Well, what did you expect me to cover this week!? :-) I wasn't going to do this for a while. But the surprise English advancement to the Euro final against Spain made this impossible not to do! Seriously though, what are your thoughts on this? Is this a dispute that has just to be managed in perpetuity? Or is there a formula to settle it? Perhaps the Gibraltarians will eventually give up on British rule as the effects of Brexit wear them down. As always, let me know what you think.

@Prebaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

26 күн бұрын

Bosnia, as always :D that Resolution breakdown is long overdue professor, if you don't mind me saying!

@Richard1A2B

26 күн бұрын

Then you should have made the video last year when the Lionesses won the Euros against Spain 😉 Everyone forgets the ladies have been there first.

@olliestudio45

26 күн бұрын

I don't get why Gibraltar is seen as so strategic when Tarifa and Ceuta stick out more into the strait.

@pedroecijaserrano6723

26 күн бұрын

​@@olliestudio45 It is for the UK, as it would otherwise not have a presence in the region. Trade through the Suez canal goes through the straight of Gibraltar too. It is not strategic for Spain though, as it has other options. The issue for Spain is different, as if France controlled the Cliffs of Dover, the UK would naturally want to take it back.

@tedcrilly46

26 күн бұрын

@@olliestudio45 I think its just people parroting for the most part. In sail and steamboat times that would have been a very valuable spot. And thats what got written down, and its been an echo ever since. Some people seem to assume its right on the strait/tip. Although I suppose it does still have some middling strategic value. Never know when these little places come in useful, the little UK airbases on Cyprus are looking useful recently.

Es decir. En 1704 GB-NL toman Gibraltar SIN PREGUNTARLE NADA A SU POBLACIÓN en nombre del PRETENDIENTE HABSBURGO AL TRONO DE ESPAÑA. Pero a partir de 1960 GB sí "tiene que" preguntar. Curioso, muy curioso. También intentaron conquistar Málaga en agosto de 1704 y se quedaron con las ganas.

Great timing for that video with the Euro 2024 final.

@bilic8094

26 күн бұрын

Hopefully England could win this one they didn't play great throughout the tournament but last game they showed the team is talented at all positions I hope southgate could bring it home the media has destroyed that guy.

@JamesKerLindsay

26 күн бұрын

Indeed. I had been working on the script for this for a few weeks, but planned to do it another time. And then England get through to the final and there seemed like no better time to tackle it! :-)

@rodox2832

26 күн бұрын

The winner takes Gibraltar

@biddyboy1570

26 күн бұрын

@@rodox2832 thought they already had?

@ABCantonese

25 күн бұрын

Good thing I checked the comments before saying the same thing!

You always release these on Fridays around the end of the work day here in the U.S., which means I always get to start my weekend with them. 🎉😎🎉

@JamesKerLindsay

26 күн бұрын

Great stuff! Thanks. 🙏🏻👏👏👏😀

@mussajavdan8203

24 күн бұрын

Well Dr. Lindsay deleted my comments like always while we have another opinion than him . I write my opinion very politely again Dr. Its is very clear that the wish of the Gibraltar citizens have to bee respected . But it also have to come with consequences. You can not vote to stay in British colony but simultaneously have the benefit as an EU member state ,and the profits of the Spanish territory surrounding you. I believe Spain have been very soften regarding the issue . I would force a very stronger policy so you just wish to be apart of Spain

@hypotheticalaxolotl

24 күн бұрын

@@mussajavdan8203 a) it was probably youtube, not the channel creator, deleting your comments b) even if it was the channel operator, honestly if you're gonna spam the same thing across all the Top Comments, comments the content of which doesn't seem to actually matter to you since you're just copy+pasting and not modifying them to fit, then I'd probably delete them too. It's annoying.

@audience2

24 күн бұрын

​@@mussajavdan8203A policy of trying to "force" the Gibraltarians is likely to produce the opposite result.

England: "Let us win the Euros and we will give you Gibraltar." Spain: "I' will get back to you Monday"

@valuetraveler2026

25 күн бұрын

you joke but this is modern soccer

@riskinhos

25 күн бұрын

@@valuetraveler2026 football

@goldenaye3

23 күн бұрын

Lmao! !

@thomassummerhill6357

23 күн бұрын

Gibraltar doesn’t belong to england. it’s British

@quazarKiragon

23 күн бұрын

@thomassummerhill6357 technically it's overseas territories of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, so its a sovereign territory essentially apart of the United Kingdom even though its not geographically linked, but does make you wonder why Spain has a hard on to try and claim it as much as they do, but I guess it's the same with the falklands

It is a good summary, but a bit one-sided (I do not mean that in a bad way). For example, Gibraltar wasn't held by a succession of foreign powers (Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans, and the Ummayyad Caliphate) without any intervention from the locals until 1462.For the vast majority of antiquity, it belonged to a local Iberian tribe (Turdetani). When Gibraltar was taken in the 1700s,the locals were expelled by the invading troops. They were later replaced with people loyal to the UK, hence the lack of Spanish identity nowadays. Common then, but now we call it ethnic cleansing. Nevertheless, I agree that regardless of how we got here, there is no point in ignoring the will of the Gibraltarians. In relation to the Treaties of Utretch, the nuance is that they refer to "the rock and the castle," not including the ithsmus or the surrounding waters. The issue with that is the fishing rights, which Spain argues were never ceded, and the UK claims naturally follow from possession of the land. This is literally a daily headache in the area. Also, in mid or late 1800s (I dont remember the exact date), disease was going rampant through the barracks in Gibraltar. Spain allowed, on an interim basis, that new barracks were built on the ithsmus, to separate the ill from the healthy, and better deal with the outbreak. The UK never returned the ithsmus as per the agreement. That piece of land was not included in the Treaties of Utretch, but taken by the UK after a Spanish gesture of goodwill, which naturally bothers Spain to no end. In addition, Gibraltar's airport was built on the ithsmus, and extending over the water (that Spain maintains was never ceded), so you see how the thing itches to Spanish people familiar with the topic. There is a UN resolution from the 1960s requiring Gibraltar to be decolonised, but it was obviously ignored. In relation to Schengen, and border control issues, the UK didn't join Schengen, therefore, Gibraltar didn't either. Gibraltar has complained to EU's Frontex many times about excessive controls on the border, but Frontex has always ruled that they are proportionate and consistent with a non-Schengen border. Many issues arose by Gibraltar's understandable zeal with keeping authority over its surrounding waters, which Spain equates with providing safe harbour to smugglers and drug dealers pursued by the Spanish civil guard. There were also issues in the past with oil tankers anchoring in Gibraltar to operate as floating petrol stations, which ended up polluting Spanish waters due to frequent spills. As it is now, Gibraltar and the Spanish side (La Línea) have a situation of co-dependence, they need each other. Brexit has dealt a terrible hand to Gibraltar. A few years ago some colleagues who live there said that, after Brexit, they get a weekly ship from the UK, restocking M&S, but the shelves are empty again by the evening. What keeps the place supplied is the Spanish supermarket. They also depend on Spanish hospitals for healhcare, and many Gibraltarians actually lived in Spain because housing in Gibraltar is so scarce that it became prohibitive. The place's strategic value is no more for as long as Spain and UK are in NATO. Rota, in nearby Cadiz, is the best NATO base in the area, and the most used. Even the Royal Navy uses it primarily over Gibraltar. Ironically, Cadiz was the original target of the Anglo-Dutch force that landed in Gibraltar. They were repelled, dug in, and met the end of the war still there. I hope you find the extra information that I have added interesting, maybe to have a better understanding of why it is such an issue for some Spaniards.

@stewatparkpark2933

26 күн бұрын

It is common practice to divide text into paragraphs .

@gbickell

26 күн бұрын

Nice info! Thank you for taking the time to fill in some gaps.

@JamesKerLindsay

26 күн бұрын

Very good point, well made! Sadly, this is essentially European history in a nutshell. Almost no borders have been created without war and ethnic cleansing.

@leor7870

26 күн бұрын

The information fails to point out that under the UN convention on the Law of the Seas specifically demarcate the sea boundaries around Gibraltar, which was adhered to by the Franco dictatorship.

@silliestsususagest3276

26 күн бұрын

Also Gibraltar isn't a colony it's a British Overseas Territory

As for Schengen, rememeber that the UK never was a part of it, which would then raise the question why the Rock should be part of it.

@timoakley277

23 күн бұрын

Geography is kind of important......

@lqr824

23 күн бұрын

It doesn't necessarily follow that every part of a nation needs the same rules. Denmark includes the Faroe Islands which aren't in the EU, for instance, mainly because they don't want to allow all EU nations to over-fish the Faroe waters.

@casperghst42

22 күн бұрын

@@lqr824 I know about Faroe Islands, they are covered with the Nordic Community, and Denmark cover travel into schengen. But if they travel to fx. Germany directly, then they need to show passport.

@casperghst42

22 күн бұрын

@@timoakley277 not really, Gibraltar is a UK area, which is "within" UK borders, when you decide to leave Gibraltar then you (as you must with you travel from the UK mainland into Schengen) show passport. The only exception is Nother Ireland to RAI, but there the passport control have moved to between UK mainland and (North) Ireland. The UK need a special agreement with Spain (and the rest of the EU) and then there has to be a passport control when you travel from Gibraltar to mainland UK and vise versa. Nothing comes for free.

@davidrubioroldan

22 күн бұрын

No directamente español

From an Americans perspective, it was very instructive to watch your presentation to not only see the history of Gibraltar, but the ongoing issues of British sovereignty over a slice of territory that is physically connected to Spain. I was particularly fascinated to hear that the local population is so strongly opposed to Spain taking over sovereignty, when it appears that many of the locals travel to Spain every day or at least very regularly.

