Why Is It So Hard to Tell the Sex of a Dinosaur?

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While we think we know a lot about dinosaurs - like how they moved and what they ate - for a long time, we haven’t been able to ID one seemingly basic thing about their biology...
Which are males and which are females?
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  • @hentailover3659
    @hentailover36592 ай бұрын

    I saw that my friend had “dinosaur sex” on his google search history a lot so I sent him this because I thought he’d be interested.

  • @Shantosh9550
    @Shantosh95502 ай бұрын

    Do an episode about prehistoric India when the subcontinent was an island before it crashed into Asia.

  • @fannymcflanagan2732

    @fannymcflanagan2732

    2 ай бұрын

    This would be great!

  • @nebulan

    @nebulan

    2 ай бұрын

    Oooh that'd be cool.

  • @falcoskywolf

    @falcoskywolf

    2 ай бұрын

    Adding agreement to this request!

  • @carlosalbuquerque22

    @carlosalbuquerque22

    2 ай бұрын

    That'd be amazing

  • @nebulan

    @nebulan

    2 ай бұрын

    If i remember right, it will involve discussions of lemurs.

  • @prophetofthe8th
    @prophetofthe8th2 ай бұрын

    It makes sense that sex of dinosaurs would be hard to distinguish. One being bird and reptile related, without colour patterns and feathers or eggs, theres no identifying features to base any differences on. Adding to this, some species of reptiles are very prone to hormonal changes and genetics designating sex in eggs or amphibians, and the existence of reproduction like parthogenisis.

  • @MrJeffcoley1

    @MrJeffcoley1

    2 ай бұрын

    Interesting side note - in mammals (such as humans) the sex chromosomes are X and Y, males are XY females are XX. In birds (and presumably dinosaurs) it's a different set of chromosomes, Z and W. The male is ZZ, the female is ZW.

  • @user-wj1kg8qo3p

    @user-wj1kg8qo3p

    2 ай бұрын

    I wonder if reptiles go through hormone washes that develope varying sexual characteristics and variations after birth like humans

  • @user-wj1kg8qo3p

    @user-wj1kg8qo3p

    2 ай бұрын

    @@stewberryexpress Clearly not binary, gametes aren't the end of it

  • @ajchapeliere

    @ajchapeliere

    2 ай бұрын

    "No [other] identifying features"? My person, multiple other features, including /body size/ were mentioned. There are plenty of features we probably could use. We just can't use them effectively yet because we don't have enough specimens to perceive patterns. Don't make the mistake of thinking "we don't have enough data to see the pattern" is the same as "there is no pattern".

  • @user-wj1kg8qo3p

    @user-wj1kg8qo3p

    2 ай бұрын

    @@ajchapeliere MANY other identifying features. While a tall female with short hair and higher than average bone density isn't a male. A female with short hair, deliberately deepened voice, chosen name, and adopted masculine social behavior could be a Man. T

  • @maillardsbearcat
    @maillardsbearcat2 ай бұрын

    Two distinct species could actually be sexual dimorphism and we would have no idea

  • @Someone-sq8im

    @Someone-sq8im

    2 ай бұрын

    Angler fish lore

  • @eragon78

    @eragon78

    2 ай бұрын

    This has actually happened with EXISTING Extant species where we thought two specimen were different species, but it turned out they just had extreme sexual dimorphism and were actually the same species. So if that can happen with Extant species, its not too far fetched to think it could happen with extinct ones too. This also applies to adults vs juveniles as well. These can also sometimes appear like different species even when they arent.

  • @MelyssaAKASkittlez

    @MelyssaAKASkittlez

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@eragon78What species?

  • @MCcheezewizard

    @MCcheezewizard

    2 ай бұрын

    @@eragon78 Our knowledge of sexual dimorphism within extant species is probably exactly the reason for the original comment.

  • @boraxmacconachie7082

    @boraxmacconachie7082

    2 ай бұрын

    @@MelyssaAKASkittlez I don't know which ones eragon was thinking of, but one famous example is the eclectus parrot. The males and females are completely different colours, and people thought they were two species. They were trying to breed them in captivity by putting males with males and females with females. At least, that's the story I heard

  • @LeoDomitrix
    @LeoDomitrix2 ай бұрын

    Grew up on a farm. "Sexing chicks" was bad enough. (To tell male from female chicken chicks.) Do that a few years as a kid, and the thought "sex the dino" is basically a NO WAY!

