I am honestly disgusted with Phase 4's questionable morals - A terrorist who blows hostages up is sympathetic, while a grieving soldier killing the enemy is a monster - Superpowered witch enslaves people and traps children but she did "the right thing" in the end by letting her fake children and dead boyfriend go - Black Widow's constantly trying to wipe out the "red in her ledger" but never bats an eye when a whole Russian prison complex is buried in an avalanche Feel free to add to this list

@albireo1533

Жыл бұрын

Loki removed free will from the MCU by making everything follow Kang's magical sacred timeline, then acted like it did them a favor by returning it after Sylvie killed him. The whole idea of the sacred timeline and multiple timelines also seriously clashes with the time travel in Endgame

@DrakeKnight99

Жыл бұрын

Parker being in Iron Man 2. Makes no fucking sense

@bryan81584

Жыл бұрын

Wanda going on a killing spree, turning into a no-holds barred villain and in the end defeating herself by dropping a mountain on... herself which is supposed to be a sort of redemption? I dunno. So uneven..like the movie is trying to say you should feel sorry for her after all the murder she just committed. Oh and Thor 4...trying to make all the gods out to be assholes but at the same time look at their deaths as some sort of tragedy while also feeling sorry for the guy killing them?

@silverscorpio24

Жыл бұрын

@@MrChillis13 How many people has Sam killed in the heat of battle? Steve definitely killed people during his run as Cap. At least Walker had a motive to kill the terrorists (unlike Karli). And the *terrorist* (by definition a person that terrorizes people) that Walker killed held Walker hostage while Karli was going to kill him. And don't tell me Karli wasn't going to kill him; she killed people for far less than simply getting in her way.

@carrotkid1

Жыл бұрын

@@MrChillis13 he’s suppose to be USA Agent I’m pretty sure, going to be a part of the upcoming Thunderbolts movie

As someone who has staunchly defended the MCU, having literally grown up with the films, it's safe to say that on a creative spectrum, Marvel peaked with the Infinity Saga. Phase 4 is making money but there is no ingenuity anymore. I also think that the spam of Disney Plus shows is harming people's investment in the movie's long-term. I mean, how many people can name the characters in the Eternal movie or remember Shang Chi's sister's name? Marvel has become a conveyor belt of content and have prioritized quantity over quality.

@lilcountertop

Жыл бұрын

As someone else who is very invested in the MCU, I literally just remembered Shang Chi had a sister.

@lennyztrobos8678

Жыл бұрын

It's not really difficult to write the hero's journey. There's been tons of books and tutorials written about it, and yet somehow they manage to mess it up. Chang-Chi should have been movie number 2. And Chang-chi 1 should have been him growing up, learning to be a ninja, and escaping to America. Mirroring Iron Man 1. But it's all rushed. "We need more demons in there! And they're comming to kill everything in the entier universe!"

@chimichangas365

Жыл бұрын

@@lilcountertop wait she has a sister?

@sakkasufle6326

Жыл бұрын

Its turned into McDonalds. It fucking sucks!

@mrawesome6647

Жыл бұрын

@@lilcountertop As another person who is greatly invested in the MCU, I haven’t even taken the time to watch Shang Chi

They should have made Loki about him stealing a time machine from the TVA and creating as much mischief as possible throughout history

@pascalsimioli6777

Жыл бұрын

Anti - Doctor Who

@Schnort

Жыл бұрын

@@pascalsimioli6777 yes please

@zeestar0112

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Loki has been a different character in all the movies except in Thor and Thor Ragnarok

@krispeybowl

Жыл бұрын

That would’ve been lame af

@drakevoidwalker

10 ай бұрын

A Multiverse of Madness, if you will

What you said about Loki really changed the way I think about him, Why would he kill a mass amount of people with a smile on his face then like 2 days later say "Oh yeah I don't enjoy hurting people" Like wtf that completely changed the entire narrative of the character

@apogeelord7013

Жыл бұрын

He literally witnessed his own future where looses his home and his life and everything, that left him in a state where he felt he has no purpose all he does was going to send him knowhere. That realisation is what changed him

@AppleSaurus01

Жыл бұрын

@@apogeelord7013 No, it’s forced, sped-up character development to make this variant the exact same as the Loki that died in Infinity War so that they don’t have to try and write a completely different version of a previously established character in the MCU. It’s not Loki having a life-changing revelation that coincidentally makes him exactly the same as he was in Ragnarok and Infinity War, it’s just lazy writing so that they don’t have to try and rewrite his character from the ground up.

@apogeelord7013

Жыл бұрын

@@AppleSaurus01 He literally witnessed his future, such event would change a person entirely. Its not a big deal

@TSH425

Жыл бұрын

@@apogeelord7013 it wasent his future tho becuase he escaped he was a varient they showed him what his life could be like IF he didnt escape BUT HE DID they showed him a future that was never gonna happen to him lmao AND HE FUCKING BOUGHT IT LOKI THE TRICKSTER BOUGHT THAT

@apogeelord7013

Жыл бұрын

@@TSH425 Did you even watch the show ? What he saw was indeed his future, Odin's death, his death all those events are about to happen

"Wandas gonna look dumb if she ever uses her powers in a fight" this aged incredibly well

@gsterf

Жыл бұрын

kind of, the opening of doctor strange 2 made her feel like more of a force of nature and if you dont think about it too much then its fine

@mrpuss2519

Жыл бұрын

@@gsterf The Phase 4 movies now come with "Please turn of your phones and brains for the best cinematic experience, thank you."

@juampyvarela

Жыл бұрын

@@mrpuss2519 if you ignore the stupid Dragon ball z red energy balls she throws like if she was a low level threat mutant, her power scale is really well done in multiverse.

@citizenvulpes4562

Жыл бұрын

@@gsterf if you have to say "if you don't think about it too much" then maybe it's not good.

@justabluejaysfan7850

Жыл бұрын

@@citizenvulpes4562 well then do you like Star Wars? Lord of the Rings? If you think of any fantasy series then think about it too much nothing will make sense. So by your logic all fantasy is bad

The thing is Endgame ended phase 3 well enough and it actually felt like a true ending. Continuing from that as things get even bigger is too much to juggle.

@healthiswealth1452

2 жыл бұрын

There seems to be no direction or plan, or there is a plan but we have to wait till we are all 10 years older to find out

@rallyfan101

Жыл бұрын

@@healthiswealth1452 Because plans take time to form. We just got started.

@hardway410

Жыл бұрын

They desperately needed a plan. None of these new things are associated with each other. Everyone keep forgetting that there is a giant celestial hand sticking out the damn earth right now. It's never been addressed.

@2ndHandSmoker

Жыл бұрын

Endgame doesn't exist

@JLOCC23424

Жыл бұрын

@@2ndHandSmoker Yes it does pal

What i really hate about the MCU right now is how the blip didn't affect everyone's lives at all as if it never happened. Five years got by and that's enough to make people go crazy about what happened but when everyone reappeared it's like it was all good. One would imagine the amount of problems it would cause but we don't feel the repercussions of it. What i'd love to see is a bad guy that rose during the 5 year gap making us feel that some have snapped.

@10K_MMore

Жыл бұрын

Thats what I think Ronin shouldve been

@thewotlot

Жыл бұрын

Plus a bunch of people had to of died when the recovery snap happened. I mean how many of them were driving when they got dusted, then bam your in the middle of a road with traffic with no car. .

@10K_MMore

Жыл бұрын

@@thewotlot they already confirmed people got brought to relative safety. But there were deffinitely people who just... appeared on a deserted island

@memoirsofepiphany

Жыл бұрын

they shown the affect of the blip in falcon and winter soilder

@truthspoken549

Жыл бұрын

Das how it is in real life Ppl shoot up schools & the next day ppl act like it never happened

If you hate Wanda's character in WandaVision, then you're gonna hate her character more in Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness.

@jamescarr1265

4 ай бұрын

She was desecrated.

The problem I have with the MCU is that too much is happening all at once. Moon Knight is bringing in all these Gods from other pantheons, but in Thor, Thor clearly stated that he was the sole protector of Earth. Eternals were there all along, but came into zero conflict with other godlike entities. Wenwu (The Mandarin) has been fighting in wars for a thousand years, but yet no other movies ever mention him. In Loki, they say Kang's death led to multiverse problems. In No Way Home, spells were the cause of multiverse problems. In Dr. Strange, it was America Chavez. If you look at the timeline, literally ten different world altering events are happening at the same time. The MCU is just too lazy to have them connect. Each movie is trying to do it's own thing in a world that's too small to handle all these events.

@citizenvulpes4562

Жыл бұрын

Exactly it's all too much. If Marvel just went back to it's roots and focused on what phase 1 did it'd be better. They need to focus on smaller scale battles for solo movies and save multiversal threats for avengers movies or just collaboration movies. They need start setting things up again instead of trying to one up endgame every movie.

@marioxlv1908

Жыл бұрын

You're expecting them to plan 20+ years into the future if you wanted phase 4 newly introduced characters to be mentioned in phase 1, 2 or 3. Kang's death allowed the spell in NWH to become a multiverse problem. I agree it's weird they don't at least reference the world altering events, but you are expecting connections and crossovers too early. It took like 8 years last time for it all to start coming together.

@ethansofinowski7349

Жыл бұрын

America Chavez was so shit omg

@anatolisen

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't have said it better myself

@erichudsonjr5465

Жыл бұрын

@@ethansofinowski7349 yes cuz the name of the movie was america chavez... they'll prolly give her something of a solo film or episode series later

To be fair, Scarlet Witch's powers are all over the place in the comic too. She is a lot like Superman, her powers are whatever the need to be for the current story.

@shoazdon7000

Жыл бұрын

Which is annoying I really hate what they did to her character, they had good development going in the movies

@Skabanis

Жыл бұрын

As a huge comic book collector from the 70-90s her powers were hex but she had so many issues controlling them…also he power were local not across universes…she is now a nexus being she can alter reality, but so can Nathan Richards so can molecule man blah blah blah so many others…

@nicodemous52

Жыл бұрын

@@Skabanis I thought her powers were originally to manipulate probability and the magic stuff was separate, but aided by her natural mutant powers. I'll admit, I'm not super up to date on her. But I do know what powers she has, and how strong they are have changed a lot going back and forth over the years.

@DarKiRage.13

Жыл бұрын

Look up chaos magic, the end

@DangNguyen-jw9fl

Жыл бұрын

She kinda like walking plot device now

to be fair about Bucky willingness to give up a civilian life over going back to heroism even after immense trauma. As a soldier myself, it's difficult to adjust to a civilian life, it's hard to change from that, which is why I find both Captain America and Bucky very relatable in that sense. you can't just stop away from that, you just want to keep fighting cause that's all you know. it's difficult to transition. from a place of war to a place of peace. Even I haven't seen a real battle, and every time I go home I can't seem to think of anything else but going back to being a soldier and going through all that training all over again.

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

The sad thing is in the MCU there's *always* a fight and those fights are going to need decent people to step up, so it's okay for an old soldier to keep in the game.

@favianguerra8954

Жыл бұрын

@@InfernosReaper there is a saying "beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young". It holds truth in reality and in fiction.

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

@@favianguerra8954 it is a fun saying, though there are gonna always be exceptions, like the career military dudes who never served anywhere conflict was happening

@favianguerra8954

Жыл бұрын

@@InfernosReaper always ask for MOS and unit.

What also bothers me is how Sharon Carter is treated in the last episode she is shot and sam doesn't carry her out she has to tend to her wounds herself but sam carries the unalive karli body really. And the fact that it has taken years for Sharon to be forgiven by the government for helping captain America while bucky barely got a slap on the wrists.

@jamescarr1265

4 ай бұрын

Sharon was never a great character but her treatment has been disappointing. Although I have to admit she and Steve had no chemistry 😂

''Why bring a badass villain back from the dead only to take out the villain and the badass parts in his own show.'' sums up Book of Boba Fett to a tee.

@user-ly2ll5od1r

Жыл бұрын

boba fett wasn't bad-ass at all in anything other than mando and book of boba fett, dafuck are you smoking? Boba fett got pushed into a sarlac by blind man, other than that he did absolutely nothing other than stand imposingly.

