ITS A MONSTER IF IT BURNS YOUR NUTS. ITS A DUCATI IF IT DOESN'T START

@r6mt09

3 жыл бұрын

@@capngeo2002 or more like lie about their performance and reliability. lol try to keep up.

@ilmostro16

3 жыл бұрын

LOL, I’ve owned 4 Ducatis in the past 6 years and have had zero problems with any and they always start. But some of them do get hot, true.

@ilmostro16

3 жыл бұрын

@@r6mt09 You’ve never watched WSBK I guess. 🤣

@r6mt09

3 жыл бұрын

@@capngeo2002 i bet you don't even have a bike. lol

@r6mt09

3 жыл бұрын

@@ilmostro16 yea i do. thats why ducati or any euro trash bikes never win LMFAO

As a 2004 monster owner, and owning it since new, I might be tempted in updating.The thing I would say to all the nah sayers is, if ducati doesn’t move forward they will end up being the Italian version of Harley Davidson, and no one wants that.

@markharrison2484

3 жыл бұрын

Well they’ve dropped desmo valves and belts on the Multi V4 so thats a start.

@dddwevlin

3 жыл бұрын

Well said!

@jbird330

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm I’m not sure about that....

@ampm9771

3 жыл бұрын

Not even remotely similar. Ducati has always been at the forefront of design and innovation. Ducati makes bikes like Diavel, Monster, Multistrada, Panigale, Scrambler... Harley only makes choppers.

@donaldelder5834

3 жыл бұрын

@@ampm9771 read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.

Even the '90s Monsters look beautiful, when seen even today out on the streets. I doubt this will be the case with the new Monster after a decade - and it's not just the frame.

@MechAdv

Жыл бұрын

People were complaining that they looked outdated in the ‘00s. However, my red/white S2R1000 was the most beautiful bike I ever owned, and the one that got the most compliments whenever it was ridden. Damn shame my local dealership Grenaded the engine, refused to fix it, and eventually the bike was sold off for parts.

“Almost as sharp, as a scalpel”....this guy 😆

"wow it's a new brutale " that was my first impression when i saw that video hahaha

@rlsedition

3 жыл бұрын

That's a compliment.

@BravoZeroSeven07

3 жыл бұрын

SAME HAHA!!

@almiskymuhammadrafi9937

3 жыл бұрын

OML SAME HAHAHA

@Heavywall70

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine my relief when I realized MV had not actually created this eyesore

@rlsedition

3 жыл бұрын

@@Heavywall70 Except the new Monster is not an "eyesore"; not at all.

I'm so glad I bought the last good looking Monster (2020 1200s).

The vast majority of riders love their bike just by looking at it even when it’s standing still. Aesthetics is an integral part of owning a bike that as years passed has become classic. So yes, it may be a better bike but they could give it a pointed headlight and name it Streetfighter 900. Disrupting a cult family of bikes like the Monster was a wrong move.

You guys here are not passionate Ducatisti. So it is expected to like the new Monster. It is an excellent bike. Fantastic in any way. But it is not a Monster. The Monster is the Ducati with the biggest fans. And we are all disappointed. We, the monsteristi, love the trellis frame. It is the most recognizable characteristic of our bikes. We, the Ducatisti, want the trellis frame. I have never bought bike other than Monster. And I never will. You see, the problem is, I will never want to buy this bike. All the Ducatisti I know, and I know a lot, can't even look at the new Monster. Excellent bike, but there are many other excellent bikes out there. It is not unique. Not recognizable. Not the Ducati we love. It is a Ducati for a lot of people, but not for Ducatisti.

trellis frame NEEDS to come back.

It’s beautiful, technically advanced and don’t forget that the monster created the whole naked bike category from scratch

@pecheuranglais5469

2 жыл бұрын

I love Monsters, but should politely remind you that "back in the day" nearly all bikes were naked.

@gmer16402

2 жыл бұрын

@@pecheuranglais5469 fair point

Don’t like the look; looks like a Japanese MV, now ... but they had to lighten it ... Doesn’t interest me, tho’

I don't like this monster. The trellis frame was more macho and masculine and really typically monster. Sorry to say that. 🤔

I really like it. I think Ducati had to move forward with the Monster. This is a bike that would tempt me to move away from my more retro Scrambler.

