This video is directionally right, though I think some extra nuance is needed. I'm an evangelical who married a woman who grew up Quaker. We live in Newberg, Oregon, where George Fox University is. It is not a big town, but typically it has had at least 3 different Quaker churches (and I think it has 4 now), and so the Quaker movement has had a significant impact on the town historically. I have attended a number of services at the Quaker church my wife grew up in. They do preach a sermon and the skeleton/framework of the sermon is built around a text from Scripture. They have segments of the meeting that are set aside for quiet/listening, like what Daryl described in his video. But much of the main Sunday service looks fairly similar to what you'd see in most evangelical churches. When I first started dating my wife, her mother mentioned that "east coast Quakers" (east coast USA) tended to be more mystical, and western Quakers tended to be more similar to evangelicals. I think I've even heard some Quakers describe themselves as evangelical. So Daryl's characterization of Sunday services not being based on the Bible probably fits certain areas of the country better than others. Even among Quakers who spend more time in the Scriptures, I've observed a struggle between the traditions of the Quaker church and Scriptural teaching on things like the sacraments. It can be an adjustment for a Quaker attending an evangelical church to get used to taking communion regularly, or to consider being baptized. In our town, there was a painful and divisive church split in the biggest Quaker church in town over the LGBTQ issue. A number of Quakers (more the older crowd), wanted to stay conservative on the issue and typically based their arguments on Scripture. A number of other Quakers (mostly younger, including the lead pastor of the church), took the liberal side of the issue. Out of the 4 churches in town that I'm aware of, I believe that 2 are conservative on the issue, and 2 are liberal. It is my impression that the 2 that uphold the traditional view of marriage would articulate a higher view of Scripture than the 2 that do not. However, I have attended one of the 2 liberal churches on the issue, probably half a dozen times, and to my surprise they actually do tend to preach out of a passage of Scripture (at least when I've been there) as the basis for their sermon. So even the liberal side here in town is different than what I understand "east coast Quaker" to be. I can echo what Daryl said about compassion. Most Quakers in town lead their approach to societal and political issues with a compassionate heart, and I've seen this play out over and over again in the past decade. I share Daryl's concern about the Quaker church's attitude towards Scriptural authority. I have seen over the years how Scripture does or doesn't factor in to the way the ones around me have processed the pressing issues of the day. I think this is a really serious error that will have repercussions both in this life and in the life to come. But I would also plead for nuance in the evangelical's approach to his Quaker acquaintances. Even though my relatives/acquaintances know that I do not share their beliefs, and that we disagree strongly about some issues, their kind-hearted approach to life and to people has made them less susceptible to some of the militaristic attitudes that many of the more advocacy-focused people on the political left have embraced. They have been willing to listen to me when I do express concerns and explain my position, and to respond with honor.

@artc.7538

Ай бұрын

I too replied to Daryl's posting. I wonder what circumstances led to choosing this topic! What a wonderful and well balanced reply you posted. I graduated from GFU a long time ago and attended both NFC and NVFC. Richard Foster was on staff at NFC and taught a class on Acts at GFU. Loved my time there! Thank you so much for your insightful response.

@AaronM-to2xw

Ай бұрын

@@artc.7538 I'm guessing you know my wife's parents then! :-) (Won't share the name on the internet). I believe Richard Foster conducted their wedding ceremony, though I'd need to double-check that. Might have been Dick Sartwell. Blessings!

@bma

Ай бұрын

Thanks so much for your helpful comment. I had no doubt that there will be variations among Quakers so this isn’t a sleight against them as such, more a warning about the abandonment of the authority of scripture. Thanks again for commenting!

Thank you for sharing your insights into the Quakers. I can only hope and pray that Quakers will understand the importance of the Scriptures and return to them for guidance in their daily lives and worship.

@DelaneyAugustineWalk

6 күн бұрын

no need to hope. many of us read the bible daily and pray much more than that

@Me2Lancer

5 күн бұрын

@@DelaneyAugustineWalk That's great to know. I read and study the bible daily as well.