@hydrocritical2268

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ly2ll5od1r A gross oversimplification just to cope with the fact Book of Boba ruined him.

@Badmunky64

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, Boba was never a badass in the movies. He just stands around and gets knocked over by a blind Han Solo

@TheMarionick

Жыл бұрын

Well I’m not into Star Wars and boba is (or was if you take BoBF into account) one of the coolest characters in my opinion

@user-ly2ll5od1r

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMarionick how? He was a loser that didn't hit a single shot with his blaster and go pushed into a hole while he has A FUCKING JETPACK. In bobf he's cool as fuck, he's honorouble and a lethal marksman that barely if ever misses a shot. Have you watched the finale? He fucking rides a RANCOR, beats Bane in a duel, he's an equal to Mando, if it weren't for his age, he probably would be even stronger.

There was a time when I was excited for every MCU movie. Now I pick and choose because the quality can vary quite a bit. Plus most of my favourite characters are dead or boring now.

@T-3333

Жыл бұрын

Same. Prior to endgame I wouldn't dare miss a single mcu movie or tie in, now I still haven't even finished Hawkeye, and haven't bothered watching shang chi, eternals, or moon knight

@toshtao1

Жыл бұрын

@@T-3333 The Disney Plus shows are optional. Only the movies are important.

@starplatinum453

Жыл бұрын

Same , I watched shang chi and black widow and came to the conclusion the mcu sucks at phase 4 . Endgame should have been the ending.

@Matheuzu42

Жыл бұрын

@@toshtao1 I didn't watch Wandavision but felt it was important after watching Doctor Strange 2

@TheWonder96

Жыл бұрын

@@Matheuzu42 if you watch wandavision after multiverse of madness then it wouldn’t make sense. The shows and movies are all interconnected

Phase 4 is what happens when you tell a good story over 10 years and never thought about how you would follow it up after sticking the landing. It all feels very rushed, while also expecting you to watch everything so you'll get the references and know what's going on. It's become more exhausting than entertaining.

I actually like walker’s character. Not because he kills people but because his reactions to his circumstances are kinda realistic, like its how a real human with his personality would react. Which makes him the most consistent character in phase 4 right now.

@Wolffman109

Жыл бұрын

He was the only good thing to come out of that fucking mess.

@ggt47

Жыл бұрын

​@@Wolffman109 Honestly I felt bad for him. He is not "evil". The only bad thing he did was get aggressive with that one person "do you know who I am"? That is really it.

@nont18411

Жыл бұрын

You are wrong though. He doesn't kill "people" because he only killed one person and that person is a terrorist.

@GabesEdtiz

8 ай бұрын

@@nont18411He still executed the guy publicly in front of a lot of bystanders with social media platforms at their disposal. That wasn’t exactly going to paint him in a good light. Sure, I understand why he did it, but the other guy wasn’t even the one who killed Lamar. It was that Karli girl lol. Though I still don’t see how that gave the government cause to strip him of his title as Cap.

@anonme_

4 ай бұрын

@@GabesEdtiz You gave the answer yourself; he did all it in front of people with their cameras turned on. And it's easier to show "powerful bad, weak good" than to figure out the nuances of power and resources. Also, I blame Sam and Bucky for never having helped Walker. Imagine you're already in the business of killing people for the greater good, to protect those you love and shit and then you get bullied by a bunch of sad losers who hate you because you worked hard enough to receive a title that previously belonged to their friend. They were seriously nothing but bullies in that fucking show and you can't convince me otherwise. If Walker and Karli were bad (in their own, different ways), Sam and Bucky were worse. It's a shame how they fucked-up such good characters.

I think the problem is they are trying to start three different sagas at once: - Young Avengers with Yelena, Kate Bishop and Stature. - Multiverse with Antman, Scarlet Witch and Doctor Strange - New heroes being centered around almost mythic threats like Black Knight, Moon Knight, Blade, and Shang chi. A fourth possible saga is with Eternals exploring more cosmic threats. Edit: Holy crap thanks for the likes, guys! I appreciate it!

@One-EyedCorvus

2 жыл бұрын

I think another problem is that; when this whole thing started, we knew what story they were building to once we saw the post credits scene in the first avengers, but we’ve reached the end of that story and now what? What’s the big story? Who’s the big bad? What are they even building to? Kang, Thunderbolts, Incursions, secret wars, whatever the fuck is going on with eternals, I mean seriously what the hell is the overarching story supposed to be? I agree they’re trying to start too much at once. But what are they even building to in the first place. It feels so disjointed.

@jeffhamilton4587

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and all led by the fem. "Heroes." Keep in mind, "If the 'main' character needs to be rescued by another, female character, the rescuing character is in fact the lead character." (R.J. Shaw)

@ravinglibertopian3226

2 жыл бұрын

@@One-EyedCorvus Hit the nail right on the head ; nailed it. This is my problem with phase 4 ; and why I predict it's going to mark the beginning of the decline of the MCU. They're trying to jumpstart way too many stories at one time, and over time ; the quality is going to suffer because of it. This is what happens when a company starts caring more about greed and appeasing shareholders over top quality content with interconnected but deep story telling.

@isthatbraised

2 жыл бұрын

@@ravinglibertopian3226 Let's hope the Dceu manages to take advantage of this decline and hopefully start a somewhat stable line of movies, because Aquaman, Snyder cut, the new Batman, both the new Suicide squad and Peacemaker, are all movies/series' that I really enjoyed. Not to say I'm a DC fan, I like both* respectfully but tbh, DC stuff recently, more or less, slapped

@isthatbraised

2 жыл бұрын

@@One-EyedCorvus I think they're trying to replicate the format of the previous phases, but it feels too artificial or obvious that it doesn't "flow" aswell as past phases. It doesnt feel as natural as I wanted, it's almost like most of them prioritize the placement of the movie in the timeline rather than the story in the movie itself. Maybe that's why "What if" felt like a big breather for mcu movies/series

for those who say that "Oh, look, MCU is making billions, so it can't be bad.", yes it can. Making money does not mean good storytelling. Good storytelling can be seen in earlier works of marvel with consistent characters, fantastic world-building, and solid plots. ngl, now MCU movies seem more like youtube videos to me :(

@mirtunjaykumar3330

Жыл бұрын

true i think nwh didnt even had a proper story except fan moments, i mean shang chi had a better story

@gimmeyourrights8292

Жыл бұрын

And as a matter fact. There is a very infamous name of someone who made billions of dollars while being shit and his name is Michael Bay.

@realmusic3914

Жыл бұрын

Uhh your wrong dumass Making money does mean good movies/storytelling. The more money they make, means the more people love what's going on. Dummy🤣 think before u speak

@insensitive919

Жыл бұрын

"Eat shlt, millions of flies can't be wrong." -Ancient proverb

@burstness

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. It's like saying "EA is making millions, so it is a good gaming company". EA is still labeled as the worst gaming company due to their predatory tactics. Making bank is not equal to quality.

"you just read from left to right like every other book." Manga readers:"What?"

If I were an MCU writer, I would've made a Phase centered around the Blip and its consequences throughout the universe.

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

That would've been a good way to go about it. Instead it's mostly glossed over. Even in the show that's focused around it, the depiction feels underwhelming and poorly thought through

@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370

Жыл бұрын

@@InfernosReaper not only underwhelming, but they didn't do anything WITH the Blip, instead they just used it as septic tank for jokes without payoff, about the biggest genocide in the history of that universe.

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 and then instead of resetting things back to the way it was, they cause people bipped away to show up after why? because tony stark can solve time travel, but figure out how to keep his family as is despite knowing the quantum realm puts people outside the effects of the infinity stones

@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370

Жыл бұрын

@@InfernosReaper yes! Everytime they handwaved the Snap and made jokes felt awkward and out-of-place. Not to mention the Blip was a monutain of narrative possibilities.

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 yeah, nothing but squandered potential and half-assery. it's a pity, really hell, you'd think the mcu was a bad shonen anime with little the writers think of the audience and how inconsequential the stakes ultimately truly are

I hate how they butchered task master

@malawisupasoldier7478

2 жыл бұрын

They totally ruined him.

@tekajikuyalkrul5111

2 жыл бұрын

Yep they definitely fucked that one up,, my big brother was swearing and cusing the whole time in the cinema cuz that was one of his favourite characters and he always wished he could be like him and manipulate any actions once he sees it just like the Taskmaster but then he gets this in the movie

@Eking-su3tr

2 жыл бұрын

@@malawisupasoldier7478 her* I still don't get why they gender swapped just to end up using the male stunt double for like 80% of the movie anyway. like just hv the stunt double do it, he's clearly right for the job....but girlboss or watever ig

@Tyler_W

2 жыл бұрын

Who was that "twist" even for? Using Drakov's daughter made sense for the story, but that whole "the badass male character is actually a secret woman" trope (which almost always sucks) was a surprise meant to shock literally nobody except the people who already knew and wanted a proper Taskmaster because the average viewer doesn't know who tf Taskmaster even is. It felt like a twist that served no other purpose than to antagonize the audience who actually reads comic books. Beyond that, it was a twist that didn't need to exist. If they would've made it obvious from the jump that this Taskmaster was a woman, you'd still have an argument against gender swapping characters, but it would've been more honest and less antagonistic by not dangling a proper Taskmaster in front of the people who actually wanted it. I don't think it ruins either Natasha or Yalena, but there is so much I didn't like about that movie, which is sad, because I really wanted that movie to happen, and it had so much potential.

@KaosNova2

2 жыл бұрын

Long drawn out stories seem overrated

Man, Loki losing to 3 humans with no powers aside from some stupid slowtime weapon was hilarious but not in the way the show wanted me to feel. It was embarassing.

@travishowell290

Жыл бұрын

Tell me you know jack fuck about the TVA without telling me you know jack fuck about the TVA.

@SammEater

Жыл бұрын

@@travishowell290 I know they are a bunch of normal humans that have no skills besides a stupid slow time weapon.

@jm_r245

Жыл бұрын

i may be misremembering but wasnt Loki unable to use his powers in the TVA

@SammEater

Жыл бұрын

@@jm_r245 He got caught outside though. He had all his powers and still got his ass kicked by an average woman with a stick.

@DarKiRage.13

Жыл бұрын

@@SammEater 🤦‍♂️

The thing with Loki is that his character development in his show relies on his growth throughout the MCU until Infinity war. But it doesn't work because he came straight outta Avengers.

@jamescarr1265

4 ай бұрын

They wanted to both have their cake and eat it as well. It’s safe to say they FAILED.

The series has gotten too big imo. There’s been wayyy too many characters introduced in phase four. Phase four is similar to phase one in the fact that both phases are supposed to kick off a huge arc and introduce new characters. Phase one only introduced like four or five. Phase four has introduced like 10-15 new characters. Also they haven’t finished any of the old characters storylines with the exception of a few like captain America and iron man. Seems way too cluttered at this point with like thirty main characters now

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

Ironman, Captain America, Black Widow, Hawkeye, War Machine, and Thor, with Hulk being properly in the MCU until Avengers. That's pretty easy to keep with Phase 2 brought in the Guardians, Wanda, and Ant Man, as well as bringing back Bucky. The roster's basically doubled, but still manageable Phase 3 only really added Spider-man, Black Panther, Dr Strange, and Captain Marvel(who's introduced so late in the game that it's genuinely baffling why she's even there). Phase 4 easily matched the previous 3 phases and is going well beyond that, as they pull out every random character they can in the hopes of finding the next big hero people will care about. Only, this throwing everything to the wall to see what sticks method doesn't work if they don't actually hit the wall

I remember all the hate for Walker and it got kinda stupid. I remember reading Twitter post arguing that the character symbolizes racism in America. Which I find odd to claim considering his best friend is black and he killed a dude to avenge his friends death. I remember watching it with my family and my mom and my sisters would go on about how they hate Walker because he isn’t Steve and he is trying to be Steve. My response to all this is… Walker was actually my favorite character from the show… I understood his conflicts and they didn’t feel forced or preachy. He is a very well done Anti-Hero. He is a man who wants to do good for his country, like Steve, and he was given this mantel, simply because the government wanted a face to gain better public option and poor Walker is manipulated by the people in power and HE pays for it. Then when he is tempted with the serum he feels he has no choice but to take it in order to stand a chance.

