Still remember my first impressions about Jake, when I first time found out about EM: guy and all of his freely available content looked like advertisement of scam: very vague descriptions, intentionally overcomplicated statements, and everything leads to paywall. Only community made, independent content like yours and from other people, convinced me that method is real, and not a scam. So thank you and other members of community for your patience and job, you really make a difference and helping people. Every time when someone asks me why am I using several glasses, I am sending links to your videos and community resources, not to the Jake’s paywalled EM.

@rogerevans8081

Жыл бұрын

Yes, as I've said in the Forum in the past, NottNott's KZread summary introducing ending myopia is the best thing I've seen on the subject.

@danmcclaren5436

Жыл бұрын

yep that was my experience too. I got excited when I ran into Jake's website, but 5 minutes into exploring the website I was convinced it was a scam. But thanks to guys like this and a bit more research online, I realized it might actually work and decided to try it. The reality is that this method is extremely simple and does not require paid mentorship. And Jake knows this but he's trying to milk this "technique" to make as much money as possible.

@miftraxirfan3074

2 ай бұрын

Did this work for y all My age is 16years 7 months male, -0.5D left none right how can I reverse it.

Hi Nott, I enjoy your efforts. Went from 20/50 to 20/20. Keep GOING !

@ca-yb9hc

6 ай бұрын

Hello. I would like to contact you. Do you have a telegram?

@goshdarnit

6 ай бұрын

Wow, so great!

@miftraxirfan3074

7 күн бұрын

@otiebrown9999 your a lie and you know that.

100% agreed on the intro. All of you guys keeping up with Jake's a**holery for such a long time used to make me feel Endmyopia as a cult more than anything else. Thank you for making this video.

bro you are the real deal, I had no idea that Jake had started charging for the Wiki. To be honest I would pay the $40, its not a huge deal, but the fact that so many people in the future will miss out on potentially improving eyesight is very disheartening. Props to you for making a secondary site and feel free to add a "donate" button somewhere in the site since Im sure maintaining that thing will not be fun.

Thank you so much for giving this issue the light of day. As a newcomer, I was becoming a bit suspicious when the wiki disappeared. I'm am grateful that you have brought it back on a different server. Subscribed and big thumbs up!

Love the age of internet when everything hidden becomes so openly visible so fast!

Man this is sad, because splintering of the community is very bad for everyone!

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

Telling truth, is crucial.

Thanks for making all the information regarding the drama - freely - available to everyone. Feels extremely bad that things had to end up this way. The "golden era" seems to be gone for good, newcomers will have a lot more complications to learn from now on. Jake will put all his heart and soul into hiding Based Vision and others. No more sharing EM with friends from my part I guess. Jake is shooting himself in the foot. Thanks for caring so much for the community, you're the real hero here! Edit: I found extremely disgusting from Jake to start saying that hadn't it been from him and you'd have over 5 diopters. Does that make you his dog or how does that go?

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

Bark bark

@rogerevans8081

Жыл бұрын

I agree. That -5 diopters crack really did it for me. I'm deleting my videos suggesting Jakie's free eye-salvation.

Wow I admire your courage! Thanks for sharing your hardships and the truth for the public. Sounds like you became a victim of narcissistic behaviour. I pray for your healing and recovery mentally.

Hi Nott, You have good ideas and ideals. You need to continue. I have my relatives always passing their required checks at home. They take prevention seriously.

Thanks for keeping the legitimate community information available and get a new forum going.

Hi Nott You have proved your great persistence. It is the same curiously and "question asking", attitude I had many years ago. Keep working on the problem, your way, and you will gain great wisdom. I appreciate the fact that you allow me to post here. Jake shadow banned me, because he did not like the questions I was asking.

I didn't know there was EndMyopia drama like this.

I am glad that you are reading everything without glasses and for your improvement. But I am bad about this situation. Many articles I've read on wiki, funny and with lots of memes, I know you are an amazing guy. People loves you because you are just yourself. I hope you get better and keep helping people improving their eyesight and improving further your own eyesight and over all health. 👍🏻

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

Hi , That is what solve problems. Doing the impossible, when everyone tells you it is impossible. That is how I do it.

Mmm... I'm sorry to hear about this mess and the problems that you are facing. It's a while that I'm not active anymore in the forum or in any EM chat or group and listening to your message it's a pity, for you and all the people trying to "help" others reversing myopia. I hope this mess will end soon in a positive way. Ciao. Michele.

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

Michelle, I hope so.

Man, I barely ever check the forum but I did read the wiki quite a bit a while back; didn't know about any of this. Joining the discord...

Thank you for the wiki bro!

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

Freedom, open debate, is the heart of science.

