I would love to see our heroes defeating Kang only because of the help of Doom and then realizing that he’s an even bigger threat

@devrogalyon3220

Жыл бұрын

My friends and I have said almost this exact same thing. One of the best parts of Doom's character is that he's not explicitly good or evil. He's motivated purely by self interest. Most of the time that means committing evil acts, but it also means he sometimes works with the heroes if he sees that as the best avenue to get what he wants or protect what he has.

@alanhervert2702

Жыл бұрын

@@devrogalyon3220 We can only hope that the script reflects how morally complex the character is, I’ll for ever love Doom saving and naming Valeria, hope they do the character some deserved justice in the big screen

@ccelite3782

Жыл бұрын

I can imagine some dialgoue like this at the end of Avengers 5 Sam Wilson: *we stopped him. Let's head back to base, so we can figure some stuff out.* Spider-Man: *(Spidey Sense goes off) guys, something isn't rig-* (Explosion of some kind) Doom: *AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA* Mr. Fantastic: *Victor...* Sue Storm: *we need to stop him now.*

@devrogalyon3220

Жыл бұрын

@@alanhervert2702 SUCH a great moment, and just helps highlight that there is almost no point Doom won't go to screw over Reed. It's like how Doom is tested by the Celestial in the latest comics to say that Reed Richards is smarter than him and Doom (knowing the fate of Earth is at stake) laughs at the Celestial, walks away, says that passes, and the Celestial agrees with him. Give me THAT Doom MCU.

@gonzalo6890

Жыл бұрын

maybe he finds a solution for Secret Wars, helps the avengers save their universe and Doom is seen as a hero like Tony Stark. After this he gains more political power and secretly controls the world causing more trouble and becoming more of a threat

The key to Doom is that he views every challenge as a problem to be solved and has absolute confidence that he can solve it. He is never in despair.

@AndreNitroX

Жыл бұрын

Another thing doom has the grit to back up his ego. He can do exactly what he claims he can do.

@nont18411

Жыл бұрын

Like Lex Luthor

@jonathanacosta36

Жыл бұрын

@@nont18411 Well, Lex can do everything except the one thing he wants the most, which is to be Superman

@JamTaylor69

Жыл бұрын

The BEST doom panel is the one with Zebediah Kilgrave which shows just how strong his will is

@funnyfunnyvalentine7991

Жыл бұрын

Not always, otherwise he'd be boring. Very rarely he is willing to get help

Another thing that is completely abandoned when people try to adapt Doctor Doom, he is trying to save the world. He is the world's hero in his own mind. He saw many futures, and every one that he was not ruling the world had humanity wiped out while the one he saw with him ruling had humanity survive. To him, becoming the ruler of the world is a necessity in order to save humanity, and those that oppose him are literally working to doom the future of humanity. This is why he is so comfortable doing so many evil things, because he views it as a necessary evil.

@jaishkhan7442

Жыл бұрын

Exactlyyy that's the best part about him honestly (hate how they didn't mention this in the video) Him helping the Heroes is always because when he thinks it's necessary for the world to survive

@LordSnurdle

Жыл бұрын

Like Doctor Fate except… evil… and a ruler.

@hahano9586

Жыл бұрын

Then WHY would he call himself fucking DOOM?! Hitler felt the exact same way I'm sure and no sane people suck his dick about it

@philosophicaljay3449

Жыл бұрын

@@hahano9586 "Then WHY would he call himself fucking DOOM?!" Because that is his name? "Hitler felt the exact same way I'm sure and no sane people suck his dick about it" That first off, misses the point. Not saying Doom is actually a hero. Second off, is a majorly fallacious argument considering that Doom reached the conclusion by literally looking at various futures. It wasn't born out of bigotry, it was born out of pure utilitarian and strong, but (importantly, incomplete) evidence.

@tsang3213

Жыл бұрын

Somehow Hollywood writers is too stupid to get the main charisma of a comic book character

The fact that we got a better adaptation of DOOM in music than movie is amazing

@cavareenvius7886

Жыл бұрын

"All you need is Doom! All you need is Doom! Doom! Doom! Doom is all you neeed! Doom is all you need!"

@scriblestingray5713

Жыл бұрын

When he on the mic you don’t go next.

@sportyeight7769

Жыл бұрын

Just remember, all caps when you spell the man's name.

@tak-pa3134

Жыл бұрын

He wears a mask just to cover the raw flesh, a rather ugly brother with flows that's gorgeous.

@sciencechamp

Жыл бұрын

A rather ugly brother with flows that's gorgeous... Goated comment @nogh

Doom refers to himself in the third person, that's the level of ego we're dealing with. The technical genius of Stark, the arcane talents of Strange, and the political swag of T'challa combined in one person. Yet it drives him crazy to see an absent-minded professor who easily discovers new dimensions and invent physics defying spacecraft in his penthouse suite get all the glory. As Doom himself would say, "Nations shall burn for this insult!"

@pigeonoverlord9433

Жыл бұрын

The exaggerated swagger of a black politician

@orkaydk9430

Жыл бұрын

@@pigeonoverlord9433 whatcha tryna say?

@Carabas72

Жыл бұрын

What you're saying is that Doom is essentially a smart version of Donald Trump. Which holds up because Doom's schemes tend to fall apart because of hubris, his inability to conceive of the notion that he may be wrong or that other people may be better than him. It'd certainly one way to make the character uniquely relevant for this day and age.

@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868

Жыл бұрын

When faced with a literal god judging him, he was faced with only one test. Here is what the god had to say. "I appear to Victor von Doom and give him a simple challenge:" "Say Reed Richards is smarter than you and you will pass." "He laughs and then laughs some more, turns and leaves." "He passes himself. I concur."

@commandercaptain4664

Жыл бұрын

His all-consuming quest for power is unrivaled in comics. The more he achieves, the more he wants, and he usually taps into such further knowledge rather easily in his ascension. Every other villain either has misguided intentions of nobility (Thanos) or is complacent with their superiority (Kang, Red Skull, Magneto), but those are never enough for Doom. He is like Internet Rule 34, but only he can be the sole supplier of said porn. He is the veritable epitome of "well that escalated". To commit to using him in a story is to relent to an evil that gets worse and never ends, which is antithetical to Disneyfilm's quest to understand and redeem everyone in eyeshot.

I remember once reading a thing about how battles with Doom can go one of three ways. 1: If he's fighting against heroes, he loses, but in such a way that furthers his goals and either teaches the heroes a lesson or leaves them feeling hollow. 2: If he's fighting another villain, he wins, hands down. That's Doom's whole thing. 3: If he's fighting Squirrel Girl, he gets his ass beat, no two ways about it.

@Duothimir

Жыл бұрын

Doom does not fight Squirrel Girl. Doom avoids her like the plague.

@waff6ix

Жыл бұрын

IVE NEVER READ THE COMICS BUT I HEARD SQUIRREL GIRL IS REAL DEAL OP😳LIKE TAKE DOWN DOOM & THANOS BY HERSELF TYPE OP😳

@pewpewpew7824

Жыл бұрын

@@waff6ix its more that her name is taken literally. “The unbeatable squirrel girl”

@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman

10 ай бұрын

​@@waff6ix wait wtf

@agsdragon5475

4 ай бұрын

It would be nice to see a hero completely defeating doom or redeeming in a complete way, but comic book status quo is a bitch doom has both magic and science and a whole nation but at the very least writers must make a threat in which it make sense for him to be defeated completely a hero must win every time a villain needs to win once

The perfect short story that shows you who doom is is when Reed was unavailable to help Sue when she was delivering Valeria (after a very complicated backstory) and Johnny called Dr doom to help. He then proceeds to use all his intelligence and magic to deliver the baby successfully, claims naming rights to her and names her after a lost love, swears that she is now under the protection of Dr doom, becomes her godfather, and secretly makes her his familiar. What a guy.