@fornax4676

2 жыл бұрын

I loved Walker & Bucky. They were my favorite characters in the show. Falcon was done terribly.

@hiderryce1861

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently from what I’ve heard, his friendship is apparently a symbol of white people using black people to gain success or something, but like walker and Lamar felt like actual friends, so I really don’t get that. Like if the friendship was more one sided I’d see it, but it wasn’t

@Tyler_W

2 жыл бұрын

If that's what they think then these people don't understand how symbolism works. If he symbolizes anything, it's the foibles of potentially well-meaning but belligerent and destructive foreign military interventionism, not racism, becaise Walker obviously isn't a racist. Honestly, the only obvious racists were the really stupidly on the nose police officers who held up Sam until they found out he was Falcon (and had no reason to be in the show at all) and to sime extent, Isaiah Bradley (although im not sure how much of that was intentional). Walker was a really sympathetic dude and was probably my favorite next to Bucky. Falcon felt like he was jerked around a bit and was made to do some out of character things because the plot demanded it which resulted in some shaky logic for a couple of his actions. I still liked him, but I found myself occasionally thinking, "okay, but why though." I'm fine with him getting the shield and the new costume, but he should always be Falcon. Nobody will remember him as Captain America because he will forever be in the real Cap's shadow the longer he claims the title. He (and almost every other black or nonwhite character this is done to) is better as an original character. Let him homage his friend and partner, Steve, but he should own his own identity as Falcon. The visual iconography represented by the shield is enough. Let Falcon be Falcon, just as John Walker will go on to be US Agent.

@fornax4676

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tyler_W I 100% agree. I think you’re right about what the writers were going for and I too liked Bucky & Walker. I hope that Wyatt Russell comes back and that Marvel compensates him appropriately for some of these super fans’ nonsense.

@josesarango3408

2 жыл бұрын

Walker is the only character post Endgame that I like

Here's my main problem with Phase 4. It doesn't feel like it's leading up to anything. It introduced Kang in Loki and we haven't seen him since. Meanwhile with Thanos you just FELT his shadow LOOMING over the MCU like a dark cloud rolling in. Even when he wasn't on screen you felt his presence. The movies seem disjointed as well, and if they went from "must connect" to "solo movies" I wouldn't mind. I think that's honestly what they should've done post Endgame. Endgame felt just as it's titled. THE ENDGAME. You can't go bigger, but you can focus on smaller scale stories going forward. Shang-Chi did this very well. No Way Home did this very well. They had other MCU characters in them, but it focused up and was centered on personal stories. WandaVision did this as well with Wanda only for Multiverse of Madness to completely destroy Wanda's character. Marvel really needs to do a hard stop, and hard left into just really focusing up and getting a hold of quality control. Cause She-Hulk looks BAD and there's no excuse for it.

@fitzabooper7054

Жыл бұрын

I think its actually great that there so far isnt leading up to anything, its basically reset after endgame and the next avengers or big film is far away so eventually they'll build up to something but I do like how everything feels "disconnected". for the she hulk thing tho... the cgi is bad but we cant judge the show from a 2 minute trailer and most people liked the she hulk trailer

@sagwan6991

Жыл бұрын

I think it might work I just have to have faith in the directors. So far they haven't failed.

@tcrpgfan

Жыл бұрын

@@fitzabooper7054 Actually, given the breadcrumbs we've seen just from the lineup, the villains shown, and the greater focus on the cosmic interacting with earth. It's easy to tell they're clearly building up to the F4. Who are primarily all about the last bit about the cosmic side of things.

@marioxlv1908

Жыл бұрын

How long did it take for Thanos to be introduced? something like 4 years after iron man 1? We are not even 4 years into the new phase, it's going to take a bit for the stories to start connecting and for the true big bad to be introduced.

@blue4u2054

Жыл бұрын

I hope you'll be patient and open-minded. It took 10 years for Endgame to happen. Phase 4 pretty much just began. There will be some good movies and some bad movies going forward. And if we get lucky with directors like the Russo brothers along the way, then we may have something as amazing as Endgame in next 10 years!

Couldn't agree more. The humor really got outta hand with Phase 2. They thought Avengers was the way every movie should be and they just leaned into those elements without understanding the reason Avengers worked. It worked because of how genuine and serious a lot of Phase 1 was. Also, Phase 1 had serious characters and comedic characters. Tony was a douche, Cap was funny but more in a dad way, Thor was funny because he's a fish outta water, and Black Widow, Hawkeye and Hulk were more serious characters. After Phase 1, everyone became a comedian. By the time Phase 2 was over (with the exception of Winter Soldier), we had a comedy universe. The moment where the MCU jumped the shark in terms of comedy for me was Iron Man 3 when they had Mandarin be an actor and at one point I think the main bad guy breathes fire. Oh and Pepper ends up dying but immediately coming back to save Tony. This was really the beginning of the female empowerment for no reason other than to shoehorn female empowerment. Then Thor 2, my god. I remember Thor just saw his mom get killed, then he sees Loki "die" and immediately in the next scene, we see Thor having a comedic scene where he's jealous of a phone call Jane makes. It's straight up silly and it undermines what just happened in the previous scene.

@blankname6629

Жыл бұрын

I think most of the movies made before the avengers series is better than the avengers series. The writing becomes very messy when you have to appease air time for so many characters. Let’s be honest Thor ragnarok is really the only good movie made since the first avengers movie. Every other movie is just an over blown mess or a just a live action version of the lion king (black panther).

@Alena-cz7hj

Жыл бұрын

@@blankname6629 Thor ragnarok makes Thor look like a stupid clown and not like a 1500+ yo god. Taika take on making characters funny = make them dumb as hell.

@LordVader1094

Жыл бұрын

@@blankname6629 Lol no, not even close. Winter Soldier is leagues better. Ragnarok, like L&T, is just "dramatic or emotional scene undercut by shitty comedy: the movie".

@pascalsimioli6777

Жыл бұрын

@@blankname6629 Unfortunately I think people who belive Thor Ragnarok is a good movie is the same people who ruined marvel. Thor Ragnarok is a 2 hours admission of incompetence in terms of writing. "we don't know how to make Thor interesting so we made him a clown. Go Thor, make a funny!"

Well said, sir. The deterioration of the MCU, though it took wayyy too long, is finally being acknowledged by general audiences. Phase 4's legacy will not be a fondly remembered one... if, of course, anybody can remember it... at all. Very well made video. Hope to see more from ya in the future.

Probably should have just restarted after endgame. The MCU could do a few epilogue movies like Spider-Man, wait a few years to gain hype, then restart. Begin with the unused characters and slowly add the characters we like, how the original MCU did that.

@UToobUsername01

Жыл бұрын

The way to fix the mess is have all the characters be forced to enter an alternate dimension and the old world they lived in is judged and destroyed. The old heroes would still exist in the new universe but have memory wiped out and given a destiny that they must fulfill but are not conscious of. The idea is that nobody can cope with the weight of responsibility to protect innocent people anymore (the psychological effect would traumatise them after Thanos suceeded in killing so many people) so God basically intervenes on events much like the Flood of Noah in the old testament. Only select chosen few are allowed to remember what happened in the old age before the destruction. Heroes would be optimistic again since they forgot all the dead innocent people from the past.

@Beastinvader

Жыл бұрын

The right choice would have been waiting 10-20 years. A new generation, new filming techs, new interest. But greed always finds a way...

@insensitive919

Жыл бұрын

Stop trying to make America Chavez a thing, Gretchen.

@MrNicePotato

Жыл бұрын

Yes... They have multiple universes now so they could have started another universe with smaller scale characters like daredevil. Then maybe at some point make them collide and the old characters can make cameos. But this would make no sense for the box office.

@genevieveroy780

Жыл бұрын

I also think they are too quick to jump into the multiverse. Should’ve started with exploring the entirety of their own universe first lol

I've only watched one Marvel film since Endgame, and that was No Way Home. I just don't follow Marvel like I used to, but I'm always there for Spider-Man.

@criticaldrive7688

Жыл бұрын

Fellow Spider-Man fan!

@ShieldedRender

Жыл бұрын

No way home is the only solid one after Endgame, the only hero I care about now is Spiderman after Tom Holland truly became Spiderman. The rest is just boring.

@poyyo1784

Жыл бұрын

Same here, I’m only sticking around for my boy spidey from here on out. If it doesn’t have a spider-man, I’m not watching it

@JayRedGear

Жыл бұрын

@@poyyo1784 Same. Spidey's always been my favorite and really, he's had a (so far) better run with Far From and No Way Home, especially the ladder with him truly becoming his own hero so he honestly has the most flexible story by himself as he's separated from the other Avengers.

@Ashley.s505

Жыл бұрын

The only things I’ve enjoyed since was no way home, Hawkeye, I guess black widow but only for Jelena and the comedy. MoM was good but disappointing it’s sad because it fr could’ve been more 🤷🏼‍♀️

I really really wish they explored the blip in its entirety. I love the movies and superheroes and whatever, but the blip is still by far the more interesting and complex topic in the universe.

I lost it in Falcon and The Winter Soldier when Falcon (who at this point has been casually beating aliens) and Bucky (who has more combat experience than anyone alive and also fought aliens) struggle versus two bit terrorist like Flag Smashers

How to make an mcu film -introduce plot -show MC feeling sad cus they lost fight with villain -MC discovers the power of friendship and decides to fight villain again -3rd climatic CGI fight that costs 90% of the movie budget -post credit scene Literally all MCU movies are like this

@jeremytesticleman1607

Жыл бұрын

i like how the main villain of the franchise that they spend a decade developing has exactly 0 kills to his name and his army gave spiderman a little paper cut in the end. These marvel villains are really scary and threatning, the joker and bane got nothing against these cgi pinatas.

@ChristopherZ

Жыл бұрын

Lol, I mean... You're not too far off, but it feels like they're experimenting a little more with this phase. Sure, it still has some of those conventions present in the past, perhaps sometimes to a fault, but there's been some really unique entries recently. Shang-Chi, for example. Friend characters are kind of there sometimes, but Katy really feels like an important part of the plot (not all the time, but she helps drive the story at times). Marvel doesn't often use non-linear storytelling. Sure, it's fairly linear but the use of flashbacks gradually revealing the past and showing how a certain character dies, inspiring the main villain, is pretty unique for the MCU. Not to say that other movies haven't done this, but the MCU hasn't experimented with this concept too much (One could argue that Captain Marvel and even the first Iron Man kind of use it, but). Katy also isn't a love interest, most of the time the characters get together in the end, but not here. Sure, also not the first MCU movie to do this, but it happens fairly often when you have a leading male and a leading female character (Jane and Thor, Tony and Pepper, Peggy and Steve, ya know). Also, Wenwu is just so good, really well written villain. Eternals as well, for better or worse, is pretty unique in the fact that this is the first big team-up movie that doesn't rely at all on characters already established in the universe. Also, once again uses some non-linear storytelling (not as effectively as Shang-Chi in my opinion but it works). Also, the first Superman type character in the MCU lol. WandaVision was wildly unique and dipped into horror, something that the MCU hasn't really played with too much. Sure, it eventually loses itself perhaps when it gets back to standard MCU ideas, but it has some pretty great moments imo. Loki as well... I dunno, I guess that one feels standard MCU? But it's reallly consistent. Its finale is completely different than most MCU final acts, not one huge final battle (though we get that in the episode prior), but almost a battle of wits in a sense. Sure, Loki and Sylvie also have a little fight too, but it feels a lot different from what we've seen in the past. Moon Knight even too, also perhaps hurts itself just a little bit with its very MCU finale, but that one is a wild ride the MCU has never really seen. Sure, once again to bring up Captain Marvel, you could say it shares some similarities of characters not knowing their past, but Moon Knight goes a lot further with that. All this to say is I have no life, but I think Phase 4 is going into uncharted territories with the MCU. Sure, it may still have some of the same flaws or things that are starting to get old, but I think it's going places. Multiverse of Madness, quite unique too.

