squeeze them! Make it a huggable 3ft tall plushie instead :D

  • @larsatticus6807

    @larsatticus6807

    21 күн бұрын

    There's a plushie on the website!

  • @user-cd4bx6uq1y

    @user-cd4bx6uq1y

    18 күн бұрын

    He already did the plushies, was expecting whether or not I'll see a comment like that lol, people think alike

  • @luigiawesome6587
    @luigiawesome6587Ай бұрын

    "Okay, maybe some blobs" and then there's 3 blobs (the blobs are really cute by the way) just kind of sitting there, relaxing.

  • @doginrefrigerator

    @doginrefrigerator

    Ай бұрын

    that blobs enjoy watching how others fight for live

  • @VonThallis

    @VonThallis

    Ай бұрын

    He knows we come for the knowledge and stay for the blob

  • @ishu4227

    @ishu4227

    Ай бұрын

    5:36 Way too many blobs to count: 💥💥💥⚔⚔🪨📰✂ 🔴🟡🔵:🍿🍿

  • @benundead2198

    @benundead2198

    Ай бұрын

    I do absolutely love those little blobs

  • @BazilYat

    @BazilYat

    29 күн бұрын

    @@VonThallis Or possibly the other way around!

  • @genius31415
    @genius31415Ай бұрын

    When are we getting the sequel with Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock?

  • @PrimerBlobs

    @PrimerBlobs

    Ай бұрын

    I thought about this, but a 5-simplex plot is a little hard to draw. :(

  • @merlijnfolkerts3066

    @merlijnfolkerts3066

    Ай бұрын

    @@PrimerBlobs scissors cut paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and rock crushes scissors.

  • @midnight4685

    @midnight4685

    Ай бұрын

    @@PrimerBlobs Do you think it'd follow the same pattern? From what I got in the video, I assume it would, but I'm curious as to whether the added variables might influence it in some way.

  • @floppy8568

    @floppy8568

    Ай бұрын

    @@PrimerBlobs It's technically a 4-simplex, also known as a Pentachoron (you know, 1D digon, 2D trigon, 3D tetrahedron and 4D pentachoron)

  • @kristinborn8882

    @kristinborn8882

    Ай бұрын

    @@merlijnfolkerts3066 I love the wording on this

  • @SamuraiPipotchi
    @SamuraiPipotchiАй бұрын

    Something about the phrase "If you want to use fancy words, which I do" just felt so relatable to me

  • @xem1p
    @xem1p28 күн бұрын

    Who said we dont use rock paper scissors to compete for food in nature? Thats like the most common method seen in my school cafeteria

  • @MicronationPenguin

    @MicronationPenguin

    19 күн бұрын

    Same

  • @Wendy_O._Koopa

    @Wendy_O._Koopa

    4 күн бұрын

    There are few places more _unnatural_ than a school cafeteria...

  • @b2n136
    @b2n136Ай бұрын

    the brown blob waving at the end was so cute my heart melted

  • @that_tvhead

    @that_tvhead

    Ай бұрын

    hello mine turtle

  • @AnneMarcyandsashaVlog-md9ev

    @AnneMarcyandsashaVlog-md9ev

    29 күн бұрын

    Yeah! Absolutely adorable!

  • @BinglesP

    @BinglesP

    28 күн бұрын

    Timestamp is 14:33 🤎

  • @Frimpa-MJEB
    @Frimpa-MJEBАй бұрын

    Today I learned normal type pokemons can be useful

  • @knopfir

    @knopfir

    Ай бұрын

    well, there isnt anything implying normal types are the neutral strategy. normal types are stuck in their own rock-paper-scissors triangle, theyre only neutral in the face of unrelated triangles like fire-water-grass

  • @Megumin_Random

    @Megumin_Random

    Ай бұрын

    @@knopfirNormal isn’t super effective to anything, so technically they aren’t even in a rock-paper-scissors relationship. They do get better move-type diversity, but it’s not really that useful.

  • @farfa2937

    @farfa2937

    Ай бұрын

    Just like the brown blobs, they do nothing particularly well and suck to use, but (besides fighting) nothing does particularly well against them so they're a pain to deal with.

