Phase 4 feels like like the side quest after you finish the main levels in a game

@Littledino1403

Жыл бұрын

And you realise you really should have played them before the final mission

@981zASDF

Жыл бұрын

It's funny, I remember some reddit forums back in 2015 that WANTED that. I feel like if there was more character crossover within Phase 4 (Wong was great), the phase could have functioned better as the gap phase they wanted

@bigbody1719

Жыл бұрын

that’s exactly what it feels like

@henryferguson48

Жыл бұрын

Lol yes, after game content

@keltonhouse6400

Жыл бұрын

DLC

It’s almost as if a story should end

@rubennaudts3808

Жыл бұрын

As long as Disney can keep making money out of it, it won't though. Star Wars is well enough an example of that

@benjamin3658

Жыл бұрын

The mcu never ends. Marvel started back in 1939 and is still going. So why should the MCU stop?

@alfrzlbmsyh

Жыл бұрын

Stop overreacting lol. This is literally phase 1 with some Multiversal BS we know fxck about! Maybe it's a thing when you want to introduce and building up to Multiversal War by plotting every movie with its variance and stories for each. The downside is, yeah it's right, I feel they rush it too much. Secret Wars confirmed to be released in 3 years time like the hell? Excited for what's to come for them but it won't surprise me if they fail to fill in Infinity War's shoes.

@Derekscott_

Жыл бұрын

@@alfrzlbmsyh if they took it slow we would die before they release all the movies

@OneWingedRose

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, the story did end. The problem here is that they then didn't make a new one. We basically traded a longform story for an anthology book and, when the short stories in the anthology book are this hit or miss, it's just not worth investing the energy into it as an audience member.

As much as I miss Gravity Falls. I love the decision to actually just end the story instead of drag it out like Marvel is doing.

@orange_turtle3412

8 ай бұрын

As much as id love to see another season, I know damn well it could never hold a candle to the original show.

@phoenixmorphix

8 ай бұрын

Phineas and Ferb is coming back for 1-2 more seasons. I wonder how that will play out.

@NoahBrixProductions

8 ай бұрын

@@phoenixmorphix If it’s still Dan Povenmire and Jeff Marsh, it’ll probably still be good

@christopherbanks8562

8 ай бұрын

Marvel is dragging out anything.. they have 80+ years worth of content to work with. They only issue they have it they're worried more about quantity over quality now

@alyxlv8828

8 ай бұрын

I was devastated when I found there wasn’t gonna be a third season, but I agree. I wouldn’t want it to get so drawn out to the point where it’s more confusing and there’s too much going on

One of the main things that drew me in to the early movies is that they took themselves seriously. Whereas now every movie is trying to have all the same comedic relief that was in the original Iron Man movies, but that was what made THAT character good, not every character needs that. If they cut back 85% of comedic relief the new movies would be a lot better.

@lisalamba560

8 ай бұрын

I felt this especially when watching Thor:Ragnarok it made me cringe......

@eddiesmith7867

8 ай бұрын

Gotta reel in the normies

@victordavalos246

8 ай бұрын

@@lisalamba560right? It was supposed to be dark and the end of the city and their species and they threw a cringe joke every couple of minutes, it was so awful, love and thunder wasn’t much better either

@jasonnelson9141

3 ай бұрын

​@@victordavalos246Love and Thunder wasn't better at all. Ragnarok is a superior film

@wuphatlizar2541

Ай бұрын

@@jasonnelson9141yeah, ragnarok was the best of all the thor movies imo. idk what they yappin bout lmao

Phase 4 feels like an AI trying to continue a song beyond the ending

@HeavenlyRampage

Жыл бұрын

Wow, what an astute observation.

@AlexTTzer0

Жыл бұрын

Like continuing an open-world game just to get all the side-quests completed when you have already finished the main story.

@Methevas12

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been searching for the words to explain how I feel after end game for years and this is it

@fork9001

Жыл бұрын

If She-Hulk, dare I say, is MCU canon, that’s exactly what’s happening in universe

@kobekzn

Жыл бұрын

perfect analogy

Phase 4 feels like watching a filler episode on a tv show.

@ExeErdna

Жыл бұрын

It feels like a whole filler season until they finally willing to commit to some higher stakes.

@The104th_Wolf_Pack

Жыл бұрын

@@ExeErdna Just like everything Disney owns right now... I don't think any of them even know what their higher stakes are right now. It is just filler just to make money.

@purefoldnz3070

Жыл бұрын

nailed it. Feels like an episode you can skip

@justice_productions_

Жыл бұрын

But not every comic is like endgame. They need smaller scale stories. If you don’t like it just come Back when the stakes are higher.

@purefoldnz3070

Жыл бұрын

@@justice_productions_ smaller stories like the Eternals or Love and Blunder? These films are borderline unwatchable. Love and Blunder felt worse than an episode of Two Broke Girls minus the laugh track. Try watching The Boys instead it makes the MCU look like a joke in comparison.

Post endgame marvel is like having a justice league franchise without Superman or Batman

@austinnewport1316

21 күн бұрын

Dude you can literally do that is yiu actually have good writers. But sadly marvel or Warner Brothers would hire Mr corpo shill ball gargling suck up that only knows how to write based on prompts the company made a big book of.

@addyvalencia

17 күн бұрын

Best one-sentence summary tbh

My other issue with Phase 4 is the introduction of the multiverse. Where the Infinity Saga was so brilliant at weaving storylines together (all to the credit of the writers), now multiverses give the safety net of nostalgia and mulligans on story structure.

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

All while giving them the out of pulling a Crisis on Infinite Earths type multiverse collapse should it not work out without it breaking continuity.

@-chenlanying5818

Жыл бұрын

@@tjenadonn6158 1:53 what movie is this

@navonmyhand7999

8 ай бұрын

​@@-chenlanying5818The Dark Knight

@spiceydice6968

8 ай бұрын

​@@-chenlanying5818The Dark Knight, one of the best comic book movies of all time

@CH-hn2rj

8 ай бұрын

@@-chenlanying5818 One of the Batman movies

My two biggest gripes are: -Shoving jokes in every other line. Everyone tried to have the same snarky sense of humor as Joss Whedon, it's played out -They keep trying to end the world and it's lowered the stakes. Eternals, Moon Knight, Ms Marvel... no, they're not gonna end the world in a D+ show, or in the movie right after Endgame. Come on.

@carljohan9265

Жыл бұрын

Also Loki singlehandedly destroyed every movie and TV show in the MCU that came before it with it's "we maintain the sacred timeline" bullshit, because that one thing invalidates EVERYTHING that's happened up until now. Every single victory, defeat, sacrifice, hard choice and effort that all the characters have done was just some dude in his ivory tower deciding how things would go. Way to kill your entire cinematic universe's re-watchability in one fell swoop.

@putridfetidini5468

Жыл бұрын

One of my main gripes is: Taika Waititi.

@Tetrathegod

Жыл бұрын

No the issue is SJW .. and wannabe strong independent woman in movies

@phothewin6019

Жыл бұрын

These issues existed even before Endgame lol.

@phothewin6019

Жыл бұрын

@@carljohan9265 Speak for yourself lmao. I can easily enjoy rewatching classics like Iron Man 1. Just like how I can enjoy rewatching the original Star Wars Trilogy or Pre-Timeless Child Retcon Doctor Who.

I've never missed an MCU movie in my life... but then suddenly during Phase 4 I missed several. It was getting hard to keep up with shows and movies all while Disney was trying to sell me their product over and over and over again.

@FuntClaps101

Жыл бұрын

This.

@raymondamoroso2049

Жыл бұрын

Same here the 1st 3 phases were magic. I wish we could go back to that. Sadly I don't see it happening

@noseriouslyimserious4073

Жыл бұрын

If it was good content, I wouldn’t even mind. But I’m not spending money on political propaganda.

@shadowguy321

Жыл бұрын

Think of them like the comicbooks they bring to the screen. It is unrealistic to try to collect every single edition of a comic series unless you are extremely dedicated, have lots of money to spare, and are a hardcore fan. We're now at the point where you just grab the edition you think "oh that looks interesting, let's see," and leave it at that.

@speedyyy5181

Жыл бұрын

@@noseriouslyimserious4073 facts though. Thor, Dr strange, and a lot of these shows have woke crap and i hate it. I want to watch a show or movie to not think about the world you know?

I saw almost every single movie before Endgame, and I was so deeply satisfied with Endgame as an ending that I decided then and there that I wouldn't watch another. Every discussion I have seen since makes it seem like the right choice.

@kyra53

Жыл бұрын

literally same

@bubblegum2741

Жыл бұрын

I watched the first few series/movies after endgame and I was disappointed with every single one. After that I said I would only watch the things that genuinely interested me. Almost every piece of media seems disconnected or has major flaws that cannot be ignored. I think y’all made the best choice lmao

@thesenate1844

8 ай бұрын

They can't do anything except raise the stakes higher and higher. So where do they go after the entire universe is threatened? The multiverse of course, but it just doesnt hit the same now.

@anakin-is-panakin

8 ай бұрын

You’re missing out on skipping WandaVision. Very solid piece of storytelling with fantastic acting and the humor didn’t feel of place given the sitcom nature.

@kshitizmishra5154

8 ай бұрын

No Way Home is easily worth watching.

