Hey Guys, I just wanted to say thank you for the incredible support over the past few months and especially to my patrons who help to keep this channel afloat, and not to mention we've nearly hit half a million subs which is something I honestly never thought I'd reach :D I'm a lazy bugger however, so I have nothing planned for reaching the milestone, however I do have a video on how to make a video essay coming out very soon so keep your eyes peeled for that. In the video I'll say my controversial opinions on the video essay community and also give advice to anyone who wants to become a video essayist. It just so happens its release may coincide with my 500k milestone so... actually yeah, that's my half a million special, my entirely planned one. (looks side to side suspiciously) Anyway, thanks a ton to every last one of you for sticking around, and thanks to audible for sponsoring today's video. Please do check them out by clicking my link as when you do, it encourages audible to work with me again which makes my income more steady, and thus my future on KZread far more hopeful :D (TL;DR please click my audible link so I can stave off from getting a real job) Have a great day, - Henry

@maarten9272

4 жыл бұрын

Give me le Grand swallow 😩

@userjoinedyourchannel1

4 жыл бұрын

Thankfully more and more content creator are talking about how wasteful this movie and cinematic series has been. Not just the ending, the whole damn mcu is pretty mediocre. Wish they paid the animators overtime and the cg supervisors better or enough smh

@kenwkls6392

4 жыл бұрын

i learn alot from your vids. good work

@FB35959

4 жыл бұрын

hey would you do another review of Batman V Superman once again ? people says they found more things after re watching in the second time or more

@TheUnintentionalWildCard

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, Henry! Thank you so much for your KZread channel! As a teenager, my ultimate dream is to be a script writer and movie director! I've spent years developing my own ideas of movie franchises and characters. Therefore, me and my family actually relocated to a different city so that I may take writing and directing classes. However, you're channel is what drove my dreams! You For Real made me become a better writer. You have such insightful writing tips and are just full of wisdom! I've taken NOTES off of your videos and I can't thank you enough for educating me! You're the best! ;) Edit: AND CONGRATS ON REACHING HALF A MILLION SUBS!

Marvel wasted an opportunity to show Peter Quill finally back on earth after avoiding it for all this time, but he says nothing.

@homoerectus2350

4 жыл бұрын

are you serious? of course he knew he was from earth. the guardians movies build up the fact that he was taken from there and he’s always known that.

@JohnSmith-ey6zy

4 жыл бұрын

​@@afkpavi he knows he's a terran as in Terra (latin for earth/dirt, but i don't expect a kidnaped kid from the midwest to even know what latin is, unless they're Catholic schooled) for his entire life, and then somebody you never know tell you are from Earth, of course he's gonna deny it because he don't know what earth is and instead only ever knew it as Terra in his life.

@bamlyolo3109

4 жыл бұрын

John Smith dude he went to tony stark’s funeral the day after. That’s enough time to realize what planet he is on. Also dr strange must be around to explain to them where they were being teleported to

@thelonleyghast8975

4 жыл бұрын

sf4k1as and Tony responds that’s on Earth

@Masonhill76

4 жыл бұрын

Why would he care?

The children of thanos are the most down played characters i have ever seen

@connorp3764

3 жыл бұрын

Laughs in Knights of Ren

@canvas_125

3 жыл бұрын

They should’ve been harder to beat against the Avengers. I loved Cap’s intro in Infinity War, but they really underwhelmed the threat of Thanos’ children. Especially Ebony Maw.

@captainmarvelwilson508

3 жыл бұрын

Wait till you see the Knights of Ren. They were severely underplayed. The children of Thanos at least had some cool battles.

@Lazekillerwhale

3 жыл бұрын

Laugh in Decepticons.

@Blarnix

3 жыл бұрын

They’re made of literal jello

The idea of Hulk going into a rage over Natashas supposed death within the battle wouldve been amazing

@javiermachado10

7 ай бұрын

I thought maybe he could get so angry his heart would glow red from his blood boiling and the camera pans to the other characters watching hulk's normal green skin to a more scarlet red, then it switches back to a close up of hulks eyes as the tears on his face turns into vapor. I'm sure my lil fan fiction breaks rules within the marvel universe but still, sounds like a pretty cool sequence to me

@Dandydorf

7 ай бұрын

@@javiermachado10well it certainly hits harder than endgame did. Fucking hulk got done so dirty :(

@ATR000

7 ай бұрын

​@BlueChipSigns I figured the Endgame is a reflection of what a puss Mark Ruffalo is....

@dominiquejones3805

6 ай бұрын

MCU has completely nerfed Hulk. He didn't even get a quick rematch with Thanos

@tintiniitk

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, but then you would have taken away her glorious fight and death scene at Vormir. I would keep Natasha's death the same, but make it so that Tony Stark's death would happen sooner in the story (before Dr. Strange or any of the other heroes earlier turned dust showed up). Tony's death would cause the most dreadful and hopeless moment in the battle (kind of like that of Dumbledore in HP6 or that of Aragon in LOTR2), and then when all hope is lost. the portals would start opening up and the tables would turn.

Watching this made me realise that the Infinity War battle at wakanda, and even the one at Titan, really checked all the boxes you mentioned. There was a tangible goal- protect vision till the mind stone is taken out. To do that, they needed to defend the lab. there were moments of despair- people breaking into shuri's lab, Thanos managing to get the time stone, thanos's army overpowering our heroes. But there were also moments of hope- wanda joining the fight, thor's epic entrance. overall, just a much better show than Endgame's shoddy and fan-servicey battle

@Pok-qq9lt

Жыл бұрын

Avengers part 2 Fanservice-Game =D (with time travel)

@AbhijeetMishra

Жыл бұрын

Infinity War was just superior in many ways. More action without leaving aside the drama and emotional stuff. Endgame is all talk till literally the end when Thanos arrives, and it's not even interesting talk that would keep people interested.

@Chzrm3

Жыл бұрын

@@AbhijeetMishra Yup. Infinity War is the best movie Marvel's ever made, and Endgame was a really, really weak follow-up.

@agilemind6241

Жыл бұрын

The climax of Infinity war was better but the rest of it was just a glorified fetch quest with random thanos lackeys we know nothing about. Whereas endgame was the opposite, clever fun time travel plot with an utterly boring "climax" battle. Black Widow's sacrifice had a hundred times more meaning than Tony Stark's because they so screwed up that final battle.

@AbhijeetMishra

Жыл бұрын

@@agilemind6241 I don't agree in that regard. I found Endgame to be disappointing because it takes a long time to get going, barely has any action in the first half, and the climax is also rather short. The heist is the only part I really enjoyed because of how they went all nostalgic. In fact, much of the movie is rather emotional and about fan service, which was, as I said, the best part for me.

You know what I actually feel like Hawkeye had more screen time than professor hulk in the final battle.

@tranquilk5912

3 жыл бұрын

About every person got more screentime overall than Hulk himself, can even say Groot/baby/teenage groot had more screen time than the incredible hulk

@flyingbooger2122

3 жыл бұрын

@@tranquilk5912 lol

@brahmaputramoskva1215

3 жыл бұрын

The overall screen time of hulk was pathetic in both movies, atleast infinity war had good strange and Thor moments

@flyingbooger2122

3 жыл бұрын

@@brahmaputramoskva1215 honestly the 2 things I was disappointed with infinity War was Hulk/Banner and Captain America.

@mr.iiconic

2 жыл бұрын

Hawkeye deserves it honestly. They butchered him hard.

I actually forgot Hulk was in the final battle

@Zathren

4 жыл бұрын

Same!

@GamerplushMaker

4 жыл бұрын

Wait hulk was in the movie?

@mist2666

4 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@hakon7269

4 жыл бұрын

He was?

@dr.boring7022

4 жыл бұрын

Wait, The Incredible Hulk was in the MCU?

The most underwhelming factor was having 2014 Thanos as the "ultimate bad guy" in the 3rd act, instead of 2023 Thanos; the stakes didn't feel as high and personal as they should've been.

@gawkgawk1000

Жыл бұрын

How is Thanos going to be alive in 2023 if Thor chopped his head?

@kuusakat1308

Жыл бұрын

@@gawkgawk1000 that doesn't negate their point lol

@gawkgawk1000

Жыл бұрын

@@kuusakat1308 but it doesn't make sense

@kuusakat1308

Жыл бұрын

@@gawkgawk1000 Well then you need to work around it. Either have the Thanos at the end be from, let's say 2018. Or 2023, but in the past. Or then don't kill Thanos in the beginning.

@gawkgawk1000

Жыл бұрын

@@kuusakat1308 so the point is?

I didn't really like Nebula at first, but the more I understand her story and trauma. I feel really bad for her and appreciate how complex and in depth she is. For mostly being a supporting character she's really been given a good amount of development and I've come to really appreciate her

One of the most significant things wasted was Drax and his backstory

@TheCloserLook

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, however they only had so much screen time, so focusing on Drax would mean they'd have to remove something else such as ant man meeting his daughter, then people would complain that we never saw that. It's kind of a lose-lose for the Russo's in that respect.

@pretendtheresaname9213

4 жыл бұрын

Not only him, Nebula was sadly put aside.

@Luke101

4 жыл бұрын

The Closer Look they had plenty of opportunities to pursue that plotpoint in IW and they didn’t do it either. Give Drax less stupid comedy moments and focus on what has been set up for him

@bohdan_lvov

4 жыл бұрын

@@Luke101 then again - we don't know whole story of Drax yet - maybe his whole arc in GoTG3 will be frustration from the fact that he wanted to avenge his family killing Thanos, but someone did it before him and now he doesn't know what to do next.