@luckypenguin5372

2 жыл бұрын

@Ben Daulton huh?

MONSTER isn't only skin deep, but also what's inside. My ex is a Model, but trust me, pure MONSTER inside.

@marcoscastillomusic

3 жыл бұрын

LMAOOO

ill prefer the 821, i think is muscular, monsters dont need makeup

@yournemesis2454

3 жыл бұрын

Same. They could have added a faux frame( made of very light weight pipes) on either side just for the aesthetics. The monster has always been about the trellis frame design

@DS-nw4eq

3 жыл бұрын

@@yournemesis2454 if they’re going to put a fake trellis frame on it, I’d prefer they made it look like a dinosaur... like a T. rex doing 80 down the highway.

it looks cheap for sure.

@paigemaystadt5497

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao 🙄

@G1lgamesj

3 жыл бұрын

It's basically a honda cb1000 with Ducati written on it...

@carlitoxb110

3 жыл бұрын

You haven’t even seen it on the flesh

im willing to bet that 99,9% of the negative comments about the trellis frame come from people that dont have a monster because it wasnt a great bike vs the competition. If you want a red trellis frame so bad get a red one painted on :)

When KTM 890 and MV Agusta brutale mate😂

@willfischer4767

3 жыл бұрын

I’m thinking more of the MV Agusta Dragster mate

@midhungopan9270

3 жыл бұрын

@@willfischer4767 yes i meant the brutale dragster too

@willfischer4767

3 жыл бұрын

@@midhungopan9270 They all sound incredible so who cares

@Antimortem

3 жыл бұрын

@Ben Daulton what's wrong with riding all the time? Its way better than looking at a bike all the time , bikes were meant to be ridden, not looked at?

@martykasa7864

3 жыл бұрын

@@Antimortem lol, they why different colors ?

They should have called it a baby Street fighter, and stuck with the Monster line.

For me is like an evolution of a Yamaha MT designed by Ducati. A real MT-onster.

The only thing I'd change, for it to be absolutely perfect, is the swingarm for the single sided one and the placement of the exhaust (one on either side like the old monster) other than that I think it looks amazing.

I'm a fan of Ducati always thinking of us with a shorter stature.

Congratulations Ducati! You made a 2004 Buell.

@DesertDuc

3 жыл бұрын

Hardly. Not until they put the fuel in the frame, lol.

@lazios

3 жыл бұрын

Tait Jones It's a Buell also... ok, so a Buell, Brutale, MT... other?

@SquireSCA

3 жыл бұрын

How many bikes did Buell sell last year? Oh.... Right...

@Heavywall70

3 жыл бұрын

@@SquireSCA You’re illustrating the whole point.

@SquireSCA

3 жыл бұрын

@@Heavywall70 Ducati sales are up. Hell, for 2017, they were the top selling superbike, in the world. They had 25% of that market, globally. 1 out of every 4 superbikes sold, was a Panigale. In that segment, they outsold all of the Japanese brands... Buell... not so much...

Had a 696 and 821, this new monster is dope and i feel like it's a great step forward into the new decade of motorcycles. Everyone complaining about the trellis frame is just stuck on nostalgia. Technology improves and so they find their way into modern machines. I give it to ducati bold move and keeps them from making HD mistake of not being able to break away from their past

@bborud

2 жыл бұрын

If you want technology you wouldn’t get a Monster. You’d get something from Japan. It will objectively be cheaper and better. But it would look like a Japanese bike. As does this bike. Which begs the question: why not get a better bike if you already like the styling?

@luckypenguin5372

2 жыл бұрын

@@bborud as much as sounds go, monster has em beat, looks as well the headlights are huge turnoffs with the mt and z900

@ddmytrenko

2 ай бұрын

LOL, how many HD-related comments here. Bots?

I think absence of a single sided swingarm makes a huge difference

@DucatiNYCVloggyVlogs

3 жыл бұрын

not all monsters have single sided swingarm anyway - mine doesnt.