  • @MrJeffcoley1

    @MrJeffcoley1

    2 ай бұрын

    Lift the baby dino by the feet. If it just hangs there passively it’s female, if it fights you it’s male. Supposedly works for chicks, just need to locate a nest of dinosaur hatchings

  • @jamesredmond7001
    @jamesredmond70012 ай бұрын

    Setting aside how cool it is that we can (potentially) tell something like this about a creature that's been dead for over 65 million years, can I just say that I love how well this showcases the scientific process? Someone finds some interesting technique or concept, and backs it up with evidence. Someone else is skeptical, and provides their own evidence as to why. The first person goes out and (maybe?) conclusively backs up their points with brilliant evidence. This is fundamentally what science is about, and I love seeing it on full display here.

  • @rickseiden1
    @rickseiden12 ай бұрын

    Wait! Wait just a second! Are you telling me that the T-Rex in Chicago might be a "boy named Sue?"

  • @GryphonBrokewing

    @GryphonBrokewing

    2 ай бұрын

    Great post!

  • @mihirshetye4624

    @mihirshetye4624

    2 ай бұрын

    The Johnny Cash Song !! Yup,daddy T-Rex knew the world was tough,so to make his son T-Rex strong enough to get through it,he named him "Sue"......

  • @leggonarm9835

    @leggonarm9835

    2 ай бұрын

    How do you do?

  • @dafttool
    @dafttool2 ай бұрын

    It’s sometimes difficult to tell the sexes of reptiles to this day, much less from (often incomplete) fossils. One has to be an expert, often probing the cloaca for bumps, counting them for male or female. Those bumps are soft tissue & internal, thus are rarely preserved

  • @TheCatsofVanRaptor
    @TheCatsofVanRaptor2 ай бұрын

    If Steve is still alive and watching, we appreciate you too

  • @karleybioanthro

    @karleybioanthro

    2 ай бұрын

    Steveeeee you there?

  • @falcolf

    @falcolf

    2 ай бұрын

    We miss you Steve!!!

  • @cheshireray5725
    @cheshireray57252 ай бұрын

    The museum I intern at here in Wyoming, has the 1st and only T-rex to stay in Wyoming. We don't know if its male or female; the body is small but a tail section is broken and healed over so maybe mated? The femur size is also small. Our rexes name is Lee :)

  • @tr0gd0r0090
    @tr0gd0r00902 ай бұрын

    I was always told that fossils are essentially "casts" of the original bones in rock. I wouldnt think that anything inside the bones could have ever been preserved. Thats amazing!

  • @TragoudistrosMPH
    @TragoudistrosMPH2 ай бұрын

    This is such a great overview of the scientific process, and an awesome video! My favorite channel!

  • @youremakingprogress144
    @youremakingprogress1442 ай бұрын

    I love the scientific process so much. It's so exciting when scientists think of new ways to test a hypothesis and potentially learn something new.

  • @M_Alexander
    @M_Alexander2 ай бұрын

    It crossed my mind that _T. rex_ evolved from much smaller ancestors so if it did use those bone deposits it could be vestigial

  • @eragon78

    @eragon78

    2 ай бұрын

    Something of that nature likely wouldnt be vestigial though since it requires a lot of resources to maintain. Producing new bone formations during egg production just to get rid of them later is expensive and would likely have pressure against it from happening if its no longer necessary. So it COULD be vestigial, but its likely not. Most vestigial traits are more or less benign and dont really help or hurt the creature's survival which is why they stick around. But it could also still just be used. Its very possible that the trait isnt vestigial at all and was still helpful to some degree which is why it stuck around.

  • @Ezullof

    @Ezullof

    2 ай бұрын

    @@eragon78 I mean, vestigial bones are very common in general. We humans have vestigial tail bones.

  • @eragon78

    @eragon78

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Ezullof Yea, but vestigial bones dont require as much energy to produce and maintain unlike a process that happens regularly. These types of bone formations form during the reproductive cycle for birds, they dont always exist in the bird's skeleton, only during a certain part of the reproductive cycle. This means it takes a lot of extra energy every reproductive cycle to both form, and then remove these formations. While its technically possible for something like this to be vestigial, its highly unlikely that such an energy wasteful process that isnt being used anymore would stick around. There would be a heavy selection bias against it. Compare that to a vestigial bone which usually shrink massively in size, and only form during fetal development, and the distinction is huge. The energy a fetal bone requires is a one time cost, and far lower than that of forming deposits in all your bones during every reproductive cycle. And even with that, the vestigial parts are almost always significantly smaller as a result of no longer being used. There is no sign of such a thing in dinosaurs. If this really was a vestigial trait, it would likely be far less of the bone structure, and would likely only exist in trace amounts. So its not IMPOSSIBLE that its vestigial, but its very unlikely that it is. Thats all im really saying.