@RayThackeray

24 күн бұрын

@freebeerfordworkers The British Government fucked everything up with Brexit, were you not listening?

@unaihernandez330

24 күн бұрын

He forgot when UK asked Spain to used temporarily neutral and spanish territory to figth an epidemic and when that finish they still occupying that land

@marcusbrown188

23 күн бұрын

@@joebullwinkle5099 from Mercian perspective we Americans do have our own version of Gibraltar called Guantanamo Bay but has a lack of tourism

@dovetonsturdee7033

23 күн бұрын

@@RayThackeray That's the problem with the concept of democracy. People like you only support it when you like the decisions.

@a34rwl

23 күн бұрын

You do know about Ceuta and Melia?

England has used the same strategy every where in the world, take the land, colonize it, and 200 years later when the majority is English make a referendum in the name of democracy. 😂😂😂

@marklittle8805

6 күн бұрын

@@ojloub well yes, but to be fair, no one there now is "conquered" and most have ancestors from Britain. Just the same as the people in the Falklands. The Spanish nor the Argentinians ever lived there either. And when Britain did give Hong Kong back, look how it has worked out? The Chinese in Hong Kong used to having a say in the government and social freedoms are now dealing with Beijing. Think they don't want the Brits back? The Brits gave up almost every colony they ever had and likely would have here too if the Spanish didn't make it so plain they were hostile to the Brits being there at all. Never mind that it was British through a treaty. Never mind the UK never threatened Spain in modern years. Never mind the two nations outside of this never really had issue with each other in modern times. But the Spanish have never understood the best way to get the UK to walk away from a Colony is to let them find out it is not worth the cost on their own. Forcing the issue or making threats just turned the people in the colony off.

@TheOtorrinonaringolo

2 күн бұрын

@@marklittle8805 creo que estas equivocado, aunque si es verdad que en los tiempos modernos hemos sido y somos aliados España no puede dejar de presionar por recuperar una conquista con engaño, evidentemente una guerra es impensable hoy día, pero diplomaticamente estos obligados, los gibraltareños evidentemente quieren conservar su estatus de paraíso fiscal ,hay más empresas que habitantes y cruzar la frontera para comprar barato en España es muy cómodo, sin contar que hasta ahora se beneficiaban de nuestra seguridad social. Con respecto al tratado de utrech se le cedió el peñón y el puerto pero no las aguas territoriales de Algeciras, y para colmo si miras un mapa antiguo verás que el territorio cedido era más pequeño, cuando Gibraltar sufrió una crisis sanitaria España les cedió terreno para poder atenderlos ,en vez de irse cuando controlaron la enfermedad se establecieron allí, hoy día se sigue ganando terreno al mar que no les pertenece y atacando los pesqueros de Algeciras que son los dueños legítimos de las aguas,los enfrentamientos entre vuestra policía y la guardia civil protegiendo los pesqueros y persiguiendo narcos que se refugian en Gibraltar son constantes, solo espero sinceramente que no pase a mayores,ya nos hemos peleado bastante en la historia 😅. Un saludo.

And the sovereignty of Crimea should be decided on the basis of self determination, too?

@antoniescargo1529

24 күн бұрын

They already did.

@Maria-ig1bd

22 күн бұрын

Exactly. Referendum results show 99% in favor of remaining Russian.

@mukkaar

22 күн бұрын

It's quite different, unless the government of the country agrees no part of that country can just separate. In fact, that would be undemocratic if the rest of the country doesn't agree to that. That same goes for autonomous regions and whatnot, unless there's some other agreement in place.

@brucealanwilson4121

22 күн бұрын

@@Maria-ig1bd If you believe that it was valid.

@everTriumph

22 күн бұрын

The land is within Ukraine's international borders.

haha nice one man, with the football final coming up this is good time to get this out

@JamesKerLindsay

26 күн бұрын

Indeed! I really couldn’t do anything else. Luckily, I had been working on the script for a while and so had it handy! :-)

How about Gibraltar introducing VAT like in the UK and EU? Also stopping cigarettes being smuggled into Spain would be nice.

@mussajavdan8203

24 күн бұрын

Well Dr. Lindsay deleted my comments like always while we have another opinion than him . I write my opinion very politely again Dr. Its is very clear that the wish of the Gibraltar citizens have to bee respected . But it also have to come with consequences. You can not vote to stay in British colony but simultaneously have the benefit as an EU member state ,and the profits of the Spanish territory surrounding you. I believe Spain have been very soften regarding the issue . I would force a very stronger policy so you just wish to be apart of Spain

@Richard-yd1ws

24 күн бұрын

@@greattobeadub They impose a purchase tax More cigarettes are smuggled into Algeciras And more drugs into La Linea Hth

@truxton1000

24 күн бұрын

I’m sure smuggling is not an official policy. What about if Spain removed vat? Several countries have no vat, it’s a sign of intelligent governing.

@Richard-yd1ws

24 күн бұрын

@@truxton1000 It is actually a EU requirement

@greattobeadub

24 күн бұрын

@@truxton1000 EU law requires VAT, as does the UK. If Gibraltar wants to act like a big duty free shop let it. That’s a choice. We can make the choice of closing the border. Take back control as it were.

Jhon Bright, político británico, 16 de Noviembre de 1811, 27 de Marzo de 1889. Rochdale, Lancashire Declara que "El Peñón fué tomado y retenido por Inglaterra cuando no estabamos en guerra con España y su apropiación fué contraria a todas las leyes de la moral y del honor"

Spain: We need our territory back UK: What about Melilla and Ceuta Spain: We are not talking about that right now

@eamonreidy9534

26 күн бұрын

@@abbofun9022 Gibraltar has been under UK control longer than Spanish control

@abbofun9022

26 күн бұрын

@@eamonreidy9534 the fact you managed to hold on to it for so long doesn’t make it any less a theft

@Randomstuffs261

26 күн бұрын

@@abbofun9022 It's not a theft if they literally gave it to you

@eamonreidy9534

26 күн бұрын

@@abbofun9022 I'm not British. Maybe Britain and Spain should return it to a caliphate, or the Turks, or a reformed emirate of Grenada, or maybe the Roman Empire. You irredentist type people are silly

@georgiewalker5826

26 күн бұрын

@@abbofun9022 Look it has been British for 300 years, people living there want to be British, that should really be the end of the matter tbh

Gibraltarians want the best of both worlds. Though it's fair that they stay under British rule if they voted to for that.

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

21 күн бұрын

@@MidnightTheOne Yes have their cake and eat it. That was tried to exhaustion by Theresa May and her succesors but unfortunately the other party in the negotiations held stronger cards !

@ShotsMerkzAll

19 күн бұрын

The Spanish rely on Gib far more. Thousands of workers go into the border each day. Gibraltarians just want to pop over for some cheap shopping

@elnoideelsencarrecs8528

11 күн бұрын

They settlers pbiusly they want to be keep in english rule

@gibo5863

6 күн бұрын

We actually have a great residential retreat on one of our beaches called Both Worlds...:)

As usual, nothing was said for the benefit of the UK.

Thank you so much James!

@JamesKerLindsay

25 күн бұрын

Thanks Vlad! I hope all is well.

@mussajavdan8203

24 күн бұрын

Well Dr. Lindsay deleted my comments like always while we have another opinion than him . I write my opinion very politely again Dr. Its is very clear that the wish of the Gibraltar citizens have to bee respected . But it also have to come with consequences. You can not vote to stay in British colony but simultaneously have the benefit as an EU member state ,and the profits of the Spanish territory surrounding you. I believe Spain have been very soften regarding the issue . I would force a very stronger policy so you just wish to be apart of Spain

Great video Professor. Historical claims frequently prove to be an especially messy aspect of international relations. It irks me that the UN is adamant about their wishes on respecting the will of local populations, except where the local populations are of European descent.

@James-ip8xs

26 күн бұрын

UN is ideologically captured and it's positions on many issues should be disputed.

@veronicaroach3667

26 күн бұрын

I think it matters what the 'locals' want. They are the ones who have to deal with the implications of any changes. I suspect that on a purely human level their feelings are not based on anything really heavy duty, largely about pride in who they think they are ! And the Brits are particularly belligerent about their status IMO. I'm a Brit myself. So while the technical details might be annoying, I say leave well alone & deal with it. The very same Brits who get nervous over their ownership of places are quite happy to buy a holiday home in any of those other countries, so the arguments are a little irrational ! Of course if we take 'the locals' argument to it's ultimate conclusion we would have to listen to a lot of different groups arguing for their 'rights' in various places & governments tend to stomp on such claims to keep control !

@thiloreichelt4199

25 күн бұрын

It migth be even that the locals' wishes are based on economic reasoning, as it was presumably for the Falkland Islands 2013. However. even that would be valid as the UN does not second guess the will od the locals.

@TomTomicMic

25 күн бұрын

The UN is not answering the bigger questions of Ukraine, South Philippine seas and such like as Russia and China pose a bigger threat to Europe and the World at present. Spain is petulant about Gibraltar like the Argentinians are for the Falklands, they don't want to invest anything into the Island/ Peninsula they just want to take it for nowt!?!

@leestimpson1838

25 күн бұрын

Gibraltar is obviously part of Spain, occupied by another nation.