Knott, My Opinion: Jake's Greed, is thr same as OD Greed! But with respect. Optometrists, control "the Narrative". That is my major objection, to Optometry - to protect their business, and income. Now Jake, by closing down Wikki, is doing exactly the same thing, for exactly the same reason. I fight for technical honesty. That is no longer Optometry or Jake.

Jake was and still is a gluttonous guy, always trying to hide the connecting dots, when I started 3 years ago , I had to do a hell lot of research to connect the missing links and integrate the whole concept, this was before there was any wiki , same thing happened with the guy who wrote the The No Bulls#*t Guide to Vision Improvement , C. G. Hayes he formed his own international license for the book for better propagation of the concept for the collective good. Anyways, do not lose hope we are there to support you always. Jake will suffer in the end when people will find out who the actual Quisling is

So sorry you are dealing with all that drama. I remember when he banned me for asking a question and you went to bat for me because he totally accused me of something I didn’t even do? I haven’t logged on for quite a bit. He has a lot of great people adding content.

Fwiw, I only listened to a few of Jake's videos before I moved on. I found them too pedantic for my tastes. I just recently found your channel. Nathan Oxenfeld and Mark Warren are two others I follow. Also they have great advice. Sorry you had to deal withall that drama!

Jake could've taken a number of different options with monetization. Instead of monetizing content, he could've written a book, created merch, sold the things that would help you on your journey using Endmyopia as the lead funnel. Shame, but I did see it in him. I've grown up with a lot of personalities around me so I read people very well.

@raraavis7782

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. There are endless ways to make money (and quite a bit of it), if you're a popular 'influencer'. He choose the worst and most destructive kind.

@Retrosenescent

Жыл бұрын

I agree, Jake has always been an obviously shady character

@matthewwilliams3827

Жыл бұрын

That jake Steiner reminded me of some insufferable kid on my street as a kid that I despised. He’s a time waster too.

@Ivan_KV

Жыл бұрын

Even when I started watching his videos I felt something was of with him. His ego and messiah complex I think

@callapalm4198

Жыл бұрын

Trying to understand the monetization issue. How much does it cost to create and maintain a community forum platform? Been in Le Meow since 2018. I imagine there is a cost but have never been asked to pay anything to subsidize. Maybe Jake is now trying to recoup some of his costs for the past 6 years. I still appreciate his efforts for providing a platform for myopics. I have to agree with another comment that if the issue was brought to the open form for all members to discuss instead of this one-on-one texting battle, maybe another resolution could have been voted on by the community. Something reached his boiling point but maybe in a community thread it would have been a different outcome

When’s the Based Vision podcast coming? Would love to be on it someday!!!

Hi Nott, I think you will succeed. Just avoiding the minus, most of the time - is success!!

@crippled82

Жыл бұрын

plus screws up vision, minus and working within the focal range releases the focal tension.

Thank you

imagine the first guy that discovered how to improve vision watching all this drama unfold while eating popcorn

Thank u for your integrity mr nott

@otiebrown9999

Ай бұрын

THAT is NOTT.

Nott, I always enjoy your commentary. Thank you!

Hi Nott, It is Now up to your courage. Put up a Snellen : Check for close to 20/60 . DO IT !!

Hahaha Based Vision! I love it! 😂

A sad sociopath with no empathy and simply driven by greed and toxic personal ego.

Hi Nott, Look for a person, PURE AS THE FALLING SNOW. Yes, I will pay him. But I want a continued dialog. Now Jake has CUT THAT OFF. Shame on Jake! I will continue, alone. I hope you will, also!

i find i'm squinting to read, sort of blurry all the time, any advice?

I'm sorry that you had to undergo unnecessary stress due to human ego and greed. Anyway, when somebody can be so egoistic and disrespectful to dr. Bates, no wonder the same person is disrespectful to you and other community members who have contributed to the content. Thank you for your integrity, honesty and hardwork . Thank you for hosting the wiki. I hope other nice guys on the forum who actually contributed see the reality as is and join this wiki. Take care.

does the guide now cost 39$ in total or 39$ a month? for how many months?

Since many visual problems come with body posture issues, you and all myopes should check for high acidity, blood, stomach and lungs. Generally lemon with warm water helps also bicabornate should helps. Many myopes grow up with a smoker parent (not necessarily your case), they used to hold their breathing and It shifts the acidity chemistry. Anxiety caused by some trauma event, school, bad parenting, siblings, and so on. It also alter acidity chemsitry in the body. And it gets chronic. I remember a guy on college who worn glasses and always compliained about gastritis. You see, when our body is feeling tired, lack of energy, or even in slightly pain, we always feel even if we think we are not noticing the pain.

