For people wondering how the stats were calculated, Litmus tracked 1.7 billion email opens between September of 2021 and October of 2022, and they compiled their findings. You can read more about it here: www.litmus.com/email-client-market-share/

@paulpinecone2464

Жыл бұрын

"Litmus tracks email opens". And you have the nerve to say the word Privacy.

@marcsasson

Жыл бұрын

You're using data from post-Apple MPP launch which means that all emails in apple are considered open. This changes things completely since other providers do not do this

@PrinceKoopa

Жыл бұрын

How were you able to track the number of emails opened, for Gmail?

@Mr.Thursday

Жыл бұрын

I think you should differentiate between Email Service Provider and Email Service Client. These are quite interchangeable.

@raylopez99

Жыл бұрын

@@malonson4537 Yep, I saw this. The metrics by Litmus for service provider appears to be (based on it seems largely smartphones rather than desktop): about 40% for Apple and 30% for Gmail, 8% for Outlook and 5% for Yahoo, rest is others, as of 2021 and probably true today.

Since no one else seems to notice this, I'll point it out. The market share that graph is referring to is Client market share. When it says Apple has 59.5% of the market, it means Apple's mail clients, not iCloud email. When it refers to Gmail, it is referring to the web gmail client and the iOS and Android apps of the Gmail client. I have a gmail account, but I access it through Apple Mail on my iPhone. This would be reported under Apple on this graph, despite the fact that I'm using the gmail service. Gmail is still very dominant in terms of the service people are using, it's just that most people use the included mail app on their phone to access their gmail account.

@dewiz9596

Жыл бұрын

Indeed!

@NXNX7

Жыл бұрын

Ye, I wasn't buying that graph, because how can apple have a 60% email share when the number of apple devices is nowhere near that market share.

@NicholasFlamy

Жыл бұрын

Anyone using the old Samsung email app (Samsung used to have their own app until Android 10 or 11) also doesn't count as Gmail.

@helpmeget100subs

Жыл бұрын

@@NXNX7 well Apple has very near that market share in the US. But makes a good point of how can they when it’s still less for iPhone users owners

@pmkansara

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. He mixed up email clients with email service providers. As an email service provider, Gmail is still leading and Apple is way behind (obviously as email service is not their primary business focus).

I think Google is not losing users. The smaller players are just growing.

@jeschinstad

Жыл бұрын

It's like when people say that Linux Desktop has stayed at 1% since the nineties. It's not an insult, it means that Linux Desktop has been able to grow as quickly as Microsoft, Google and Apple and if you think about how impressive that is, it's actually quite a compliment. :)

@revelmonger

Жыл бұрын

@Not That Guy people like choosing an ecosystem. Microsoft accounts integrate windows, outlook and teams.

@DrBernon

Жыл бұрын

The fact people have Gmail does not mean they use it. If the small players grow, it is because people are abandoning Gmail and starting to use the others. And after decades of google dominance, the fact the others grow is very significant, because after decades of giving your email address, to change it, is as hard as changing the phone number. Start updating all your profiles in every service you ever used. (very hard)

@cbazxy2697

Жыл бұрын

@@revelmonger people also like to have privacy

@revelmonger

Жыл бұрын

@@cbazxy2697 you think Microsoft gives you more privacy than Google? Emails are not end to end encrypted. If you use outlook Microsoft can see the full unencrypted content of the emails. Privacy is a myth and your argument is invalid.

I think the main issue with your presentation is that you confuse the Gmail client with the Gmail email (or Google account). As an email I think it’s safe to say that at this point in time everyone has one, so they’re quite safe in that aspect. As a client though, it doesn’t really matter which you use since they’ll use your email data from the email that their hosting for you anyway. The Gmail client is just there as the default way to access your inbox, I personally use the Apple email client, just because it syncs well through my devices. But confusing that and saying that people are switching to Outlook because of more storage, that’s not a client perk, but an email hosting service perk, and I’d be highly sceptical if people switch their 15+ years old email addresses just so they can have a couple of GBs of storage for example.

@BoltRM

Жыл бұрын

I see both Outlook & Gmail accounts have 15GB free storage, but Microsoft offers an additional 5GB on their OnDrive. It's free, but I prefer to not split up my storage into a 2nd storage acct for only 5GB worth. If I need more, I'd rather get another free 15GB Gmail account, than a 2nd storage acct for only 5GB. If that makes sense..

@BoltRM

Жыл бұрын

I do however, prefer the organizational options available in Outlook vs Gmail, plus I've used it for years at work. In short my personal emails are multiple Gmails & I feed those into my "Desktop" Outlook client for filtering purposes.

@p0xus

Жыл бұрын

@@BoltRM I think you missed what he was saying. Hes saying that email client is not the same as an email service. I use Thunderbird as my email client, and a variety of email services that I use through Thunderbird.

@eng3d

4 ай бұрын

even if it is the client then how many people use the apple mail app?

1) Gmail doesn't care about your security 2) Good luck opening a support ticket with Google

Wait what. I always use Gmail.

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

Same, seems to be a trend away from it though

@osy777

Жыл бұрын

I didn't realize people were ditching Gmail 🥺.

@cbazxy2697

Жыл бұрын

Tutamail

@9ernation543

Жыл бұрын

I think it's more business wise for outlook

@xxxkingxl

Жыл бұрын

I too

I used to use local email provider, then I switched to google when it started. Switching emails is annoying and you have to keep track of your mailbox for years. The only thing that would make me switch away from gmail is a self-hosted mail with comparable features to gmail. I don't see much of a point at switching to another tech company's service for privacy reasons as they are all in data business.

