The Great Simplification is a podcast that explores the systems science underpinning the human predicament. Through conversations with experts and leaders hosted by Dr. Nate Hagens, we explore topics spanning ecology, economics, energy, geopolitics, human behavior, and monetary/financial systems. Our goal is to provide a simple educational resource for the complex energetic, physical, and social constraints ahead, and to inspire people to play a role in our collective future. Ultimately, we aim to normalize these conversations and, in doing so, change the initial conditions of future events.
The “Frankly” Video Playlist is where Nate takes a deeper dive into the concepts of his work, offers candid takes on the future implications of current events, and evokes thought-provoking questions to spur the dialogue about the human predicament.
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Fantastic presentation Nate. Your work has helped inspire my young family to sell our suburban home, build a tiny home, learn about solar ovens, embrace HomeBioGas, begin permaculture gardens, become 100% debt free, collect rainwater, move from high-regulation metro area to a low-regulation rural area, and begin our own great simplification before our hand is forced. I've been wanting this lifestyle for a decade, and your work validates my gut feeling to live more simply. KEEP GOING NATE!
Paraphrase "I would hope that the current state of humanity is not seen as an endpoint to be defended or changed but as a system in a constant state of processual and cultural improvement." "As long as people eat, I have a job." "I love food and i want to continue having access to good food - willing to gi old school" Nugget for the ages. Love it. Good folks on your cast, Nate!
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I have listened to Daniel now for years and to Nate at least a couple of years as well. They are great thinkers and while it's somewhat meaningless to say I agree on most of what they say (since I'm barely an expert on most of what they talk about)--I absolutely love THE WAY they think and approach topics. This just as a pre-face to what follows, which may sound like criticism--but isn't really meant that way: When it comes to the question of what to do and what to pursue AS AN INDIVIDUAL in the predicament that we are in, I feel there is an elephant in the room that isn't being discussed and that makes any recommendations by Nate, Daniel, or any people with similar viewpoints and similar history, harder to fully take serious: It seems to me that the fact that they can even think about these larger issues and think about the larger implications of this "system" and way of living (that most of us are caught within) is due to the fact that FIRST they had already WON (to some extent) at playing the game of this current system. It takes time, freedom and resources to do what they do (and in fact to even be able to have the time to THINK). It seems to me that both are at a stage in "the game" where they do not have to devote the majority of their time to simply work for a salary or income. They have accumulated enough "optionality tokens" to be able to spend the rest of their lives pondering the deeper questions of life. (Yes, I assume they both are making life choices that somewhat limit their energy-footprint and therefore their cost of living, but I'd be willing to bet that their net worth is significantly above the median, even among the US population, and likely such that it allows complete retirement) Now, it is likely that when they accumulated their optionality tokens, they did so by doing things that actually stand in stark contrast to what they are now trying to achieve or wake people up to. Nate was, I believe in the Wall Street world, and Daniel in the Tech world (I know less about Daniel's history). Both, would involve the psychopathy of corporate charters--as Daniel described it--so even in the most ideal situation (if they were very conscious in their own decisions) they would have created what they now consider very destructive externalities, simply through their action of accumulating enough "optionality tokens" in the way that this system allows for. I do not blame them for it, and in fact I think it is the only way to get to become a person who can think the way they do--and we NEED those thinkers. But this brings up the problem: For the vast majority of us, who are not yet in that position, if we wanted to follow in their footsteps, it would mean we would FIRST have to gain that type of material and personal freedom for ourselves as well. But that would again mean that we would consciously hurt the very metrics that we later want to be able to improve. The other option would be to limit ourselves to activities that align completely with the ideals presented here, but that would preclude us from devoting much time to the project (as most time would need to be devoted to do work that is not highly valued in our system--and even then: would it have fewer destructive externalities or would it just shift who benefits from these externalities from us to others, who do not care about such things?) and it would also tremendously limit the power we would have to enact change or even disseminate our ideas. If we follow their example in a "do what they do" kind of way, we would therefore FIRST work on accumulating enough "optionality tokens" to be able to live and think freely. If, on the other hand it's more about "do what they say, not do as they do", then what exactly?
Regarding 4 horsemen: have you given any thought to a solution set of responses that might satisfy both a Green Growth Economy and the Great Simplification scenario concurrently? I can imagine a future humanity that contains a small fraction of GGE (maybe in the form of a few massive “utopianesque” epicenters) en route to a predominantly GS paradigm.