I appreciate your coverage of this intriguing topic, professor. I must admit, I've been quite invested in this ongoing dispute between Spain and UK for quite some time now. It's rather fascinating to witness a clash of interests between two Western nations over territorial boundaries, especially when their own double standards are glaringly obvious and hypocrisy is being exposed. Take, for instance, Spain's assertion of Gibraltar's sovereignty and criticism of UK for not yielding control back to Spain, all the while Spain blatantly refusing to acknowledge Morocco’s rightful sovereignty claims to numerous Spanish territories enclaves inside Morocco such as Melilla/Ceuta. Quite the perplexing situation, isn't it? More importantly, 3🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉

@bellezayverdad

26 күн бұрын

Those sovereignty claims are rightful according to whom? According to you, according to Morocco or what?

@mussajavdan8203

24 күн бұрын

I think Dr, Lindsay just deleted my comment on this issue . We have been disagreed on several topics and we had some conversations in the past . I did not thought it could go so far as deleting peoples comments ,just because we don't share your opinion . WHAT A SHINE DEMOCRAT YOU TRULY ARE . And what a shame

After years of wanting to, I finally got to visit Gibraltar twice in March of this year. What an interesting place.....

When I compare Gibraltar to the similar situation in Northern Ireland, I feel that the same principles leads to radically different outcomes. I can imagine the population of Northern Ireland one day voting for reunion with the Republic of Ireland. I also know that the Republic respects the people of Northern Ireland in their right to make that decision. But I can't ever see Gibraltar voting themselves into Spain, nor that Spain will genuinely respect their decision not to join. (On a personal level, I really dislike when national leaders put historical claims over and above the rights of people living in the area. Unless that history is very recent or still has deeply negative consequences today (I can imagine such an example but won't name it), I don't respect people who do this. History doesn't have feelings and can't be offended by the present. We should concentrate on fixing the moral wrongs of today, not the perceived wrongs of the past.)

@rapier1954

26 күн бұрын

You have decided the two are legitimately comparable under international law but they are not.

@SnorriTheLlama

26 күн бұрын

⁠@@rapier1954You can always compare the two cases, whether or not international law aligns with your viewpoint

@mnk9073

26 күн бұрын

Why on earth would you ask the transplants? That's like me and three mates occupying your garden and then holding a referendum amongst us four if we want to keep it or return it to you. It's your garden and we're occupying it, nothing changes that regardles if it has been 8 days or 800 years.

@leor7870

26 күн бұрын

​@mnk9073 Well, by your analysis, we should redraw all Europe boundaries then.

@mnk9073

26 күн бұрын

@@leor7870 Those forced upon the local people by a foreign power, yes absolutely.

Excellent work as always very informative and historically helpful thank you Professor James Ker-Lindsay

@JamesKerLindsay

25 күн бұрын

Thank you!

@mussajavdan8203

24 күн бұрын

Well Dr. Lindsay deleted my comments like always while we have another opinion than him . I write my opinion very politely again Dr. Its is very clear that the wish of the Gibraltar citizens have to bee respected . But it also have to come with consequences. You can not vote to stay in British colony but simultaneously have the benefit as an EU member state ,and the profits of the Spanish territory surrounding you. I believe Spain have been very soften regarding the issue . I would force a very stronger policy so you just wish to be apart of Spain

Britain don't have a Gibraltar "problem". Spain do.

It seems to me that the main problem lies in the Isthmus and the waters. As for the waters, the Netherlands and Germany had a long standing border issue concerning the mouth of the Ems river. It was concluded fairly recently (I think around 2000??) with the waters now being administered by both countries.

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

18 күн бұрын

@@ronaldderooij1774 Very sensible. But here you have one party with too much pride and too little empathy. I will take bets on which one 😂

Great video! I'm in Spain right now so I watched it with particular interest! I can't remember if you've made a video about Ceuta, but I've never quite understood what appears to be a very inconsistent position by Spain. Thanks again!

@JamesKerLindsay

26 күн бұрын

Thanks Fredo. I hope you are having a good time over there. I have some a video on Melilla and Ceuta. It was rather a long time ago and so I might need to revisit it. In the meantime, I really had to resist the temptation to point out the rather obvious double standards. (Although no doubt we can expect Spanish nationalists to explain why the two cases can’t possible be compared!)

@gawkthimm6030

26 күн бұрын

logic from the far-right? what did you expect

@IrishPartizan

26 күн бұрын

@@JamesKerLindsay Spain's argument about both Ceuta and Melilla is that they were seized before Morocco came into being so therefore it has right to control the territory. Morocco btw is also on shakey legal ground having annexed the Spanish (now Western Sahara) in 1976 without consulting the local Sahrawi people who had initially taken up arms, in the form of the POLISARIO against the Spanish in the dying days of the Franco regime in 1973. Now there's another idea for a video.

@glo8778

26 күн бұрын

@@gawkthimm6030 no far right bin Europe. Or you call Le Pen Far Right?

@FlamingBasketballClub

26 күн бұрын

Have you visited Gibraltar yet? 🗣️

Minorca is also British by virtue of the Utrecht treaty.

@mycellphone4437

26 күн бұрын

And Benidorm.

@louisbeerreviews8964

22 күн бұрын

No it’s not

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

22 күн бұрын

Supereded by the war of Jenkins ear !

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

16 күн бұрын

@@stunimbus1543 Correction was. The treaty of Amiens changed all that.

Where does Gibraltar get its water and electricity from?

@mycellphone4437

26 күн бұрын

Desalination and a thermal plant I think.

@benjamindejonge3624

26 күн бұрын

Who cares? Probably only the English who holds Ulster

@asparadog

26 күн бұрын

Two desalination plants and LNG generators. Gibraltar had been embargoed by Spain for quite a while, which allowed the nation to develop self-sufficiency in these areas.

@batcollins3714

24 күн бұрын

THe EU, Britain couldn't afford it.

@missk1942

24 күн бұрын

What are you trying to articulate?​@@benjamindejonge3624

I'm from the UK but I live in southern Spain. I've visited Gibraltar easily over a hundred times since moving to Spain two years ago as I visit it every week. Everyone I've spoken to in Gibraltar is proudly British Gibraltarian and none of them have announced any interest in joining Spain

@lordgeminismagno7360

22 күн бұрын

como no, no son Españoles son extranjeros, los verdaderos Gibraltareños son los que viven en San Roque, fundado por los refugiados españoles que poblaban el peñón antes de la invasión rastrera y sin previa declaración de guerra, estos sí votan por España. Antes de comentar cosas informate o piense un poco el por qué solo miran hacia Londres.

@oliversherman2414

22 күн бұрын

​@@lordgeminismagno7360In every referendum on Gibraltarian sovereignty the result has always been 99% in favour of Britain

@lordgeminismagno7360

22 күн бұрын

@@oliversherman2414 repito, NO SON ESPAÑOLES, los verdaderos pobladores fueron expulsados y se creó una base militar, luego permitieron que se llenara de gente de muchos lugares e ingleses pero no son oriundos de la zona, España posee la soberanía, solo cedió el castillo, la plaza y la Roca hasta que decidiera prescindir del territorio, no lo puede vender, no se puede independizar, no puede ser estado libre asociado, etc, es un territorio con características restringidas dictadas por el tratado de Utrech, si deciden ignorarlo estarían contradiciendo dicho tratado anulandoce este y teniendo que devolver el territorio, lo curioso es que ningún gobierno inglés pensaría devolverlo pase lo que pase, como si lo venden y el problema ya no sería de ellos a pesar de estar escrito que no pueden venderlo, Reino unido nunca a sido un país de fiar ya que solo miraba por sus intereses sin mirar a sus aliados

@oliversherman2414

22 күн бұрын

​@@lordgeminismagno7360 You've never been to Gibraltar, have you? It's not like everyone there is English. In fact, Spanish is just as widely spoken across the territory. Many Gibraltarians actually speak Spanish more than English. But, despite this, they still have no interest in joining Spain. They've democratically elected to stay with the UK more than once, which is more than can be said about Cueta and Melilla which Spain refuses to so much as consider a referendum for

@JoseDaniel-iw7rq

22 күн бұрын

@@oliversherman2414 And? They speak Spanish because they need to, as a large part of the essential supplies and services, such as food and consumer goods, come from Spain. Many Gibraltarians don't even work there; they work in Spain. Honestly, Spain should close the borders and not let anyone through. In that case, we'd see how much longer Gibraltarians would want to remain part of the UK (which isn't really their decision anyway). If the politicians in London decide they don't want Gibraltar anymore, they'll just abandon them, regardless of what the people there want. After all, no referendum was held for the people of Hong Kong to decide if they wanted to return to China. The decision to transfer Hong Kong's sovereignty to China was based on international agreements between the UK and China. Or to put it another way, the UK simply couldn't maintain Hong Kong anymore, so they decided to leave with dignity and abandoned them to their fate.

I always find it funny how Spain🇪🇸has such a problem with Gibraltar🇬🇮but when Morocco🇲🇦complains of Ceuta and Melilla - it falls on deaf ears 🤷‍♂️

@crose7412

26 күн бұрын

Spain's argument about both Ceuta and Melilla is that they were seized before Morocco came into being so therefore it has right to control the territory.

@FlamingBasketballClub

26 күн бұрын

Ceuta and Melilla should go back to Morocco since Spain wants to play that game. 🤷🏿‍♂️

@demonke7829

26 күн бұрын

Cuesta and Melilla have been Spanish far longer than Gibraltar was british as well as th fact Moroccans are grateful to Spain for generous ally ceding large amounts of Spanish land in africa to Morocco

@heycidskyja4668

26 күн бұрын

@@demonke7829 So the Morroccans should be grateful to Spain for occupying their land? Pull the other one!