@crimsonhunter7598

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine what would have happened if they had put original drax in the MCU and did it like they now did with miss marvel, saying that drax is the strongest hero The guardians of the galaxy would be unnecessary and he could probably fight thanos alone So i think it's good that it's just green knife wielding batista Don't hate drax just saying

It's why Infinity War's final battle felt even more tense, because everyone was serious as hell. Endgame's final battle, although awesomely epic, was pure fanservice and had no stakes at all.

@valeskatkda

3 жыл бұрын

In Infinity War they couldn’t stop making jokes

@spendsshanks6050

3 жыл бұрын

@@valeskatkda Same with Endgame

@ianmcelmurry2882

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t really think infinity wars had much progression or stakes either

@BTTFMovie

3 жыл бұрын

What do you mean? Rather than kill only half the population, Thanos' plan became to kill everyone. No do-overs or second chances this time. If the Avengers lost again, the effects would've been permanent. The stakes were literally and objectively doubled.

@benl.4577

3 жыл бұрын

@@BTTFMovie yeah but the whole movie was basically dread on Thanos' arrival. Literally the whole world was all desparate to stop him. In endgame, they never planned for him to show up, he just kinda did and they fought right there and then.

I felt like they haven't wrote much about Doctor Strange in the final fight since he was stuck on a single task: preventing the water from getting to our heroes (essentially submerging the battlefield). But with Strange's ability and intellectual prowess, even after being dusted for 5 years, I think that would not stop him from coming up with a solution to the problem without having to stay on it and possibly missing out on the fight.

@Ra-Hul-K

Жыл бұрын

to their defense.. Dr. Strange has already seen this version of the future and he already knows what exactly to do

@jamz8785

Жыл бұрын

​@@Ra-Hul-KYou know that was just a (very) good excuse, so every plot hole or character missing receives a reason for why they didn't act more logical, right?

@Ra-Hul-K

Жыл бұрын

@@jamz8785 in their (film maker) defense they had almost 15+ main characters in one movie & they had to give all of them purpose and screen space.. hulk fans want more of hulk.. strange fans want to see strange doing more stuff.. he was fighting until the dam broke.. up until the end he wasn't quite sure they were gonna win coz things needed to happen in a certain way for the winning outcome.. & there's only so much a single person can control, others do whatever they want to do.. that's why he tells Tony if I say what's gonna happen it wont happen

@chryst4l926

Жыл бұрын

​@@jamz8785 Not really, only really affects Strange. Doesnt for example excuse Thor not going for the head

@jamz8785

Жыл бұрын

@@chryst4l926 Nope, it literally affected everyone, he says "We win in only 1 posible timeline" any other thing that didn't imply Tony sacrificing would mean their defeat, that's also a way for writers to say "Dont search for better ways they could have won easier, strange said this one is the only plausible" (for example, the fan theory about Antman winning the fight by jumping into Thanos' butt)

Holy shit I've finally found someone puts it into words. The hollow feeling I felt watching that final battle is finally explained! Thank you sir.

@whwhywhywhywhywhywhy

9 ай бұрын

Its nice to hear someone else say it, everyone I talked to IRL and online found the fight so epic and I thought it was so heartless and boring

@allenbower1431

8 ай бұрын

Except he took the final battle and cut out most of it to make his point. The final battle doesn’t start with the portals, that’s the start of the end of the final battle. Since he uses the battle of Helm’s Deep as an example, the portals are Gandalf arriving. Except in Helm’s Deep this immediately ends the battle. In endgame there is more complexity. It’s actually really obvious that this is true when you look at it. In the battle of helm’s deep Theoden rides out (with a small number of riders) to be that last defense, to sacrifice himself in the face of overwhelming odds. It’s at this moment that Gandalf shows up and the battle is immediately over. Theoden doesn’t know that’s going to happen. But he acts anyway. See? It’s the same thing, except endgame spends more time and has more chances for failure even after this magic moment, while LotR immediately has the good guys win. In endgame Captain America steps forward to be the last defense against Thanos, to sacrifice himself in the face of overwhelming odds. It’s at this moment everybody else shows up and the battle is over, shortly, but not immediately, after. Captain America doesn’t know that’s going to happen. But he acts anyway.

@whwhywhywhywhywhywhy

8 ай бұрын

@@allenbower1431 agreed. Shortening the post portal scene would have helped a lot. The post portal fight was meant to be a celebration / showcase of the vast array of MCU characters I suspect. It wasn't necessary for the movie.

You'll get a better climax when you FIX THIS DAMN DOOR

@weedle5221

4 жыл бұрын

dammit what is this from

@Mopark25

4 жыл бұрын

@@weedle5221 Spiderman 3.

@weedle5221

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mopark25 ugh it all just came rushing back...

@G.N.F462

4 жыл бұрын

Give me climax.

@lolekbolek916

4 жыл бұрын

Give me rent!

My problem is that Thanos simply a raid boss in this movie. I much prefer the mastermind Thanos

@mxwells216

3 жыл бұрын

I agree...the thought of Thanos destroying the stones because of "temptation" is laughable. Thanos is the most discipline character in the MCU, I doubt having the gauntlet would give someone with his stature and mind a weak of a flaw

@justincoleman2817

3 жыл бұрын

That was done intentionally. Thaos in 2014 was a war monger who didn't care about anything but the Infinity War Thanos was more careful and smarter because he was a prophet. The directors confirmed this and that's why he is so different in Endgame

@trureligionkidd

3 жыл бұрын

What did he mastermind? He just pulled up and took the stones in infinity war like he was gonna do in endgame

@justincoleman2817

3 жыл бұрын

@@trureligionkidd In Infinity War he has a plan and he knows what to expect. In Endgame, 2014 Thanos' plan was to just use brute force and take the Infinity Gauntlet.

@trureligionkidd

3 жыл бұрын

@@justincoleman2817 what plan? I just remember him going to where the stones were and taking them, in endgame the stones were already together

I’ve gotta agree. Fight scenes need a story. Also, I was disappointed the hulk didn’t get his sweet redemption and slap Thanos around some. I don’t care how skilled a fighter you are, you’re not out fighting the hulk unless it’s to aid the story in a certain direction

@monkehotdogs2227

11 ай бұрын

Its an absolute shame how badly hulk has been nerfed in the MCU 🤣Not as bad as Taskmaster at least

@Nickwilde2295

10 ай бұрын

So what if it's disappointing it was the last Marvel movie before marvel movies went to shit in 2020s

@monkeynuts1046

9 ай бұрын

i wanted hulk to give thanos the loki treatment

@dominiquejones3805

6 ай бұрын

He didn't have 2 beat Thanos but I mean a stare down then throw down a lil bit would of been enough 4 me. Hulk has been nerf3d 2 nothing. Loki isn't even dangerous n his own show

@jblegend5272

3 ай бұрын

Nah I’m glad he didn’t

That alternative version of the fight is genuinely such a good idea that I felt all the emotions just by listening to it. It’s such a powerful idea that sent shivers down my spine that I would rather see than the actual climax of Endgame. And it’s sad that it’ll never be on screen 😭

@Ra-Hul-K

Жыл бұрын

seriously what was his ending again? captain america beats thano's ass with mjolnir?

@ihaventshoweredin7weeksbut792

Жыл бұрын

@@Ra-Hul-K maybe after cap holds off thanos with mjolnir long enough for tony to gain back consciousness, thanos gets the last stone and just repeat iron man’s death scene as he looks at doctor strange

@CircuitrinosOfficial

Жыл бұрын

@@Ra-Hul-K The established goal was to finish repairing the time machine and send the stones back and erasing the new Thanos from that timeline. I'm not sure how he was planning to do that though.

@MrMuel1205

Жыл бұрын

Wait a few years. Plug this version into an AI. Sit back and watch the superior version.

@lolmanmagee2785

10 ай бұрын

same

Doesn't relate to the video at all, but what I find funny is that the infinity stones affect the UNIVERSE I mean imagine being an alien chilling in Andromeda and then your whole family dies because some big grape dude in the Milky Way had some magic rocks.

@TheCloserLook

4 жыл бұрын

That made me laugh.

@warriormadman

4 жыл бұрын

2 real 7 me

@NickolasShely

4 жыл бұрын

You can put the other way around as well. All of the sudden half of our planet dies because somebody somewhere (perhaps in Andromeda) made a snap in a glove. With no effect on the events, it seems ridiculus. But how could we make it better? does it wipe out only half of the living in close by space? What does close by mean? Or perhaps it wipes out only half of the peeps Thanos have ever met? Idk how to improve it.

@gctypo2838

4 жыл бұрын

"some big grape dude"

@chalonhutson

4 жыл бұрын

Silentflame you’re grape dude comment 🤣🤣🤣

No one even mentions that War Machine was given a new badass suit of armor for the final fight, but you never even see him one time during the battle.

