They could’ve made the message hit if they had let us kill Abby and get the same ending at the end where Ellie ends up alone. The cost of vengeance and whether or not it was worth it.
@laurababyyy12 күн бұрын
Abby warning Ellie not to see her again but then getting captured by rattlers is always funny.
@norbertgergely99413 күн бұрын
How does multiplayer even cross your mind when speaking about a story oriented game of this caliber? You guys are really strange.
@inthehxll6 күн бұрын
And they never showed ABBY TURNING wtf she was bite right? Where is the ending to taht
@ryszakowy11 күн бұрын
john walker did nothing wrong he was sent to neutralize terrorists and that's what he did even if he did so in anger seconds after his partner got murdered but show portrays him as evil cuz white man bad terrorists killing civillians and falcon (the token black mouthpiece) says "stop calling them terrorists" damn i believe that someone employed by army and taking side of the enemy is a traitor so way to go sam you are a bigger criminal than steve rogers was when he didn't sign sokovia accords
@corvoattano454413 күн бұрын
3 years still hate this piece of garbage
@adambryan508814 күн бұрын
The part about Jerry and Abby regarding killing Ellie…. I was screaming the exact same thing. “F” them!
@T-Dawg7517 күн бұрын
I think this game should of been about the drama and tension between Joel and ellie about the first games ending with sequences of patrol around jackson meanwhile Abby is going to jackson with her crew, and we learn more about her and her people with the game ending with Abby killing Joel, and the Third game about Ellie trying to forge her path forward without leaving behind a Vaccine and doing it without her father figure. Sounds way more enjoyable.
@giorgiodechambre679819 күн бұрын
Ooh, that Kevin scream got me!! Hahahaha!!
@lolev659420 күн бұрын
Still, the Hillcrest part with Ellie pretty rad! The Abby campaign on the other end, is incredibly boring.
@lolev659420 күн бұрын
The entire game, the characters as well as the writers, seem to think that the only person in the entire world that could find a cure was Abby's dad. That's it. There was no other way. Abby's dad, in the hospital, killing Ellie. The fact that she's still immune doesn't count. Hope was killed at the same time as Abby's dad. Now Ellie is no more than another girl. The person with magic powers was Abby's dad.
@user-ic7up5ug3m21 күн бұрын
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@illusciato21 күн бұрын
I disagree about the Abby's dad part. I was really conflicted about killing the doctor, and making him the focal point and the player a chance at redemption i thought was powerful. I agree about the minority characters lol didnt even think about it but ironic for sure. We just do disagree about rhe Abby angle. I was definitly more team Abby by the end, idk why everyone is so obsessed with Joel to the point of not being able to embrace the complexities of differing perspectives even when the game spells them out pretty well.
@full-timeanimeman434121 күн бұрын
It's not the fact that people are obsessed with Joel. It's the fact of how he died.
@illusciato21 күн бұрын
@@full-timeanimeman4341 i get that, although I think it works in making you angry at Abby and wanting revenge and then when the game pulls the switch on you, really throws you for a loop once u work more into her perspective. I know I wanted nothing more than to annihilate her, and then when I realized who her dad was my mouth dropped, since I was ALWAYS conflicted about Joel killing the doctor and the main fireflies.
@festivepear284222 күн бұрын
Its either you love this game or you hate it . Nothing else
@superpixelwarrior689324 күн бұрын
In defense of TFAWS for John walker killing the terrorist. Here’s how I see it’s a bad thing like they present it as. It’s not that he killed a terrorist that makes him look bad, it’s the fact he did it in front of a large group of people. Steve rogers probably never would’ve killed a terrorist in front of a crowd of people
@AlbertTheHandsomeManАй бұрын
Take my like bro
@jarezbear9502Ай бұрын
This game shits all over the characters they created and we fell in love with. Joel dies a horrible painful death, and Ellie descends into madness and succumbs to her greatest fear which is being alone. It's like naughty dog wanted to punish us for liking these characters.
@those12Ай бұрын
Is actually think it was an amazing game!! I’m playing ghost of Tsushima and it makes me miss playing last of us 😅
@rickyflickyn408Ай бұрын
Yall be doing too much tryna to dissect these stories. No story is perfect, and the last of us is a damn good one. Just play the fucking game lol
@full-timeanimeman4341Ай бұрын
I don't understand. You say they're doing too much dissecting, but they should just play the f ing game?
@rickyflickyn408Ай бұрын
@@full-timeanimeman4341 “ they should’ve done this” “why did they do this to this character” if anything naughty dog and doing exactly what they want. Just because you don’t like what happens to Joel or Jesse or Abby doesn’t make it a bad story. It’s one of the best in gaming ever
@crazyinsane500Ай бұрын
@@rickyflickyn408 They didn't do what they want. Neil Druckmann wanted an entire game to be about Abby all on her own, but his life experience showed him *nobody* wants anything he made. So instead he made this entire story to destroy the first game's content to make way for Abby, who's just a rework of how he originally envisioned Joel. TLOU2 only exists because Neil Druckmann's a bad writer who couldn't handle people telling him his revenge quest story was stupid.