The MCU was propped up by the crazy chemistry and charisma of Robert Downey Jr, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansen and Mark Ruffalo. The new group don't mix well

@casperryborg4869

8 ай бұрын

Damn, letting Jeremy Renner out in the rain I see

@Maradala

29 күн бұрын

Definitely not Scarlett. Nothing more then eye candy since black widow was by far the least powerful member....Idc about the comic lore that idk about...just the movies....widow literally added 0 moments or care for me. Sorry if I'm lacking a heart for anyone reading.

@sirhellsing

23 күн бұрын

@@Maradala Hoenstly I kind of agree, I was mainly there for Ironman and Capt America, Thor (the character) was good, Hulk was good but less than thor and yea, that's all I really cared about. Nick Fury was also kind of interesting tbh, I will exclude SI, that is fanfic to my eyes (never watched it and never will)

In my head, I like to imagine a world where the MCU ended with Endgame

@joscar062

Жыл бұрын

To me it ended with Infinity War

@Jackleber

Жыл бұрын

That's the world I live in. I watched the newest Thor and that was it. It was pretty meh

@Abonniererfull

Жыл бұрын

same, didnt even touched the stuff after that

@johanvasquez4564

Жыл бұрын

Yeah i also think a lot of people got off the mcu train after endgame. It was nice closure for everyone that grew up watching the original 6 avengers. Natasha and tony die saving the universe, hulk is basically retired after losing an arm and hawkeye retires to live with his family, steve goes back in time to live the rest of his life with peggy, and Thor only one who is basically immortal overcame his depression after infinity war and is ready to move to a new chapter of his life after giving the title of queen of asgard to valkyrie and leaving with the guardians in search for a new chapter in his life. Its literally the best ending for everyone who has been following the mcu since its early years. All the ogs are either dead or retired and the world is safe knowing they left a new generation of heroes to replace them. All of these new mcu projects (i do mean all of them) feel rushed. unlike the 1 phase of the mcu, where even if some of the movies dragged a little they felt somewhat connected, ig its also because everything was happening on earth on a smaller scale.

@jacobaustin-sides2875

Жыл бұрын

It did

I just feel so exhausted from this phase that it has drove me to genuinely not care any more.

@brachypelmasmith

Жыл бұрын

exactly. and every now and then you find out there is another series or movie that fits into the story that came out and you missed it because of sheer volume of all the stuff

@CBCook

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Back when it was just 2-3 movies a year, there was enough space between each new release to give us a bit of a break and build anticipation for the next movie. This year there's been something new almost every month (I think, I haven't been keeping track).

@chrisnelson9972

Жыл бұрын

Ok. Ur problem

@ScoobyandShaggy5554

Жыл бұрын

Yes I agree, I’ll probably give some things a try but I most likely won’t finish every show or watch every movie unless I’m insanely bored and even then I’m discovering more movies than ever before that are much better

@chrisnelson9972

Жыл бұрын

@@ScoobyandShaggy5554 ur loss bud

In phase 4 the approach emphasis felt like it shifted from centering on "story craft" to "consumer product development" complete with "market segmentation" thinking.

I’ve always felt that Marvel Studios should’ve taken a long break after Endgame to just bask in what a massive accomplishment that was but also to really sit down and meticulously plan their next steps. I’ve found recent Marvel stuff to be entertaining but not having that sense of cohesion that the Infinity Saga had. Directionless fun is entertaining but directionless nonetheless. Also the amount of TV shows has hurt them in my eyes. I feel that WandaVision and Loki were bangers but everything else after that has been dull fun. This was a really solid video 🔥🔥🔥

@moonlightrobbery

17 күн бұрын

This honestly should be the standard. We could've gotten something cool.

My biggest problem is how the raising stakes make endgame seem almost irrelevant

@ordinaryguy6736

Жыл бұрын

I mean…thats comics in general

@Zawgsterington

Жыл бұрын

This comment deserves more likes

@Granglife

Жыл бұрын

I don't think there is anything inherently bad with having Higher stakes than Endgame But the problem is that there are multiple high stakes which only happen in one specific story and not felt on the others It's like they are separate worlds that have 0 connections with each other Making it feel more like a barrage of movies and stories instead of one sing Universe that all characters live in

@kylelowe137

Жыл бұрын

So dragon ball z?

@joebro391

Жыл бұрын

True. Phase 4 really should have been a time to ramp the stakes back down (kinda like in Falcon and Winter Soldier) before ramping them back up near the end of phase 4 and into phase 5 and 6.

Their movies went from mostly being action adventures with some comedy and comedic characters that fit their personality into every movie being a comedy with some action adventure, and every character trying to have a stand up routine in every scene

@john_smith_john

Жыл бұрын

Marvel's been like that since the original Avengers.

@willjackson5885

Жыл бұрын

That’s only Thor 4

@gileee

Жыл бұрын

@@john_smith_john They always had humor in their movies before, but I feel it's gotten worse since the release of Guardians of the Galaxy and then Deadpool. It's like they tried switching to full comedy and it worked so well (in the money department) all the movies now just have to be the same. Like they're all just part of an episodic series with just a bunch of forced jokes in between exposition and some colorful effects here and there.

@bowowoy803

Жыл бұрын

Its literally a FILLER

@Yonkage-ik5qb

Жыл бұрын

Thor Love & Thunder was so fucking absurd that the only way I could justify it being like that, was imagining that the entire thing was a movie of Korg telling us how things happened and embellishing it to the point of madness. It honestly felt like a complete parody of reality, like an Abridged Series of the real movie. I kept expecting the film to cut off and reveal a bunch of people sitting around a table with Korg, and then asking him if he was serious about Thor giving the kids his powers somehow and one of them wielding a goddamn lightning teddy bear. I was waiting for a punchline, but it never came.

I felt something very strongly when I watched Endgame, at the beginning of the credits where all the major cast members had their signatures show up (shades of Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country), that it really was The End. This was the end of the MCU. The greatest shared universe, beginning and ending with Tony Stark as Iron Man, the last truly epic filmmaking achievement of our lifetimes (possibly of cinema EVER), and now it was over. And it was fantastic. What a goddamn achievement. It felt like anything after that would just be beating a dead horse. Beating a zombie Doctor Strange, maybe. And you know what? Nothing I've seen since then has convinced me that I was wrong.

@davidstinger1134

Ай бұрын

"The greatest shared universe, beginning and ending with Tony Stark as Iron Man, the last truly epic filmmaking achievement of our lifetimes (possibly of cinema EVER)" Now lets not get over ourselves.

Discussion on Phase 4 shows feels incomplete without making comparisons to the MCU's prior shows such as Daredevil and what made those hit (or miss) when compared to say, She-Hulk

Trying to keep up with all the characters and plots has started to feel like homework.

@jesuschristiscallingyou953

Жыл бұрын

Exaactlyy!

@TH3sC0p3zz

Жыл бұрын

You’re just old

@jaybomb5638

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much lol

@NorthernLaw_

Жыл бұрын

Which is why I don't bother with things like Eternals, she hulk, or ms marvel and will continue to do so

@deivydasbaksa3324

Жыл бұрын

@@NorthernLaw_ ethernals is good

Disney tried to make Star Wars fit into the MCU mold, when it was Star Wars (particularly under George Lucas’ care) that had the more important lesson: take your time to craft the story of each episodic film and then take a necessary break in between trilogy sagas (it doesn’t always have to be a 10-16 year hiatus, but it’s painfully obvious when the creative team hasn’t taken a necessary sabbatical: “Somehow, Palpatine returned”).

@prettyaverage97

Жыл бұрын

Also, the MCU has been primarily created and envisioned like this from the beginning, something that can't be said for Star Wars. Many other movie studios have tried to apply the "MCU mold" to their properties and have failed tremendously at doing so. Even DC, a company that is of very similar nature to that of Marvel's, is still trying to understand how to make their cinematic universe work. Thing is, not everything needs to be a cinematic universe -- certainly not Star Wars.

@TekkLuthor

Жыл бұрын

Don't these writers have experts who know these universes on board?

@willistan3562

Жыл бұрын

@@TekkLuthor They do--but their comments don't mean jack when the directors/writers can do almost whatever they want. For better or worse, even Dave Filoni has retconned SW lore (some were even Disney canon) if he feels like self-inserting his own characters.

