What's the solution for this? How can we bring back Proximity Chat to Halo

@jfowl17

3 ай бұрын

You can’t. This is directly microsoft’s actions. They do it in all their games while ironically preaching about how they want to connect people.

@ZK9931

3 ай бұрын

So we gotten best thing stolen from us for 1 mistake

@FootedGhost

3 ай бұрын

@@jfowl17 I haven't played Cod in many years, but I swear they brought back Proximity chat in one of their recent games, and they're owned by Microsoft now, so I wouldn't rule it out when it comes to Halo. Just need better safety measures in place!

@jfowl17

3 ай бұрын

@@FootedGhost i could be wrong but i’m pretty sure they only removed it for ranked play. The problem imho isn’t safety measures because you sort of can’t with stuff like this without actively monitoring every conversation (which is gross for obvious reasons). I think the only solution while maintaining full proximity chat is for people to have a cup of concrete and harden the fuck up. Someone’s being a dick online? Boohoo feed it back to them or mute them. If they really persist then block them. It’s literally that simple.

@ianbelletti6241

3 ай бұрын

The actual answer is difficult. No matter what solution you come up with someone will try to abuse it. The challenge is finding the least abusable solution. I'm betting that they will have to deal with it on multiple fronts.

"The actions of a few ruin the fun for many"

@FootedGhost

3 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, spot on

@vengeance8298

2 ай бұрын

Yeah well those "few" are loud af, so loud the only real option is to remove their ability to speak 🤷‍♂️

@thekeepr

2 ай бұрын

People need to stop being such fucking babies

All they have to do is make it an option in settings. If you don't want to risk your feelings getting hurt. Turn it off.

@FootedGhost

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'd even go a step further and say it's something you need to opt into. Some people might play Halo without realizing it's on. That and the mute function should be enough to stop it somewhat.

@Major_Zephyr

3 ай бұрын

​@@FootedGhost I agree to an opt in option. The average casual gamer probably doesn't care or wouldn't want the toxicity, but the option should be there for those that want it

@jonny45k44

3 ай бұрын

They already do FOR BASIC voice chat. I don't see why they can't do this for Proximity

@xx_amongus_xx6987

3 ай бұрын

@@Major_Zephyr This wouldn't work though cause if it's an opt in option hidden in the settings, the average person will never turn it on because they will never know about it. It's one of the reasons why barely anyone uses voice chat nowadays, because they have to manually turn it on.

@alberca90

2 ай бұрын

@@xx_amongus_xx6987 there will still be plenty of people who go into settings and turn it on so yes it would work, just cuz a lot of people won't see it doesn't mean it "wouldn't work"

Man this really frustrates me even more knowing that developers just like removing fucking features and they wonder why gaming is dying

@FootedGhost

3 ай бұрын

Tbf to Bungie, this seemed warranted at the time. Although I wonder if they could have done something else to keep it in the game while also reducing the amount of abuse occurring in-game

@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778

2 ай бұрын

I think its more annoying because they use an virtue signaling reason for removing it. The reason modern games cut down on social features has nothing to do with toxicity. Thats just the excuse. it has everything to do with Engagement optimized matchmaking and disbanding lobbies. Its all about controlling the players social experience to the point that they stay in the game as long as possible. Social features go agiasn't manipulating the players matches and putting them into bot lobbies.

@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778

2 ай бұрын

Also the reason they wonder why gaming is dying, is because they are way too full of themselves to actually humble themselves and understand that they are wrong about things. they think they are right about everything and think the people they make products for are idiots. This is why we have yellow paint on everything in these modern games.

@SHDWPN

2 ай бұрын

If they kept it and let people just spew racial and stupid slurs all the time, nobody would even play the game.

@snakeeyesraw

2 ай бұрын

​@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778Virtue signaling? Get your incel nonsense out of here.

(angry Arbiter noises) I swear, there's ALWAYS some idiot hiding amongst people for whom we just can't have nice things. Trash talking is one thing (and I understand that not everyone is okay with it), but straight up abuse? Nope. I'm not buying it. Too much of something even with harmless intentions can also be bad for someone. WHEN will they learn?