@viperrecords3288Ай бұрын
The Last of Us 2 is a masterpiece. It took balls to tell this story. Most people are just too immature to appreciate it.
@Neo-ff4uoАй бұрын
Ehm... It will kinda never not suck.
@luvstagrindАй бұрын
Somehow wins GoTY
@salmaofinlandes6793Ай бұрын
You were going strong until the sjw bs. It's honestly pathetic seeing "minorities" (as you call them) bashing videogames for killing people of a certain race or sexuality ffs. The so called "minorities" are literally the MAJORITY of characters created in the last 10 years and you guys still find ways to complain because "muhh they killed too many black characters". If there is something I've learned is that it's never enough for you people.
@lucklessflightАй бұрын
good job bratha. you called it as what it is unlike others who r making hypothetical arguments for both jumping in the debate train and not catch negative buzz earned a sub👍
@ntsocializingАй бұрын
How can your message be violence is bad when you put your settings in an apocalypse where violence is the only way to save you? Also revenge across the country is so unrealistic especially in the first game Joel and Ellie had a hard time going across a state.
@crazyinsane500Ай бұрын
Well the writer for the game isn't a game designer, he's a failed comic author. Yeah, a LOT makes sense with that in mind, doesn't it?
@exceedinglyaverage1179Ай бұрын
Everyone who isn’t on the “You can only love it or else” payroll still hates the story.
@user-gl7vl9zp4zАй бұрын
elie toke about a week to do the revenge and she saw how joel was tortured, abbe toke 4 years to do the revenge despite she didn't see the killing and obviously the dad was not tortured .. the game story is very messed up and show how we dealing with really troubled minds who uses graphics to spread syco ideas, i even can't play the game in front of my kids with all inappropriate content
@isaiahjolin7178Ай бұрын
Hello Tissan Young. My name is Isaiah and I have something important to say to you. God loves you and just like a parent on earth he wants to help you and keep you safe especially from the evil one. But I am not just speaking to you about this I am also talking to your fans about this. God loves you all and especially in the times we our living in we are in need of him more than ever. But the choice is ultimately yours have a nice day Shalom Shalom.
@WondrousJoJoАй бұрын
This was EXACTLY why I never finished Cyberpunk 2077! I nearly rage quit, which is something I haven't done in video games since I was a kid. I'm usually a pretty calm person, and if a part of a game gets hard, I can calmly quit or take a break and come back to the game. But with this game, I got so fed up with all of the glitches, that I just couldn't play anymore. I was so excited for this game prior to its release, like, SO excited. It was going to be my first time playing a AAA game on time (versus discovering a game years later or experiencing it far after its initial release). (Side note: technically KH3 was my first AAA game, and I am a KH fan, but I was in school at the time, and had to wait many months later to play). I even created my first Twitter account to keep up with CD Projekt RED (I am always so hesitant when it comes to creating a new social media account, which is weird considering my channel lol). I bought the Collector's Edition and was just so excited. Then release day came. I was so ready to play the game. Everything was going well, I was loving Night City...and then not even all that far into the story, the glitches became so unbearable to me that I quit. The glitches were so bad to the point where I could not even complete missions to advance in the main story. Even when I would restart the system (and one time, I even restarted the entire game), the issues still continued. At that point, I couldn't do it anymore. I have not touched the game since then. I'm sure it's fine now years later....but I was so far turned off that I do not think I'll ever revisit it.
@sirtickleshitzАй бұрын
I remember the last person I told that I didn't like this game, dude started throwing a temper tantrum and whining about how I just didn't like Abby, the graphics, story, and combat were the best ever made. Yet couldn't tell me why the story was good.
@BricksAndSparrows2 ай бұрын
It’s funny to hear you call the gameplay “shitty”. And also came to like the first game so much. It’s hard not to question your motives.
@HighAltitudeMMA2 ай бұрын
If your game is going to be so heavily narrative driven... then the characters' actions and motivations must make sense. It makes zero sense that thw two main characters would kill 1000 people between the two of them just to take turns sparing each others lives.
@DakiiYT2 ай бұрын
i love the game
@Jake-nm3tb28 күн бұрын
You like trash
@leighkinnear15532 ай бұрын
It all suits the narrative and what needed to happen for the story they wanted to tell. The price of love, the pain of grief and the cost of revenge. hopefully people appreciate it more now with the re-release. And it's very 'real' ....these, 'lovable' characters can be ripped away at any second unceremoniously... And as someone who's partner was ripped away from them at 33 years of age a little over a year ago, weeks before my big 30th - something I was supposed to celebrate and remember as a milestone with my love by my side..someone who grounded me and I to this day depend on by putting him in everything I do in life - all for him...I relate - Ellies character arc makes perfect sense to me - her behaviour and rage and ruthless nature to make the ones responsible make perfect sense to me, if I could kill the all my partner would not come back - I would feel no better... Currently it would just feel like justice but I know that would dissappear very quickly. This is the only part of this character I can't relate to because I couldn't let Abbie go at the end. I relate to every other part of this character though -I think this characters arc is made for people like me to relate to. Be thankful you don't 😔 most of us will live a long life. Unfortunately not all do - loveable amazing characters like loveable amazing people suddenly being in your life one minute and gone the next is painful to the player as it is horrifying to someone actually living it because we loved them - we don't want to see them gone - we hate it, we want the people responsible to pay, we want them to feel how we feel... To be honest from my perspective - it's a masterpiece in storytelling on the themes I stated at the start of my Comment - something a lot of (stereotypically and statistically young but not exclusively by any means of course) gamers won't relate to for a long time so can't appreciate as is. And the narrative of some of these themes many will never have to go through...someoene they love dearly passing way before their time, suddenly and tragically, no goodbye - sometimes with the last time you saw them not leaving it on the best of terms with them either - I've never played anything that more perfectly suits my life at the minute and how I feel - nor do I have a pair of protagonists I can relate to more! I'm in a massive minority but it's accurate to me at least - so accurate.