@rottensquid

Жыл бұрын

I don't agree. I think the lesson from both Star Wars and the MCU is "commit to new characters and new stories," a lesson it's incredibly hard to accept, when the shiny lure of beloved old characters dangles like the promise of gold. The theory is that fans love Star Wars and Marvel for the characters they know. But what made those characters great was the experience of being introduced to them, falling in love with them, and then seeing them reach a satisfying conclusion. When you bring them back, that satisfaction gets complicated. You're inevitably messing with what people liked about them. You have to, because if you don't, the characters become static. We love all these characters because we watched them become what they are. We don't necessarily want them to become something else. And we don't necessarily want complications to the story of how they became who they are. So I think what's dragging both Star Wars and the MCU down is the erroneous assumption that it's the specific characters that made it what it is, rather than the thrill of living in this magical world of potential. Star Wars suffers the most when it trots out beloved old characters and trues to resell them to us. It succeeds when it introduces new characters, From Finn, Rey, and Kylo to Din Jarin and What's-His-Name from this new Andor show people seem to love (haven't seen it yet, but I see the fan response whether I want to or not). It's when they try to repackage Boba Fett and Obi-Wan that they get bogged down. With the MCU, they can't seem to commit to new characters without trying to prop them up on old characters' shoulders, with diminishing results. Of course, the MCU also seems to have a cookie-cutter problem, demanding every character follow a formula rather then letting them tell their own story. You can see in every new Marvel film a strong character imprisoned in a rote plot that has little to do with who they actually are, and the kind of story they actually want to tell. Shang-Chi was great for the first seven minutes, and the final three, but in between, a long, tiresome, overdeveloped backstory hijacked the plot away from who the character actually is in the here and now, to tell the dull story of how he fits into the overstuffed, under-cooked mystical side of the Marvel universe. The problem with both, as I see it, is the problem of serving the universe instead of the story, trying to appeal to what fans responded to in the past rather than risk creating something new. It's a shame, because what built that fan base in the first place was creating something new. Movies aren't Coca-Cola. You can't sell the same one over and over again forever. You can't sell the new one entirely on what people liked about the last one. The more they do that, the less effective it is.

@willistan3562

Жыл бұрын

@@rottensquid Great points. I finished Cyberpunk: Edgerunners recently, and I think it's a perfect example of your points. I went into it not knowing one thing about its universe or preestablished lore (other than the relentless memes mocking 2077). Despite all that, Edgerunners's 10 episodes managed to make me connect and care more about its universe and (most of) the characters. Can't say the same for MCU Phase 4. I even grew up with the very start of the MCU and have read the comics from when I was a little kid. So many of the MCU characters feel like a version of diet Tony Stark. They don't feel like actual characters. Going to go the opposite direction, but Shang-Chi was the closest to hitting a home run for me. First 2/3 of it was going well, but I'm disappointed they decided to throw the boring demon, dragon, kaiju, whatever thing fight at the end. Felt like the creators didn't have the confidence to write a strong story between the conflict with the dad and son. And yeah, all the mysticism stuff felt pretty shoehorned in and bloated; probably would've worked out stronger if they decided to lean into it in the sequel.

The bus fight scene in Shang-Chi was easily the best part of that film and of 90% of Marvel content. I feel like the more I watch, the more I see them absolutely nail the first third of any story, then end it like they had a flight of tequila shots and red bull before writing the third act. Also, I didn't even know that stuff besides Loki and Wandavision had come out. I mean, I heard that it all existed at some point, but so much has come out all at once, I don't even remember it all. Best case scenario from this is if it all gets canceled right now and no new content is released, I have enough mediocre television for years.

This video hits even harder after Quantumania

Ive been saying since the end of Endgame, the MCU would struggle to fill the void left by Tony Stark and Steve Rogers. They were the bedrock of the MCU and you can feel that something big is missing.

@Kirasfox

Жыл бұрын

Its literally just phase 1 with introducing new characters and stories. Moving on from the old crew and building new worlds.

@zachg7356

Жыл бұрын

@@Kirasfox yeah, they are doing a shitty job at it. Thanks shehulk

@Robert_H_Diver

Жыл бұрын

@@Kirasfox it’s trash

@youngsterjones

Жыл бұрын

@@Kirasfox the phase 1 stories were better

@Cross42069

Жыл бұрын

@@Kirasfox As robert said It's trash

Doctor Who faced the same problem and has suffered for years. Once you have a universe-ending event every week, it gets tiring. We need low-key bad guys and less-severe stakes.

@darrengordon-hill

Жыл бұрын

"Local neighbourhood Spiderman" anyone?

@edvinstromberg9107

Жыл бұрын

Exctly, when every movie or show has a possible world ending event, it just makes you not care about it anymore.

@Fanon4k

Жыл бұрын

Thats true for so many series nowadays. the power scaling gets so ridiculous that you stop caring entirely

@thunderepical9941

10 ай бұрын

​@@darrengordon-hill couldn't remember the word "friendly"?

@Nitram4392

9 ай бұрын

Funnily enough this was also the reason to why my M&M ttrpg group decided to reset the universe.

I think the loss of Chawick Boseman really screwed up what they had planned. It was obvious that the "New Avengers" were going to be Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Spider-Man, and Doctor Strange but Chadwick's sudden death made everyone at Marvel have to rethink and restrategize where they wanted to go. It's why Phase 4 feels so disconnected because they're literally salvaging their original plans

@Marshall1q.

8 ай бұрын

Wasn't shangchi invited to the avengers? they could've based that one scene for the next movie

@mjmoffatt6097

8 ай бұрын

Why'd you say it like he could've changed what happened to him

@ionaskualexander1255

8 ай бұрын

u really think the death of a black dude screwed the plans of multi-billion dollar franchise. People are coming for the character Black Panther not the actor.

@jayDee92133

8 ай бұрын

​@@ionaskualexander1255 "Death of a black dude"....He couldn't just be a dude it's sounds like you wanted to say something else besides black...

@jayDee92133

8 ай бұрын

I can see that I know a lot of people in my community that loved Wakonda Forever but will admit it just wasn't the same without Chadwick hell some day they aren't interested in marvel until the next black panther movie.

Ironically, the release of the moneyball book and subsequent movie got almost every other team in the mlb to use its strategies as a status quo. Ever since, the A’s have been a laughing stock team once again, and I think that’s a pretty telling part of the analogy you used it for

From high school to college to adult life, I really enjoyed everything up until endgame. It felt like the end of the wait I had as a child. Everything else now isn’t a question I wanted answered 😂

@jamesmoore7858

Жыл бұрын

"Everything else now isn't a question I wanted answered." This sums up my point entirely. Well said.

@fusion_42

Жыл бұрын

I feel ya

@dnchsjrgn9622

Жыл бұрын

Because it literally was the end of the Infinity Saga. The phase4 is not suppose to lick your phase 1 to 3 wounds.

@mita2905

Жыл бұрын

Ahhh yes like the confirmation that Steve didn't die a virgin...when we all saw him go back to Peggy

@LL-hc3zm

Жыл бұрын

Everything woke turns to crap

Keeping up with the MCU is starting to feel like a job, but I'm paying to do it. The moment you start to fall behind it's overwhelming to catch back up. I haven't seen many of the very newest shows or movies, and I'm not sure if I'll ever find the time

@themoshpit8341

Жыл бұрын

It's like trying to catch up to anime or any long ass show. Feels like a chore

@laynewarner937

Жыл бұрын

Just read a synopsis on a show. It takes 5 minutes max. Im fully caught up and haven’t watched 90% of phase 4.

@grandmacookies

Жыл бұрын

Same here, if feels like a never ending job.

@isamuddin1

Жыл бұрын

Just let it go man...

@redemptionlibera9758

Жыл бұрын

Just watch the last episode of she hulk season 1 (of 1) and that’s all u need baby 😂😂😂

This is my first time stumbling upon one of your videos and I have to say, this was a wonderfully crafted list and you really nail down each individual point. Very impressive. I'll be tuning in again.

I saw one comment that said "Phase 4 feels like finishing disconnected side-quests after completing the main story." 👌

The problem with introducing already existing characters in phase 4 is they now always have to explain where tf they were when Thanos wiped out half the universe. It’s one of my big problems with The Eternals. So when they realized that the planets they are “helping” actually get destroyed and then they get their memory erased, suddenly they feel bad. But when Thanos wiped everyone out and the celestials told the eternals don’t get involved they were like “oh ok”.

@Gum_Cuzzler

Жыл бұрын

I think that’s why they’re coming in with all this multiverse stuff. So they have a plausible reason why Professor X and Dr Doom haven’t been affecting the universe for the past decade. Honestly, I’m not crazy about going this route. It seems like pure fan service to just bring fully developed fan favourite characters into the MCU with a handwave.

@TheCatsMe00w

Жыл бұрын

This. I'm really over hearing about the blip and having 10-15 minutes taken to re-explain it to the audience

@time2play961

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I guess, phase 4 is introducing new characters while trying to connect them to the previous movies?

@brianburkhardt3692

Жыл бұрын

This is explained in Eternals though: Thanos actually had a pretty big impact by giving Earth MORE time before hatching it’s Celestial, but that ultimately since the Eternals goal is just to ensure a Celestial hatches from its planet, Thanos doing something that postpones but does nothing to stop that cycle doesn’t actually effect them that much.

@benjamin3658

Жыл бұрын

Tbh how much time would they even have to react? The entirety of Infinity War took place in a day and it took them like a week just to collect all of the eternals. They didnt know he was coming. The didnt know anything. I just wrote it off to the being suprised and not even able to reactas a team

My biggest problem is that there’s just too much of it. It used to be maybe we’d get 2-3 movies a year and that was it. That’s easy to follow. Plus, Agents of SHIELD eventually became its own fun thing with the movies in the background. But 3-4 movies and 6 shows all in a year? Yeah it’s too much. Maybe have 3 movies and 2 shows a year. That’s so much easier to deal with and would prevent the burnout we’re all experiencing.

@jonathaningram8157

Жыл бұрын

I would much prefer more spaced movies but with good quality (and good cgi, which we lost). I hate that whole series thing. I hate watching series in general because it almost always end up being terrible.

