I’ve had TsProf for 2years now , The blitz for a short time , The Kadet pro and Now the K03 pro , I have all the Clamps, center clamps and filet center clamps , There all awesome but the K03 is best imo the axicube works great , Thanks for the vid

@Beerzy

6 ай бұрын

I have a K03 also with all the clamps. It's my first knife sharpening system and I'm happy with it. Buying a Tormek tomorrow for another option.

The one thing I will say that the W.E. excels at is plateau sharpening. You can look straight down at the edge and do single back and forth stokes and literally erase the light reflection and avoid burring and wasting metal. I just purchased the TSP/K03 Pro and glad I did. Thanks for sharing. Nice video.

@michaell397

6 ай бұрын

Wicked edge is a good system for back in its day, but it is far behind now and ridiculously very priced. KnifeMaker

FYI I was supposed to adjust the stone compensator when I switched plates but I was yapping away and forgot to do that... Edge still came out nasty as hell.

Thank you for the video. I was just about to pull the trigger on a WE system and then I watched this.

I noticed the pivot point of the rod and the clamps are not aligned, I wonder if this results in uneven bevels.

I sell a 3D printed center clamp adapter for the Kadet, Kadet Pro, and K03 that's similar, and in stock. I have video on my channel if your interested.

@knifeknerdreviews4609

10 ай бұрын

I have seen your adapter but its a one piece. The 2 piece allows you leave the brackets in place even if you wanna spread the clamps out. Thats the only reason I didnt jump on yours when the aluminum ones were out of stock.

@nielsdaniels1128

8 ай бұрын

Please give me a link to your 3D printed Center Clamp for the TS-Prof K03

@christurnerct49

2 ай бұрын

Is that you trying to sell the evo 3 ?

"the wicked edge is not a good system", Bold statement. You make out changing the angle is difficult on the WE, it isn't at all. I tossed up between both, I liked the Ts because you could get aftermarket stones. But a lot of people were reporting poor build quality and terrible customer service. So WE won out

@knifeknerdreviews4609

11 ай бұрын

Well I respect your opinion, everybody has preferences but I didnt say it was dofficult to change the angle I said it was a bad design and I stand by that. The fact that I'm in several of the largest groups dedicated to professional level sharpening and not any of the top sharpeners in the hobby are running a wicked edge tells us all we need to know... As for the build quality, I disagree, TSprof is made of precision cnc machined and anodized aluminum parts built to tight tolerances while wicked edge is basic water jet cut and cast parts built to meh specs... This is like comparing a porsche to chevy, like its not even close... But these things are subtlties not everybody is keen to.

@Gravattack

11 ай бұрын

@@knifeknerdreviews4609 I said you made out it was difficult to change. I for one have no brand loyalty, I didn't design it, I just bought it. It's simply a product. So don't think I am trying to say either is better. I haven't used the TS, it just didn't fit what I wanted. I am fantastic at making a sharp knife blunt on a whetstone, so wanted a decent fixed system. I honestly think I would have managed with either and been happy, but I just didn't like a few things on the TS, more than a few on the WE. The TS being able to use after market stones is a massive plus, and maybe I will grab one later on. I appreciate your input

@BluetoothBlades

7 ай бұрын

I only own the worksharp system with the upgraded stone set and zippered case. It is a wonderful beginner set but it does take longer to sharpen knives with the smaller stones but is an excellent system for smaller size knives. With that being said, I am ready to move on to a better system...I have watched a ton of videos on different systems and the TSProf with the ability to use just about any stone and the thickness adjustment under the rack and pinion rod holder has sold me on the TSProf. Although there are many good systems on the market this one seems to fit my needs the most. Also, for me...because I'm older and my eyes aren't the greatest anymore...it is easier for me and pretty much every one else to view videos in landscape mode. Just a thought.