@meyer.oppelt

Жыл бұрын

I have a mailgun free account connected to my gmail account with a custom domain. If I ever want to switch email clients, I can just input credentials into another client.

@theosiegstolz3991

Жыл бұрын

@@meyer.oppelt this gives you unlimited aliases?

@kiradotee

Жыл бұрын

@@meyer.oppelt you would probably still need to download the inbox and then re-upload it into the new email client? So that if you need to search or reference old email you don't have to constantly use 2 email clients.

@icyhotonmynuts

Жыл бұрын

Oh goodness. You do *not* want the headache of self hosted emails.

@yurchiie

Жыл бұрын

I use proton now. They're supposed to be end-to-end encrypted and privacy oriented, and I trust them till now. But yes, I'm still getting a bunch of emails to my Gmail account and it's not going to stop anytime soon, so I have to keep checking. And of course, my university and my workplace use outlook, so I now have essentially 3 email clients to keep track of ☠☠

Protonmail is a good alternative and allows for end to end encryption (as long as the other party is on the same boat)

@johnkennettle7567

4 ай бұрын

But most people are not on the same boat.

@isabear478

Ай бұрын

its pretty much useless if the person your sending it too dosent have proton as well

@seansingh4421

Ай бұрын

I really like Protonmail but I seriously hate integration issues that it has.

@markylon

21 күн бұрын

@@isabear478 Not true, if you send a secure email to a non proton email user they will have to open the email in a secure web page with a pre arranged password then they reply from that page, so the whole chain is fully encrypted.

An interesting point is that gmail has almost no user support. If your account is suddenly blocked, you will have practically nowhere to write to figure out what is happening and how to fix it.

@SuperVirgin-vc3jd

Ай бұрын

This is the problem. I've had to make new ones after switching phone numbers.

For me its the complete opposite, outlook is a nightmare to use and always forces me to change the password every time i use it. Gmail is always logged on so it's not annoying when i need to use it.

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

Fair enough

@allahbless2278

Жыл бұрын

Imagine caring more about convenience than security with something as important as your email account 🤡

@petuska

Жыл бұрын

@@allahbless2278 don't forget ads on free outlook web client. Wtf is that??

@da4127

Жыл бұрын

@@allahbless2278please tell me how anyone would get into my gmail account? They would need access to my phone, which would be really hard to get, and I don’t see how being logged in all the time increases that risk, plus, I can still use gmail with conveniency for everyday use, and if I want to buy XXXL dildos, I can use a different email account for security

@pedroferreira8623

Жыл бұрын

Agree. I have to use outlook for work and, while the desktop app is good, the Web and mobile app are horrible to use. Gmail still has the best UI and ease to use

we cant deny that Gmail is soo much involve in our lives that we cant switch to other alternatives

@somebodyirrelevant9515

Жыл бұрын

It is absolutely possible to switch from Gmail.

@abdullahrajput7059

Жыл бұрын

@@somebodyirrelevant9515 maybe you can but i cant coz of android phone emailing by gmail is convenient, google contacts for backup same for some photos youtube there is too much dominance of google because of android if android will end then maybe all can be collapse

@Treznor.

Жыл бұрын

You will likely want to keep your Google account, and therefore Gmail, but you absolutely can still switch to whatever else for your email and basically let Gmail just sit there, slowly migrating to the new one you chose as you receive emails to gmail.

@anonymousboy8960

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@foca2002

Жыл бұрын

Never used gmail in my life and I´m in the web since the 90s. Yahoo! and Hotmail are my first e-mail for decades.

I am in the process of de-googling myself. It's surprisingly hard to to. Getting away from Gmail is next on my list. It was a mistake to throw all apples in the google basket. Convenient yes, smart no. As a techie I like to host all my essential services at home.

@brainwashalpha5495

Жыл бұрын

im doing the same right now, switched to linux and firefix and trying to be more privacy minded. google has really dominated many markets and its hard to get away from using gmail since its integrated into many parts of my daily life

You forgot to mention that Gmail was initially ad-free. I had been using Yahoo for years. It had become full of spam and ADS! In 2005, some random guy on KZread offered me an invitation so sign up for Gmail. I knew that it had 1GB of storage, which was desirable, but I also found out that it was ad-free. I jumped on that very quickly! It was SO NICE to have such a clean, easy to use interface! Years later, Google started forcing advertisements into Gmail. I am STILL not happy about that, but it's nowhere near as bad as the ads I was receiving in Yahoo back in the early 2000s.

Once my GMail account got locked and I had to deal with a nightmare. All my online presence was held hostage to a single email and I was not able to get any support. That's why I decided to move to a self-hosted mail service that I maintain myself.

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

That doesn’t sound fun, glad it worked out

@JJs_playground

Жыл бұрын

I had the same thing happen to me, but I complained on Reddit and Twitter and somehow my Gmail account got reactivated.

@aniketprasad3128

Жыл бұрын

My gmail got locked out too. Happily I had my phone linked to it. Hence could recover it easily

@ghostryydr

Жыл бұрын

Y'all are extremely lucky. I had 2 Gmail/Google accounts with almost all of my online history. Both are gone with no way of recovering them. Sad really.

@JJs_playground

Жыл бұрын

@@ghostryydr what I do is take periodic backup of my entire Google account. Google has a feature called "takeout". It allows you to back up everything Google has on you: emails, Photos, all your Google drive documents, etc... I do this every 6 months or so.

I use Yahoo because I've always used Yahoo, and they never conflicted with my workflow since 2007. That being said, I'm happy I did so, because when Google Photos fill your cloud storage, your MAILS stop syncing, what the hell!

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

Have people ever frowned about that?