@jayceallen6530

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremytesticleman1607 didn’t thanos literally wipe out entire planets and societies like gamora’s and more even before the snap

@jeremytesticleman1607

Жыл бұрын

@@jayceallen6530 that just makes it worse bruh, you telling me this mf wiped out entire planets and caused the extinction of several races but couldn't even do as much as kill 1 single person because marvel needs to make another 20 sequels with that character.

I agree, Phase 3 ended things perfectly and phase 4 feels like it exists just to make money. While I do think some of the Phase 4 projects are good short term, the long term story for the future of the MCU is extremely concerning. They are attempting to introduce huge ideas such as the multiverse, celestials, TVA, and Egyptian gods all so close to each other. It is getting too big to try and connect together in a coherent way.

@zekeiwa5837

Жыл бұрын

"phase 4 feels like it exists just to make money" lol the delusion every marvel movie after the original iron man exists just to make money. they wouldn't have made a single movie after that if that hadn't been so successful

@Zerorenren4761

Жыл бұрын

@@zekeiwa5837 the correct way to spell this it's "Cashgrab" Untill Phase 3 at least, most movies actually felt like they were building a story for the fans and making money Phase 4 feels like they just throwing things that nerds like(callbacks, cameos, multiverse and etc.) While they don't have idea of what to do and afther killing/retiring the heroes everyone like they will invest the next years on a villain that isn't iconic as Thanos and a bunch of female substitutes and boring teenagers as the heroes The only characters that people actually care now are like Spiderman, the F4, X Men(that they will probably ruin with wokeness) Daredevil, Moon Knight and the inhumans, the others just feel like a worse versions from the comics or since the comics they are blring

@NoonMight

Жыл бұрын

That’s how the comics are

@citizenvulpes4562

Жыл бұрын

@@NoonMight the comic industry has been in a downward spiral for years now. The comic industry is literally failing, so not a good example.

@joshentertainment2

Жыл бұрын

@@Zerorenren4761 and black panther if he was alive

I loved the fact that the movies before endgame took time to flesh characters out, and let people come up with their own conclusions. Recently characters haven't felt like themselves, I know I didn't like how hulk was portrayed in Thor 2. Its really sad because these characters have a lot of history and conflicts that made us invested in their stories, watching all that source material not matter so much has been hard to watch, even on movies I sort of enjoyed. Dr strange wasn't like Dr Strange in the spiderman movie, felt like he was nefted just to be in that movie. The multiverse of madness had holes I mentally had to not bring up so as to enjoy the movie. Glad I sat through your video, my hope is that the people making these decisions really see how bad its gotten and right the course for the next phase.

@LordVader1094

Жыл бұрын

Hulk in Thor 2? He wasn't in Dark World.

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

@@LordVader1094 you must forgive people for forgetting about Dark World. Other than Thor's mom dying and Loki faking his death with all that can after that in the last few minutes, there was literally nothing of that movie that had any consequences

The MCU has a special place in my heart because it was thanks to this cinematic universe where I ended up meeting my first friends around the time of Civil War, I remember I would discuss the movies for hours on end with them. And when Infinity War came out, the whole school was freaking out on its hypeness. Then the lockdown happened and I couldn’t see my friends for 2 years, we only recently met up to watch Multiverse of Madness a few weeks back and I remembered just how uninterested we were about the whole thing. We still gelled well but there was this aura of ehhhh when it came to us discussing content that came out around Phase 4, there were obviously a few gems like Ho way Home and Moon Knight but then there was Eternals,Black Widow, Loki and now Doc Strange 2 being ehh. We ended up looking back on how far this series came and realised the magic seemed to be slowly fading as Phase 4 continued. And it had begun to fade after Infinity War because that to us felt like the ABSOLUTE peak of the MCU. I guess we just kinda grew up and realised that the writers got lazy eventually.

@racool911

Жыл бұрын

Honestly it was quite obvious Endgame was the peak even before it came out. It's impossible for Marvel, or anyone, to get that amount of hype again. Idk we'll have to wait 10 years and find out. Interested on what direction Feige is planning

@alejandrovillalba3143

Жыл бұрын

@@racool911 14 years ago someone would've said the same about a shared universe of superheroes...but it happened. It's not impossible by far. The thing is, when your universe gets as wide and rich as the MCU's became, you need talented, smart and experienced writers in order to keep the whole thing coherent, consistent,and also keeping it from falling apart in terms.of quality. Yet what Marvel did was stop hiring writers and start hiring activists, that have no idea how to write a superhero story. Let me put that right, they have no idea how to write, period. Hence the results. As long as they keep this and that stupid idea of pushing garbage out every other month(to make matters even worse) it won't get better

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

@@racool911 Honestly, Endgame wasn't even that good. It had some great moments, but that final showdown was even more contrived than the girl power scene contained within. Plus when ya think about it, the time heist approach was rather idiotic, literally dumber than the "fat Thor's supposed to be a joke, even though later they take it seriously" thing. Infinity War might as well have been the end of the MCU.

Thats the problem when you expand your brand and have: - No clear route/plan on how to develop your products. - Overused tropes and humour, no new tone or direction. - And lastly, socio-political ideals/messages shoved straight into the new pruducts to the point that the ACTUAL PLOT becomes something secondary. Also they did Walker, Taskmaster, Agatha, Natasha and Loki as characters fucking DIRTY. Nobody can change my mind on that.

@Thomasmemoryscentral

Жыл бұрын

Oh no, it's being infected by the same virus of the no plan sequel trilogy 😭😠🖕😥

The fact that you actually bring up good points instead of just sitting and yelling about how it simply wasn't what you personally wanted is refreshing for these types of videos. I agreed with a lot of it (especially the humor part)

@lulu_TheWitchBoy

2 жыл бұрын

Yeha glad he isn’t “woke go broke” people. They literally hate the movie Bc of diversity

@Mark-xw5yt

2 жыл бұрын

@@lulu_TheWitchBoy ong I hate that stuff. They complain about wokeness and diversity being a fake issue but then start complaining once a non-white character is on screen for .0005 seconds

@why-oh-wai

2 жыл бұрын

Every video like this always has somebody saying “good points” so chances are they probably aren’t lmao

@grey195

2 жыл бұрын

@@why-oh-wai your name, your comment, you’re doing everything to get attention lmao

@why-oh-wai

2 жыл бұрын

@@grey195 nope, not even close

IMO, I think Marvel and DC take turns to peak and slump. Around the time we had the Dark Knight movies, the MCU was pretty much down. Marvel's revival began with Iron Man, and then it was DC's turn to sort of take a back seat. Now that the MCU has lost its flavor, I think its now time for DC movies to pick back up

@Johnsonzoglo

Жыл бұрын

Facts

@Johnsonzoglo

Жыл бұрын

But one thing about dc is their story hit harder than marvel when they have time to release a movie , like the dark night

@dhruvgeorge

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm just worried that Marvel is focusing on quantity over quality. As in, they are so desperate to pump out as many movies as possible, that they compromise on the quality of the stories or the characters

23:57 I agree with this. The Variants are all normal Humans while Loki is basically a Frost Giant/Aesir Hybrid with all the strength that entails. Loki should have been able to Brute Force his way out.

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

not even counting his skills. hell, a fucking child loki was able to do it, so why not a combat-experienced adult?!

You know what really annoys me about the fight between John Walker v Bucky and Sam. What's the first thing John says to them once he see's them after finally catching his breath, and his best friend dying. "You guys need a medic?" This isn't him just trying to push them away in the moment. He is genuinely asking them if they're ok. He's more concerned about these two guys who have been mostly assholes to him despite his best efforts to befriend them than himself. Neither of which are there to make sure he's ok but to take the shield from him and then instigate the fight. The writers of FATWS do not understand how to make a character unlikeable. Because John Walker is not a bad person. His biggest mistake was taking on a mantle that some people thought he wasn't worthy of. The guy has what three medals of honour? That's more than ANYONE in the real world! Fuck with that alone he's more than worthy of being Captain America. Then when asked if he's ever gone on top of grenade, he says he's done it more than once since he figured out a trick with helmet. What does the show do with this information? Ignore it. After getting his ass kicked by a super solider and non-supers. He gets the serum and doesn't take it until speaking with Lamar. He throws away the Shield to save lives when he has the chance to get revenge. Fuck everything Disney tries to spin in the show John Walker is a better hero than Bucky and Sam in this show.

@keithremedy

Жыл бұрын

It’s funny cause you know the writer intended for him to be the antagonist aka the male with toxic masculinity and he ironically ended up being one of the better parts of the show & the one with the most screen presence. That scene with him yelling in court was the best scene in the show

@PhillipOnTakos

Жыл бұрын

@@keithremedy Yup somehow these writers failed so hard they made the character by the way they write/frame the story were supposed to dislike, is better than our two leads heros morally.

@arturocastroverde3349

Жыл бұрын

John Walker is hated for 0 reasons. Bucky and Sam are jerks to him

@ParanoiaXYZ

Жыл бұрын

He wasnt supposed to be the most relatable character? Bucky and Sam were supposed to be cool? Wot?

@MetalGearBronya

Жыл бұрын

"YoU hAvE To dO BeTtER SeNaToR" says the walking dumpster fire that was being nothing but unworthy of the Shield throughout the entire series. Gives away the shield to the government then is surprised when they gave it to someone else then proceeds to be a complete dickwad to the person that was awarded the Shield HE GAVE AWAY. Focking S tier award winning writing there.

The MCU had a beginning, rising action, a climax, a conclusion. It's over. They made a lot of mistakes along the way. They had a mountain of success along the way. Things need to end. You can't just keep crapping out sequels and tv spinoffs forever. Eventually there are so many movies and so much past material that you can't make sequels without making mistakes and the longer a series runs, the more those mistakes add up. I say stop watching at Endgame.

@Zerorenren4761

Жыл бұрын

They really think that people won't get enough of having to watch 60+ movies and 83838 bad Disney + only series to understand a movie about a bunch of guys wearing stupid clothes with superpowers against extremely blank villains Honestly, they should had ended with Endgame and then do just the multiverse saga with Wandavision, No Way Home, Loki and MoM Then they would just have a hiatus and years later they would continue the Mcu universe with the X men, Fantastic Four and a older Spiderman fighting against the underworld And these would have their own pocket connected universe The X Men and Fantastic Four ocasionally would meet each other and some of the retired avengers members Spiderman would get some interactions with Daredevil and the Defenders Eventually leading to a movie where Spidey's actions lead to the Defenders finding Kingpin and kicking his ass And a big "finale" movie where all the heroes that were still acting joining forces to defeat Galactus

@realmusic3914

Жыл бұрын

Your one of the very few that think that. Just to let u know. Go watch punk ass DC if u don't like phase 4

@goofymuffin5264

Жыл бұрын

I fcking agree.

@realmusic3914

Жыл бұрын

Your highly wrong with what your saying. There's still MANY MORE great movies ahead of us. Marvel now owns the Xmen again. And so many more characters. There are way better villains out there than just Thanos. Multiverse of madness alone was better than Endgame, so stfu.

@jeremytesticleman1607

Жыл бұрын

​​@@Zerorenren4761 here is the thing though, technically people aren't. Marvel movies are at the top of the chart in terms of revenue. It's june and marvel already released like 10 movies and shows and they're making a lot of money from it, so they'll just keep going and going. People eat this stuff up even though its the same formulaic movie.

The massacre of Loki's character and powers will ALWAYS hurt me

I'm still hoping that Loki planned his TVA stuff and that his plan gets "revealed" in the next season. Would be a bit cheap, but hey

I Absolutely HATED what Wanda+Vision did with Monica rambeau defending Wanda's actions/crimes like a complete idiot who forgot that wanda had taken hostage an entire town of innocent people who she mind-controlled and FORCED to take part in her fantasy/nightmare of 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s and 2000s era sitcoms

@diannajennings266

2 жыл бұрын

According to the director on his variety interview he said Monica did not defend Wanda's action at all. What she meant in the end was that those people will never know the good she has done before,they will only remember the bad. And Wanda said she won't blame them. Wanda has aakwyss been an anti hero,not a superhero with goody two shoes.Her biggest weakness is her power because she is too powerful and she can't control it. She can easily harm people subconsciously as well ...