@eamonreidy9534

26 күн бұрын

​@@demonke7829Gibraltar has been British far longer than it has been Spanish

Watching this video I learned that the Utrecht treaty clearly says "property" and not "sovereignty". This was shocking to me. Later, it mentions the "sale" of the property, giving Spain priority to buy it. It seems clear to me that property does not imply sovereignty, as I own property in other countries but those are still under the sovereignty of those countries. The same happens with property of states abroad, e.g. a building with land, does not imply sovereignty. Thanks for the information.

@arfurascii2232

22 күн бұрын

"The Catholic King does hereby, for himself, his heirs and successors, yield to the Crown of Great Britain the full and entire propriety of the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging; and he gives up the said propriety to be held and enjoyed absolutely with all manner of right for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever." - (A) it's one sovereign yielding land to another sovereign, (B) to be held and enjoyed absolutely with all manner of right for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever. Neither A nor B apply to your property. You are not the supreme authority over your land.

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

17 күн бұрын

@@arfurascii2232 Does that mean if Britain becomes a Republic the deal if off ?

@arfurascii2232

17 күн бұрын

@@user-qs3rf4hh5n We can only speculate but it seems to me the republic would claim to be the 'continuator' state, with the sovereign territory, treaty obligations and memberships of international organisations etc that the UK had.

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

17 күн бұрын

@@arfurascii2232 Let's hope so, there's so much uncertainty in all fronts these days. If climate change continues apace Southern Spain including Gibraltar might become uninhabitable and the whole for ever issue in the treaty become irrelevant.

I hadn't realized, until seeing the map in this video, that Gibraltar is not, in fact, the very southernmost point of the Iberian Peninsula, but is in fact slightly east of it. A point in Spain a bit west of Gibraltar extends slightly further south.

@JamesKerLindsay

17 күн бұрын

Indeed!

James, I wonder what strategic value of Gibraltar is today?

I would say stability was brought about by NATO. As for wider European involvement in Gibraltar, it's always been clear. No clear access for the Atlantic based navies, no or very limited NATO patrols of the Mediterranean.

@JonatanRaven

23 күн бұрын

Last I checked, Spain was part of Nato so the impact of Gibraltar in this context is irrelevant.

Well shouldn't it be left up to people of Gibraltar? To vote on ! Weather they want to belong to Spain or Britain or even become an independent state? The people should have the last say on the destiny of their island?.

@fil_britbunnyboi872

24 күн бұрын

@davidhowells-rl9li they did. A referendum was held in 1968 and they voted to stay British

@marcosvidal4940

24 күн бұрын

@@fil_britbunnyboi872 only 99%? wow, interesting

@Khayyam-vg9fw

23 күн бұрын

The first time I visited Gibraltar, in 2004, I was staggered at the strength of feeling among the Gibraltarians I spoke to, who very firmly wanted to retain their ties to Britain. I've not been back since 2009, but I'd be surprised if this attitude has changed very much (although I'd be interested to hear from locals or more recent visitors); indeed, it is possibly even stronger now.

@fil_britbunnyboi872

23 күн бұрын

@@Khayyam-vg9fw I visited in 2021. General sentiment was overall towards the UK

@Khayyam-vg9fw

23 күн бұрын

@@fil_britbunnyboi872 Thank you for that information. It is what I would have expected.

The people of Gibraltar have said we are not Spains to claim nor Britains to give away…Their desires must be met like it was in the referendums that took place..it’s not just about territory but people..The people of Gibraltar are a proud people and their wishes must be met..

@user-cm9pt8bo3l

21 күн бұрын

They are not subjects of law in this matter. Nobody wants them to change their passport, the discussion is about the territory.

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

18 күн бұрын

@@LivingLifeAfterDeath Indeed ! But Historic wrongs must also be addressed.

@LivingLifeAfterDeath

17 күн бұрын

@@user-cm9pt8bo3l You mean the territory that was awarded to Britain..Where the llanito people live..indefinitely..

@LivingLifeAfterDeath

17 күн бұрын

@@user-qs3rf4hh5n what historic wrongs would that be?..

A good reminder that in IR not all disputes are resolved, but just perpetually managed

@JamesKerLindsay

26 күн бұрын

Indeed. :-)

The act of union between England and Scotland was in 1707. Therefore it was not a British fleet in 1700 when the war of the Austrian Succession started and also it was not a British fleet in 1704 (when "British fleet" was first mentioned here). In both cases it was an English fleet. Admittedly, by the time that war ended in 1711, it WAS a British fleet (if only in name only), but still...

@JamesKerLindsay

22 күн бұрын

Yes, I know. But when trying to make a short 10-15 minute video sometimes explaining things like this takes up time and potentially confuses viewers. As I always say, every small diversion to explain a side issue often requires a long path to get back to the main story!

@MikeWal2

22 күн бұрын

@JamesKerLindsay Understood, but this kind of thing is likely to automatically annoy all the Scots among your viewers. I'm not even a Scot but I did spend my first three school years at a Junior School in South Glasgow and thus apart from knowing how to pronounce Kirkcaldy and to couple it with Linolium, I also know that James I was in fact James VI and various other perhaps trivial facts that have stayed in my memory ever since - including the need for care when using British rather than English.

@MikeWal2

22 күн бұрын

[In a somewhat later life I also learnt how to pronounce Cholmondeley. My father got around...]

@flashtrash7830

6 күн бұрын

Er... the Act of Union involved adoption of all agreements except those sorted in Council.

@MikeWal2

5 күн бұрын

@flashtrash7830 It didn't apply retroactively in making a 1700 (or 1704) English fleet a British fleet.

Dispute... surely not? The treaty of Utrecht (1713) has some pretty final key words... "for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever." The territory has been British for longer than it was Spanish.

@marcosvidal4940

24 күн бұрын

it didn't include 'sovereignty'

@BuckDanny2314

24 күн бұрын

These are diplomatic terms with little meaning. Remember each of these treaties back then stated there would be "perpetual friendship" between the former enemies, who nevertheless frequently fought each other a few years after the treaty. So much for parchment garantees...

@MrTangolizard

24 күн бұрын

@@BuckDanny2314that still doesn’t change the fact that it’s British

@BuckDanny2314

24 күн бұрын

@@MrTangolizard Did I say otherwise? Of course it's a British territory for now, nobody disputes this.

@MrTangolizard

24 күн бұрын

@@BuckDanny2314 “diplomatic terms with little meaning” well they mean a lot to the people who live there

At one point in history, The Netherlands conquered a lot of nations including my Country Indonesia for centuries. Although, they are not as strong as England. And look what happened now, more and more Ned's colonies free and independence before the eyes of the Nederland. And I believe Nederland is only as big as the Island of Bangka, one of our medium size islands among 18000 islands stretches 5000 km along the equator. When we believe we are the strongest in the past, somehow the wheel is turning and more generations will suffer the consequences.

There isn't a "dispute". Both sides signed a treaty regulating Gibraltar's status. What there is is a Spanish claim in contravention of this treaty.

I don't think you have addressed the main issue. There was a neutral zone, that was empty until the UK asked to put some temporary hospital tents and Spain agreed to that. But after the yellow fever issue ended, they left everything there and after that the UK unilaterally build the airport and other buildings. But the isthmus should be empty...

@jonathanrapley147

23 күн бұрын

How can you talk about agreements when Spain turned around and sieged Gibraltar 13 times lol They constantly go on about the waters and the airport but fail to realize they have broken their own agreement.

@javiTests

23 күн бұрын

@@jonathanrapley147 Which agreement does it say that you can't siege another territory? If I understand the siege as closing the border and not allowing anything to go through... A country is not obliged to open the borders for goods, right? If you capture a territory that is surrounded by another one, that's one of the drawbacks.

How about Olivença, with Portugal.Spain is obliged by treaty to return the occupied territory, and is yet to comply.

@Fast58Eddie

25 күн бұрын

Come on, what difference does Olivenza make? Both countries are part of the EU. Besides, ethnically the Portuguese and Spanish are essentially the same people. I crossed the Spanish Portuguese border a few years ago and it was a non-event. The people in Olivenza can speak whatever language they want and they use the Euro. They can also come and go between Spain and Portugal as they please. The case for Gibraltar is very different, the people there are as English as the Turks. It is a place where illegal activities abound. They should not have been allowed to settle there to begin with. The British should have limited their presence to military personnel only. They created a "self determination" issue to have an excuse to remain there.

@Tusiriakest

25 күн бұрын

@@Fast58Eddie It might be the same thing to you. I don't get why Catalans want independence cause they all seem spanish to me, the same with the scotish and the english... all the same to me...Denmark, Sweden and Norway? Being three different countries almost blows my mind... But Spaniards and Portuguese? Spaniards come from the Iberians, while the Portuguese come from Lusitanian Celts; the Visigoths colonized Spain, Portugal was colonized by the Suebi, Spaniards had 300 y+ of arab rule than Portugal...etc etc etc... So... nothing against my Spaniard friends on a personal sense, they are great neighbours (most of the time), awesome party goers, and have a very beautiful country, but if you can't spot the differences, we can... And we have had the same borders since 1297... without any problem... so why ruin that? Spain is bound by treaty to return the territory... it should do so.. as simple as that...

@kevinnolan1339

25 күн бұрын

When you have to resort to whataboutery, you've generally lost the argument.

@JamesKerLindsay

25 күн бұрын

@kevinnolan1339 I generally agree. But this isn’t exactly whataboutery. I’d usually consider whataboutery to focus on a rather different case as a way of deflecting the debate on a specific issue. For example, responding to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine by asking what about the US and Iraq. In this case, there is a direct link between Spain’s claim to Gibraltar and the fact that it doesn’t respect the fact that it is in a similar situation with other territories. Also, while Spain refutes Britain’s arguments over Gibraltar, it employs the same arguments regarding Ceuta and Melilla.

