We have been saying that for 100 years. You don’t think the 70’s were scary. The older you get the more you realize it’s the same story over and over.

@marcblank3036

Ай бұрын

Perhaps the issues are just getting more amplified and extreme as it is harder to grab the attention of each younger generation?

@Kraftpunk1983vc

Ай бұрын

@@marcblank3036or maybe just the internet and social media make it seem that way.

@alineharam

Ай бұрын

Mr Yates. I think you are correct.

@marcblank3036

Ай бұрын

@@Kraftpunk1983vc it is the puppetering by the elite from those platforms made easy by disinterested and poorly educated masses

@GODofStoics

Ай бұрын

Go to Zion and ask about what will happen next

I want a panel discussion - James clear , markmanson , Ryan holiday , cal newport In one podcast

@mattduncan3871

Ай бұрын

Take all of my money

@dyosangkagubatan4715

29 күн бұрын

and Robert Greene

@mariolongtin8271

26 күн бұрын

This would be legendary!

“Oh no! I used almond milk in my coffee, even though i knew about the negative environmental impact.” -Chidi

@moneyfornothing3264

Ай бұрын

Shame on you!

@artjunx

17 күн бұрын

Great "Good Place" reference.

do we not always live in the best of times and the worst of times?

This cast was like brain floss for me. Thank you so much ❤ I wish more folks would engage so earnestly!

Everything is fucked because the post-pandemic world is completely devoided of basic manners, respect and common sense. It's a goddamn jungle out there in terms of values and socialization, it's impossible to figure out what each individual you run across everyday stands for. Truly barbaric times lie upon us as of 2024. That's why Stoicism is more important than ever nowadays: courage balanced with peace of mind are the true sword and shield we need today, to face the neverending colisseum we gotta enter in and perform at everyday.

@elflakeador09

Ай бұрын

Greed is the biggest cause of everything that's wrong in society

@GODofStoics

Ай бұрын

Absolutly

@azmrl

Ай бұрын

It’s post trump, not post pandemic.

@ajonetto

Ай бұрын

@@azmrl don't be an ass, this is a worldwide phenomenon. Not everything revolves around the US nor politics only.

@GODofStoics

Ай бұрын

@@azmrl you can be truth, but we’ll try put politics away of this discussion. Remember.. leave toxicity. Politicians are the cancer of society nowadays. Don’t let then make you front a friend.

I PRAY to GOD!!! PLEASE! Only ONCE in my Life to have such marvelous great Problems! Just Once! What a wonderful Life this would be...

For those who focus on the word "like", and take issue with the way Ryan talks, perhaps pay closer attention to the message

I never realised how many times Ryan says "like". Now I can't unhear it.

@siyabongahopewell731

Ай бұрын

So is that a good or bad thing?

@xeftones

Ай бұрын

Bad and lazy. Especially didn't expect it from him. Sounds like a 20 year old girl from cali.

@trickster1030

Ай бұрын

but like

@carmenlatham4136

Ай бұрын

I noticed that too.He needs to work on that

@GODofStoics

Ай бұрын

@@xeftones hahahaha that's bad?

Awesome conversation, thanks guys.

Thank You both for not solving anything. I was trying very hard to solve some of these things without any success. I´m taking the zen approach to stay somewhat sane.😆

I enjoyed this episode. Ignore the haters. You can only boo from the sidelines.

@artjunx

17 күн бұрын

Agreed. Great conversation. Does listen to the haters. Truly inspired ❤

Thank you .. thank you .. thank you. I’m so grateful that you guys see it. Thank you thank you .. thank you again. This was scary

I just recently started watching these two’s videos and now, boom collab. Funny that

Great discussion

Thanks.

So true how often Ryan says 'like', surprised he hasn't looked at this

Love the selection of guests so far, this one was one of the best imo, the setup is nice too

Great video

Thank you thank you thank you thank you

@GODofStoics

Ай бұрын

thankthankthank

The categorical imperative just depends on how narrowly you define the act being questioned. Is the act “lying” or is it “lying to save someone’s life?” When someone lies they are also speaking, breathing, existing. Thus, the categorical imperative is not an actual useful measurement for social behavior or morality.