You might as well say "Why I'm not a Presbyterian, a Baptist, a Methodist, a Lutheran, etc. and why you shouldn't be one too." Many denominations began with sound theological roots and later became apostate. Quakers are not alone in this. However, you're description is accurate concerning one type of present day Quaker group, probably the English type. But from it's inception there existed orthodox Friends who struggled against these tendencies in an attempt to stay biblical in theology. In the 19th century John Joseph Gurney, a Friend influenced by the evangelical revivals, led a movement among Friends to revitalize Friends in the direction of Biblical faithfulness. Today there exists here in America hundreds of evangelical Friends Churches with Quaker roots and evangelical theology who do not embrace the direction taken by "silent" Friends. So, I am a proud Quaker, and evangelical Friend totally committed to the authority of Scripture and the need to spread the Gospel. In fact, I served as Quaker Pastor for about 25 years!

@bma

Ай бұрын

That’s great to hear. Thanks for sharing. Quakers here in New Zealand are largely a new age cult. This video is a warning against abandoning the authority of scripture, not a hit piece against Quakers as such.

They make good OATS! 😁

Jn 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5:, 6-8,

I almost joined a cultish movement out in Victoria Australia, their founder was a Quaker and would heve his followers perform the silence circle thing even after departing with the Quakers.

I am one❤️

West Jersey? How is that related to New Jersey?

Like baptist, they are a new thing

You used the word "ethos". I get "εθος", "ηθος", and "ειωθος" confused. What's the difference?

Daryl, my grandmother lives in Pennsylvania and I have personally been to the Quaker areas. Your assessment is absolutely true and I am very encouraged by this content. Jesus upheld the authority of Gods word in Holy Scripture and condemned practices that were contrary to scripture. We should do the same.

Interesante video. Bien 👍

Sola Scriptura!

Zealousness for the Lord seems to often segue into some form of religious extremism. Religion: Man's best efforts to serve God in man's way. The "guard rails" of the Word of God are essential for ensuring the service of the Lord in His way. 2 Cor 3:4-6 KJVA And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6. Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. Application and interpretation of the Word must not neglect the Spirit of the One who wrote it.

@oktober06

22 сағат бұрын

Spirit of Agape love

I don't get why they lowered the need for the holy scriptures but I get how churches can make us sour and become disenchanted with many pastors and churches. It is just as dangerous to say someone is not being led by the Holy Spirit as to say they are.

@DelaneyAugustineWalk

6 күн бұрын

“they” includes me. i read the bible daily and pray throughout the day. many do as well

@oktober06

22 сағат бұрын

may we all be inspired by Living Word = selfless love, compassion, respect

Your observation is right it could be applicable to all the mainline churches as well they are apostates

The Bible isn’t “from God” it may have been inspired by a belief in God but obviously God had little to do with a lot of it. God doesn’t indorse slavery but the Bible did, I doubt that the same God that brought Christ would want homosexuals or people who don’t follow the kosher laws to be stoned to death-but the Bible did. Christ told us to love our neighbors, Leviticus told us to stone our neighbors so I see this observation as problematic. I believe in silence and patience God can speak to a person, God gave us intuition for a reason. Sure, there are very laid back Quakers who are glorified atheists maybe but I personally choose to still believe in Jesus Christ, and I also respect all of the other religions too. God spoke to the world, not just tot the Jews, hence why all religions have so much in common. The kingdom of God is amongst us and within us. Love is the law❤️💚❤️

How do we know anything outside of scripture? Well the Bible doesn't say anything about how a church is set up. It doesn't tell how to do the sacraments. It doesn't tell how to conduct a wedding or a funeral. We only know that because it was passed down by tradition in the Church. That's for those of you wedded to sola scripta.