@grasshopperking7499

5 ай бұрын

"Since many visual problems come with body posture issues" 😂😂😂😂

@slavic_commonwealth

3 ай бұрын

Damn, that's literally me. Can you tell me more about relation of myopia and stuff that you mentioned? And what should I do? Just drinking warm lemon water?

@lashes2884

Ай бұрын

Source?

Hoping Mr. Nott is alright and safe, noticed there hasn't been an update here in 7/8 months. We sorely need more high integrity individuals out there.

@NottNott

5 ай бұрын

I'm alright! Just not motivated to make more vids for a bit. Thanks for checking in ♥️

@otiebrown9999

Ай бұрын

We all like Nott's efforts. Provoking good conversations.

Hi Nott, Pleased you are still working on myopia prevention!

I recently stumbled upon Jake's video. I only watched 2 videos and I already got vad vibes from some of the statements from him. I don't remember all of it but this one thing he said really bothered me for some reason about meditation is a 'hippy' thing and overall how it's useless and insignificant. Also the way he sh*ts on bates method. Plus the way he describes the methods it felt like he wasn't giving all information. His followers also felt very cult-ish. Idk how to explain. So I stopped and lo and behold 1 week later this video gets recommend to me.😂😂

Bro so what to do for mayopia reverse please suggest me

Nott, We should make a major effort to get ODs to help us with Endmyopia.

Bro you put videos We are here to support you ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

Me Also. The problem will only be solved by the great persistence that Nott is demonstrating. I hope he sets a goal that is reasonable!

You‘ll be blessed for your kindness.

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

Just for making the efforts - win or lose. I hope - win!

I follow Mark warren, and his techniques- they definitely work, I’ve been on his journey for over a year. I’ve made huge improvements with my vision, I rarely wear glasses now- imo endmyopia is just too confusing and slow progress by reducing prescription glasses/contact lenses.

@hannanatalisa3282

Жыл бұрын

Do you have a video link where I can start?

@abz3647

Жыл бұрын

@@hannanatalisa3282Mark Warrens website is Myopia is Mental

@mikelin6381

Жыл бұрын

Emm, I think the EM is more system, you know, they tell you what is cause myopia and how to measure it, what you should do in close up, how to use distance vision to stimulate you eyes etc... And Mark method only mentioned about AF part(in my opinion), he help me a lot with AF, My AF get more poweful and relaxing. But if you learn more deep in EM forum, they end up the same way, Relax your eyes to clear things up and get stimulate from that.

@abz3647

Жыл бұрын

@@mikelin6381 yeah people are different, marks method is about peripheral awareness, and many more. Saying that like I say I rarely wear glasses now, my eyesight is clear most of the time, but different techniques work for different people I guess👍🏽

@brianwhiteh9529

Жыл бұрын

@@hannanatalisa3282 kzread.info/dash/bejne/h6yLla2feJvSnMo.html&ab_channel=LearningwithMarkWarren

sadly i agree with you, jake seems nowaday more money oriented. the 1st paid membership was in his word "help the community grow, and he didnt really care about the money hence the price was not high". But not anymore. is jake became greedy? so now Endmyopia is a business not about actually helping people. what make it diffrent with those billion dollar industry that jake said he hated it. the wiki was really helpful, and its sad to see now only paid member can access it.

My first instinct after watching this video was to think that I should unsubscribe from everything linked to EM. However, after carefully reading the screenshots of the posts, I completely agree with Varakari. From where I'm standing, this all seems like a good example of how the flaws/disadvantages of written communication (instead of face-to-face) can lead to misunderstandings that have snowballed into where we are now 😢.

Hmm...interesting. I have just listened to his intro video (never heard of him before) and he did strike me as an arrogant guy with a big ego. Then I saw your video and clicked on it. Oh well, sorry about all your troubles. Any recommendations for people with presbyopia? My arms do not seem to be long enough to read LOL. I cannot read the small print anymore either. Thank you!

Hey nott, started watching you way back in the day when you had glasses but cant stop to ask is ur axial length normal to wear you can see 20/20 or you can see 20/20 but still have the myopic eyeball

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

Idk anything about my axial length as I haven't measured it

@madozbeez7975

Жыл бұрын

@@NottNott get it checked as soon as you can :). If you're axial length has reduced to normal then you're living evidence myopia can be reversed. Take care nott!

@otiebrown9999

10 ай бұрын

@@NottNott no one can.. It is a myth.

@zzc8505

10 ай бұрын

@@otiebrown9999 what's a myth? Measuring axial length?

My Right Eye Is -5 & Left Eye Is -1.25. Is It Easy To Find Active Focus With That Huge Difference? How To Equalize The Difference?

