I've had the same exact issues with sounds on my Dell laptop as well. Thought it'd be a missing driver, thank you for clarifying it

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

It stumped me for a while!

Hello again mate! Being a Red Hat'ter at work myself, I use Fedora for my main and only personal driver at home. It contains all I need for every day life. But also see how Windows software is greatly needed for many, and for many good reasons. Windows is not going away ever, or at least not for a very, very long time. Great video Andrew!!!! I always look forward to your videos. You don't post very often but your content quality is always high. And love the edited visuals! I think I am sold on ONLYOFFICE, gonna have to try it out.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I liked this video, the only problem is you didn't leave an holes in your logic for me to point out in the comments. How rude.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

😂 I'm sure there must be something!

Thank you for the update. I have really enjoyed hearing your views, especially the fascinating details about the audio technology. Audio is generally a mess on linux but there is a new technology, called Pipewire, that is supposed to be a big improvement. Only time will tell. Question:- If MS produced a native linux version of Office, would you consider moving all your devices to linux, or do you have other apps that keep you on Windows?

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

I gave PipeWire and PulseAudio a shot, but it seems like a bust on this laptop. If MS produced a native version of Office, or there were decent Exchange & OneNote clients I could pair with ONLYOFFICE then the only thing holding me back on this laptop is the audio, otherwise I'd switch tomorrow (it's not officially supported on Windows 11 anyway). On my desktop there are other reasons to stay with Windows. I can manage my Linux servers from Windows or Linux, but management of my Windows servers works better from Windows. I use DaVinci Resolve for video editing, and whilst it started life on Linux it's now much more painful to use on Linux compared to Windows. Most of my media would need to be transcoded because of licensing issues on Linux and the GPU driver situation is a mess (last I checked it needed a really old OpenCL component that AMD dropped ages ago). Finally, games... I may be deluding myself but eventually I'll have time to play a game... I find the idea of running both Windows and Linux appealing, anyway. It helps keep my knowledge up to date if I'm forced to use both regularly.

@travelcompass591

Жыл бұрын

I would immediately

awesome explanation especially sound

@ProTechShow

7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

I would also suggest checking out the Pipewire audio server for linux. Pipewire has a direct DSP application called EasyEffects. EasyEffects applies DSP filters to the audio stream that go above and beyond a simple multi-band equalizer. Fair complaints for that specific laptop. However, you must understand that from a pure audio prospective linux is actually giving you the more accurate signal. The windows driver is essentially applying a DSP filter to the audio. While this would make for a better user experience, it would make any audio engineering work impossible on the laptop speakers because you are not hearing the actual audio signal being input.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

I tried both PipeWire and PulseAudio. PipeWire's what Fedora uses out of the box these days. EasyEffects is what I used to try and fix it with a manual EQ, and I also played with its other filters/effects. In my case it made no difference because the hardware was unable to produce the frequencies I was adjusting in EasyEffects, but I'm sure it would be useful for someone on a different device. The laptop is just for general use, no audio work. I'm no audio engineer but I can't really trust it for setting the levels on these videos. The Waves psychoacoustic stuff makes it sound closer to how you'd expect it to, but you're right that it's not "real" and is coloured by the processing. It goes beyond just adjusting for the speakers' shortcomings and applies some additional filtering to create a more pronounced V-shape to the output.