  • @XenithShadow

    @XenithShadow

    Ай бұрын

    Not quite true a "normal" type blob would infact send it self to extinction as it would function the same way the brown blob does except that is always copies the opponents choice resultsing in it always get 0.80 every encounter until it should eventually drive its self to extinction. A better anolgy would probably be dragon since it "beats" the presumable type triangle by not being able to lose.

  • @rambam791

    @rambam791

    Ай бұрын

    So ez 4 me- Machamp 2024

  • @MrJdubs14
    @MrJdubs14Ай бұрын

    This is also a perfect example of analyzing eigenvalues to evaluate stability of a system. Assessing your matrix (with all values subtracted by 1 to make the matrix a proper system of ODEs that tracks *changes* in population) pre- vs. post-tie punishment, you can see that the real eigenvalues go from 0 to negative, which indicates a shift from unstable (spiraling towards and around the edges forever) to stable (spiraling towards the center and staying there). Though, for the 0 eigenvalue case, a perfect system maybe should have forever spiraled around the middle of the triangle without reaching the edges. I think the introduction of noise and random fluctuations makes the system less stable, spiraling outwards instead. Thanks for a cool video!

  • @EricSmith-dx1ll

    @EricSmith-dx1ll

    28 күн бұрын

    Linear differential equations are used for predator-prey calculations. Eigenvalues are used in those 2d cases. This is the same problem expanded to three dimensions where there are coupled predator - prey relationships

  • @DanielGrydin
    @DanielGrydinАй бұрын

    warning at 1:10, almost got hit by a rock, barely dodged

  • @vampirecat8256

    @vampirecat8256

    28 күн бұрын

    Barely saw it in time, thank you

  • @bravecrab5047

    @bravecrab5047

    23 күн бұрын

    Dayum thanks bro, I can't imagine what would've happened if it wasn't for yuh😱😳 I mean, I gotta go to work on Monday, can't die from some random rock rn🤧

  • @kennyholmes5196
    @kennyholmes5196Ай бұрын

    Fun fact, the "brown" strategy is actually an evolutionarily stable strategy specifically because it is a Generalist one that can take control of all the niches when they pop up! Abundance of Scissors? Generalists have the tools to exploit them by going Rock. Abundance of Paper? Generalists can hit them with Scissors pretty much immediately. Abundance of Rock? Paper usage wallops them back down from the Generalists. They win out because they are prepared for any situation, and as a result, can win in any situation.

  • @brutusthebear9050

    @brutusthebear9050

    Ай бұрын

    Which, incidentally, is why humans are the best animal by far. Because we are the most generalist, we can actively think of new strategies to compete in nature, rather than having it ingrained in us.

  • @itsmenatika

    @itsmenatika

    Ай бұрын

    ​That's also why brain and consciousness was created. Learning during time and adaption during life time are beneficial​@@brutusthebear9050

  • @ethanrutevillarreal1506

    @ethanrutevillarreal1506

    Ай бұрын

    I think you missed the point. The browns never won nor lost against the specialist strategies because they could only win 1/3 of the time, draw 1/3 of the time, and lose 1/3 of the time. This is true against any opponent they fought, and therefore their population didn't depend on the others. It's not like they could exploit all niches, it's that they didn't exploit any niche, but weren't hurt by any special strategy either.

  • @nbboxhead3866

    @nbboxhead3866

    Ай бұрын

    @@ethanrutevillarreal1506 the browns couldn't exploit any niches, but they didn't have the problem of tieing often, which all the niches had, which resulted in niches being worse than the browns.

  • @driftwisp2797

    @driftwisp2797

    Ай бұрын

    @@brutusthebear9050 You're underselling animals a lot. They're pretty smart and learn and adapt well. They just don't have written language to accumulate institutional knowledge with, which is what lets us do science.

  • @Pridestein2009
    @Pridestein2009Ай бұрын

    I've been waiting for this moment for years... a new Primer video on Rock Paper Scissors of all things! Love it! One thing I'm especially interested in is if more gestures were added. Imagine Lizard or Spock in blob form!