@danello9091

Жыл бұрын

Honestly he probably would've been fine just knowing he was there where Reed couldn't

@chuckontal9962

Жыл бұрын

@@danello9091 if I remember correctly he absolutely pointed that out haha

@matthewschwartz6607

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, during the Unthinkable arc.

@vibes_4225

Жыл бұрын

god he's such a great character

@reignman4

Жыл бұрын

@@danello9091a hater to the end.

The thing I love the most about Doom is that he does the unthinkable, the one thing villains don't do: He wins. He is the most dangerous person on earth and everybody knows exactly where he is, they just can't get him. Which is awesome.

@Spacebattler

Жыл бұрын

Temporarily. A lot of villains pull off temporary wins. Then the heroes get their second wind and turn the tables.

@elvishernandez2555

9 ай бұрын

It depends on his goals and how he wins

@publiusventidiusbassus1232

7 ай бұрын

@@Spacebattler Doom always wins

@Spacebattler

7 ай бұрын

@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 except when he doesn't

@Lizardeatingdeer

6 ай бұрын

​​@@Spacebattlerthere is no doesn't. It is always wins. Doom always wins😊

All I want for his MCU adaptation is for his theme to be an ALL CAPS rendition.

@mrgreytea2598

Жыл бұрын

YES

@commandercaptain4664

Жыл бұрын

BEEF RAP FTW.

@ineedausername124

Жыл бұрын

@@commandercaptain4664 yeah beef rap would be better

@Shazam-rp7id

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes he rhyme quick, sometimes he rhyme slow

@TheOutlawed1000

Жыл бұрын

The opening theme to Fantastic 4 should be Accordion or something.

He needs a whole movie as an origin story. Imagine, introducing the Fantastic 4 in a Dr Doom movie.

@shado7418

Жыл бұрын

Minus the F4, that's a great idea

@davidwuhrer6704

Жыл бұрын

One film won't be enough.

@uzii6540

Жыл бұрын

@@davidwuhrer6704 one film would def be enough for him to get introduced

@dissonanceparadiddle

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@davidwuhrer6704

Жыл бұрын

@@uzii6540 Technically yes. You can introduce anyone as a background character with no need for backstory. But that won't tell you much about that character other than that he exists. Dr Stange needed a whole film to explain who he is and how he got the job of Sorcerer Supreme, and what that job even is. Dr Doom is a more complex character. Like Strange, he started out as an accomplished surgeon. (I say "started out", but nobody is born a surgeon; the TV series _Scrubs_ showed how that is a journey in itself.) Like Strange, he began dabbling with magic, but for completely different reasons and in different ways. That by itself is a whole story in itself, and that's still far from the iconic Dr Doom. He also went into politics, becoming a successful and popular head of state (or planet, depending on continuity; in the comics it has always been a planet, and Doom is basically their actual, living, reigning Jesus). And that still ignores the one thing casual readers or watchers of the animated shows are most aware of: Dr Richards hatred for him. (Although Richards has more to worry about with Namor, Galactus, the Krull, and the Living Tribunal. Or even just fellow inventor Tony Stark, whom Dr Pym doesn't even take seriously. (Everyone always seems to forget that Professor Dr Banner is actually the smartest and most accomplished of the lot, apart from Dr Doom, ignoring how Spiderman's physics professor saved the universe 616 from the Quantum Mechanic that one time because nobody else would have been able to even understand the threat.)) I mean you could just drop the fully fleshed character in there and develop the backstory in flashbacks and references. It worked for Thanos, but Thanos is a rather inconsequential character by comparison, and his MCU version was still just a fraction of what had been established in the comics. (For example, his rivalry with Deadpool for the attention of Lady Death was missing entirely.)

The thing with Doom is that any story told about him can't be contained by just one movie. You'll have to go full Avengers Saga style with his storytelling.

@calebray1834

Жыл бұрын

Right, Doom can’t just be a one and done villain he has to live on for a while.

@an-animal-lover

Жыл бұрын

@@calebray1834 yeah, but isn't that what the MCU did with Thanos (kind of?) So if they were to tackle him now and take that approach, it could work

@publiusventidiusbassus1232

7 ай бұрын

@@an-animal-lover The MCU had to vastly change Thanos' motivation. The original comic book was kind of ridiculous and would've been laughable for modern audiences, Doom is a character that already has an incredibly powerful and compelling narrative, they just can't seem to get him right at all.

@an-animal-lover

7 ай бұрын

@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 I didn't mention his motivation. I was talking about what calebray said about Doom not being a one off villain, pointing out that they'd done that with Thanos and could do it again. Neither comment discussed character motivation, that's a separate issue

@Lizardeatingdeer

6 ай бұрын

​@@an-animal-loverEndgame sucks with Thanos 😂

I feel like the problem is two-fold. The unwillingness to commit to comic book logic and the unwillingness to make the villain strong enough that they actually have to figure out how the heroes will stop them.

@hjones4922

2 ай бұрын

But that's the thing. Doom is trapped by comic book logic. He can only work in comic books (and even then...) He just doesn't work on screen. The look and backstory are just too silly

To me, the fact that Doom was sent back to the beginning of time to relive all of existence elevates him to the level of a genius demigod. I think that Hollywood is unaware of how to portray such a massive presence without being accused of “Doom worship”

@calebtheowl1516

Жыл бұрын

They should worship Doom

@TechfulThinking

Жыл бұрын

@@calebtheowl1516 That’s how we ended up with ‘Love & Thunder’ 😬

@noelbright7573

Жыл бұрын

@@calebtheowl1516 I came to say the exact same thing lmao

@Xrayhighs

Жыл бұрын

They tried to capture this concept in Apokalypse and maybe dr Manhattan. I think that its possible to present such characters, but in a villain centered movie like infinity war. I just hope that we find a darker, or serious tone and tackle some difficult topics. Dr Doom takes this serious, so shall we.

@TechfulThinking

Жыл бұрын

@@Xrayhighs The problem is that a lot happened before Doom was thrown back to the beginning. Personally, I don’t think they’ll even touch that storyline, but they’ll give us some watered-down portrayal like they did with the Mandarin. Such a waste of an iconic presence in the comics

Why do other adaptations barely include both the mysticism and Tech side of Doom because normally many adaptations always include just the tech side

@chomama1012

Жыл бұрын

I think it's because mysticism is very hard to sell to a mass audience. Comparing MCU Doctor Strange to his comic book counterpart, you realize just how insanely watered down he is. These characters are so unbelievably powerful, and their powers are so unbelievably abstract in nature, it's difficult to put that individual in a medium like movies and sell that to millions of people.

@ironmaster6496

Жыл бұрын

@@chomama1012 which is honestly really sad, each character has its own unique tone and personality but the MCU manages to make thek all look like the exact same movie with the exact same tone and jokes

@CityPlannerPlaysChair

Жыл бұрын

We'll see how they do the Hood in Ironheart. If they get him, Doom should work well.

@kyerenilrem6947

Жыл бұрын

I think it's mainly because live action wise they introduce him and the fan four at the same time since they're trying to focus mostly on the fan four getting they're power they choose to focus solely on dooms science based power to not overly dilute the narrative by doing too much of his back story of show a completely different power system of magic

@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868

Жыл бұрын

I mean if theyre doing origin story for him, in the comics, doom didnt start with his magic powers. He made a deal with a demon so that he received all the magic knowledge he wouldve gotten if hed spent his life studying magic instead of science. If it's not established he's spent decades on science, his magic means nothing

To portray Dr Doom accurately, an actor who can pull off the dramatic old time theatrics of Doom is needed. Someone with a deeper (baritone) voice, someone willing to swirl the cloak dramatically. Doom is the sort to have 5 escape routes at all times, the sort with 10 backup plans at all times. Even Wolverine has a rough time with Doom.