@Bernardo-mt8ho

Жыл бұрын

Hey bro, check for muscle inbalances in your body. Your bite also counts. But for most people problem, the pelvis has a HUGE connection to your head and eyes. Maybe you had a trauma on foot/knee/pelvis/lung/wisdom tooth that presents you to fully relax that side of your body. For this time, remove your glasses and lying down on the floor, belly up, just relax on the floor. It will remove tension from muscles, cause when you get to the floor your bones/skeleton supports your weight. Do this one time per day. I hope you will progress faster. You deserve the best!

@Bernardo-mt8ho

Жыл бұрын

There is a simple exercise, no, it wont fix everything instantly, but it could help a little bit. Take your phone and open the camera app. Now try to correct your posture, in another words move your belly button more forward, this will stretch a little bit your legs. Feel your pelvis engaging, as your counscious goes to that region. Now bring the phone close your face. Give a Max zoom in (4x, 8x, 12x whatever) and now walk slowly and keep the image stable the more your can. You can close one eye and try to stabilize that part of the body, do this for each eye. After this simple exercise, you can feel some difference in your proprioception (body perception). Sometimes the right foot is super ahead of the whole body, sometimes your right arm is tensioned, sometimes your shoulder, you know, eyes and body react to how we make our image of ourselves. We use undercorrection as a guide to know how to keep the body in a good form to notice more than a single point.

Thank you for helping people ❤

I support all those who OBJECT to that first minus lens. I support people who will be aggressive in objective science, and will start their own prevention, before they go below 20/50 on their home Snellen.

@rogerevans8081

Жыл бұрын

Could you elaborate? I have no idea what those sentence mean.

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

​@@rogerevans8081 Roger, Sure. I GOT OUT OF 20/60 OF MYOPIA.

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

​@@rogerevans8081 a minus lens causes myopia. Causes it to get worse.

Walkig backward helps to see everything, you can practice this. The main key of this stuff is: notice the whole picture. The more you train, the more you get better. People do not tell us why to do things and what to notice. I knew this practice in Meir Schneider video. But he did not explained what we needed to notice andnwhy to do this.

So he doesn’t like free content, but he loves exploiting people for their free labor 🤔 yep sounds like a horrible dishonest person

@AreyHawUstad

Жыл бұрын

He was a banker apparently before, so I'm not surprised at all

@callapalm4198

Жыл бұрын

As an entrepreneur myself, I can understand creating a system with unique terminology and a recommended step by step process to train others to implement to naturally improve eyesight. Looking at the newbie questions, it's not easy. Jake decides to punch out free videos, share on Facebook, create a community platform and welcomed myopics to share information, and finally gives approval to share on Wiki. For an entrepreneur who charges a fee for this system with one on one instruction, and sees the entire system now available on Wiki for free, anyone might consider this proprietary information. Contributions contributed voluntarily with Jake's approval. Definitely can see both sides. Jake's quirkiness and sensitive nature may rub people the wrong way. The meltdown and this video are unfortunate. Seems his biggest error is he over-shared but wouldn't exactly say that he's dishonest.

@Retrosenescent

Жыл бұрын

@@callapalm4198 You seem like a very gullible person who is terrible at judging character

@callapalm4198

Жыл бұрын

Wesley..... Jake is a popular influencer. Every contributor contributed for the betterment of the community of myopics and EM objective, so to your point, looks like we're all gullible and have poor judge of character 😁

0:39 rip

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

Hi AZN. YOU DID A GREAT JOB FOR JAKE. NOW I AM BANNED. Rip!

Excellent detailed video, Jake's gonna get jealous of the quality lol. Thanks Andrew !

MEMBERS - FRIENDS: Who gave up on Jake. We must rely on Nott, since his help is free to all of us. Personally, I trust Knott for exactly that reason. Do you agree?

Hi Nott, It looks like Jake has posted remarks about his legal threats, and Wiki. It is tragic this type of legal combat has developed. We are here to prevent and recovery from myopia - not to get into legal expensive arguments, that do not help me. You now have the only FREE SITE!

Lmao Jake appears to be an awkward guy on his videos, but is a full blown keyboard warrior on those edgy posts and replies that he makes. Pretty typical for guys of his nature 🤣

what about 4 years old child was told that he has high astigmatism? does he need to start wear glasses? or is there a way to avoid wearing glasses?

@otiebrown9999

Ай бұрын

Excellent question.

Hi Nott, Subject: What are your plans now? I can no longer trust Jake for a fair impartial discussion - which is the essence of scientific truth. Will you take on that leadership responsibility? I can trust you!

I used to listen to Endmyopia Podcast on google podcasts. But Suddenly it got removed. Now I know why 🙂I support You NottNott For making Free stuff and continuing the Journey. By the way the only reason why I choose Endmyopia is because it was free and accessible. Unlike many others.