@adrianpulido4933

25 күн бұрын

@@Tusiriakest Maybe I am mistaken but the treaty that compels Spain to give back Olivenza also said that the portuguese had to give back some territories in the south of Brazil to the Banda Oriental, now better known as Uruguay. The Brazilians got their independence before that happened, so the treaty is no longer valid

I really think Spain missed a trick when they failed to point out that they have no obligation to accommodate the UK after it voted to leave the EU and create the border issue by choice. The government of Spain has no responsibility to make allowances for the fact that the British voter apparently cares less about Gibraltar than the other way round (as the repeated pro-UK votes in the territory appear to imply in some sense). Also, just for laughs, I'd like to see Saudi Arabia assert a claim to Gibraltar given their "historic ties" to the place via the Umayyads 😂 What a ridiculous situation for the UK to be entangled in all for the preservation of their dead naval power status, all while decrying others for the same kind of self-centered foreign policy. Veneer of "the wishes of the people of Gibraltar" notwithstanding.

@cohort075

26 күн бұрын

Gibraltar was a British territory before Britain went into the EU, so it is understandable that when Britain finally gets itself out of the EU, Gibraltar will leave also.

@eljanrimsa5843

26 күн бұрын

The Saudis have built a big mosque at the Southernmost point of Gibraltar to remind everybody of that.

Norway and Denmark lost a lot of territory to Sweden 350 years ago, so not that much longer than Gibraltar has belonged to UK. Same as with Gibraltar those areas had belonged to Norway and Denmark since they were founded as nations, so you could argue that they are “occupied lands” and Norway and Denmark should get them back. And just disregard any referendums. So why are Norway and Denmark not demanding this? Because, unlike Spain they are grown ups that doesn’t sulk like small kinds over something that happened hundreds of years ago.

@alicelarsson165

23 күн бұрын

Norway didn't gain real independance until 1905. My great-grandmother whom I knew even lived then. Before that they were quite subdued and bossed around by us in the Swedish-Norwegian Union, and before that by Denmark for many centuries. So basically, I think they're just humble and thankful that Sweden so mercifully even allow it's neighbours to exist today. I'd support giving Skåneland back to Denmark tho just because I feel such pity for them.

@truxton1000

23 күн бұрын

@@alicelarsson165 Yes that's very funny. Norway between 1814 to 1905 was not really governed from Stockholm. As it had its own parliament, its own budget, state income and tax system, its own police and army, its own constitution and laws. So Norway was in reality independant already. Also remember Norway celebrate their independance day to be 17 May 1814, when they got their constitution, not when the Union with Sweden happened. Seden did not really interfere much at all with what the Norwegian Parliament decided. One change was in 1889 when Parlamentaianism was implented, meaning they stopped taking notice what the Swedish King had to say. But when the Norwegian parliament in 1904 voted to have its own consulates the Swedish did not agree. Before this it was actually not a majority in the Norwegian parliament to want independence from Sweden, that the Swedes refused to approve of Norwegian consulates changed this, and the Norwegian parliament voted in 1905 for Norwegian independence, later supported by a referendum, so that was that. The Norwegian army, especially the navy was strong enough to prevent Sweden from invade, (the swedish army was of course larger but both armied had similar training and equipment) as it would have led to a very bloody and expensive war. Also Swedish unions threatened with a general strike if an invation would take place, even the Swedish army threatened with mutiny.

Franco died in the mid 70s (1975)

@lynnhubbard844

24 күн бұрын

I was there as a foreign university student when he died...we were asked to go traveling til things calmed down. We trained down to Gibraltar and took the ferry to Morocco...Fez, Ceuta, and Tetuan

So if Spain held it from 1462, it has been British for about 80 years longer than it was Spanish.

@gibraltarik

26 күн бұрын

And Moorish for longer than both combined

@nunosilva187

25 күн бұрын

@@gibraltarik and lusitanian before that.

@matt47110815

25 күн бұрын

And Roman, way longer. Britain needs to finally understand, that shit does not belong to them, just because they want it.

@alexbiden9567

25 күн бұрын

@@matt47110815 you tell that to Spain who have cities in Morocco

@bobhob35

25 күн бұрын

@@matt47110815 by that logic it shouldn’t belong to Spain either

Dear Prof. Many thanks -- great delivery

@JamesKerLindsay

24 күн бұрын

Thank you so much! Really appreciated! :-)

It's a fascinating territory, and I'm sure we'll hear more about it because of Gibraltar's obvious stratregic value. Hopefully, local residents will be able to live in circumstances that makes sense to them as well as the U.K. and Spain. Thanks again for the great video!

Its convenient for the british to say that we should let the people that live in Gibraltar vote and let them decide. When you drove out the original population when you took Gibraltar in 1704. That is the reason it is considered a colony by the UN. Because the people that lived there, where displaced. And after that displacement you repopulated Gibraltar with a lot of British, not only but a lot. You like to bring up Ceuta and Melilla a lot in this conversations but there is no point to that. As those Spanish cities have been spanish BEFORE there was any form of Morocco, at all. There is nothing that makes it a colony. As the UN says itself, Ceuta and Melilla are not colonies, but Gibraltar is a colony. James makes great material. But in this video he left some things out. We have to be honest in that the UK has been taking advantage of Spain about the territory around Gibraltar. In the 1850s during an epidemic the Spanish gave the UK permission to built barracks in Spain outside of the agreed territory of British Gobraltar to combat the epidemic. And after the epidemic that Spain helped the UK to combat, the UK stayed and created a new border basically stealing land. And then again for example in 1908 the UK took yet more territory. Amd the uk again extends artificial land to build a god damn airport on stolen territory that is outside of the agreed area according to the treaty. Where does it say in the tready that the UK can take territory as they please? After all of this, the UK has the b@lls to do maintanance and crewchanges on their nuclear submarines in Gibraltar. How convenient. If something horrible where ro happen, it would just happen in southern Spain so who cares, right? We Spanish people are actually really fed up with this. There is more, but this comment is already to long. Those are the problems problem.

@flashtrash7830

6 күн бұрын

"Where does it say in the treaty that the UK can take territory as they please?" Practice is not limited to what the treaty allows. Spain accepts international law. See my post on this thread on the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea which Spain signed up to in 1997

@rallemeister9043

6 күн бұрын

@@flashtrash7830 i did not mention the sea, I have only talked about the landgrab...which is not on par with international law. Dont even try dude.

@flashtrash7830

6 күн бұрын

@@rallemeister9043 Hahaha! - it's a discussion thread not a gun-fight.

@rallemeister9043

5 күн бұрын

@@flashtrash7830 Hahaha yeah that is true, but I just hope that people from the UK understand that it has not been totally fair even tho we have a contract after the war of 1714

Another very informative video, thank you. It would be interesting to know the make-up of the Gibraltarian population. How many are ethnecially Gibraltarian and how many are British from Britain? Like Northern Ireland has a high planter decendency, which influences the Irish unification debate today. Although opinion polls in Gibraltar in the high 90's persentage-wise are pretty conclusive. It would still be interesting to know the population make-up nonetheless.

@krisinsaigon

26 күн бұрын

They are from Genoa a lot of them, I think there are Maltese too

@TomTomicMic

25 күн бұрын

If they are legal residents of Gibraltar it makes little difference, Spain would just take the vote from the third house away from a white house if it meant they could take it over, it's a hill of beans and has no legitimacy of how the Gibraltar population is currently made up!?!

@user-jp1ge5nb2f

25 күн бұрын

@@krisinsaigon I can't remember where I heard it but I was under the impression that most Gibraltans are not descended from "British" emigrants and that the majority are from various places in the Mediterranean. A legacy of the British imperial possessions and military actions over the centuries. The Maltese rings a bell. I wasn't aware of the Genoan connection but I wouldn't be surprised.

@krisinsaigon

25 күн бұрын

@@user-jp1ge5nb2f I actually went there about 25 years ago when I went to Morocco on holiday, and the people didn’t look ethnically British.

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

16 күн бұрын

@@krisinsaigon Of course not the British from Great Britain would've been the navy ratings and permanent army soldiers stationed there. The civilian population were from other parts of the Empire. For the British born civilians Gibraltar was not an attractive location, insalubrios and with few amenities. It wasn't until the end of the WWII that conditions improved and the population grew.

Love your channel and content. Care to share links to the maps indicating trade route as well the African map. Much appreciated and thanks in advance.

the deliberate timing of this was hilarious 😂

@erikthomsen4768

25 күн бұрын

It would seem that I'm missing some context…

When I heard the first live results, which came from Gibraltar, in the 2016 Referendum, I thought 'Wow, that's a done deal then!'.

@nymuelovan

26 күн бұрын

Thats funny. Gibraltar is colonized by britainers 😮😅

@krisinsaigon

26 күн бұрын

@@nymuelovanno, they are mostly from Genoa in Italy

@nymuelovan

26 күн бұрын

@@krisinsaigon I mean its true you let some mafiosos in because of the lack of proper regulation, but there are no spanish there, so obviously nobody there wants to make Gibraltar spanish.

@iankingsleys2818

26 күн бұрын

Then the Sunderland result came in.

10:44 comparing NI to Gibraltar and the SBAs is, to put it mildly, problematic and inaccurate.

Great video, thank you!

Learned a lot, thank you! Great video, as always.

I bet if polling suggested that Gibraltarians no longer supported remaining part of the UK.... the UK would suddenly no longer care as much about "self determination" for Gibraltarians.