@Carabas72

Жыл бұрын

Why wouldn't Wolverine have a hard time with a villain who has mastered the ability to... just fly out of claws' reach and shoot? Besides, the infinte backup plans was annoying when Batman did it (and everybody made fun of the characer for it) but at least Batman is interesting.

@thebigguy270

9 ай бұрын

Ralph Fiennes' performance as Voldemort makes him my candidate for Dr Doom in the MCU. But since he's not Roma, well...

@EchoMirage72

7 ай бұрын

Unfortunately Christopher Lee is dead :(

@Zombiewithabowtie

5 ай бұрын

Never mind Wolverine, in the comics Thanos keeps active tabs on Doom because he views him as a likely threat.

@marckempe2143

3 ай бұрын

Julian McMahon actually portrayed the character perfectly, but he wasn’t given the right backstory. He had the presence, he certainly demonstrated that he could portray the ego, and he showed the narcissistic qualities.

when the mcu do doctor doom, i just hope they did for thanos and actually build him up over a few movies and not just a single movie villain, he needs the build up to get his character done right

@guillermoelnino

Жыл бұрын

Theyll make him a g ay.

@albertthepeacock8020

Жыл бұрын

We all know they'll make Doom do dabs and play Fortnite

@krizthecookingbeaner2567

Жыл бұрын

@@guillermoelnino and black and trans

@guillermoelnino

Жыл бұрын

@@krizthecookingbeaner2567 for "representstion"

@nmhjjp

Жыл бұрын

@@guillermoelnino i mean, i hope they just make him black and a rapper, like the best rapper.

Dr. doom is the shadow of Tony Stark. He’s Iron Man without selflessness. Therefore, you need to cast an actor with charisma who can carry the MCU as a villain through multiple projects like Robert Downey, Jr. was able to do as Iron Man. This is probably the most important part that marvel needs to get right.

@thewanderingkirby8524

Жыл бұрын

I feel he's always compared to Stark he's a combination of Dr.Strange as the sorcerer supreme and the superior iron man when it comes to magic and technology.

@beauxr.benoit1374

Жыл бұрын

I was going to say for the same reason they can't the Fantastic Four right. I think you need to have some input in the making of the movies for this.

@uncannydcmarvelous5732

Жыл бұрын

Also said actor has to commit to keep the damn mask on, not taking it off, Doom never takes his mask off. Or if whoever gets cast doesn't want that, then he'll do the voice dub and be Doom in flashbacks whereas some stunt double gets the hard work of being in the suit and wearing the mask all the time.

@ItsTheDon27

Жыл бұрын

@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 no suit double. That’s baloney. But that reminds me of dredd. He keep the helmet on the whole time. Major props to him. Who would you cast for doom ?

@srstriker6420

Жыл бұрын

I thought that Norman Osborn is the shadow of Tony Stark

I think the thing is, from what I could gather sure he is very technologically advanced, but he's also very powerful with magic and sorcery, rivaling doctor strange in that department. It's these two combined with his very high intellect that actually almost rivals Stark and Mr Fantastic that makes him such a deadly villain. Combine that with his cruelness and cunning, and it's no wonder how he eventually became a god in the comics. Doubt we'll ever see this version of doom, but it's still one of the reasons why he became such a big and beloved villain for so long

@thewanderingkirby8524

Жыл бұрын

Well said we need that balance of his persona in a live adaptation that makes him Dr.Doom

@srstriker6420

Жыл бұрын

And I thought that Mordo is Dr Strange’s rival.

@atlas_vash

Жыл бұрын

​@@srstriker6420 mordo wishes

@Wookien

Жыл бұрын

@@atlas_vash He's like an evil Batman

@echo_z319

Жыл бұрын

literally setting up his suit in BP2 with vibranium and having some tie in to armor wars/thunderbolts but K

It's not impossible, just very unlikely. Victor Von Doom is a multi dimensional character, fleshed out over decades in the comics. He's not just a one trick pony who's easily portrayed in a movie. He's not a shallow villain but a complex man with grand aspirations and even grander abilities. He's the hero of HIS story, ruler of his country and even loved by his people. In short, he deserves his OWN movie.

@alexkoronec4326

9 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, this won't happen. Because they would actually have to contact the kirby kids! And realize that you would have to get the rights to use their father's work on how to portray Dr Doom. This couldn't be in one movie. As even though his comic books story. It took decades.

@clovernacknime6984

5 ай бұрын

@@alexkoronec4326 Actually, why not? Doom's origin story is him going from a poor child of a persecuted minority who loses both of his parents to said persecution to taking the throne from his enemy, while losing a lot of his humanity along the way. That sounds like an excellent movie plot all on its own.

@DanielAppleton-lr9eq

3 ай бұрын

@@clovernacknime6984 Doom could've been written by Shakespeare.

@zzodysseuszz

3 ай бұрын

Except he’s literally all of those things. I’m rereading old comics from the 70’s and it’s amazing how identical he is to doctor doom as we know him today. He’s been unchanging for decades and he’s always been a one dimensional moustache twirling evil that selfishly wants to rule the world because “no one deserves it more than me”

@DanielAppleton-lr9eq

3 ай бұрын

@@zzodysseuszz Doom is almost god - like, Lex Luthor would love to be a god among mortals, but that position was taken by a guy from Krypton.

I think part of the challenge in trying to adapt Doom to the big screen is in giving him everything that Doom is as a character, but doing so in a way that doesn't feel like a rip-off of the movie villain Doom most closely resembles: Darth Vader. Larger than life, scarred and encased in an armored prison being a Death's Head metal faceplate, cloaked in darkness, master of both magic and science, a merciless dread overlord... Doom and Vader are nearly twins. And until someone can figure out how to solve this conundrum, they will fail to write Doom properly...

@VunderGuy

Жыл бұрын

Wrong. Darth Vader looks like a rip-off of Doctor Doom.

@HB-fq9nn

Жыл бұрын

@@VunderGuy Neither are rip-offs. Both just have a similar villain style.

@1dcondave

Жыл бұрын

@VunderGuy I get what you're saying, since Doom has been around longer by close to twenty years. But Doom has never really made it further the comics and a few Saturday morning cartoons as far as impact on pop culture, while Star Wars has practically become America's religion. All three movie versions of Doom were terrible, sadly, and didn't move the needle at all in terms of cultural effect. Vader, on the other hand, ranks with Dracula, Faust, and Macbeth as all-time tragic villains.

@akiraeatsguitarpicks491

Жыл бұрын

Doom doesn’t resemble Vader, it’s Vader that ripped off Doom

@Serryy

Жыл бұрын

Doom wants to rule the world because hes the one who can save it. Leaning into that makes him vastly different than Vader already. Besides, Vader is in all-black. Doom is in green-grey.

The issue with Dr Doom in film is that he always plays the antagonist in the Fantstic 4's origin story, and as such his own origin story gets glossed over. I think origin stories have been done to death in superhero cinema but movies like Joker or Venom show that people still warmly receive an origin story if it has a unique spin on it. So I think for Doom's introduction into the MCU they should flip the script. Instead of making him the antagonist in a Fantastic 4 movie, make the Fantastic 4 the antagonists to a fully fleshed-out Doom origin movie.

@calebray1834

Жыл бұрын

A movie about someone not becoming a superhero but a supervillain instead.

@georgemeyers7172

Жыл бұрын

That could work. And it sounds unique to work as well. Maybe. Problem is that Marvel's Track Record recently sucks ass.

@glenwaldrop8166

Жыл бұрын

I can see it where Doom and Richards are competing, Richards wins but is a little less than honorable in how he does it, nothing terrible but questionable, maybe a situation where there was no good solution, you just have to choose between several bad solutions.