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

I agree!

Right eye -6 with -.75 astigmatism Left eye -4 with -1.5 astigmatism I know I saw it somewhere on how to calculate for differentials with eyes being different prescriptions Can anyone help with a helpful link?

@gaynzz6841

4 ай бұрын

Just add +1.50 each side (mind the sign)

Thanks for this insight. I started 7 years ago with endmyopia. Because I was so excited about my improvement I offered Jake to translate the free E-Mail course to German. Good luck that I never finished it. Meanwhile I became a natural vision teacher by myself. Of course I have to make a living out of it, but I also give a lot of free content and teach people also for free. Since 2019 at the international conference of natural eyesight we build a vibrant community of visionteachers around the world. I invited Jake but he refused to join. 🤷 The reason was I wanted to give something back to him. Thanks to your Video I now understand why he refuses.

@NottNott

5 ай бұрын

That'll be because Jake speaks German so I suppose he would have translated it already :)

@Sehadler

5 ай бұрын

@@NottNottThere was another story behind, which I can tell you in PN.

@Sehadler

5 ай бұрын

@@NottNottseamed he wanted someone else to do the work ;-)

Where is a good place to buy normalized lenses and contact lenses online?

@mikhaillionel6352

2 ай бұрын

Zenni Optical

Prevention, recovery from 20/50 is possible. But no one likes the concept. So I gave up.

I don’t consider many to be sociopaths, but wow. Whether or not you believe in karma, this will definitely be coming back around. Thank you for your contributions & integrity ❤

Never liked Jake much ever since joining in 2019 when the forums were Le Meow, although I mostly lurked there so I never dealt with him too much and instead just went my own way with the resources, but this explains a lot and confirms my suspicions about him. You are amazing for suggesting that license in the event that something like this would happen, which it did. Although I worry he might come for you and try to take the wiki down, which shouldn't happen with that license but you never know with the legal system... Would it not be a good idea to have that wiki copied across multiple other domains in that case? Cheers

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

The idea is to have the database dumped so people are free to host their own copies too. I'm working on that functionality.

@Nunoflashy

Жыл бұрын

@@NottNott I see, wouldn't it be as simple as serving a link to the .sql script of the entire db though? (assuming it's a relational database), although you would have to make the HTML files public too I'd imagine, so maybe a link to both through a GET request or something?

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

@@Nunoflashy DB and the file system of the wiki. I need to remove all emails from the wiki to make it freely shareable, otherwise I'm exposing everyone's email addresses.

@Nunoflashy

Жыл бұрын

@@NottNott Makes sense yeah, no idea how it's structured obviously, but couldn't you mass assign all emails to null in the db? I'm quite interested in self-hosting it privately for myself, and if for some reason something happens, make it public later on, but hopefully it doesn't come to that. If you need any help with it, tell me in case it speeds up the process and such, cheers!

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

@@Nunoflashy Hey, it's great you wanna host the wiki. I know where to start with the email thing, just haven't got around to it due to my job. If you join the discord hopefully I'll have it done by this weekend :)

All the claims about legal problems are very unbelievable and uncredible. He seems to be using it as a catch-all excuse for his bad actions

"my work my work my work - jake" Who is Todd Becker and Bates ? Building on something is different from completely creating something new pretty much out of scratch.

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

Todd got out of about 20/60 of myopia, with a plus lens for all close work.

How many hours of outside long-distance vision with AF should we get before we begin getting diminishing returns? Also, Do we need to take 20-second breaks every 20 minutes from using our computer?

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

I take long breaks, after doing close work. Like , play tennis.

@jsoteldo8881

Жыл бұрын

@@otiebrown9999 But how long and frequent are your breaks when you're using your computer?

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

​@@jsoteldo8881 I do it differently. It had been proven that a plus lens, has a relaxing effect. So I wear it for close work, and confirm getting out of myopia.

@jsoteldo8881

Жыл бұрын

@@otiebrown9999 How long after I can see 20/20 on the chart for me to lower the correction? 1 week after being able to see 20/20 vision ON THE BOARD?

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

​​@@jsoteldo8881 hi J, Start this way. Can you read 20/60, in excellent light. That is 1 inch letters at 20 feet. Do not be shy. I improved my vision, but I refuse to look at a Snellen. Some how I will know I improved.

soo... Reduced Lens wiki is blocked again? the new wiki link isnt working.

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

It's fixed now, was changing some settings

What do you support now?