@CLUMSY1012 ай бұрын
Till today, I still pretend this A hole game never existed. Replaying the 1st game so many times instead. Neil is fockin dumb for not giving several endings based on which OPTIONs (Kill or Forgive Abby) at the end. He was too busy blind simping for Anita.
@pawpincawrn2 ай бұрын
Pov you have the reading/listening comprehension of a 6 year old.
@sethtone86342 ай бұрын
Honestly why did they never have Abby try to understand Ellies emotion........If she didn't know who Ellie was then she could have just beat a girls father to death in front of her....i would think that if shes begging me not to kill her...The whole no one understanding Ellies pain when Abby lost her shit is weird to me.
@crazyinsane5002 ай бұрын
So, you ever read a fanfiction where there's tons of missing information that's clearly there as a result of the author never conveying things in the story but thinking the audience will just "get" their headspace? That's what happened. Neil Druckmann had this headcanon version of Abby where she's the coolest, smartest, bestest, most moral person in the whole wide world and Ellie was evil and unjustified and deserves to die alone. From scene one you were supposed to see Abby and cheer, and cheer for her the entire game and boo Ellie. Kinda like Paul Anderson's treatment of his wife in the Resident Evil movies. Naturally there's a disconnect if you have no inherent investment in Abby's character to gloss over issues like that.
@leighkinnear15532 ай бұрын
Because sometimes when someone you love dearly is ripped away from you. You would be willing to take every last thing away from them. Grief fucks your entire being up it really does
@sethtone8634Ай бұрын
then dont ask me to get behind such a crapppy caracter
@GreatBeyond742 ай бұрын
Here is a sandwich it’s steak
@GreatBeyond742 ай бұрын
Evil within 2 is a banger
@dk666cbc2 ай бұрын
I love the last of us two but you're totally right. I love the video it's really good. I think it's because I lived in Seattle for a while and there's a little apartment place that you can actually go into. I think they turned it into a pet store but it's on 6th avenue in downtown.
@professorboltzmann57092 ай бұрын
abbyzilla
@jordanongelstern2 ай бұрын
3:10 KEVIN‼
@DrewStat2 ай бұрын
The Last of Us Part 2 IMO is better than Part 1. Story is actually stronger than Part 1’s. It’s a shame some of us won’t allow ourselves to see that.
@YTuseraL26942 ай бұрын
Lol, tfw "let's pretend my opinion is a fact you're too lesser to see like me, a smartass". Typical stan.
@HighAltitudeMMA2 ай бұрын
Right... bc it totally makes sense that two characters who hate each other so much they would kill HUNDREDS of people would take turns sparing each other's lives. Poorly written is an understatement
@JohnK.112 ай бұрын
I don’t know how anyone can say this game is bad. People are so in love with Joel’s character it just blinds them to how great this game really is.
@full-timeanimeman43412 ай бұрын
I'd say it's not that joel died but how he died. I mean, he was killed by people that we dont know until the middle of the game. The doctor he killed doesn't even look like the doctor from the first nonremastered game.
@syca50942 ай бұрын
Why do ya'll think it only has to do with joel this joel that its the writing. We all expected him to die, they executed it terribly. Watch his character in the first game, look at how easily he gives his personal info up in the second one and tell me how tf thats the same man. To like the story we have to believe things would actually happen the way they do. It has to be believable and when its not, you get thrown off of the story and theres a disconnect. The game is great they just executed everything so terribly.
@damiondunn46632 ай бұрын
This game is the same as suicide squad v justice league. It killed off the main character of the last game in the most disrespectful way possible, it has mid/bad writing, they have a muscle woman in it that gets more attention then any other character, and finally people for some reason defend both
@matthewmartinez98352 ай бұрын
I still don’t like this game the combat is nice the shooting is wonderful but the story is just isn’t for me and I don’t like it
@Jelqmaster69_82 ай бұрын
24:17 true. there’s not even a vaccine for any fungal infections in real life, plus, that’s not how fungus interacts with hosts. They’re treating it like a disease. On top of that, she is biologically resistant, how would they even make a vaccine from her DNA? Couldn’t they just study her DNA through blood samples, or PCR anyways? The worst part is that wasn’t even their plan. They were just going to harvest its cells from her spinal cord, as if it’s not still Cordyceps. They’d have a better chance of saving humanity if Ellie just had a kid 💀
@YukonBloamie2 ай бұрын
Joel didn't grow soft in Jackson. He realized his life is pointless without Ellie and that was a strain at the time of his death. He told her he would do it all over again. That was the point that Ellie had to live with.