  • @PixlGamr906

    @PixlGamr906

    Ай бұрын

    Fr

  • @EEEEEEEE

    @EEEEEEEE

    Ай бұрын

    E‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎

  • @kubastachu9860

    @kubastachu9860

    Ай бұрын

    a new Primer video on blobs is enough to make my day

  • @Fire_Axus

    @Fire_Axus

    Ай бұрын

    your feelings are irrational

  • @juliadavies6653
    @juliadavies6653Ай бұрын

    0:09 Not for some reason! paper beats rock because it used to be cloth. the same cloth which flung stones from slings, stayed stones as embroidery, and dragged heavy stones in a process called heaving.

  • @kvmilos.tomaszek

    @kvmilos.tomaszek

    Ай бұрын

    Oh, never knew that! Interesting

  • @TheSadster

    @TheSadster

    28 күн бұрын

    I only knew about paper covering rock not the whole cloth thing lol

  • @Muho_is_me

    @Muho_is_me

    26 күн бұрын

    ​@@TheSadster yeah me too

  • @starp7675

    @starp7675

    23 күн бұрын

    papercut

  • @SirSmuggler

    @SirSmuggler

    10 күн бұрын

    In my language (swedish) it's rock, scissors, bag (translated to english obviously). The bag can hold the rock but the scissors cuts the bag. Bags being primarily made of cloth, it makes sense I guess 😊

  • @jonarbuckle2894
    @jonarbuckle289422 күн бұрын

    I would add in behaviors to each one. Rock could play it safe only playing against those who have 1 or less paper choices at a penalty to its food intake, paper could go for food above all else searching specifically for wins and ties, and scissors could play aggressive seeking out the nearest opponent no matter what they throw. Id love to see that simulation.

  • @SusDoctor
    @SusDoctorАй бұрын

    See you guys again in a year.

  • @mjb7015

    @mjb7015

    Ай бұрын

    Happy Primer day! 🎉

  • @IRules2244

    @IRules2244

    Ай бұрын

    Commenting to remind me when it’s a year from now.

  • @tom-ment-Capybara

    @tom-ment-Capybara

    Ай бұрын

    😭😭😭

  • @sock_sti

    @sock_sti

    Ай бұрын

    💀

  • @197inch3wheelelectricforklift

    @197inch3wheelelectricforklift

    Ай бұрын

    Who else attending Primer Day Anniversary next year?

  • @jursamaj
    @jursamajАй бұрын

    4:35 Rather than skewing the graph, realize that it's *already* an equilateral triangle, just in 3 dimensional. It's the plane that goes thru (1,0,0), (0,1,0), and (0,0,1), with every position containing any negative values cut away.

  • @wrpen99

    @wrpen99

    Ай бұрын

    It's a right triangle, not an equilateral.

  • @Endless-fire

    @Endless-fire

    Ай бұрын

    @@wrpen99 no no, it's equilateral. But from the projected angle it looks like a 2D right angle. In 3D space it's equilateral.

  • @Jocaolinita

    @Jocaolinita

    Ай бұрын

    @@jursamajI had never noticed that! it's an incredible way to visualize this graph

  • @wrpen99

    @wrpen99

    Ай бұрын

    @@Endless-fire It's still a 2D triangle, there's no projected angle here. Measure the distance from points (0,1) and (1,0) on a graph, it will be longer than the lengths of the other two sides

  • @pfk-137

    @pfk-137

    Ай бұрын

    @@wrpen99 what they're is saying that you can imagine a 2D right triangle as a projection of a 3D equilateral triangle. The distances between the points (1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0) and (0, 0, 1) are the same. When projected to the xy plane these points become (1, 0), (0, 1) and (0, 0) and takes the appearance of a right triangle. it's really quite simple

  • @bean9786
    @bean978626 күн бұрын

    I'm glad when you mention being surprised by results. It makes me more confident making guesses and engaging with the video more attentively, because I don't feel as stupid when I'm wrong most of the time knowing even someone who does this all the time could get it wrong.

  • @satisfactiongamer7385

    @satisfactiongamer7385

    20 күн бұрын

    At least you know you are some people don’t know they are.

  • @MoempfLP
    @MoempfLPАй бұрын

    A simulation about product quality would be interesting. If high quality products cost more but last longer, will the seller gain or lose market share? What about planned obsolescence, is it beneficial?

  • @m.h.6470
    @m.h.6470Ай бұрын

    The reason why "paper beats rock" is usually, "because it envelops it and rock can't move".