@DeterminedGoat

Жыл бұрын

Bingo, except the F4 can just be side characters. I think the final act would be fighting Mephisto in hell.

@file_boi020

Жыл бұрын

That actually sounds like a good idea.

I actually liked Julian McMahon's presence, costume and performance as Doctor Doom. In the audition, he used a heavy Eastern European accent but the director told him not to use it because the American audience might had trouble understanding him.

@Lizardeatingdeer

Жыл бұрын

WTF 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Marvel cast Elizabeth Olsen in Ultron with a European accent and I understood her perfectly so WTF But what do we expect from a guy who directed that trash Tom and Jerry 2021 movie

@Facade953

Жыл бұрын

@@Lizardeatingdeer Julian portrayed Doctor Doom in a Robot Chicken parody in which Michael Chiklis had been teleport swapped with The Thing from the FOX films and he sounded EXACTLY like Doctor Doom from the comics. His voice was even similar to the one from the Fantastic Four TAS and the Secret Wars adaptation of Spider-Man TAS. The way i see it, the blame falls on the director and the script writer (s) of the 2005 and 2007 movies.

@biocapsule7311

Жыл бұрын

I always consider him a great casting because the 2 role he is most known for and 2 roles years after the films all contain aspects of Doom like villains in them. Cole Turner from Charmed, Christian Troy from Nip/Tuck, Jonah from Runaways, Zackariah Webb from Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (I particularly like the first and last). Zackariah Webb is basically a homage to Doom. He definitely can do Doom justice if they ever give him the material.

@Facade953

Жыл бұрын

@@biocapsule7311 He was really awesome as Cole Turner in Charmed and Christian Troy in Nip Tuck. Villainous and anti-heroic characters are his specialty but this is also a " double edged sword " because it can lead to type casting.

@MrMojoman1976

Жыл бұрын

Being a Nip/Tuck fan, I was 💯 convinced McMahan’s casting would work. The writing killed the character.

After watching Raul Julia play M. Bison in Streetfighter, I thought if, given a worthy script, he could have successfully pulled off an excellent Dr. Doom character.

@an-animal-lover

Жыл бұрын

May he rest in peace

@jvharbin8337

Жыл бұрын

R.I.P. Raul Julia

@LabTech41

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, but the problem is that any actor who'd play Doom would have to go the Karl Urban route from Dredd; because Doom almost never takes his mask off, so they'd have to be willing to take that ego hit for the sake of canon, AND be able to carry themselves almost entirely on their voice and what tiny inflections you can get around the eyes.

@dikkie1000

3 ай бұрын

@@LabTech41 So it's Hugo Weaving then? Proved himself as Mr. Smith and as V in V for Vendetta to be very competent as a bad guy and someone who can work with a mask.

@LabTech41

3 ай бұрын

@@dikkie1000 It's been a minute since I thought about Weaving, but now that I'm thinking about it, I believe you've hit the nail precisely on the head. He's got the kind of voice that would work, he's obviously an accomplished actor, he did great inflection work with V, and he's played both heroes and villains, so he'd be great to play someone who operates in a grey area between. I just hope whatever execs are doing the vetting don't screw this up again. Doom is Machiavelli, not Snidely Whiplash.

MF DOOM better be playing when he gets introduced

@buket1472

Жыл бұрын

That's, not an option.

@tc_bottomtext

Жыл бұрын

@@buket1472 L take tbh

@Predatorcollector

Жыл бұрын

@@tc_bottomtext Doctor Doom was created before mf doom was even a THOUGHT

@tulstra

Жыл бұрын

@@Predatorcollector of course he was how does that have anything to do with him being in the movie soundtrack

@CANProductionZz

Жыл бұрын

@@Predatorcollectorall caps fucko

I honestly believe the best way to introduce Dr. Doom into the MCU is with his own solo film, he is one of the few villain that this could be done without much of the hero/es he is connected to being involved in it, they could adapt Books of Doom for it.

@rileyribble6733

Жыл бұрын

Books of Doom is literally perfectly structured to adapt into a series format. I really hope they end up doing something

@Lunk42

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but they wouldn't and if they did he couldn't be a villain he'd be turned into an anti hero or something.

@marinenico1993

Жыл бұрын

@@Lunk42 Doom in the comics isn't really evil, he has a reason for everything he does, most of it, is for his country, Books of doom shows this very well.

@brago900

Жыл бұрын

@@Lunk42 The best character to compare Dr. Doom would be Ozymandias, a hero who comes to the conclusion that the most efficient way to save humanity is to be the villain. Doom is the same just being the villain seems to him the most efficient way to get things done. He is also the first in the line of fire when it comes to defending the planet from any threat. However, there is no doubt that he needs urgent psychological therapy.

The problem is they kept shoehorning him into the films, giving him the same origin as the Fantastic four. They should've just had be already set up as Doom and ruler of Latveria, and instead have the F4 fight a monster/alien. Doom either needs his own movie, or there needs to be F4 movie that explores his background, as well as his relationship with Reed Richards.

@AndreNitroX

Жыл бұрын

Well said. Forget origin stories, have the FF and Doom already established and just explore their lives through flashbacks or good dialogue

@ROMANTIKILLER2

Жыл бұрын

I would even say that an origin story movie with Doom as main protagonist may be much more interesting than anything attempted so far. However, the risk is that writers and producers would then make him too much of a good-guy or anti-hero at best, which is not what Dr. Doom really is.

@targetdreamer257

Жыл бұрын

Yes EXACTLY! Stand alone Dr. Doom movie! A straight up villain origin story. Just use some throw away hero and in the end it’s not the “hero” that saves the day but Doom’s own EGO that gives the “happy” ending the the general public insists upon.

@KuroVergil

Жыл бұрын

They can easily make his way to Latveria from the Sokovia incident, rebuilding the greatest failure of earth's mightiest heroes into one of the most influential, powerful and notable countries of earth in just a couple of years would show Doom's political and strategic capabilities really quickly.

@theendersmirk5851

Жыл бұрын

@@targetdreamer257 or, another alternative is to write a story showing how *he* thinks of himself as a hero, even if he would be the only one. In mainline comics, it is a thing that Doom managed to travel to both the past and future, and while checking possible futures, he found his rule to be imperative for anything resembling a good future for humanity. Essentially, his every villainous act comes from both his ego, and his knowledge that this is something he *has* to do for everyone else. He is trying his hardest to match what that future's version of him did so that he can save the planet, but what that version did to get there was fundamentally immoral. That isn't how they write him now (beyond the saw his future bit being a thing) but if you want to do something like Thanos with him, that's how you'd want to go about it.

I wish they tied it to Sokovia being lifted in the age of ultron. Like him looking to the U.N. for assistance and getting nothing. So he just declares war.

@bobjohnson1633

Жыл бұрын

Doom? Seek assistance? If Lord Doom heard such insolence, he'd have you executed.

@DrSnipe83

Жыл бұрын

@@bobjohnson1633 there are comics where he's being a diplomat. Flying to the U.N.

@fluidthought42

Жыл бұрын

@@DrSnipe83 Yeah, it's how he's never arrested, because of his diplomatic immunity

@DrSnipe83

Жыл бұрын

@Mr. Seemingly Expected I love it. If he wants to be a shit he can do it. If they played him up as an arrogant dictator. I'd be down better than the previous iterations. He would just demand that the U.N. fix the refugees in Latveria and when they turn him down he just goes to war.