  • @M_Alexander

    @M_Alexander

    2 ай бұрын

    @@eragon78 would it require extra resources or would it act as a redundant surplus that gets used regardless? Any trait that doesn't cause too severe of a hindrance tends to stick around

  • @eragon78

    @eragon78

    2 ай бұрын

    @@M_Alexander It might still get used back up and recycled, but im not sure. It still would be a net negative of energy though because changing the states of chemicals is always going to lead to a net loss of energy. No process is 100% efficient. Building those structures just to recycle them still has some energy cost, although if they are efficiently recycled, it may not be AS extreme which may allow them to stick around as vestigial. But its still going to have a negative energy cost associated with it, so if it is vestigial, then there would be signs of it becoming less and less extreme even if it still ends up existing. (Similar to how a vestigial limb or organ may shrink over time as a species evolves even if it still ultimately sticks around.). So if it is vestigial, there would probably be some evidence of that in the fossil record from dinosaurs that lived later on compared to those that lived earlier on. It also means that an ancestor of dinosaurs, or at least the ancestor of the TRex in this case, would have had to have that trait actually being used for it to become vestigial to begin with. So more archeological evidence should eventually turn up a more definitive answer. But im still pretty sure a system like this would likely be too energy intensive to stick around as a vestigial process, at least to the degree its found in fossils. I could be wrong though.

  • @drtrowb
    @drtrowb2 ай бұрын

    Love the face-tickling turtles!

  • @serpentarius1194
    @serpentarius11942 ай бұрын

    Something I'm surprised this video didn't touch on is that we do have other animals we've been able to reasonably extrapolate the sex of! Specifically pterosaurs, which aren't dinosaurs themselves but their closest relatives. Pteranodon is famous for having two different size morphs, the larger of which has a big sweeping crest whilst the smaller one has basically a nub. Considering they had been found together, and all other characteristics of their skeletons pointed to them being the same species, we already had some decent evidence of sexual dimorphism. This is further reinforced by immature specimens of both the large AND small morphs being present, indicating that the small morph itself wasn't just an immature version of the larger morph. Figuring out which is male and which is female specifically is still far from an exact science because of how much dimorphism can vary between species as touched on in this video, but it's fairly universally assumed that the large morph is the male, while the small one is the female. While females can be larger in dimorphic species, males being the larger one is more common among tetrapods, particularly so for males with a display structure just like in Pteranodon. Animals in which females are larger rarely also have display features, and vice versa. Additionally the smaller females seem to outnumber the larger males, which is also consistent with most modern day animals. While there are cases in which females take on multiple males (polyandry) it is much, much rarer than males taking multiple females (polygyny). Males can mate frequently and easily thus have little need to be as selective when choosing a mate, while females need to be more choosy about who they mate with due to the time and resources they have to put into reproduction, so in the majority of animals there's pressure to evolve a polygynous system rather than polyandrous. Again, this isn't universal, but it is by far the more common method of mate selection. Additionally, the smaller females seemed to have wider-set pelvic bones, likely to pass eggs more easily. It isn't reliable as the sole way to sex a skeleton because many species don't seem to have wider hips when you'd think it advantageous, plus it can vary a lot between individuals within a species (including us, hence why archaeologists try to use cultural signifiers such as what a person was buried with to determine sex rather than features of their skeleton). But with everything else in mind it's a pretty safe assumption that Pteranodon's have sexual dimorphism in which males are larger with big crests, while females are smaller with tiny crests.

  • @RavinRay
    @RavinRay2 ай бұрын

    I first read about medullary bone from a compilation of _Scientific American_ vertebrate articles that I bought, but I didn't realize at the time that it could be discerned in fossils until much later.

  • @FerventAstronomy
    @FerventAstronomy2 ай бұрын

    Ugh… I love dinosaurs sooooo much 🦖 never get tired of this!

  • @judylearn7971
    @judylearn79712 ай бұрын

    Fascinating episode. Well-explained research.

  • @snailcoochie
    @snailcoochie2 ай бұрын

    Will you guys be uploading to your podcast anytime soon?

  • @susanjane4784
    @susanjane47842 ай бұрын

    I'm so stupidly excited when a new Eons is posted. Always informative, great art, new ideas.

  • @Miamcoline
    @Miamcoline2 ай бұрын

    Absolutely fascinating debate and ace work by Schweitzer and her team! The new paper should have tested the large population sample for medulary bone tissue to see if it matched with the dimorphism characteristics! And always appreciate the mention of thanks for indigenous land and community help!

  • @dinodan7770
    @dinodan77702 ай бұрын

    Interesting that the tissue was still preserved after all those millions of years. I would love to see you guys do a video on the soft tissue that was also found within B-rex and other fossils since

  • @Maratusvolans
    @Maratusvolans2 ай бұрын

    I’m confused. Aren’t fossil bone molecules different from those of regular bone? Like totally different minerals? How is it then possible to compare staining between the two?