I miss pre and post game trash talking and joining up or 1v1in

@FootedGhost

3 ай бұрын

Halo feels so sterile without it tbh. Even if we can't get proximity chat back, I'd love to see pre-post game lobbies return!

@jonny45k44

3 ай бұрын

​@@FootedGhostSterile is the perfect word to describe it

@thediam0nddrag0n78

2 ай бұрын

John Romaro, the original level designer for Doom, was fired because his co-workers found out he spent more time trash-talking people in deathmatch than he did doing his job

Me want proximity chat to talk to random people and make new friends cause my friends don’t play halo so I’m always alone 😔

@FootedGhost

3 ай бұрын

That was the beauty of proximity chat! It was so easy to make new mates just playing the game :)

I would love to have proximity chat, but it's not just the players and the games. It's also this entire generation as a whole. We live in an era where instead of chatting shit and laughing at one another,people will dox each other just because their feelings were hurt. Or if not they'll just ddos someone they don't like. Happened to me in gta and it's why I don't VC anymore

MAKE PROXIMITY CHAT GREAT AGAIN

@ronanbugber6266

3 ай бұрын

Amen brother, amen.

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. At least there should be an option to mute it.

If you can’t handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

@Sub2Cider

2 ай бұрын

Terrible take.

In eldewrito halo voice chat is finally back

Bring back all the social features from the past. Playing without them just makes the game feel so damn dry...

Footed Ghost: “I was a squeaker” Also Footed Ghost: *has a deeper voice than James Earl Jones*

it should be there in the next game, but with options to turn it off, or just mute a single person

In this day and age where people can still your voice using ai, its probably for the best.

It can be a vote system. If you get down voted or muted by a lot of people, you are automatically muted in your next matches for a day. Then 2 days if you get muted again, and so on accumulating days of mute if you keep being an ass or playing crap music off a bad mic.

It should never return. The clip from Twitter that you couldn’t show is utterly abhorrent and disgusting. Unfortunately, people can’t be trusted with it in matchmaking PvP multiplayer games.

@massid3774

2 ай бұрын

They shouldn’t remove something everyone loves just because a few people get offended

@mustycrusty754

2 ай бұрын

Omg he said mean terrible things online I'm going to DIE OHHHH NOOOOO get over it man this new generation is so fragile the mute and ban button is right there record and report the person that's all what's the big deal I heard way worse now everyone needs to be punished like we're not grown ass people paying for a product

-literal abuse -"ppl have gone too soft nowadays smh"

@JulianY2K12

2 ай бұрын

If you consider it abuse for some rando to shit talk you online then you might actually be a pussy of the highest calibre

Even VC is off by default which is wild

I realize it's a bit of hot take but I don't really miss the pre and post game lobbies because of how toxic they always are. 90% of the time its just people being obnoxious or toxic, and only very rarely do you meet someone that's chill or worth talking to. I usually just use party chat with friends or no mic anyway

@YoDzOnHalo

3 ай бұрын

Most of my friends list on Xbox is people I met in pregame and postgame lobbies in old cod and halo games. For me not having the lobbies and voice chat off by default make it I might as well play against bots.

To be real, the Halo community has always been toxic. Had a dude tell me he knew I was black because my nostrils sounded big. HILARIOUS, but not everyone has my warped sense of humor. I mostly enjoyed proximity chat to be toxic to the other team. Good times, but times are a bit softer now.

We still have it in MCC it's great 20 years of getting more abuse from my teammates than the enemy so that shit never made sense to me

A combination of a few toggles in the settings menu could have fixed this. - VOICE CHAT RECEIVING: Toggles whether you hear team-wide voice chat - VOICE CHAT SENDING: toggles whether you can send team-wide voice chat. Maybe also allows you to pick push to talk versus automatic - PROX CHAT RECEIVING: Toggles whether you to hear proximity voice chat around you - PROX CHAT SENDING: Toggles whether your voice chat is sent in proximity too (there could also be a separate button for this than team-wide or lobby-wide voice chat) If team-wide voice chat is enabled by default while proximity chat is off by default but available in the settings, players who seek it out can still turn it on, but will learn it isn’t always reliable for vital communications since not everyone has it on, so I think the trash talk would stay in PROX while important callouts would go in team chat.