@matthewmspace

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathaningram8157 Honestly, I kind of agree. But maybe have a movie in February, May, and November with a show starting in June that ends in July and then another show in September that ends in October. That would be much more manageable. Three movies decently far apart from each other and the shows taking up the late summer-early fall mantle.

@leftory684

Жыл бұрын

This only happened due to the pandemic. All the projects slated for 2020 came out in 2021, and some slated for 2021 came out in 2022. So 2021 actually had two years worth of content, which wasn't originally planned. In 2022 we got 3 movies and 3 series, and it will probably continue to be like that or even less in the following years.

@masamune2984

Жыл бұрын

3 movies and two shows sounds like a great balance.

@matthewmspace

Жыл бұрын

@@masamune2984 It would also not put near as much stress on the poor CGI artists. Much less work on them too.

I think marvel is overstaying their welcome now. If they needed a phase after endgame to close stories that’s fine but now it’d waaaay to much.

The biggest issue with the tv shows is really the exclusivity to disney plus. A big proponent to netflixs declining users is the fact we replaced cable with like 15 different apps, like disney plus and hulu. We can’t afford 15 different apps to watch shows.

@thor.halsli

8 ай бұрын

Torrents my friend

what strikes me as odd is.. phase 3 already felt like it was introducing the new generation but then phase 4 has been introducing an even NEWER generation; multiple new generations and teams.. and we're just holding out and waiting for those teams to form those young avengers won't be so young anymore by the time they put that team together lol

@rottensquid

Жыл бұрын

I feel like the first wave of films were 95% story and 5% set-up for future stories. So the set-up was extra exciting because it was so sparse, and people talked about it as much as the stories. The problem is, the set-up part of these movies isn't actually the content, it's just the promise of content. in tiny doses, it's wonderful. But when producers think we're more interested in set-up than story, the promise of the next story begins to replace the content of this one. It's like if every cereal box contained an empty cereal bowl, with an add at the bottom telling us about the next exciting marshmallow flavor sensation I can one day eat out of it. That's fun, except I just payed the same price for half the cereal and promotion for the next cereal, which I many not even be interested in.

@samuraipizzacat5586

Жыл бұрын

i disagree..they're building the premise to introduce everything all at once.

@xnortheast1106

Жыл бұрын

@@samuraipizzacat5586 no

@tyleremery7088

Жыл бұрын

@@rottensquid Agreed. It was more focused on the story at hand, while laying a foundation little by little for future projects. Now it feels like mostly setup and very little payoff so far.

@samuraipizzacat5586

Жыл бұрын

@@xnortheast1106 bet

I drew the line at Endgame. I’ve even found myself doing the unthinkable and missing numerous Phase 4 films and am not invested in their characters any where near as much as pre Endgame Marvel films.

@ScarletVoodoo

Жыл бұрын

Same. I've skipped on several of the Disney+ shows and have no intention on seeing them. There doesn't seem to be any cohesive and well thought plan for the MCU like everything pre-Endgame. It all feels very much like a greedy cash-grab to pump out as much content as possible with very little reverence for the source material or telling quality stories. Sad.

@apostolostvable

Жыл бұрын

I also stopped after Endgame, which itself was very flawed. Too much, too big, too many moving parts. It's the problem with the source material, comics. It's hard to tell a continuous story with tight continuity when you keep expanding the list of characters, worlds, stories, timelines, etc.

@ScarletVoodoo

Жыл бұрын

@@apostolostvable I also felt that Endgame was very flawed and oddly rushed. They had been planning it for years and it seemed like they still couldn't quite figure out how to make the time travel thing make sense and not be full of plot holes. Peggy Carter suddenly being Steve's reason for being felt weird too. Makes me think the original draft had him dying like Tony and they took a left turn suddenly and needed a way to retire the character without killing him and just inserted Peggy back in. It was odd to me.

@daniel-johnson_dam

Жыл бұрын

I agree but spider man no way home was still very good

@obscure.reference

Жыл бұрын

@@ScarletVoodoo it’s not that they couldn’t figure out how to make time travel work, it’s that time travel was like the only thing that could undo the stakes of infinity war and they found a way to make that into a clip show to bait fans

Imo the biggest thing for me is the characters. Are these new characters going to be something im interested in teaming up in the future or want to see the future. Like remember how hype we were in the first avengers movie or when thor met the guardians. Will that same hype be met. I know there is a rumor floating around that the possible new lineup is sam wilson, shuri, she hulk, ant man, shang chi, and captain marvel. Maybe seeing their chemistry together might change my mind but right now the original 6 are still gets me more exicited.

I don't usually sit down to watch videos like this, but I must say this video was awesome. I watched the entire thing, I truly enjoyed your take on the MCU

Endgame was the ending and Far From Home & No Way Home was the after credits scene as far as I'm concerned.

@bro-be3bd

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I consider No Way Home to be Phase 3, lol.

@ieat10kittens94

Жыл бұрын

@@bro-be3bd because it was actually good?

@seditt5146

Жыл бұрын

@@ieat10kittens94 it was ready written out, just like pretty much the whole of the MCU for phase 3 Before this SJW nonsense destroyed cinema. Hollywood is just detached from reality and looked to Twitter for ideas thinking that was the actual direction culture was going when in reality people were tired of the behaviors on display at Twitter. So much so that the richest redditor of them all bought it just to shut that shit down.

@fort809

Жыл бұрын

@@ieat10kittens94 lol that’s a good way of putting it. It wasn’t a terrible movie so it can’t be phase 4

@lostsoul3089

Жыл бұрын

FFF was a lame epilogue, and NWH was totally unnecesary (if you consider that Endgame was the true ending)

Didn't know it, but I watched to hear this line: "Without that discussion, these projects stop being stories that impact culture, and instead become … content-a momentary distraction before ushering the audience along to the next attraction." Brilliant and necessary POV on not just the MCU but "content" in general.

@za9883

Жыл бұрын

Yep that line was exactly it

@keepingcompany8196

7 ай бұрын

I mean you can tell it's just "content" when you see how many bad jokes they throw in the movies now.

Some of the shows don’t feel like setups for anything in the future, like at all. Aside from wandavision, They feel like self contained stories just meant to try and make the studio money and nothing more.

thank you for validating the disappointment I’ve felt for so long but not been able to put into words!

Using moneyball as a way to explain marvelball was genius and incredibly well written/spoken.

@carloscortes1577

Жыл бұрын

Here to comment this. Brilliant.

@SchmergDergen

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. That part was more well written than anything in farce 4.

@maxanderson3733

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it was depressing but incredibly effective

@ryan1993ish

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that was actually pretty good and I like that

@spongebobsquarepants2981

Жыл бұрын

@@carloscortes1577 ok

You bring up something that I've sincerely been annoyed by, and it's the fact that it feels like Phase 4 wasn't planned. It feels like they intentionally plotted out everything up to phase 3 and realized they were making so much money that there was no way they could stop. Except now things are being whipped off the cuff while they try and figure out how it's all going to come together.

@azathothdemonsultan3595

Жыл бұрын

Did you know “Dr Strange Multiverse”was supposed to come out before “Spiderman No way Home”? That’s the reason the movie feels slightly off in regards to plot points. COVID threw everything for a loop but Marvel couldn’t adapt tbh.

@dredwick

Жыл бұрын

Nothing is going to "come together". They can't bring all this crap together because it would be utter sht.

@RoyMatzem

Жыл бұрын

Thats it, they dont wanna spend time planning everything anymore, if anything goes wrong, they will use multiverse as excuse to undo

@tableswithoutchairs1168

Жыл бұрын

Disney bought it

@Narshe311

Жыл бұрын

@@tableswithoutchairs1168 in 2009

The problem I have with phase 4 and phase 0 is that it’s too much of a potpourri of characters that they are trying or gel together and at the same time, trying to get us to forget the past character(some of which never developed, Iron-Lad)

You just explained my feelings perfectly thank you, Love your content

The problem with the current state of the MCU is that it has become a convulated self-aware satient being. The She-Hulk finale is a testament to that. Instead of writing compelling and well connected stories, the MCU has become a conduit of fan service with social comentaries, cameos and breaking the fourth wall anticts. The strength of the MCU was in the interconnection of stories and characters, not characters mentioning other characters. Actually the Loki finale was great and the consequences should have been felt in the movies that followed after. Spiderman breaking the multiverse should have been the result of Loki's actions. Dr Strange into the Multiverse of Madness should have been as a result of Spiderman's actions. Wanda should have been manipulated by a Kang variant to cause shenanigans all over the multiverse. The Gods in Moonknight should have imprisoned a Kang Variant Rama-Tut. Gorr The God Butcher should have killed a lot of gods including many from the pantheon of Gods in Moonkight setting a Kang variant Rama-Tut free and causing Bastet the panther god into exile. This weakens the strength of Wakanda and T'challa dies, then the events of Wakanda Forever play out. These events do not even need to be on the screen they can just play out in the background and ateast show that there is a direction and connection going forward to Avengers Kang Dynasty. You will have multiple Kangs roaming the Multiverse and no one knows which Kang or Kangs pop-up in Antman Quantumania. Instead the MCU has a lot of different stories with loose ends and end credits scenes that will be explained by a random person in an MCU TV show as a by-the-way comment rendering the whole scene obsolete.