@capitanodessa7472

Жыл бұрын

@@LogicallyAnswered No, but they some times wonder why I never have to make a new email address whenever I buy a new phone (Some people think that gmail emails are unique on a PHONE basis where I live), or why I can access to my Google account using a yahoo email. Google created a gmail email without my consent at some point using my yahoo email name, but I don't use it.

@GregMoress

Жыл бұрын

My Yahoo account was hacked twice... The only way for that to be possible is if bad employees sell passwords. Employees should not have access to passwords, so Yahoo is only for junk mail now.

@chadnoneo9769

Жыл бұрын

My condolences on your mountain of spam emails.

@wintersprite

Жыл бұрын

I use Yahoo for one of my websites as I’ve had it since Geocities days.

I operate a mail-order retail business, and I've noticed that I've SURELY had more customers changing their email to gmail, than running from it. I have definitely noticed this even more in the past two or three years.

Just want to say I’ve been here since like 1.2k subscribers when u changed ur channel focus. I watched like one of 20 videos but whenever I do I watch it all. Keep up the good work

Apple just stops other apps from tracking you. Apple has workarounds in their own first party apps to collect your data. The one that I find worst of all is bypassing VPNs in some of their apps so they can still track you. Not a good look, this has made me trust my iPhone and iPad less.

@manishgoyal7677

Жыл бұрын

Apple is by far the most hypocritical company on this planet.

@LilacMonarch

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly what they're doing, they're marketing themselves as being better for privacy but it's actually just them taking all the data for themselves.

@sbomaggz

Жыл бұрын

Apple is not better, they are just better at stealing customers from other companies

@goochipoochie

Жыл бұрын

Not only that, since Apple has full control on both hardware and software they have been able to build in such insane levels of hardware backdoors on your device that basically they have complete control over your device at all times and there is nothing you can do about it. Their access cannot even be detected because it works beyond OS and root level access (like a normal malware or app would)

@dhamotharan1734

Жыл бұрын

@@goochipoochie how would you know?

A bit of a funny story. I received an invite from the one of the first groups of people testing gmail (it was originally by invitation only). The guy that sent the invite was an engineer at Apple. Apple beta tested Gmail. 😂

@copycatt2579

Жыл бұрын

This is normal.

@frank-t6857

Жыл бұрын

I also got my Gmail when it was Beta in 2004. I got the invitation from a guy in California. The deal was that I sent him a postcard from Norway as a thanks 🙂

@williamhaynes7089

Жыл бұрын

When iphone launched it had Chrome as its default browser

@cagedtigersteve

Жыл бұрын

I got invited to gmail in the early days from someone at random from google. It was sent to my school email address so I think they were just scouring tech schools for people to invite as this was in the beta stage of development.

@markh.6687

Жыл бұрын

Bill Gates once wrote Apple to tell them how to better market and position their company, computers and software so to build market share and compete on their own strongpoints, not fight with Microsoft and the industry over stuff everybody agreed on like certain tech standards, fonts, etc. Gates actually wanted Apple to succeed believing Office for Apple would still help Microsoft grow market share. This is reported in the book "Apple: The inside story of intrigue, egomania, and business blunders", by Jim Carlton (1997).

Apple 🍏 has mail? 🤔

I use both. For me, my life is on my one drive and Microsoft suite is amazing for work and even personal. But when it comes to a great entertainment and user experience across devices especially for internet services, my Gmail is priceless. That integration between Google Chrome, a central log in, browser history etc is crucial for me. So personally, both.

@train_xc

Жыл бұрын

I use Firefox and it’s is great with sync now. I’ve now Firefox on my office thinkpad, personal MacBook and my mobile phone and the sync between them are seamless

@jjco665

Жыл бұрын

I prefer gmail on everything, but my job uses Microsoft, ugggh.... but we agree on one thing. No apple lol

@yogsothoth00

Жыл бұрын

Use Edge it's better than Chrome these days

@PeacefulPariah

5 ай бұрын

my life is on OneDrive too, and I don't even know how it happened. What's done is done, but I'm not in love with OneDrive. I'm definitely down with most of the Microsoft suite, though. You're spot on about Google's advantages. Location Services are money.

I use Gmail for personal use, and outlook for work.

@jkfred

Жыл бұрын

that's what we all do!

@user-ir6xh2mx9d

Жыл бұрын

Same thing xD

@carlgrove8793

Жыл бұрын

I do somewhat the reverse, yahoo mail for personal stuff and Gmail for the rest. However, for attaching photos Gmail seems to allow bigger files, which can be handy. Frankly 90% of the technical stuff that you discuss here goes over my head anyway!

@JIRKA_Praha

Жыл бұрын

Gmail for personal, Apple for business.

@junaidgurmani

Жыл бұрын

Same

So something interesting is that my university around 3 years ago used to use Google Products, but they eventually transitioned completely into Microsoft products, which included the switch from Gmail to Outlook, so now all of our emails for every student in the uni's system go into their Outlooks and not their Gmails. Gmail literary doesn't work anymore for us students and even the faculty, everything is done through Outlook and the rest of MS's products.

The problem is gmail(mailing service not app) does not support 3rd party push syncing and hence if we do not use gmail app notifications are delayed.

I switched from Gmail to Outlook only because my Gmail got too cluttered with useless stuff. However, with a family subscription to Office 365, everyone in my family gets 1TB of storage on OneDrive, access to Office apps, and most importantly for me, both my school and university use Microsoft offerings so the integration is better. p.s.: I prefer how the Outlook app looks compared to the Gmail app.