So, instead of working out a solution they just removed the feature all together. Throwing out the baby with the bath water.

I have always and will continue to despise [redacted] and the power they hold over the free man.

it’s absolutely bonkers to me that pre and post game lobbies never came to infinite

@FootedGhost

3 ай бұрын

Still crazy to think about man, I swear if we don't get it in the next Halo we're throwing hands

Yeah I know it’s like a 360 era niche thing that people fondly remember from the early Xbox days. The Internet back then used to be so wild and raw that nobody cared about your feelings, probably still don’t today. Remember the MW2 lobbies? They were insane and filled with so much raunchy language. It’s crazy that big companies like Microsoft and Sony are playing it safe so they don’t get sued in a legal court case by such people. If there are some proximity chat games that I can recall there’s like TF2, RD2 Online, Chivalry, etc. so the other AA to AAA games that somewhat have that. I’m pretty sure I got shadowbanned on MW2 2022 for no reason and that’s fine because I’m not gonna play that game anymore lol Good video

It still had proximity chat in social. There's a video proving it on r/Halo. The whole post that got a lot of traction about this was just a big karma farming post by one of the r/Halo admins who locked the post when he saw that many people on the thread were just saying "The mute button exists."

If someone calling you a mean word on the internet upsets you then I don’t think you should be on the internet

@LiuGondor

2 ай бұрын

So if somebody has a pretty stressful life, where they're called racial or homophobic slurs and just wanna go home and unwind because halo is their favorite game but they get verbally abused on it too, it's their fault because they're too soft and they should stay out of it?

@sukmidri

2 ай бұрын

​@@LiuGondorYes

This is just sad

@FootedGhost

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, it really is. I hope we can see it return one day, not very likely though unfortunately

great video man

@FootedGhost

3 ай бұрын

Thanks bro!

There is nothing wrong with friendly banter and trash talking during games. Unfortunately, too many people take it way too far and ruin it for everyone else. You can smack talk without throwing personal attacks, bigotry, or slurs!

You can Bring it back, just put an option like have now in infinite to turn off Team chat in settings.

Halo Reach had proximity chat. That's where it ended.

I honestly couldn’t care less if Halo has proximity chat or not. My experience with voice chat in video games has always been just people being annoying and toxic, or that one guy who’s blasting mic feedback or garbled music into your ears the entire match. Maybe I was just in the wrong lobbies back in the day, but I’ve never once had a meaningful interaction in the voice chat of any video game except this one time in a Black Ops 1 Zombies lobby late at night where me and some random got pretty philosophical about the idea of snorting Kool-Aid powder. Aside front that one shining gem of an interaction, the best I’ve ever seen from VC is the occasional custom game invite or friend req, which we then never played together again, and even that was few and far between. Mostly my VC experience has been grating noise, or when I’m lucky, people having unrelated convos about irl stuff with the irl buddies in their party. So now, whenever I start a new multiplayer game and it has vc enabled by default, I always turn it off. The few times I have had to use it for objective games and so on where people are actually talking and have to coordinate, it’s always been dry and awkward. And of course, as the video mentioned, people online can’t fucking behave to save their lives. While I’m sure the comments of this video will be full of gamer hardasses bemoaning how folks who don’t want to be belittled and treated with prejudice for just trying to have fun like everyone else are sensitive crybabies and should turn it off, I honestly don’t care. It’s not like douchey, unkind behavior is even remotely uncommon on the internet, so if the devs thought removing it entirely was the way to go, more power to them. It’s a feature I never got much use out of and won’t mourn.

i like all the snow flakes in the comments pretending like chat was some great feature because 0.01% it led to something interesting. Voice chat was the Karrens, before we even knew what they were, hangout place. it was just an endless wave of just the biggest peaces of shit that had nothing of substance to say but the most infuriating complaining possible, but like all Karrens could not for the life of them selves shut up. It was cool idea held back by the people who wanted to use it the most were the ones who no one could stand to listen to in the first place.