@naquingreen1603

2 жыл бұрын

@@diannajennings266 Monica rambeau is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome so of course she would make excuse like that, Monica has been ruined by Wanda+Vision because of the "Stockholm Syndrome" FORCED on her character by the director and writer, no one is interested or invested in her character moving forward into The Marvels movie

@naquingreen1603

2 жыл бұрын

@@diannajennings266 Monica will probably go through another Held in captivity/Stockholm Syndrome storyline in The Marvels movie, also i suspect that the subplot from Wanda+Vision about Monica rambeau's resentment toward Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers for leaving both her and her mother behind and NOT even bothering to come back to check up on them to see if they were even alright, Monica rambeau was shown to blame Carol Danvers abandoning her and her mother who

@orellanadc735

2 жыл бұрын

dude, it's girl power

@jacindaellison3363

2 жыл бұрын

@@diannajennings266 but the way she worded it comes off as off putting and oblivious to what Wanda had done, pretty much excusing her actions. Monica also doesn't make things better when she even said she'd do it if it were to bring her mother back.

"Stockholm syndrome Rambeau" Is very very correct because that is exactly what happened with her character in Wanda+Vision by turning her into a Stockholm Syndrome victim who tries to justify the actions/crimes of her Captor (Wanda)

@Tyler_W

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently, the showrunner said that this is a misinterpretation of what Monica was trying to say, that she was trying to say that these people will only remember the bad she did and not the good things and the sacrifices she made that brought her to this breaking point in the first place. That's a perfectly understandable take, but the writing was still weak in that scene because this was not clearly communicated at all.

@kevintyson1947

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tyler_W yeah this is exactly what I got from the show as well. Also, Monica clearly shows empathy for Wanda even before she's held capture and knows this woman has good in her so I dont get why people say she has Stockhome syndrome.

@om58499

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevintyson1947 have monica meet wanda before this if not then the only monica know is she lost vision which sad but monica lost her mother she should be mad that she cause this because of grief which she herself move foward from

@shakeemdiggz2354

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevintyson1947 using a word out of context again like white or using woke

@goon5031

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tyler_W So, it's like MARTHA from BvS.

I think Disney is doing the same thing with MCU/Star Wars TV shows that they used to do with direct-to-video animated sequels and is using them to train new writers, directors, animators, etc. it'd explain the quality issues compared to the theatrically released films. I'm glad Multiverse of Madness at least made Wanda a clear cut villain and treated accordingly by the characters for what she did in Wandavision

i think they imply that the mindstone was possessing loki in avengers when you see him tearing up near thor , and even when the avengers are arguing on the hangar and being a little too aggressive. but it still doesn’t explain it since he was still just as “anti villain” in thor 1 and 2

@darthchilde8880

Жыл бұрын

but he didnt do mass killing the way he did in avengers. i still think loki show is better than most of mcu movies and shows.ppl should jst wait till the saga ends t decide that it was good or not.

That’s my main gripe with the MCU. They never bring up previous events that they should really talk about. No one really mentioned why there were several helicarriers and why they crashed, no one checked on Ironman when he was reported dead, no character mentioned that in the next movie. I also bet that one one will mention the Arishm(don’t know how to spell it) or hell the frozen celestial oh the ocean? They can’t just not mention them, in their world that has to be a total problem that some mysterious giant being popped up from your planet or just showing up. Then squeezing movies before other movies, like captain marvel and the eternals. If you go by what Carol says about other worlds not having heroes make it seem like she’s bad at her job since Thanos and Ronin were alive.

@fitzabooper7054

Жыл бұрын

true but i believeits apart of the aspect of disney wanting money, they dont want the casual viewers to feel lost because they connect to alot of past events

@heythere9707

Жыл бұрын

Captain marvel can only protect one planet at a time, Thanos systematically at the time was going one by one conquering planets to eliminate half their population. And Ronan was only really a threat after Thanos loaned him the power stone which the guardians dealt with fine.

@shyguy5473

Жыл бұрын

They also didn't mention the Frost Giants after showing them in the 1st Thor movie

@Beastinvader

Жыл бұрын

Yeah remember Avengers 1 tying into Tony's PTSD in Iron Man 3 or the fal of SHIELD in Captain America 2 tying in with Age of Ultron. Obviously also Age of Ultron and Civil War. For better or worse, Endgame affecting Far From Home. This is what we loved. It wasn't the cameos. It was having unique stories in the same UNIVERSE. Tony battling his enemies by himself within this larger world. Eternals just ignores this world while DS2 forces it on the movie with all the cameos.

As someone with Anger issues...I am used to relating to assholes and aggressive characters rather than the so called "Heroes". Characters like John Walker made me sad. The dude was a veteran who legit just wanted to help people and motivate others only to be hated and heavily outmatched with no support as a scapegoat. Agatha went the whole show being a good character that never even did a thing besides duping Quicksilver to get closer to Wanda. However she gets fucked over and Wanda gets praise for villain behavior. I can't stand seeing this kind of writing.

@KJDaMiSSiLe

Жыл бұрын

I feel like MCU heros are slowely turing into the sups from Boys

@arthurpietrogarcia1057

Жыл бұрын

Well... she did kill a dog.

@UItraVice

Жыл бұрын

@@arthurpietrogarcia1057 We don't know that lol. Could have been ~an illusion ALL ALONG!~ 😂

@dalasagna3115

Жыл бұрын

Worst part is that Agatha is getting a TV series, and Jonh Walker as US Agent Doesn´t

@Zerorenren4761

Жыл бұрын

It kind of shows Disney's morality tbh A militar man with human issues and that has morals, basically: a flawed human that people can relate too= evil and toxic masculinty A guy who whines during the entire show about being a black Captain America and then gets plaudits for defending terrorists(the main terrorist enemy being a girl)= good, that's the hero children will have to look for Not to mention how Agatha basically tried to defeat Wanda, which would basically free an entire town that she enslaved, even If she wanted to do so for selfish reasons, Agatha was pretty much (unitentionally) an anti hero while Wanda was the villain

I can see Steve Rogers ignoring Sharon Carter for the five year blip, because that was the beginning of selfish Steve. Steve was selected as the candidate for the super soldier program because he was the most selfless person in the army. A diminutive man willing to leap onto a grenade to save everyone. After Endgame, with all of it’s other problems, decides to have Captain America become Twinkle-Toes Rogers, more interested in using his super endurance to win dance marathons, than save NY. All the while his best friend, Bucky, is being mind controlled by HYDRA, who was also infiltrating SHIELD, but Steve had another Dance Marathon to easily win. Getting that dance with Peggy was more important to Steve than Loki’s attack on NY, Ultron’s attempt to destroy the whole world and every other battle the other Avengers had to take care of themself, while Twinkle Toes Rogers stands by and watches. Steve once accused Tony Stark of not being the guy to lay on the wire, make the big sacrifice? When NY was under attack by the Chitauri army and even worse, a nuclear bomb being unleashed by the america government, it was Tony who reroutes the missile through the portal, a move that would likely cost him his life. Ironman just barely made it back through the portal before it closed. Tony was the only one, besides Thor, who stayed with the the city of Sakovia until it was destroyed, once again, not knowing if he’d escape the explosion. When his house was destroyed by a missile, it was Tony who sent the Ironman armor to Pepper, leaving himself with no protection from the shrapnel flying around. Tony finally made the big sacrifice when taking the stones from Thanos, stones that no human can survive holding. Time after time Tony Stark was the one to put his life in danger to save the masses. Steve was completely wrong about Tony and he would eventually become the selfish one not willing to make the sacrifice. Tony gets a hero’s death, because it is sacrifice that makes a hero. Instead of giving Steve an end to Captain America that had him doing a selfless act, they instead had him taking the most selfish act I can imagine. That was how the writers decided to get rid of the character? They thought we would all be so happy that Steve finally got his dance with Peggy and a life as a regular man, even though he still had all of his super powers? The same Steve that leaped on a grenade he believed was live, is the same guy in that muscle bound body. Steve had the desire to be a hero, but wasn’t endowed with a body to back up his heroic nature. That was the only reason he was selected for an experiment that would give him the muscles that would make him capable of being the hero he was inside. That’s why it was so disappointing to do a 180° turn and make him a non-hero. A man who had the power to save those in dire situations, but makes the choice to not get involved, but use those powers to mow the lawn and fix the picket fence? The Steve from the beginning was the hero that would put his life on the line, making the big sacrifice, like when he crashed the plane to save everyone, even though we had seen him later leap from a plane without a parachute and plunge into the ocean without a scratch. Even if it was unnecessary for him to go down with the plane, he was still willing to do it, but somehow I’m supposed to believe he would go back and have a life with Peggy, ignoring all of the problems going on in the world? A hero is a hero because they make such sacrifices. You’re not a hero if you have the ability to make a difference, but decide not to help because it might threaten your way of life. That’s what I’m supposed to believe Steve did? The writers thought that was a good way to off Rogers. Audiences would cheer that Steve finally got to dance with Peggy and turn into Joe Biden in the end. I have been happy to hear other reviews on KZread make the same observations, even being questioned in the “Pitch Meetings” gag (which is funny as hell) Then I knew that I wasn’t the only one disappointed at Steve’s end. I’m sure more people think that was a great end for Steve, but I just can’t think that Steve becoming Ward Cleaver, rather than Captain America is a good end for the character.

@apogeelord7013

Жыл бұрын

If I'm not wrong Sharon got blipped for 5 years. Steve dancing with Peggy happend in an alternate universe, so it didn't bothered me that much.

@Kappiccino

Жыл бұрын

If you think even more deeply about Steve Rogers' decision to not return and coming back as an old man at the end of Endgame: 1) He basically changed Peggy's whole life by staying in the past. The woman had her own family that she created after Steve's dip in the frozen sea but Bye Bye to all these family members. Who cares about these people who are never going to exist when you get to have your dance with a woman you actually have not known for that long compared to your best friend Bucky. 2) Which bring me to the second point: what about Bucky?! You are going to tell me that Steve Rogers, who thought his best friend was dead until the Winter Soldier movie. The Steve Rogers who was ready to die in order to save his best friend who has been abducted and brainwashed by Hydra for years. The Steve Rogers who also chased after his best friend after the guy decided to run away. This Steve Rogers, who finally got his friend back, is going to drop the guy without a warning for a woman he barely knew compared to his childhood bestie (a badass woman, yeah, but a woman that already made peace with Steve Rogers' death in the past and has had her own life). I understand that Chris Evans' contract may have reached his end but the writers could not think of another way to let Steve Rogers leave the Marvel Universe with some dignity and coherency? They really turned the characters around with that ending: Tony Stark got the hero's ending and Steve Rogers got the coward's ending. One ending makes sense, the other does not. Edit: Also, taking the Loki show logic into account: it means that Steve Rogers messed with the timeline so he became a variant. Where is the TVA at the end of Endgame? The man should have been arrested.

@apogeelord7013

Жыл бұрын

@@Kappiccino That entire thing with Peggy took place in alternate universe, so it doesn’t affect our Steve's life and as far as TVA is concerned, they don't interfere in things that was supposed to happen, Steve travelling to alternate universe was supposed to happen so they didn't bother to arrest him

@Kappiccino

Жыл бұрын

@@apogeelord7013 Are you kidding? Steve was never supposed to change any timeline in the end of Endgame. He was supposed to bring back the stone and come back. That was the whole point of trying to prevent any issue after borrowing the stones. He knew what Peggy's life was without him in it. Girl had moved on. I am going to call Endgame Steve Rogers what he is: selfish. He was selfish because alternate reality or not, he already knew what Peggy's life was going to be but he apparently did not care. He was selfish because he abandoned his best friend behind after fighting for so long to get him back. He was also selfish because he messed with reality just so that he can 'dance' with a woman that he barely knew time-wise. She is no childhood sweetheart. They met during the war, connected through tough times and missed the chance to date but that's it. Like there is no other woman as badass as Peggy in the future? And as the og comment explained: Endgame Steve Rogers look and act nothing like Captain America First Avenger Steve Rogers.