Dr. Doom is the embodiment of the Nietzschean ideal of Will To Power and the definition of Indominable. In many ways he's ironically the greatest super hero in terms of his traits. My personal favorite example is the original Secret Wars when he's being literally torn apart by the Beyonder after being completely defeated, no armor, and totally naked, but he still won't give up, and because he refused to accept defeat, even in such a destroyed state, he finds a way to win! That is Dr. Doom. That's like Tony Stark beating Thanos with all the Infinity Stones with none of his technology or friends to help. Dr. Doom can accomplish the impossible. The problem is his ego and madness of knowing 100 percent for a fact that his mother IS burning in Hell. He's motivated by love and wanting to save his mother that he goes to extreme degrees and doesn't care about the consequences of his actions. The means serve the ends. The Fantastic 4 basically hold a mirror up to Dr. Doom and makes him realize, despite what he may otherwise believe, that his worst scars aren't on his body but in his soul and heart and he hates knowing some part of him is weak. He can wear armor to protect his body. He can use his mind to outsmart people. He can use magic to go toe-to-toe with people like Dr. Strange. However nothing can protect him from the hole in his heart and all the power and self-aggrandizement is an addiction to try to fill that hole. He hates being reminded of that. The tragedy of Dr. Doom is if not for that one weakness that perverts all he tries to do he would be the greatest super hero of all time. But, you know, I guess making him a giant doofus and using an actor teenage girls and middle aged wine aunts have on their bedroom walls or office cubicles works too!

@user-cb9jo3vv1h

5 ай бұрын

But his mother's soul was really burning in hell. And Strange eventually helped save her.

My main problem now is that I want the live action doom to sound like the late MF DOOM🕊️

@jiovanysoltero923

Жыл бұрын

I ever since I listened to MF, growing up I always wanted Doom to be Charming , charismatic, Ruthless , Zenfull and a straight up G

@michaelraymon111

Жыл бұрын

@@jiovanysoltero923 Dr doom is not a straight up G. He is a loser villain who loses all the time. Stop glorifying villains

@MFSHARTY

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelraymon111 were talking about MF DOOM, not Dr. Doom. Go crawl back under your rock.

@Shlogger

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelraymon111 be quiet

@orster2076

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelraymon111 nerd

I love the dichotomy Dr. Doom makes with the Fantastic Four with his motivation. Particularly in one storyline, it's presented as the Four saving the world of today, while Dr. Doom is working to save the world of the future.

Doctor Doom is an opera villain with a death ray. I fucking LOVE HIM

I always like Dr doom. He was a villain that was as likely to help you as kill you and sometimes did some surprisingly humane things that still managed to fit his character

@johnnygoodman2003

Жыл бұрын

"He studies with Tibetan monks to be as dark warlock" .... What? Is that really the comic book history of Dr Doom. No wonder the movies tried to change his back story. That is really awful presenting Tibetan culture like it's some kind of evil cult. I hope the fantastic 4 and Dr Doom never come back.

@shooflies

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnygoodman2003 ok

@g-fanmax1838

11 ай бұрын

​@@shooflies found the social justice warrior in the comment section lol

@shooflies

11 ай бұрын

@@g-fanmax1838 Did you just comment 6 months after a comment to call me an sjw in a situation where that doesn't even make sense? are you a bot?

@g-fanmax1838

11 ай бұрын

@@shooflies I wasn't calling you the social justice warrior. I was talking about the person above you.

If we’re getting a black Adam movie, and have gotten 2 venom movies (which I enjoy); doom certainly deserves his own movie. Their is so much material to choose from in the comics.

@Calekoflight

Жыл бұрын

He's definitely a character worthy of his own movie, far more than Black Adam, but he's one of those characters that also doesn't...he doesn't work without being the foil to all these other great characters.

@samuelmackenzie5267

Жыл бұрын

@@Calekoflight You could say the same thing about black adam. But he's getting his own movie way before he shazam (if he ever does).

@AndreNitroX

Жыл бұрын

His origin and his coup of latveria is a masterpiece film waiting to happen

@TheNick1536

Жыл бұрын

Book of Doom is right there waiting for someone to adapt it

@AndreNitroX

Жыл бұрын

@@TheNick1536 exactly right

RIP MF Doom

@afthefragile

Жыл бұрын

ALL CAPS!

@shortie9103

Жыл бұрын

Respectfully, RIP MF DOOM

@commandercaptain4664

Жыл бұрын

MCU Doom needs "Beef Rap" as his theme with Johnny Douglas music in it. I would effing lose it!

@inkchariot6147

Жыл бұрын

MM FOOD

@hoop6822

Жыл бұрын

Was wondering when I'd see a fellow DOOM fan

I'd actually love a series centered around Doom, focusing on his efforts and the reasoning behind those efforts: That he wants to save the universe but understands because of his magic that this requires him to rule the world. I'm paraphrasing, but it was said that the only universe where humanity thrives in a perfect utopia is one where Doom rules all.

@karmapolice343

Жыл бұрын

This is the moral ambiguity I crave

@tananatana4011

4 ай бұрын

This is just pure headcanon. Doom isn't "conflicted" about ruling the world, in fact, Doom doesn't really care about "saving the universe", he just wants to rule the world, because he's a shitbag. It's not true that the only universe where humanity thrived was the one Doom ruled, that was just something Bast said cuz it was referencing Doom's ego that he would genuinely believe that. But it's not true, Doom ain't that complicated. He wants power and will kill to gain that power. Why does he want power? To be a god, it's not because of his people, he literally just wants to be a god

@DanielAppleton-lr9eq

3 ай бұрын

@@tananatana4011 You could almost be describing Lex Luthor as well. Alphas that trip over their own egos.

@tananatana4011

3 ай бұрын

@@DanielAppleton-lr9eq Lex is different than Doom in a sense that Doom's ego is a LOT more fragile. Lex just KNOWS he's the smartest, he KNOWS that he's peak human, the only reason he's upset at Superman is because he doesn't think someone should be better BY DEFAULT than him, it's like a spit to the face. He isn't insecure about Superman as he just sees it almost as an equivalent to nepotism. Like he's God's favorite and he didn't have to work for his powers. Doom on the other hand deep down KNOWS he isn't the best, he KNOWS Reed is smarter, but will never admit it because he's so vain. Also their motivations differ, Doom's motivation is personal, Lex's motivation is more so philosophical. Superman is hope, he represents better tomorrow, brighter future, he's the goodest guy of them all trying his best to save everyone. Lex is someone who misinterprets that message, to Lex, Superman is an unrealistic standard, a get-out-of-jail-free card, he believes as long as Superman exists, humanity has no reason to evolve. He thinks he has alternative motives, because no one is "that good". Hell, once when Lex was revealed his true identity, he thought it must be some kind of an error, because through the ego filled perspective of Lex, it doesn't make sense that an all powerful God would waste it's time as a random nobody reporter. Doom however wants to murder a family because a guy was smarter than him in college, like that's essentially it. He's INCREDIBLY narcissistic and petty, and the whole point of Doom is that he's supposed to be pathetic. He isn't supposed to be "cool", he's basically if Dennis Reynolds became a supervillain

@DanielAppleton-lr9eq

3 ай бұрын

@@tananatana4011 He claims that waiting for Superman & Co. will make us weak & dependent. I think that he uses that rationale SO MUCH that he started believing it himself. Victor Von Doom comes off as a " snowflake " & would only relinquish his thirst for power if somebody like a mixture of Galactus, Thanos, maybe Ultron came along & laid him well & truly LOW - as in a protagonist / antagonist who could destroy him for good.

Imagine a Dr. Doom movie focused on his life story from the comics but done in the dark/pulpy/artistic style like the joker. And have an actual Eastern European actor!

@tonysoprano1884

5 ай бұрын

Mads Mikkelsen

@feliciaf8

4 ай бұрын

​@@tonysoprano1884 he's Nordic tho but he would be a perfect cast

@michaeljosephjackson2364

4 ай бұрын

Dr doom is romani

@DanielAppleton-lr9eq

3 ай бұрын

@@michaeljosephjackson2364 Do you think that studio suits *really* give a bulldog's bollocks about SOURCE MATERIAL ?