@sir.buttersworth

4 жыл бұрын

He is seen for like 5 seconds tho

@James-xw8li

4 жыл бұрын

@@sir.buttersworth thats probably more than hulk

@wilfred5820

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe he located the suit in Tony’s secret last resort armor archive

@beardedbill7047

4 жыл бұрын

It looked like the patriot armor from iron man 2

@stevenzayas5527

4 жыл бұрын

@@wilfred5820 War Machine's new suit is seen very briefly in the background, and out of focus, when Ant Man is shrunken down and is trying to save Rhodey and Rocket in the ruins of the Avengers facility. It looks like the suit was held in an underground room within the facility; as to how Rhodey actually got it, I don't know; he could probably have summoned it, like most of the newer, non-nanotech suits could do.

The funny thing is, they actually hit all these notes in this movie, but in the fight BEFORE the climax, when the three stooges are fighting Thanos 3v1. It's a fight I always come back to when I remember this movie because it balances that sense of progression so well... and then they snub it all in the following fight.

@agilemind6241

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, the fight before was the Helms Deep, and the portals opening was the Rohirim arriving. The problem with Endgame is that they then continue the battle for WAY too long when it's effective over, and they shove Tony Stark's sacrifice in it despite the fact that from the point the portals open the fight is entirely one-sided towards the heroes.

The 3 v 1 of thanos vs the avengers felt like the actual final battle cause it felt like he could’ve killed any of them at any point

@mateusbandeira9017

2 ай бұрын

Even that was weird because Rogers was taking hits from Thanos like he had super strength or something

The war in Endgame was a victory lap, not an actual struggle.

@TheCloserLook

4 жыл бұрын

Of course it was, but it was the climax, one of the key things a climax has to do is well... be a climax. It has to be the moment with the highest stakes, the highest dread, the moment where the viewer is the most glued to their seat, the most afraid for their characters, and this climax failed in that respect. That's the point I make in this video, although I completely get why the Russo's did what they did.

@night1952

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheCloserLook i know, i meant it as a negative. There were no stakes, it was just pointless action and fanservice.

@leonhartdragomir8948

4 жыл бұрын

@UCLlRx3VzQT5YNIZ-odcewzA DJKokaKola I'm sorry but that's just not true. Endgame is the real climax, not an epilogue. It's nowhere comparable to the retaking of the Shire. Thanos's snap in Infinity War was a cliffhanger. Sure, it was the end to his story arc, but it was a cliffhanger for the Avengers, who are the main protagonists. Thanos is the main antagonist, just like Sauron was. The war at the end was a fight for the whole universe, not just one planet or country. Every single superhero was there, not just a small subset of them. The scale and context is completely different from the Scouring of the Shire. And even if you think its just an epilogue, this was still a full on war, not a bunch of individual fights. And it should do what a well written war does.

@wesleyscott1633

4 жыл бұрын

Dilip Tomar endgame took place over a single day, not much of a war

@leonhartdragomir8948

4 жыл бұрын

@@wesleyscott1633 Oh screw me, I said war instead of battle. I meant battle. My bad.

There was little tension , the fact that shuri can fight in this battle and survive without any injuries is absolutely baffling.

@ChrisDodges123

4 жыл бұрын

....but you're okay with Howard The Duck

@slothrocket8540

4 жыл бұрын

Also, from the snapped peoples' perspectives, they're teleported to the battlefield mere moments after being snapped, so when did she have time to deck herself out in war paint and fighting gauntlets?

@tvman250

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Dodges Howard the Duck lived with Ravengers in GotG2. So it kinda makes since that he would have actual combat experience, or at the very least survival tactics. Shuri on the other hand has never shown combat experience, unless you count getting bodied by Killmonger and Corvus Glaive. I don’t personally have beef w/ Shuri, but come on even Spiderman was getting trashed in that battle.

@tilmerkan3882

4 жыл бұрын

@@slothrocket8540 Its a fairly long time after Banner snapped them back. And Dr Strange has seen this one outcome and just might have instructed them about the faith of the universe? I feel sad for the Asgardian and Wakandan soldiers which litteeally have been in a serious battle before they got snapped.

@canghaiyangfan

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Dodges stfu Howard is the most op character and you know it.

Listening to your version of the final battle was a bittersweet moment. As it gave me such excitement (goosebumps and all) as if I was watching the scene (perfected) for the very first time and unfortunately knowing that I would never get that epic new ending was saddening.

@Ra-Hul-K

Жыл бұрын

seriously what was his ending again? captain america beats thano's ass with mjolnir?

@Ganonussyszestygorillagrip

Жыл бұрын

@@Ra-Hul-K but better. Did you pay attention?

@givemeanameiwillhate9525

Жыл бұрын

@@Ra-Hul-K who's thano's?

@Ra-Hul-K

Жыл бұрын

@@givemeanameiwillhate9525 he is Thanos' singular twin brother who goes by the name Thano 🤪

@erasedexistence4161

Жыл бұрын

@@Ra-Hul-K Why must you reply with the same statement on every comment regarding the better version of the story? Already shows your lack of creativity.

So glad someone said this. I was so excited when the portals opened, and I was like, “wow, I wonder how they’re going to structure this fight,” and then everyone just ran forward. I was like, “oh, well, I guess that’s one way to do it.”

2019: What a perfect way to end the *Infinity Saga.* Present Day: _There are too many plot holes and I lost count in this movie._

@divine_masculine69

2 жыл бұрын

Social media in a nutshell

@klickklack3949

2 жыл бұрын

@@divine_masculine69 movie just aged really terrible after the hype was gone

@justnoel4088

2 жыл бұрын

I knew it was a fan service movie the moment they went back to the Battle of New York from the first Avengers movie

@matthewsoucy9073

2 жыл бұрын

Times change as much as our opinions, don’t they?

@LaurenceIsTechno

2 жыл бұрын

When i first watched End Game, I instantly had a feeling of unsatisfaction. I loved Infinity War, i thought it was an epic movie that the whole MCU had been built up to. Then End Game came out, and it felt like a lazy rehash. Time travel back to all of the previous movies. The entire movie I felt like nothing new was being added to the narrative.

Infinity war is an incredible movie, endgame has incredible moments. That’s how I’ve always thought of it.

@itszaque5031

4 жыл бұрын

100% agreed! Endgame had great fan service but Infinity War was the real work of art.

@90AlmostFamous

4 жыл бұрын

Endgame has zero moments. Infinity war has memorable moments (almost every guardians and avengers interactions)

@alyssaharger6992

4 жыл бұрын

90AlmostFamous what about Avengers Assemble, or Cap picking up Mjolnir.

@Guitaronsofa

4 жыл бұрын

YES. Gosh damn yes this comment is perfect

@mania4270

4 жыл бұрын

Infinity war was ok, i think ppl were just so in to the characters that they gavw it a pass. Cap America has no arc in that movie. The wakanda scenes come off as forced. It wasnt very good

This "improved" version is missing one key emotional piece. In the original, the Avengers weren't sure they succeeded in bringing everyone back. So the big emotional moment when all hope is lost is followed by "not only did we succeed in bringing everyone back, but now we have help". Learning that they brought everyone back separately from help arriving diminishes that big moment. I wish there was a way to incorporate these changes without diluting that moment's emotional impact.

@Particle9a4

Жыл бұрын

That's actually possible, just have Wong do it instead of Dr. Strange. After Thanos arrives just have him tells The Avengers that he would gather every remaining help he can find (or have Captain America told him to after noticing that Thanos bring an army). Even if the snapped not brought back, there are still the remains of Asgardians, Wakandans, and Kamar Taj Sorcerers. And the rest plays out the same.

@DustinM83

Жыл бұрын

@@Particle9a4 Genius!

@Oscar-dc4ur

Жыл бұрын

Damn. That’s a good point

True story: When Captain America picked up Thor’s Hammer and I was in the theater watching it I literally yelled “YEA CAPTAIN AMERICA!” Without even realizing it. I only realized I did that when my brother shook my arm and was like “dude we are in a theater.”

@User-zv1sd

10 ай бұрын

Haha that’s awesome

The part I find interesting here and it actually explains why I much prefer the fight in Infinity War compared to Endgame is that sense of progression. In Infinity War you see the set-up of the Wakandan army and Thanos’s army landing, you see the forcefield set-up, you then see Thanos’s army claw their way through the forcefield, yada-yada the point is you can see that narrative progression, you see the tide of war turning and shifting all the way to the very end, whereas that’s just missing in Endgame. Even each of the Black Order have moments that can be tracked in Infinity War during the final fight, whereas in Endgame they’re faceless goons.

@pichitosmalltown3239

2 жыл бұрын

That's true. It really does put into perspective how Infinity War's climax is a billion times more exciting

@Chzrm3

Жыл бұрын

@@pichitosmalltown3239 Just across the board, Infinity War is a much stronger movie and really deserved a better sequel. Endgame was too unfocused and cluttered.

@doomsterr

Жыл бұрын

You try and fit about a 1000 characters in a 15 minute fight and give them an equal amount of attention.

@youareaspook5897

Жыл бұрын

​nobody would have cared if they added 10 min for some epic scale battle scenes with progressive story beats and a final showdown with thanos after he uses the stones to creatively nullify the advantage the avengers have before the final showdown with all the main line characters and their battle against thanos and whatever is left of his lieutenants. it was already hours long and they made so much money that another couple million on the budget (especially if people rewatch it more because of said improvement of final payoff) is a small price to pay

@narniadici1976

Жыл бұрын

I LOVED Infinity War. I watched Endgame and I mostly felt sad

I freaking HATED that "diversity moment", it felt completely unearned, like there was literally no reason for all of the women in the MCU to be in the same shot together. It felt like the creators being like "look at all the women we have! Give us a cookie!!" Which felt especially cheap considering how Tony's sacrifice was SO honored he got this huge funeral with everyone in attendance, and even though Natasha made the exact same sacrifice, she basically got no acknowledgement aside from one person saying they miss her. In addition to restructuring the battle the way you described, I would also restructure the ending, so that the original avengers got their moment of recognition, but the last moment of the film was that long shot of all of them, so that we could see how far we've come since the beginning, and how many people had to fight together to save the world.