@apogeelord7013

Жыл бұрын

@@Kappiccino I don't think you got my point, Yes, he might be selfish, but that's a different debate. You said he changed Peggy's whole life, no he didn't, according to the time travel rules established in endgame he didn't change a shit. It all happened in an alternate reality. And we don't know what happened to the Bucky in that reality

Their excuse as to why they couldn't have characters like Dr. Strange in Wanda Vision is a great example of how ideology can ruin good story telling.

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

imagine if strange did show up, but underestimated the situation and failed, in a believable way. that could easily have worked, but nope. couldn't have that. just everyone ignoring that. at least when things got ignored in phases 1-3, you could assume maybe people were busy and couldn't show up on short notice, but wanda's stuff had more than enough time, especially now that strange is a force and serious magic is involved

Something that always bothered me about the Blip was that they never went into how many people would have died during the Return. Think about it: pedestrians reappearing in the missile of the street, airline travelers reappearing in the open sky with no plane, people on cruise ships reappearing in the middle of the ocean with no ship, people reappearing in the middle of life-saving surgeries, people reappearing int he middle of active construction sites, or new wars, etc. etc.

@billsmafiamania3767

Жыл бұрын

Marvel confirmed hulk already thought of that and made them re blip in a safe place but yes I agree with you they should have addressed that in the movie

@bloxidy8752

Жыл бұрын

they confirmed that hulk put them into a safe place

@BigTorr704

Жыл бұрын

@@billsmafiamania3767 Just like JK Rowling comfirmed that Hermione is black?

@calis7359

Жыл бұрын

What has ever led you too believe they come back at the same spot?

@BigTorr704

Жыл бұрын

@@calis7359 Maybe Spider-Man ffh where they show people spawning into the same spot they snapped in?

I completely disagree with your assessment of Winter Soldier's SHIELD problem. The reason they didn't take the Avengers out early is because they were an asset. Hydra didn't want an alien invasion to destroy the world, so recognized the value of keeping them around and in Stark's case began taking his technology (why kill the guy inventing all the cool stuff and just handing it to you?) Also why would they have taken the Tesseract from SHIELD when they, effectively, WERE SHIELD? They had every reason to let them keep it, it was a nice way to keep it protected and they knew right where it was if it was needed again.

@MachineMan-mj4gj

2 жыл бұрын

I think what he was getting at was why were the Avengers discovering HYDRA a problem, when HYDRA was in the perfect position to eliminate them and secure all their objectives?I could see how the revelation of a secret Nazi death cult, hiding inside the world police would fall flat when all their villainy fails to kill anyone important to the story.

@Lolgutgud

Жыл бұрын

Completely right my guy

@1607Adi_Manz

Жыл бұрын

mcu simp

@pkbeat-redpile4108

Жыл бұрын

@@moxiemaxie3543 wandavision is trash, it tries to justify scarlett witch even thought she enslaved a whole town

@beforeflight5566

Жыл бұрын

@@moxiemaxie3543 Loki wasn't a regular, powerless human. He's an Ice Giant. Completely different race, and safe to assume completely different physical prowess In the Wanda show, while they do say she's the bad guy (And this video was written and released before Strange), the show does nothing to actually have her see she's the bad guy, has characters defend her actions, and overall framed her to be a sympathetic hero. As far as virtue signaling goes, it's a bit subjective as to what is or isn't. I personally believe that Marvel does a lot of both, with movies like Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Black Widow being examples of virtue signalling, but Falcon and the Winter Soldier being an example of good inclusion.

Avengers phase 1 is like throwing a party at your home with your best friends you've known for years. Phase 4 is like going to an expensive club with strangers who hate you

To be fair, the humor in WandaVision made some sense, because the entire show was also a homage to the comedy-based sitcoms of past real-world eras. I do see your point, though.

@UNKNOWN-qr7uo

Жыл бұрын

Everybody hates Chris is a comedy based sitcoms of past real world eras and it’s actually funny because it’s written by people who actually are funny and grew up in those time which the show uses to it’s advantage unlike Wandavison where the MCU shitty/unfunny jokes and forced comedic humor are used in comedy sitcoms scenes written by people who are honestly not funny enough for the jokes to land even if the show was just a comedy show and not a Science Fiction/Fantasy show The MC is a hypocritical evil villain who enslaved an entire town of innocent people just to have her fake family and doesn’t get punished for it.Her making bad jokes on top that isn’t relatable

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

Why is someone who grew up in Eastern Europe nostalgic for old American sitcoms?

@Wolffman109

Жыл бұрын

@@InfernosReaper I didn't grow up in Eastern Europe.

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

@@Wolffman109 I wast talking about Wanda shaping that town into the image of something she should have little knowledge or appreciation of, old American sitcoms

I see two factors to blame for the MCU's flanderization: Disney's corporatism and Joss Whedon. After Disney purchased Marvel Comics, and especially after The Avengers (2012), DIsney saw the MCU as less of a series of films that could tell interesting stories and more of a product to sell. So the company began to release three to four films a year, and with that release schedule, the various people involved with making these films started using a formulaic structure to keep up. Speaking of The Avengers, that film was the start of the MCU's overreliance on quippy Whedon-esque dialogue. Eventually every character began to be written as if they had fallen out of a scrapped Whedon project. With exception of the villains, the hero characters all speak the same and there's not much for them to stand out in that regard.

@Tyler_W

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think this became too much of a major problem until relatively recently, but you're absolutely right about Joss Whedon. The Avengers was lightning in a bottle thag in hindsight I think only works the way it does because of the near perfect chemistry of the cast, but it is incredibly telling imo that the most memorable MCU movies post-Avengers that actually stand a good chance of standing the test of time as individual films are the ones that least attempted to ape Joss Whedon's brand of cheap humor, especually the Captain America movies and the last two Avengers movies from the Russos. Not that they don't do this a bit (or that they're perfect and not flawed in other ways), but these movies are great in no small part because they didn't use what humor they did have at the expense of genuine emotional moments and dramatic beats that needed to land to get the audience emotionally invested. They knew when to be serious so that we would take these characters and their stories seriously as we should if stories about such outlandish characters are gonna work (and have worked). The Guardians movies are an exception to the rule because James Gunn is actually funny, he knows how to earn a laugh, and he doesn't undermine his films' most important dramatic noments. Many of the weakest and most forgettable MCU films were often the ones that tried ape Joss Whedon's writing style instead of having their own voice (the actual thing that leads to big money). I still mostly love The Avengers and make no apologies for it, but the siccess of Joss Whedon is one of the single biggest detriments to the longterm sustainability of the MCU imo. The second biggest detriment is that Kevin Fiege seems to be increasingly pandering to the woke crowd as if Twitter is an accurate reflection of real life.

@dylansharp8471

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tyler_W What?

@cazador918

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the quips are more of a Spider-Man thing. They just gave that to everyone to try to make people care for them as much as Spider-Man who has always been the most popular

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tyler_W It's not like he made Buffy and Firefly...

@drtinyoureye9187

2 жыл бұрын

Big facts

You can tell from this Phase that after Endgame they did not a have Plan for the MCU going forward. It's been nothing but one disappointment after another, No Way Home Withstanding.

@ravinglibertopian3226

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. It really shows. They are literally all over the place at this point ; and there's really no structured plot building or interconnectedness behind any of the stories. What exactly is phase 4 supposed to be building up to?? I don't really see any. These might be signs of the MCU's decline.

@realxjosh8298

2 жыл бұрын

@@ravinglibertopian3226 Kang

@yumyumeatemup

2 жыл бұрын

Actually the Russo brothers just came out stating in an article that Fiege apparently has never had a real plan to any of the MCU since taking over it fully back in 2016. But I think enough of the previous MCU set up when the films were being made under paramount helped assist him all the way up to Endgame where it felt like the past 10 years of Marvel's cinematic universe really had some closure to it. Then of course like with all things, continued greed to milk as much money out of the phenomena that was the MCU ultimately led to a severe dip in its quality and the complete lack of a plan for the universe going forward shows now, more than ever. SMH

@iamfriendly6483

2 жыл бұрын

They have a plan, I just don't think they have a plan on sorting the ground heroes but they are focused on how they gonna do the multiverse

@910Jaro

2 жыл бұрын

@@ravinglibertopian3226 Kang, Galactus, Secret Wars

In Star Wars the order 66 part of the story is shown and brought up a lot more than they do with the blip like they should show more of the blip and how it effected people.

The Sokovia Accords were literally the WORST thing to happen in the MCU. The Fact that it even succeeded makes it even dumber. The Fact that they weren't repealed after Infinity War as they were the reason the Snap happened at all also baffles me. The Fact that Tony never obtained Ross's Dirty Laundry after he befriended Bruce after the First Avengers Movie via Jarvis as what Ross did while pursuing Bruce was highly illegal as Ross was basically invading other Countries using the US Military also baffles me.

I really like Loki. Then I sat down and thought about why I liked the series so much. It turns out, Tom Hiddleston is just a win

@johnnysalery7383

2 жыл бұрын

I'd argue the best part of Loki is Tom Hiddleston himself. You can tell he loves the character a lot, but at the same time they drastically changed what made Loki who he was to begin with. Not to mention Sylvie basically took his place (Kinda ironic). She deceives him in order to get what SHE wants. You'd think Loki of all people would be able to see through something like that smh

@lulu_TheWitchBoy

2 жыл бұрын

Yeha... people say is the best show... it really isn’t.

@dgm66

2 жыл бұрын

@@lulu_TheWitchBoy I'm baffled why people always include that show as one of their favorites. The show had so many plot holes you could drive a semi through with room to spare.

I find Wandavision being the most egregious. These mofos in the writing room really sat there and said "We'll have Wanda warp reality and not have her entire phone book's worth of super powered friends not even check up on her." Dude, a literal Avenger was in distress where is everyone? You want me to believe that Nick Fury will send Krees from fucking outer space just to hand deliver a pair of glasses to Peter Parker but Wanda isn't afforded that kind of help when she clearly needs an intervention.

when MCU characters make jokes it feels like they stop being the character for a few seconds, make the joke, and then step back into character. its like the writers aren't trying to write jokes that fit each individual character's approach to humor, they're just writing jokes, and then giving them to any old character- which ends up being a combination of their own humor and whatever sort of humor is popular at the time. and that seems to be making quips about serious or deadly situations in a way that has nothing to do with coping, and just makes a character seem like an unaware, self-centered asshole who has the power to take that and call it heroism. with a franchise like the mcu that makes a lot of jokes now (like seriously, it takes up more and more dialogue as the writers will place a joke in any situation whether it's natural or not), it sort of meshes their personalities together. I've actually started imagining them stopping the scene, getting out of costume, grabbing a script, reading the joke, getting back in costume, and then unpausing the scene when this happens. (edit) also this makes me worry about the upcoming fantastic 4 movie. calling it right now, Ben Grimm/The Thing will be nothing but the comedic relief. he will be treated exactly like Thor was in Engame.

18:53 So, wait. He can't get a loan for his sister's boat, but he can snare a presidential pardon for a person he hasn't seen in seven years?

I have to say, it's refreshing to see someone take an objective look at Marvel's Phase 4 and outline the serious issues Marvel needs to address. Solid video, agree with a lot of your points

The problem with the mcu is the more complicated the entire storyline gets, the more they have to be accounted for. The content has to be consistent in order for the plot or the characters to make sense. As a massive mcu fan, i cant believe how much i agree with this video

One of the best critiques of the MCU I've heard. Your understanding of the characters seems to be better than Marvel Studios themselves.

The infinity stone thing is actually something from the comics. Infinity stones can't work outside their own universe, and the TVA is presumably outside of it and possibly any whatsoever. The super strength nullification is BS however.

@FULANODETAL

2 жыл бұрын

but as showed in ENDGAME,,,stones from other dimesion can work in others...