  • @desertdesk

    @desertdesk

    Ай бұрын

    Implying that rocks normally try to move lol

  • @that_tvhead

    @that_tvhead

    Ай бұрын

    i have always imagined a piece of paper simply slipping on top of the entire rock, but not enveloping all the other sides

  • @Vospi

    @Vospi

    Ай бұрын

    I'd say "it wraps around it, making it softer"

  • @b43xoit

    @b43xoit

    29 күн бұрын

    Paper covers rock.

  • @user-er2nh8yh3v

    @user-er2nh8yh3v

    29 күн бұрын

    @@Vospi yes.

  • @PrimerBlobs
    @PrimerBlobsАй бұрын

    If you want to play with the system yourself. Here's a desmos calculator that does the pure-strategy simulation and puts it on a ternary plot. It's a little different because it assumes an infinite population, and so you will see some subtle differences in the results. www.desmos.com/calculator/lmx7hy2dai

  • @kvmilos.tomaszek

    @kvmilos.tomaszek

    Ай бұрын

    I love that you share such things! Definitely worth checking out

  • @randomdosing7535

    @randomdosing7535

    Ай бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @takenname8053

    @takenname8053

    Ай бұрын

    I never thought I could have fun with Desmos...

  • @aqwkingchampion13

    @aqwkingchampion13

    Ай бұрын

    Not sure if this eventually happens at lower speeds, but if you crank the speed up to near 1, the population just shoots off the graph in the direction of on of the ends (I’ve had it fly off after going from scissors to rock and going down the x-axis away from paper, and do the sam from paper to scissors and flying away from rock). It was funny.

  • @AnneMarcyandsashaVlog-md9ev

    @AnneMarcyandsashaVlog-md9ev

    29 күн бұрын

    Thx

  • @nategoatchild2507
    @nategoatchild250727 күн бұрын

    I think it's interesting how much farther this simulation went than most of your other ones. Such a simple premise having so many iterations and tweaks, I admire your commitment and and I enjoy your work.

  • @ShinYamiZakura
    @ShinYamiZakura28 күн бұрын

    I'm always both amazed and inspired by the clarity of the visualisations on this channel, and how they perfectly enhance the understanding of the narration.

  • @ElectricalSmith
    @ElectricalSmithАй бұрын

    The 'winner take all' strategy almost looks like a logarithmic spiral (or almost a golden spiral) with some bounds. Interesting.

  • @EricSmith-dx1ll

    @EricSmith-dx1ll

    28 күн бұрын

    It is actually a solution to a set of linear differential equations. The eigenvalues of the reward matrix decide the shape of the population graph

  • @mjb7015
    @mjb7015Ай бұрын

    It's 11:48 at night, I have to be up in the morning, but here I am watching Primer as soon as I got the notification

  • @RaqiiCat

    @RaqiiCat

    Ай бұрын

    Damn for me it’s morning 😅

  • @RaqiiCat

    @RaqiiCat

    Ай бұрын

    Like really early for me-

  • @circuitgamer7759

    @circuitgamer7759

    Ай бұрын

    It's 10:20 in the morning, I should've been asleep two hours ago (my schedule is 27 hours long, so it drifts per day), but here I am watching Primer as soon as I got the notification.

  • @user-fc3jq5cm5w

    @user-fc3jq5cm5w

    Ай бұрын

    10:20 here... What time zone are you in?

  • @mjb7015

    @mjb7015

    Ай бұрын

    @@user-fc3jq5cm5w GMT+10, Australian Eastern Standard Time.

  • @crownedeagle2000
    @crownedeagle2000Ай бұрын

    Awesome video! I remember seeing this kind of stuff in dynamical systems, but your presentation is so much more approachable while still preserving the key takeaways about how these systems behave!

  • @jameslincs
    @jameslincs28 күн бұрын

    Lots of effort went into this video. Fascinating stuff you crazy man

  • @saram3604
    @saram3604Ай бұрын

    Great video! Cannot wait for the plushies to be restocked. I need all of them!

  • @PrimerBlobs

    @PrimerBlobs

    Ай бұрын

    I also cannot wait

  • @dx243_

    @dx243_

    Ай бұрын

    @@PrimerBlobs also you said stuff about how you dont want ur computer to explode, what are the specs of your pc

  • @hiranpeiris877

    @hiranpeiris877

    Ай бұрын

    @@PrimerBlobs 65rgf

  • @joezhao850

    @joezhao850

    Ай бұрын

    I only have one

  • @aaronconner1440

    @aaronconner1440

    28 күн бұрын

    @@PrimerBlobsSame! I can’t wait to act out some physical simulations with them!