Thank you for an honest and balanced review. I found similar issues with audio/mic under SUSE to the point of pain, but they all magically disappeared under Manajaro. I didn't fiddle about with any specific drivers either time. A quick note about Outlook with Exchange, it is a piece of shit at the best of times. Having worked in IT, I can tell you a large minority of tickets have always been regarding Outlook falling over for no reason whatsoever. Throw in huge archives and public folders (deprecated now), and it quickly becomes a nightmare. I sometimes could not believe what Exchange + Outlook is meant to be enterprise grade software, but I guess that is what you get when there are no viable alternatives.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I did try Manjaro, but alas my sound is not getting any better on this device unless Dell/Waves have a considerable change of heart. My experience with Exchange and Outlook has been much more positive, although I have taken on sites where it was a mess that needed cleaning up. Outlook has a couple of decades of baggage for compatibility reasons, so if you just throw it out there unchecked users will find the legacy features that have no place on a modern platform and make a mess with it. A few group policy settings make all the difference though - disable PSTs in favour of server-side archiving, or bigger mailboxes, or retention policies (anything but PSTs); and enforce cached mode with a sensible limit, and it's pretty good. Public folders are a menace, but you need an admin to go out of their way to create them these days, so... don't. For orgs with tons of legacy public folders, I find server upgrades or cloud migrations to be the perfect time to draw a line in the sand and find a better solution. It's worth the short-term pain to get rid of them.

lol yeah....popos 22.04 the audio drives me nuts....gave up trying to switch between and just decided "one device only" was easier to keep running....

There is an official Microsoft supported version of Teams available on Linux. As of right now, you can open shared OneNote Notebooks and any Outlook Calendar in the app. It is likely mail will eventually be available through Teams, too.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

Teams just opens the web versions of Office. It can be a handy way to quickly view a document but they have limited functionality compared to the full app and are much less reliable. For the couple of weeks I was running it I did use the web apps for OneNote and Outlook, but for OneNote in particular I usually went to my Windows desktop instead because a lot of the content in the notebooks couldn't load in the web app.

Interresting that your Dell has psychoacoustics applied to it by MS. My Thinkpad T15 sounds exactly the same in Windows or Linux (OpenSuse in my case). Regarding Office. I´m not an advanced office user, but I never had a problem sharing documents with my Windows customers from my Libreoffice. I guess it´s about saving them in MS format.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

Yes - they're coming from MS Office so they're already in the MS format before I would see them. The psychoacoustic stuff is the result of collaboration between Dell & Waves and only applies to a specific list of devices. Windows pulls down the driver from Windows Update automatically, but it only works if you're using one of the models Waves built it for. I'm not sure if that's a licensing thing or if it has to be tuned to the characteristics of individual speakers.

@michaelheimbrand5424

Жыл бұрын

@@ProTechShow Forgot to say that I never heard any complaint from Windows users about documents I have sent. BTW: Interresting stuff about Dell's sound problem. Here's one from me. My main desktop is an old iMac 27" with OpenBSD. Wonderful combination. But the iMac has internal subwoofers that OpenBSD doesn´t use by default, and I can´t get my head around sndiod. I can vouch for the iMac without the subs sound like a 90's cellphone. But I use it as an excuse for using better external speakers It's how OpenBSD makes my life better... ;) Never had an issue on sound on laptops with OpenBSD though. Thanks for your reply.

Have really found your videos very helpful, especially from an IT perspective. From what I see with OnlyOffice, it does have a full email suite, essentially to replace Exchange. Did you test out their collaboration suite? Just with my very brief test, that is one issue that I saw between OnlyOffice and Microsoft Office -- Shared Workbooks. In my work environment, that becomes an issue. But, I haven't tested to see if their email client would be a decent alternative.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

I was only testing the desktop apps here, but I plan to make a video integrating the web version with Nextcloud - probably in January. Changing the email servers themselves isn't an option so I was looking for an Exchange-compatible client (an Outlook replacement rather than an Exchange replacement) that I could use.

@cwolf3116

Жыл бұрын

@@ProTechShow I can understand wanting to find an Exchange compatible client. I'm hoping Thunderbird and the K9mail integration will help with that. However, I was curious to see about replacing an Exchange server, and how well that suite was working compared to Exchange Online. Which is where Microsoft seems to be pushing now.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

The usual problem is that there isn't one open source program that replaces everything Exchange does, so the result usually ends up as a disjointed mashup of different tools. I don't think Thunderbird/K9 supports Exchange properly, either. Most open source projects don't want to spend time on proprietary protocols, which I understand; but it alienates the majority of business users - the largest group of which are on Exchange Server/Online and most of which have POP/IMAP disables as legacy protocols. I may have some time to test it again before the Nextcloud video.