  • @marcob1729

    @marcob1729

    2 ай бұрын

    not all molecules are mineralized

  • @LincolnDWard

    @LincolnDWard

    2 ай бұрын

    Mostly, yes - but fossilization is a haphazard process that is unlikely to replace every single molecule. For the stain to work, there just needed to be enough of the molecules to start a chemical reaction (it's fine if they're mixed in with a lot of other minerals that weren't originally part of the bone tissue).

  • @vincentcyr3719

    @vincentcyr3719

    2 ай бұрын

    The structure stays the same

  • @naamadossantossilva4736

    @naamadossantossilva4736

    2 ай бұрын

    Some proteins stay in fossils for hundreds of millions of years.

  • @TragoudistrosMPH

    @TragoudistrosMPH

    2 ай бұрын

    If the minerals do not interfere with the binding site of the stain, it would still work. Great question, and a fortunate test type!

  • @michaelschiessl8357
    @michaelschiessl83572 ай бұрын

    Love this very interesting content Thank you!!

  • @jimmyzbike
    @jimmyzbike2 ай бұрын

    I always learn from your videos

  • @shantanusapru
    @shantanusapru2 ай бұрын

    Oh, this is fascinating!!

  • @suvajitdas9522
    @suvajitdas95222 ай бұрын

    Happy 200 years of Dinosaurs 🦖 Its been 200 years since Megalosarus was named…

  • @veggieboyultimate
    @veggieboyultimate2 ай бұрын

    Paleontology is so full of unresolved and troubling questions that causes scientists to argue about.

  • @adamgallyot9063

    @adamgallyot9063

    2 ай бұрын

    The reason why i love palaeontology. So many mysteries waiting to be unsolved

  • @Someone-sq8im

    @Someone-sq8im

    2 ай бұрын

    science lore

  • @takenname8053

    @takenname8053

    2 ай бұрын

    Yeah it makes it interesting!

  • @Ezullof

    @Ezullof

    2 ай бұрын

    ... thanks captain?

  • @thedistantprinceinyouremai6345

    @thedistantprinceinyouremai6345

    2 ай бұрын

    The dinolore is a hot topic for discussion I’ll never get tired of

  • @lancelobato
    @lancelobato2 ай бұрын

    I LOVE this cutting-edge paleonthology episodes. only PBS Terra brings this for us. thanks guys!

  • @SadiqAuwaluSani-ds7lb
    @SadiqAuwaluSani-ds7lb2 ай бұрын

    I watched you guys back in 2017 i love dinosaurs

  • @matthewanipen2418
    @matthewanipen24182 ай бұрын

    But...grandpa said all the dinosaurs are girls...

  • @MaddoxLightning
    @MaddoxLightning2 ай бұрын

    Thank you for so often acknowledging native land where fossils are found, and where episodes take place. ❤️

  • @scavenger188
    @scavenger1882 ай бұрын

    00:32 THIS CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD

  • @Someone-sq8im
    @Someone-sq8im2 ай бұрын

    Here, you’ve read a lot of lame comments. Have a bento 🍱

  • @devlynnmortesse6609
    @devlynnmortesse66092 ай бұрын

    Enjoyed the video! I prefer the slightly longer approach work more details

  • @loumbasss9798
    @loumbasss97982 ай бұрын

    very intresting as always

  • @Mohotashi
    @Mohotashi2 ай бұрын

    We need more investigation into the egg laying cycles of Emos. 😅

  • @kyrab7914
    @kyrab79142 ай бұрын

    It's an interesting question bc well we don't even really know what to base speculation on. As mentioned, many reptile species have larger females. They also do need quite a lot of calcium after laying, so much so that some species can die if they "double clutch" in a season. And then there's some reptiles that are viviparous or oviviviparous. But in any of the cases idk how we'd know for sure that was their method without finding a gravid female. And then there are crocs (yes ik they're a reptiles, but they do it a bit different) and birds.

  • @KingsleyIII
    @KingsleyIII2 ай бұрын

    The picture at 5:54 almost looks like a Magic Eye illusion.

  • @hellomoron
    @hellomoron2 ай бұрын

    I would love to see a study on the evolution of the humming bird!

  • @CoralRaeAllDay
    @CoralRaeAllDay2 ай бұрын

    I love the Eons content and hosts! Love that plug at the end for emonightbk, these ladies are the coolest!

  • @KenniBrisco
    @KenniBrisco2 ай бұрын

    This is interesting

  • @rafadono
    @rafadono2 ай бұрын

    I miss Steve :c

  • @Myself-yf5do
    @Myself-yf5do2 ай бұрын

    If modern birds are descended from dinosaurs, does that mean they are more related to dinosaurs than modern reptiles are? Also, does that mean that no birds existed when the dinosaurs existed?