@jamescrain44522 ай бұрын
I don't think abby is necessarily a bad person or character but I do think she is badly written, let me explain - I personally will never be able to get on board with abby because to me Joel and Ellie are the protagonists and she is the antagonist no matter how much the game tries to make me like her. now, is abby an objectively bad person? I would say no, at least not any more than Ellie is and there's definitely a big argument to be made that Ellie and especially Joel are objectively worse people than abby. however if the question is is abby a badly written character, in that case I would say yes. a lot of people myself included will never be able to care about abby because of Joels death and how it went down in relation to how abby is framed throughout the game. Abby isn't any worse of a person than Ellie but I do think she is overall badly written whereas although Ellie could be seen as a worse person in universe, I still care more about her and in my opinion she is very well written. I don't think the whole idea of there's two sides to every story works for a lot of people like myself because at the end of the day I really don't care who's in the right or wrong, and I don't care about Abbys story, I care about Joel and Ellie. Because they are my protagonists who I've loved and gotten to know since the first game and abby was only written into the second game after the fact to kill Joel in a very contrived and plot convenient way which is somewhat unbelievable considering how Joel was always shown to be very weary of strangers in the first game and because of how they very conveniently happened to cross paths PLUS I really don't like how early in the game it happens although that's not necessarily a narrative issue its just me wanting more time with Joel. but I definitely don't think we should've been forced to play half the game as her and have it framed where she's a good person who we're supposed to like because I DONT CARE how good of a person she is or how likable she may be. I understand why she killed Joel and i already knew Joel would die going into the game, but I just don't care about her motives or whether or not she's objectively morally correct because I simply care about Ellie more whether she's wrong or right. I know Ellie was objectively wrong to kill all those people to get to abby just like I know Joel was objectively wrong to kill all the fireflies in the first game. but I think where the divide in the player base comes from is there's the people like me who are loyal to Joel and Ellie no matter what because they're our protagonists who we've grown to love and care about since tlou1, and then there's the other people who look at it from an objective moral point of view who say abby is in the right and she's got her own side of the story and is a good person so they agree with her and want her to live. the same people who disagree with Joels choice at the end of the first game are the people who like tlou2, the people like me who agree with Joels choice are mostly the same ones who don't like part 2, so it just goes back to the divide in the player base with two separate ways of thinking. I know Joel ruined the worlds only chance at a cure and that is objectively way more important than one girls life, but I agree with Joel because I would save Ellie over the entire world too because she's ELLIE, she's the protagonist and the person we love and care about and the rest of the world isn't, its just a question of loyalty. For me the issue with abby is I never cared about her or her dad like I did Ellie and her dad. I will always want Joel and Ellie to win and abby to lose because abby is the antagonist of Joel and Ellies story and like I said earlier, they are the only two protagonists of the game to me. I also don't think it makes sense for Ellie to not kill abby after killing all those hundreds of people to get to abby, some in very brutal ways and to be so determined to kill her throughout the whole game where its all that matters to her and she fucks over the life she had with Dina and jj and is basically an asshole to everyone around her the entire game because all she cares about is getting to kill abby, and then her getting a flashback of Joel which should make her want to kill abby even more, only then to all of the sudden decide she doesn't want to kill her after all of that. like she's willing to kill all those people indiscriminately most of whom didn't have anything to do with Joels death but then only decides to have mercy on the very last person in the chain out of all of them who actually directly killed Joel and who she's shown to hate and want dead more than anything throughout the entire game. it never made much sense to me and I feel like its just plot convenience again because the game expects you to like both characters by this point and not want either of them to die but Ellie should definitely still want abby dead just like she adamantly has wanted for the whole game. and in my case I was rooting for Ellie and was completely pissed when she let abby go. The game does kind of lazily imply the reason she let abby go is because of lev, with Ellie not wanting to take a parental figure away from a kid like what happened to both her and abby, and not wanting to continue the cycle of violence because she has a conscience and it happened to her. But I reject this because she already continued the cycle of violence with the hundreds of other people she killed, some of whom definitely had kids and/or parents. I think if they had the exact same story except I just play as Ellie the whole way through I wouldn't even have much of an issue with the narrative besides some of the lazy writing surrounding Joels death and Ellie not killing abby at the end, as well as a couple other minor writing issues. My main issue with the narrative is just the fact that the whole two sides to every story thing about how the good guys are the bad guys in someone else's story just doesn't work at all for me because I don't care about who's good or bad I just care about my protagonists which are Joel and Ellie. and it not only makes me play as the antagonist for half the game, it also tries to frame it where im supposed to like her and feel for her when I just want what Ellie wants which is to kill abby. the game even makes us fight against Ellie at one point and beat her up with us having to play as abby and the whole time im screaming at the tv to let me switch characters. I will always care about Ellie more and that's just all there is to it its just a question of loyalty and im loyal to Ellie and Joel over abby and lev all day long. they aren't bad characters objectively, but trying to get me to like them is just never gonna work so in my opinion they are badly written.