Davmail can fix your MS Exchange issue. You can install it locally or even host on a server, it acts as a bridge between Microsofts OWL Protocoll and IMAP SMTP and CalDAV

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

Haven't tried that in a long time. It felt... kludgey then. I'm sure there were issues with support for latest (at the time) versions of Exchange - essentially any time MS change the protocols Davmail breaks and has to play catch-up. It's a pretty cool project but it's definitely a workaround.

Great video. Although I use Linux for home, and I prefer Linux, there are numerous reasons why I still use Windows at work.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

Cheers!

Probably the best way to experiment with Linux is to install it into a virtual machine. A company that I once worked for upgraded their MS Office to a newer version. I don't remember exactly, but I think we were moving from Microsoft Office 2007 (maybe it was Office 2010) to Office 2016 We could not open previous versions Word, Excel, and Access files in the new MS-Office version. I solved the problem in the following way. Install Libre Office. Then I would open MS Office files in LibreOffice and save them in MS-Office format. Then I could open them in the newer MS-Office version.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

Other way around, perhaps? Newer versions of MS Office have always been backwards compatible with older files as far as I know (I can still open a1997-2003 formatted file today), but there was a point between 2003 and 2007 where the filetypes changed and a compatibility pack was needed to open newer files on older versions of Office.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL DONE video! I love Linux but it has a long way to go.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Hey mate, I like that you honest without bashing linux software. I wish we had more people like you on linux side of the OS spectrum. Sadly we have lot of trolls BTW im full time linux user, Im so used to linux that im kinda lame at using windows. Best wishes to you

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes, I've experienced the trolls... fortunately Linux also has some great people using/building it.

Interesting about the sound. Not something I care about as with a laptop, which I don't use normally, I could wear headphones and on my desktop, which is what I always use, I have external speakers that work perfectly. But that was an interesting subject.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

It's a clever trick. Glad someone else found it interesting, too!

Another Alternative are Softmaker Office or Free office if Microsoft Compatibility is really important. Softmaker Office is paid but FreeOffice is free with some features missing.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

Not come across that one, thanks. Some of the free restrictions seem a bit arbitrary.

For me the needs of a computer is intentionally minimal and it makes not much difference if I use Windows or Linux. I am on Fedora for about the time of Windows XP and it has not been not that problematic. At times things get broken, but that is not much different than with any other Linux distros out there.

Very good points. "There is a huge market for a higher quality paid version of LibreOffice, not yearly but by release." MY main sticking point with Linux is also the lower quality of the Office Suite ad I an willing to pay for it. What about the alternatives to install MS Office in Linux? Wine, virtualization, crossover, etc?

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

Everywhere I've read about it concluded that it doesn't work properly with Wine/Crossover, so you'd probably be looking at virtualisation. At that point if I'm having to run Windows within Linux anyway, I'd just use Windows myself.

I can give two stories where Linux saved the day haha. I have old Dell laptops laying around the house. It's so old that Windows won't upgrade beyond 7 or 8 and updates are no longer available. I dropped Debian flavors: Ubuntu on one, and Kali on the other. The machine performance upticks considerably. Windows is just so sllllllooooooowwwww. Windows has tasks hitting the hard drive constantly and if the drive isn't an SSD (like in an old laptop), well you get a very slow experience. Linux, no issues. My second case was with an old Mac. yeah Mac. This is a Mac from like 2006, pre Intel. I was able to drop a linux distro on it, after that Mac stopped booting up, some 10+ years later. Again, Linux saved the day. That said - as a daily driver I use Mac for my daily work, PC for games and a Linux Server and linux laptops for security research/work.

@ProTechShow

11 ай бұрын

Glad it worked out for you. It's a great use case, but seems to be a bit of a lottery in terms of driver support on laptops. I appear to have been a tad unlucky - the last 3 laptops I've tried it on each had a component that wasn't supported (the first being wireless and the most recent being the webcam). Any desktop I've tried it on has worked well, though.