  • @highfive7689
    @highfive76892 ай бұрын

    As always, thank you for your enjoyable & enlightening episodes. 👏🖖

  • @cynvision
    @cynvision2 ай бұрын

    Was listening along and got to the section on the study that theorized the structure was a more general bone disease and I'm like, "Well, can't tell the sex but might have found evidence of dinosaur syphilis." LOL

  • @vincentcyr3719
    @vincentcyr37192 ай бұрын

    Egg layers are referred to as "gravid," not "pregnant."

  • @clarehidalgo

    @clarehidalgo

    2 ай бұрын

    Both words are synonyms but you more often hear gravid used for thing that lay eggs and pregnant for thing that give live birth

  • @pierreabbat6157

    @pierreabbat6157

    2 ай бұрын

    I've seen a maternity clothing store in Brazil called A Grávida Vaidosa.

  • @TragoudistrosMPH

    @TragoudistrosMPH

    2 ай бұрын

    Humans, in medicine, ask *para* (children born) *grava* (pregnancies) status. (I wonder if any gave live birth?) However, modern birds lay one egg a day. Wouldn't they be pregnant but not carrying eggs? Sharks are called pregnant, too, right? I'm definitely used to hearing about gravid reptiles. (Never thought about gravid birds... Much)

  • @vincentcyr3719

    @vincentcyr3719

    2 ай бұрын

    @@TragoudistrosMPH some sharks are called pregnant, but those sharks birth live young. The ones that lay eggs are called gravid.

  • @Ezullof

    @Ezullof

    2 ай бұрын

    No. Pregnant literally means "before having a child" and gravid means "full with a child". Gravid is just less common and more technical, but the two words are completely synonymous. You invented a distinction that isn't real.

  • @hollywoodbirder6361
    @hollywoodbirder63612 ай бұрын

    Please do an episode on the Livyatan and other macroraptorial sperm whales

  • @MiniNymph
    @MiniNymph2 ай бұрын

    Before watching the video, I am guessing they were like birds and had a cloaca

  • @takenname8053
    @takenname80532 ай бұрын

    I think most definitely would have a cloaca, but finding an external structure preserved would also be interesting. Do mammals have the same bone differences when pregnant too? Thinking it will take a lot of calcium to build baby bones inside.

  • @somgesomgedus9313
    @somgesomgedus93132 ай бұрын

    Did Dinos also lay unfertiliezed eggs?

  • @prophetofthe8th

    @prophetofthe8th

    2 ай бұрын

    I think the likely answer is yes. The more recent findings in paleontology have really been pointing towards modern birds really being a form of dinosaur, with many dinosaurs having bird like traits and habits.

  • @mk_rexx

    @mk_rexx

    2 ай бұрын

    @@prophetofthe8th Just the mere connection of dinosaurs and birds aren't always enough to form a conclusion. Mammals today have various ways to reproduce. If, for example, an extinction event happens and only egg-laying monotremes survived, the future paleontologists cannot immediately rule out that all mammals only ever laid eggs. With how diverse dinosaurs are, I wouldn't be surprised if at least one clade of them gave live birth.

  • @eragon78

    @eragon78

    2 ай бұрын

    @@prophetofthe8th More than that, reptiles can do this too, which suggest the trait has existed even before dinosaurs did. Although laying unfertilized eggs is rare in the wild as most females will mate during ovulation. Its mostly common with stuff like Chickens because they were bread to amplify that property taking advantage of their reproductive cycles.

  • @drsira7248
    @drsira72482 ай бұрын

    If both pterasaurs and dinosaurs both had this special bone tissue, then shouldnt it be an ancetry trait from a common ancestor? Maybe it didnt develop in birds but instead is a relic of fish transitionint to land. fish dont have high calcium bones, so maybe then needed it first to develop proper eggshells? Or maybe it developed a bit later when terrestrial animals became totally free from water and developed hard shells? Maybe we could prove this by looking at mososaur bones. If they have this weird bonestructur even tho they werent terrestial but came from terrestial animals, they just kept the trait?

  • @CrazyMisterAllison
    @CrazyMisterAllison2 ай бұрын

    Isn't alluvium always deposited by water? I think material left behind by ice would be glacial till.

  • @rafaelmarquez6115
    @rafaelmarquez61152 ай бұрын

    I absolutely adore this channel. All of the presenters are very charismatic and the storytelling is perfectly crafted and compelling. I really miss your podcast on Spotify!

  • @TheBattyBone
    @TheBattyBone2 ай бұрын

    Quick question. Since chickens have insane head stability. (Insert that funny bmw commercial) are there any known dinosaurs that had that ability?