@dhanipersaud6227

3 ай бұрын

Dr. Doom is Romani. It would actually be more interesting to dig into his and his mother's persecution for being different in Eastern Europe.

Personally I think the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon is one of the few adaptions I've seen that have done Doom any justice. I think he's probably the only thing that could get me back into watching mcu movies, if they get him right.

@AndreNitroX

Жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more, the EMH did him perfectly, that’s what I want in a live action portrayal.

@Tzgrey77

Жыл бұрын

There are parts where he was like I don't want to deal with your drama get out of my country

@Nickpetronio

Жыл бұрын

Oh man I feel the same way. I’ve become kind of disinterested in the MCU after Endgame. And Spider-Man is my favorite super hero! But Marvel just hasn’t done well to me. They’re too concerned about pushing other agendas in their movies now as opposed to telling great marvel stories. Doom is the only thing I’m really waiting for.

@AndreNitroX

Жыл бұрын

@@Nickpetronio agreed

i think what we need in MCU is a Doctor Doom movie...that will be the only way to explore his entire backstory and motivations and learn more about him and make the audience love him

@milkiassamuel780

Жыл бұрын

I agree, I think Doom is such a fascinating character with a great origin story thaat really tells why he is who he is and truly give time to flessh out his character in a rich, almost Shakespearean story.

@ItsTheDon27

Жыл бұрын

@Nicholas they’ll just make him an anti hero-_- instead of him not giving a damn

@animationfanatic2133

Жыл бұрын

That sounds much more enjoyable than another fantastic bore moviee

@zemox2534

Жыл бұрын

@@animationfanatic2133 Do not fucking insult the Four. Not their fault studios keep fucking them up.

@SergioLeonardoCornejo

Жыл бұрын

No. What we need is let it end and focus on independent creators. Disney won't make quality stories anymore.

I think Avenger's Assemble and Spiderman TAS did a great job with the character. The accent, the more elaborate schemes, the diplomacy, the relentless attacks, etc, all true of Doom. Someone else mentioned his belief that he is doing the right thing as one of his motivations, and I think that comes across very well in Spiderman TAS.

The way they wrote Dr.Dooms story in the video game 'Ultimate Alliance ' was my absolute favorite. They got every about him right. You go up against some serious threats, yet Doom is still the biggest threat.

I’ve always thought of Doom as the talented older brother of the fantastic 4, whose way was complicated by his flaws. Those flaws being essentially his strengths taken to excess. It’s also a warning that any of the f4 could turn out like him if they somehow distance themselves from each other.

@brago900

Жыл бұрын

The Maker

One of the main issues in movie, is that it suffers from Sam Raimi's Spider-man-villainitis: the nemesis has to be deeply intrinsic to the heroes origin so as to be a dark reflection... That does exist in the comics and can be great, but the thing with Doom, is that he is not defined by his relation-ship to the Fantastic Four, he is so much more than that. Villains can exist without the need of being defined by their relationship with a hero, they can be full-fletched persons with complex motivations that changes day-to-day, as it does for any of human being. Defining people only by their relationship to us (or the heroes in this case) reduces people and characters to very simple imitation, when they can be so much more, once you realize their internal complexities

@AndreNitroX

Жыл бұрын

Well said, while infamous for being the nemesis of the FF. Doom has proven to be a threat to every hero and villain in the marvel universe. He can be anyones villain if they look at him wrong.

@boshwa20

Жыл бұрын

Medical conditions with the -itis term are for inflammation

@jizaod88

Жыл бұрын

True, I used it as a figure of speech for a "mallady" that affected in my eyes the Raimi trilogy. But if we want to go medical, I'm aware that any -itis is a symptom, not the sickness, so there is always the case that the underliying condition can be figure out.

@sadchild9478

Жыл бұрын

Waiting for the raimi fan boys to get upset cuz you made a valid criticism and they don’t like that

@Hillthugsta

Жыл бұрын

​@@sadchild9478 Not from me. That was the kind of BS that ruined Sandman for me.

They already did Doom in a very well received way. He's called Darth Vader.

@deespaeth8180

2 ай бұрын

In terms of how menacing and scary DOOM can and should be, yes.

@virtualrealityfitness283

22 күн бұрын

Vader is a mix of Kang and Doom

You know what's kind of funny: was watching some Office clips last night, particularly the one where Michael tells Dwights he's the new manager, and Rainn Wilson does an absolute masterclass of acting in that episode. I say this because he would actually probably play an incredible Dr. Doom. If he plays it straight and digs into the introspection and intellect he could do it so well.

@leightonpetty4817

Жыл бұрын

Seeing John Krasinski and Rainn Wilson play one of the most famous superhero rivalries of all time would be the most stupid thing ever and I 100% want to see it

The fact that there have been so many failed attempts at a proper Dr.Doom shows how great of a character he is. Don't expect the current MCU to do him justice, either.

@MegaDynamiteDan

Жыл бұрын

And a fantastic villain

@DanielAppleton-lr9eq

3 ай бұрын

@@MegaDynamiteDan Loki comes in a close second, BUT Loki has always been a " likeable " antihero. VVD is like an onion or a nest of Russian dolls.

@oneproudbrowncoat

2 ай бұрын

Doom isn't a villain, really. Nobody ever emigrates from Latveria- there's never any refugees who flee his regime. It's a safe place where everything works.

@DanielAppleton-lr9eq

2 ай бұрын

@@oneproudbrowncoat It's easy to view him as a tragic villain, I mean, after the horrors he went through as a child. You feel a tad bit more sympathetic to him as opposed to Lex Luthor or the Green Goblin. He seems like Benito Mussolini.

@oneproudbrowncoat

2 ай бұрын

@@DanielAppleton-lr9eq Not entirely. Any catastrophe to his people is an affront to Doom. That's why the Avengers can't stand him.

Doom needs to be fleshed out in a television mini-series before he's the villain in a film, in a similar way they did for the Scarlet Witch in WandaVision.

The fact is that a little of people forget that Dr. Doom was once in the running for sorcerer supreme with Steven Strange. He is every bit the sorcerer that Dr. Strange is.

@somejerk5662

2 ай бұрын

He even entered the competition once, coming in second to Doctor Strange. Doom had planned on this; a custom among sorcerers is that the winner owes 2nd place a favor. Doom used this to make Strange help him save his mother's soul from Mephisto, something Strange would have done it anyway if Doom just asked him. But Doom does not ask for favors.

A problem I see with trying to introduce Doom is his power scale. He's has always been over powered in the comics and is able to survive and adapt almost any encounter .

I've always thought that Doom would work best as a recurring villain in a serialised tv show. Given his history, it would make most sense to have him be in a Fantastic Four Tv series.

It seems like the only possible way to adapt Doom is to give him his own origin movie like Black Adam. Showing his origin and his rise to power then setting him up as the villain in Fantastic Four

Not even Lee and Kirby were able to introduce a fully formed Victor Von Doom in his first appearance. I think that one way to do this is to have a Disney+ series (or possibly a standalone film) titled "Victor" that explores his childhood, schooling, and rise to power in Latveria. Once that is established, he could then appear in FF 2 (allowing the first film time to introduce them) or Secret Wars as Reed's nemesis. They can't rush the characters into a film that has a host of other agendas. Thanks for the video.

@DanielAppleton-lr9eq

3 ай бұрын

He's as hard to write for as Anakin Skywalker. But Doom's character development is *NOWHERE NEAR* Anakin's.

I always saw Dr. Doom as a combination of Iron Man and Dr. Strange, but with the personality flaws of both men going unchecked.

6:33 that MF DOOM sample🤤

@sunflowersamurai10

Жыл бұрын

Beef rap

Doom knows no such thing as failure. To Doom, there are only hindrances on the path to inevitable triumph.

This is perfect. Thank you for putting in words what I've always known about my favorite villain.