@50yearsago57

3 жыл бұрын

@@DucatiNYCVloggyVlogs no what I meant was if 950 hypermotard got one, y not this?

I love the new look ,the 821 was just too heavy which made my decision easy to buy the Street triple R instead but I'm gonna seriously consider the new monster when I change next year.

@Basstl3r

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you’ll find them that Ducati is charging you more than Triumph for cheaper components. The Monster‘s is equipped like a bread and butter Streety but costs RS money. I’m a complete Ducati head, but I’m really looking forward to the new Speed Triple because Triumph is evolving their strength while Bologna/Ingolstadt are badge engineering the hell out of their model ranges.

@centralregionriders4069

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you should try lifting some weights if you think the 821 was heavy.

@yonniboy1

3 жыл бұрын

@@centralregionriders4069 I'm a powerlifter smartarse.

It's not a Monster anymore. It's a Hipster. They've killed the Monster.

At least the hyper 950 still has the trellis. Heck they added even more trellis since the hyper 939! 👌🏻

YES thank you!! People are so uptight about the ditched trellis frame. Yes it was beautiful but technology moves on. I've never heard of a 40 lbs weight loss across a single generation, let alone for an already pretty light bike. It no doubt has a gigantic impact on the dynamics. I absolutely love the new Monster, can't wait to see it in the flesh.

@paullazarro4295

Жыл бұрын

A lot of the weight reduction came from a lighter engine, wheels and alloy front section which could still be used with a lightened trellis frame.

Love the specs, not feeling the look, but likely a good decision by Ducati. However, Ducati's decision will likely affect my decision in considering a new Monster.

@G1lgamesj

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, same here I probably wait for a new Ducati neo classic model that's not a scrambler or buying a thruxton or nine t...

@kenloyd

3 жыл бұрын

@@G1lgamesj You'll be disappointed in the NineT; it's beautiful, probably the best looking bike I've owned; and it's "'perfect" in so many ways...that it doesn't have any soul, nothing to punch you in the gut and make you feel like you've got a wild one between your legs. I've also owned a Thruxton (900cc) and enjoyed it's light, nimble feel. The 1200 cc version has a little more torque that makes it fun. I had a 2018 Hyper and loved that bike; great visceral feel and performed well on long distance rides in "Touring" mode. I will likely buy another or find a used Monster 1220S.

@G1lgamesj

3 жыл бұрын

​@@kenloyd Damn... It's the thing that worried me the most with the nineT, beside of looking like the perfect bike, the engine sound is not all that great when you have driven a desmo before and spec wise It looks like a boring engine but like you say mechanical perfect in everyway. I went to see for a Thruxton R, the sound is very good, probably drives good aswell but the exterior design is so basic I find it boring, plain painting design (black or gray) and I don't like the big metal strap holder around the fueltank, also the lack of a mono arm. But It's probably the most true design to a retro cafe racer, except for the watercooler. And the scrambler series feels like a downgrade, maybe fun as entry bike or when I am 60 years old... Guess I have to wait for the next Ducati sport classic or alternatives sigh...

I like the new design. Trellis frames look dated now. That exhaust looks great for a stocker. 👍

@midhungopan9270

3 жыл бұрын

Well i can agree on that too, but that trellis frame was the identity of Ducati Monster

@everydaymaverick2166

3 жыл бұрын

@@midhungopan9270 would you rather Ducati be like Harley and be so stuck on heritage that they can never progress?

@midhungopan9270

3 жыл бұрын

@@everydaymaverick2166 definitely not,modern bikes like H2 and Duke series got trellis frame, does that look like stone age bikes like harleys.?, of course italians companies are meant for beauty i got your point too

@everydaymaverick2166

3 жыл бұрын

@@midhungopan9270 I’m just saying that for the bike to be a literal monster, I think it’s a step in the right direction.

A Ducati fan saying they don’t like change is like an ice cream fan saying they don’t like these new flavors. Ducati is cutting edge. Without cutting edge Ducati ceases to exist.