Halo Infinite doesn't have proxy chat but we don't know the exact reason why it got removed. Reddit/Twitter is jumping to conclusion that 343/Microsoft remove it due to abuse, okay what about Gears 5 and Sea of Thieves? Just seems like fake news since the original post title was mentioning Halo 5/Infinite when the post was just talking about Halo 3....which proxy chat was still in the game until Reach

Yo ghost the Garfield movie is coming out this month you gonna see it

@FootedGhost

3 ай бұрын

_Interesting_

People are going to downplay this issue, but I'm honestly super glad proximity chat is gone. Guys don't experience even half the toxicity we do in games. I remember playing halo online when I was a little girl and even then when I was 11/12 I got rape threats for not being the best or not letting someone have a rocket launcher or sniper or whatever. Even now with so many of these features being removed from games I still get messages with threats of all kinds or people telling me "go back to the kitchen" like they're 14 year olds in 2009. Once in ESO I even had someone track down my fucking address after I simply asked them to stop spewing sexist and racist nonsense. This isn't just like a thing only a few people do either, most of the other women I know who play games also don't use mics or use a voice changer because it's like an every other match thing. It's ridiculous immature behaviour and until it stops (like never let's get real) things like proximity chat need to stay gone or be opt in and off by default.

@LiuGondor

2 ай бұрын

I agree, I ussualy stay away from using the mic altogether because I also have a strong accent and I don't want people to make fun of my accent when I'm jut trying to have fun.

@deadshota736

2 ай бұрын

You shouldn't have been playing halo if you're a sensitive little girl because halo was rated M for Mature back in the day smh

@williamgibson3862

2 ай бұрын

​@@deadshota736 And you just proved her point.

I know Reach didnt have it but im pretty sure Halo 3 had prox chat it was just push to talk you had to hit a dpad button to talk. Halo 3 also still had the pre and post match lobby chat which any OG Halo vet knows thats where the shit talk really went down lmao. I understand the decision but i do think with these games being rated M (hoping Halo goes back to M with new 343 in charge) and MS's new systems against abusive chat and rules in their TOS that maybe we can get back to pre and post game lobbies in the next game, those were part of what the games truly great. I know its a long shot but got that would go such a long way in making the next game feel classic

I’m not surprised

Never really used prox chat always ended up meeting good people and having a laugh in a party

sadly theres no way to monitor it theres too many factors now a day with the game mute system or people saying slurs

I imagine a similar line of thinking killed pre - and post game lobbies in combination with some analytical stuff. I imagine the best option would be to make prox chat optional and off by default, and if they turn it on, leave a disclaimer basically saying "warning you might hear some really messed up shit. Proceed at your own risk"

I'm pretty sure that in the settings for MCC, prox chat is an option for the different available voice channels. But again, just like Halo 3, this is not default.

I do miss the social features of past halo gomes. I remember in halo reach a group of guys with thick Indian accents started yelling at me for no reason. It was hallirous and bizzare.

Wait... are you saying that people playing a competitive multiplayer game are sometimes toxic? I'm absolutely shocked.

@FootedGhost

3 ай бұрын

Who knew right? 😅 I still think a mute function, as well as an opt-in button would be more than enough to stop things like this from happening. We also need a good reporting tool, the one in Infinite is pretty useless.

@chairmanofthebored6860

3 ай бұрын

@@FootedGhost reporting is useless in most games, but adding a mute function seems like a pretty easy fix. I like getting called racial slurs by preteens as much as the next guy but I don't always want to hear their voice crack halfway through.

@Sub2Cider

2 ай бұрын

​@@FootedGhost that has never worked ever. Ppl will go beyond the game to continue to harass people. Especially women.