  • @the_reconnaisant
    @the_reconnaisantАй бұрын

    Babe wake up primer uploaded!

  • @EEEEEEEE

    @EEEEEEEE

    Ай бұрын

    E‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎

  • @dwsel

    @dwsel

    Ай бұрын

    Yay 🥳🎉

  • @cameoshadowness7757

    @cameoshadowness7757

    Ай бұрын

    I'm up! Im up!

  • @doodidood

    @doodidood

    Ай бұрын

    It's been 84 years

  • @elizabethgonzalez2770

    @elizabethgonzalez2770

    Ай бұрын

    🎉

  • @mushforbrains
    @mushforbrainsАй бұрын

    These videos are always so relaxing and fascinating to watch! Keep up the great work!!

  • @user-rm2qj2jh4l
    @user-rm2qj2jh4l29 күн бұрын

    These videos are so cool! Really interesting and I love the pretty design and colors and the cute blobs :D Thank you!

  • @handcannon
    @handcannonАй бұрын

    i just found your channel 5 minutes ago and seeing that this video was posted 37 minutes ago after 6 months is insane. i love your videos man, thanks

  • @tachrayonic2982
    @tachrayonic2982Ай бұрын

    One thing I'd consider is adding in some form of 'territory', where related blobs are more likely to interact with each other. Perhaps this could increase stability by limiting how effective a small change could reach the entire population. It would be cool if we got to see cyclic fronts of population change.

  • @thehans255

    @thehans255

    Ай бұрын

    You could probably do that with location as an explicit parameter - the blobs live in a 2D plane and there are a finite number of mango trees. Maybe the blobs live for 2 or 3 days total, and each day, can choose to either eat at the current tree or move to a different one nearby.

  • @life-destiny1196

    @life-destiny1196

    Ай бұрын

    @@thehans255 This has interesting applications for the prisoner's dilemma, too. Which, I suppose, is almost the same problem as this one already.

  • @tulliusexmisc2191

    @tulliusexmisc2191

    Ай бұрын

    If you make interactions local, the game becomes a cellular automaton. If I remember correctly, you can create a grid of squares with multiple states, where each state beats and replaces the previous one, loses to the next, and draws (no change) with everything else. When you get about 6 states or more, you usually see spirals that cycle through all the states, and gradually spread and overwhelm smaller spirals.

  • @thehans255

    @thehans255

    Ай бұрын

    @@tulliusexmisc2191 I think I remember seeing that. You would probably end up with different, more stable behavior if you factored in the slight penalty for getting a tie, since that makes ensuring that fights have winners is better for the total success of the population than getting ties is.

  • @crystaldragon1811
    @crystaldragon181127 күн бұрын

    These are pretty cool, so I hope you're able to continue making these! I started watching these a few years ago when I was just interested in the blobs and the mathematics, but now I'm very interested in biology, plants specifically, and I LOVE seeing when plants evolve and mutate (leaf variegation, changes in petal shape & color, etc). I can't afford to donate yet, so for now I'll comment and then go browse the shop

  • @PushyPawn
    @PushyPawn27 күн бұрын

    No matter what colors anyone eats, all that is left is brown. That was more intuitive than I expected.

  • @MasterTramsYouTube
    @MasterTramsYouTubeАй бұрын

    Coincidences can be funny, can't they... Just last night, I was watching a video about the UK election that mentioned one of your videos, so I spent this morning watching back all your stuff, and then you upload this just a couple of hours later!

  • @kvmilos.tomaszek

    @kvmilos.tomaszek

    Ай бұрын

    Our of curiosity, what video about the UK elections was that? 😀

  • @MasterTramsYouTube

    @MasterTramsYouTube

    Ай бұрын

    @@kvmilos.tomaszek Matt Parker's bad election charts video.

  • @JohnyRedstar
    @JohnyRedstarАй бұрын

    You don't have a slithest idea how interesting this videos are. They helped me so much!

  • @moomoobeef
    @moomoobeefАй бұрын

    PRIMER IS BACK!!!!