@sganet_

7 ай бұрын

@@BluetoothBladesI switched over from wicked edge, it is not easy to use at all. During Black Friday I saw the TSPROF Kadet Pro 7075-T6 version on sale for $368 and jumped on it. Comes with 5 of their Diamond stones.

@georgeyoung4292

7 ай бұрын

I am maniac that had to buy 3times..First was WE and after some training i learned to minimize the design limitations but i absolutely agree with his statement, than i bought kme cause i moved to South East Asia and i couldnt find WE stones here and price of shipping and import taxes would surpass the price of kme that i could get here and you can get great results and i liked it more than WE.. Finally my wife bought me tsprof kadet with venev resin bond cbn stones... My men🙏Its not even comparable... Its like going from Toyota to Bugatti🙏 Precision, design, material quality (you cant imagine it before you try it like i did) I was only about getting knive sharp but these stones and the beauty system actualy made me to love sharpening more than i like knives... There is no plastic on this thing, its rock solid , beautiful to touch and stones are incredible🙏 I undestand u have WE and you like it, good im happy for you but at the same time i feel sorry for you cause having venevs and choseras is just experience and pleasure you will never get on WE and ones if WE wake up and give that option it will cost you 1000bucks cause its overpriced , over engineered piece of junk🤷‍♂️ Thats it

I just got my Kadet and love it. I will definitely be practicing on my beater knives first.

Can I ask where you got that green rod holder?

I already have a WE and don’t sharpen often enough to warrant a TSPROF. I have all the stones and comfortable with the system. If I were starting out I’d probably go TSPROF

@clickhere3

5 ай бұрын

Why would you stay with the TSPROF?

Long time no see my man. A great informative video 📹. Thanks so much. 👍

Neat demo, and that was fast! I get it about the accessories and proprietary stuff, it's a bummer. I'd like to get any sharpening system, but I don't have that many knives yet.

Ive had 2 wicked edge systems, and now like you, I see what your saying. I find more my self saying WTH, why did that happen?

I am using the TSPROF K03 and its the best most precise sharpening system ever

I strongly considered the Hapstone, but went all the way with the KO-3 by TSPROF. No regrets, it's an incredibly well engineered & manufactured system. Was recently able to put the mirror polish on my EDC "Delica" by using a 3 micron diamond lapping film after the usual stone progression. That polished edge sure is pretty! Enjoyed this, thanks...

@jessecotter4476

10 ай бұрын

i went with ko3 pro and seems like they are out of stock for years now of optional equipment (axi cube or convex adapter come to mind) I wish i never chose Pro and texted CS to ask what parts i need to change my Pro to Standard. No response after several requests for years now. I think the difference is in diameter of sharpening rod and its slide bearing

@thechumpsbeendumped.7797

9 ай бұрын

I don't know how much the the convex adapter costs but it's easy to make your own in 30 mins with basic tools. I used 2x10mm Perspex offcuts super-glued together to make it thick enough the drilled 2 holes with a 10-12° offset to give the desired convexing ark. On my system one of the holes is large enough for a bolt that connects to the stone holder and the other is drilled large enough to screw in a thread insert used for chipboard furniture that had the same thread pitch as the guide-rod. I made it slightly undersized and heated up the insert so it melted the plastic and bonded with it alternatively epoxy would work just as well in a slightly larger hole. I’ve been using it for a month and I love it and find any excuse to put a mirror-polished convex on just about anything. 😅 One thing I didn’t like at first was having to use the stroke limiting collars, because it’s essential the strokes are exactly the same length. That means you have to knock into the collars at the end of every stroke and not only did the noise annoyed me but more importantly the constant knocking can move the collars if they not cranked down hard enough with less than optimal results. 2 things I don’t like are needless noise and over cranking steel Allen screws threaded into aluminium. I got over both these issues by making 2 bumpers from 3mm hair-bands looped several times around the rod at both ends to cushion the impact on the collars. I’d use O-rings if I had any but what I have works perfectly and I keep forgetting to buy some when I go to the hardware store.