@crazyinsane5002 ай бұрын
Abby is a bad person, and that is confirmed in one word: "Good." You're not wrong that she was badly written. In any other story, if the author wants to convey that someone has changed and is no longer evil, they'd make the attempt to restrain themselves without needing outside interference when it comes to killing someone who is of no threat to them. Abby does not go through that, because the writer *assumed* that her being nice to Lev gave her free license to be evil, like objective morality works on the Fallout 3 Karma system.
@syca50942 ай бұрын
@@crazyinsane500 perfectly said mate.
@brooklynb80622 ай бұрын
Ah yes yet another person who didn’t understand the game and based it on their personal feelings
@vrmax19192 ай бұрын
Uh i mean ellies part was great but playing as abbie was just pure shit 😂
@damarcuspenamon73162 ай бұрын
You can understand something and still not like it, don’t project just cuz you like this piece of shit and we don’t
@full-timeanimeman43412 ай бұрын
@@damarcuspenamon7316I strongly agree
@francescomoscatelli36942 ай бұрын
"another person who didn’t understand the game" You all just repeat this over and over again,as if this game was that hard to understand. For once, try to respond to the criticism pointed out in the video instead of dismissing all of that with the same "you didn't understand the game"
@JIMT4123 күн бұрын
I think is you guys who don't understand this story
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They could’ve made the message hit if they had let us kill Abby and get the same ending at the end where Ellie ends up alone. The cost of vengeance and whether or not it was worth it.
Abby warning Ellie not to see her again but then getting captured by rattlers is always funny.
How does multiplayer even cross your mind when speaking about a story oriented game of this caliber? You guys are really strange.
And they never showed ABBY TURNING wtf she was bite right? Where is the ending to taht
john walker did nothing wrong he was sent to neutralize terrorists and that's what he did even if he did so in anger seconds after his partner got murdered but show portrays him as evil cuz white man bad terrorists killing civillians and falcon (the token black mouthpiece) says "stop calling them terrorists" damn i believe that someone employed by army and taking side of the enemy is a traitor so way to go sam you are a bigger criminal than steve rogers was when he didn't sign sokovia accords
3 years still hate this piece of garbage
The part about Jerry and Abby regarding killing Ellie…. I was screaming the exact same thing. “F” them!
I think this game should of been about the drama and tension between Joel and ellie about the first games ending with sequences of patrol around jackson meanwhile Abby is going to jackson with her crew, and we learn more about her and her people with the game ending with Abby killing Joel, and the Third game about Ellie trying to forge her path forward without leaving behind a Vaccine and doing it without her father figure. Sounds way more enjoyable.
Ooh, that Kevin scream got me!! Hahahaha!!
Still, the Hillcrest part with Ellie pretty rad! The Abby campaign on the other end, is incredibly boring.
The entire game, the characters as well as the writers, seem to think that the only person in the entire world that could find a cure was Abby's dad. That's it. There was no other way. Abby's dad, in the hospital, killing Ellie. The fact that she's still immune doesn't count. Hope was killed at the same time as Abby's dad. Now Ellie is no more than another girl. The person with magic powers was Abby's dad.
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I disagree about the Abby's dad part. I was really conflicted about killing the doctor, and making him the focal point and the player a chance at redemption i thought was powerful. I agree about the minority characters lol didnt even think about it but ironic for sure. We just do disagree about rhe Abby angle. I was definitly more team Abby by the end, idk why everyone is so obsessed with Joel to the point of not being able to embrace the complexities of differing perspectives even when the game spells them out pretty well.
It's not the fact that people are obsessed with Joel. It's the fact of how he died.
@@full-timeanimeman4341 i get that, although I think it works in making you angry at Abby and wanting revenge and then when the game pulls the switch on you, really throws you for a loop once u work more into her perspective. I know I wanted nothing more than to annihilate her, and then when I realized who her dad was my mouth dropped, since I was ALWAYS conflicted about Joel killing the doctor and the main fireflies.
Its either you love this game or you hate it . Nothing else
In defense of TFAWS for John walker killing the terrorist. Here’s how I see it’s a bad thing like they present it as. It’s not that he killed a terrorist that makes him look bad, it’s the fact he did it in front of a large group of people. Steve rogers probably never would’ve killed a terrorist in front of a crowd of people
Take my like bro
This game shits all over the characters they created and we fell in love with. Joel dies a horrible painful death, and Ellie descends into madness and succumbs to her greatest fear which is being alone. It's like naughty dog wanted to punish us for liking these characters.
Is actually think it was an amazing game!! I’m playing ghost of Tsushima and it makes me miss playing last of us 😅
Yall be doing too much tryna to dissect these stories. No story is perfect, and the last of us is a damn good one. Just play the fucking game lol
I don't understand. You say they're doing too much dissecting, but they should just play the f ing game?