@National7575

3 жыл бұрын

Girls do get it done>endgame girl scene

@luke5930

3 жыл бұрын

@@National7575 I was literally about to say a good example of a female fight is the boys one lol. That one felt badass and it felt earned and it didn't feel forced at all, in fact everyone was cheering, with endgame everyone was just a bit annoyed

@National7575

3 жыл бұрын

@@luke5930 yep

@vidzpk5144

3 жыл бұрын

They did Black Widow so dirty

@jackmcgough1164

3 жыл бұрын

The diversity moment did feel a bit forced I respect the reason for adding it but it felt way too checkboxish and unnatural

I'm considering writing an endgame scene for a fanfic, and you've made some excellent points that remind me of how I wanna approach character development: The whole. It can be overwhelming to focus on the development of each individual character, but treating groups as if they were their own characters helps simplify things, add more meaning to their growing relationships, and keep the readers reminded of their goals. Am I reading this right?

@bigfanofstuff3266

Жыл бұрын

When you're done, leave a link. I'd really love to read that

Nat dying and setting Bruce off into Hulk is ALWAYS how I imagined it being better. In your version, have Bruce never turn into brainy Hulk. Keep him human and depressed over the 5 years. He can be in the room fixing the time machine during this version of the battle, but have him need to leave the room for some reason, maybe to grab an item that got lost in the shuffle. He leaves and sees Natasha on the battlefield die at Thanos' hand, as she sacrifices herself to save Clint. This is the moment. Bruce is standing still, silence fills his world. The tint of green envelopes his eyes. There is no stopping it now. He grows larger than ever and Hulk is unleashed in full force. He rumbles through the battle, killing all henchman in his way. He targets Thanos, gets into a rematch from Infinity War, but now gets in all the punches he couldn't get in Infinity War, beating Thanos back with great force... HOWEVER Thanos (like he does in Endgame with Captain Marvel) grabs the Power Stone and in a last ditch saving grace, punches the Hulk with it. This take Hulk out of the equation and Bruce can no longer work the machine. Hope is lost. HOWEVER at that point Doctor Strange returns through a portal with Shuri, the only other genius that can fill the void. She sees Hulk turn back into Bruce as he loses consciousness. He tells her which item she needs. She gets it and moves on. Boom, rollercoaster.

Man, I literally got chills when you described Professor Hulk reverting to the old Hulk but even angrier

@reddragoner1932

3 жыл бұрын

emotion are important in stories so why not use the most emotional dude for an important scene, right?

@HEARTS-OF-SPACE

3 жыл бұрын

We all wanted to see Hulk vs. Thanos again. He never got a legit rematch with Thanos.

@AIIXIII0

3 жыл бұрын

@@HEARTS-OF-SPACE True. I wanted Hulk to get more screentime. His arc are just mehhhh.

@ehi_ij

3 жыл бұрын

Remember the days when you were actually afraid of hulk?

@god3538

3 жыл бұрын

@@ehi_ij Dude exactly, also I saw your channel and I thought it was pretty funny new sub 👍

I was truly saddened that Tony didn't mention that Pepper was finally wearing something he'd gotten her.

@ramc157

4 жыл бұрын

But... Pepper already did that before. In Iron Man 1,

@powerofanime1

4 жыл бұрын

@@ramc157 When we first see Tony in Endgame, he tells Morgan that her mom never wears anything he gets her while looking at the Rescue helmet. Also, Pepper bought that dress for herself using a company card and let's Tony take credit when he comments on it...after snarking about how he forgot her birthday.

@lukasundja3977

4 жыл бұрын

there are alot of references in endgame that go to other mcu movies that they dont speak on in endgame but everyone who has seen the moments that are referenced to in endgame knows them. if they would speak on those references the movie would be 30 minutes longer at least but it would mean less imo

@o0KuranYuuki0o

4 жыл бұрын

@@powerofanime1 you don't need to speak out everything, knowing people already knew.

@JaeWest

4 жыл бұрын

Who cares??? 😂😂😂

The thing is, the "battle" in Endgame isn't a battle with armies, it's more of a street fight with two huge gangs. There's no strategy from either side, it's essentially just punching heads in until there are no more heads to punch. So, even though I totally understand the point, just want to point out that the comparison to Helm's Deep, Minas Tirith, the Battle of the Bastards etc. is an uneven one.

@blinkachu5275

Жыл бұрын

@Daniel Cosme oh god... they make excuses to hate on anything that other people like because they're so fucking down in their own life that they can't understand how others enjoy things and just call it "mediocre taste" Grow up. Or get off the internet. Your negativity isn't necessary.

@47Mortuus

Жыл бұрын

Yes, beacuse what you said also reflects who this film was made for. Apart from the non-stop comic book cringe, of course.

I really like what you did with Hulk. They should have given him that moment. He deserved it

I feel like all of the Guardians were severely under utilised in Endgame. It felt like they were thrown in as an afterthought.

@leonardo9259

3 жыл бұрын

You can say that about a great part of rhe characters

@boyzaya15

3 жыл бұрын

You mean like EVERY other character aside from the main cast?

@lp.shakur

3 жыл бұрын

only rocket got real screentime

@NTLBagpuss

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but it was an Avengers movie, considering that they actually got a lot of screen time.

@lp.shakur

3 жыл бұрын

@@NTLBagpuss everyone in this was an avenger dude the avengers arent just those 6 or 7

"why doesnt ant man just belly flop on the bad guys?"

@happyfrantic7127

2 жыл бұрын

Would be quite fascinating

@Benjuicyy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanos army: *Points weapons upward* Ant-man: *OH SHIT NEEDLES-*

@joymatdell1054

2 жыл бұрын

Bro, that might have consequences like shaking the entire area until it cracked

@fargo1234

2 жыл бұрын

@@joymatdell1054 that doesn't make sense like MCU

@joymatdell1054

2 жыл бұрын

@@fargo1234 yeah I guess your right this just my thoughts to be honest

In regards to "knowing where characters are on the battlefield", they actually did it quite well in Infinity War during the battle in Wakanda! Right after Thor shows up, he immediately begins to proceed laying waste to Thanos' forces and the retreating dropships in the air. They take time to show viewers, "Hey, Thor is up here doing his God things, so he'll be preoccupied in case something detrimental happens right at this moment." And in the next few scenes, that's exactly what happens when Thanos proceeds to wreck the other available Avengers and take the Mind Stone. I'm sure everyone was watching that scene, seeing everyone get absolutely slumped by Thanos and wondering when Thor would get there, so this scene did a great job of balancing yin and yang

when you said "... and the original 3 avengers, the last line of defence... and Cap kicking his ass with that hammer..." i literally got chills. that`d be SO EPIC fr.

its also good to mention the Helm's Deep battle very successfully showed winning/losing sides spatially. You could immediately determine the orcs were winning because of the amount of layers of the fortress they advanced in. They pushed Rohan into the king's hall, which being the last safe room, was the most tense moment of the battle. in endgame, you can't see progression because there are no spatial landmarks to show armies advancing

@KingOfEden12

2 жыл бұрын

Just a little FYI. So during the battle of helms deep, the enemy were actually uruk hai. It was the 3rd movies' final battle where they fought against orcs.

@johannvantassel4604

2 жыл бұрын

@@KingOfEden12 yeah i know i just couldn't be bothered to try and spell out uruk hai

@tango6130

2 жыл бұрын

@@KingOfEden12 uruk hai are just bigger orcs tho. There a breed of orc

@permabulkenjoyer2002

2 жыл бұрын

That was a siege, this is a battle on a field. There is a difference.

@tango6130

2 жыл бұрын

@@permabulkenjoyer2002 during the battle of pellenor field, you could also see who was winning. During Rohans charge, we could see the orcs falling back to mordor. Rohan thought they had won, but then suddenly, Haradrim makes there own charge. We can see riders of Rohan charging around aimlessly in a moment of panic. It creates a lot of tension

I just don’t understand why Strange, Wong, or any of the warriors with sling rings couldn’t either teleport the van to the heroes or the heroes to the van.

@jake05

2 жыл бұрын

That's probably why they had Strange keep the water from flooding the battlefield. They had to somehow get rid of him to make everything harder for the hero's, thus making a more interesting story.

@Jus-Too-Smoove

2 жыл бұрын

@@jake05 trust me I get it, but you got to get me. Because in the movie just before it in Infinity War we saw Strange sling Bruce into a park in New York somewhere with a whole ass taxi right behind him. Now you said Strange was occupied but it’s not like there wasn’t hundreds of other warriors with sling rings present. Hell get Wong. But it is what it is. They make billions for there movies not making any sense and I’m still poor for pointing out the inconsistencies within them 😂😂😂

@Jus-Too-Smoove

2 жыл бұрын

Actually half a taxi. I went back and watched it. 😅😅 But whatever, same difference, they could’ve done it.😂😂

@jake05

2 жыл бұрын

Lol I see your point. There were A LOT of other wizards around but whatever. It is what it is.