Baron Zemo in the MCU movies is the closest person I've seen who shares similar traits or characteristics to Dr. Doom. His character in Falcon & Winter soldier reminds me of Doctor doom so much; even his regal background and accent were spot on.

See man this is why I love ur channel. I’m not someone who loves super hero movies. But I grew up on watching Fantastic Four VHS tapes man and it always was so nostalgic for me ever since. Naturally, it drew me towards MF DOOM aswell. Thank you for always delivering Nerdstalgic.

@Nerdstalgic

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate this, thanks!

_I didn't spend six years in Evil Medical School to be called "mister," thank you very much_

see thats the thing about doom, hes always been presented as a fantastic 4 antagonist in movies when in reality he's his own character with an identity and history independent of them. in a fantastic 4 movie where 4 main characters need to be developed it makes sense he gets short changed sadly. that is why they should instead make a Doom movie. or better yet, a movie that's about another character but only serves as a vehicle to properly introduce doom.

@Spacebattler

Жыл бұрын

No, he's a Fantastic 4 villain through and through.

I feel like we need to start seeing Doom in more of the content.. because of his complexity and the fact that he will be a major villain, he needs screen time in all possible ways. The build up to Thanos worked so well because we had hints at him since Avengers. Years later we see Thanos and how powerful he was. Doom needs this same treatment in a way. I feel if he is just in Fantastic 4 and then all of a sudden he overpowers Kang and takes over, it will feel so rushed and random. We need time to appreciate Doom in the various cinematic aspects. Put him in TV shows, make him a character pulling strings. Mention his name, name drops work too. Have him be the character with cameos in multiple things... I am so excited for what's to come, I just don't want to see it rushed through and they make Doom become ruler because everyone expects it. I want to see his build up, see the payoff after having him in the background. That is a trait of Doom, he is a schemer as well as being powerful. He is always thinking at the bigger picture, always planning for the next 5 steps.

Same issue has happened with Lex Luthor. All the live action adaptations (except maybe Smallville, which wasn't even fully formed as a character) focus on the wacky businessman/scientist part, and not enough on the parallels with their rival superhero, the element that makes them interesting to begin with.

@Darthzilla99

Жыл бұрын

They did a decent job with Lex in the first Christopher Reeves film if you take into context the comics of that time. This was before John Bryne turned rebooted Lex into a calculating billionaire. Lex at the time was a simple evil mad scientist. While Gene Hackman was campy, the parallel between them was that Superman is essentially a humble God who sees himself as a fallible Mortal man while Lex is an egotistical Mortal man who sees himself as an infallible God.

@TighelanderII

Жыл бұрын

Gawd, how I hate Gene Hackman's portrayal of Lex. All it needed were the, "POW" and "BOOF" of the Sixties Batman TV show. Reeves was great, but the movie as a whole was crap.

@finalthought3888

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@ffaristocrat

Жыл бұрын

The John Cryer version on Supergirl captures him best, imho. "At least, he's a good man" "He is NOT a MAN. I am the man of tomorrow, not him! Not him." A man who turns the sun red just so he can show the world that their god can bleed.

We need an entire movie Dedicated just to his development if not more than one

Couldn’t agree more. Let’s hope they get him right in the MCU

@DanielAppleton-lr9eq

3 ай бұрын

The MCU has been batting 1,000 with him so far.

I am planning on building a Doom cosplay for dragoncon next year and this video and comics have definitely helped.

I think in a weird way how complex and skilled Doom is is why he hasn’t been adapted well, it feels kind of cheap to establish that Doom is a super strong, genius, magical master who also rules over a country all in one movie Hopefully the nature of the MCU makes that easier to deal with

@jiggafromstatefarm9997

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking his Own show or movie To establish how great of a character he is

@tutorialslave

Жыл бұрын

If I were in charge, I'd go for a two-pronged approach: give Doom a movie where he has to devise a way out of a maze (outside of time?) Kang trapped him in with some light hints at his genius level intellect and affinity for sorcery; by the end of the film he manages to break free. Then (or concurrently to the movie) release a limited Disney+ series titled "Latveria" depicting everyday life in the country. Each episode is told from the POV of another citizen to flesh out the somewhat complicated relationship between Doom and his people. Show how Latveria thrived under Victor while it has fallen into disrepair and squalor when he suddenly vanished. End the show with Doom's triumphant return, maybe with the added bonus of a brief confrontation wherein he obliterates the warmonger/dictator who tried to fill the power vacuum. In future appearances, I'd pair him up with Strange (either in his own sequel or Dr Strange 3) asking Stephen for help to retrieve his mother's soul from hell; have him almost destroy Wakanda in BP3, seemingly team up with the FF in their sequel and threequel but gradually work towards several pieces of his own puzzle to fall into place so he can usurp either The Beyonders' or even Galactus' power and reign supreme. In a nutshell, go the opposite route to Thanos' sparing teases and brief cameos and deliver a rich and profound canvas of Doom's complexity so we as viewers get to learn all the intricacies that make him uniquely compelling.

@commandercaptain4664

Жыл бұрын

He'd have to be presented without being a parallel mirror to any hero, for Doom has no equal. Also, he has to be irredeemable, which is antithetical to Disneyfilm's fantasy of changing and helping everyone, like some ex-girlfriend in an abusive relationship.

As an eternal Doom stan, having a different backstory for Doom could work. But in making that backstory, you have to take into account how the events will shape him as a person. Backstories are explanations for a character’s actions, not a way to excuse them. In my opinion, Victor doesn’t hate Reed because he has a better reputation. In the comics, Reed pointed out a flaw in the machine that gave Victor his scar, and Victor ignored him because he thought Reed wanted to upstage him. Victor truly believes that he is the hero of this story. And you don’t tell a hero they’re wrong unless you’re a villain. If you’re not trying to be a part of Victor’s solution, then you’re part of the problem. And we all know that Victor von Doom is *very* keen on fixing problems.

@danielramsey6141

3 ай бұрын

Which shows how Flawed he is! He may be a Genius, but he’s so Far up his own Ass that he loses Control! That’s why, No Matter what the Stupid Panther God Says, Doom will never rule the World! He Cannot.

@Spiritof_76

2 ай бұрын

Different back story? They should stick with the original. It was the best one. The changes are why they keep fudging up every Fantastic 4 movie.

Because he deserves his own movie and backstory his story is crazy with hia home latveria.

4:21 speaking of the army’s of creators that get to do their spin on Doom I absolutely loved Jonathan Hickman’s take on Doom man he writes a great Victor Von Doom

OH THE IRONY only DOOM can now SAVE the MCU

@brago900

Жыл бұрын

At the end of the day Doom is always the one who saves the Marvel universe.

Here is my personal top 3 list of the best appearances of Doom that (in my opinion) I think are the most faithful to the true nature of his character: • Hidden Missiles • Footdive • MADVILLAIN • *Footdive*

Me and my buddy had discussed Dr. doom very recently. We always talk about what we would do with him. Here’s what we have come up with. Dr. Doom should go down as the greatest MCU villain ever. Because that’s what he has the potential to be. Give me a force of nature that is never satisfied with anything and he has one goal. Power for his people. We think he’s gonna show up in Wakanda forever, it makes the most sense. In the source material he is known for orchestrating a war between the Atlanteans and Wakanda. Seeing him pull the strings would be excellent as it shows his skills in manipulation. Which lets the audience know what is true power is, his intelligence. His true power doesn’t come from his magic or technology, but his mind. He is an excellent politician and an excellent speaker, when he says something you believe it. He has a conviction about him that is unmatched. We also think it would be cool if we saw the sorcery side of Doom, I feel like the general audience/ population believe he’s a knock off Iron Man when really he has powers at rival that of Doctor Strange and “The Ancient One”. He’s a sorcerer, it’s a big part of his character and what makes him so powerful. We also thought it would be cool if you he went around collecting some “artifacts” and cool objects from previous marvel films. Have his armor be made out of remains of the infinity gauntlet with the magic from the infinity stones. Give him some Vibranium to mix it with that. His armor should be a major power source of not only incredible technology but incredible magic. Two fields he dominates in. Power shouldn’t be his only obsession though, he should be a man who understands that power comes from knowledge. I want to see this may be a scholar, a scientist, a man who understands the world on all fronts, and the worlds beyond our own. I want to see him reading Asgard texts and books from libraries in Ta Lo and Wakanda. He should be a multi-phase villain because he can be. But above all else, he must be WRITTEN WELL! He has to be a compelling character. The people who wrote the backstory‘s for characters like Killmonger, Xu Wenwu, Thanos. Those are the people I want behind Dr. Doom. I think Dr. Doom has the potential to go down as one of the greatest movie antagonist of all time. The potential is limitless and they have an opportunity here. If Marvel gets this right, it will immortalize the character and the studio forever.