  • @domestic_canary
    @domestic_canary22 күн бұрын

    Thank you for your videos! I learn something new everytime I watch them

  • @THEO-ou4dg
    @THEO-ou4dgАй бұрын

    This is the perfect video at the perfect time for me to procrastinate to. Thank you Primer!

  • @KunoichiLoL
    @KunoichiLoLАй бұрын

    No way, thats the same topic I got for my bachelor thesis in math. (without mixed strategies tho) Got to combine evolutionary game theory, which was a really fun topic, with stochastics (approaching the model with Markov Chains). The theory from Markov Chains gives a lot of explanations for the phenomena seen in the video, for example the absorption probabilities (one strategy reigning supreme) aswell as the expected time until that happens in the non-mutating scenario, and the repetitive cyclic flow as a stationary distribution in the mutating scenario. Another really interesting thing without mutations is "Survival of the Weakest". In the Markov Chains model, but also in reality, for example with E.coli microbes, the strategy that "punishes" its "prey strategy" the least (for example if scissors would only keep 1.5 mangos and give 0.5 mangos to paper, while paper and rock keep the 2 mangos on their wins), usually wins out in the end due the predator strategy being extinguished by the prey strategy they left alive. Perfect example for "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". (The article about the E.coli microbes is called "Survival of the weakest in non-transitive asymmetric interactions among strains of E. coli", if anyone is interested)

  • @downloadjpg

    @downloadjpg

    Ай бұрын

    wow! survival of the weakest is an interesting term. having just finished a couple linear algebra courses, i kept guessing changing the parameters would change the outcome due to "something something determinant i've added the paper to my reading list, but can i ask how you handled reproduction? curious if they can also be modeled with markov chains or similar structures.

  • @michaelwalpole2208

    @michaelwalpole2208

    Ай бұрын

    Bachelor's thesis? Did you go to Reed College?

  • @KunoichiLoL

    @KunoichiLoL

    29 күн бұрын

    @@downloadjpg Reproduction wasnt really important in the article I got for my thesis, it instead dealt with it in the way that the individuals would swap strategies and turn into an individual of another strategy, leaving the total population unchanged throughout the whole simulation. It basically functions the same as with offsprings, as long as 2 offsprings are born for each "battle for the mangos". :D

  • @KunoichiLoL

    @KunoichiLoL

    29 күн бұрын

    @@michaelwalpole2208 Nope, I studied (still study) in germany

  • @michaelwalpole2208

    @michaelwalpole2208

    29 күн бұрын

    @@KunoichiLoL Ah, that makes sense. It's unusual to be required to write a thesis for one's bachelor's degree in the U.S., hence my inaccurate guess, but I presume it's normal procedure in Germany.

  • @algorithminc.8850
    @algorithminc.885022 күн бұрын

    I love this channel - one fun bit after another. Thanks for the video. Cheers.

  • @Treporos
    @Treporos29 күн бұрын

    your videos are always so interesting, thank you for making them

  • @joaoteixeira3202
    @joaoteixeira3202Ай бұрын

    14:32 You could also call it a Nash Equilibrium. A Subgame Perfect Nash Equilibrium, to be extra fancy.

  • @user-yi7yj1kz9g
    @user-yi7yj1kz9g27 күн бұрын

    It's always a good year when primer uploads 🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

  • @Waffle_6
    @Waffle_6Ай бұрын

    love your videos glad to see another one is finally out

  • @conordoyle3921
    @conordoyle392129 күн бұрын

    Great Video! Really cool seeing those patterns emerge!

  • @Iseenedyou
    @IseenedyouАй бұрын

    When I first found this channel I basically binge watched all your videos

  • @kvmilos.tomaszek

    @kvmilos.tomaszek

    Ай бұрын

    Haven’t we all 😂

  • @thatonedynamitecuber
    @thatonedynamitecuberАй бұрын

    Primer's back with a new banger

  • @Wava-ob5ng
    @Wava-ob5ng22 күн бұрын

    your video editing skills are incredible, what a treat to watch!

  • @AndrewDangerously
    @AndrewDangerously28 күн бұрын

    Very intuitive visuals, great work! Huge fan.