  • @NateHatch
    @NateHatch2 ай бұрын

    Neat

  • @thebackyard7661
    @thebackyard76612 ай бұрын

    its hard to tell the sex of a dinosaur nowadays because they usually don't fossilize while "Doing the deed".

  • @user-wj1kg8qo3p

    @user-wj1kg8qo3p

    2 ай бұрын

    That also doesn't tell us exactly what we want to know. Dinosaurs have different types of chromosomes as we do so we wouldn't be able to translate our conception of sex to them quite the same either.

  • @eragon78

    @eragon78

    2 ай бұрын

    @@user-wj1kg8qo3p Quote[Dinosaurs have different types of chromosomes as we do so we wouldn't be able to translate our conception of sex to them quite the same either.] What do you mean by this? DNA does not fossilize. We do not know what the genome of dinosaurs actually looked like. Also, this is "sex" in the biological sense. For most species its pretty straight forward. One sex produces eggs, and one sex produces sperm. Thats how it is for most large species. There are other ways reproduction can happen in other types of living things, but these terms are generally pretty well defined. So our conception of sex applies just fine to dinosaurs. I dont see how it wouldnt.

  • @user-wj1kg8qo3p

    @user-wj1kg8qo3p

    2 ай бұрын

    @@eragon78 Again, you're really trying hard to oversimplify this. Not only are we sure dinosaurs didn't use the same X and Y chromoses we do, neither do many MAMMALS. No, it's not as simple as which produces eggs, we can't take that to the beginning of microbiological life, which does reproduce and isn't always a sexual. They never evolved eggs. Not only that, but it still is completely ignoring binary sexual examples from numerous species. Including humans, whether they produce eggs or not. You don't get to pretend definitions are objective when we already talk about sex as a spectrum widely in science.

  • @CrowSkeleton
    @CrowSkeleton2 ай бұрын

    Oh, hey, just like birds!

  • @memofromessex
    @memofromessex2 ай бұрын

    That was all so interesting!

  • @b1646717
    @b16467172 ай бұрын

    I believe Dr.Malcom asked about this in Jurassic Park

  • @sahb8091
    @sahb80912 ай бұрын

    Birds are Dinosaurs. It is difficult to overstate the significance of this fact, for palaeontology. Perhaps the most recognisable group of vertebrates, Dinosaur bones line both displays and drawers in every natural history museum, offering endless fascination for children and adults alike. Yet, so much about these creatures is lost to history. Think of how little the bones of an animal resemble the living being they once supported. The colour of their eyes, the texture of their skin, the way they moved, the chemistry of their blood; all gone. We take for granted the ability to discern the sex of living creatures, but this is exceedingly difficult in fossil animals. Anyone who has ever owned a reptile knows the difficulties of discerning male from female. This is because of their lack of external sexual organs, as well as the typically little sexual dimorphism between the sexes of most species. This difficulty is multiplied when looking at (often incomplete) remains of extinct reptiles, like Dinosaurs. Most species of Dinosaur are known only from a single specimen; so we usually don’t even know what the female of an extinct species is supposed to look like! Exceptionally preserved fossils, and ever-advancing methods of studying them, help fill in some of these gaps. But the closest we will ever come to knowing the living anatomy of these amazing animals, is found in their living descendants, the birds. Despite how unique birds are, even among the dinosaurs, many of their anatomical curiosities are deeply rooted in the Dinosaur family tree. These include feathers, wishbones and even the air sacs of their respiratory systems. Well, it turns out the similarities go even deeper. Down to the bone, in fact. Dinosaurs lay hard-shelled eggs; these require extra calcium. In female birds, this calcium is laid down and stored in a unique type of long-bone tissue called Medullary bone. Its presence is an indicator of a sexually mature female, about to lay eggs. This tissue has now been found in multiple Non-Avian Dinosaurs,including a T-Rex.

  • @NomoreGumhater
    @NomoreGumhater2 ай бұрын

    Such a nice video ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @multiyapples
    @multiyapples2 ай бұрын

    I wonder how dinosaurs mated?

  • @basiliskboy17

    @basiliskboy17

    2 ай бұрын

    Carefully.

  • @harrybruijs2614

    @harrybruijs2614

    2 ай бұрын

    Probably like reptiles or birds now a days

  • @bixmcgoo5355

    @bixmcgoo5355

    2 ай бұрын

    bro you LOOK like someone who would wonder how dinosaurs mated

  • @forest_green
    @forest_green2 ай бұрын

    I always get excited when i see Michelle is hosting a video. They're so cool and their presentation style is really friendly and engaging.

  • @jyotiprakashbanik7249
    @jyotiprakashbanik72492 ай бұрын

    yeah dinosaurs 🤘💯

  • @lucitribal
    @lucitribal2 ай бұрын

    I feel like we need to look at more species. We don't know if this applies to all theropods or even all dinosaurs. Regarding function in T-Rex, it is possible that this structure evolved in a smaller ancestor and was kept.