I really love the doom in Marvels wasteland era radio show. Haven’t finished it but the short inclusion so far of him is amazing

Personally, I always consider Julian McMahon a great casting because the 2 role he is most known for and 2 roles years after the films all contain aspects of Doom like villains in them. Cole Turner from Charmed, Christian Troy from Nip/Tuck, Jonah from Runaways, Zackariah Webb from Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. The last one in particular is almost a homage to Doom. He definitely can do Doom justice if they ever give him the material.

Can’t present Viktor AND the first family at the same time in 90mins. He needs to be fleshed out. Doom is an entire tale on to himself.

This video is why I subscribed to your channel. You get Doom. I hope, one day, we all get Doom. Latveria Forever! All Hail Doom.

Daniel craig as Dr Doom is like finding josh brolin for thanos

I've said this before: Produce a comics-accurate film devoted solely to Doom's origin -- a film devoted entirely to a villain as its protagonist. Early on, show his rivalry with college classmate Reed, and how he got himself expelled. (It's important to show how deep his contempt for Richards is.) Show his journey to Asia (with flashbacks to his early years in eastern Europe), and how he not only learns sorcery and various other disciplines there, but how he combines these together with technology. Show the creation of the armor and how self-destructively impatient he is to don the mask, even though it's still steaming hot from the forging process. Then have him return to Latveria, conquer it, and establish himself as its absolute ruler. Having achieved this goal, have a scene at the end where he's surrounded by numerous screens monitoring world events, perhaps including his rise to power in Latveria. Then, the events shown on one particular monitor catches his attention. On the screen, four people with fantastic powers are fighting a giant subterranean monster that has just burrowed up through a city street. His eyes go wide, then begin to burn with rage as he recognizes the bizarre stretching man. He smashes the screen with his armor fist, his fury knowing no end. Cue the FF movie.

@commandercaptain4664

Жыл бұрын

That requires Disneyfilm having the patience they used to have at the start of the MCU, instead of now when multiple movies tie in with multiple TV shows in the sloppiest way ("multiple" is the M in MCU) because their Fox debt ain't going nowhere.

@finalthought3888

Жыл бұрын

Wow I really like that idea a lot!!

Doom needs his own film to develop his character.

@mandeepkumarray9050

Жыл бұрын

He needs a better writing.. That's it... Great writing can make great characters in half hour... Getting a movie is just your 'want'.

@zemox2534

Жыл бұрын

@@mandeepkumarray9050 As a fan does he not have a fucking right to see aDr Doom Film?! As I fan myself I say yes! If any villain deserves a solo it's Doom. He deserves more than that stupid bimbo Harley Quinn and way more than that overrated Clown The Joker

@radfrad5359

Жыл бұрын

@@mandeepkumarray9050 You're right, he needs a solo series.

@jiggafromstatefarm9997

Жыл бұрын

@@mandeepkumarray9050 he’s too complex of a character to not be in his own movie

I hope one day we get a great fantastic 4 movie and cool video man :]

I really enjoyed the 2005 interpretation especially Julian McMahon’s performance. But it’s just nostalgic for me. He does play great villains

We need Mf DOOM on the soundtrack if they were to make a solo movie For Dr. doom!

@brothatisfunny

Жыл бұрын

I have terrible news for you buddy

@quackistan

Жыл бұрын

@@brothatisfunny yeah really sucks that DOOM deleted all his music right after he died so it couldn't be on a soundtrack

@niganools1502

Жыл бұрын

@@quackistan Wait??? What???

@commandercaptain4664

Жыл бұрын

@@quackistan Define "deleted".

In "Multiverse Of Madness," it's shown that those who deal with dreamwalking are plagued with demons. Maybe this is what happens to Victor's mother in the MCU. I just hope that he's shown as an incredible genius, and someone worthy of being the Sorcerer Supreme, but he's too busy running Latveria to do either.

@costanzafaust

Жыл бұрын

I've always thought of him as maybe not the smartest scientist in the room, maybe not the greatest magic wielder, but certainly the most potent combination of the two, and willing to think of and do the things that people like Stark, Richards, & Strange would never even consider.

Frank Langella's Skeletor is the best depiction of Doom we have.

Always loved how they portrayed him in Marvel Ultimate Alliance

imo it's a mistake to connect doom with the F4 origin story, which both films did. it's ok to have connection with the group, like victor and reed together at the university, but doom also needs to be an independent threat for his crazy character to shine

He needs more screen time, a solo movie perhaps

What makes doom a unique and memorable villian is that he's an honorable villian. Yes, he's willing to do a LOT for power but never at the cost of his own honor.

I've always thought of Doom as the earthbound version of Thanos. Dark genius. Someone who was forsaken by Fate. And whose power is mostly self-obtained. They did Thanos right enough because they gave him multiple dimensions. Thanos could make a compelling moral argument, even though it was still evil. They just have to repeat that but with the themes and background of Dr Doom

At this point in time, I am rooting for Dr. Doom to fix things in the MCU

"passion of sue storm" is a stretch lol but i'm with you for the rest. good vid man

They should do a Books of Doom style series after they introduce him in the Fantastic Four. Would be perfect.

I have always wondered why the cinematic universe never got it right because I LOVE the Victor Von Doom character: Doom is simultaneously epic and tragic.

Doctor Doom is my favourite Marvel Comics villain and one of my favourite villains in general. He is such a fascinating, complex and multi faceted Shakespearean character, both a master of magic and science, and has the potential to be one of the best cinematic villains in history, if written well and given time and development. I've always had a soft spot for the 2005 Fantastic Four film and still has a place in nostalgic heart, I do have to admit that while Julian McMahon by no means a perfect Doctor Doom, I still liked his performance and it seems like he was having a fun time as the character regardless, so while it's not perfect or accurate it's still tolerable and enjoyable for the time. However I unfortunately cannot say the same thing for Toby Kebbell's Doctor Doom in Fan4stic (2015), and of course it was not his fault for the film flopping or the portrayal of Marvel's greatest villain, but simply due to the actions of Josh Trank, Fox Studio's meddling and having no passion for the project. I thoroughly hope the MCU finally nail Doctor Doom in live-action as he is destined to make his cinematic come back as Marvel's greatest villain, and should be give true dedication and time to develop in the long term and given to an actor and director who are passionate about portraying the Ruler of Latveria in all his metallic glory.

The best live action dr doom incarnation is MF DOOM

4:54 We've seen many scary facets of Doctor Doom, but none as terrifying as happy-thirsty Doom.

We need some portrayal more like MF DOOM.

Try fitting that backstory into a two hour movie. The is a reason DOOM is badass, is because the medium he was created in allows him to be.

MF Doom is the only man to wear the mask and do it justice it seems.

"I became a God once, I found it.....beneath me." - Doom

1:24 this frame is crazy. The hulk being a foot shorter than namor?!!!