@PermanaJayanta

Жыл бұрын

Agree, I also switch to Family subscription a year ago. It just most reasonable plan for me. This also solved cloud storage problem.

@grabedigger

Жыл бұрын

yup same here, 1TB family sub.

@minaryeon9259

Жыл бұрын

I agree, way too many scams on Gmail and harder to delete on app. I like Outlook app look better.

@jocanine2750

Жыл бұрын

i like gmail alot better, but i've switched to outlook cause my uni uses it and i didn't really have a choice

@markuserikssen

Жыл бұрын

I'm using both Gmail and Outlook. I like both, but the spam filters on Outlook are way worse than Gmail. I constantly get spam mails in my inbox, not marked as junk. This never happens for me in Gmail.

My company switched to outlook a couple of months ago It's pretty nice

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

Outlook is great for business and Microsoft office

@ran160

Жыл бұрын

My college uses outlook for students. But gmail is the best for personal use imo

@PrinceKoopa

Жыл бұрын

@@LogicallyAnswered I disagree. I think Google is better than Microsoft for business. Google email, docs, sheets, and slides are much easier to use across devices and for team collaboration.

@MV-qs6yj

Жыл бұрын

@@PrinceKoopa well if your business use microsoft then you got, Outlook, MS team, office 365(word,excel,PowerPoint etc) both offline full version and online, prettymuch for business is good. My university use google for the 2months because of covid, then they change it to microsoft me and my friends are pretty happy about it because we got office official and cloud etc then ms team are great. My aunt office also use microsoft now because of the collaboration help her office to be more effective and efficient.

@PrinceKoopa

Жыл бұрын

@Eiad Mosleh 💯

Gmail is the worlds longest April fool's day joke.

I am using both Outlook and gmail, then linked both accounts for better protection. But I mainly using Outlook for sending/recieving mails while having gmail as backup.

@JeanMarcDesvaux

Жыл бұрын

why a backup? use gmail only and you won't need a backup.🙂

Gmail was my first email provider and my primary email, I switched to proton mail with custom domain a few years back.

You can use Gmail on the apple and Outlook client as well so does the graph include those

Institutions are also able to host their own outlook servers with custom domains (really helpful for internal mail in universities or large companies)

I've used Gmail daily for 10 years now and if I have something to complain about, it would be the interface. It's pretty good but it's still polluted with a lot of apps and buttons and infos you don't need and don't use. Also they have gone full "zero right angle" recently, over the night, and you can't do shit about it. I also got my account and every important email on it stolen few years ago and I had no one to talk to. After ten years I still feel like I own nothing and my opinion doesn't matter, so if Microsoft offers something better I'll move to Outlook.

It's fun because now I know that my checking of outlook more and more often is part of a big global phenomenon I never thought about. Really love your videos

@PrinceKoopa

Жыл бұрын

I only use the gmail app and gmail website now.

@muhammad-bin-american

Жыл бұрын

When it comes to e-mail and calendar there is no serious debate. Outlook is better. I was part of the original users of Gmail when it came came out but gradually switched back to Outlook.

@PrinceKoopa

Жыл бұрын

@@muhammad-bin-american that’s understandable. There were a few hiccups in the earlier stages of gmail with the ads and security. Google has sense then made significant improvements to Gmail for a better user experience and best in class security features. Hopefully you’ll give Gmail another chance in the future!

The university partnerships made by Microsoft is definetely the reason I came back using Microsoft mail service, specially with a tool like MS Teams during pandemic times

Another great video brother!! Thank you again and have a great week!!

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

Thank you ask always Daniel!

Gmail and Google products are a lot more common in the start up world than traditional companies from my experience. It is easier to build from the ground up and manage centrally/collaborate. I think once a company is in an ecosystem they won't change so Google products/Gmail will be more prevalent in newer companies

@sillimilli3802

Жыл бұрын

Only time will tell. My bet is that Microsoft will still be the more prevalent suite used by companies in the future, these startups make a bit more money and then ditch Google products.

@Metlson

Жыл бұрын

@@sillimilli3802 yeah that's fair

@folti78

Жыл бұрын

Until they got bought up by a big company, that's already have it's infrastructure built around Microsoft. Then the old Google one will be chucked out after migration. Yeah, that happened to my workplace.

Yeah citing the "do not track" feature as a positive thing for Apple mail isnt exactly a good example. Because the "do not track" feature does not apply consistently to apple services. Other Apps, yes, but not Apples own services.

This is one of the most underrated channel, you deserve way more subscribers ❤️

I have a Gmail account, but use it in the outlook app since that gets me email on wrist 😅 plus I use the Gmail platform at work, so having email on another app makes me feel more detached from work off hours.

I've been using Yahoo since I was a kid for personal things while Gmail for professional things. I've currently connected my Yahoo with my youtube channel as well (pretty legacy, I know) and I'm currently looking at using Zoho mail for professional things instead.

@PrinceKoopa

Жыл бұрын

Yahoo was great. You should consider trying out Gmail. The security features on Gmail makes me feel much safer than Yahoo.

I've always been thinking to fully switch into Apple's iCloud Mail with compatibility for Micorsoft Office. I prefer Apple's take on an email client while making it function with Microsoft's office apps. Apple's email client is simple to use and can integrate with my existing Gmail and I can make it work fine with Outlook.

The one thing that bothers me about Gmail is the lack of formatting options. With Outlook I can format lists for example but for Gmail it’s been a couple decades and this feature still doesn’t exist. Like how?

My company uses outlook ever since and I thought they were outdated. How wrong I was. Although I do have to note that it's quite frustrating to send files because they don't push through when it's too large for outlook.