Interesting, clearly the drivers for that speaker in the kernel itself must be fucked if they don't properly account for the frequency cutoff. If you know the exact model, I'd consider submitting a bug report, if you do it properly, there's a big chance it'll be addressed.

@DMSBrian24

Жыл бұрын

Oh it's some garbage proprietary tech, well never mind then.

Huh, Fedora bad? I think Fedora is the best middle ground between rolling release distros like arch and static release like Debian. What certainly makes it good for desktop users since, we are the one in need for more up-to-date software but most of us still want perfect stability and not so much in-depth knowledge as could be required by vanilla ArchLinux.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

That's pretty much exactly how I feel about it. I wouldn't choose it for a server OS, but for a desktop it feels like a good balance (as long as you don't mind frequent upgrades).

I have a programming idea for creating a Waves-like application.

I don't get the licensing model for the home user. One of payment of £150 and 1 year of updates?? What is happening after one year??

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

I think you're looking at the paid version of the (home licence for the) enterprise web app server. The desktop apps I showed in the video are free: www.onlyoffice.com/download-desktop.aspx?from=desktop

Great video.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Ive noticed the audio issues as well with a different devices. Somehow Linux consistently has lower volume overall and not as clean. On windows I'll have thr main audio at level 10 out of 100, but on Windows im at like 50% and sometimes i have to overdrive the volume past 100% but its not as clean. This happens with both, speakers and headphones. Not a big deal for me but sometimes its annoying. I have also tried multiple diatros and no change. Checked my drivers and as far as i can tell i have them and they are working so idk Having said that, still using Linux. After being set-up its closer to what i want how i want it. Windows i have to baby. Constant system and software updates that i have no control over, hunting down software, dev software more difficult to install and set-up, and so on... And now that i have a ansible play that sets up what i need, its so much easier. Windows i have to use, Linux is fun to use. I know at first its a hassle, and it does give me a problem here and there but nothing that i haven't been able to solve. EDIT: Oh and apple wants my kidney for the privilege of using their devices so thats a no go for me right now.

@ProTechShow

5 ай бұрын

😂 The bit about Apple at the end made me laugh. Funny, but true!

@EwanMarshall

3 ай бұрын

Laptop too? A bunch of modern laptops have audio amplifiers between the DAC and the internal speakers that need to be activated, there are drivers in linux for these, but a lot of Laptop OEMs do not include the data in UEFI _DSD so linux can even tell the amplifier is there but doesn't know what bus it is on to activate it or how many speakers on how many lines. A load of these cause no output at all but some just give you the raw feed if the amplifiers aren't setup. There is a bunch of lines for all sorts of laptops in the Linux source code to identify how to activate in different cases, but it does not include all laptops.

@jhonyortiz5

3 ай бұрын

@@EwanMarshall yup, laptop and PC. I don't really know much about audio on Linux and I don't care too much about it to try harder to fix it but it is something I've noticed. And thank you for the info, like I said, Linux audio is not something I know much about.

@EwanMarshall

3 ай бұрын

@@jhonyortiz5Yeah, my recomendation is laptops that explicitly support linux (System76 or Framework). Second one has other things where it is pushing for better repariability and such too.

You have had better luck than me then, my main gripe is that i dislike the way software is distributed, i actually preffer to go to websites, download a zip, uncompress it and run an executable, whith all remaining not updated until i want to do it manually, and with all the dependencies bundled inside the zip. With an installer that does essentially the same but in a predefined folder and creating shortcuts being a forerunner. I dislike having to install userspace software from a repository, having shared dependencies and app stores. And linux is full of that. I don't mind if the system software works that way for updating itself, but for the software i install, it should not, it should be isolated from the system and from all other user software in its dependencies. And i don't want to rely on a third party to get it, i want to go to the vendor/creator/maintainer and download it from their website, as that is more decentralized.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

I can see your point, but I find the whole package manager thing to be a significant benefit and will always install from repo where that's an option (many vendors maintain their own repos you can use as well as the distro's own). Having to maintain a ton of different applications in Windows is a pain. I like being to run one command and have everything updated. Maybe one day WinGet will do the same, but for now it doesn't feel ready to me.