@jamesmoore7858

Жыл бұрын

YES

@marius__thiel6035

Жыл бұрын

damn. they should had hire you to write the next mcu phase. the way you describe in few sentences how all of the stories could built up on each other makes more sence than what we have right now

@Gamefinity101

Жыл бұрын

Although I enjoyed all the phase 4 content, I would KILL to see them do this direction instead

@YouScareMe1

Жыл бұрын

Fucking conservatives.

@yadielmercedes3635

Жыл бұрын

This comment is underatter, bro you just wrote a whole a whole story. Idk how much time you spend writing this but I can tell you put a lot of time and thought and your are one hella of a creative and visionary peroson

in a normal world endgame would have been the END, but we knew that was never going to happen

@aspacelex

Жыл бұрын

This is such a dumb talking point, should the comics have ended after the first big event.

@cartmanofsp

Жыл бұрын

@@aspacelex surely comic books are consumed differently though and appeal to a less broad audience

@jonathaningram8157

Жыл бұрын

you gotta milk the cow until everyone end up hating it.

@AdzzieMac

Жыл бұрын

It would have been a perfect ending but I don't agree, I think what they should have done was not release anything new unless it was up to the standard of Phase 3.

@lyricsassam

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad that world isn't this one. Imagine a world without the brilliant planning and storytelling of MCU. Such a loss.

I used to be able to name every character in the mcu, I can confidently say that I can barely name a handful of the new characters introduced in phase 4

Black widow said it best in age of Ultron “all things come to an end, even the avengers”😢

I always felt like they should have stopped or at least take a considerable break after 'Endgame'. That was such an impressive end, but, they didn't even let it breathe.

@JaviBee

Жыл бұрын

yeah, covid also was kind of perfect timing for this. if they had waited a couple or even a few years to release everything that takes place afterward, it would have left people wanting for more of that familiar marvel consistency, instead of feeling smothered. a longer pause would have also let them develop phase 4 stories more, i think they could have tried to fix a lot of the problems if they wanted to but instead chose to fall back on the reliability of loyal fans and such

@AFO_AnalyRics

Жыл бұрын

@@JaviBee Exactly.

@Lovemetender757

Жыл бұрын

Because it’s not the end. Steve Rogers and Tony stark are NOT the base of marvel. Get the fuck over it

@AFO_AnalyRics

Жыл бұрын

@@Lovemetender757 You dropped your napkin.

@antiseth3964

Жыл бұрын

Yup. That’s exactly how I feel. It peaked at Endgame, but rather than let the achievement stand on its own for a half minute, they felt like they had to drown us in a litany of mediocre Phase 4 content in this seemingly desperate attempt to keep the momentum going. That’s why at the end of the day I decided to buy the infinity saga box set. Yeah, it was a lot of money, but to me at least it was worth investing in it as the MCU that I want to remember.

I think another thing about keeping stories all set to come together is it helps audiences keep track of what's going on. Between all the shows and movies, I can't remember much about stakes, villains, or even some entire characters. Besides, it feels like the shows don't matter - Wandavision was about her grief hurting others, and she realized that was wrong. She decided to deal with it in a healthier way. Multiverse of Madness - screw all that, now she doesn't care who dies

@unluckygamer692

Жыл бұрын

Yup, all continuity is just out of the window. That goes for character motivations, just like you said, but also for power levels. One movie they are fighting intergalactic threats, then in the next movie they struggle with some random local villains... makes no sense.

@lluewhyn

Жыл бұрын

When watching MoM, I thought "This makes almost no sense if you haven't watched WandaVision. But if you HAVE watched WandaVision, it repeats the same story in a more cartoonish and less nuanced way." Wanda's villainous (although restrained) acts in WandaVision due to her grief for Vision made sense, while her mass-murdering people to have extra health insurance for a couple of kids that just popped into existence seemed over the top to me.

@brianburkhardt3692

Жыл бұрын

Lmao, *did* you watch WV? It ends with her reading the Dark Hold in search of her kids. She absolutely does *not* choose a healthy way of dealing. She is literally forced to let down the hex and then flees into isolation. Not healthy at all.

@azathothdemonsultan3595

Жыл бұрын

@@brianburkhardt3692 This is exactly the point. Not everyone watched WV. How were we supposed to know that and watch an actual film having that in mind? Like he mentioned, it’s a lack of cohesion.

@brianburkhardt3692

Жыл бұрын

@@azathothdemonsultan3595 feels like a comics holdover to me. There were always story arcs in comics that crossed over multiple publications (like, say, a villain built up in a X-Men related comic that then faces the Avengers in full form) and if you wanted the full story you’d have to read comics you normally wouldn’t or just get enough context sticking with your usual comics to get most of the plot. I didn’t love every D+ show, but I watched all of them because I’ll know they’ll at least tangentially relate to future films.

My favorite Marvel project since EndGame has been Guardians Of The Galaxy 3 - great bit of story telling!

This is so interesting to me as someone who only started the MCU after endgame. I also don’t like a lot in phase 4 but I also didn’t get to experience the big phase 3 movies with the fandom. I still really enjoyed it, but I feel like I missed out.

@labyrinth123

Жыл бұрын

same

@westfieldcom3839

8 ай бұрын

Now people will say whatever But phase 3 is always remain best What ahype for avengers Infinity War and endgame

Okay no one else is really saying it but the way you compared the MCU too MoneyBall was really clever. I’m gonna subscribe just for how well put together this video is.

@gabe2829

Жыл бұрын

He got you too lol

@ColeTrainPhenomenalcrew

Жыл бұрын

Me too! I’m definitely subbing and watching the other videos.

@TheScarletSlayer

Жыл бұрын

*one week later* ...oh I get it! Because money

@bobbywrtm

Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile Phase 4 feels like Brooklyn Nets at the moment LOL No cohesion whatsoever

@maxxpower3d6

Жыл бұрын

If Marvel was the '02 A's, DC is the '22 Angels- constantly tripping over itself and wasting the careers of two Hall of Fame players.

One of the core problems is also definitely that they lost their two keypieces, which they failed to replace.

@igorporfiirio4915

Жыл бұрын

Dr. strange seemed so promising but has been so disappointing in this phase. If his character had been well used he could be a good keypiece for this phase

@joerileijdsman3279

Жыл бұрын

@@igorporfiirio4915 True, I thought his character could also carry the franchise like Iron man or Captain America. He definetly has the charisma. Not so sure why it doenst work. Maybe he works best as (extremely cool) sidekick character that shows up once in a while. Maybe hes abit too stoic or overpowered dunno.

@patrickthegamer7142

Жыл бұрын

@@joerileijdsman3279 ii jus think they don’t do enough with him. His powers in Infinity War were really cool but in his newest movie he really only does 3 things. The music scene was kinda cool, thats it really

@Deicide777

Жыл бұрын

@@joerileijdsman3279 the problem with him is that he doesnt take the lead. Iron man and Captain America took the initiative in being a leader they competed with each other as rival leaders, but also friends and allies as seen in Avengers and Civil war. They had greatly differing ideas on how to handle things, but had matching charisma so the audience grew attached to both of them. but Strange doesnt do that. He “mysteriously” does fuck-all before spider man or thor solves the problem for him. He “strangely” lacks a personality outside of freaky wizard magic. He has been very underdeveloped since infinity war.

@daylite34

Жыл бұрын

@@joerileijdsman3279 I think this hits the nail on the head. Even in the comics, Strange was never the "hero" character. He was always the cool mysterious guy who the actual hero calls up to help. And I think that's how he shines best.

You've done a great job of articulating my concerns. Phase 4 is like watching the DVD extras.

So true about the heroes only sticking to the conflicts created in their stories. It feels like marvel makes a whole story around a villain only for that villain to be destroyed or killed in the end

Phase 1-3 I watched most films on opening night, the characters they created felt special and they gave us reasons to care for them. Now a days there's just too much going on. They pump out more and more stories and characters and don't give them the time to develop or for us to form a connection with. Those connections are the reasons that made Tony's death so painful, its what made Steve's Endgame scene so powerful to us as the viewers. They need to slow down and let us develop these connections to the new characters and the new stories that they want to tell.

@itsyezterday6350

Жыл бұрын

I feel like phase four took a DC approach to things

@vispiralgamingiv8462

Жыл бұрын

WRONG, these characters have only had 1 movie as they were introductions, all phase 1 characters the og had SEVERAL MOVIES TO get introduced and get development for 3 whole phases and lastly Kang is the villain of this as we going towards cosmic entities and everything around this as phase 5 will definitely be mutants as soon as their contracts end in 2025

@supermelonbread

Жыл бұрын

@@vispiralgamingiv8462 no. Civil war introduced spiderman and black panther. Ant-man only had a single movie before the team up as did vision and Wanda. No one felt it was jarring when watching civil war. The amount of times you see the characters isn’t the problem. The problem is that these shows and movies just aren’t very good. The quantity has gone up but the writing for these stories has gone down. I watched the first 3 shows and haven’t bothered with anymore except spiderman and shangchi. The content is just bad. Audience retention is hanging on by a thread because they’re waiting for end game magic to happen again. People don’t wanna watch 10 mediocre shows to know what all the characters are up to

@kai-gg2ip

Жыл бұрын

@@vispiralgamingiv8462 WRONG

@williammoore8006

Жыл бұрын

@@supermelonbread The connection people have to iron man, Thor, and captain America is a lot stronger than ant man, spiderman, or black panther. Why? Because they had movies detailing their backgrounds, which is exactly what the guy was saying. You can't use the characters you are trying to use to prove your point, they are the exceptions. They are the ones people don't graduate towards. Spiderman is a weird one, however. He has many movies prior to the team up, just with different actors and a different studio. So, some people really connect with him while some don't.