@pilot778spartan3

2 ай бұрын

@@chairmanofthebored6860ain’t that the truth

Prox chat and game chat are almost completely dead on Xbox due to the party system you load up with your friends before you start the game and join a party

Most online experiences I’ve had has been with incredibly degenerate and toxic people. I really feel like back in the day gaming was just an outlet for people with no class to act out simply because there were no consequences. While I personally don’t care to interact with many other gamers as a result of this, I still believe proximity chat should be optional for those who want to use it. If some people like myself don’t care for it, we can just turn it off, everyone wins. 343 and most game devs in general these day have got to stop removing features

Its alwats cracked me in games that have it, when you kill someone to see how mad they get lol.

Just make it a setting you can toggle and have a warning before you turn it on or something. And add a mute button

Simple fix; make it an Opt In feature, rather than Opt Out. If proximity, and other voice chats, are off by default then there are no issues. If you have to physically turn on the feature, then you do so at your own risk. You could even have an obligatory little pop up saying “people are mean and we take no responsibility”.

A bunch of snowflakes who can't handle people saying mean things 😂 I remember playing Halo at 10 years old getting called every word in the book and just laughing my butt off

"Wait, Halo players are toxic?" "Always have been."

bring it back, what is the problem here if you don't like someone mute them, your're welcom

The world always needs to restrict opportunities to prevent people to abuse…

Im sure proximity chat was in halo reach. Particularly the invasion game mode matchmaking. Or im just completely misremembering

I’m on the developers side, no one should ever have to go through this, I’m glad that they made the right choice!

If there are no Real World consequences for abusing others, it will keep happening. We have Tons of modded maps etc in Infinite, can one make a realtime Penalty Box similar to what Halo CE had, if you betray you either get kicked or your respawn time gets longer for each time it registers, but make it so other Player's Down Votes affect the Kick or Respawn Time of the Offender. Allow the Players to self Police from inside each game themselves instead of hoping the server or 343 does something that they have proven they never will do. It worked in CE, why not here ?

I'm confused on how proximity mic is more abusable than open mic. Is it literally just a slower time frame to get automuted cause of reports? (from less people hearing insane bs at a time)

i was never abused on voice chat

YES. 343i shouldn't treat us like children. Disable the offenders, NOT the whole community. Proximity chat should have a shut off by each player.

Sea of Thieves has proximity chat and it's fine. You can just mute and turn off chat if it gets bad. Microsoft has proximity chat in at least one of their games.

It's sad the whole reason proximity voice chat was cut but its abuse is a thing that happens and you can't stop it not everyone is made the same

Halo 3 had proximity chat though…

It would be ideal if they tried to make it how CoD’s is. I believe they have a system in place, with AI, that the second someone says something awful (and I mean like AWFUL, racial slurs, etc.) they are immediately chat banned. They still technically can play, but no one can hear them. I think you can still chat with them, but you have to manually unmute them. That would be ideal for Halo.

Put the option to mute proximity chat front and center, not like 343 did in halo infinite where if I want to mute someone on my team I have to enter two menus. That game UI sucks

Before we think about proximity chat lets at least wait for pre/post game lobbies first.

I think the best option would be when someone starts to play a MP game for the first time (not just Halo, but any online game), be UPFRONT about prox chat, explaining it, and getting the option to opt in/out. Of course , have the option to change it later. And still of course have measures to ban the REALLY toxic shit.

That era of game chat went beyond just mean words. People need to stop acting like they don't remember how crazy it was. It was very common to hear rape threats and racial slurs. Don't get me started about if they heard woman in the chat. This is on top of most players not even using it. The developers most likely saw that it wasn't even popular enough to risk the embarrassment of people posting clips of the vulgarity and some news outlet running with it. Even now in Infinite, it seems like the only people with mics on are the assholes. Maybe if Halo ever gets back to those heights they can consider adding more voice chat features again, but considering Infinite didn't even launch with a Slayer playlist, they have way more important things to figure out within 343 (and xbox) 1st.