@4cps777

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. First of all, there are also actual packaging formats that don't work like what you described and second of all, downloading software from random websites is still possible. However, I personally have found it way more convenient to either use an existing package or create a package myself because that reduces the effort everyone has to go through to install that specific software. I think what comes the closest to what you want are 1) compiling from source 2) compressed binaries (most vendors which distribute for both Windows and Linux have them on their website and Linux specific applications will often times have them as release artifacts) 3) AppImages (kinda like .dmg on macOS) 4) Flatpaks (isolated from system software, independent dependencies, auto updating, you can add as many remotes as you want and some vendors have their own remotes)

I wonder if Qubes OS will scratch your itch. Should provide the best of both worlds.

I could retire Windows completely in 2007, some 15 years ago. Now my only problem is when someone is sending an Excel-file with other embedded files in it. Libreoffice simply does not support it.

OnlyOffice actually has a fairly decent Microsoft office documents compatibility

@himindoors9501

Жыл бұрын

But only if you have the correct fonts installed on your machine. Proprietary fonts is one of the principal methods that Microsoft uses to enforce vendor lock-in. It is illegal to install many of the fonts included in Windows or Office on to linux, and most of the available alternatives are not exact equivalents, so will cause formatting problems.

@peppefailla1630

Жыл бұрын

@@himindoors9501 but you also have to consider that most people actually crack office. Better installing illegaly only a bunch of fonts than a whole software (which is also unsafe)

Convince them of a better file standard if they are reasonable, or just switch friends (or jobs). I don't bend to tyrants. Free software has a moral high ground.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

This seems completely reasonable 😆🙈

Good video. Much of the Linux community buys into the idea that Linux isn't user friendly, and (according to them) this is why Linux hasn't been successful competing with windows on the desktop. Partially due to this a ton of work goes into reinventing the desktop over and over again, with many thinking that once it gets as polished as Apple, then, it will finally take off. This is completely and utterly wrong. Almost nobody uses an OS because of how user-friendly it is, they never have. They use it because of applications and hardware that exist on that platform. Most people *need* to use windows because of their work requirements. Some people like professional audio *need* to use Mac because of their work. And this is true for nearly every industry from xray machines to CNC. Linux has been in the acceptable ballpark of user-friendliness for decades at this point. What is needed are industry solutions based on it, and until then... well... it doesn't matter what you personally want, you'll use what you need to use to feed your family. Oh and it should be pointed out that the desktop outside of business is a shadow of it's former self. Most people that don't need a laptop or desktop for work just use phones and tablets. Many kids these days are entering highschool without having even used a laptop. Desktop sales account for just 15% of Apple's revenue today. Meanwhile Linux doesn't have a viable FOSS phone solution. We are fighting yesterdays war, while not even understanding what's required to win.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. You have a point. I've found the user experience on Linux can be poor by comparison because of buggy behaviour on GUI/desktop, but in terms of user-friendliness it's pretty intuitive these days. It's difficult to put myself in the shoes of someone who hasn't used a computer before, but I reckon it's as easy if not easier to find and use software on Linux compared to Windows. The problem, like you say, is that the software you need may not exist.

@motoryzen

Жыл бұрын

Much of the Linux community does NOT claim Linux isn't user friendly Not sure where you got that nonsense from because most of the Linux communities are already comfy using it regardless of the distro community you're dealing with. Yeah.. obviously a Linux noob might think it's not user friendly. User friendly is a relative term

@entelin

Жыл бұрын

@@motoryzen User friendliness is relative to personal experience, and far less important than most people think. Popular opinion outside the Linux community is that it is difficult. I obviously don't agree with that within the context of supported hardware and software. However a great deal of the linux community also has that impression and you can prove that to yourself by reading the comments of any video on the subject. Sure not everyone does. But on the subject of popularity, very few people in the linux community really understand why it has never become popular. And the answer to that is the lack of industry solutions & commercial software that use it as a platform, no other reason plays a significant role.