  • @DaniMakes
    @DaniMakes2 ай бұрын

    Oh, those are some cool earrings, they aren't amber fossils are they?

  • @clydecessna737
    @clydecessna7372 ай бұрын

    This episode was well done and....well presented.

  • @kiowaize
    @kiowaize2 ай бұрын

    You’re awesome!

  • @Nmethyltransferase
    @Nmethyltransferase2 ай бұрын

    Bobbi Rex

  • @xpatrstarx
    @xpatrstarx2 ай бұрын

    Ngl I miss the jokes at the end of the episodes 😢

  • @BrunoGabrielAraujoLebtag
    @BrunoGabrielAraujoLebtag2 ай бұрын

    Steve...

  • @wynnschaible
    @wynnschaible2 ай бұрын

    What happened to the theory proposed a short while ago, that the first lower caudal spine would be reduced or absent (as in female crocodiles) to allow more room for the eggs to pass?

  • 2 ай бұрын

    A (very old) stereotype about people in science, is that they have very little fashion sense. But I wish I had one tenth of the style the people of Eons (any of them) show in each video.

  • @baldusi
    @baldusi2 ай бұрын

    On interesting possibility is that both camps of the discussion are right. Evolution works more often than not by adapting a previous trait (say bones grew out of calcium sacs, or dogs got most of its socializing features by keeping their puppy traits, etc.). Thus, I would not be surprised, if the current medullary bone structure was actually an adaptation of a different feature that the Rex lineage used for something else. After all, the rex are just the previous branch theropods to the lineage that evolved into birds. So I would be inclined to assume that the Maniraptoriformes had some special feature in their bones that they adapted later to enable flights, but probably had the original structure shared with Tyrannosauroidea or even earlier ancestors. It would explain both why it did react to the chemical signature but was not necessary given the bone density for egg laying.

  • @Ezullof

    @Ezullof

    2 ай бұрын

    Absolutely, I think there's a real possibility that the features may be similar but not analogous.

  • @wickedsamurai3323
    @wickedsamurai33232 ай бұрын

    Michelle has really improved as a host, she’s excellent!

  • @juliehoffman6292
    @juliehoffman62922 ай бұрын

    I love your presenters.

  • @evilgingerminiatures5820
    @evilgingerminiatures58202 ай бұрын

    I would have thought Terminal moraine but could be wrong been a long time since I studied Physical Geography

  • @MesonoxianMethuselah
    @MesonoxianMethuselah2 ай бұрын

    Defining the sexes solely by the type of gamete produced is the only taxon agnostic, and technically correct, method of doing so. But don't let PZ Myers know that you did so, because he'll have a conniption over it. 😂

  • @martinryan2370
    @martinryan23702 ай бұрын

    Why did the dinosaur cross the road ? To ask the chicken who lays the eggs lol😂😂

  • @karleybioanthro
    @karleybioanthro2 ай бұрын

    I just love Michelle’s style! It’s gothy/punk paleontology!

  • @dannybrown5744
    @dannybrown57442 ай бұрын

    ....moraine

  • @clywat57
    @clywat572 ай бұрын

    🥰🦖

  • @cassiopeaknack
    @cassiopeaknack2 ай бұрын

    Kind of random and unrelated to the video (which is very interesting) but that dress is so stunning! The colour and belt and pleats it’s just 10/10

  • @ricecritter

    @ricecritter

    2 ай бұрын

    Michelle has riveting style

  • @harrybruijs2614

    @harrybruijs2614

    2 ай бұрын

    Definitely female

  • @davidhanson4909

    @davidhanson4909

    2 ай бұрын

    @@harrybruijs2614 She's egg-producing?

  • @jewdd1989
    @jewdd19892 ай бұрын

    I don’t know why we’d need clarification between female aka egg producing and male aka sperm producing dinos as that’s an obvious. Enjoying the subject though and hope these continue

  • @GetterRay

    @GetterRay

    2 ай бұрын

    You know why.

  • @Frezzed

    @Frezzed

    2 ай бұрын

    I also rolled my eyes at this part 😂🙄

  • @shoeboxbistro

    @shoeboxbistro

    2 ай бұрын

    Not all animals have a male/female distinction. Some are asexual, or they don't have a pure dichotomy like we're used to in most large fauna. Some lizards are asexual, and a lot of fish are hermaphroditic.