@@full-timeanimeman4341 “ they should’ve done this” “why did they do this to this character” if anything naughty dog and doing exactly what they want. Just because you don’t like what happens to Joel or Jesse or Abby doesn’t make it a bad story. It’s one of the best in gaming ever
@@rickyflickyn408 They didn't do what they want. Neil Druckmann wanted an entire game to be about Abby all on her own, but his life experience showed him *nobody* wants anything he made. So instead he made this entire story to destroy the first game's content to make way for Abby, who's just a rework of how he originally envisioned Joel. TLOU2 only exists because Neil Druckmann's a bad writer who couldn't handle people telling him his revenge quest story was stupid.
The Last of Us 2 is a masterpiece. It took balls to tell this story. Most people are just too immature to appreciate it.
Ehm... It will kinda never not suck.
Somehow wins GoTY
You were going strong until the sjw bs. It's honestly pathetic seeing "minorities" (as you call them) bashing videogames for killing people of a certain race or sexuality ffs. The so called "minorities" are literally the MAJORITY of characters created in the last 10 years and you guys still find ways to complain because "muhh they killed too many black characters". If there is something I've learned is that it's never enough for you people.
good job bratha. you called it as what it is unlike others who r making hypothetical arguments for both jumping in the debate train and not catch negative buzz earned a sub👍
How can your message be violence is bad when you put your settings in an apocalypse where violence is the only way to save you? Also revenge across the country is so unrealistic especially in the first game Joel and Ellie had a hard time going across a state.
Well the writer for the game isn't a game designer, he's a failed comic author. Yeah, a LOT makes sense with that in mind, doesn't it?
Everyone who isn’t on the “You can only love it or else” payroll still hates the story.
elie toke about a week to do the revenge and she saw how joel was tortured, abbe toke 4 years to do the revenge despite she didn't see the killing and obviously the dad was not tortured .. the game story is very messed up and show how we dealing with really troubled minds who uses graphics to spread syco ideas, i even can't play the game in front of my kids with all inappropriate content
Hello Tissan Young. My name is Isaiah and I have something important to say to you. God loves you and just like a parent on earth he wants to help you and keep you safe especially from the evil one. But I am not just speaking to you about this I am also talking to your fans about this. God loves you all and especially in the times we our living in we are in need of him more than ever. But the choice is ultimately yours have a nice day Shalom Shalom.
This was EXACTLY why I never finished Cyberpunk 2077! I nearly rage quit, which is something I haven't done in video games since I was a kid. I'm usually a pretty calm person, and if a part of a game gets hard, I can calmly quit or take a break and come back to the game. But with this game, I got so fed up with all of the glitches, that I just couldn't play anymore. I was so excited for this game prior to its release, like, SO excited. It was going to be my first time playing a AAA game on time (versus discovering a game years later or experiencing it far after its initial release). (Side note: technically KH3 was my first AAA game, and I am a KH fan, but I was in school at the time, and had to wait many months later to play). I even created my first Twitter account to keep up with CD Projekt RED (I am always so hesitant when it comes to creating a new social media account, which is weird considering my channel lol). I bought the Collector's Edition and was just so excited. Then release day came. I was so ready to play the game. Everything was going well, I was loving Night City...and then not even all that far into the story, the glitches became so unbearable to me that I quit. The glitches were so bad to the point where I could not even complete missions to advance in the main story. Even when I would restart the system (and one time, I even restarted the entire game), the issues still continued. At that point, I couldn't do it anymore. I have not touched the game since then. I'm sure it's fine now years later....but I was so far turned off that I do not think I'll ever revisit it.
I remember the last person I told that I didn't like this game, dude started throwing a temper tantrum and whining about how I just didn't like Abby, the graphics, story, and combat were the best ever made. Yet couldn't tell me why the story was good.
It’s funny to hear you call the gameplay “shitty”. And also came to like the first game so much. It’s hard not to question your motives.
If your game is going to be so heavily narrative driven... then the characters' actions and motivations must make sense. It makes zero sense that thw two main characters would kill 1000 people between the two of them just to take turns sparing each others lives.
i love the game
You like trash
It all suits the narrative and what needed to happen for the story they wanted to tell. The price of love, the pain of grief and the cost of revenge. hopefully people appreciate it more now with the re-release. And it's very 'real' ....these, 'lovable' characters can be ripped away at any second unceremoniously... And as someone who's partner was ripped away from them at 33 years of age a little over a year ago, weeks before my big 30th - something I was supposed to celebrate and remember as a milestone with my love by my side..someone who grounded me and I to this day depend on by putting him in everything I do in life - all for him...I relate - Ellies character arc makes perfect sense to me - her behaviour and rage and ruthless nature to make the ones responsible make perfect sense to me, if I could kill the all my partner would not come back - I would feel no better... Currently it would just feel like justice but I know that would dissappear very quickly. This is the only part of this character I can't relate to because I couldn't let Abbie go at the end. I relate to every other part of this character though -I think this characters arc is made for people like me to relate to. Be thankful you don't 😔 most of us will live a long life. Unfortunately not all do - loveable amazing characters like loveable amazing people suddenly being in your life one minute and gone the next is painful to the player as it is horrifying to someone actually living it because we loved them - we don't want to see them gone - we hate it, we want the people responsible to pay, we want them to feel how we feel... To be honest from my perspective - it's a masterpiece in storytelling on the themes I stated at the start of my Comment - something a lot of (stereotypically and statistically young but not exclusively by any means of course) gamers won't relate to for a long time so can't appreciate as is. And the narrative of some of these themes many will never have to go through...someoene they love dearly passing way before their time, suddenly and tragically, no goodbye - sometimes with the last time you saw them not leaving it on the best of terms with them either - I've never played anything that more perfectly suits my life at the minute and how I feel - nor do I have a pair of protagonists I can relate to more! I'm in a massive minority but it's accurate to me at least - so accurate.