That's should be changed now with a newiest software under linux (Pipewire).

@ProTechShow

10 ай бұрын

Nope, this was tested on Pipewire - Fedora's been using it by default for a while. Also tested on PulseAudio just to be sure, but fundamentally it's just never going to work without first-party driver support, and the laptop's so old now they're not going to bother. I've since tried it on a newer laptop and this time the audio's fine but the webcam doesn't work. It needed a custom kernel just to get the touchscreen working. There's always something. 🤦‍♂️

My mother in her 70s uses Fedora, so it isn't that difficult lol And no, she's not a tech person. It just makes sense to her.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

I was surprised by how many apparently regular Linux users seemed to be afraid of Fedora... Someone making the change from Windows, sure, there's a lot that's different; but someone who uses another Linux distro? 🤷‍♂️

@roracle

Жыл бұрын

@@ProTechShow also yes it is strange how regular Linux users are afraid of it. I think that's the Ubuntu generation mainly. I don't think, say, Arch or Gentoo users would be put off by it. Of course I'm 40, and been using Fedora since before it was Fedora (back when the public desktop offering was just called Red Hat Linux). For us fogies it isn't that big of a deal since Red Hat was pretty much the default back then, in the before-fore times.

@4cps777

Жыл бұрын

@@ProTechShow As an Arch (btw) user, Fedora is my recommendation for anyone who doesn't want to use a "minimalist" distro. Good update cycle, reasonably good package manager, great compatability with business software targeted at the RHEL ecosystem and they actually know how to ship vanilla GNOME instead of an abomination with 50+ extensions and a buggy theme.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

@@4cps777 Glad it's not just me. Definitely more Fedora love on this video than the last one so far!

FreeBSD and NetBSD have a better audio stack than windows and Linux. You also have Gnumeric which is faster than Excel and has more functions than Excel and gives more exact results than Excel. Excel is objectively inferior software.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

The issue isn't the audio stack so much as this device's reliance on tricking your brain to compensate for hardware limitations. I'm sure Gnumeric is very comprehensive for spreadsheeting; but for me, compatibility is much more important. I'm not doing statistical analysis on my laptop, I just need the MS Office files I receive to work reliably. I've never used BSD with a desktop environment. Maybe it's an unfair assumption, but with the smaller user base I expected to have more compatibility issues than with Linux. I might have to give it a try for curiosity...

@ioneocla6577

Жыл бұрын

I tried openbsd but there was too much software i used that isn't supported. Linux can already be annoying enough when you need to get some work done

@karlmarx1463

Жыл бұрын

@@ProTechShow The compatibility issues with FreeBSD aren't really that significant. I've been using it as a daily driver for over five years and there have never really been any problems that I couldn't easily solve or work around. My 'Microsoft LifeCam 3000' works perfectly on FreeBSD but the latest windows versions no longer support this webcam. It was very rare that I could do nothing but use a Linux binary on FreeBSD, and on those occasions it always worked by telling FreeBSD that it was a Linux binary. So you have a compatibility mode. I can also easily virtualize Clear Linux/MX Linux in FreeBSD and the browser performance is by all means about as fast as bare metal in Speedometer and StyleBench. I can probably also easily virtualize windows in VirtualBox or I think bhyve will be even faster. Audio in FreeBSD is simply the best there is. So I use FreeBSD + bitperfect mode + real-time sound settings + musicpd + Audio-Technica headphones. The sound is simply better than the best you'll find in hi-fi specialty stores. You can also use Office via wine on Linux. The 2008 version works best and is still compatible. You can also use the online Office. And you have virtualization. So three different ways to have near-perfect compatibility.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