There's still quite a few competitive games that have proximity chat though, that have much more toxic fanbases. Also in just lobby/team chat, I'm sorry to say, slurs, racism, and sexism ran rampant anyway. Proximity chat didn't change that at all. It just made more people do it. Removing proximity chat just seems like a non-answer to the problem. The lobby system being removed is its own issue, but still. I know my GF still gets messages from toxic players, and that sucks. But we both know it is a human issue.

Theres in game voice chat reporting now, so they need to readd it back... No excuses. an change the rating from T for teen to M for Mature

On one hand, I get it- I've been harassed irl, it sucks when you get on a game to relax and get harassed there too. *That being said*, I think it should be an option in the menu that's off by default unless you turn it on. If it worked in Halo 3 it could work in Infinite

Bring it back, don’t use a mic if you’re worried about trash talk / abuse. 95% of people don’t care. Proximity chat and pre and post game lobby chat are great.

Maybe if you got blocked/muted/reported by enough people then your mic would be cut permanently. Have AI monitored voice chat which auto bans?

Keep it, have it be a toggleable global setting, have it be OFF be default, easy solution.

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Ever heard of the mute button? Or turning off proximity chat in settings? Still not an excuse for not having it.

the reason why proximity chat is good in lethal company is because 90% of the time, your playing with your friends. and the other 10% of the time, your alone. and away from your friends. in a multiplayer game it sucks like halo.

should never have been removed, it may be annoying to toggle it off for certain games if you dont want to hear them but disabling this feature, just so some ppl wouldnt have to mute their chat in games is not the biggest value decision

I will never forget the last Halo 2 game i played someone on my team was calling everyone the N word because we were losing and the dude had the most deaths in the game.

I hope 343 can bring it back with the next Halo, along with better reporting.

@Carpediem357

3 ай бұрын

Reporting in games suck nowadays. Not just a 343 thing

Halo players trying not to say slurs challenge impossible

I miss democracy

Just because people fee fees got hurt now every one needs to be treated like children even though were grown adults WHO PAID FOR THE GAME stop punishment people for something the mute and band button does

Did we forget about mute options?

Having it as some sort of option would be the best move, but I doubt they'll do it. It could just be a toggle in the settings and then that would be it. I can't stand people who take a game too seriously, can't stop cussing or using racial slurs. There are some amazingly immature people out there, but you can't laugh and smile like you once did without having some sort of chat on. Sadly, I'll go multiple rounds and no one will even say a word anymore. The good days of hilarious lobbies and fun trash talk are gone. It's a tough pill to swallow for everyone.

rated M games should have no restrictions because everyone playing them need to at least act like adults

Main problem is no major publisher wants to have to deal with the media impact, lawsuits, government bodies interfering and concerns from shareholders when it comes to proximity chat in games

Def not knocking you for making this video but I’ve always believed that this was common knowledge. I was around for the Halo 2 and Modern Warfare lobbies, I’ve lived through this cultural shift to being way more nurturing of peoples’ feelings, so I’m not at all surprised that large corporations would be afraid of someone getting their feelings hurt. More importantly devastating for them would be the following PR nightmare blaming their game and their platform for hate speech and fostering an unsafe environment. I miss the violent shitstorm of unfiltered proximity/ lobby chat but I guess it’s a thing of the past now

Oh noes, mean words 😱😭

Lol I love the gaslighting of them blaming us when they really just are too lazy and incompetent to add the feature in

the fault is more on those snowflakes that gets panic attacks when someone swears at them and not people who where saying those "BaD wOrDs"

I guess im not too opinionated on it since not many people use mics anymore. But in general most games get populated by toxic people and try-hards after the game isnt new anymore and the casual gamers move onto other games

I’m a veteran in the military

Even Battlefield got called out for this fucking bullshit

Wiy cant they just say be a man. Unless somone has a gravhammer at spawn in husky raid

It’s always the two fringes that ruin everything for the normal people. In this case it’s the few bad actors, and the people who have thinner skin than rice-paper. On a second note, an opt out/opt in toggle would did wonders.

The softest generation ever. If you can’t handle people talking shit on video games, don’t participate. Or just mute.