@michaell397

6 ай бұрын

@@jessecotter4476 Have you ever considered picking up the phone and calling them or their dealer Grit O Matic? Always worked for me! ;

Does anyone know where i can get a green rod holder like the o e in this video?

@knifeknerdreviews4609

2 ай бұрын

It was 3d printed by a guy in the tsprof facebook group,. It broke after a few months as did the kadet shortly after making this video.

Thx nice review

Good to know, Thanks

im not sure if u mention it but where did u get your green rod holder?

@knifeknerdreviews4609

11 ай бұрын

It was a 3d print from a guy in the TsProf group on facebook.

@Hvac.tools_

11 ай бұрын

@@knifeknerdreviews4609 ok cool! Ty! 👊🏼 Got to join!

@omfgbbqsauce1177

11 ай бұрын

@@knifeknerdreviews4609 What group would that be? Thanks!

I love my tsprof. Where did u get the parking braket?? The green deal

@knifeknerdreviews4609

Жыл бұрын

That you Mateo? I got it from a guy in rhe TsProf group on FB. He 3D printed it. Huge improvement.. There is another guy printing brackets to center the clamps too.

I sharpened a full sized machete wicked sharp. No mods at all to the wicked edge system.

@knifeknerdreviews4609

Жыл бұрын

When you say "Full Size Machete" what I picture is a blade 18 to 24 inches in length. Of course you can do that if you do the blade in sections but that wasn't the point of what I was saying about Wicked Edges excessive amount of accessories. I like the K.I.S.S. principle. Accessories are good, but a system that is good at most of the things out of the box is preferable to a lego machine that requires a different accessory for every different project. There is a reason WE sells 3 or 4 different rod lengths. And that reason is, they will make more money on it. I don't hate capitalism in the least bit and I hope Clay makes enough money in his business to retire comfortably one day. But As far as the consumer of said products the WE is not good value for what you get. And I can say that speaking from a place of experience on the matter. I've got about half the money I spent on the WE system into my Kadet Pro and it will do everything the WE did and do it better. Just the facts brotha.

@2216sammy

8 ай бұрын

@@knifeknerdreviews4609 WE parts are ridiculously expensive .

Hi there, I really enjoyed your video on Stiff Bearings. In that video you mentioned that you do a video on lock bar adjustment for drop shut on the blade. Would you please do that for us . I really appreciate your knowledge. By the way I ordered some Stiff Bearings for my twosun TS 313 knife. Looking forward to getting them in the mail. Thank you for your time and have a great day from Charles

P.S. Admiring your hex ratchet, never seen one of those? Looks to be easier than fiddling with the included hex keys...

Hey sale me the wicked edge i have been trying to buy 1 but there pretty expensive and i have tried looking for a bootlegged wicked edge and can't find 1

Completely change the angle when switching stones on the Wicked Edge? That’s a gross exaggeration it’s actually a very tiny turn of a thumb screw no more than when you tighten down your stone.

@knifeknerdreviews4609

10 ай бұрын

Disagree with that, their stones come in a wide array of thickness. Like the ceramics are way thicker than the diamonds, then you got lapping films on glass and strops of various materials none of it is consistent. Since there is no accurate way to compensate for the varying thickness yes your angle is going to be inconsistent when swapping stones. You may not notice it, but it is happening whether you know it or not. With the TS Prof the thickness compensator accurately sets the angle every time you switch stones. Also tons of play in the way WE stones ride on the rods. I could go on for days about all the issues I had with WE but thats on me for being OCD. 😅

Can you tell me what benefit to getting the K30 over the Kadet pro would be? If I don’t need to spend 400.00 more I don’t want too. Thanks!

@saltyguerrilla

9 ай бұрын

Also can you put a convex edge on a Bowie with the Kadet & K30?

@knifeknerdreviews4609

9 ай бұрын

K03 can do larger knives, has a more stable base and more accessories. They do have a convexing attachment for it I believe but not for the kadet. Not sure though.