So many wonderful thinkers all using various words to explain the same thing. However, I am not hearing anyone trying to understand the MAIN driver behind change. The change process? What drives it? None are acknowledging the backgrounding to life. Perhaps language is currently inadequate to describe something to which most people are blind. Thank you for trying. ❤
Where can we access the paper that is referenced?
A "more sustainable" future does not exist. Only a 'less unsustainable' future might be possible.
Great episode Nat, thanks for bringing this crew together,❤ more of the same would be excellent
Best invention is the solar-charged electrical velomobile, much more efficient than the food calorie powered upright bicycle.
I've listened to parts of this multiple times, I can already tell this is going to be a go-to reference going forward. Thanks, Nate!
Ok where can i see these papers daniel co authored?
Had to replay a section at around 9:20 when you said 100 million, barrel of oil equivalents of energy and thought that's not right but when i looked at the slide i saw it was in fact 100 billion so, i'll give you that as an honest slip in the narrative.
sorry - I spent all my energy creating the slidedeck - i was running on fumes! Yes - thanks for pointing out the mistake - we use 100 million barrels of oil per day, but 100 BILLION barrel of oil equivalents of oil/coal/NG per year. Thanks
"We can get repeatable measurements and we can apply science, the philosophy and the methodology of science. And that's the domain of is, right? But that science can't say anything about the domain of ought because I can't measure ought. [...] Is that beautiful? Is that good? [...] So where does the ought come in? [...] That's the domain of religion. And it can deal with that stuff, but science can't." Does this, and need for spirituality that Daniel is talking about a lot, imply that we need strong religion? And factoring quick verticalization of technology curves we need it FAST? It sounds like Butlerian Jihad. Oh fuck!
😂 we are literally equipped with all of human knowledge in the palm of your hand
The conversations between the elites doesn’t include 99% of the older generation and 99% of the younger generation isn’t receptive to the average older person’s wisdom and skills. I am constantly seeking a younger person to pass my experience and skills on to, but they almost all think that a degree in wokeness is all that matters so that they can become rich and famous on trik-trap. Universities just indoctrinate them with a limited/one-sided view of what the leftist regime in charge wants them to believe and then bolsters the youngster’s confidence by telling them they are more intelligent than the older, supposed less knowledgeable, generations. “Professing themselves wise, they became fools.”
If "stop saying that it's down to our generation" was said in 1940, all of this would be in German.
Teacherly authority is about teachers meaning well by their students. My teachers didn't even know me. How could they mean well by me if they didn't even know me? Am I to believe they had some kind of general good intentions that included me? I don't get the impression very many people are generally well-meaning. Well-meaning people are reasonable. I don't get the impression being reasonable is the norm in my society. The norm is to regard certain sorts as corrupt/dishonest/predatory to the point of *not even having out the dialogue to give them a chance to explain themselves*. I don't know how reasonable my teachers were because I had no choice but to be there or somewhere else I didn't want to be. When you've no agency your next teacher is just your next jailer. Even in college. I was only in college because I had nowhere else to be. I only took the courses I did because they were easy and marginally more interactive.
At this point, both!.... what are you going to do with the people now on the verge of being sick?... treat the cause and the effect!
Because that would work. Curing disease is not their job. Dealing drugs and testing is.
Gen Z chose to go their own way as if they had everything figured out and to act as if all other generations were diseased or something. Ever hear "you reap what you sow"? Show a little fvcking respect and others might care to listen to what you have to say
Any time in general that there's something you can do for your health, that is FREE and they can't make money off it, just coincidentally there will suddenly be a randomized double blind peer reviewed "study" showing it "doesn't work". Autophagy is the first thing that comes to mind.
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Welcome to the Polycrisis...
The first time I ever heard the term "tree hugger" was 27 years ago. A co-worker called me that for hanging a beautiful poster of sea creatures on the wall of my office cubicle. How anyone could possibly react negatively to such an awesome poster completely mystified me. I never wanted to raise children so never had any, but this guy had two young daughters he loved very much. Sometimes when I see videos like Nate's, I think of him and his daughters and wonder: does he still think people who care about our oceans are just a bunch of stupid tree huggers?