Dude is clearly unhinged, or on something, or needing a friend or counseling. Counseling. The U.S. is ALL about money, so I am not surprised. He seemed like a narcissist to me - or maybe he really began to believe in his celebrity... I appreciate all that you did, including this video. I will make certain I no longer support them either - this just exemplifies what happens in the U.S. with healthcare. Somebody is going to make money from it, which means making it less accessible (people pay thousands for prescriptions here that are free elsewhere-it's insane). He freaked out on you to the point of counseling though - that's scary. The information is SCIENCE - and science should be free and accessible to all. Same with healthcare (my opinion) but apparently other Americans want guns more than actual good healthcare. Insanity. Keep up the great work, you are appreciated. I'm so sorry you have this stress, it's clearly unfair. If he goes too far get a lawyer and go after damages for the stress and loss of work. He obviously cares about money more than anything else.

@DeniseSkidmore

Жыл бұрын

Jake doesn't live in the US, never visits, is he even from the US?

@rogerevans8081

Жыл бұрын

@@DeniseSkidmore Right. Jake says he's from Germany and Hungary and is on a jag about how all Western stuff is bad. He has been in Asia for a long time. His American-sounding English is awfully fluent for someone who says that it's not his native language.

@bigboss9817

Жыл бұрын

@@rogerevans8081 Not to mention he has no German or European accent whatsoever. And he claims he grew up in Germany. Kinda hard to believe.

@regishaiba

Жыл бұрын

Maybe his name isnt Jake, neither Steiner as well. If a billionaire industry wants find someone, they easily can. You see, on Bates people side there are events where they got their computer hacked and their website. So, I think is not a good thing to talk bad thing about giant schemes on the internet.

@zzc8505

10 ай бұрын

@@bigboss9817 he does have a slight German accent somewhere in there: some of his sounds and intonation do sound German. He sounds like someone who lived long enough in the North American English environment

Short version: Jake mad copytroll. Yeah, there is a lot of those kinds of people who think they can just patent and copyright anything. We shouldnt be afraid of telling kids to go outside. If they wanna do some youtube challenge that isnt drinking tide pods or whatever other nonsense and is something like this endmyopia meme instead I would be so happy for people

When I saw the title of this video, I thought it was some kind of spoof thing, like an April Fools joke (obviously not, but anyway). It's weird because I think we all owe Jake a debt of gratitude. I mean, you've improved your eyesight massively without having to pay for laser surgery or anything. But on the other hand, it seems like he has issues of some kind. Maybe he needs the money.

@callapalm4198

Жыл бұрын

Gratitude for sure because I benefited greatly from the EM method. Don't know what the issues are but the community forum shows Jake's posts are most liked by NottNott and NottNott's are most liked by Jake.... dang, where's the love? All I know is I'm 100% against slander 100% against plagiarism and 100% against demonizing of some random guy on the internet who helped us all see better naturally. I'm done... this exposé is rather juvenile and no longer need to address. If you don't like a community, just leave and leave everyone else alone.

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

I didn't say anything untrue in this video, so it isn't slander. I didn't plagiarise anything, because Jake licensed the content to let people share the content. People don't want to contribute if someone is going to censor them every five minutes over some nonsense

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

What edits are you talking about, like the rebranding of the wiki? We can't infringe Jake's trademark

@PiraticalMaid-of-All-Work

Жыл бұрын

@@callapalm4198 actually it wasn’t much of a rant since he didn’t even raise his voice, give attitude, or say cynical remarks like Jake does. For Jake, I thought his past rants were for the humor of it, mostly. In this case NottNott laid out his viewpoints with facts and evidence, while Jake sat there and at NottNott’s expense speculated about issues he might have. This is not a good example of leadership skill, to subtly snipe at even those who counter your viewpoints.

@callapalm4198

Жыл бұрын

@@PiraticalMaid-of-All-Work points taken. Comment about the rant has been deleted..just a knee-jerk reaction. Both Jake and Nott emailed so was trying to understand both sides.

Jake has a classic toxic personality from whatever u've described of him.

Dear Nottnott, I didn't like Jake's way of communicating from the beginning on. But I have a completely unrelated question regarding equalizing. I have a 0.5dpt difference between left and right eye and I vaguely remember reading that this is not an issue and you don't need to equalize such a little difference. But I can't find the article anymore and now I am unsure if this is right or if I remember that completely wrong. Can you help me? Current stats are L: -2 and R: -2.5 no cylinder Thank you so much for your work and dedication!

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

It should be fine with a 0.50 difference, equalise later if you still don't like it

@user-pv1xy8sw8u

Жыл бұрын

@@NottNott thanks. That's the answer I was hoping for =) Have a beautiful day!

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

Hi Annie, Legal standards. DMV allows a difference of 0.5 Diopters. 20/60, and 20/40. As you improve, the difference becomes less. I am now at 20/25.