I actually thought Endgame struggled and the big fight at the end bumped it up alot, the MCU peaked at infinity war for me

@ramonmabry

Жыл бұрын

Underrated comment, endgame was emotionally the movie we’ve all been waiting for and a cry because we knew it was no good ending. But as far as plot, movie & overall masterpiece Infinity War is the best movie made this century.

@oscaraltman8122

Жыл бұрын

@@ramonmabry Oh man. Infinity War is a great superhero movie. It is not the best movie made this century, it’s not even the best movie released in 2018. 😂

@yes-gs2rd

Жыл бұрын

@@ramonmabry Best movie made this century? I just gagged in my mouth reading that. Wow. Can't expect too much from a marvel fan though.

@cowtowncaptain7649

Жыл бұрын

@@oscaraltman8122 gotta agree with this, you had Hereditary and Annihilation to contend with. Honestly I love Infinity War, but Vice takes the win for me.

@oscaraltman8122

Жыл бұрын

@@cowtowncaptain7649 Have you seen The Ballad of Buster Scruggs? Amazing western anthology from 2018 with the incredibly talented Tim Blake Nelson, check it out!

Really enjoyed this vid, but the surprise at the end of Loki was an example of that trope done really well IMO. He Who Remains isn't the same character as Kang and thus it felt like it landed the triple axel with what they resolved in the Loki story and set up what is to come for the future of the MCU, where as most everything else had big misses much earlier in their runs from oddly transparent rewrites and maybe the impatience you mentioned. It's gotten to the point of painfully low expectations though with all the output from Disney + save from Andor and to a lesser extent Ms. Marvel (it's sins seem far more forgivable somehow?). Even at the movie theater, where for some reason I think we're pretty forgiving, the House of Mouse is slipping and I am hoping that there is a real trickle down effect with their swap back to better days in the CEO territory. Cheers!

it would have been interesting to see how they all link together by now. At least a common motif of the big threat, perhaps the TVA or the celestials but as this video said, there is just is no clear links beween each of the character stories

The lack of cohesive storylines hit the nail right on the proverbial infinity stones. It feels like they stepped over their own feet in order to try and tell too many isolated narratives with too many different hands passing over them. Btw, the editing on this was top shelf. 👌

@Hatterway

Жыл бұрын

it’s literally phase 1 just more characters for development and bringing in new ones and taking away the old ones

@TexasIronLegend

Жыл бұрын

@@Hatterway But at least the phase 1 films had their own coherent endings to keep us satisfied during the wait for the ultimate event. The incompatible tone and quality of the phase 4 films will make the ultimate event less impactful because it won't be as natural as Infinity War. Also, we haven't really seen true character development in these shows. They get introduced to us in their ultimate state almost immediately, or they start off undeveloped and then abruptly become fully developed (very little time for them to transform).

@accuser_of_the_brethren7816

Жыл бұрын

@@TexasIronLegend I agree 💯 Starting them off as one step away from an avenger/superhero is so underwhelming because we don't really see the development (like you mentioned) of a real character arc but instead, they either start off close or they go from a normal person to a superhero in a single episode. Well said.

Really wish Marvel had taken a well earned rest after Endgame or Far From Home. The virus seems like a nice built in excuse to back off for a year or so and just let it breathe. It's just become exhausting trying to follow all the shows and movies now and the compressed release schedule has a lot to do with that. One of the problems that didn't get mentioned in this otherwise excellent video is the meshing of TV continuity with the films' continuity. In the past Marvel TV and Marvel Studios kept things apart from each other. Agents of Shield and Agent Carter didn't really factor into the movies. Now we have the new big bad introduced in a TV show and he'll be moving into the films. And if you didn't watch WandaVision you'd be confused as to why she was all of a sudden evil and trying to find her children (of which she has none) in Multiverse of Madness. It's not right for the more casual fans who are into the films but don't care to watch all the D+ shows or just don't have the time to.

@semicolon.advocate

Жыл бұрын

agreed

@chillaxTF

Жыл бұрын

Pandemic was the opportunity of a lifetime for pushing content to people online. That's why we got the influx of awful shows like Ms Marvel, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, etc. It's all a cash grab orchestrated to please the shareholders of the megacorps.

@Kwint.

Жыл бұрын

@@chillaxTFcouldnt agree more

@rodrigopfs

Жыл бұрын

That's basically it. They threw away their fandom. People that were okay and liked watching their movies twice a year, couldn't give less of a shit to these tv shows and now these people feel lost in the stories told in the movies and discouraged to even watch them.

@JarthenGreenmeadow

Жыл бұрын

@@rodrigopfs Its just overwhelming. I feel like I'd have to make it a full time job to get caught up at this point and frankly, I dont care.

When I finished The Infinity Saga, I remembered every single thing that happened in each movie. When I finished The Multiverse Saga, I couldn’t remember a thing.

I feel like people are overlooking how it took them three phases to build up to endgame. We’re in the first phase of the multiverse saga. I can agree that phase 4 didn’t have it’s own “it all came together” moment but I think it’s silly to assume they aren’t all building towards another endgame. It feels disjointed now because we haven’t seen the end yet. Or at least I hope that’s the case.

I’m still mad at the ending of The Eternals. They revealed of the unimaginable size of a celestial and how insignificant earth is in comparison to them, and all it did was fetch the Eternals and leave. Not a single mention afterwards of it, or the massive statue that appeared in the middle of the ocean, even though an event like that would be world changing. Such a cool reveal with so many implications and possible characters reactions wasted on literally nothing

@kbreezy1581

Жыл бұрын

That's the problem with a lot of phase 4. There are a lot of major events happening but none of them feel like they have any lasting impact on the overall narrative, and it's not like you can say it's because they just want to be their own thing because these next phases of films hav been marketed as the multiverse saga

@cristallaconcierge

Жыл бұрын

100%

@changedcj007

Жыл бұрын

@@kbreezy1581 kang.

@kintsugikame

Жыл бұрын

@@kbreezy1581 half the universe was snapped out and snapped back into existence, superhumans and aliens and gods and magic were all revealed to exist, I don’t think a giant celestial would cause as much panic in their world as you think it would. especially since he didn’t really do anything and just disappeared shortly after.

@CliffordBoom

Жыл бұрын

The ending of Moon Knight had the entire world getting slaughtered by an Egyptian deity judging humanity for future crimes and no one cared. Not a single reference to this event after Moon Knight at all. How tf is that even possible?

I've said this numerous times now: *_No Way Home_* is gonna end up being the only Phase 4 movie that's gonna be rewatchable for generations to come.

@yudhabagaskara98

Жыл бұрын

It's distributed by Sony, so it's sort of doesn't count

@giothemolester6

Жыл бұрын

Have you not seen shang chi? Even dr strange is rewatchable it gets way better when you rewatch it

@tj2375

Жыл бұрын

I doubt it. It's a product of hype. People were hyped to see every actor that played spiderman together. If you re watched it now you will realize how empty and contradictory the story is. It's quite bad.

@ravenwhiteduck6460

Жыл бұрын

Not really, that one makes bank off of nostalgia more then anything which in itself is telling

@dinodonut5776

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think so. It wasn’t terrible but the only reason it got so much hype and fan attention is because of nostalgia for the other spiderman actors. In twenty years, no one is going to care at all about that. Nostalgia is a horrible way to try and improve a story.

This is a fantastically well made video! You just earned a new subscriber.

Something I always thought of. Those you were in an airplane during the blip, came back in the AIR and fell to their death 5 years later.

This is what I explained to my friends lmao, the avengers are pretty much gone, and they’re just tossing all these new characters and issues at us with minimal crossover making one big mess for the average fan to follow through, personally I’m just waiting for the midnight suns or at the very least a ghost rider to appear

@bertmanstew5598

Жыл бұрын

Do you remember what phase 2 and 3 were actually like? Constantly every movie everyone was wondering where the other hero’s are and why they aren’t interacting, the nostalgia goggles for the first 3 phases is insane to me

@daveonturner8438

Жыл бұрын

@@bertmanstew5598 Omfg finally someone with some sense I agree wholeheartedly with you. It's all going to make sense in Phases 5&6.

@Elzzaw

Жыл бұрын

They brought the whole Marvel universe together for two movies to fight bad guys and then suddenly no-one talks to each other ever again. Infinity War and Endgame should have been the new formula. No more single hero movies while the entire world/universe is going to be annihilated. I get the super heroes have their own charms but they translated perfectly in the group dynamic movies. Sure give them a single movie to establish the character if you want, but from there introduce them to the actual world, not their own little bubble that nobody else is allowed to enter. I was really disappointed that we didn't have a proper Guardians + Thor movie.