Very neat and intelligent design .This is the way forward for the monster. The only thing I wouldn't change would be the fuel tank and kept the wheelbase unchanged. Then again, they have to cater to the new riders. Still, I think this Monster is how a modern monster should be. Top quality components from A-Z that you get only from Ducati.

It looks pretty good to me. Apart from the headlight , does look very MT-09 ish. I prefer the new Monster's headlight to the MT-09s one. Maybe Ducati should have given it a different name, and just kept making a Euro 5 Monster for those who want the trellis frame. Triumph still make the quite heavy T120 for those who like that kind of thing !

Looks-wise it is a disaster. What is all that curled up black snake gobbledygook where the engine is supposed to be? Then, the rest of the styling is completely incohesive. The old one had a flavor and you either like it or you didn't. The new one is just a big mess with too many ideas gone wrong.

This release is vile. Won’t be replacing my 821 with this crap.

I dig it. That frame was iconic but...can’t be there forever !

Love the headlight.

Forget about the Italian and British bikes. Japanese very reliable and not expensive. You pay almost double for the Name, we are not here to question :"Who is who", we are here to ride the bikes!!!

No thanks. Was gonna buy a monster, but now that swartpillen is looking better.

This guy really knows how to get straight to the point, I knew nothing of the monster bikes and now I know what the hubub is about the new version. And he only took 8 minutes to hit all the detail nice job

I have a 2020 Diavel 1260 S. But I want to get one of these too. I like the new design. Although at 6'1" 215lbs, not sure if I'm too big for it.

5:18 get your facts correct,...no Panigale has ever had a trellis frame, every Panigale frame is cast

@taitjones6310

3 жыл бұрын

The V4 has a trellis frame, but other than that version, you are correct.

@1956colinb

3 жыл бұрын

@@taitjones6310 No, your wrong,..all Panigales have cast frames, including the V4, it uses the engine as a stressed member and also doubles up to house the air filter , do you own a Panigale? I suggest you go and have a good look under the petrol tank and you’ll clearly see it’s a cast frame 🤷🏻‍♂️!!

I own a Monster 2020, the last batch of 25 years of development...gonna keep it because I love how it rides and looks. The new monster is totally different but it also looks great and fresh, I’m gonna buy it too next year and enjoy the best of two worlds!

Let’s face it, time moves on, technology changes, I sat on it, but did not ride it. It immediately felt right and comfortable. Doesn’t hurt VW $$ is behind Ducati, can only help. For a fun, it’s an attainable Duc, I’ll have at it. I expect to be on one this coming year. Thank you Ducati, and great review ! JMO

They should’ve just made it a small capacity Street fighter and left the monster range going on the way it was.

RIP monster 🪦

Is it crazy that I wanted the Aluminium monocoque chassis painted in red as an homage to the monster trellis of yesteryear

@JohnSmith-ef8nr

3 жыл бұрын

That would have been so much better, red frames are awesome.

I WANT ONE! GORGEOUS! But. between the new Street Triple RS and this...I just don't know. Life is so hard sometimes!

@jeffmattoxjr.4136

3 жыл бұрын

I'm in the exact same situation!

@denblackie-superneoturbome9802

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffmattoxjr.4136 I have test driven the current Monster and the 2020 street triple RS , the Triumph is more fun to drive. If you can, test them out first !

@gtr161

3 жыл бұрын

I've come down on the side of the Speed Triple... bit more pricey, but approx 38 more HP and adjustable suspension... and NO desmo service...

@gus5949

3 жыл бұрын

Buy the Speed Triple, this so-called monster is horrible!!!

had a monster 15 yrs ago. this is the first edition to make me want another. kudos. cant wait to see a bigger displacement option as well.

I’ve owned the 2003 Monster as my first bike ever. Then a 2011 Monster. Then a 2008 Sport Classic and a 2009 GT1000. I LOVE Monsters. The frame is iconic. Sad to see it go. This bike looks cheap and doesn’t stand out to me. Maybe time will change my opinion, but that’s my first impression.

