To Nate and John: Thank you for this difficult conversation. AI feels amorphous & foreign, but you're giving us the vocabulary to start sorting it. Many thanks. ❤

The John Robb interview in February was more important than people realize. The data strip mining was just one aspect. Per the current short clip - Elon Musk bought Twitter so he could mine data. The controversy over Huawei and TikTok is all about the US government mining US consumers' data instead of China. In other words, which government exploits your data. If you are on the low end of Robb's continuum of connectedness, as I am, you should consider alternative systems. What works for me is reducing consumption, growing my own food, giving food away, sharing my labor for free, sharing my expertise for free and even giving away my books - which are chock full of solutions - to other low-end people. It doesn't hurt to have a medieval mindset either. In this context, the colleges are shooting themselves in their collective feet by repressing their most creative students. Added to the loan forgiveness programs, the golden goose of academia is looking like a cooked goose at the moment. AI developed by strip mining data will be based on a false premise - that consumers are the ne plus ultra of society. Since that does not take clans, tribes and other less complex social structures into account, it will become a fail in a collapsed, less complex, regionalized world. Oops.

@markcounseling

10 күн бұрын

Great comment. Dropping the role of consumer opens up other creative possibilities.

This also brings to the fore the wonder of reality meeting tangible commodities like oil, coal, zinc and copper.

And there is a way to dance through this. John Kehoe talks about the mind as the Custodian of the Will, and we can use the perspective as a strategy to come out on the other side

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thanks!

Saw a journalist who said they expect 96% of internet content to be AI produced in a few years. I spend months on a painting that gets 10 "likes". Human productivity is simply overshadowed. Welcome to the digital dark ages.

Definitely a complex topic and to me, data ownership falls under the conversational umbrella of intellectual property, copyright, and property rights in general. It’s an interesting topic which should be discussed more deeply. Stefan Kinsella would be a good guest to have on because he’s an intellectual property lawyer. He has a right leaning bias, so it would be interesting to see a dialectic between him and someone with a more progressive intellectual bias.

@HidingFromFate

14 күн бұрын

I think Yanis Varoufakis would fit that bill.

@blairmatera6096

14 күн бұрын

@@HidingFromFate Interesting guy, but haven’t heard him speak about “intellectual property” and “copyright.” I think a guy like Vitalik Buterin would be a better choice, but I’m sure there are even better options than him.