@carmenlatham4136

Ай бұрын

Yes well said and narrowly defining to fit a narrative. Its judge mental

Just read Mark’s new book and it’s a smasher! 10/10

Love your podcast Definirely need some outros

23:00 MIND BLOWN

Embrace the paradox - thank you I needed to hear this today! Also, for both of you, I would listen to a long form conversation between one of you and Peterson, or someone else that you seem to strongly disagree with.

I’m so glad Ryan addressed Jordan Peterson! He changed so much. I liked him much better before he started getting into politics

Great dialogue, discussion, diatribe, and discourse to start the day!!

Like like a like. Real stoic

The talk was in overall very interesting, but when Jorden Peterson was harshly criticized for his latest political talks I could not continue watching. Peterson is a wise man who says very brave things, and he talks from his vast experience. He actually has a pretty unique view as an academic, and it is refreshing.

Thank you, gentlemen. Such a fun ride! I appreciate you inviting us in to listen in on such intriguing questions and points. I hope to see you guys collaborate again soon. All the best!

I get 1 stoicism every time Ryan says "[person] once said..."

I hear your overall point about people expecting everything about other humans ti balance perfectly, BUT people ask YOU specifically to square 48 Laws of Power and being friends with Robert Greene because you constantly work with and promote him and basically everything his book says and he represents runs directly contrary to everything you say and teach. They aren’t randomly or u fairly asking you and it’s disappointing that you just handwave it away so easily/carelessly. You SHOULD answer that question.

What kind of camera are you using it looks great

Is Ryan wearing an MXPX jacket?

59:01 Mark is a savage for bringing up the Stacy Abrams episode right to Ryan's face.

Big fan/subscriber of both. 7 mins into this and my gut tells me we're not going to reference the inherent privilege of bemusing about morality and identifying injustice as some form of "chaos theory" instead of the primary measure for everything or worse, the cover for it. Listening to the end now in hopes of being totally wrong....

Be good? Lol! I am trying hard not to be a serial killer!

Moral philosophy offers a lot of paradoxes but I think that's primarily due to the wrong perspective or framework that people use, particularly one where it's focused on singular outcomes instead of many outcomes over longer durations of time. Many paradoxes can be resolved if you take a much longer view with many outcomes. Much like poker, gambling in general, being successful at work, getting good at anything, etc. All of these require a focus on process and not any individual outcome because any individual outcome is irrelevant. Failure is expected and to assume a single or several failures are proof your process is wrong, could be true and it's important be wary of that, but if you're process has thousands or millions of data points, you can be confident you will be successful over the long run. So back to moral philosophy. There are fundamental and foundational values that if applied over a long enough duration of time, will be far more successful than all other values. This may also be why religious traditions tend to throw around the word faith a lot. I think what they're really trying to say is just trust the process and stop questioning it even though you're inundated with failure.

The misunderstanding and mischaracterization of the IDW guys is wild. Bret Weinstein is an evolutionary biologist talking about biology, and Jordan Peterson has been talking about religious themes for decades. And Peterson actively includes himself in the list of people who need to straighten themselves up and clean their room.

@myworldofsand

19 күн бұрын

Yeah that was a sad display of Ryan talking out of his ass

So if doing good it's not rewarded and harder don't you think there's could be a better believe system than that??

Read Albert Pikes letter to Mazzini

He may be a little more academic than the usual guests, but would love to see John Vervaeke on here if at all possible.

the only just society is one where there is an equitable distribution of wealth. The last time it happened was during the hunter-gatherer era.

@elflakeador09

Ай бұрын

Very true. I guarantee you those people had far less worries too.

Weird ending

The comments about the trolley problem are interesting because, possibly for the first time, they are no longer unrealistic thought experiments. With the advent of autonomous vehicles, they are precisely the decisions that are being programmed into machines that have the ability to kill people.

@markoates9057

Ай бұрын

I think it will end up being, in a split, save the person in the car. I only say that because nobody's gonna buy the car with the protocol that sacrifices the driver/rider. At least until there are formal regulations, like maybe a randomizer lol.