@TheAlb100

24 күн бұрын

Of course not. Self-determination is a scam; the whole idea of it was to divest Britain of its imperial territories post-war and it destroyed the British Empire at the behest of the Russians and Americans who insisted upon its development in international law. The British dont, or shouldn't, give a damn about it.

@Chameleon1616

24 күн бұрын

This is essentially criticising the UK for a hypocrisy is has not yet committed to defend a disrespect for self determination that Spain is continuously committing along with the hypocrisy of owning North African territories that wish to be part of Spain.

@jstewart4205

24 күн бұрын

Polls are for the Polish, Gibraltar had a referendum. "Do you approve of the principle that Britain and Spain should share sovereignty over Gibraltar?" - The result was 98.97% NO!

@UvekProblem

23 күн бұрын

@@jstewart4205 the point was if the answer was YES UK Wouldn't be doing much. You can look at some other overseas territories that don't want to be ruled by the UK

@UvekProblem

23 күн бұрын

@@Chameleon1616 No this is essentially looking at all the overseas territories and how they self determine and not just a few whose self determination works in their interest

Imagine if all countries wanted to change their borders to what used to exist hundreds of years ago .

@JamesKerLindsay

26 күн бұрын

Great point! That's really the deeper issue here, isnt it? Spain is aggrieved because it lost something three hundred years ago. I understand that. But let's take a look at a map of Europe from three hundred years ago. Imagine if every country followed the same idea. Also, I'm hearing a lot of people say that it is geographically Spanish. Again, I'm not very comfortable with that idea. What does geographically part of a specific country even mean? Even in the context of islands it can be very problematic. Ultimately, I support the idea that it must be up to the people of these territories to choose, either as part of a formal process of decolonisation or with a legally mandated independence process (rather than unilateral secession).

@bittripper3530

26 күн бұрын

It would cause chaos

@lloydmeadows3471

26 күн бұрын

@@JamesKerLindsay your last sentence leaves out other options. The could continue as they are now - a self-governing territory with the UK responsible for security and foreign affairs. They could integrate with the UK (as French overseas territories have done) but that would come at a cost to the local economy. The idea of decolonisation is frankly absurd - Gibraltar is not a colony.

@alanbrookes275

26 күн бұрын

True Mongolia has a claim to most of the world as the most extensive empire in history.

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

16 күн бұрын

@@stewatparkpark2933 Imagine if all countries decided to interfere in an internal matter of succession and took the opportunity to bite a chunk of their territory and refused to give it back. Terrible no ?

Very, very good, indeed. Would you be willing to take a look at the issue of Olivença. It's similar, in some ways. Thank you!

@JamesKerLindsay

24 күн бұрын

Thank you so much. This is coming up a lot. I really should take a look at it.

@antoniogomespereira6667

24 күн бұрын

@@JamesKerLindsay Thank you, sir. Although I do not intervene a lot, I do love your videos. Thank you for them and for your response.

The solution should be some kind of extraterritorial agreement like for Andorra, Lichtenstein, Vatican City and Republic of San Marino. The issue here is that Gibraltar wants to be part of a foreign state far away, not a state on their own like Cyprus did.

What’s the difference between between the UK having Gibraltar. And Spain having : Parsley Island, Ceuta and Melilla

@JamesKerLindsay

18 күн бұрын

A great question.

@briocheoleary5043

18 күн бұрын

@@JamesKerLindsay it's always intrigued me. Geog BA Hons and fan of the channel 👍

@user-cm9pt8bo3l

18 күн бұрын

@@JamesKerLindsay A great question, and when used in this discussion it is an undoubted symptom of the absence of real arguments in the discussion.

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

16 күн бұрын

@@briocheoleary5043 A lot Spain would never willingly hand over Spanish provinces to an Absolutist Monarch who uses torture and imprisonment as tools of the state and still retains the death penalty.

@jaimendaniel5578

10 күн бұрын

Lots of differences. The history is totally different.

Most of what you have said is very skew. In 1938 while Spain was in a civil war, they stole more Spanish territory and built an airport. In the 1960s, the UN voted by majority to decolonize Gibraltar. In the 60s, England left it as a tax haven but since the border was closed they dedicated themselves to tobacco smuggling. In the 80's when Spain opened the border it was still a tax haven, black money increased towards the new banks that were installed, and lots of online gaming companies since there were almost no taxes, so there was an economic boom in Gibraltar for the rich settled there. I suppose from the UK and associates. They are in paradise buying luxurious mansions in Sotogrande with luxurious golf clubs, because the border is open. They continue to launder money under the umbrella of the UK, how are they going to want anything to change? no way, like this forever. That is why the British government perfidiously claims to respect the will of the inhabitants of Gibraltar, even the newcomers which the treaty you have read does not even mention inhabitants at all. Did the UK government say that the will of the inhabitants of Hong Kong should be respected? Nope! China too big to mess around.

@JamesKerLindsay

22 күн бұрын

Sorry, but none of that makes what I said a fallacy. All you ah w down is added more detail to what I have said. So, thank you for that. (There is only so much one can cover in a 10-15 minute video.) But I should say that suggesting that I set out to device, as using the word fallacy suggests, is deeply unfair and I usually delete comments suggesting that I have lied. I make these videos in good faith. I don’t set out to deceive anytime. Please edit your comment accordingly.

Was the German girl from Hannover who became known as "Empress of India" also "Empress of Gibraltar" or Las Malvinas?

What problem?

As long as Spain doesn't try to poke there finger in Gibraltars politics and life. In 2002 i voted for keeping Gibraltar British as did 9899% of the population as my family did the same in 67s. My family has been there since 1786 we may have British names but we are a ethnic diverse family with Maltese, Jewish, Arab, Spanish, British & Irish ancestors.

@JamesKerLindsay

23 күн бұрын

Thanks. That’s amazing to think you have such a long ancestry in Gibraltar. It really does underscore that it has a truly distinct identity.

@meobligatwitter

22 күн бұрын

lo que siempre han hecho los británicos mover población según su interes, como va la Guayana Esequiba, callados como ...

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

21 күн бұрын

@@michael5265 Yes a little outpost of Empire serving the narrow interests of a few privileged individuals belonging to the ruling class, the military and the City

@adamcorres

19 күн бұрын

@@michael5265 The problem was that in the Referendum 99% of Gibraltarians rejected being ruled by an elected givernment based in London and chose instead to be ruled by the unelected government of the European Commission based in Belgium.

@elnoideelsencarrecs8528

11 күн бұрын

​@@michael5265 Gibraltar is a colony full of settlers, so who voted in that referendum were the settlers, the native people that live it in the rock before 1713 were obligate it to live from his land.

Nothing to dispute, the people there want to remain British, unless they have a change of heart Gibralters status should remain as it is.

@jezalb2710

26 күн бұрын

Folks in Northern Ireland will soon have their say too

@gawkthimm6030

26 күн бұрын

@@jezalb2710 yeah its a part of the good Friday peace agreement, there can be called referendums and the UK has signed unto agree to that referendum... no such deal exists in Gibraltar

@0816M3RC

26 күн бұрын

​@@gawkthimm6030 Gibraltar's status is settled.

@gawkthimm6030

26 күн бұрын

@@0816M3RC thats what i said...

@ronaldderooij1774

25 күн бұрын

I see your point, but rarely in human history, is what the people want a decisive factor for states. States know interests (defined by the elites), nothing else.

Thank you.

@JamesKerLindsay

26 күн бұрын

You're welcome! Thanks.

@mussajavdan8203

24 күн бұрын

I think Dr, Lindsay just deleted my comment on this issue . We have been disagreed on several topics and we had some conversations in the past . I did not thought it could go so far as deleting peoples comments ,just because we don't share your opinion . WHAT A SHINE DEMOCRAT YOU TRULY ARE . And what a shame

Great presentation

@JamesKerLindsay

22 күн бұрын

Thank you so much!

I detect the usual "errors" in the story, easy to detect when Franco appears in the story. It is the UN that urges the UK to decolonize the territory and it is the UK that responds with a supposed right of the population that inhabits Gibraltar after WWII (years in which it was emptied of people, remember), and it is then that the British refusal to fulfill the international mandate, Franco, in compliance with the Treaty of Utrecht, proceeds to close the gate. And the gate only opens as a result of Spain's accession to the European Community in the 80s. That of meeting the wishes of the current inhabitants of Gibraltar (the originals, with their archives, flag, religious images, etc., were expelled and founded San Roque, remember) was just an excuse. And it is an excuse because the treaty refers to the territory, and the Spanish claim is about the territory. You can believe me when I tell you that NO ONE in Spain wants the current inhabitants of Gibraltar to have a Spanish passport. It is just a smoke screen conveniently deployed to try to justify what can no longer be justified. The negative effects of The Rock on the surrounding towns are very visible if you read the data. As you move away from The Rock the economy is better, anyone who doubts this can consult all the statistics they want. Therefore, it is feasible that tomorrow, a tough government in Spain will consider closing the gate again, complying with the Treaty of Utrecht (the only basis that legally sustains the British presence) or imposing heavy entry and exit tolls, unbearable for the weak local economy, artificially grown in recent years. Everything else, fantasies of those who long for an Empire that is long gone.

@persona8991

19 күн бұрын

It's not a colony and it has nothing to do with fantasies of empire, you are a child.