@airriflepower

6 ай бұрын

Kadet has convexe edge attachment sold seperately

@homoconspectum

3 ай бұрын

The Main Difference is size and thickeness of blades, longer stones possible and you can rotate the clamps without the need to first opening a clamp. So in a nutshell: it's just larger and much quicker to rotate. K03 is for commercial/professional application, Kadet for the Enthusiast/Hobbyist.

After market stone sled for WE. WE made cheaper but takes off less steel. Its a better way to sharpen but not built as well. Faster cutting is all on stones. Cbn crazy fast.

You should try the Venev Centaur CBN stones they cut so much faster than the Hapstone premium cbn stones. You should also try the Venev Gemini series stones they are 6×1/2 and curved it makes sharpening recurved blades so easy.

I'm just pissed I spent money on the wicked edge 4. It's pathetic. The KO3 all day every day.

*this video was brought to you by TsProf

@knifeknerdreviews4609

5 ай бұрын

I wish! Lmao... You think my little ass channel has sponsors? 🤣 not even remotely dude... Oh and for the record this Machine started having issues not long after this video and I ended up breaking it trying to fix it, so its gone, I got a new Hapstone RS coming to try next.

What WE system did you have?

@knifeknerdreviews4609

5 ай бұрын

130. And I just changed systems again, the Kadet failed me after a little under 2 years. Im on the Hapstone RS now.

@mattrc77

5 ай бұрын

@@knifeknerdreviews4609 yeah I'm not a fan of the 130 from the research I've done but I am looking at the WE66 still, but I will definitely check out the hapstone RS. Might also look at getting the new premium work sharp and doing the modification so you could use aftermarket Stones.

@knifeknerdreviews4609

5 ай бұрын

@@mattrc77 Hapstone RS is already better than the Kadet for me. Way mor solid, the Clamps are a little crappy but once you figure them out its a superb system for what it costs, I wouldnt even consider a worksharp product its junk.

So you complain about different thickness of stones because you’re OCD which I totally understand BUT when you start sharpening it is flexing all over the place 😅 I’ll just stick with the Gen 4 top of the line WE with micro adjustments for thickness compensation.

@knifeknerdreviews4609

6 ай бұрын

there is some movement between the adjusment bar and the swivel/clamp assembly from left to right, this is because the angle ajustment is geared, you twist a knob to change the angles and cam a lottle lever to lock it in, the movement is side to side and does not effect your angle. There is no perfect system but this one is 10x better than a WE. The shortcomings of the Kadet are mainly due to its size and portability. The K03 is a much more solid unit made to be stationary. So effectively this system is more comparable to the portable wicked edge system but far better than the top of the line wicked edge obviously. Don't take my word for it though, I only had 5 years experience with a WE and grew to hate it by year 3. 🤣

@knifeknerdreviews4609

6 ай бұрын

Actually I take that back it did need an adjustment, all I had to do was loosen 2 set screws and change the tension level of the locking lever and now the side to side movement is 99% gone, I been meaning to go through my kadet and retune everything as Ive had it nearly a year now and some things need to be cleaned, tuned and checked. I had another issue a week ago where something started moving in the rod eyelet, that also turned out to be a loose set screw, so it needs to be gone through and some set screws need loctite.