The previous version just had so much character! this one on the other hand in my opinion doesn't have the monster character, it would be better if they renamed it to Streetfighter V2

@Samuel-qe9lj

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly... this is the streetfighter V2

Modular production, the death of invidivality....

@stevenkelby2169

3 жыл бұрын

Who are you, John Britten?

@jbird330

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenkelby2169 I wish, minus the cancer....

@carlitoxb110

3 жыл бұрын

Modular production, the only way manufacturers can offer great products to an affordable price

Some people including me: -Wait until you see it in the flash. Me: -Let me get BMW F900R with fuel and wurst and don't forget the beer please.

Looks very nice. Sleek. Got to move with the times. Got to be open to change and progression or you just get left behind.. I am quite sure it will be a proper Ducati... Will be temperamental, expensive for parts, expensive to service, will break down, but at least it looks good.

Love my 2016 1200s this doesn't make me want to change.

Monster 1993 to 2020. RIP

everybody is getting lost in the nostalgia of past designs instead of embracing and appreciating the new and bold models in the bike and car world.

It’s great! As regards the styling, without the “Trellis” it still has the style, as with a lot of manufacturers, “If you don’t progress you finish up standing still”. This new Monster 👍👍👍

I liked it so much I called my Yamaha dealer and told them I didn’t want my MT-07 anymore and I managed to get all my money back. I think it blows them out of the water... maybe not in price but but on pretty much every other comparison! 😍😍😍

So people are only complaining about the looks. All they had to do was paint the aluminium frame red to mimic the look of the red trellis frame. A little bit of red to make it pop and enough people would be satisfied

I have loved the style of the Ducati Monster ever since I got into motorcycles. The Trellis really was eye-catching and distinctive. But the lightness and Panigale-ness of the front-frame is pretty awesome too. And now looking at the 20/21 Monsters next to each other, the Trellis does look a little dated.

@terrymims3350

2 жыл бұрын

I recently bought a 2019 821 in red (new). I wanted the 937, but I would need the lowering kit. And besides, my dealer is still waiting on more bikes? So the 821 is good for now. The 937 saved 40 lbs with the re-design, that's a lot!.But I agree with you; the 937 is the better bike!

I totally love it, really can’t understand why some people are moaning onwards and upwards for Ducati.

A year on and I’ve not seen a single one. I think that says it all! It’s really going to be interesting to see which direction they go to next.

@ddmytrenko

2 ай бұрын

Good point :)

I get excited every time motobob post a new video of a new bike. Been waiting for him to review the new Ducati Monster and now it’s here!

I’m so glad the MT-07 was available for Ducati to design their new Monster from. The tank and side profile are near copies. Oh, oh, but.....since the all time best and most versatile naked, the MT- still has a steel tubular frame, does that make the Yami more European than the Dumster?🤣 Probably not since the MT is 100% built in Japan. And we all know the difference between Japan bikes and European bikes- European bikes have built in GPS to their nearest service center.✌🏻

@carlosandleon

3 жыл бұрын

the tank lines come from the KTM imo

Even the exhaust looks good.

Now Its just Ducati , without "Monster".

It's time to move on from the trellis, it looks great, weight savings and more power. Nice work Ducati.

@rupertmittelstaedt4889

3 жыл бұрын

You nailed it! Looks great to me too.

Great video and some nice technical advices on the new Monster. But.... think I come into the die hard old school style of Ducati owner, because I love the look of the trellis frame and definitely will not be trading in my gorgeous 812 Stripe for one of these. But, each to their own, and maybe I'll come around to liking it in a couple of years.

Ah buddy, I can't bring myself to agree with you (though can't dispute any of the points you made) - I got into riding because I saw a Ducati Monster once when I was younger, it had a red frame and twin exhausts, I could see the engine and it made a racket that made me grin ear to ear. I bough my first Monster 2 years after getting my license but was surprised at how smooth the 796 was, the 821 seemed smoother still - it didn't have the 'rough and ready' character that I imagined it would. I feel like by chasing efficiencies they may be losing character - its the reason why as impressive as the Japanese roadsters are, I'm not drawn to them. It's the reason I didn't fall in love with the parallel twin in the 790 duke - I want my Monsters to be monstrous!