  • @GetterRay

    @GetterRay

    2 ай бұрын

    In that case the short or long hand would not be relevant and wouldn't be used. That's not an explanation at all, but rather a clever moving of the goal posts. But not clever enough.@@shoeboxbistro

  • @elliotthartup4095

    @elliotthartup4095

    2 ай бұрын

    Understanding the sexual dimorphism of species can be a really interesting way of figuring out mating behaviour, in lions, the males are notably larger with manes of varying length and colour as an adaptation for competition between males and protecting offspring from rivals, if dinosaurs had a similar difference, it could suggest similar behaviours. Contrarily, many species of birds of prey have been seen to have larger females that select for smaller males, in owls in particular this is an adaptation for females guarding the nest while the smaller males are out foraging for food, basically the exact opposite of lions, and likewise there are plenty more species of animal where males and females are almost indistinguishable, and that will have implications for how their behaviour during mating works. There is admittedly an emphasis on size in these examples, but the point stands, understanding sexual dimorphism or the lack thereof is a great signpost for understanding behaviours obscured by the limits of the fossil record.

  • @tb9360
    @tb93602 ай бұрын

    What about Dinosaur STDs?

  • @thhseeking

    @thhseeking

    2 ай бұрын

    They didn't have phones :P

  • @tm43977
    @tm439772 ай бұрын

    Dinosaur love and Life is war

  • @filipinokiller
    @filipinokiller2 ай бұрын

    Well have they found Medullary bone from a male bird?

  • @FeeshUnofficial

    @FeeshUnofficial

    2 ай бұрын

    Yeah, as criticizers of the paper have pointed out: there's a widespread disease that causes it in both female and male birds

  • @heichan8657
    @heichan86572 ай бұрын

    Because cloaca can't be fossilize, idk. that's my guess.

  • @Someone-sq8im

    @Someone-sq8im

    2 ай бұрын

    you’re on the right track. Soft tissue doesn’t fossilize nearly as well as the rest of the body

  • @darkonyx6995

    @darkonyx6995

    2 ай бұрын

    It can fossilize, and there's a whole dinosaur fossil preserving a cloaca, it's just rare.

  • @CamAteUrKFC
    @CamAteUrKFC2 ай бұрын

    We call them Eskers…. There’s a bunch here in PG.

  • @EmilyJelassi
    @EmilyJelassi2 ай бұрын

    Very interesting video... Love your dress!!!❤❤❤

  • @luudest
    @luudest2 ай бұрын

    0:07 This looks very safe!

  • @pierreabbat6157
    @pierreabbat61572 ай бұрын

    I saw "femora" in one of those headlines. The other plural, "femina", may have been more appropriate. (It's an r/n noun, though it has no known cognates.)

  • @travisearly7879
    @travisearly78792 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the indigenous acknowledgments at the end. It’s good to know the price of some knowledge.

  • @filipinokiller
    @filipinokiller2 ай бұрын

    Scotty is a female while Sue is a male T-rex, so female T-rex are possibly bigger than male.

  • @sarahblack9333

    @sarahblack9333

    2 ай бұрын

    I thought we didn't know their sexes? Where did you get that info, and how did they figure that out? (Genuine question)

  • @ThemagpieBird734

    @ThemagpieBird734

    2 ай бұрын

    Source?

  • @Ezullof

    @Ezullof

    2 ай бұрын

    We only have hypothesis on these fossils' sexes, so it's a bit of a circular argument. A popular hypothesis at some point was that female T-Reges were bigger, so all big fossils were attributed to females.

  • @patreekotime4578

    @patreekotime4578

    2 ай бұрын

    Or it could be the opposite, or both could be the same sex. Based on the data we have right now, there is no way to distinguish them. Thier anatomical differences could be entirely down to normal variation.

  • @DJFracus

    @DJFracus

    2 ай бұрын

    @@sarahblack9333 he pulled it out of his behind

  • @user-ch1yo3ms8i
    @user-ch1yo3ms8i2 ай бұрын

    🤙🖤

  • @dorongrossman-naples9207
    @dorongrossman-naples92072 ай бұрын

    6:25 Birds don't have hollow bones to make them light, but rather to access more oxygen.

  • @SheevX66XPalpatine
    @SheevX66XPalpatine2 ай бұрын

    Mature Female Dinosaurs in your area 😏

  • @adamgallyot9063

    @adamgallyot9063

    2 ай бұрын

    NOOOO

  • @Internalview44
    @Internalview442 ай бұрын

    Bone density?

  • @Someone-sq8im

    @Someone-sq8im

    2 ай бұрын

    With what bones? Were working with fossils

  • @Ezullof

    @Ezullof

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Someone-sq8im It's not too hard to infer bone density from fossils, but it won't tell us anything about dino sex unless we make the assumption that one sex had denser bone than the other. Humans are a species with sexual dimorphism, where males have denser bones on average. But it's not the case for all species, or even all primates.

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