@knifeknerdreviews4609

6 ай бұрын

It's a lot more than just the stone compensator though, With the wicked edge you Were stuck with their proprietary stones which frankly are not that good compared to newer abrasives on the market but that has changed recently thanks to Hapstone creating a set of stone adaptors made for the wicked edge so you can now use good stones however you still have to buy 2 stones per grit so your cost of abrasives is double mine. Its sad that a russian company had to make adaptors to bring the wicked edge into the modern abrasive market but at least those adaptors exist now for current wicked edge owners. But one of the big reasons I dumped the wicked edge is because it tried to murder me... Yep you heard that right and no I'm not kidding. That Cam lever set of jaws is dangerous, the way it is designed when you lock that cam down the jaws are under constant spring tension. Wanna know what happens if the blade slips or is forced out of the jaws by that spring tension? take a wild guess... Yep you got it, the knife goes flying quite literally, it will shoot straight up in the air and guess where your face is at when you're sharpening... 😂 Luckily I was able to enter the matrix and dodge a flying razor sharp knife that was headed right for my face and narrowly avoid a lifetime of facial disfigurement or possible death. So keep that in mind when you lock that Cam down... Pay close attention to how stable your blade is in those jaws and keep your face away from the system...

It looks like they only go up to 1000grit

@knifeknerdreviews4609

10 ай бұрын

What are you referring to?

I gotta respectfully disagree. Ive owned two TSPROF Ko3 (see channel) Hapstone R1, and currently own a WE Commercial and Tormek T8. I think the quality on the WE systems FAR outshine what I received from TSPROF. Also, curious to know where you heard the parts are water cut and cast? The entirety of the Gen3, Gen 4, Commercial are CNC billet alluminum. The TSPROF Ko3, the BEST version they sell, wasnt bad, but its quality wasn't anything special to me. To each there own, but I DO know of other professional sharpeners who use a WE along with a belt or other system. FYI, I own Naniwa Chosera water stones+ Shapton Profesional stones for the WE all the way to 30k.

@knifeknerdreviews4609

6 ай бұрын

I dont have any experience with their highest end model because its too expensive. Why am I paying extra money for a shelf on a sharpening system? How does that help me sharpen knives? 🤣 why am I paying more for a dangerous spring loaded clamp that launches knives into the air? Why am I paying twice for stones that cant do the job any faster than a single stone? Why are their plates glued on with hot glue? The cheapest weakest glue ever. I could go on and on about the failings of that system but more than anything I"m just not paying nearly double the price for gimmicks that dont help me sharpen knives better or more effciently.

@danielslatenightsharpening254

6 ай бұрын

​@knifeknerdreviews4609 I appreciate your feedback, but I don't really know where to start. As a general statement, I am an engineer by trade and often work closely with machine shops, manufacturing tolerances, inspection methodologies, etc. The only reason why Im stating that is because I believe its important to add context to the statements I'm making/responding too. So real quick: 1. There are I believe at least 4 different systems, all at varying price points, that utilize the Cam Lock Vise. Those vary between 300 or so to 1400.00. Any system in that lineup would reflect my personal experience with WE. 2. I'd like to touch on the question you didn't answer: what specifically are you refering to when you say "water cut, cast parts"? Again, my experience has been that the majority of components that make up their systems are CNC, billet aluminum. Excellent workmanship and litterally the best after sales support if an issue is identified. As it sounds like you have special knowledge of their systems, what is cast or low quality? 3. How would their vise cause the knife to spring upward? I don't see how that would be possible....but thats why I'm asking. 4. The reason why I sold my KO3 (the best system they sell) was due to the amount of flex and deflection tied to their clamps and guide rod assembly. If you watch your own video, you can clearly see this issue with your lower tier system. By design, the knife on the WE is affixed vertically. The axial pressure thats needed to aggressively remove material is significantly less than the amount of downward pressure you're applying on the system you're using. 5. I completely disagree that the WE is a lower quality system in any way. Again, please take a moment to look at my channel. I've owned the best version of your system along with TORMEK, HAPSTONE, MAD EDGE, KME. The Wicked Edge was the best quality by far. If the price or the price of new stones is too high...then it is what it is. I'm also apart of numerous knife sharpening groups. The WE is held in high regard. Look at the amount of active accounts in the WE group, then look at Tsprof. Proof is there. Also, have you not heard about the nightmare of Tsprof after sales support? The overall downwards trend in quality? To each their own...but there's a lot of support for WE out there. You also fail to acknowledge the price of a new KO3. Factor in shipping and you're able to get a well spec 'd WE for cheaper. Good luck