@abhikamthe

Жыл бұрын

It’s the same for Gmail. In gmail when we send large files they get uploaded to our google drive and the recipient then downloads it from ur Google Drive. It’s just google has made it very easy and user friendly.

@jackwong64

Жыл бұрын

I think you need an IT guy there.

@markylon

21 күн бұрын

Who sends large files via email, sounds like you need some training

In that case, create a Google account with a non-gmail addresses like Yahoo or outlook or even proton mail, keeping in mind that they have not been used as a backup or recovery mail for any Google account.

My favorite email client was Google's Inbox. I was so sure it was going to replace Gmail, but they killed it and tried to Frankenstein the features into Gmail instead. Now the UX is even more trash than it was before

I think Gmail's biggest problem is Google forcing it to be a Frankenstein app alongside Meet and other things. Also, their terrible rebranding that basically got rid of the uniqueness of their product iconography.

@DancerOfClouds

Жыл бұрын

I hate the Gmail App and will only ever use the web version

@brainwashalpha5495

Жыл бұрын

the old web version i think before 2019 was good now it sucks

@PARADOXsquared

Жыл бұрын

@@DancerOfClouds I still miss Inbox to this day. Going back to the main Gmail app after that was so jarring.

@samcolt1079

4 ай бұрын

Google and gmail want to get into everything that you do. THEY BOTH SUCK

There are 2 set of email users a.) individuals b.)businesses The first category is dropping down irrespective of provider as the communication channel now has shifted to whatsapp , fb messenger etc. I don't think its ditching 'gmail' as google product, but generally the email as a service itself. To make things interesting there are these many temporary email services which let you create a random email for subscription etc.. and the new generation is tech savvy to use this.

Interesting point of view. I use gmail because as a small company a favor collaboration over advanced features no one knows how to use. And I live the multiple inbox option from Gmail that others clients don’t replicate well. These types of features could give Gmail a new life. Some basic features are missing, like embedding an email as a chip in a task, or a calendar event. Those are the innovations that would make Google trend up again, by having the easy to use suite.

How does Samsung mail app compare to Gmail app? Any help? We need a video on that for non-apple users

I used to think abt Gmail without any second thought, it was so good to use and refreshing. But, these days, Gmail is just messy, too focused on being intuitive, and non-traditional, resulting in a confused interface that actually decreases productivity. I'm switching back to outlook for my primary account and apple is cool and at that, but I don't want to be locked in their walled garden.

There are few Gmail features that are extremely useful that you won't get with any other email service or client... The most important one in my opinion would be the labels that allow you to better organise your emails without the need to copy/paste them into multiple folders (and waste space if they have some heavier attachments). One super-feature would also be adding any word or set of characters after a + sign that would follow your gmail username and before the @ sign - any email sent to this address would still be received as normaly, but you'll be able to see to wich + signature was the email sent and you can use that for organising your inbox (also, if you receive an email from an unknown sender, you could see what email address had they exactly used and you could pinpoint the origin of the leak)... As long as at least the label system for organizing isn't offered by any other service, I don't see any competition and if they ever offer such a solution, they'll still have to compete against gmail with their own super-features or at least match the ones Gmail offers to even cause a concern for Google. Now, although this sound as if I'm defending Google, I'd actually like to see competition doing any of this. I would probably even switch to Outlook as my main email client if it would offer these 2 features I was talking about...

From an it admins perspective, it’s easier to use m365 services over gmail just because of the Active Directory aspect and integration with all Microsoft products

@jeschinstad

Жыл бұрын

I hate having to compete with it admins who would sacrifice the good of the client for the comfort of the admin. This is really sinister stuff. I agree that Microsoft makes things comfortable for IT pros, but it also replaces an initial investment with permanent cost. If my client has a pain in the ass, I will examine what they're sitting on. Your solution is to sell them addictive pain medication.

I was a email engineer and used litmus extensively - where the data was from. Everyone hates Outlook. Why? They use Microsoft excel as the rendering engine and performs terribly compared to Gmail. So my advice is to use Gmail because its better

Guys is there anybody using iCloud Mail with custom domain? Still waiting Catch All feature for iCloud Custom Domain ! Catch All feature is key for mail use but unfortunately there is no word about it on their support site. Any idea?

Another thing is that, regardless if you pay for Google One subscription or using a Google Workspace account, you will still see ads on Gmail. Unlike on Outlook where if you have a MS 365 subscription, ads are just gone.

@stanleycolene

Жыл бұрын

There are no ads in Gmail for Google Workspace

@lordwiz6653

Жыл бұрын

@@stanleycolene youtube a part of Google have different paid services so it's basically like every other service you have to pay differently which is absurd.

@JeanMarcDesvaux

Жыл бұрын

Wrong. .No Ads in Google Workspace and much more security than in anything else. I see many wrong or false statements in this video and in the comments. It really looks like an outlook Advert.

@jarionscarlight

Жыл бұрын

@@JeanMarcDesvaux In our university Google Workspace accounts, we still see ads on Gmail. Maybe it's based on different plans.

@JeanMarcDesvaux

Жыл бұрын

@@jarionscarlight In Google Workspace Education (all editions) all core services, e.g. Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Drive/Docs, Google Chat, Google Sites, and Google Groups have no ads and no data collection etc.. like for all Workspace editions. KZread I think is not part of the core services. Good to check & know what type of accounts you use at the university if you have Ads in gmail.

I'm and outlook fan. It's so much easier to set up automatons / filters. Also I can never seem to find the email i'm searching for in Gmail. For some reason the search function just refuses to find what i'm looking for even if I remember seeing it just a day or so ago.

@FlorinArjocu

Жыл бұрын

That sounds strange to me. Gmail always had the best search, the only thing is that having so many email, one might have to be good at sorting the results.