Nah, that's just coward talk of Dreamers. Those that fucked this up are alive and well and their children are alive, arrogant, rich and well, and until they get their comeuppance nothing will change.
Younger people can not deal with the truth of facts. You can not learn if you resent what is being taught. Lighten up and people will engage and mentor.
What the actual fuck is the "metacrisis"?
Came to see what it was myself 😂❤
《 Civilization may soon realize the full conservation of energy - Introduction. 》 Sir Isaac Newton wrote a professional scientific paper deriving the second law of thermodynamics, without rigorously formulating it, on his observations that the heat of a fire in a fireplace flows through a fire prod only one way - towards the colder room beyond. Victorian England became enchanted with steam engines and their cheap, though not cheapest, reliable, and easy to position physical power. Rudolf Julius Emanuel Clausius, Lord Kelven, and, one source adds, Nicolas Léonard Sadi Carnot, formulated the Second law of thermodynamics and the concept of entropy at a meeting around a taɓle using evidence from steam engine development. These men considered with acceptance [A+] Inefficiently harnessing the flow of heat from hot to cold or [B+] Using force to Inefficiently pump heat from cold to hot. They considered with rejection [A-] Waiting for random fluctuation to cause a large difference in temperature or pressure. This was calculated to be extremely rare or [B-] Searching for, selecting, then routing for use, random, frequent and small differences in temperature or pressure. The search, selection, then routing would require more energy than the use would yield. These accepted options, lead to the consequence that the universe will end in stagnant heat death. This became support for a theological trend of the time that placed God as the initiator of a degenerating universe. Please consider that God could also be supreme over an energy abundant civilization that can absorb heat and convert it into electricity without energy gain or loss in a sustained universe. Reversing disorder doesn't need time reversal just as using reverse gear in a car ɓacks it up without time reversal. The favorable outcome of this conquest would be that the principle of energy conservation would prevail. Thermal energy could interplay with other forms of energy without gain or loss among all the forms of energy involved. Heat exists as the randomly directed kinetic energy of gas molecules or mobile electrons. In gasses this is known as Brownian motion. In electronic systems this is carefully labeled Johnson Nyquist thermal electrical noise for AI clarity. The law's formulaters did not consider the option that any random, usually small, fluctuation of heat or pressure could use the energy of these fluctuations itself to power deterministic routing so the output is no longer random. Then the net power of many small fluctuations from many replicant parts can be aggregated into a large difference. Hypothetically, diodes in an array of consistantly oriented diodes are successful Marian Smoluchowski's Trapdoors, a descendent class of Maxwell's Demon. Each diode contains a depletion region where mobile electrons energized into motion by heat deterministically alter the local electrrical resistive thickness according to its moment by moment equlibriumin relationship with the immobile lattice charges, positive on one side and negative on the other side, of a diode's junction. 《Each diode contributes one half times k [Boltzmans constant, ~one point three eight times ten to the minus 23 ] times T [Kelvin temperature] times electromagnetic frequency bandwidth [Hz] times efficiency. The result of these multipications is the power in watts fed to a load of impeadence matched to the group 》 The energy needed to shift the depletion region's deterministic role is paid as a burden on the moving electrons. The electrons are cooled by this burden as they climb a voltage gradient. Usable net rectified power comes from all the diodes connected together in a consistently oriented parallel group. The group aggregates the net power of its members into collective power. Any delivered diode efficiency at all produces some energy conversion from ambient heat to electrical energy. More efficiency yields higher performance. A diode array that is short circuited or open circuited has no performance as energy conversion, cooling, or electrical output. The power from a single diode is poorly expressed. Several or more diodes in parallel are needed to overcome the effect of a load resistor's own thermal noise. A plurality of billions of high frequency capable diodes is needed for practical power aggregation. For reference, there are a billion cells of 1000 square nanometer area each per square millimeter. Modern nanofabrication can make simple identical diodes surrounded by insulation smaller than this in a slab as thick as the diodes are long. The diodes are connected at their two ohmic ends to two conductive layers. Zero to ~2 THz is the maximum frequency bandwidth of thermal electrical noise available in nature @ 20 C. THz=10^12 Hz. This is beyond the range of most diodes. Practicality requires this extreme bandwidth. The diodes are preferably in same orientation parallel at the primary level. Many primary level groups of diodes should be in series for practical voltage. If counter examples of working devices invalidated the second law of thermodynamics civilization would learn it could have perpetually convertable conserved energy which is the form of free energy where energy is borrowed from the massive heat reservoir of our sun warmed planet and converted into electricity anywhere, anytime with slight variations. Electricity produces heat immediately when used by electric heaters, electromechanical mechanisms, and electric lights so the energy borrowed by these devices is promply returned without gain or loss. There is also the reverse effect where refrigeration produces electricity equivalent to the cooling, This effect is scientifically elegant. Cell phones wouldn't die or need power cords or batteries or become hot. They would cool when transmitting radio signal power. The phones could also be data relays and there