​@@karlmarx1463 The web apps have limited functions and can't load a number of my documents properly. I also find them to be slow and unreliable - useful to quickly look at a file, but I wouldn't want to spend any time in them. They don't work for local files, either; which is a bit of a deal-breaker. Office 2007 and 2010 (assuming you meant one of those) went end-of-life years ago and lack collaboration features. Virtualisation would work, but by the time I'm running Windows inside Linux/BSD I may as well just run Windows directly. If your end goal is to use Linux or BSD then fair enough - you'll make the compromises you need to make to achieve that. My end goal is to have the best experience on my laptop so a bunch of workarounds to do simple tasks and putting up with awful audio (vendor's fault, not the OS) unless I carry headphones everywhere isn't a worthwhile trade-off for me. ONLYOFFICE seems to remove some of the hurdles, but the speakers just aren't getting better on this device outside Windows and proprietary drivers it would seem.

@karlmarx1463

Жыл бұрын

@@ProTechShow On the other hand, it has also happened several times that the web apps had important functions first, before the paid products got it. There is also something called CrossOver that could run Office 2016 on Linux. I think it's best for you.

Before I watch the video, I'm going to guess that the reason is "muh proprietary software no worky".

As always proprietary software that no-one can do shit about. Bruh On my lenovo thinkpad x1 It's way better working than in windows sadly I only dual boot windows on it to run Onenote, I hate proprietary education.

Audio on Linux for me is better than all other OS's on my devices. Even if the stack is a bit messy, sound on Windows sounds absolutely like CRAP. The difference in quality is drastic from Windows to Linux, in Linux it sounds gorgeous. The usual culprit is the drivers/firmware not being included in the kernel. I use Gentoo, so it's not an issue for me, but you would need to check with Fedora's kernel. If you use MS Office frequently... Just use the web version? Also, ODT is the default on all newer Document Editors. It's weird that people don't simply use ODT.

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

The culprit in this case is the lack of the funky psychoacoustic enhancements. It looks like Waves used to build software for Linux once upon a time but stopped; and there's no Linux version of this specific Dell/Waves collaboration. The web versions of Office are handy to quickly skim a document in Teams/SharePoint, but they're missing a lot of features so not all documents can open correctly. Also, as a general rule I find web apps to be slow and unreliable.

Please dont switch to Linux. People thinking Linux is free Windows shouldn't even try. This is completely different mindset and if Windows suits you - stay there. I for one cant stand the atrocity of Windows and this is fine. The world would be boring if everyone thinks the same way

@ProTechShow

Жыл бұрын

I'd say that's a pretty fair assessment in general. I'd also say that if Linux was just free Windows then it would be pointless. For my part I like a lot of the differences - in particular the collaborative nature of open source; but my laptop needs to be able to do "my laptop things" otherwise, as you say, stick with what works. "Right tool for the job" is my view - hence why I have a mixture of Windows and Linux servers, depending on use.

Or still no difference.

So.. apart from the audio stuff, you and your folk have sold your souls to Microsoft and are too deep in to be able to get out. So the Moral of the story is .. don't get caught up in proprietary standards/tools when starting out. Bonus moral: In 2022 hardware companies are still a**holes regarding linux support. Yes, my personal problem holding me back (for now) is my new usb3 TpLink Wifi adapter that I can't get to work properly, even though some really awesome people in the community try to create drivers. I've been using Linux on and off since 1995.. there is ALWAYS something that breaks the deal. It's frustrating to be honest.

@ProTechShow

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It's not about selling souls. It's just using the best tool for the job. It's not ideological for me. I tried desktop Linux because I have an interest in technology, I use it on servers, and I like the collaborative nature of open source software; but if Microsoft software does the job better for me, I'll use it. It's kind of hard to avoid, anyway. Unless you plan to operate in an isolated bubble then you're going to be coming into contact with it regardless of how you want to start out. If I only worked with customers who used open standards and tools then I wouldn't have many customers! I'm with you on the vendor support, though - it's an infuriating cycle: vendor doesn't support Linux, user experience suffers, people use Windows/Mac instead, vendor has barely any users on Linux, so vendor doesn't support Linux. 😡