@skydemon3423

2 жыл бұрын

@@FULANODETAL that was a different timeline wasn't it

@FULANODETAL

2 жыл бұрын

@@skydemon3423 Well Hulk snaped with Stones from other universes

@MegaDudeman21

2 жыл бұрын

@@FULANODETAL No he didn't

@ias787

2 жыл бұрын

@Lucky Domino no he didn’t it was another timeline not universe

You’ve made a lot of great points here. I’d like to hear your opinion on moon knight, Spider-Man, and Dr strange. I think you’re right on a lot of points, and the main one for me is the awful jokes. Cheesy jokes? Idk I love cheesy jokes so the I’m at either bad or simply not for me. You’ve shown me how there is definitely a difference in the writing compared to Civil War, Iron Man, Ragnorok, BP, something feels different.

@epicmusic9029

2 жыл бұрын

Dr strange 2 is a mixed bag bcz of the writing being dumb, Spider-Man no way home great even with the dr strange memory spell writing being dumb. Also dr strange and scarlet witch mainly suck cuz they have vague power sets unlike iron man, captain America.

@GameExplorer0115

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrcrabs9296 Here I'll do it for you, and here's your spoiler warning for all the peeps who haven't seen the movie. from what I counted, I figure 4 major problems with the film that make me enjoy it less than the first doctor strange. 1: It basically murdered the power scaling. Wanda being neigh unstopable just kinda doesn't fit the genre of film Super Hero movies are, which I can respect Sam Raimi for trying to pull off here, however in respect to the narratives that came before, Wanda should have been able to nuke Thanos' army from orbit, with little to no excuse. Her one man assasult on Kamar-Taj just kinda made everyone else's magic feel useless. 2: Because of said power disparity from Strange to her, which if you went by the Comics, Doctor Strange is actually leagues above Scarlet Witch in terms of Magical abilities, which leads into how the magic system on display throughout Doctor Strange 1 and 2 is a lazy version of soft magic with no clear rules or expectations, the characters are kinda able to do things cause the plot demanded it. Hence Strange basically explaining how the entire plot was contrieved due to America's ability just randomly tossing them places all willy nilly with seemingly no rhyme or reason other than plot. 3: Literally the entire section surrounding the Illuminati, The Wanda Scarlet Witch takes over should have resisted more. because of the fact that she is also using the same magic she has. This problem extends over to the characters in the Illuminati. The fact they just got picked off made their dramatic introduction a complete and total joke. For example, Reed Richards is THE smartest character in Marvel, why the fuck did he not have some kind of plan or expectation things would go south? He could have completely dispelled the situation with The Ultimate Nullifier. Wiping Wanda from existence with no trouble. Instead, Black Bolt, (Who has telepathy by the way,) gets his mouth removed and dies like an idiot, Reed gets turned into literal spaghetti, also another fun fact that annoyed the hell out of me, is the fact that Reed's son Franklin is about 1000x more powerful than the Scarlet Witch could over dream of being. (which is also why stories involving him are kinda bland and always end up in a draw or Franklin just fixing everything.} 4: The over reliance of MacGuffins. This entire film is built on MacGuffins, basically America is a walking, talking MacGuffin. Her power is lame as hell and is literally the plot device for the narrative to move, and why exactly his her power tied to her life force? Is this explained? No. Does her dying matter to Steven, it shouldn't. The Opening sequence made no sense and felt rushed for a flanderized version of Strange to be an asshole so that the plot can continue. America is basically a paperweight to the story and could have just as easily been replaced by a sentient Robot with a universal teleportation system built and the plot would have been exactly the same. Weird spell books that basically shoehorn what ever is needed into the plot. All that being said, I actually did enjoy the movie, however it does actually have some serious problems with it's story writing that just make no damn sense. But to the point of the video, its fun to watch, but from a story perspective, It needs work.

@jmachero5852

2 жыл бұрын

GameExplorer011 Wanda was already empowered by the Darkhold, even if you say that doesn’t give her power (implying the power is already there), it enhances her powers due to the spells in the book. She has been using it since Wandavision and has had plenty of time to become more skilled and powerful. Wanda was also probably more focused on getting revenge on Thanos during endgame, but eh, I chalk it up to them wanting to use Captain Marvel instead. 2. Franklin and the Ultimate Nullifier aren’t even present in the movie, not even present in the Marvel movies as a whole actually. They come way later, and Franklin is still a child nonetheless - meaning that he might’ve been oblivious to the fight going on at Illuminati’s base. Don’t use things that haven’t entered the MCU yet to say it made no sense. 3. As for the Illuminati part, I liked it despite the hiccups that were there. Yes, Mr. Fantastic’s move didn’t make much sense but I guess he was more focused on de-escalating the situation - don’t know why he didn’t use much technology to fight Wanda unless he underestimated her. Still, he can’t plan for literally *every* situation. Anyways, I don’t think many of them stood much of a chance nonetheless. Wanda was stated to literally be capable of warping reality, and none of them had a counter to that, and Black Bolt has limited telepathy anyways.

@epicmusic9029

Жыл бұрын

@@GameExplorer0115 maybe more runtime and exploring the different stranges and the illuminati would have improved the movie to the level of the first Dr strange

@epicmusic9029

Жыл бұрын

@@mrcrabs9296 the cameos mainly, then the mid credit third eye stuff, and the worst offender being scarlet witch chase sequence she could have easily killed Dr strange and/or taken America Chavez at any part of the chase sequence instead of walking really slowly. The only parts i genuinely was thrilled about were the alternate stranges which unfortunately were barely explored. The campy horror Raimi directing was the only thing saving the movie's plot's underused potential.

Who else want a Part 2 talking about She-Hulk, Doctor Strange, Ms. Marvel and Moon Knight?

Not the new Thor being that wake-up call

I’m glad you talked about the hate towards John Walker. The amount of unfair hate he got started pissing me off a little, tbh, back when the show was airing. I mean, people are allowed to hate whichever character they want, but it’s really sad to see people take the sides of the bullies if they are the protagonist, makes me wonder how people react when they’re friends are the bullies who twist the story around to make their victims look like the bad guy

@Resi1ience

2 жыл бұрын

I swear to god, people will sympathize with *anyone* as long as they're the protagonist of the story. Remember when Joker came out and we forgot he was a mass murdering psychopath?

@randomt800kiddo2

2 жыл бұрын

@@Resi1ience walter white, light yagami, and many more

@truthoftheuniverse4179

2 жыл бұрын

ENDGAME SUCK HULK NEED TO FIGHT THANOS TITANS VS MATCH

@DemonicRemption

2 жыл бұрын

@Eli Ben Well John Walker is essentially an "anti-hero Captain America." But I get your point as what led to him becoming "USAgent" could've been better.

@eliben4066

2 жыл бұрын

@@DemonicRemption I do actually really like the anti hero part of Walker, and I can’t wait to see more of him, but yeah, I really wanted to see him get an apology in the show, because it wasn’t him who started the fire, it was our heroes

I fell off the MCU a long time ago. it's sad that the 2018 Spider-Man game and 2021 guardians of the Galaxy game gave me much much better storytelling and way more moments of actual emotional nuance than almost everything the MCU has churned out

@miguelquintero1374

Жыл бұрын

Video games you got 10+ hours to tell a story compared to a movie with 2 hours.

@antviper135

Жыл бұрын

@@miguelquintero1374 Thats obvious for a single film, but for the shows each episode is about 40-50 minutes. Wandavision is 9 episodes, Falcon and WS is 6 episodes, and Loki is 6 episodes. So more than enough time to make a decent story.

@darthchilde8880

Жыл бұрын

@@antviper135 loki was great i think.

@antviper135

Жыл бұрын

@@darthchilde8880 Loki is the better of the shows If they didn't make Loki a bitch by getting bested by humans numerous times, and making that girl the star of the show. Loki used to be threatening, but he is just the laughing stock. Similar to how they ruined Thor.

@darthchilde8880

Жыл бұрын

@@antviper135 but no humans defeated loki, they r tva agents. And use time manipulation, i mean avengers defeated thanos using time manipulation so i dont think its fairto say loki lost to humans cuz in that case thanos lost to a human too likewise.

"That's Loki, not whatever the fuck that thing is" Ya you're right, the other guy is just another Jake Skywalker variant this time played by Tom Hiddleston

Why the hell would they have new writers that don’t even understand the characters

About the TVA, it is implied they have different departments with different variants, so they send crews that would be capable of taking out any variant threat. The TVA doesn't intervene unless a variant of Kang that is evil is created, so cap traveling back must have not effected the course events to be unpruned.

@Tyler_W

2 жыл бұрын

And from what it sounds like, the TVA basically just did what Rick Sanchez did in the last season of Rick & Morty (no surprise since they hired a writer from that show for Loki). The "Sacred Timeline" is basically good Kang's attempt at blocking off a certain section of the multiverse from the wider, more chaotic multiverse so that at least some of it could be prevented from creating evil Kang.

I completely appreciate this video. I've watched the recent Spiderman once and the TV shows once, but The Batman three times because of how enjoyable it was. That says a lot when it used to be the opposite. I really do hope Blade is good, that's the movie I'm really looking forward to.

@abhimanyusunil8719

Жыл бұрын

@@OnePieceDrums spiderman no way home is mostly carried by the nostalgic moments in the movie. While the batman is a masterpiece. Stunning cinematography, thrilling story. Its really good

@lucassantossj

Жыл бұрын

@@abhimanyusunil8719 And MoM confirmed one thing to me: No way home was made just to feel like Sony is yet part of the MCU, while not being really important to this new phase.

@MetalGearBronya

Жыл бұрын

@@lucassantossj MoM tried to ride the nostalgia train like No way home but just ended up butchering the entire thing. The writing and motivations were god awful and there were no stakes since either no one actually dies in the original universe or the wizards can just come up with whatever exmachina spell they needed to slog the plot forward

@mabusestestament

Жыл бұрын

It'll never be as good as Blade II, that movie is so dope, easily the best ever Marvel movie.

@dogsbreakfast4952

Жыл бұрын

How did you sit through 3 hours of emo Batman that many times 😯

“I’m a big MCU fan” *hasn’t watched What If for some reason and refuses to watch the Agatha show*

@tsuumee4545

11 ай бұрын

Yeah... Pretty sure Agatha’s show will be quite important in regards to Wanda, considering the rumours about Billy and all.

Who else wishes that Bucky got the mantle and shield of Captain America?

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

seemed like the logical progression, since he's literally a super soldier in need of a new mantle to replace that of the winter soldier. meanwhile, sam's got his own mantle. he's falcon, the badass soldier turned hero and one of the more grounded avengers, despite being a flyer more importantly, where the hell did steve even get that damn shield from?! thanos broke his. did he steal it from another timeline? did he get wakanda to make him another one? how the hell are we supposed to take the stories seriously when they just pull shit like that out of their asses?

@pascalsimioli6777

Жыл бұрын

What? You wanted to give the shield to a guy who can actually throw it and calculate the trajectory thanks to having functionally the same serum as cap? Get out of here with that logic, don't you know politics is more important? /s

Disney ruined all the cool Avengers. And gives us Eternals? No thanks.

@tekajikuyalkrul5111

2 жыл бұрын

Mistakes make you stronger Writers of MCU: We're Gods now

@randycrawford1132

2 жыл бұрын

They didn’t ruin anyone

@caliginousmoira8565

2 жыл бұрын

@@randycrawford1132 hulk.....

@7kcomic

2 жыл бұрын

You realize that Eternals isn’t our new main group in the MCU right?

@The_Breaded92

2 жыл бұрын

@@caliginousmoira8565 yeah MCU Hulk is a fucking joke compared to comic Hulk. I honestly don't know who was nerfed more him or Scarlet Witch. Probably Hulk 😮‍💨

You verbalized and put into video everything I've been thinking and telling friends about phase 4, particularly the shows. Among many sins committed by the writing, those shows completely butcher existing characters and establish bland new ones. I'm sure you noticed all the dissent in the comments aren't backed by much, if at all, which leads me to believe that the dislike bombing came from MCU stans from Instagram who repost each other's horrible content. This was a great video, you earned a like and a sub for sure

@diannajennings266

2 жыл бұрын

The 4 MCU movies released last year are in the top 6 highest grossing movies of the last 3 years(Pandemic era).. If we only count Domestic numbers than marvel has 4 movies in the top 5 highest grossing movies of the pandemic era.