My personal assumption at the start of this video would be that the rise of Microsoft Teams as a school, university, and work tool means that *everyone* there will have to have a separate outlook account associated with it, which makes the percieved numbers of people using the service much higher because of necessity. Believe me I much prefer Gmail, but my university email is Outlook so I have no choice but to use it most of the time.

@jeffreymayes907

Жыл бұрын

Your university email is not Outlook. Outlook is a email program just like Apple Mail. Both Outlook and Apple Mail will talk to multiple email platforms. Your university is using Exchange.

@milohdd

Жыл бұрын

@Jeffrey Mayes cool, thanks. Yeah my university is using exchange - but we HAVE to use outlook as our email program to access our emails regardless of that fact. You don't always need to correct someone on the internet.

@jeffreymayes907

Жыл бұрын

@@milohdd I was 'correcting' as you put it because the video conflates email platforms with email programs. As did your comment. I was not trying to offend you, but understanding the differences is important. If you knew the difference, why validate the misinformation of the video?

I'm looking for alternatives because it fails to send me notifications often. Also I have no way of prioritizing emails to send notifications, and using the surge, there's no way to search for all emails for example from a spam company and delete them. Not in the Android app. It's just strange to me that they don't seem to develop the app whatsoever

To be honest I don't think people are ditching Gmail. Gmail is the only reliable mail service everyone is using and it really has no strong competitor.

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

It’s not necessarily that people are ditching Gmail altogether. But they’re using other platforms more and more.

@emmanuelben1393

Жыл бұрын

@@LogicallyAnswered @LogicallyAnswered that's true, I really like your content man. Well done. I have a video suggestion about India's rise in tech startups and how it's affecting their economy.

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Emmanuel, I’ll look into that

@kenny6839

Жыл бұрын

ProtonMail is extremely reliable

@Youtubeiscoolandgreat

Жыл бұрын

Apple Mail is great for me as I can use my gmail accounts as well as my personal iCloud account in the same app.

Ironically Hotmail got combined into Outlook, so I can use my old hotmail account with outlook. I think back in the day Outlook was just an external (personal/business) email server creation program, while Hotmail a part of MSN was a client end email service (usually used through browsers at the time). So Microsoft basically did the same thing google did, but with their services focused on email. I think Outlook still does have it's features from the past along with having the Hotmail style email client for browsers and the app for smartphones (which for the latter gmail also has).

@train_xc

Жыл бұрын

I used thunderbird before.

@myth_bitemytoast1374

Жыл бұрын

Bro wtf you just restored my Hotmail account that I haven’t had access to for like way too many years. Whenever the change happened I also switched phones and I set up an updated gmail account cause I was subscribed to absurd amounts of spam mail on my Hotmail account so I just reset entirely fresh on gmail - I still had some accounts of certain sites and apps set to the old Hotmail account and whenever I’d try to log into my Hotmail account in gmail for confirmation stuff or pw changes, it would just sign me into the inbox of the new gmail account which both have different mails(I mean one is literally hotmail and one is gmail so wtf) and different passwords. But it just always logged me into the new gmail account for whatever reason and I haven’t had access to the old hotmail for YEARS. You said it merged into outlook which I never looked at or thought about once and tried to log in with the old Hotmail info and it’s actually the old one. With 16k spam mail but it’s there, after so many years LOOL Thanks I guess

@Fireberries

Жыл бұрын

The only problem with this is in my experience, its difficult to search problemsolving for the web browser client because most things are written for the application. Admittedly I've not searched in a good while so it might have changed, but it was terribly frustrating because the client had updated and thus was incompatible with the stuff written for Hotmail

@markh.6687

Жыл бұрын

Hotmail was bought by Microsoft many moons ago, but was originally a stand-alone email system that M$ decided was worth buying. The owners held out for an insane price, and M$ paid it after trying to negotiate with the owners more than once. The story is told in the book "The Nudist On The Late Shift" by Po Bronson (1999).

@PinkAgaricus

Жыл бұрын

@@markh.6687 So Hotmail started off how Outlook was at first for Microsoft before it got combined with Hotmail in recent history ("recent history" is referring to Hotmail and Outlook combining, not Hotmail's acquisition).

I dont think of switching away from Gmail. I love Google software ecosystem and currently thinking of even trying Google Pixel .

Because you can’t change your email address once you created it. You’re stuck with the gmail address you made for the rest of your life. Outlook lets you have 10 email addresses and you can choose which address is your main.

@JoshDownin

Жыл бұрын

you can have multiple emails and add extensions to organize them

@devsda1

Жыл бұрын

@@JoshDownin but your original email will still need to be used as a prefix. outlook and icloud mail lets you have completely different addresses

@JoshDownin

Жыл бұрын

@@devsda1 are they all attached to the same account?

@devsda1

Жыл бұрын

@@JoshDownin yes you can create multiple addresses under one outlook account

@JoshDownin

Жыл бұрын

@@devsda1 ok that's pretty cool can't lie

Interesting point to mention forced adoption, and also have Apple be on top of that list. Apple is exceptional at one thing: marketing to the average consumer. Their service is equivalent, and often times, worse than their competitors. Gmail's UI is also pretty questionable.

@mastixencounter

Жыл бұрын

he interpreted that data wrong. his market share graph is referring to is Client market share. When it says Apple has 59.5% of the market, it means Apple's mail clients, not iCloud email. When it refers to Gmail, it is referring to the web gmail client and the iOS and Android apps of the Gmail client. U can have a gmail account but access it through Apple Mail on the iPhone. This would be reported under Apple on this graph, despite the fact that u could be using the gmail service.