@user-pv1xy8sw8u

Жыл бұрын

@Otie Brown That's great. I'm from Germany and curious if these guidelines apply here equally. I need to find out. At the moment, I find my weaker eye is also a "lazy" eye. It always takes longer to improve. But maybe if I am down to 0 dpt in one eye, the other will catch up 🤷‍♀️

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-pv1xy8sw8u HI Annie, I also had "wondering eye". I apply a lot of discipline on myself. I am working myself out of 20/60 vision, about -1.25 D.

jakes last name tells you everything you need to know about his behaviour

It is hard to make a great effort, after it is too late for you!

The wiki link is broken. Did u put it down?

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

Hi, I'm gonna look into it ASAP

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

Fixed it in theory, hopefully doesn't go down again.

how many diopters do you have nowadays?

Hey, thats pretty good

Crazy

The SPLIT Steiner. I have no objection. He makes excessive claims, yet some are partial successful. Matt Ely, for one. Jake can be the PREVENTION second opinion. I made it from 20/60 to 20/20, so succese is possible. I hope NOTTNOTT will learn to help his kids with prevention. That is up to him!

Dayem frfrfr I remember some of this going down in the discord. I “watched” the video with my phone in my pocket the whole tune and just listened to the audio with my headphones when biking around the beach and eating ice cream with my free hand & Ig maybe I was doing active focusing in my plano sports goggles at like -0.5 or whatever (I got -0.4 in full sun earlier when print pushing measurements on the boardwalk ☠️☠️💀💀) Idk. It was like an hour ago when it was still kind of sunny and now it’s mid civil twilight at 21:26 late May is epic Sun/21/05/2023 at 21:27 EDT2

Sorry to hear it ended up this way

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

Hi Matt, hope you're well!

@mattely6774

Жыл бұрын

@@NottNott yeah, doing fine. Someday I'll post an update video on my eyssight. Long plateau, but I think I've got it worked out

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

@@mattely6774 Where are you at right now?

@mattely6774

Жыл бұрын

@@NottNott little long to reply on a youtube comment. What's the best place to PM you? Discord?

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

@@mattely6774 NottNott#3473 on Discord. I'm also in Discord server I've linked in the description

you are without glasses....great

@otiebrown9999

10 ай бұрын

A success!

Thank you I -3.50 C: -1(right) - 3.50 C: - 1(left)

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

Go to a -2 5 d

The only way to settle this is inside the confines of a professional wrestling ring. NotNott Versus Jake Steiner inside the confines of a 20 foot high steele cage. No Ref... No Rules. The first man to climb out of the cage wins!

@otiebrown9999

9 ай бұрын

Love it!

As an entrepreneur myself, I can understand creating a system with unique terminology and a recommended step by step process to train others to implement to naturally improve eyesight. Looking at the newbie questions, it's not easy. Jake decides to punch out free videos, share on Facebook, create a community platform and welcomed myopics to share information, and finally gives approval to share on Wiki. For an entrepreneur who charges a fee for this system with one on one instruction, and sees the entire system now available on Wiki for free, anyone might consider this proprietary information. Contributions contributed voluntarily with Jake's approval. Definitely can see both sides. Jake's quirkiness and sensitive nature may rub people the wrong way. The meltdown and this video are unfortunate. Seems his biggest error is he over-shared.

@DeniseSkidmore

Жыл бұрын

Most of the work I contributed to the wiki referenced sources outside endmyopia and used industry standard terms. Jake can't own those concepts. Even on Getting started page, others like "differentials" just a few word changes can replace "differentials" with "reading glasses" and suddenly its obviously preexisting industry (although controversial) concepts.

@regishaiba

Жыл бұрын

There is a book about this "Improve Your Vision Without Glasses or Contact Lenses" (November 1996) Several optometrists and ophthalmologists have written this book, including the renowned Francis Allan Young (FA Young on Google Scholar articles) who has conducted numerous tests on vision in 70's decade. In this book, doctors already recommended visual hygiene, using undercorrected glasses, proper lighting, sleep care, and some types of exercises. It is not something new, nor is it original. Even Bates' Method teachers recommend training glasses (undercorrected/differentials).

@otiebrown9999

Жыл бұрын

@@regishaiba Hi Regis, I wrote some papers with Francis Young. Is study showed you could recover from 20/50, by wearing a plus for near. I now confirm 20/20. Are you doing this?

I've always said Jake is an acquired taste however I have deeply appreciated his efforts to provide a free platform for fellow myopics to talk myopia and a whole lot of other life's stuff. The community forum is not an easy endeavor nor cheap for one person and the community members have made it thrive free of charge. Perhaps if he's made a poor decision, the community can agree he made a poor decision and give him time and space to fix it. Jake is always asking for feedback. His constant self-deprecating comments seem to indicate he's aware he's not perfect and will make poor decisions. Hopefully the community can forgive, repair, and move forward. This may not be the best approach.