@SolarTxl

Жыл бұрын

@@bertmanstew5598 I was writing a literal essay for this, how everything should be making sense now... until I remembered that the Marvel movies were released in disorder and there where numerous big problems and every other hero just didn't seem to care. If we wait maybe everything will make sense.

@kintsugikame

Жыл бұрын

@@SolarTxl also people complain about the quality going downhill when it’s always been mostly mid, a couple garbage movies, and a few that shined. Civil War came out around the same time as Thor 2 and Iron Man 2/3, Antman 2 and Captain Marvel came out around the same time as Infinity War and Endgame, etc.

My main two problems with the MCU nowadays are that it feels bloated and that everything had built up to Endgame. That’s what I had invested my time into. I feel what they managed to pull off with the infinity saga just can’t be replicated.

@lyricsassam

Жыл бұрын

Let's hope they can atleast mimic some of its success with the introduction of Mutants, Fantastic 4 and Doctor Doom

@josuafraser4865

Жыл бұрын

It’s like none of u saw the phase 5 line up. Phase 6 alone is gonna shit on endgame and infinity war and phase 1,2&3 combined.

@NeutralFate

Жыл бұрын

@@josuafraser4865 Yeah? At the rate they're going I wouldn't be surprised if it was mostly mid.

@arjunpemmasani9503

Жыл бұрын

@@josuafraser4865 they can have a great line up and still have meh / bad movies, which has been most phase 4 content so far (imo moon knight was the only thing that felt just as good as pre phase 4)

@sidekic1109

Жыл бұрын

@@NeutralFate at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if most people stopped watching

what I think would have liked to see is heroes helping out during the blip. Ordinary people, or not ordinary people, helping keep the world together.

I hope faze 5 will have more compelling and we'll put together stories/films. As long as they work well with each other in the same universe, and they give time and effort to push the boundaries of film, it should be great

Surprise villains can be fine, but in my opinion, the pay off with them is never the surprise, but having a moment where everything "clicks". Where a lot of things make sense in hindsight, or the satisfaction of recognizing the build up and seeing your observations recognized with a correct guess

@johnfulcher8448

Жыл бұрын

Anyone else getting MCU burnout?

@xendordawnburst9969

Жыл бұрын

@@johnfulcher8448 I'm not sure if we should call it "MCU burnout" or "MCU crash!" Everything was building up to the finale, the Endgame, where everything was heading and the hype was real! Suddenly we're in a situation where everyone is following their own story, and whenever something big happens we wonder "Where is everyone else?" We had they high, here's the crash!

@dessert506

Жыл бұрын

@@xendordawnburst9969 that's it, at this point every movie they make has to basically be a avengers movie or else it just dosnt seem to make much sense

@TheYgds

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, pulling a Kaizer Soze takes some great acting chops and writing. The current writers just aren't that good. Indeed, most Hollywood script writers seem to be just plain bad. The ones who are good, I don't think are being brought on board the Big Budget projects, except for a few. Interestingly, the DC movies are getting better, which is a genuine shocker.

@wafflingmean4477

Жыл бұрын

I think my favourite version of this is Littlefinger being revealed to have killed Jon Arryn in Game of Thrones. He's already a villain at this point, but you just think he's a backstabbing opportunist. It's only in that scene when you realise he is so, so much worse. And there were already signs of that which make the reveal make sense.

The Shang-Chi ending part was so facts, they really could’ve just had Wenwu be angry at the village for her death or for not giving him their powers and they didn’t need to include the dragons at all

@hlbwlt4867

Жыл бұрын

I didnt even watch shang chen until the end

@TheTruth-13

Жыл бұрын

The dragons were a key part of the movie. The mother got her powers from the dragon, and the village entire purpose was to be protecters, the father being mad at the village for her death would make no sense. He also had his own powers called the 10 rings, and has never been shown to be in search for more power. Having a battle because he doesn’t have even more power when no one has posed a single threat to him makes 0 sense. It was his enemies that killed his wife. He only went to the village because he was being called by the dragon. Did you even watch the movie?

@God-vl8qo

Жыл бұрын

@@hlbwlt4867 Same, I enjoyed its sequel Shane Chang though

@famus801

Жыл бұрын

To be honest i went to watch it with my Girlfriend and it was so boring we ended up just making out

@God-vl8qo

Жыл бұрын

@@famus801 And then you woke up.

This is so true. Idrc about the mcu again after endgame. I only saw spiderman & shang chi after that. But with the endless shows & movies they're pumping out, it feels like it's too much to care about, and that the cohesion is gone... Plus I just don't have time to consume all of that 😂

I really like this dissection and I couldn’t agree more. I also really appreciate that you acknowledge that most of these films are not bad on their own as many have (somewhat hyperbolically so) said that this phase is shockingly poor. Truthfully, it just feels like a kitchen with too many cooks. Each ingredient decent on its own, but together, they just become conflicting and over saturated in their flavors, so to speak.

I think the problem is simpler: the initial phases started with being grounded in reality and built to a cosmic, ultimate stakes conclusion. In phase 4, they seem to be trying to top that - now building from something already fantastical and outlandish and getting ever more so - which makes keeping things relatable on a human level very hard. I think a better strategy would have been to “get back down to earth”; focus initially on the street level heros whose lives are more similar to our own, building empathy with the characters we’re supposed to care about. The big stories about timelines and multiverses can come, but you must first make care about the characters again. So tl:dr: it’s a all a bit too much.

@Yonkage-ik5qb

Жыл бұрын

It really does feel like an anime where the "power levels" have grown over time, and now we have villains who can blow up entire universes, so where the heck do you go from there? You can't.

@firstlast-wg2on

Жыл бұрын

I think that’s why I’m so excited for the next Spider-Man. The new suit and new scenario seems to be like they’re trying to introduce the classic Spider-Man story: Peter Parker has a life trying to get into education, paying rent, and balancing all that with being Spider-Man.

@pagingdoctorsideburns

Жыл бұрын

That's why I actually liked Hawkeye.

@GMAMEC

Жыл бұрын

The different timelines really throw things off. It’s too much.

@big_cheese2162

Жыл бұрын

Yes 100% you've put this really well, this is why they've struggled. That's why I thought Falcon & Winter Soldier was quite good, it was smaller scale & real world.

I just wanna say, the hook with the baseball movie at the beginning of the video was fantastic. Brilliant strategy to absorb the viewer with a compelling story right off the bat, and then use it as an analogy throughout the rest of the video. Creates a great sense of cohesiveness to the whole video, as if it was a mini movie in and of itself. I just couldn't help but be intriguied and not click off the whole time. Just subscribed, looking forward to seeing what else you'll be making in the future!

@nefreston8503

Жыл бұрын

"right off the bat" I see what you did there 😉

@VERY_TALL_MAN

Жыл бұрын

Found the alt account

@toastybread9267

Жыл бұрын

I almost clicked off when he started talking about baseball within the first minute or so with no clear direction of where he was taking the story

@borginburkes1819

Жыл бұрын

@@VERY_TALL_MAN lmao. 😂

@borginburkes1819

Жыл бұрын

@@toastybread9267 same. He was talking too much about baseball and I got annoyed

I think phase 4 was always supposed to be a mess, they're tossing everything at a wall to see what sticks with an audience, except the audience just got bored and left.

@frankhorrigan1508

8 ай бұрын

are you sure? because as far as i saw even absolute messes like Quantumania and Thor 4 were financial success.

@mustacheman3000

8 ай бұрын

@@frankhorrigan1508 well obviously, but just because something is profitable doesn't mean that it was a success

@frankhorrigan1508

8 ай бұрын

@@mustacheman3000 maybe in your eyes. In THEIR eyes as long as they make money they will continue to produce this garbage.

@Carmenbratan343

8 ай бұрын

@@mustacheman3000kinda does

@timruelas3279

8 ай бұрын

@@Carmenbratan343short term yes, but long term most likely not.

Your face is awesome. you are so expressive and also have a very comforting manner.

There was a time and a place for Marvel MCU films. They won’t be around forever, and it reflects on what people wanted at the time. There will be another movement in media that will define future decades to come. The problem with many stories is that they don’t know when to say: “The End”, and “They all lived happily ever after”; having a conclusion that stays concluded is a powerful message.

I feel like with every new release, they have to keep upping the stakes, and eventually it feels overwhelming to have stakes that high in a solo movie.

@cameroncook653

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes “the goku effect”

@SRFAA

Жыл бұрын

That's the thing. Once Endgame ended they needed to dial everything back, or else the world would be facing "end of the world" type events with every movie. For example - Shang-Chi had the potential to just tell a story about a family conflict, but had to throw in a creature that would destroy the world at the end. They could have just moved that to a different movie, and made it a team-up thing. Or even just left it for a Shang-Chi 2 that went into what the rings were.

@lando4433

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of how ridiculous the Fast & Furious franchise got

@stevenbobbybills

Жыл бұрын

@@SRFAA absolutely. Shang-Chi, Eternals, Dr Strange 2, so many of these movies have had world- or even dimension-ending stakes. Black Widow even had the Red Room manipulating the whole world for that to be set up and resolved in one movie.