Till today, I still pretend this A hole game never existed. Replaying the 1st game so many times instead. Neil is fockin dumb for not giving several endings based on which OPTIONs (Kill or Forgive Abby) at the end. He was too busy blind simping for Anita.
Pov you have the reading/listening comprehension of a 6 year old.
Honestly why did they never have Abby try to understand Ellies emotion........If she didn't know who Ellie was then she could have just beat a girls father to death in front of her....i would think that if shes begging me not to kill her...The whole no one understanding Ellies pain when Abby lost her shit is weird to me.
So, you ever read a fanfiction where there's tons of missing information that's clearly there as a result of the author never conveying things in the story but thinking the audience will just "get" their headspace? That's what happened. Neil Druckmann had this headcanon version of Abby where she's the coolest, smartest, bestest, most moral person in the whole wide world and Ellie was evil and unjustified and deserves to die alone. From scene one you were supposed to see Abby and cheer, and cheer for her the entire game and boo Ellie. Kinda like Paul Anderson's treatment of his wife in the Resident Evil movies. Naturally there's a disconnect if you have no inherent investment in Abby's character to gloss over issues like that.
Because sometimes when someone you love dearly is ripped away from you. You would be willing to take every last thing away from them. Grief fucks your entire being up it really does
then dont ask me to get behind such a crapppy caracter
Here is a sandwich it’s steak
Evil within 2 is a banger
I love the last of us two but you're totally right. I love the video it's really good. I think it's because I lived in Seattle for a while and there's a little apartment place that you can actually go into. I think they turned it into a pet store but it's on 6th avenue in downtown.
abbyzilla
3:10 KEVIN‼
The Last of Us Part 2 IMO is better than Part 1. Story is actually stronger than Part 1’s. It’s a shame some of us won’t allow ourselves to see that.
Lol, tfw "let's pretend my opinion is a fact you're too lesser to see like me, a smartass". Typical stan.
Right... bc it totally makes sense that two characters who hate each other so much they would kill HUNDREDS of people would take turns sparing each other's lives. Poorly written is an understatement
I don’t know how anyone can say this game is bad. People are so in love with Joel’s character it just blinds them to how great this game really is.
I'd say it's not that joel died but how he died. I mean, he was killed by people that we dont know until the middle of the game. The doctor he killed doesn't even look like the doctor from the first nonremastered game.
Why do ya'll think it only has to do with joel this joel that its the writing. We all expected him to die, they executed it terribly. Watch his character in the first game, look at how easily he gives his personal info up in the second one and tell me how tf thats the same man. To like the story we have to believe things would actually happen the way they do. It has to be believable and when its not, you get thrown off of the story and theres a disconnect. The game is great they just executed everything so terribly.
This game is the same as suicide squad v justice league. It killed off the main character of the last game in the most disrespectful way possible, it has mid/bad writing, they have a muscle woman in it that gets more attention then any other character, and finally people for some reason defend both
I still don’t like this game the combat is nice the shooting is wonderful but the story is just isn’t for me and I don’t like it
24:17 true. there’s not even a vaccine for any fungal infections in real life, plus, that’s not how fungus interacts with hosts. They’re treating it like a disease. On top of that, she is biologically resistant, how would they even make a vaccine from her DNA? Couldn’t they just study her DNA through blood samples, or PCR anyways? The worst part is that wasn’t even their plan. They were just going to harvest its cells from her spinal cord, as if it’s not still Cordyceps. They’d have a better chance of saving humanity if Ellie just had a kid 💀
Joel didn't grow soft in Jackson. He realized his life is pointless without Ellie and that was a strain at the time of his death. He told her he would do it all over again. That was the point that Ellie had to live with.