@knifeknerdreviews4609

6 ай бұрын

@@danielslatenightsharpening254 I dont know what sharpening groups you're in but Im in both of those groups and many more, pretty much every high level sharpening service guy has switched to TSProf... Yes the Wicked Edge group is bigger its been around for like 5 or 6 years longer than the Tsprof group. And it is the sole group for wicked edge so all the owners whom use facebook end up there looking for help with learning because the system is difficult to learn. It takes years to be proficient with wicked edge. Any newb can pick up a tsprof and be making perfect mirrored edges after 20 knives because its simple and effective. The cheap cast parts that fail on the wicked edge are on the lower end systems where they utlize screws on the jaws that end up ripping straight through the aluminum after a year or 2 of use which if you have been around the wicked edge group you have seen happen plenty of times. Luckily the service is good and the jaws get replaced for free but it is a failure point that has happened over and over again. The cam lock maintains constant spring pressure against the blade, if the blade slips while in the jaws the jaws slam shut and shoot the knife straight up in the air and it becomes a projectile razor blade. I know this because it happened to me and I narrowly avoided being permanenlty disfigured because the knife almost hit me in the face. It also damaged the finish on the $500 knife when it shot it out of the jaws. Any percieved "flex in the TSprof system is non consequential because it does not effect the angle whatsoever, however the play between the rods and the plastic stone holders on the wicked edge absolutely do introduce angle change and cause you to have 2 bevels on the edge unless you are extremely skilled with how you stroke the stones and well aware of the play issue between the rod and stone holders as well as the rod knuckles. The wicked Edge is held in high regard by wicked edge owners because they mostly have not realized there is better systems on the market or they feel they need to justify the thousands of dollars they invested into a subpar system that relies on gimmicks rather then effectiveness and efficiency. 🙅‍♂️

I don’t like this sharpener : it is moving to much !

@knifeknerdreviews4609

9 ай бұрын

Left hand goes on the base brother. I do agree it could use a heavier base but its meant to be portable. Left hand holds the base, right hand does the work.

Junk system Had it...weak build even weaker results. Stones are garbage. Waste of money

@knifeknerdreviews4609

Ай бұрын

I dont disagree but its still better than a wicked edge.

You should learn how to freehand sharpen. The wicked edge and all systems all have alot of faults. Pick your poison. Lol

@knifeknerdreviews4609

Жыл бұрын

I free hand sharpened from 1994 to 2016... Yeah I think I'm good bro you can keep that... lol. Jigs are far superior in every way.

@Platoface

6 ай бұрын

I have a Tormek 800 with all the bells and whistles. Sharpening on the TSProf Kadet Pro is insanely easy. I also sharpen freehand but it’s just therapeutic sharpening with the TSProf. It takes all the thinking out of it. You just sharpen.

Sorry, but no way am I running my hand towards a sharpened edge. Appears utter lunacy.

@knifeknerdreviews4609

Ай бұрын

I have been using sharpening jigs for nearly 10 years, it is as safe as any other sharpening method, there is always the human error factor.

dude,you simply do not deserve a WE system,period...

@knifeknerdreviews4609

3 ай бұрын

Oh my god, you fanboys are hilarious...🤣 Wha...somebody didnt like something I like Wha... Guess I'll have to post an angry reply and smite them.. 😂 what are you 12 years old dude? Its a sharpener, an over engineered contraption that fails on so many levels while ignoring the fundemental purpose for it's existence.. There is no perfect sharpening jig but the wicked edge is the last system I would buy right now knowing what I know about it and having long term experience with it and other systems... Be angry about it.

@gilbertdiaconu7145

3 ай бұрын

WE is before anything a genious and one of a kind ideea that doesn't come cheap...it's ok if you are happy with the rest,is just a sharpener as you said,sorry if i offended you brother !