@user-cm9pt8bo3l

18 күн бұрын

@@persona8991 If it stings, as I see, it means it disinfects.

what happen to democracy - the people decided to stay with the UK - end of storey - if Spain wins, then they need to give up land in Afica

@mussajavdan8203

24 күн бұрын

Well Dr. Lindsay deleted my comments like always while we have another opinion than him . I write my opinion very politely again Dr. Its is very clear that the wish of the Gibraltar citizens have to bee respected . But it also have to come with consequences. You can not vote to stay in British colony but simultaneously have the benefit as an EU member state ,and the profits of the Spanish territory surrounding you. I believe Spain have been very soften regarding the issue . I would force a very stronger policy so you just wish to be apart of Spain

@tempejkl

22 күн бұрын

It is a settler colonial state

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

20 күн бұрын

@@pradeepmagan6951 I don't see the logic in your argument, the two are different things however much you want to bung them together to make a point.

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

16 күн бұрын

@@pradeepmagan6951 To whom ? Morocco ? A Full on dictatorship with an absolutist Monarchy. You're a very generous person !

Very insightful and interesting. Learning a lot to understand the history of this tiny plot of island.

@JamesKerLindsay

20 күн бұрын

Thank you so much!

Sounds like Gib wants to bake their cake and eat it too. Wanting to stay with England and still have special access to Spain? Definitely worth me doing research on it.

Woke up one day in 1969, and found the Spanish authorities had cut the telephone cables , sealed the border and were trying to starve us, so we would become part of Spain. So had a Gibraltar citizen vote with observer’s from United Nations , if we wanted to become part of Spain. The exact vote details I cannot remember, but were like 2,000 Gibraltar Citizens voted to stay under British Sovereignty. 17 Gibraltar Citizens voted to have Spanish Sovereignty. What people forget the majority of those living in Gibraltar went there to get away from Spain !

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

17 күн бұрын

@@skylongskylong1982 Yes Franco wasn't a patient man and got fed up with the delays to follow UN recommendations.

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

16 күн бұрын

@@skylongskylong1982 I've heard that the flow is going the other way now.. From 2,000 in 1969 to 30,000 inhabitants is a mighty leap in population.

@pedroparra1989

6 күн бұрын

@@skylongskylong1982 Pues que se vuelvan a Inglaterra

There really is no conversation until the people of Gibraltar wish for a change to their sovereignty. The sad thing is, the way UK governments have treated Gibraltarians lately, they will be happy to switch that sovereignty sooner rather than later.

@ryandanngetich2524

19 күн бұрын

Gibraltarians will never want to switch sovereignity lets be real

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

16 күн бұрын

@@darrenmurray861 It makes no economic sense for the UK to retain Gibraltar. It is costly to maintain and you always have the problem of refugees like Hong-Kong though in this case more like climate refugees as Spain is not a dictatorship.

IT seems the Gibraltar’s are really in between a rock and a hard place. I thought the Schengen Agreement solved a lot of freedom of movement issue .

Gib needs a new treaty, protecting the rights of gibraltarians to keep their culture and language, the right of the british to keep a military base and the right of spain to have at least a shared sovereignity over gib.

The British government didn't afford the citizens of Hong Kong, the same right to self-determination

@physiocrat7143

23 күн бұрын

Different treaty and they were in no position to resist China, unfortunately.

@ryandanngetich2524

19 күн бұрын

@@physiocrat7143 No it was mainly the t5reaty nothing else. Plus many HKs were happy to be free of British status

@joshuaabell2033

10 күн бұрын

And then why the Hongkongers would wish to be under the biritish few years after they were returned under mainland china ??? The umbrella movements depicted reality Hong Kong would love to be under the British rule

Gibraltar will probably need to be in the EU like Northern Ireland. There would be checks between GB and Gib but not between Gib and EU

@asparadog

26 күн бұрын

There were previously checks in while Gib was in the EU, most likely it'll continue.

@mussajavdan8203

24 күн бұрын

Well Dr. Lindsay deleted my comments like always while we have another opinion than him . I write my opinion very politely again Dr. Its is very clear that the wish of the Gibraltar citizens have to bee respected . But it also have to come with consequences. You can not vote to stay in British colony but simultaneously have the benefit as an EU member state ,and the profits of the Spanish territory surrounding you. I believe Spain have been very soften regarding the issue . I would force a very stronger policy so you just wish to be apart of Spain

@unaihernandez330

24 күн бұрын

​@@asparadogThey were in the UE but not in Schengen which is different and Frontex was agree with controls

@louisbeerreviews8964

22 күн бұрын

@@asparadogthey left

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

17 күн бұрын

@@hairyhaggis7431 Northern Ireland doesn't have an Irish border force or customs officers which are sine cua non conditions for an agreement with the EU/Spain. In this case Frontex/Spanish. That's the sticking point.

There is no "Gibraltar issue". It's British. The people pf Gibraltar want it to stay that way. So it stays that way. End of.

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

22 күн бұрын

Disputed territory, like many others, is a more accurate description.

The Brits and French each have all these little bits of Empire spread out over the globe, that every now and then pop up as an issue.

Most important detail you forgot to mention: almost all the original inhabitants of Gibraltar left due to the racial cleansing carried by the British. The current inhabitants are descent of the new inhabitants brought by the UK.

@thostaylor

23 күн бұрын

Not really. Most of the original Spanish did leave, but were replaced by Catalans and Minorcans (24%), Genoese and Italians (20%), Portuguese (10%), Maltese, Sephardic Jews and Royalist French. Ethnic British represent only 27% of the population, which is why most Gibraltarians converse in Llanito.

@rice4550

22 күн бұрын

@@thostaylor so op is right the original inhabitants were ethnically cleaned and Britain brought in new inhabitants

@thostaylor

22 күн бұрын

@@rice4550 It depends on how you define ethnic cleansing. By that definition the Spanish ethnically cleansed Gibraltar when they took it from the Moors. You would also have to regard Catalans and Minorcans as not ethnically Spanish.

@flashtrash7830

6 күн бұрын

Sounds like the Spanish Empire in central and South America.

As long as Spain having its enclaves at northern Africa, Spain has no case in claiming Gibraltar. Simple.

@crose7412

26 күн бұрын

Spain's argument about both Ceuta and Melilla is that they were seized before Morocco came into being so therefore it has right to control the territory.

@FlamingBasketballClub

26 күн бұрын

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@heycidskyja4668

26 күн бұрын

@@crose7412 Yes, Spain's claim on that land is incredibly flimsy.

@g1u2y345

26 күн бұрын

Ceuta and Melilla are both rightful Roman clay, let’s be honest

@S3Cs4uN8

26 күн бұрын

@@g1u2y345 So wait, do we give it to the pope now, or Turkey?

Ah yes, Gibraltar, Spain and UK's perennial subject of domestic quarrel. At the very least we can safely say no war will break out over it, unlike war-over-"rightful"-territory Nr. XX. If you do see this message, Professor, I hope you might add to your (I assume pretty large!) list of topics Colombia. Quite a fascinating story there. Guerilla movements, gangs, drugs and political assasinations (even a presidential candidate), to name but the most flashy of subjects.

@juanmata2837

26 күн бұрын

Don’t need to worry about a war breaking out over it because a war already had happened for it

So, here is my idea to fix the issue. First the governments in power are going to face off against each other in a 3-round Counter Strike match. Each win means you get 1 point, you win the majority you gain 2 additional points. Second, the governments then take a 2 day rest where they then will face off against each other in a 3-round match of Rocket League, points remain the same each win 1 point and 2 additional for the winner. After this and a 3 day rest the governments have to face off against each other in Survival Minecraft Multiplayer, whoever gets the first Ender Dragon kill wins 5 points! The final score will then be shown on screen and the one with the most points wins. This would be something that would go down in the history books!

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

16 күн бұрын

@@marilynlucero9363 You have a very florid imagination 😂

I always found this conflict interesting. It’s extremely similar in many aspects to the Panama Canal conflict of the late 20th century. Both were prominent naval positions taken largely unjustly via imperialism, hold a significant population from the conquering country (the Zonians are an extremely interesting topic unto themselves,) however while the UK seems to treat the Spanish government as largely equal, relative to the United States’ imperialist relationship with Panamá turned it into a nationalist issue far more tenuous than the Gibraltar debate. Without that flame, it strikes me as an issue that’ll continually be kicked down the road.

@gawkthimm6030

26 күн бұрын

except the British had control over Gibraltar for many more years than the US did Panama, or Spain itself had control over Gibraltar Spanish Rule 1462-1704:- 242 years British Rule 1704 - 2024:- 320 years

@CedarHunt

26 күн бұрын

Panama wasn't taken by the US as an imperial holding. Your comparison is completely false.

@gawkthimm6030

26 күн бұрын

@@CedarHunt dont matter what you call it, what matters who has the power, authority and control, who got the panama canal profits...

@CedarHunt

26 күн бұрын

@@gawkthimm6030 If it doesn't matter what we call it, then there is no reason to use those inaccurate terms.

@gawkthimm6030

26 күн бұрын

@@CedarHunt well there sort of is, it wasn't until after Roosevelt that the US stopped taking colonial possessions from defeated enemies and was seen as a fellow "imperial great power", just a republican one, like France. Taking Puerto Rico and the Philippines from Spain. Islands of Samoa, Guam etc in the pacific. it wasn't until after ww2 the US committed to decolonizing.

Spain should show good faith by (i) handing Ceuta back to Portugal, (ii) Melilla and assorted rocks to Morocco and (iii) Olivenza back to Portugal after the War of the Oranges 1801, which was left as unfinished business after the Congress of Vienna. And someone has to ask what the apes think, if they'd give up bag-snatching for a while.

@yudeok413

21 күн бұрын

Deep lore man. DEEP.