@Femmeaesthetic

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jus-Too-Smoove If you didn't know strange saw the future when he was meditating so obviously he would keep quiet till endgame

I think one of the problems was they had already won. Yeah they added a new problem woth new thanos wanting to wipe everything. But there was no build up to that. They solved old thanos problem and now have to clean up the new issue.

My biggest issue with this final battle is: I don't know what the heck Thanos was trying to achieve? Is he just trying to kill the Avengers? If so, just blast them from the sky with his spaceship cannons. Is he trying to get back the Infinity Gauntlet? I feel like the fight comes too late. The good guys have done the saving. They've already altered time and brought everyone forward, so Thanos isn't trying to stop them, so what is he actually trying to accomplish, and why does he need an enormous army to achieve it?

@Ra-Hul-K

Жыл бұрын

basically he was just pissed off that his "work" was undone.. so now he wanted to kill everyone so that no one would undo his work.. & start life from scratch again.. 😬 i guess that's what he meant by “I will shred this universe to it’s last atom”

@agilemind6241

Жыл бұрын

@@Ra-Hul-K Except it wasn't because he was Thanos of the past who didn't do the snap.

@Ra-Hul-K

Жыл бұрын

@@agilemind6241 but he knew that his future version achieved the snap like he always wanted to..

@sansgamingwastaken

Жыл бұрын

He wanted to retrieve the Infinity Gauntlet so he could rebuild the galaxy, since the Avengers undoing the snap made him realize that no matter how noble he thinks his cause is, there will always be people too stubborn to not try and reverse it.

@bluecrood2720

5 ай бұрын

don't forget that the avengers had all of the stones that he was looking for

The infinity war climax, especially the fight on Titan, is so much more intense than the one here. Even the climax in wakanda in infinity war is much better.

@TheShootingStar129

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Aniv. I like Closer Look’s channel too but I feel like it’s the wrong channel to comment my dislike for Infinity War on

@marko3793

3 жыл бұрын

AGREE! I always thought the war in Wakanda was better. Specially that part when Thanos already reached Scarlet and Vision.

@dtccocomelon9114

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't think wakanda was better,it kinda dragged

@dtccocomelon9114

3 жыл бұрын

I do agree that the battle on titan is better

@tenderandmoist5011

3 жыл бұрын

I agree on the first half, the rest tho? Ehhh...for me the climax in Wakanda was one of the worse ones in the franchise

The one thing that bothers me, Thanos could have killed the Avengers army in an instant the moment they stepped through the portals, by just blasting them with his huge spaceship cannons.

@diannajennings266

2 жыл бұрын

Not really... The directors said, for us to treasure that iconic moment it was slowed down from our perspective but to Thanos and his army's perspective, they probably arrived all at the same time.There was no awkward waiting in real time that is.

@diannajennings266

2 жыл бұрын

It's cinematic liberty and I'm glad they did it that way because the feeling was incredible around the world

@aakarshverma5793

2 жыл бұрын

That's the most stupid thing to do, attacking people coming out of nowhere is most dumbfk idea ever

@GordonSeal

2 жыл бұрын

@Ks The final battle already sucked, there was no tension, no question who's going to win and nothing interesting happening. It was just a shiny but meaningless visual mashup. With most of the "good guys" getting blasted right away, the odds would at least not be in the heroes favor and you would wonder how they are going to win this.

@Youfrbray

2 жыл бұрын

@@GordonSeal that a lie quit hating just bc this stupid KZreadr said it’s bad

Yes, however you must consider how the “final battle” was actually the second half of the whole fight and the initial “dread” scene was thanos beating up Thor iron man and captain America, and, even after captain America’s attempt to solo thanos, he ultimately fails. Then, when all hope seems lost, suddenly falcon’s voice cuts on and the portals open up. So from a whole battle perspective, the portal scene is really the climax and the rest is falling action. The whole hot potato game is very important of course as the stakes are still as high as ever, but the fight for the gauntlet and supreme power over the cosmos actually as a whole was nuanced.

@anujgoswami6182

Жыл бұрын

along with the fact that it was a fan service moment as a decade long saga finally comes to an end and the fans who have been there for a decade deserve that goosebump moments in the last fight of all fights. Also there was those 6 stones bouncing back and forth that have been introduced in a span of 10 years that kept most if not all people watching the movie at the edge. there still was the question of that avengers will win but at what cost what was the only way doctor strange was talking about.

Based on this explanation and the comparison to Helm's deep, I feel like this scene could have been saved with a few small but significant adjustments When Thanos first appears, the heroes have no backup. They're up against an overwhelming army that they are struggling not to get killed by, and Thanos doesn't even have to fight, he's just sitting back and watching. Eventually backup does arrive, a number of portals open up, and Dr Strange appears telling us that it's taking a lot of energy to bring so many people here and he needs time to get all of the players on the field. So now there's hope, but it's got the urgency of time running out as not everyone is there all at once. While reinforcements are slowly appearing, one or a few of the B-list heroes get killed by Thanos's army or Thanos himself. It's an extremely tragic moment, and it shows a lot of nearby heroes devastated at the loss. It hurts even more because some of these people just got brought back into existence only to die shortly after. There's also been occasionally some background heroes who don't have a name getting blown up or overwhelmed, so it makes it very clear that this army is a threat and lives are at stake. After one or two deaths, a lot more portals open up and that's the turning point for the heroes. They've already lost a number of allies, and they're resolving not to lose anymore. Then, when Iron Man finally sacrifices himself to end the battle, it hurts even more because even with reinforcements they had to lose the most important asset to the Avengers. They've acheived victory and saved the universe, but there was a multitude of costs in order to get that.

Man i just loved hearing the lord of the rings theme in the background

@hunterhankins4245

4 жыл бұрын

I love the The Ride of The Rohirrim

@AK-Drakoin

4 жыл бұрын

Trying to trick us with nostalgia. Plus the music is to pure for anyone to or in a video background. It belongs on its own or with the actual movie!

Doctor Strange saw all the outcomes, meaning he got to watch this epic version you came up with, but we didn't :( Lucky Doctor Strange

@TomEyeTheSFMguy

3 жыл бұрын

I guess the writers didn't see it.

@ryansean8371

3 жыл бұрын

He could just tell Iron Man to do the "I Am Iron Man" thing at the very beginning

@elianwilliams

3 жыл бұрын

Ryan Sean i doubt that would have worked, that plan working relied on Thanos thinking he’d already won therefore getting cocky and using the final moments to gloat rather than realise the stones are gone

@bruhbruh4635

3 жыл бұрын

The whole Dr. Strange shenanigans of seeing million versions of the future was made just to force a ''dramatic sacrifice'' as an ending. That's just bad and lazy writing.

@huntedskelly

3 жыл бұрын

@@bruhbruh4635 Actually, I disagree. I think doctor strange did see many of the futures, and there were many that they won, but all the ones where they won required doctor strange to tell Tony that there was only 1 way. If Tony believed there were other ways, he wouldn't have made that sacrifice. So DoctorStrange had to tell him that for them all to be able to win

Great video! I definitely learned a lot from it. Though I do have a small issue with your "fix" of Endgame. I feel like if the Avengers had to once again defend something from Thanos (like they defended Vision in Infinity War), the movie would've been too similar to its prequel. Maybe the twist this time around could be the Avengers attacking Thanos and his army in his lair/base so that they can get the glove off of him and snap him away.

I completely agree with your points raised. I would’ve liked to see more teamwork in this scene. Imagine they have to pierce the ship’s shield by having Star Lord use the power stone (referencing the ending of the first Guardians movie)

While I did t hate the finale, the fight scene on Titan in Infinity War is simply a lot better because it has a clear goal and you an easily follow their moves

@condawg5984

2 жыл бұрын

I love that fight sooooo much. The teamwork and desperation to take down thanos’ raw power was crazy

@uveshpanja6293

Жыл бұрын

I love the team work it wasn't not forced like it's only on iron man even mantis had best moment to make Thanos sleep

@bowhunter8532

Жыл бұрын

Infinity War was 100X better in every way

@glo2fr823

Жыл бұрын

It’s always interesting how people who do nothing but watch movies always have the most to complain about, these things take time and a lot of effort. Here come u bold movie reviewers tearing down everything they don’t like about it. Never created nothing in their lives but reaction videos to OTHER peoples work. Just appreciate that is even there for u to watch it’ll never be perfect cuz we all have different views

@tristanreimers423

Жыл бұрын

@@glo2fr823 JUST CONSUME, DONT QUESTION JUST ENJOY E V E R Y T H I N G

Infinity war's scene at wakanda was very good, thanos' generals or whatever had a strategy to infiltrate the base and get what they want.

@crimsonhunter7598

4 жыл бұрын

@El Bearsidente well they're not cowards so they fight close

@crimsonhunter7598

4 жыл бұрын

But the black order was still pretty weak

@CrowderHatingConservative

4 жыл бұрын

@@crimsonhunter7598 You mean they were stupid? Only the dumb fight fair.

@RK-ep8qy

4 жыл бұрын

Crimson Hunter hats not strategy, you fire at the enemies from far away to thin them down and then charge. It's why nearly every army in history had archers and then canons too.