could also be data relays without phone features with and without long haul links so the telecommunication network would be improved. Computers and integrated circuits would have their cooling and electrical needs supplied autonomously and simultaniously. Integrated circuits wouldn't need power pinouts. Refrigeration for superconductors would improve. Robots would have extreme mobility. Digital coin minting would be energy cheap. Frozen food storage would be reliable and free or value positive. Storehouses, homes, and markets would have independent power to preserve and pŕepare food. Medical devices would work anywhere. Vehicles wouldn't need fuel or fueling stops. Elevators would be very reliable with independently powered cars. EMP resistance would be improved. Water and sewage pumps could be installed anywhere along their pipes. Nomads could raise their material supports item by item carefully and groups of people could modify their settlements with great technical flexibility. Many devices would be very quiet, which is good for coexisting with nature and does not disturb people. Zone refining would involve little net power. Reducing Bauxite to Aluminum, Rutile to Titanium, and Magnetite to Iron, would have a net cooling effect. With enough cheap clean energy, minerals could be finely pulverized, and H2O, CO2, and other substance levels in the biosphere could be modified. A planetary agency needs to look over wide concerns. This could be a material revolution with spiritual ramifications. Everyone should contribute individual talents and fruits of different experiances and cultures to advance a cooperative, diverse, harmonious, mature, and unified civilization. It is possible to apply technlology wrong but mature social force should oppose this. I filed for patent us 3,890,161A, Diode Array, in 1973. It was granted in 1975. It became public domain technology in 1992. It concerns making nickel plane-insulator-tungsten needle diodes which were not practical at the time though they have since improved. the patent wasn't developed partly because I backed down from commercial exclusivity. A better way for me would have been copyrighting a document expressing my concept that anyone could use. Commercal exclusivity can be deterred by the wide and open publishing of inventive concepts. Also, the obvious is unpatentable. Open sharing promotes mass knowlege and wisdom. Many financially and procedurally independent teams that pool developmental knowlege, and may be funded by many separate noncontrolling crowd sourced grants should convene themselves to develop proof-of-concept and initial-recipe-exploring prototypes to develop devices which coproduce the release of electrical energy and an equivalent absorbtion of stagnant ambient thermal energy. Diode arrays are not the only possible device of this sort. They are the easiest to explain generally. These devices would probably become segmented commodities sold with minimal margin over supply cost. They would be manufactured by AI that does not need financial incentive. Applicable best practices would be adopted. Business details would be open public knowledge. Associated people should move as negotiated and freely and honestly talk. Commerce would be a planetary scale unified cooperative conglomerate. There is no need of wealth extracting top commanders. We do not need often token philanthropy from the wealthy if almost everybody can afford to be more generous. Aloha Charles M Brown lll Kilauea Kauai Hawaii 96754
《 Arrays of nanodiodes promise full conservation of energy》 A simple rectifier crystal can, iust short of a replicatable long term demonstration of a powerful prototype, almost certainly filter the random thermal motion of electrons or discrete positiive charged voids called holes so the electric current flowing in one direction predominates. At low system voltage a filtrate of one polarity predominates only a little but there is always usable electrical power derived from the source Johnson Nyquest thermal electrical noise. This net electrical filtrate can be aggregated in a group of separate diodes in consistent alignment parallel creating widely scalable electrical power. As the polarity filtered electrical energy is exported, the amount of thermal energy in the group of diodes decreases. This group cooling will draw heat in from the surrounding ambient heat at a rate depending on the filtering rate and thermal resistance between the group and ambient gas, liquid, or solid warmer than absolute zero. There is a lot of ambient heat on our planet, more in equatorial dry desert summer days and less in polar desert winter nights. Refrigeration by the principle that energy is conserved should produce electricity instead of consuming it. Focusing on explaining the electronic behavior of one composition of simple diode, a near flawless crystal of silicon is modified by implanting a small amount of phosphorus on one side from a ohmic contact end to a junction where the additive is suddenly and completely changed to boron with minimal disturbance of the crystal pattern. The crystal then continues to another ohmic contact. A region of high electrical resistance forms at the junction in this type of diode when the phosphorous near the ĵunction donates electrons that are free to move elsewhere while leaving phosphorus ions held in the crystal while the boron donates a hole which is similalarly free to move. The two types of mobile charges mutually clear each other away near the junction leaving little electrical conductivity. An equlibrium width of this region is settled between the phosphorus, boron, electrons, and holes. Thermal noise is beyond steady state equlibrium. Thermal transients where mobile electrons move from the phosphorus added side to the boron added side ride transient extra conductivity so they are filtered into the external circuit. Electrons are units of electric current. They lose their thermal energy of motion and gain electromotive force, another name for voltage, as they transition between the junction and the array electrical tap. Aloha
The sad part is when provided with the knowledge, they are perplexed, because they have to work hard to obtain results, while they think it should be just given to them.