Ducati Knows what they do

Loved the trellis frame but progress is KING!

Thank you for mature analysis and opinion regarding design change. In general I don't like Ducati much, however I appreciate bold decision they made.

@the_hippykiller22

3 жыл бұрын

What's bold about that? It just makes it blend it even more in the production, looks like any other bike now and the character is also slowly disappearing.

@dizzicz

3 жыл бұрын

@@the_hippykiller22 15kg of weight has significant impact on acceleration. Even if one has bike just for posing, soon he will be frustrated that friends are faster on lights. Someone at Ducati had to make difficult decision. It doesn't need to be completely right, however they can adjust next years. Without this step, new/young people would go elsewhere... That's it.

It's not that we miss the trellis. It's how this bike looks. It's more like a Honda or Yamaha from the side

Beautiful bike in it's own right but I struggle to find the Monster's identity in this iteration.

Looks great but if you live somewhere hot witth dense traffic i’d check that the engine heat is bearable. On other models like my scrambler full throttle and the hyper motards are like sitting on a pizza oven.

I love it. Put down a deposit for my very own 2 days ago. Style is important to me too, and I love a trellis frame on a bike as much as anyone. But even without it, this Monster is still the best looking bike in it's class.

For get the frame Its a better bike in every single ways what else do people really want

@ferrikart

3 жыл бұрын

The problem is that no one rational would ever buy a ducati or italian bike that looks like any other japanese bike of the market. Cause without its heritage desing and personality what really is a ducati, u have the ktm duke with better performance for sure, and the kawa z900 and the mt 09 at a way lower price. So whats the selling point of this bike? Is it worth to destroy the soul of a bike just to make it a bit lighter.

I prefer this one over the old one, good job Ducati!

Fantastic in every aspect, they should have done it long time ago. I had three monsters in the past, this one is amazing, lets hope it delivers the goods as good as it looks. Bravo Ducati, if this bike is as good as they say, I will buy it.

If it had the trellis frame then people would just complain about the lack of power increase. Once you're on the bike it really doesn't matter. Modern aluminium frames offer more stability as well over a frame made of a bunch of simple trusses. Plus those stock pipes look really good

Luckily, the Monster did keep it's Desmo valves. That's good enough for me. Now the Multi loosing single sided swing arm, desmo valves, 17' front wheel and the trellis frame. Too much to stomach at the moment.

@wirenut3020

3 жыл бұрын

They don’t need outdated Desmo technology anymore, they need longer maintenance intervals and I believe this one has got 18,000 mile valve checks.

@MechAdv

3 жыл бұрын

@@wirenut3020 Desmo valves are only outdated on the mildly tuned Testastretta engines. They are very much relevant in the V4 superbike that can rev 1000rpm higher than its competitors in WSBK. Literally had to cut their top end to keep things competitive.

@wirenut3020

3 жыл бұрын

I’d not heard that. Is that why the MotoGP Ducati’s are faster on the straights?

@MechAdv

3 жыл бұрын

@@wirenut3020 Not sure, the GP bike may use pneumatic. Only thing better than Desmo for high RPM valve actuation is pneumatic. Ducati was just artificially handicapping themselves for years in WSBK running 2 cylinders vs 4. Desmo helped them get that 10th tenth out of those engines though.

@wirenut3020

3 жыл бұрын

I think I read an article by Kevin Cameron in Cycleworld about valve springs and their early problems....it’s oscillations and breakage. I think he had stated that the desmodromic system was once an advantage but that it wasn’t needed anymore given the reliability of the current valve springs. I figured Ducati had accepted the reality of that to extend their valve train adjustment mileage to 18,000 miles, and because of that, the new monster is looking better to me as possible owner. I’m all over the place right now with what may be my next bike.......a good problem to have..I think!

It's a good looking motorcycle and you make a strong argument for why the trellis frame has been ditched. It always takes time for customers to except and embrace design changes to a beloved model.

People that want an mt09 have already bought one. This is a step on the right direction but they’ll need to make a much longer leap to actually win some of those sales back.