  • @PGF1892
    @PGF189228 күн бұрын

    1:19 No mango? 🥺 No offspring? 🥺

  • @LethalAssassin
    @LethalAssassinАй бұрын

    This is literally what happened in the Rock, Paper, Scissors tournament lol

  • @Tom-os7io
    @Tom-os7io25 күн бұрын

    Aaaa, I love your vids, they’re the best! They are so informative and really teach me lots of cool things!

  • @unuisance
    @unuisance18 күн бұрын

    Glad to see another Primer video

  • @kaifireborn7594
    @kaifireborn7594Ай бұрын

    In my local version of the game, you have a "well" instead of a "rock". It makes sense that paper beats well, because it can cover it up, while scissors fall down. Guess it makes sense with paper "hiding" a rock too

  • @downloadjpg

    @downloadjpg

    Ай бұрын

    i've never heard of other versions! can i ask where you're from or what language you speak?

  • @user-uu4kz8sr5i

    @user-uu4kz8sr5i

    Ай бұрын

    В странах СНГ тоже, бывает, говорят и про камень и про колодец =)

  • @artsenor254

    @artsenor254

    Ай бұрын

    I'm curious as well. Where I come from (France), we also sometimes have a well, but it's an "additional" move that is usually considered unfair, cause it beats both the rock and the scissors, and is never played because of that.

  • @life-destiny1196

    @life-destiny1196

    Ай бұрын

    @@artsenor254 In an instance of incredibly stereotypical behavior, the American equivalents for this are "gun" or perhaps "bomb." Or at least that's what kids did on the playground when I was little.

  • @I_Love_Learning

    @I_Love_Learning

    Ай бұрын

    @@life-destiny1196 At my playground, kids slowly got more extreme with what they play.

  • @SigmaLemon31
    @SigmaLemon31Ай бұрын

    7:14"Game Theory"??????!!!!!

  • @Griffin-the-chicken

    @Griffin-the-chicken

    28 күн бұрын

    IKR

  • @FrozenBrawlStars

    @FrozenBrawlStars

    28 күн бұрын

    It’s a section/field in mathematics

  • @TheWorldsLargestOven

    @TheWorldsLargestOven

    25 күн бұрын

    Is Springlock Breedable?

  • @claytonrumer204
    @claytonrumer20423 күн бұрын

    I am so glad to see another primer video is out.

  • @silarydoveface
    @silarydoveface27 күн бұрын

    this was fascinating thanks for creating it!

  • @Sanskar_S_Ratnawat
    @Sanskar_S_RatnawatАй бұрын

    14:34 Did my mature adult a** just wave to an animated blob irl?

  • @rmlgaming2091

    @rmlgaming2091

    Ай бұрын

    Worth

  • @vez3834

    @vez3834

    29 күн бұрын

    Friend shaped and rocking a smile, really good combo

  • @Triantalex

    @Triantalex

    29 күн бұрын

    No.

  • @Triantalex

    @Triantalex

    29 күн бұрын

    ass

  • @jusauser
    @jusauserАй бұрын

    HE LIVES! THE LEGEND LIVES!

  • @flavored_1
    @flavored_1Ай бұрын

    This was super entertaining and educational, great video!

  • @conlon4332
    @conlon433229 күн бұрын

    I learnt about those lizards recently in a recent Clint's Reptiles video that talked about crazy reproduction methods. It was a really fun video and I would thoroughly recommend it. I would recommend his channel in general, but I did especially enjoy that video, and I also think it would be fun for a wider range of audiences than his other videos.

  • @potatoheadpokemario1931
    @potatoheadpokemario1931Ай бұрын

    5:53 is that the golden spiral?

  • @user-mk8kt7hv7c
    @user-mk8kt7hv7c28 күн бұрын

    Is it just me or is 5:17 looking a little Fibonacci?

  • @arcisle5162
    @arcisle5162Ай бұрын

    always great seeing your videos!

  • @j.jacobdeisher1152
    @j.jacobdeisher115227 күн бұрын

    these are the most interesting graphs I've seen all day. Thank you for sharing your experiment

  • @NaudVanDalen
    @NaudVanDalenАй бұрын

    0:32 All I'm thinking of right now is Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock.

  • @voidnull9438
    @voidnull9438Ай бұрын

    Cancel your plans, a new primer video just dropped

  • @JustForFunServers
    @JustForFunServers29 күн бұрын

    Your videos are always awesome!