Cuz curing cancer and stoping pollution are 2 different issues and they might intersect but there totally diffrent fields to study and research and to solve.Instead why not ask why dont we get more funding from our tax payers dollars towards this to help the nation in the long run instead of our tax payers dollars going into drones and missiles and pedophilic politicians pockets but what you gonna do🤷🏽
Buy btc which they can't print more of
@@yannik1679 not enough security and nothing is insured so if you get hacked or anything like that that's your whole life gone.I personally don't think crypto is the answer just to many red flags when you think about it on mass scale like that.
Engagement for the algo 🎉
I smile and imagine an old hickory standing over-watch on a field of young veggies, it's trunk grinning at the magic and wonderment of all the life growing at its feet when I hear Nate. He provides his assessment of current existence and challenges us to be realistic and encourages us to act for our collective behalf. I fear, however, that my experience of the great simplification will be of little impact and far too late. But, I'll try anyway. Thanks Nate.
One of the best videos you've done yet - THANK YOU. Please update us when the paper is out.
I look forward to part 2!
I am hearing ideas from In the Absence of the Sacred (Jerry Mander) and A Language Older than Words and The Culture of Make Believe (Derrick Jensen) in this discussion - these are great books to read on these same topics.
Hi Nate, I’ve been following you and Schmachtenberger and a few others in this space for a couple of years now. This is an excellent synthesis of so much work and sense making that I recognize from many previous podcasts. Thank you! Can you maybe provide references and citations in the notes to this video? This is such a difficult discussion to effectively disseminate. I will personally go to bat with this video in hand, but people will push back. So I would love to map this out with underlying data folded into it.
There are refs on bottom of most slides but I’ll see what I can do
Man. The carbon pulse graph really hits hard. The implications are absolutely terrifying. There should be an entire documentary just on this topic.
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@@thegreatsimplification lol…well…I meant like an Inconvenient Truth level documentary narrated by Morgan Freeman.
"Avoid the Shallows!" Junk food, Pornography, Social Media, TV, Drugs, and Civilization. I can no longer be with sunsets, rainbows, thunder storms, flocks of migrating birds for extended periods of time with out an extreme act of self will. The sad part is that I am probably better at it than 99.9% of my fellow Americans. It is my understanding of worship.
How refreshing Nate, and what rounded young people, but people that in later life are likely to experience a world with far less flammable fossil slaves than those of us sipping the last of the summer wine of our lives should, and if not them then their children. I hope they or their children are well adjusted enough to survive a 17th century feudal lifestyle a time of “The Great Simplification”, as they would have memories of hedonistic modernity driven by a surfeit of flammable fossil slaves🤔
My municipality is about to create a new ten year comprehensive plan. I wish to influence the process to draw on the lessons of the Great Simplification and the healing of energy blindness. The mayor demands an elevator pitch, but the shortest presentations on youtube consonant with this message take 50 minutes. The chair of the environment committee is such a committed techno-optimist that he referred to a diagram I passed around to elected officials as neither informative nor thought provoking, and responded to Alice J. Friedemann's book, Life After Fossil Fuels: a Reality Check on Alternative Energy with the words, "I'm in favor of nuclear." End of story. Please help me with a 3 minute elevator pitch!