I don't think abby is necessarily a bad person or character but I do think she is badly written, let me explain - I personally will never be able to get on board with abby because to me Joel and Ellie are the protagonists and she is the antagonist no matter how much the game tries to make me like her. now, is abby an objectively bad person? I would say no, at least not any more than Ellie is and there's definitely a big argument to be made that Ellie and especially Joel are objectively worse people than abby. however if the question is is abby a badly written character, in that case I would say yes. a lot of people myself included will never be able to care about abby because of Joels death and how it went down in relation to how abby is framed throughout the game. Abby isn't any worse of a person than Ellie but I do think she is overall badly written whereas although Ellie could be seen as a worse person in universe, I still care more about her and in my opinion she is very well written. I don't think the whole idea of there's two sides to every story works for a lot of people like myself because at the end of the day I really don't care who's in the right or wrong, and I don't care about Abbys story, I care about Joel and Ellie. Because they are my protagonists who I've loved and gotten to know since the first game and abby was only written into the second game after the fact to kill Joel in a very contrived and plot convenient way which is somewhat unbelievable considering how Joel was always shown to be very weary of strangers in the first game and because of how they very conveniently happened to cross paths PLUS I really don't like how early in the game it happens although that's not necessarily a narrative issue its just me wanting more time with Joel. but I definitely don't think we should've been forced to play half the game as her and have it framed where she's a good person who we're supposed to like because I DONT CARE how good of a person she is or how likable she may be. I understand why she killed Joel and i already knew Joel would die going into the game, but I just don't care about her motives or whether or not she's objectively morally correct because I simply care about Ellie more whether she's wrong or right. I know Ellie was objectively wrong to kill all those people to get to abby just like I know Joel was objectively wrong to kill all the fireflies in the first game. but I think where the divide in the player base comes from is there's the people like me who are loyal to Joel and Ellie no matter what because they're our protagonists who we've grown to love and care about since tlou1, and then there's the other people who look at it from an objective moral point of view who say abby is in the right and she's got her own side of the story and is a good person so they agree with her and want her to live. the same people who disagree with Joels choice at the end of the first game are the people who like tlou2, the people like me who agree with Joels choice are mostly the same ones who don't like part 2, so it just goes back to the divide in the player base with two separate ways of thinking. I know Joel ruined the worlds only chance at a cure and that is objectively way more important than one girls life, but I agree with Joel because I would save Ellie over the entire world too because she's ELLIE, she's the protagonist and the person we love and care about and the rest of the world isn't, its just a question of loyalty. For me the issue with abby is I never cared about her or her dad like I did Ellie and her dad. I will always want Joel and Ellie to win and abby to lose because abby is the antagonist of Joel and Ellies story and like I said earlier, they are the only two protagonists of the game to me. I also don't think it makes sense for Ellie to not kill abby after killing all those hundreds of people to get to abby, some in very brutal ways and to be so determined to kill her throughout the whole game where its all that matters to her and she fucks over the life she had with Dina and jj and is basically an asshole to everyone around her the entire game because all she cares about is getting to kill abby, and then her getting a flashback of Joel which should make her want to kill abby even more, only then to all of the sudden decide she doesn't want to kill her after all of that. like she's willing to kill all those people indiscriminately most of whom didn't have anything to do with Joels death but then only decides to have mercy on the very last person in the chain out of all of them who actually directly killed Joel and who she's shown to hate and want dead more than anything throughout the entire game. it never made much sense to me and I feel like its just plot convenience again because the game expects you to like both characters by this point and not want either of them to die but Ellie should definitely still want abby dead just like she adamantly has wanted for the whole game. and in my case I was rooting for Ellie and was completely pissed when she let abby go. The game does kind of lazily imply the reason she let abby go is because of lev, with Ellie not wanting to take a parental figure away from a kid like what happened to both her and abby, and not wanting to continue the cycle of violence because she has a conscience and it happened to her. But I reject this because she already continued the cycle of violence with the hundreds of other people she killed, some of whom definitely had kids and/or parents. I think if they had the exact same story except I just play as Ellie the whole way through I wouldn't even have much of an issue with the narrative besides some of the lazy writing surrounding Joels death and Ellie not killing abby at the end, as well as a couple other minor writing issues. My main issue with the narrative is just the fact that the whole two sides to every story thing about how the good guys are the bad guys in someone else's story just doesn't work at all for me because I don't care about who's good or bad I just care about my protagonists which are Joel and Ellie. and it not only makes me play as the antagonist for half the game, it also tries to frame it where im supposed to like her and feel for her when I just want what Ellie wants which is to kill abby. the game even makes us fight against Ellie at one point and beat her up with us having to play as abby and the whole time im screaming at the tv to let me switch characters. I will always care about Ellie more and that's just all there is to it its just a question of loyalty and im loyal to Ellie and Joel over abby and lev all day long. they aren't bad characters objectively, but trying to get me to like them is just never gonna work so in my opinion they are badly written.
Abby is a bad person, and that is confirmed in one word: "Good." You're not wrong that she was badly written. In any other story, if the author wants to convey that someone has changed and is no longer evil, they'd make the attempt to restrain themselves without needing outside interference when it comes to killing someone who is of no threat to them. Abby does not go through that, because the writer *assumed* that her being nice to Lev gave her free license to be evil, like objective morality works on the Fallout 3 Karma system.
@@crazyinsane500 perfectly said mate.
Ah yes yet another person who didn’t understand the game and based it on their personal feelings
Uh i mean ellies part was great but playing as abbie was just pure shit 😂
You can understand something and still not like it, don’t project just cuz you like this piece of shit and we don’t
@@damarcuspenamon7316I strongly agree
"another person who didn’t understand the game" You all just repeat this over and over again,as if this game was that hard to understand. For once, try to respond to the criticism pointed out in the video instead of dismissing all of that with the same "you didn't understand the game"
I think is you guys who don't understand this story
Gameplay ok story was sjw bs I was dissapointed