@Paul-ny8xe

29 күн бұрын

@@markoates9057 I agree that manufacturers will default to protecting the people in the car, which is why regulators will need to step in to enforce a more ethical decision making process, which in most cases would be that the people in the car are sacrificed.

Reductio ad absurdum

30:54 I couldn't agree more. The woke movement, extreme activism, mental health issues, LGBTQ+ rights, pronoun usage, Greta Thunberg, climate issues, the feminist movement, and anti-colonialism are morally good ideas, but their implementation is absolutely out of control and awful. It's like moral outrage with empty calories where the drama is created out of nothing. We all suffer, but no, they all claim they suffer more. Somehow, they see themselves as the exception. Thus, the Olympic Games for victims are created: 'My misfortune is worse than your misfortune, so give me the gold medal!' As well as an online culture where the victim role creates status.

@Q-154

Ай бұрын

It’s sad. Today, it seems like if you’re successful, in life, school or business, or you do well for yourself and make alot of money, you gotta hide that. Instead of being proud of you, or inspired by your success, you’re villainized, and people want to bring you down. If you’re the victim, everyone praises how brave you are. And I’m saying this in regards to the more over the top ways. If you’re a true victim of something, then yes, you should be supported, 100%. But if someone accidentally misgenders you, or says your name wrong, that persons social life shouldn’t be ended.

@keithode1737

Ай бұрын

​​​@@Q-154 This attitude comes from people such as myself who have busted their butt for years or decades, played by the rules, was a good boy, tried their hardest just to have another person or group of people systematically destroy for personal/selfish reasons. And I know what Mark Manson would tell me, "take responsibility, accept what you can't change, blah blah blah." I'm so HAPPY people like Mark and other wealthy/happy/successful people have it all figured out and that their hard work paid off. That isn't feasible for most people. Most people are miserable while struggling and are one day away from destitution or suicide. So yes, in a society of poor, suffering people the well off/ happy/ successful people should stay out of sight and keep to their happy selves.

@jimbrennan6634

Ай бұрын

This is also a sociological norm. In some ways, sociology is psychology playing out en masse. The psychology of trauma suggests that the needle often moves beyond the center before it returns to a more practical ( or reasonable, fair, insert your word of choice) place. But the 'moral outrage' is often an inherent part of the process. We live in single lifetimes, and these things often play out for a portion of those lifetimes. When we look back at the arc of history we can see things with a different perspective. I was an adult when Ellen's sitcom was cancelled for her coming out. I was a teenager when (in NYC, not the deep south somewhere) my neighbors gathered together to burn down a house to keep a black family from moving in. I have a son with a disability, and we deal almost daily with the injustices and inequalities that society visits on that community. I do see the same self-victimization, and over identification that you do - and I agree that social media is leveraged to make it worse. I'm not suggesting it's not there. I just think it is part of a longer process. Realization often needs time for integration. Wounds need time to heal. Our societal self awareness is running in parallel to our individual self awareness in a way it has never been able to before.

@Q-154

Ай бұрын

@@jimbrennan6634 I’m curious, around what year was this and what ended up happening with the house burning?

@Q-154

Ай бұрын

@@keithode1737 I’m sorry you feel that way. Hopefully you can change your outlook someday. Can’t say much more because I don’t have exact specifics of what you did or didn’t do, but I can understand the sentiment.

2:14 my man, whatchu mean you hate philosophy? you write about stoicism and about being virtuous. I'd be interested on reading a book from Ryan Holiday focusing on the moral side of stoicism

Im a big fan of both of you. Subbed to various social medias, got your books etc. Im sad to see you take a bashing on Peterson. No doubt im biased because he is the one out of all philosophers/thinkers/speakers/authors whatever u wanna tag him as, that has helped me with life the most. I feel some of your jealousy comes up when speaking badly about him. I think what bothered me the most is that you kinda stray away from your own philosophical talks and advice, when complaining about other people. Especially someone as Peterson, who has helped millions of people. "Dont be overheard complaining, not even to yourself" - "focus on what you control" So while i think both this and the talk on Marks podcast has alot of great subjects. The fact that you felt the need to bash a brilliant, genuine person, that (as far as i know) you know nothing of personal, other than the fact, that i know he talked well about Marks blue book, is sad to see/hear. - In my opinion, 12 rules for life is the best modern selfhelp/philosophy book out there and the work and talks he has had and still have to this game, are uniquely brilliant. Wether about politic, society, psychology etc.