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

Gonna be tricky to do when he's threatened to nuke me

@bigboss9817

Жыл бұрын

@@NottNott Callapal = one of Jake's accounts

@thecrackstreetboys4012

Жыл бұрын

@@bigboss9817 As one of the silent majority who's lurked a thing or two from EM but never gone in because of the would-be cult leader vibes he gives off from the outset, I don't think he realizes how obvious it is. "Jake's quirkiness and sensitive nature" -- like I really believe some dude is out here describing him like their manic pixie girlfriend lmao

@bigboss9817

Жыл бұрын

@@thecrackstreetboys4012 LOL!

I found active focus thing by myself. I thought I've discovered something new and I will be the first one XD then I found Jake

@Sasha8pancakes

10 ай бұрын

@hardstyle905 I mean, using your face muscles until something that's blurry becomes a bit sharper is kinda instinctual. I have found a way to improve my vision and it's pretty much as described, use those face muscles, all of em around and in your eyes, I see improvement in my vision constantly

@otiebrown9999

10 ай бұрын

@hardstyle905 Hi Get, Still working on it

new wiki is not working for me

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

It just crashed, will be back in a bit. Gotta fix it

@Shrie

Жыл бұрын

@@NottNott Thanx for reply

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

Yes that's a temporary problem I am going to be looking into this evening. Not first time it's happened. Wiki is back for now

Wow, man, this situation is not ideal, really. BTW, I get this message when I try to open the new wiki: "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloading. (Cannot access the database)"

@NottNott

Жыл бұрын

Yes that's a temporary problem I am going to be looking into this evening. Not first time it's happened. Wiki is back for now

@sofygastudios4834

Жыл бұрын

@@NottNott thanks for your reply, and thank you for fighting to keep public that important piece of knowledge. It is so much a public health crucial interest that at least the basics must stay accessible to anyone!

Im late here but come on, stop the bashing on both sides. Ok maybe Jake should have made it more clearly that everything whats connected to the name Endmyopia belongs to him and he can do with it anything he wants. So there is not much space for free content to contribute. Jake has his own character like we all have and he is the type of rebel, who does what he wants with his business. Sorry that the wiki became the warplace about free or not. I just hope you all cool down and keep the knowledge spreading. Btw there is also an "unrestricted endmyopia facebook group" or something on facebook. Alternatives are probably also not bad. Anyway I understand that Endmyopia is the work of Jake and he put in a lot of time there and of course with all the work comes TRUST IN HIM. since vision improving is difficult you must have trust in somebody to believe it and try it until it works. So Jake did a great job and a lot effort for that. Better than anybody else. So dont be mad, if he tries to optimize his income. If you want to help people for free, you can try, but it is not easy even to get the trust. So I guess it is very hard to get attention for free stuff without doing much work for the trust. And doing much work makes you not want to make it free. Anyway dont get separated. We all found each other because of Endmyopia and let the business world go its own ways.

@otiebrown9999

10 ай бұрын

NOTT, is making a great effort!

@otiebrown9999

10 ай бұрын

I was lucky and discovered a wise OD who helped his kids own go from 20/60, to 20/20. From -1 D to +0.5 D. That is rare. But that is what I am doing right now. I do not need all these "fights" that people get into.

Mayopia is mental channel will show that's the natural way. Better than end mayopia bulshit,i was doing these end mayopia but marks vedio make big difference in vision improvement,clear flash need lot of practice once you learn it will be easy, clear flash or active focus !

If the reason really only did come down to legal trouble he would have negotiated with you to take down your newly copied wiki, since that would have the same type of liability as the original wiki. But he didn’t, instead he just threatened you with legal action. That’s how you know that when it comes down to it a lot of it has to do with Jake just wanting to monetize the wiki. I do, however, think you jumped the gun a bit, 3 days is a little quick to put a resource online that Jake distinctly said was a legal liability for him. I know you didn’t have trust in him but at least a week or two wouldve been more ample time to scope the situation out. And since you have that license you can technically copy the wiki whenever you want, right? Also Jake really needs to understand there’s better ways to make money than a wiki that gives just the outline of Endmyopia, and actually having just one or two free resources like jakes blog and a basic wiki will actually help advertise Endmyopia and funnel newcomers over to the paid content. I would have never signed up for anything if it wasn’t for all the free content.

@DeniseSkidmore

Жыл бұрын

Entirely possible his legal trouble is the prior agreement to the creative commons license. He may have trouble disentangling from that given the creative commons license makes it very hard to legally claim ownership and stop sharing.

Thanks for saying true, I know all the point ☺️

Jake the Snake 🐍

Yes that guy looks like he is a very aggressive man.