@TheAussie90

2 жыл бұрын

@@diannajennings266 XD love how u gotta bring up pandemic error as if it means anything lmao

@creepyrobsta5509

2 жыл бұрын

How much is Marvel paying you?

@diannajennings266

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAussie90 because every other movie failed ....llol

@games_on_phone89

2 жыл бұрын

@@diannajennings266 ah yes, it's not like Godzilla vs. Kong made, like, 467.9 M dollars

15:05 PREACH. I wanted Sam to be Sam, the guy who connected with Steve because he understands the trauma of war and feeling out of place in the civilian world. All things that are also true of Bucky, Walker, and Lamar.

When I first saw the teaser trailer for the Loki series, I thought it was going to be about Loki travelling from place to place using the Tesseract and creating mischief. Then, after finishing the season, I thought that it would’ve been better if they had gone with that premise but with the addition of the time stone and his mischiefs resulting in creating the multiverse.

The point you made about the character consistency from Superman the animated series to Justice League Unlimited is what makes the series unmatched

I just love how Multiverse of Madness just said "nope, Wanda is definitely a crazy bitch" (SPOILER) Wanda just merciless kill a version of Maria Rambeau who was alive and fine, making Monica the dumbest person alive by defending her. Dude she also killed Reed and Black Bolt, who are much more of a family figure than she ever was (and also Xavier, who is a father figure to a lot of kids).

@dylancross1039

Жыл бұрын

That's just House of M. My problem with that is House of M was a HUGE event, a literally universe changing event. They're jumping into it so soon after Endgame

@fangirldreamer748

Жыл бұрын

In the comics Wanda wished, all the mutants were wiped out. She has always been over powered.

@brambolino1137

Жыл бұрын

this guys must think that the movie all happened in 1 universe

@Canalbiruta

Жыл бұрын

Thing is, the problem isn't if she's addressed as a villain of not, is the fact that wanda, the one who questioned the avengers morals fpr killing so many ppl, is the one doing mass murder now.

@TheRibottoStudios

Жыл бұрын

I hate that they completely undid all her characterization in WV from GRIEVING WIDOW AND GRIEVING MOTHER to "nah she's just crazy cause THE DARKHOLD" that. IS. FCKING. CHEAP. A character doing things out of pure grief derived madness is WAY more compelling and interesting than "lol they crazy".

49:30 and let's not forget that this same exact sequence happened at the *very beginning* of Thor Ragnarok. Thor is bound in chains while messing with Surtr, and tries to call his hammer for an epic escape, but the hammer takes forever to get to him.

I remember thinking “how is Agatha a real villain when compared to Wanda?”. Waiting to hear what you have to say about the new Doctor Strange. That movie’s plot and acting are worse than porn parodies.

@Wolffman109

Жыл бұрын

How can you make a "porn parody"? Isn't it just porn?

I just think they need to hold back on releases. It really is oversaturated. Even the MCU before phase 4 had some mediocre movies but now there's just so much, it's impossible not to notice. However, I think Shang-Chi, Loki, Doctor Strange 2, and even Hawkeye were actually really good and I enjoyed them just as much as some of the other phases

@IcyDiamond

Жыл бұрын

You didn’t like No Way Home?

@Abhi-xy2hm

Жыл бұрын

Some episodes of what if are all right as well

@theawemazingcrew9702

Жыл бұрын

@@IcyDiamond I do like No Way Home. When I first saw it, it spent a brief period of time as one of my favourite movies ever. So much so that I went and saw it 5 times in theaters, which I regret doing because I'm past the nostalgia now and, it's still good. No Way Home is definitely a positive. But it just barely gets through the top 10 MCU for me now

@IcyDiamond

Жыл бұрын

@@theawemazingcrew9702 Neat, thanks for telling me

@Trejohnsmith

Жыл бұрын

@@theawemazingcrew9702 that’s why I don’t go watch an MCU movie multiple time in theaters I’ve seen an MCU at the most twice and that was Endgame

The Humor in the MCU has gotten out of control and is turning these films into what I like to call fast food movies. These movies are made to be so easily digestible with no hardcore ties to anything else or any consequences to the point where it all just feels like a Saturday film. I liked Infinity War bc it actually had stakes. The jokes were here and there but it added to the film, it didn’t kill it or fall flat on its face unlike so other films *cough cough Eternal… The Batman works so fucking well bc it knows it’s characters and it’s setting. It’s a dark and gritty world with actual consequences that the main character has to deal with. It’s not trying to throw jokes at you every 5 minutes to just keep your interest bc the writers know they are soo deep into the franchise that they no longer give a flying shit about any of these films. Marvel films are hero stories that are supposed to inflect a sense of morale and hope into its audience. Not a fucking Saturday Night Live stand up comedy show.

@ravinglibertopian3226

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Great fucking smack down speech. That's why I'm steering away from marvel ; and getting more into DC. It's just way more grounded in realism.

@TLN_Nello

2 жыл бұрын

@@ravinglibertopian3226 seriously. I’ve thought this for a while and I was one of the first ones to call out Eternals bs even with the trailer release The CGI just screamed rushed and less care put into it than the other films but ppl called me crazy And I’m gonna say it right now Thor Love and Thunder scares me bc it honestly looks like everything that’s bad in marvel put into one film. Rough CGI, jokes everywhere and a very loose story of Thor “finding himself”. They can take this in an amazing way but I bet my money they’ll take the lazy route.

@ravinglibertopian3226

2 жыл бұрын

@@TLN_Nello Tell me about it. It's hard finding a reason to stick around for the MCU when a lot of it's newer installments are becoming more and more cookie cutter after another, focusing more on messaging and humor rather than deep, high stakes serious story building. Phase 4 is trying to spin way too many stories at 1 time ; and it makes the bigger picture harder to follow. I still don't even know what larger story phase 4 is trying to build up to or what direction it wants to take. This is really my central problem with phase 4. It kinda feels artificial, whereas the other 3 phases already had a larger story to build up to(Thanos) ; so they felt much more organic. I don't get that same high stakes vibe at all with phase 4.

@TLN_Nello

2 жыл бұрын

@@ravinglibertopian3226 Some people say it feels that way bc it’s still early on in the “new era of marvel” but it shouldn’t feel that way. Captain America started out with literally no backing of the other marvel films at all. Eternals, Shang Chi, Black Widow…these are movies that should’ve EASILY been top tier. You have the hype of the previous films but that’s the problem, these new writers they are letting write these films DO NOT CARE whatsoever and it shows hard. I also blame Disney plus for this. Back in the other 3 phases we had only the big screen to see these films on. Now it’s in two places and almost being treated as separate entities when it’s all in..one..universe? Get it together Marvel holy shit.

@ravinglibertopian3226

2 жыл бұрын

@@TLN_Nello Yes. The writers seem to think that they can keep riding off the success of past MCU installments forever ; and because of that, are getting lazy and complacent in their storytelling. If they don't get it together ; that past momentum of success isn't going to last forever.

Loki show wasn't even Loki fan service cause me (and the rest of Loki tumblr) HATE the show. You know, if they WANTED to make him good instantly, could have gone the (previously popular) fan theory that the mind gem and Thanos was manipulating him, and or also bring up the torture that he obviously suffered at the hands of Thanos (remember the limping and wounds when he first came to earth in Avengers 1?)

Phase 4 was literally just show after show after show with a few very forgettable movies and Thor trying to “find himself” for the 15th time

@qrowing

Жыл бұрын

Thor *really* didn't need another film. Or at least now certainly wasn't the time for a new Thor film. Let the guy rest for a sec, while other Marvel characters set the stage with their own drama ffs.

remember the days when you didn't have to watch all the movies to get an understanding on the overall story of the mcu and they were all their own movie not relying on cameos and end credit scenes for people to be hyped. Not to mention they had characters you cared about. Yeah throw all out the window for phase 4

@ricniks4619

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say they rely on cameos the films don't need them but THE FANS won't shut tf up about who they wanna see cameo in a film due to NWW since now they know if they beg tf out of Marvel they will eventually listen and comply since NWH was a giant Spider-Man fan service movie. As for the end credits, they are supposed to be like teasers for upcoming projects to get you interested in checking them out. But can 100% agree that caring about the characters has been difficult besides the Avengers who appeared before FFH I could care less about any of the new Avengers since they haven't really had anything to get you invested into them. Everyone has just been hyped about NWH, Doctor Strange 2, Thor 2, Black Panther 2, Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 3, etc.

@dylansharp8471

2 жыл бұрын

Oh boo hoo.

@professoridiot26

2 жыл бұрын

Disney really wants to capitalize on the “All New, All Different” era of Marvel, even though it’s horse ass.

@holyother1

2 жыл бұрын

@@professoridiot26 what the hell is even going on in all new marvel. I bailed out after civil war 2

@professoridiot26

2 жыл бұрын

@@holyother1 same old story. Diversity killing good storytelling.

It seems like they (MCU) don't really have a direction, I thought they did with Loki and introducing Kang variants, but with NWH and Multiverse of Madness it doesn't seem they are capitalizing on that. For instance, I want to see more Kang variants in multiple places (instead of Captain Marvel in mom, it should have been a Kang variant).

@emfasisproductions1

Жыл бұрын

what? so wanda coulda killed him and we get to watch him die like a chump with no powers shown.... again? great idea

@glassexperience

Жыл бұрын

@@emfasisproductions1 yup, that would just be another variant of Kang. I think there should be more "Kang's" in various movies to keep reminding people of the looming threat that is to come, which is that one Kang.

@abobus_meln

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I though that Kang will be a looming threat for Phase 4 (maybe even continuing in Phase 5) just like Thanos was in Phases 1-3. Silly me, looks like he will just appear in Quantumania and maybe Loki S2. Such a shame because the actor is really fucking good. Oh, and those statements about Loki S1 having impact on NWH and MoM completely fell apart too.

@cryptonity1805

Жыл бұрын

I truly believe MoM and NWH were experimental movies to see what audiences like and don't like thus they can improve on the next films.

@VIVIEWHITE

Жыл бұрын

Until now everything on Disney+ didn’t really impact the movies… Wanda on MOM seemed not having her arc on Wanda vision, no whatsoever Lang, no sign on the new your mess from Hawkeye in NWH

I feel like the blip should have been 1 year instead of 5. That way the world would have changed, but not so much that it would cause massive problems and implications like it did as it stands. Like idk, maybe 2 or 3.

Infinity stones only work in their native universe. In Endgame they didn't take stones from a different universe, they took stones from the past of the same universe.

Bruh I felt like I was the only one. The projects are all over the place rn and in my opinion setting up way to many different things at once, to the point where it’ll be years before we get continuations or conclusions from each project they set up.

I agree that the period joke wasn’t funny, but the hysterectomy talk afterward wasn’t a joke. No one is laughing, it shuts him up, and it completely changes the tone

@maximumvelocity6664

2 жыл бұрын

I would say the way she talks about it in the scene sounds like the tone someone would use while they are making a joke, so it doesn't feel serious or impactful

@folklore_of_beth

2 жыл бұрын

@@maximumvelocity6664 she says it with a completely straight face and is monotone. That’s not the way you tell a joke. She’s not gonna cry over it, by now she’s just angry at the situation.

@iambuhlockay8007

Жыл бұрын

It was a joke. It was a “look how uncomfortable the man is hearing about hysterectomies is” joke. Yelena’s delivery was flat, but that’s known as “deadpan delivery”.

@BoredomandVanity

Жыл бұрын

@@yellowcard8100 you’re responding to a foid bruh. Of course she’s not going to see it as a joke because she’s a hyper-sensitive, far leftist.

That feeling when Blackwidow's sister hurt/killed more innocent people than the Hulk ever did.

After Endgame they should've just done a reset, then started working an entirely fresh story leading up to a big event like The Beyonders or something. They need to do in universe resets after every over arching story is complete, could be a solution. Idk.