@krisray8096

18 күн бұрын

my thoughts exactly..i for sure think less of these guys now after that petty bashing. definitely strayed away from what they preach and showed their true colors.

Would love to have Jordan Peterson on the podcast and see what you guys can sparse out together, Ryan. You judged him rather harshly here, but I think you two would have a fruitful debate similar to, if not even better than, the debate he had with Sam Harris.

@azmrl

Ай бұрын

Gross.

@carmenlatham4136

Ай бұрын

I agree! He is judging Jordan Peterson. I thought stoics didn’t do that

Interesting podcast. I do disagree with you on the topics of evil - I think the world is neither good nor bad. It just is. Otherwise you could call the whole universe - not just the planet Earth or humans - an extremely evil, hostile environment where stuff gets ruthlessly swallowed, destroyed or erased, no questions asked, forming something new in the process. Which essentially is happening. Humans are just a teeny tiny part of the same universe, doing the same thing with their lives. There is no evil, nor good, there's only destruction and creation. How much will you take part of it is up to you and your upbringing. People have to build better lives for themselves and those around them. So kindness and empathy are and should be the virtues, but they are not the cosmic or divine norms.

@urban_phantom7750

13 күн бұрын

To assume that evil doesn't exist is to pretend that good is irrelevant. Act as if you cannot afford to assume anything, including making absolute statements. If you don't believe in evil, then perhaps you have simply not suffered enough to recognize it through choices that inflict unnecessary pain and injury upon others.

@maboleth

13 күн бұрын

@@urban_phantom7750 Absolution is exactly seeing good and bad, black and white, like there's some surgical precision between those two. You don't have a clue what I have suffered in my life, so please, if anything, stop making blind judgments based on your projections.

@urban_phantom7750

13 күн бұрын

@@maboleth : Suit yourself, but don't waste my time with your absolute statements about anything, and then expect to be taken seriously. If you don't believe in Evil, go visit the front line of Ukraine, or spend time in Gaza. It's not an act of nature killing people, it's a choice to be cruel and destructive or kind and compassionate that is made by human beings. We are agents of good or evil relative to those who are impacted by virtue of our decisions.

First

You say like a million times. Like to many times

Didn't expect the Peterson bashing. Felt like it was in bad taste. Ryan has too high an opinion of himself, and it shows in the later books.

Such hot air egotistical bs. Like like like really man

really petty to be shitting on Jordan P and his ideas because he doesn't align politically with Mark & Ryan. both of you are above that (or at least you claim to be)

Very likely isnt, 3 words which will make me unsubscribe immediately lol byeeee

I can't stand Mark Manson. He's nothing but a good wishes, hopes and prayers kitten farts and sunshine kinda guy. He's a joke.

They described Obama. He did nothing but have pretty speeches. FYI I'm not even being political, it's facts.

Are you really coming after Peterson? And I assume joe rogan, and the weinstein brothers, and many others. You sound jealous and bitter. Furthermore, you say its a messiah complex? Wooooow. Me thinks ye doth protest to much. Especially when we both know you would get on your knees to get on Jordan's and Joe's podcast when your new book comes out. This isn't about jordan being right or wrong, or free of criticism, this is based supremely on ideology and political separation. Not even gonna argue, the fact you mention "sam" as being the one who holds it all together tells you everything. Good luck, I wish you continued success, but I will no longer be consuming your content.

@myworldofsand

19 күн бұрын

Yeah, that's a bad look for Ryan

Second part of the best crossover. Let's get it!

@j.davila4523

28 күн бұрын

Getcha some dopa