@crimsonhunter7598

4 жыл бұрын

But it would have sucked if everyone just hid behind the force field, shot thanos army with canons and that's it

Its wired how non-violent this fight scene felt 😂

The whole time I was begging that Strange would at least try using the portal to sever Thanos' gauntlet arm. But it never happens. Sure, portals are OP, but it'd be nice to at least have an excuse for the obvious unused strategies.

Video: "Now before you hit disli--" Dislikes: "I am iNEvitBLe"

@oakleyhasafoot7878

4 жыл бұрын

27DJMA this video: and I.... am... an opinion

@tarnishedpose

4 жыл бұрын

@@oakleyhasafoot7878 look at little mcu fanboy Jr Gonna cry?

@oakleyhasafoot7878

4 жыл бұрын

Nicolas S. How am I an MCU fan boy if this guy said the final fight wasn’t good and I said it was an opinion?

@TheCloserLook

4 жыл бұрын

Dread it, run from it, the dislikes still arrive all the same.

@joshgroban5291

4 жыл бұрын

@@oakleyhasafoot7878 it's a joke

I could never put my finger on why I didn't like Endgame as much as Infinity War until now! This was it! A major lack of tension throughout the entire film!!!

@maddiesinger5414

4 жыл бұрын

Yup true, but the Time Heist was tense imo. The final act wasn't though

@TheStraightestWhitest

4 жыл бұрын

That's because we knew what'd happen in this one. Infinity War, from its very name, to its trailers, to its music and setting, was unlike the rest of the MCU. It was by far the greatest thing they've ever made. Endgame was in my opinion one of the worst. I didn't feel the need to go see it in cinemas, and I literally fell asleep watching it at home. I didn't even fall asleep during Black Panther, so imagine that!

@_JayRamsey_

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheStraightestWhitest I recently watched Endgame for the first time, at home; my son had to tell me how it ended. I didn't even realise I'd fallen asleep because of how assured victory was by the point of the last battle.

@jp-zp3ds

4 жыл бұрын

Straight White Male black panther was good though

@LordMegatron-qk2gz

4 жыл бұрын

Endgame is still great and I would not call it bad. Haters.

Your redo of the endgame battle. Just listening to it. Gave me chills. Very well done.

I always thought something was missing from this scene but I didn’t know what it was. You summed it up perfectly

Kid: “What’s the best thing about your generation?” Me: “I got to see The Battle Of Helm’s Deep on the big screen as a kid.”

@rainbowfury1019

3 жыл бұрын

It was not the final battle that made the memorable bit of Endgame for me. It was Cap wielding Mjolnir.

@adrianrocha49

3 жыл бұрын

I watched the battle at the Black Gates in the theaters though, I was younger so I didn't really appreciate it at the time, I definitely do now.

@benjarvis7485

3 жыл бұрын

Good lord what a great piece of cinematic history we got to be apart of

@Puppy_Puppington

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man I loved going to see LOTR on the big screen :,) my mom is the bestest. Then on my b day or x mas I could get one of those expensive detailed articulate figurines !!!

@marisp2588

3 жыл бұрын

I'm so jealous.. I was still a bit too young to watch them when they came out so I never got to see them in the theaters..

TLDR: Props to the CGI Artists, The writers are lacking,

@galaxydogenut9801

2 жыл бұрын

Yep.

@floweyfangirl69420

2 жыл бұрын

Yep.²

@justtrying1952

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. (3)

@galaxydogenut9801

2 жыл бұрын

@@justtrying1952 Yep x 4.

@taisonbertalam2832

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. ❺

Great lesson on what went wrong (and right!) with the scene. Very nicely done. Oddly, after all these years, it just occurred to me how strange it is that Captain Marvel didn't put on the gauntlet and use it after picking it up from Spider Man. Sure, everyone else was likely to die if they tried but... I mean really? She is Captain Invincible God and it never occurs to her to use the gauntlet?

I went back and watched Helms Deep to refresh my memory (it’s been like 20 years) and I think it’s an impossible comparison that you’re trying to make. Helms Deep in LOTR involves only a few individual standout main characters, who direct the battle, and they engage in solo one on one fights that we are privy to throughout the scene but for the most part the armies on both sides are full of no name extras who are there to be told what to do. Also, they are behind a castle wall, which gives the enemy a single obvious goal (get through the wall and overwhelm the defenders) and the heroes a single obvious purpose (defend the civilians). Because of these two facts, the few main characters can orchestrate huge actions involving hundreds of soldiers all working towards the same goal, and in this way the battle can be constructed into one single narrative: the first approach of the enemy, the loosing of the first volleys of arrows in return, the scaling of the castle walls, the repelling of the invaders, the explosion that finally breaches the wall, the enemy’s main charge, the counterattack by Aragorn’s forces, etc. etc. etc. This is all possible because the setting is a castle, and because there are only 4 or 5 main characters who need to get heroic action moments. Contrast that with what’s going on in Avengers: there’s no obvious obstacle for either the enemy or the heroes to overcome- just a mad scramble to find and control the glove- and every single character (like frigging 30 or 40 of them) are contractually required to get their own heroic moments of action. This is obviously going to degenerate into a melee free for all, and I dont think there’s a damn thing the Russos or anyone else could have done to make it more like Helms Deep. It’s an impossible task. I think considering the limitations/challenges of this scene it actually held together extremely well (I know this isn’t what you meant, but the visual continuity is actually astonishing; all of these incredible visuals happening simultaneously and you never lose track of the action, nor your orientation within the battle space; that’s a credit to the visual effects supervisor and the editor).

"You can't do what a child does with it's toys." Lol. that sums it up perfectly.

@ezekielglenn5009

4 жыл бұрын

That sums up the mcu

@AZ30590

4 жыл бұрын

They shoulda went with what an adult does with their toys

@RM-cn8pw

4 жыл бұрын

D J It literally doesn’t at all.

@thonk1914

4 жыл бұрын

in my opinion, make a movie fun especially a super hero movie mashing your toys together and making a huge battle is fun if you can turn that into a movie and make it fun then I'm happy

@RM-cn8pw

4 жыл бұрын

ZEDreality You mean just put them on a shelf to collect dust, and in some cases, not even take them out of the box?

I did not think anyone would have the guts to make a video with THAT title. I salute you.

@kykel4948

4 жыл бұрын

He was able to do it because he was also able to back it up. Lots of good points that I had issues with myself when I saw the movie. The ending, while impactful with Tony's demise was otherwise a CGI character showboat of little story value. So much missed potential.

@thomaszhang5437

4 жыл бұрын

its called justified clickbait

@bird9230

4 жыл бұрын

Article writing 101. Controversial is better than factual.

@DocMortsnarg

4 жыл бұрын

What a hero, omg, he bravely made clickbait when no one else would

@danielred5470

4 жыл бұрын

MrMortsnarg considering he did what he titled. Then it is not clickbait.

I literally just found your channel, but I already love your channel. Looks like I found a new binge-worthy content creator💜💜💜

Dude the whole point of the fight was to be a gigantic "hell yeah!" moment, the most satisfying and expensive use of fan service I can remember. It never occured to me that it honestly could've been a lot better because it was just so satisfying, but I do love almost all of your ideas. The only one I'm iffy on is the idea that if you use the gauntlet you turn to ash just like everyone else in the snap, mostly because I loved Tony's funeral scene. But he was cremated anyway so idk.

@blinkachu5275

Жыл бұрын

Exactly this. Some people just don't want to enjoy things, it's like they're perpetually angry and need any moment to show this off to bring other people's enjoyment down. The final battle in EndGame literally doesn't matter on the grand scheme of things, it's just a moment for every hero to shine.

There is nothing strategic about the battle at all, and you're absolutely right about Thanos' army. No one even asks how Thanos managed to rally such forces well in advance of ever having the plan that led to all this in the first place; his only motivation _is_ being threatened before he is an actual threat, and in that case there is no reason for anyone to support motives that do not yet exist.

@legendarybroly2

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he went to the thanos in the main tL army and told them hes from the past and has a new plan

@andrewpresley8676

Жыл бұрын

@@legendarybroly2 Nah I think we should think of it like they said in the movie or should I say we should use an example from Back to the Future or Doctor Who, Person A goes through time to the future, sets Space-Time coordinates so Person Ω has time to gather his entire army together. Oh you know it’s just a bunch of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.

The problem with the end of endgame is that they aren’t fighting Thanos. They’re fighting “Thanos from the past” who has nothing to do with what happened. He was shoehorned in the story because they needed a final boss.

@JohnSmith-ns6dp

4 жыл бұрын

Normis Yeah. Seeing him beheaded at the start of the movie ruined the movie immediately.

@arthurmorgan1830

4 жыл бұрын

John Smith i dont know all about that🤷‍♂️,i feel like thanos had his time to shine,the movie was about the avengers and it only needed okay villain

@natyinthehouse

4 жыл бұрын

John Smith it’s called a plot twist. In the day we live in, we don’t get surprised about what the plot of movies are anymore, especially blockbusters. Thanos was dead and there was nothing anyone else could do so it was over. The characters completely lost hope that anything could change what happened. Then Ant-Man returns and so does the hope of the Avengers. Then time travel. Then they succeeded. And the battle is their second chance to protect everything they lost and they’re gonna do it right this time. It’s the same exact stakes and they know the consequences all too well. Thanos might be from 2014, but he knows everything that happens from Nebula’s memories and he seriously sees the Avengers as a threat rather than an obstacle. He actually got to see his ideal world after his death. It’s not like he was told that he succeeded and that some people were trying to undue it in the future. He knows the threat because of Nebula and sends the Nebula loyal to him through time. In Infinity War, Thanos spends half the movie underestimating the Avengers until the very end. Endgame he brings the big guns and does it himself because there is no underestimations here. He’s from the past, but he is smarter because he learned from the mistakes his future self makes. Don’t underestimate thanos just because he’s from 2014.