@americanfreedomandworldpea6912

6 ай бұрын

Gmail UI is awful, can't "select all" emails, can't create folders, etc

The spam filtering in Outlook suuucks. I cant even remember the last time I got a spam letter in my main folder.

i use gmail for most of my accounts, i have yahoo originally but with how integrated gmail is in many sites that i use (especially youtube), i just decided to keep using gmail and have only gone to yahoo in few sites/apps that i still use it on (like facebook). our school have required us to create an account in ms office, and use outlook mainly for school related purposes. but i find outlook to be a bit annoying to use, cause i keep having to sign in everytime i open it. i know it's for security purposes, and it's not like i always use it, but the thought of having to type my address then look for my password (cause i tend to forget it), just to send or check for one or two mails. and with how many people i know use it, i can't really see any reason to ditch it and use something else.

I love the user interface of Gmail than outlook. I use both. But my primary account is Gmail for more than a decade now and it is hard to switch completely.

@truthteller8336

Жыл бұрын

Gmail's interface is laughable compared to Outlook.

Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that Gmail is banned in China while Outlook is wildly used there?

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

Didn’t even think about that haha. That’s def a big factor with China advancing so much

Had to use Outlook for school but I had a Gmail account. The Outlook app and UI are just really familiar to me now and Gmail doesn’t have the same pin, unread, other, .edu email features and integration. Maybe other email apps do, but not Gmail app, which is why I don’t use it. But I do have a Gmail still (since it’s the first I ever got).

My school uses outlook and we are given these school emails however at least in my class most of them don't work anymore wa can't send from them nor recieve anything on them. We contacted the school technician but he either doesn't know what to do or doesn't care enough. So most of us had asked teachers to send files our personal e mails. Fortunatly they still work for accesing stiff like microsoft 365 and so on. At least

Who is ditching gmail exactly? 💀

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

The people in the studies haha

at 0:17 you show the same report as 0:22 edit: I hadn't noticed the cursor, they are in fact different

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha, well you definitely made me check. If you look closer, you’ll see that a different portion of the graph is highlighted using the cursor.

@dkim3788

Жыл бұрын

If you look closely it isn't the same

@lavupcreeper8131

Жыл бұрын

@@LogicallyAnswered ahh you're right. sorry then, i'll edit the message

I use a bulk email service (Spark) that combines all my mail into one box, but also can show me the boxes separate.

My university switched all our school emails from Gmail to Microsoft this year, not sure if it made a dent but thats 60 000 emails it lost. Adding that to all other organisation's that also opted out of Gmail, it makes sense why they're losing market share

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

A few dozen institutions like that switching will make quite a difference haha

@Ben-dy9gh

Жыл бұрын

Mine did this same thing 2 years ago!

@oksowhat

Жыл бұрын

maybe becaue google reduced drive storage space to 5gb?

@Ben-dy9gh

Жыл бұрын

@@oksowhat my school switched cause they already had Gmail for all our emails but were providing all students with sharepoint and all Microsoft office products. Then Google jacked up the GSuite prices so it made sense to go full Microsoft, especially with the better integration with teams and the value that has for online school

@oksowhat

Жыл бұрын

@@Ben-dy9gh they did good, we still dangle between both, gmail is ok but we get only 5gb online storage, cant even store my smallest study material video there😂

The extreme usage of Teams is what kind of pushes me into outlook for the easy synergies.

@v77z

Жыл бұрын

This.

@damnfractal

Жыл бұрын

I wish it would stop, I hate Teams with a burning passion.

@truthteller8336

Жыл бұрын

@@damnfractal The core app is great but it runs like garbage. Hopefully ditching Electron in Teams 2.0 will fix this.

I'm switching to a more privacy focused service, thinking of trying Tutanota, is their service worth it?

Gmail has also become very cluttered. I'm a paying user, and I still get "ads" for Chat, Spaces, and Meet. And there is no way to remove the ads 😭

Gmail has been going downhill in terms of experience and safety recently. A few months ago Google switched the order of the inbox tabs so that 'Promotions' (spam) comes second instead of social. Around the same time I began getting obvious phishing emails in my inbox. It's not a good service.

I actually liked Google+. I used to follow support community for cell phones I bought, for example: "LG L Prime community", and that was pretty much what Reddit is today and the way I use Reddit

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

Ah, glad you liked it!

My school switched from g-suite to Microsoft. I must say office365 is less user friendly than google docs, sheets and slides so I usually revert to gsuite 90%of the time. But Gmail…. They need to work on that - no desktop client, less advanced features, etc…

@organizedchaos4559

Жыл бұрын

You don’t have both? Most schools I know have both

The terminology in this video is mega confusing. Are we now talking email clients or email services? I can use the Outlook Email client to use my Gmail Emails. What is it now? Service or client?

Had been years since I last wrote a personal email in Gmail. Whatsapp and other instant messaging basically killed personal email usage

@Paul_McNulty

Жыл бұрын

Whatsapp is used by me a lot, but not everyone uses it, but everyone has an email account.

I am is so used to Gmail that other clients seem ugly. I have outlook and it is just mess. So I think that Gmail will not lose many users just fraction and lot of them will come back for the simplicity and design

You can't switch your already existing Google account to another mail. So if you want only 1 personal mail you'll have to give up what you've bought with that account.

@respectmathias

Жыл бұрын

The reason I use Gmail is cause I can use it with everything essentially

@rmikel14789

Жыл бұрын

Same, I have lots of bookmarks to movies and other content purchased through the google ecosystem. In order to survive google needs to wake up and create a consistent ecosystem of products that evolve rather than just get canned continually. Google does not need to constantly reinvent products with new branding, no that’s one reason they’re losing market share. Also a major commitment to privacy would help, having policies that balance data collection and monetization with privacy.