  • @josephpeng6984
    @josephpeng69843 күн бұрын

    You know it's a good day when Primer posts a KZread video.

  • @k.v.c.h.0007
    @k.v.c.h.0007Ай бұрын

    Did earth just revolved a full. Hiya😂

  • @sushicat1
    @sushicat1Ай бұрын

    the reason paper beats rock is because paper covers the rock up

  • @AubreyMK

    @AubreyMK

    25 күн бұрын

    but how is that supposed to be a "defeat" paper gets cut, a rock breaks scissors but... paper covering a rock?? that's it?

  • @sushicat1

    @sushicat1

    25 күн бұрын

    @@AubreyMK the rock actually suffocates in the paper

  • @caominh8622

    @caominh8622

    25 күн бұрын

    ​​@@sushicat1make sense to me, rock do breath fr (joke)

  • @matt003
    @matt00328 күн бұрын

    These videos are just amazing. Great job

  • @rachelhagemeister2276
    @rachelhagemeister2276Ай бұрын

    Gosh, I really love your videos. Thank you

  • @Noobivert
    @NoobivertАй бұрын

    Yearly uploads

  • @PrimerBlobs

    @PrimerBlobs

    Ай бұрын

    Hey hey. *Bi* yearly.

  • @lukapetrovic412

    @lukapetrovic412

    Ай бұрын

    An important distinction

  • @verstrahlt1907
    @verstrahlt190728 күн бұрын

    amazing video, very good explained and nice GFX\animation. Interesting evolution.

  • @ethanpetersen810
    @ethanpetersen81029 күн бұрын

    Paper goes on top of the rock and COVERS it. That’s the reason.

  • @B0NES48
    @B0NES48Ай бұрын

    Always a great day for a Primer video

  • @thewaafer
    @thewaaferАй бұрын

    thank you so much for making these videos

  • @Tilb0
    @Tilb0Ай бұрын

    Love when you upload

  • @cornycornsnake
    @cornycornsnake29 күн бұрын

    It’s a new Primer!!! I’m excited and I haven’t even watched the video yet!!

  • @RegularBiscuit
    @RegularBiscuitАй бұрын

    so glad primer is making vids :)

  • @DaBaSoftware
    @DaBaSoftware27 күн бұрын

    that was awesome, thanks for making this :)

  • @ziggiethegreat7738
    @ziggiethegreat773826 күн бұрын

    oh crap, it's Primer! I haven't seen you post in ages, I hadn't realized you were still making things.

  • @SoThisIsMyCat
    @SoThisIsMyCat8 күн бұрын

    Wow this is a beautiful video with a lot of commitment thank you

  • @Skeffles
    @Skeffles17 күн бұрын

    Fascinating to see how the population spirals and how the different rewards effect it. Great video!

  • @joshhickman77
    @joshhickman77Ай бұрын

    Thank you so much for these videos, and this one in particular. I've been recommending the MIT OpenCourseWare course for Game Theory for a long time, and there's still a ton of value there, but introducing ideas like nash equilibria and ESS to a broader audience is so important. :)

  • @luisrosado7050
    @luisrosado705027 күн бұрын

    1:38 im so happy you decided to use the fancy name for multidimensional array ♡! /srs and happy

  • @manero4792
    @manero479227 күн бұрын

    I thought this channel was dead! Thank you returning, frendo!

  • @RosebudMartin
    @RosebudMartinАй бұрын

    WOOO, it's been too long without a Primer video!

  • @MankejYuice
    @MankejYuice29 күн бұрын

    An amazing explanation as always ❤

  • @xycrypt
    @xycrypt27 күн бұрын

    Seeing the paper comically cut the rock in two at 1:40 is hilarious

  • @zlothz
    @zlothz26 күн бұрын

    As usual, excellent and interesting video! My predictions were quite wrong! I appreciate the reminders sprinkled throughout to encourage people to actively predict and not passively watch the video! :)

  • @user-ze7sj4qy6q
    @user-ze7sj4qy6qАй бұрын

    the title honestly gave me a weird expectation of what was in this video and its way better than i expected i hope there's nobody passing it up (esp if they dont know the channel) cuz of that and missing this awesome video this has helped me understand population dynamics way better