@M_k-zi3tn

4 жыл бұрын

No no. Whether it's Thanos from years ago or the present one, he's still the same ball sack chin, Pokemon Bruce Willis guy who has taken it upon himself to play God and erase half of life. So he has just about everything to do with what happened.

@d_fendr6222

3 жыл бұрын

I also dont like how they just made him a comically evil villain.

The Big 3 against Thanos after every other Avenger has fallen would have been such a great plot set up, especially if it were the very last fight of the battle.

Loved your alternate version!! You really need to share more stories like that!!

My main gripe with is was how the Black Order became extremely small characters. They were super strong in IW, and then they just get dealt with on the battle field no problem in Endgame.

@udontfeelsogood9037

2 жыл бұрын

@Just a guy who's a hero for fun 2014*

@brox6077

2 жыл бұрын

I think they were still well past 30 in 2014 who knows what their lifespan is

@dollyonelly4564

2 жыл бұрын

i feel it's because there was so many characters there to fight them off where as in IW, there was only a few fighting each other at a time

@tutorialslave

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Each of them should've killed at least one named character, such as Wong, War Machine, Kraglin, Mantis etc.

@wilsonkelman986

2 жыл бұрын

@@tutorialslave what a stupid idea

Actual conversation when watching Endgame with my buds: "What's Captain Marvel's powers?" "Damage." "Why is she here?" "Damage."

@AaBbCcDdEeFfGgHhliJj

4 жыл бұрын

More like: - What's Captain Marvel's powers? - Gender empowering...

@basedandcumpilled5523

4 жыл бұрын

her power is simply *Getting Stronger* with no explanation whatsoever

@yoqueen9366

4 жыл бұрын

I mean add game was filmed before captain marvel....

@NatsumiMichi

4 жыл бұрын

Thanos kicking her ass into the dirt was a definite highlight of the battle. Funny how they establish a damn near supersayian character that eventualyl proceeds to fail at even the most basic of tasks. Like 500m obstacle track run glove delivery. And she can *fly*.

@artisticiguana3590

4 жыл бұрын

Endgame was filmed before captain marvel, so her abilities weren’t very clear. They just tried to make her important and although it didn’t work very well, she still proved a vital character in the battle.

I think that Endgame's final fight does a great job when you look it as a "for the rule of cool" point of view. I enjoyed the storytelling point of view in this video. Made me notice things that I didn't see.

In the Infinify War climax every Superhero in Wakanda was getting destroyed by the Chitari until Thor showed up but in Endgame the most harm caused to any hero after the portal scene was Star Lord being kicked in the balls

This makes me realize how little I remember of Endgame.

@talhamaab

4 жыл бұрын

i mean it was a grwat film but forgetful one

@bugsyyyyyy

4 жыл бұрын

MiotaLee Exactly! The only memorable part is the final battle

@PerfectDark0

4 жыл бұрын

_____ COMING TO AN END??? The DCEU or whatever will NEVER overpower the MCU. That’s pure fact

@pretendtheresaname9213

4 жыл бұрын

@_____ Joker was pretty bad.

@spookyhours607

4 жыл бұрын

pretend there's a name it actually wasn’t.

Don’t defend the woman scene. I agree with most of this but woman scene was dreadfully forced and annoying

@helplesslylost5903

2 жыл бұрын

100%

@mx.unfunny

2 жыл бұрын

Yes absolutely

@BonzerMrT

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly it’s not that memorable. And it really wasn’t that long for it to matter.

@scarlett9750

2 жыл бұрын

If they don’t do it then the feminists will mad.

@kveld9893

2 жыл бұрын

@@BonzerMrT if it's not memorable why are you still talking about it 2 years later

Man, I got chills when you described that Hulk scene. That would have been so much better

I saw a comment saying one of two things I wanted to say, so I will reiterate that and then say my piece. One, the climax of the film is the battle because it's been established that Thanos is coming to the future to keep his work from being undone, but the ultimate goal of the Avengers and the movie has been completed by the time he does that. The snap has been undone, and the world and its heroes have been restored. The "climax" didn't feel underwhelming to me, personally, because it felt like the heroes had won before the fight even began. Thanos's army is literally a bunch of mooks, after all; what hope did they have against literally all of Earth's greatest heroes? The stakes existed because the destruction of the base separated the heroes from the gauntlet, but Thanos had a snowball's chance in hell of actually pulling the snap off again... and so the fact that he STILL almost does is pretty incredible. I do still agree that the battle could have been written better for more drama and tension and such, but I just wanted to point out that, uh... Everything you suggested, they did in Infinity War. Thanos was on his way with all but the mind stone, his army was beating on Wakanda's barrier, and the heroes present were fighting tooth and nail to prevent him from reaching Vision before they could remove the stone from his head. The heroes were under siege, and the enemy constantly gained ground; the heroes would take out one of Thanos's lieutenant, granting hope, but the side of good as a whole would lose ground, granting dread. Then, when it really looked like everything was over, Thor came down with his brand new axe and single-handedly turned the tide of the battle... the last-minute reinforcements. The only difference is, in his anger and quest for vengeance, Thor dragged out his killing of Thanos, causing the Avengers to lose. If he had smote Thanos, it would have been exactly what you said. Marvel's Helms Deep. If they did that again here, everyone would have flamed them for it. The battle could have been better, but it couldn't have been Helms Deep, because they already made that.

in conclusion: lotr is a masterpiece

@gttown8896

4 жыл бұрын

YAAAAAASSSS

@matthewsawczyn6592

3 жыл бұрын

Always the conclusion

@legrandliseurtri7495

3 жыл бұрын

@Laltluangliana Sailop Gosh I hope not.

@Rex67Diego9

3 жыл бұрын

@@legrandliseurtri7495 it will always be a masterpiece

@jeremybrown9611

3 жыл бұрын

Because they did large scale battles better. They understand the importance of scaling, individuality and also the importance of UNITS

I loved the buildup to the fight instead of the actual fight.

@andreasalazar6710

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! The build up it's the one that feels incredible because it actually relials in everything that came before and lead to this moment

@thesmartonesback2650

3 жыл бұрын

Build up is better than payoff most of the time because pay offs are hard to do you have to look at every aspect of the build up and payoff all of it and that hard.

@bryanwoo8415

2 жыл бұрын

The big three vs Thanos was better but the "portals" scene is so epic

@nachiket7565

2 жыл бұрын

@@thesmartonesback2650 You ever watched code Geass?

@fungusz_4292

2 жыл бұрын

ofc

I agree that the battle that we got certainly could have been better, especially if it had relied less on fan-service, but I could still feel the stakes at some moments, such as when Thanos did destroy the time machine van, the heroes' supposed last hope, which I think you missed since you said that it would've been better if the heroes were working on building a new time machine. Another moment was the last dash for the gauntlet, which had me on the edge of my seat. It was flawed, but ultimately I think the battle was still a satisfying conclusion for the Infinity Saga of the MCU.

truthfully, all of it really felt like a battle we all saw before, there were some moments that did stand out during battle, such as captain America wielding Mjolnir or tonys snap, however, most of it just really felt like the same battle we have saw in each and every single marvel movie just all put into one, they didnt use some characters to their maximum potential like iron man not having his army of suits come back or especially the hulk not finding his anger again while overutilizing some characters that dont seem interesting enough yet to warrant that much screen like captain marvel or pre far from home spiderman

Here's the thing: The fight in LOTR is like a multiplayer match in a videogame; It feels real, every soldier is out their with their own objectives and goals to complete on top of just killing the enemy, and every single soldier has the chance to turn the tide of the battle. There is a tangible sense that either side could win. The fight in End game is like a war sequence in a single player game; it's a backdrop to the player and no matter what you do it will always end the same way, even if you stand there and do nothing the fight will end the same way, either your NPC Allies will continue to progress in endless waves inevitably overrunning the enemy, or, your NPC Allies will kill enough enemies to trigger an unavoidable cutscene where you lose. There is a false sense of "anyone could win" but it's an easily shattered façade.

@chrisdawson1776

4 жыл бұрын

Perfect analogy

@sebasmartinsm

4 жыл бұрын

@The Path That Rocks cant kill her though cause that would be sexist and we have to hold Hollywood to their patriarchy crimes

@havelyntherockelyn1576

4 жыл бұрын

I completely agree this was an excellent analogy! Take the like

@genericprotagonist2842

4 жыл бұрын

@The Path That Rocks I didn't have any real game in mind when I typed this comment. But for reference, one that I know well myself for the single player war sequences are any of the battles in Call of Duty: World at War. When I used to play it I'd sit back and simply spectate the two armies fight it out, inevitably the Allies would overwhelm the Axis forces every single time no matter what difficulty it was on simply because the Allies spawned endlessly and there where a limited number of Axis soldiers.

@dannypalin9583

4 жыл бұрын

Generic Protagonist This. What spoiled the finale in Endgame is that even in the midst of a big battle, characters can stand around and talk and the opposing side won't even try to attack them while they're distracted.