I currently still use gmail, since it's so ingrained that it's really difficult to switch from it. That said, I've started using protonmail as well and will likely move some of my accounts over to that email and just do my best to slowly phase out gmail where I can.

In Business, everyone uses Outlook. I have seen a lot of cooperations as consultant, noone uses Gmail and there is next to no alternative to Outlook (and Exchange, most just use Office 365). Private email does not matter I guess as there is little money in it anyways. Gmail is unpopular in Europe due to privacy issues, but I guess still a lot of people use it.

@jjco665

Жыл бұрын

yeah, outlook is just ideal for businesses with the integrations with office365. Although I don´t have privacy issues with google... after all, the worst they can do is target ads at me to help find what I need or know what I do on a daily basis?... that´s boring even for me, but it gets me free software services, take my data lol. Guess everyone just values privacy differently.

@arnoldhau1

Жыл бұрын

@@jjco665 the privacy issues are with cooperations. Microsoft at least offers data centers in Europe and so on. I think Gmail would be not a bad solution for many, but almost no-one uses it. Only private and small businesses.

Honestly I think that Outlook and MS Office products are better for work and study, while gmail is just enough for personal use

@oksowhat

Жыл бұрын

i belive its just a perception, none of them have any advantage over the other, both google and microsoft online office are equally powerful and easy to use, both have nearly same features. just microsoft gives 1tb of storage for work accounts, except that both are same.

@redf7209

4 ай бұрын

I use Outlook for work and its great. Gmail just wouldn't cut it. However for personal use, I use and prefer Gmail. I was using a Gmail account with MS Mail client but not MS are trying to force me to use Outlook and close down mail. Outlook just doesn't seem to work out with Gmail and secondary validation keeps cropping up as an issue.

My favorite email Client is Thunderbird, I use it for Gmail, Outlook, Yahoo and more.

A real email client is Mozilla's Thunderbird, which works with Gmail just fine, but uses a somewhat more traditional interface. And I've considered going to ProtonMail simply to annoy the data gatherers at Google. The Gmail interface is still a bloated mess, and why to this day do I have to move an email to Inbox to save it in another folder (without have two designators of which folder it is in?).

As part of a work change, I had to switch from Microsoft/Outlook products to Google/Gmail and it feels absolutely horrible and I miss my Outlook so much. Gmail is a very simple e-mail program which works fine for personal users (and I am satisfied with it for that purpose) However when you have to just a little bit of formatting or want to use tables or mail merge, Gmail is crap. Google archieving system AODocs is even worse (a lot worse). Microsoft got me hooked with products that just work and I do not want to have to learn to use Google products (for business use). Especially the integration between Microsoft products makes me miss MS.

Google+ was actually okay for it's time but problem is by the time everyone got to use it, People have moved on. Also force adoption of Google+ to other services was probably not the smartest idea.

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think forced adoption gave people a sour taste of it

@wintersprite

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t like the Google + Photos and had preferred Picasa. Picasa allowed me to share albums or single photos on message boards easily.

@philipmurphy2

Жыл бұрын

@@wintersprite Picasa is now long gone, Google Photos is now it's own thing

@truthteller8336

Жыл бұрын

Google making a *social network* invite-only killed it from the start. Shot themselves in both feet.

Thanks. That explains why I keep hearing the world "client", but I naturally confused that with the service. I've never really liked the gmail web client, and I've always used gmail through IMAP on Thunderbird.

You forgot about interface speed. Initially, I was used to fast interfaces like pine in which you were inside the server and the communication speed was almost instantaneous. Later, when web-mails emerged, they were slow. Each time that you did a click, it reloaded the whole page, making you to wait and wait and wait. But GMail was different, it felt like pine. It was almost instantaneous. No waits at all. But... nowadays... most of the custom emails are being banned by more and more email gigants...so they are destroying the competence. No more pine :(

Gmail deletes emails without my permission 😂

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

Really???

@truthteller8336

Жыл бұрын

Very hard to believe.

Protonmail ftw

I use the Evolution email client under Linux. Getting gmail to work is possible but requires a little extra effort that I'm not willing to put into it. Hotmail and my ISP's Pop3 mail server work 'straight-out-of-the-box'. (I use Gmail as a browser-based option anytime I sign a site subscription, to minimize the spam that come with site subscription in my primary email accounts.) I've never used it as my primary email account. G-mail for subscriptions, Hotmail for casual acquaintances, and Pop3 for anything personal.

I’ve had a Gmail account since 2005. If you know how to seamlessly import 17 years of mail into another app I might consider moving.

Gmail is not an e-mail client. It's a service provider. E-mail client is a program to read write and receive e-mails. Gmail has their own web based client- which is the interface for Gmail. You can use any mail client to read Gmail - not necessarily their web page. Please use the right words for the right things, since you are educating people.

@LogicallyAnswered

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the clarification Marko

@marko19914

Жыл бұрын

@@LogicallyAnswered I, for instance, use Thunderbird instead of the browser to read my e-mails.

It's 20 years and Gmail still feels an afterthought. You can't create folders and some filters just don't work esp around dates

I dont mind Gmail but what moved me away was the docs and sheets.. i used it few years ago and got frustrated with the lack of functionality and how it messed up if i want to work my draft in office app. switched to Office365 and i am a happy person, it is the same version everywhere in every device. and naturally i learned how powerful outlook is.

Got a yahoo email account as a teen back in 1999 and will continue to use it till end.