@julianlaresch6266

Жыл бұрын

This is what I call the supernatural effect. Season 5 was a good ending. Endgame was a good ending. I'd be satisfied never watching a marvel movie again after endgame (except for anything directed by waititi)

The best parts of phase 4 were the projects that tried to distance themselves from the typical marvel formula but unfortunately some of the projects that did try to distance themselves were forced to bend over backwards to put certain story beats in just to fill the quota or whatever

Dude, this was absolutely Brilliant. I hope Kevin see's this.

I think a hurdle Marvel Studio will have to figure out is the escalation problem. More powerful heroes, bigger conflicts, in shorter lengths of time.

The MCU has been special to me for a long time. It seems like in a lot of ways it's state mirrored my own life. Endgame came out my senior year of high school and it was both the MCU and my high point. Then corona comes along and nothing is the same, everything is directionless, monotonous, just bland and uncertain and it leaves you yearning for what came before.

@willythewhale2235

Жыл бұрын

Same for me bro. Exactly the same.

@maldor56

Жыл бұрын

Think about it though. Was phase 4 that bad? Sure it suffered but I think a big part of that is the pandemic. Now everyone wants what come before. Why? Because life was simpler. That’s my take anyway

@feli_esmeralder

Жыл бұрын

Oh, most likely we are the same age lol

@abnormallynormal8823

Жыл бұрын

Na dude, that’s just adulthood 😂

@peterpupe8352

Жыл бұрын

People getting old dont realize theyre also getting "boring". When its not a super devisive, black-supremacist film, im fine with some of the more lighthearted, dumb entertainment. Just ignore the people telling you everything is going to shot.

i recently started catching up on all the marvel projects i missed and holy shit it was rough. not only because i missed so much, but because all of the projects were sooooo bad and didnt seem to be going anywhere. it feels like homework trying to keep up with everything and if you don’t watch one show or movie, you won’t understand some other projects.

I absolutely agree with your take on the new phases. With each new release, i am constantly trying to figure out how these new and old heroes/characters and their storylines would intertwine with eachother. I finished Secret Invasion and i enjoyed thr character development of Fury from broken guy to the newly power-gained Nick Fury and i felt the nostalgic glimpse of the old fury in phases 1-3 which was awesome.....but....at the same time im like, how does the skrull invasion actually even impact the other stories? This sort of thing definitely had potential to be on the same level as finding out about shield and taking them down, but no, its just a fury centric show and not only that, but the leader of the rebels was killed and it really seemed like the other rebels just up and changed sides and now that whole conflict seems resolved and so now it feels like that whole thing is just going to be pushed to the side like that dead celestial in the ocean was just pushed to the side and never once mentioned again in the future movies? A lot of these new movies and shows have individual stories that are solved on its own in the same respected movies and shows. Even now after the completion of phase 4 and the finishing of two phase 5 media (GotG3 and secret invasion), im still wondering how the hell any of these stories/characters will overlap into the new avengers movie...

I'd say losing SHIELD as a way to tie the world's together has hurt too. Wong can only do so much

@DavidMartinez-ce3lp

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, which is weird because they were teased to be returning back in Age of Ultron. Then they didn't even involve them in Civil War. They definitely need a SHIELD to have things come together. Especially with all these characters popping up all over the place. Perfect for recruiting a new team.

I completely agree with everything but mostly the line in the intro that endgame felt like the end. I hadn’t thought of the pandemics impact but you’re totally right. It was the pause to let the finality of endgame settle and now it feels hard to jump back in. Also, the frequency of their projects feeling like “content” is spot on

Not only infinity stone, there are thing like shield and vibranium which glued every story together.

That comparison to moneyball is honestly brilliantly thought through. Is this an original idea in this video? if so then well done sir

I think the previous phases set a bar soo high that failure was inevitable

@AkameGaKillfan777

Жыл бұрын

If they knew what they were doing, their success would be Iron Man

@versecontro4898

8 ай бұрын

Not really, Thats like saying musicians get to big for their new album. Its not they they set the bar too high they just seperated themselves to far from what their original fans fell in love with. Marvel Dropped a 3 part album that got them into the mainstream and instead of telling the fans they are making movies that have nothing to do with eachother they lie and say they havent changed abit and its the fans fault for their failures. The fans need to stop listening to the older music and they are bad for not wanting anything to do with their new music. They didnt set a bar, they just got in their own way and cant take the critisizm.

@chrisaugustin9181

8 ай бұрын

@@versecontro4898artists branch out tho, the great ones evolve in sound, but you’re right that they don’t abandon what they gave the audience at first. artiste balance this while the mcu fails to by abandoning everything in previous phases

@stefanoraffo5096

8 ай бұрын

The bar wasn't that high. Marvel movies are consistent, not masterpieces. If we got marvel on the level of the Batman with scattered stories I don't think people would complain too much

@PeanutTechno

8 ай бұрын

"You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." That wasn't just him adressing the Avengers, that was him adressing the MCU. He was trying to warn us!

i feel like 30% of the shows and movies have been good in phase 4 but as you said, they really don't have good endings or cohesion leaving us feel empty when they end, i feel like most people enjoyed wandavision, loki, moon knight when they came out and episodes were being dicussed but when they ended most people forgot about them. Shang Chi and No Way Home were especially good as well.

@jonathaningram8157

Жыл бұрын

Wandavision was really frustrating for me because I thought the show was great, quite original and prepared for something even better. But what we got (Multiverse of madness) was really disappointing with a serial killer Wanda that doesn't stitch well with the ending of wandavision and a totally absent white Vision. I couldn't get into Loki because I thought that, well, Loki was just dumb. He is despicted as a master of lies, a manipulator, but during the whole show he is just stupid. At first I thought he figured it all out and had a plan for everything, but no, not at all. It's a miracle the dude is still alive. Overall I think his character is badly written. Female loki isn't better.

@haroonp8842

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathaningram8157 ye u have summed up how i feel about those shows aswell. Wanadavision was good overall but the ending was a generic fight and multiverse of madness did nothing to help her character, they didnt bring back white vision or do anything with that storyline indeed. And loki had an interesting story in my opinion but you are right in that he was dumbed down so that the female loki could stand out more

@summertyme5748

Жыл бұрын

_what we got (Multiverse of madness) was really disappointing with a serial killer Wanda that doesn't stitch well with the ending of wandavision_ It's just shitty writing and directing. People don't understand what happened. - Scott Derrickson who did Doctor Strange 1 was supposed to direct. - Nightmare was the main villain. It was going to be a twisted surreal horror film. - Wanda was to start out as a genuine ally of Strange but fall down a dark path by the film's end. - America Chavez was going to be introduced as a multiverse jumping character. - The multiverse was going to come unraveled in this film. - No Way Home would come *after* this film, and so would not need the stupid plot about getting into college and Strange casting the cartoon forget spell. [which makes no 'magical' sense and is just one of the dumbest uses of magic - ever] - There were actual story boards showing Chavez opening the portals to rescue Strange in No Way Home. - Both films - potentially - would have actually made sense. - This was tricky and took time to develop. But Disney was impatient and greedy and told Scott to hurry up or step off. - Scott got fired. - And then Covid 19 happened. - This completely made a joke of Disney's hurry up demand because it shut down the whole film industry - Scott would have had plenty of time to write MOM as it turned out - but...too late now - he went on to make the Black Phone (a much better horror film) instead. - Enter Sony: Now they refused to wait for Multiverse Of Madness and just rewrote NWH with one of the *stupidest* plots in the history of writing. lol. [Sony and Disney basically f'ed both films into the ground] - Meanwhile Feige in desperation turned to burnt-out Sam Raimi to direct MoM, and minimum wage writer Michael Waldron to do the multiverse writing (cuz he did cartoon multiverse for Rick and Morty) - The result is a complete cluster fk. Multiverse of Madness retcons the entire Infinity Saga so that it makes *no sense* and turns a complex character Wanda Maximov - into a cartoon horror movie witch from an evil dead movie. What a mess.

@summertyme5748

Жыл бұрын

_Wandavision was good overall but the ending was a generic fight_ There was more to it than that - that was *not* generic but many people didn't get it. The two androids had a battle of logic. The two witches had a psychological war. There's a great scene where Wanda using Runes - sneaks up on Agatha and attempts to westview her [mind control]. But Agatha is counting on this - and she traps Wanda in *her* mind where the other witches all turn on Wanda, because they know she is the foretold Scarlett Witch. Almost no one got this scene though - they think it's just generic something-something fighting. Should have been better executed but it's still better than almost anything else in all of phase 4. The dumb fkry that went on in multiverse of madness does not even bear examining. Wanda is too stupid to even understand how a woman can actually 'have babies' with the power of 'female' and would not need to go on insane killing spree.... [which Raimi's laughable 'horror' movie needs and just uses Wanda to make it happen] Raimi and Waldron don't get this, and don't get how the character they've created has no credibility from a female perspective.

@Digger-Nick

Жыл бұрын

90% of everything Endgame and after has been absolute GARBAGE. Shang Chi was not bad but not great, No Way Home was a colossal waste of time because much like Wandavision and the new Dr Strange, Marvel Disney has no clue how a multiverse works.

The transition from movies/stories/art to content nails the ⚰️. If they don’t stop and read the room, the spiral is gonna keep tumbling

okay Quantumania exists now. but Loki in my opinion is the only show with an actual tv ending. it’s resolution is a conversation. it has a cliffhanger that actual felt substantial. the characters actually have arcs including Loki and Silvie.