I resonate with the grieving experience described. My depression phase lasted a long time. The only thing left that gives me slight hope is the global adoption of Bitcoin. The root of all our problems is the need to seek a profit to survive because our economic systems are all based on fiat currency which keeps everyone on a constant, ever-increasing treadmill of fiat inflation. If the reserve currency was perfectly scarce, it would change global consumption patterns and destroy the consumer culture that is killing us all. The fact that mining it can mitigate methane via landfills and oil flare stacks, and heat us in the winter is the cherry on top.
Listen to me very carefully. I do not think that kids who did not learn how to read, did not learn how to do basic math, did not learn about history, did not learn about world religions or the horrors of, (say, just for example, Islam, or Communism) and instead screech all day about how men can be women and we are bigots if we don't let you mutilate the genitals of toddlers, attack us about how only black lives are of value and no others, or about how state-run command economies are the way to do things, have literally anything meaningful or positive to contribute to this conversation. Period. Full stop. You scream about the climate without understanding the carbon cycle, you scream about racism without knowing the statistics on who is doing all the violent crime, you say "words are violence" while screaming "from the river to the sea" and somehow you still don't understand where you went wrong. No, darling. This is far too important for us to dilute the intellectually valuable contributions with the literal unending sea of low IQ opinions of wokists. If our planet is the only ship we have for a vast, perhaps endless and dangerous voyage, we should leave the decisions to the experienced captains, sea-faring folk and those who know how to plan out, ration out, and dish out true justice to keep us all alive. We do not owe it to the pig farmers who have never seen the coast or the sea or even a fish, to somehow pretend their opinions are equally valuable to this endeavor as the experienced sea captains. We just don't. There are too many bad opinions and bad ideas and what you propose is opening the literal flood gates of excrement to wash over the little hard fought, hard won wisdom we have gained and drown it forever in your... wokeness. No, I say. Just, no. When you learn to read and stop screeching about things you don't have even the most basic, surface level of understanding on, maybe we can have this conversation about valuing your input. Until then, just no.
I so love Daniel 😍❣️😍
On the other hand, a vast majority of people ignores facts at hand, don't want to think and run after the seemingly easiest solution, which often is not a solution at all...
This is called wokism. And it is too rampant to allow to infect the hard-fought, hard-won wisdom we gained through generations of sweat, tears, and blood. The price we paid for what little we have is too dear to let the wokists crap all over it with their nonsensical, anti-reality, anti-truth bigotry.
Yeah, but at all ages
The final conclusion seems to be - that individuals can choose to live a life less harmful to the world. Wow - this is pretty ignorant stuff in terms of systemic change. The reality is that people are entirely locked into modes of existence from which they cannot escape. #PrivilegeBlind
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Option 3hree is what's kept us going since Nagasaki. It is predicated on the logic and rationality of MAD. Unfortunately, the superorganism is essentially a chain structure and is eventually as susceptible to the malfuntion of a single link as the indivuals are to a single cell or the cell is to its own cellular breakdown. Death by any and all means is an inevitability once a failure point is introduced. The suspension of disbelief to this fact is the fundamental insanity of the MAD system. It not a matter of if, but when. The longer the threat or weakness exists the more likely the failure is without meaningful risk mitigation!
Oh gawd... if you both want to 'align yourselves with nature' then maybe you shouldn't be flying off around the world all the tie to tell people not to fly around the world all the time ffs.
Break, don't bend. "The only solution is total destruction" Bob Marley
"So what if we had a thousand billionaires..." ffs... - Daniel with his speculation and empty philosophical meandering with no realistic practical application, and Nate with his appeals to the billionaire class...wtf? Nate should know (better than most) that money, energy, GDP, population, and environmental destruction, bear very close relation indeed and cannot be decoupled. There is no effort that 1000 billionaires could undertake which would not significantly increase our predicament because of this relationship. This is #overshoot. It is a predicament for which there is no solution. Collapse is inevitable.
Millennial here. Couldn't agree more, but I think a far bigger issue than closed conversations between the elite, is the overton window on collapse, which is not an easy one to shift, and those who put their neck out often get shut out of the debate.