I really like how you did the Hulk part. They completely killed off the raging Hulk in the movie

@jinxsauce5095

3 жыл бұрын

I think that's one missed opportunity

@benl.4577

3 жыл бұрын

I absolutely hate how they butchered Hulk in this one.

@k1legend175

3 жыл бұрын

@@benl.4577 and Thor

@benl.4577

3 жыл бұрын

@@k1legend175 Imo I like how they handled thor a bit. He was too comedic at times and was made the butt of the joke way too much than necessary, but him dealing with his mother's death as well as being sort of useless because of his regret and insecurities is really interesting.

@k1legend175

3 жыл бұрын

@@benl.4577 it would’ve been fine if they had turned Thor back into how he was in infinity war later on around the time they start time travelling back for the stones but instead keeping him like that for the whole movie really just made a lot of the scenes with him way less serious then were intended to be because of Thor’s appearance

So what's the problem with a big fight scene? We waited ten years for a big bad showdown and got it. It wasn't the climax - it was the build-up to the climax (Tony getting the gauntlet).

Imagine if they had gone back to 2018 titan with captain marvel because they feel more confident in their current team, to attempt to take the stones and lose, 2018 Thanos travels to the future and now they have to fight the same stronger Thanos but now they both need the stones. That would make the battle more personal and give it higher stakes. Just an idea

I really like the idea of Hulk losing his absolute mind after Black Widow's death in your scenario. Not only does it give the idea of a shift in hope, but can also lead to more complications. Bruce has now ditched his effort to fix the hypothetical time machine in order to tear through the armies, and we've seen him before in the series of giving no care for the environment, so it possibly creates a bit of a weakness in the hypothetical fortification as he barrels out to thrash the army, leading to a mixture of both hope and dread. Yes, we see Hulk do his Hulk thing, but as a result it's also created at least TWO complications in the situation: one less person helping with the hypothetical Time Machine, and now part of their defenses have been traded for offense. Good tension.

@Margen67

Жыл бұрын

Pikachu needs HUGS

@F76CC

Жыл бұрын

But then you would’ve had to find something different to not like about the movie.

@Pok-qq9lt

Жыл бұрын

in my head.. as he had describes it i saw it .. and had goose bumps from the sheer terror that would be displayed. also its a very tragic moment, because a charackter consumed by wrath, anger and pure hate is one of the saddest things that can happen. (the way of darth vader) one by one... an avanger would fall in this war and so the survivors would change. that would be a great story.

@kaled8839

Жыл бұрын

@@F76CC if there are things not to like why is it bad to address them? to critique art is to truly wish the best for it, and current marvel.. needs FAR more critique at the top line

@rileyolson6008

Жыл бұрын

When he threw the stool in the lake I was like… really…………………………. Das it

For all the fan service that was in this film, it absolutely pales in comparison to what they could've done if the Infinity Stones were utilized properly: -Imagine Thor loading the Power Stone into Stormbreaker and then fighting Thanos with a partially complete Gauntlet. -Imagine hundreds of wizards and Asgardians fighting in vain to slow down Thanos while he has the Reality Stone. -Imagine either side all-but-winning the fight only for someone to use the Time Stone. So much of what made Infinity War so great was the creative fight scenes that were only made possible because of the Infinity Stones and now it's all over. Marvel will never have an opportunity like this again.

@TheCloserLook

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly, the infinity stones had so much cool potential for uses for utterly terrifying the audience with how powerful they are. And it was never used :/

@Jaslath

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheCloserLook Because if the stones were used in such a fashion the heroes would have never won. At least not with any believability.

@optimusprime8609

4 жыл бұрын

@@revolverswitch Plz explain

@bluechick7113

4 жыл бұрын

I‘ve never thought about it that way and I want to thank you for this amazing idea! I particularly love the image of the wizards vs the reality stone

@Ixe2077

4 жыл бұрын

Well, the 2015 Secret Wars is going to be implemented into the MCU in the future so I think we'll see even crazier shit there, or you can wait for Doctor Strange 2 because that's supposed to be totally bonkers.

Oh my gosh! Your explanation of why the fight doesn't work so well perfectly explained what I couldn't put my finger on. Why it had me on the edge of my seat until they started fighting. And you just talking through the improved version got me so much more amped up than watching the actual movie! I wish that your version was what actually happened so bad

Antman : doest shrinks or use ants Wanda : never uses mindcontrol Dr.strange : afk Spiderman : more like spidertech Hulk : nerfed + healing ability removed Starlord : was a celestial Thor : huge nerf after infinity war Iron man : gets hit in head & slept Captain "AMERICA" gets spotlight, does everying even thor's combo Still a good movie but couldn't top infinity war

Honestly, I prefer infinity war over endgame But like both

@harshchoudhary9623

4 жыл бұрын

me too

@kuukkeli6984

4 жыл бұрын

@Biswajit Roy man of culture

@charliefarson1362

4 жыл бұрын

I prefer Iron man..Captain america the first avenger. Thor : ragnarok..well..you get the point.

@ianbailey4213

4 жыл бұрын

I don't even really like Infinity War. It's trying to do so much that it loses out on that classic marvel appeal (the character interactions) and it's novelty is in the fact of just how many characters are on screen.

@lucasb9285

4 жыл бұрын

@@ianbailey4213 not really its roller coster of emtions(infinito war)

The main part i liked about your rewrite is the Hulk part. He never got a conclusion to his story, part one he gets his ass kicked and literally wont come out. Part 2....hes just a wimp now.

@aaaamar4u

3 жыл бұрын

It's called subverting expectations just because it didn't serve wet dreams of fans doesn't mean it didn't serve the character arc. Bruce explains in the film in good dialogue about how he and hulk lost twice when they lost in infinity war. He is the one who brought them all back and it serves the purpose of narrative and his character arc. It breaks the cliche of hulk being hulky and nothing else. How long are we going to see the same old hulk? People really got bored in age of Ultron, at least they rediscovered his character with Ragnarok and pushed him to something else. The same with fat thor. It's good character writing and they definitely can't please everyone especially not fan boys who act like petulant children.

@bulbasaurboy9893

3 жыл бұрын

Marvel Studios would probably have liked a movie to explain more about the Hulk backstory after the travesty of "The Incredible Hulk". But they don't have rights, and you can't expect a Hulk backstory in a film like this, with such massive plots.

@aaronwishard7093

3 жыл бұрын

@Vela S If they even bother to respond to your comment I'm expecting to see "Rian Johnson is the best story teller of all time because he ALWAYS subverts your expectations." Or perhaps, "The only story is a story you'll never be able to predict". Since as you pointed out the formula for Hulk stories is nearly a century old. Truly it's even older than that when you look at the basic roots. And it's Jekyll and Hyde. Instead of having some magic potion do the deed it's radiation. Instead of it being good vs evil, it's more akin to the conscious vs subconscious. Let the inner anger and turmoil win, but at what cost. Because Hulk has been treated as the original "Super Powered Bad Side" that anime took to the 11th degree or even further. That means that the good, and the bad, parts of that trope come out in just about any Hulk story. The bad is when we realistically can't predict exactly what power level he's going to be at. The good part is that it's predictable what triggers it. Granted yes I know the comics have an actual better scale of how he would be per power level, but in the Movies specifically, even before Endgame "subverted our expectations", to me he always felt like he was never concrete.

@tristan8940

3 жыл бұрын

I feel similarly; it felt like they killed the Hulk offscreen after a good bit of character development over several movies. Hurt bad.

@jacobd1984

3 жыл бұрын

Part 2 is, Hulk and Banner have reconciled and merged into one. He’s not nearly as aggressive, but he’s not a wimp either. The problem is, they just told us what the conclusion of the story was. It was a fine idea, but unlike Thor falling into depression, not the kind of thing you get to just leave offscreen.

I feel like no matter what using time travel is lame cause there is zero stakes in anything if you can just undo whatever happened with ease

The thing they needed to do to make this fight good, is to do the long take of the avengers like the first avengers movie, but instead of just them, its one by one, everyone doing something, every single character. That would have made it amazing

I hated scarlet witch in the movies because the movies never improved her for me while in Wandavision I absolutely love her character

@Skyewardbound

3 жыл бұрын

Wandavision made me appreciate AoU a hell of a lot more

@mawinstallation6626

3 жыл бұрын

Civil War tho...

@Xenpen6

3 жыл бұрын

I eeally likes he rin the movies but wanda vision made me LOVEE her

@spritemon98

3 жыл бұрын

@@mawinstallation6626 in civil war it felt like their romance was a bit forced

@alexanderrique579

3 жыл бұрын

Improved how ? Because in every appearance her powers grow and get stronger compare her from age of Ultron to endgame her powers have developed by leaps and bounds and her character changes and improves so I'm wondering what you mean

love how this video provided not only criticism but also solutions and examples of how this sequence could have been improved!

@mrpedrobraga

2 жыл бұрын

That's what criticism is supposed to be like!!!!

@goratuti1098

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what constructive criticism is

@mastermuffin3950

2 жыл бұрын

thats what i like about this channel so much

@Bozopeoples

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously, I hate when people criticize without giving any insight on how something could've been better, just makes them seem like negative assholes

@KangarooMonkey

2 жыл бұрын

His examples was just copying Lord of the Rings, and I'll admit it would've been better but you could improve almost any movie scene by ripping off Lord of the Rings.

The end game fight feels like playing the same level the whole time, while the helmsdeep siege feels like you’re actually progressing and playing the game