I’ve driven Monsters for 17 years now and while I would love to drive a bike with all the modern toys, the new monsters have progressively become more and more like some kid’s idea of what a basic bike looks like. They’re not basic. The design is so fiddly it just isn’t pleasing to look at. Meanwhile, my 2006 R2S suddenly looks a lot more handsome than it did back when I bought it new. It’s simple, basic, well proportioned and without unnecessary bits. I think my next bike might be a BMW R nineT. Preferably the Racer. If I want something fast and cheap I can always get a Japanese bike. They’re brilliant at what they do. But I like bikes that look good. If people like the new monster that’s fine by me. But it isn’t for me.

With retro being all the rage these days, would it better for them to make the streetfighter range the modern naked performance range, and the monster the retro naked range?

Hope it works out for ducati. Anyone else remember when they tried to fuck with the 916/918 shape? They introduced the 999 and quickly back peddled to the old shape via the 1098🤔

Most people bitching about the looks have probably never owned a Monster anyway. I never liked the old trellis frame. I currently ride a Z800 and have been trying to decide between a Z900 or an MT09. I am now waiting to see one of these in the flesh at a dealer, but it has definitely moved to the top of my list.

I agree that it follows the original ethos of the Monster, and so in spirit is consistent with Monster moniker. But it just doesn't stand out like the old trellis frame Monster. And I feel like that visual impact is what made the Monster special. It was instantly recognizable. That's why I bought two over the years. Not because I wanted an Italian superbike on a diet/budget.

The trellis frame is iconic and looks better. I swear moto bob agrees but he’s scared someone from Ducati will hear and they won’t loan him bikes anymore. Literally never says anything negative because he wants the brands to like him. Such bullshit.

the way MOTOBOB says JUECATTI , it find it hilarious

As a retro-fetishised I am on the side of those who miss the trellis frame. In the Netherlands, this bike still comes down at €13500, not so affordable for many if you ask me.

I think it looks a lot like a Honda CB 650r

No change is boring. That is why most manufacturers offer a few more horses every year, more tech every year, and design changes every few years

Honestly, it's hard for me. I've had a 2000 M750 and I have a 2019 821, and while the new Monster keeps the "parts bin special" format of borrowed tech from the other bikes, the aesthetic plays a huge role and for over three decades the Monster has had that exposed trellis frame. On the Panigale it isn't nearly as visible because of the bodywork so a casual observer might not even notice the change to the monocoque style frame, on the Monster where it's lay bare it's a huge stylistic change. I get why it's still the Monster, but part of me also says "it should be in the Street fighter category instead."

I think the original frame design was everything. To change that is silly. Sometimes they get so competitive that they lose what makes them special. Personally I’d take a Aprilia 900 shiver.

I owned an S2R1000 and a M1100S. This new bike is no longer a monster. It doesn’t ride the same, look the same, or feel the same ergonomically. However, that’s going to be a good thing for Ducati IMO. People don’t want the classic monster anymore. The long-low wide bar layout, raw and instantaneous power delivery, the rumble and clatter of the dry clutch, the classic silhouette with the steel frame and round tank, these are the things that make a monster unique and desirable to me, but outdated and ill-tempered to the majority. This new bike rides like a proper roadster/naked should ride in the 2020s, and quite frankly it’s hypocritical for me to wax poetic about the old monsters, as I have replaced them with a Triumph STRS without an ounce of regret. I may buy an M1200R, just to own what is in my opinion the greatest monster ever built. But this new bike is a much needed departure from the old bikes that they can’t build anymore even if they wanted to. The 797 is also tempting as it is basically the final homage to the m900 that Galluzzi penned 30 years ago. We’ll see, nostalgia has yet to part this fool from his wallet.

It's not a monster. It very well be an improvement in every way but it's not a monster. Simply call it another name and problem solved. RIP Monster....

I would rather go on a diet than loose the iconic trellis frame. Numbers like lap times, weight, torque, ect did not get me to fall in love with the Monster back in the day. It was the looks of the bike! Now it looks like everything else on the market.