I think one of the lessons of the last Labour government and Brexit, is that if you want to do anything on Gibraltar, you probably have to persuade the people living there first. In my opinion the Brexit issue - which 90% of Gibraltarians voted against - might provide an alternative solution similar to the Northern Ireland Protocol. I have mixed feelings on Gibraltar being under British rule. While I sympathise as an Irish person with Spain as a country that was also partitioned, the resolution of the NI conflict shows compromises are possible. Also, to be honest, Im a bit worried about the possible rise of Vox in the future. They are already around 10%, and its likely PP will enter a coalition with them next time.

@JamesKerLindsay

25 күн бұрын

Thanks. You’re right. It just come down to the Gibraltarians. But I suspect, like the people of Northern Ireland, that attitudes could well change in years ahead as the inconvenience of Brexit becomes more entrenched. The key difference is that Spain isn’t reaching out to them to show them that they have nothing to fear from joining Spain. Madrid needs to be more active in this. More generally, my sympathy for Spain is rather limited by the fact that it is doing exactly the same with two malls territories in North Africa - Melilla and Ceuta. Perhaps if it was willing to relinquish them many more might be a little more open to its claims to Gibraltar. One of the most obvious examples of hypocrisy in international politics.

@RayThackeray

24 күн бұрын

@@JamesKerLindsay My prediction is that, over time, especially as you raise if Spain becomes solicitous, the allure of rejoining the EU could turn the popular Gib vote to wishing to be part of Spain. If I lived in Gib I would be an active campaigner of that position. Similiarly, if I lived in Northern Ireland I would be campaigning for a united Republic of Ireland ENTIRELY because of Brexit - if the Republic got rid of some of its archaic religious laws.

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

16 күн бұрын

@@mango2005 We shall see, things are changing faster than in previous decades. Information flies instantaneously, countries are heavily in debt, alliances under under strain and climate change is creeping up in the background. Difficult to predict the next 20 years, let alone 50.

I missed this at the beginning as we seemed to rush to the Goths & Romans… In ancient times was this patch of land owned by the Phoenicians and the Carthaginians?

The Falklands and Gibraltar have similarity. They are both disputed by a bigger Spanish Speaking country and its inhabitants both want to remain British. Sovereignty is not only about Independence. It is also about the wishes of the locals about their status.

@MaxSafeheaD

22 күн бұрын

Funny how Britain staunchly abides by that when it suits, but when the result is in doubt it's a different story. Such as in Scotland, after the Brexit farce, and billions of barrels of oil that "mist have fallen down the back of the sofa," then Scotland is forbidden from having a say on their own status.

@thesherbet

22 күн бұрын

In both cases, the territories are largely used as pawns in the Spanish and Argentine political landscapes to distract from ongoing internal issues as well.

@philipcurnow7990

22 күн бұрын

In fact, this is indeed a case of size doesn't matter.

@louisbeerreviews8964

22 күн бұрын

@@thepablykono

@ryandanngetich2524

19 күн бұрын

@@thesherbet Yesss

Apart from the issue of the isthmus, Spain is very hard to sympathise with. One of the foremost colonial powers of all time signs a bit of land away in a treaty. They come to regret that. That piece of land develops its own separate culture, and overwhelmingly rejects annexation into Spain. Some international conflicts are shades of grey, but this one is just tedious nationalist irredentism. No amount of decolonial verbiage can hide the hypocrisy.

@longiusaescius2537

26 күн бұрын

Culture genocide is development?

@artman12

26 күн бұрын

Agreed. I hate to have to side with Britain on this one but they have all the rights to Gibraltar as long as Spain holds Ceuta and Melilla. Can’t have hypocrisy when you’re trying to portray yourself as the victim.

@JamesKerLindsay

26 күн бұрын

Thanks. I would agree. I find these types of dispute very interesting for all sorts of reasons. It’s one thing when we talk about colonialism. It’s another when two European states continue to fight over artificial lines on maps drawn U.K. after otherwise long forgotten wars. If every European state opened up questions about lost territory we’d be in a real mess. I don’t have any particular attachment to Gibraltar (or Northern Ireland for that matter), but I can accept the argument that it is up to the people in question to decide. On top of that, I also recognise the inherent hypocrisy of this situation as Spain complains about Gibraltar but somehow insists that Melilla and Ceuta are completely different. Still, they’ll probably get the upper hand in the football. So, there always that. :-)

@dairebulson7122

26 күн бұрын

Well, the way I see it, Gibraltar is rightfully Spanish, Ceuta and Melilla are rightfully Moroccan, and Western Sahara (SADR) is rightfully a sovereign nation (of which Morocco illegally occupies much of) Of course, Gibraltar should have extensive autonomy within Spain, Ceuta and Melilla should have extensive autonomy in Morocco; furthermore Catalonia and Basque should have the right to vote for independence from Spain if a majority of their people wish it

@Matt_The_Hugenot

26 күн бұрын

​@@dairebulson7122No land belongs to a state by right. Countries font have rights, people do.

What about changing Melilla for Gibraltar?

I haven't heard about the possibility of granting Gibraltar independence, and becoming a de facto member of the EU. It would be a small country, but not the smallest. Think of San Marino, Andorra, Monaco and the Vatican. Military protection might be an issue; perhaps Britain and Spain could work out some joint protection?

Gibraltar is not a British territory, it was and is part of the Kingdom of Spain and its historic land, the treaty never mentioned any sovereignty to be given (only the property of the castle, town and port to the crown not to the state) and the UN declared it as a colony.

@JamesKerLindsay

12 күн бұрын

No, it was signed over to Britain in a treaty. Just as most of the borders of Europe. Do we open all those as well?

@fedevida1951

9 күн бұрын

​@@JamesKerLindsay "...the Catholic King wills, and takes it to be understood, that the above-named propriety be yielded to Great Britain without any territorial jurisdiction..."

It isn't unsolvable/insoluble. Gibraltar is British and the inhabitants fiercely want it to stay that way. Once Spain accepts that, all the issues are solvable/soluble.

@kyoto7323

23 күн бұрын

Gibraltar is Spanish and it's considered as a colony by the United Nations, once UK accepts that and descolonize that all the issues are solved.

@louisbeerreviews8964

22 күн бұрын

@@kyoto7323Gibraltar is British not Spanish look it up

@louisbeerreviews8964

22 күн бұрын

@@kyoto7323you are so wrong is fake

@kyoto7323

22 күн бұрын

@@louisbeerreviews8964 No it's not, it's recognized as a colony you can check it by yourself

@rice4550

22 күн бұрын

i mean its hard for Spain to accept that a population planted there by Britain to cement Britain's claim to Gibraltar voted to remain with Britain

Very interesting analysis. Balanced, serene and dispassionate. Is a delicate topic. The question I ask myself is: How would the British feel if The Isle of Portand was a territory occupied by another country? Perhaps the Spanish are better understood.

@JamesKerLindsay

21 күн бұрын

Thank yo so much. It does have the sort of quality of a famous British comedy ‘Passport to Pimlico’. Seriously, though, I think there might be a lot more sympathy for Spain’s position if it wasn’t holding on to two enclaves in North Afifa, Ceuta and Melilla. It does come across as rather hypocritical to complain about a British enclave when it has its own in Morocco.

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

17 күн бұрын

@@pactubular Indeed !

"a naval base" . Like an underwater naval base housing nuclear armed submarines. A nuance worth mentioning.

Cases like Gibraltar and the Falklands are quite frustrating. The people have spoken loud and clear that they want to remain with the UK, but that doesn't stop the other country from bringing up their historical control of the areas, even though the modern locals don't even descend from the people who used to live there back then.

@John316OBrian-cm4fj

26 күн бұрын

@FairyCRat have you heard of the terms "plantation "and "replacement " I'm irish so I'm an expert

@xenopug6390

26 күн бұрын

​@@John316OBrian-cm4fjthat isn't really relevant. If the people of Gibraltar want it to remain as it is, who are you to deny them that right simply because 300 years ago their distant ancestors didn't live there?

@krisinsaigon

26 күн бұрын

@@John316OBrian-cm4fjexpert because your people took Ireland from its inhabitants and colonized it and now won’t return it?

@yipzoe3865

26 күн бұрын

​@@John316OBrian-cm4fjdo you know that there are 5 millon of Irish offsprings in the UK, they may technically vote the south Ireland back to UK

@yipzoe3865

26 күн бұрын

​​@@krisinsaigon​​ do you know that there are 5 millon of Irish offsprings in the UK, they may technically vote the south Ireland back to UK

There is no Gibraltar problem. 98% of Gibralterians have voted to stay British. Stop talking to the Spanish.

@lesleyrussell8200

23 күн бұрын

britain returned them the balearic islands¿ and they want more?, they lost the battle in british waters with elizabeth 1,and she can returned the coin taking over spain and she let it be.......

@geoffpoole483

22 күн бұрын

Ceuta and Melilla ruin Spain's claims. Gibraltar was ceded to Britain by the Treaty of Utrecht. No chance of Gibraltar going to Spain.

@nikolaevkatesla3823

20 күн бұрын

Gibraltar is a UN recognized colony . That should be decoloniced

@eugenieponleve667

20 күн бұрын

And same number of Gibralterians wished to stay in the EU ,so there is a problem indeed.

@lesleyrussell8200

20 күн бұрын

@@eugenieponleve667 gibraltar is great britain but if they add up the votes of they wanting to stay in eu they dont even come close to the global vote of britain so they are out of eu,

Those who hold it, may keep it.

What part of "in perpetuity" do you not understand

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

17 күн бұрын

@@johndurrant9144 The end date.

@user-qs3rf4hh5n

17 күн бұрын

@@johndurrant9144 What would happen if Putin drops the big in London as he's threatened to do and Britain ceases to exist. Is that covered by the treaty of Utrecht ?