@roberttrevino62800

Ай бұрын

Read the Bible more carefully. It absolutely tells you how to administer the two sacraments of Baptism and the Lords Supper

@stevelenores5637

Ай бұрын

@@roberttrevino62800 In a very general way. There is much more to it then the way the protestants practice it. Much is left out of how the church actually does it. I attended an Orthodox baptism and it takes about an hour. The Eucharist basically takes place during the liturgy and administered just before the church is dismissed. Protestants leave about 90+% out if they only follow the New Testament.

@rinkevichjm

Ай бұрын

We know of the truth only because Christ gave it to men to speak for Him and they speaking for Him did the same with more men Lk 10:16 et al.

@roberttrevino62800

Ай бұрын

@@stevelenores5637 my Protestant church administers both of those sacraments just as you described. Baptisms are an hour full service, and the Lords Supper is during the Liturgy. We do it just like you, except without prayers to the dead, Marian exaltation, iconography, and much more that is not found in scripture-- which was passed down by the Holy Apostles who wrote the traditions we are to keep.

@rinkevichjm

Ай бұрын

Fox never had a true revelation, he was still disobedient to God’s Son cf Jn 3:36.

Stick to Greek. If you think your 'view' of Christianity is the 'correct' one you are clueless. Like xianity is monolithic! As if Dabney or Warfield or Calvin or anyone else had the 'correct doctrine" - amazing! address your own problems and BS theology first!

@catholictruth102

Ай бұрын

Not every denomination is correct.

@gmac6503

Ай бұрын

@@catholictruth102 NONE of the denominations are correct. They just claim to be correct and everyone else is wrong. It goes all the way back to Paul disagreeing with James and Peter. It's all a bunch of personal interpretation. The ones who disagree are heretics lol.

@gmac6503

Ай бұрын

@@catholictruth102 Greek teachers like this guy and others don't even teach Greek properly. They go to verses and then claim that's the Trinity. It's laughable. Greek apologists are the worst so you take them with a grain of salt and throw away the garbage and it's a lot of garbage. They can't even be honest with the text. Look at Dan Wallace.

@catholictruth102

Ай бұрын

@@gmac6503 The Trinity is obviously scriptural because you see the Godhead described with plural pronouns all throughout scripture. *Genesis 1:26* “Then God said, “Let *us* make man in our image, after *our* likeness.” *Isaiah 44:6* “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel *and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:* “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.” *John 14:23* “Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and *we* will come to him and make *our* home with him.” Plural pronouns denote a multiplicity of persons. One God, three persons.

@gmac6503

Ай бұрын

@@catholictruth102 There is no trinity in the new testament and nowhere at all in the Hebrew bible! 1) no you don’t see the godhead described with plural pronouns throughout scripture. 2) gen 1:26 is NOT talking about the godhead. It’s talking about a Divine Council. 3) Isa 44:6 has nothing to do with a trinity 4) John 14:23 you took totally out of context and imjected your theology INTO it. Again, plural pronouns do not denote a multiplicity of persons. You don’t know grammar. You don’t know Hebrew grammar at all. And there is nothing in the Bible about one God and three persons. There are councils after that 2 to 4 centuries after the New Testament was written , so you failed. Plus, this is a Greek channel and not apologetics. Although this guy injects apologetics when he teaches Greek, nevertheless, he knows his Greek. It’s just that he reinterprets it and apologetics forces him to see these doctrines that are not there in the original writings. That’s why it’s always good to read the critical scholars and not apologetics being injected into what they want it to say. The Trinity was invented centuries after the Bible was completed. It is nowhere in the Hebrew bible or New Testament and that’s the end of the discussion. I recommend spending about $1500 in books and looking into the history of it like I did. And I studied the Trinity so I could explain it better to others. It backfired. It’s not there. I recommend reading and following Dale Tuggy and his KZread channel for starters. I also recommend you learn Hebrew Greek and Aramaic because your claim that plural pronouns denotes a multiplicity of persons is totally incorrect. It’s even incorrect in English. It can mean plurality of persons but even plural nouns do not mean it’s plural. You go by the verb. Also, even when it means the plurality of persons it doesn’t have anything to do with the Trinity. The concept didn’t even come until the Hellenistic period.