Two Jacobs in the same shot feels so natural somehow

@XPtoLevel3

Жыл бұрын

why would it feel unnatural?

@XPtoLevel3

Жыл бұрын

there's actually like six of us

@xena3722

Жыл бұрын

@@XPtoLevel3 Only 6?

@CreatineWaves

Жыл бұрын

Impressive maneuver but what about... 8?

@MadnessOpus

Жыл бұрын

He makes some really good use of that Invoke Duplicity

Couldn't help but laugh as he starts to take the DM board over

@helixmoss9957

Жыл бұрын

How tf have KZread not banned these bots yet.. at this point just ban links in comments.

@woodyackerman1906

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@cguy1484

Жыл бұрын

Also a job that not only is he taking over the game, but if you wanted to take over the game he could just DM in the first place. Instead of wanting to role play a selfish God.

@homerman76

Жыл бұрын

It was the DM's true master plan to get someone else to finally take over as DM, knowing the rogue wouldn't be able to resist stealing his power 😂

@MoleHillish

Жыл бұрын

he straight up stole the campaign lol

I love how the stereotype for rogues (a class that actively gains benefits for working with a group) is sneaking away from the group

@jodofe4879

Жыл бұрын

With the way stealth checks work in DnD, there are quite a few valid reasons for a rogue being away from the group. Like when you need to scout ahead but don't want the clunky paladin in his clanking plate armor alerting everyone in a 10 mile radius. And some rogue subclasses like assassin are heavily dependent on staying undetected and surprising enemies, which further encourages the rogue to stay away from less stealthy party members.

@TheKillaShow

Жыл бұрын

@@jodofe4879 Just stay with the party weirdo.

@theapproachingstorm2133

Жыл бұрын

@@jodofe4879 But most the time rogues will just leave the party and sneak away and do their own thing to try and get money and then the player goes "Im JuSt PlAyInG mY cHaRaCtEr RiGhT" and gets themselves killed before blaming the party for not being with them.

@peterheinisch2294

Жыл бұрын

@@jodofe4879 As an assassin player, this is the short answer

@RayFowler

Жыл бұрын

Literally the first character I played was a thief (posing as a fighter) and I stealthed away from the group while they were in combat, opened a chest, pocketed some loot, and then ran back into combat as if I was always there. I was 17.

It was all a part of the DM's master plan to get someone else to finally take over as DM, knowing the rogue wouldn't be able to resist stealing his power 😂

@rockpirt1760

Жыл бұрын

Quoting from aladdin "phenomenal cosmic power ity bity living space"

@yolkonut6851

Жыл бұрын

@@rockpirt1760 I'm picturing all DMs as living in little houses made of DM screens

@rossherndon4548

Жыл бұрын

It's the only way to escape the contract of Forever DM and finally get to play... to trick someone into taking it over for you

@justinjacobs1501

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if I'd trust rogue to DM...

@NatalieE500

11 ай бұрын

@@rockpirt1760 Ah a person of culture!

The amount of hairstyling that must have gone into the editing never fails to impress me.

@XPtoLevel3

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't find a hat

@shhinysilver1720

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@Vallamaria

Жыл бұрын

@@XPtoLevel3 Not even... a wizard hat?

@thehandsmeltedjar5296

Жыл бұрын

@@XPtoLevel3 gotta say man, that look with the bun and the little line across the face us baller you should do it more

@forgetfuldullahan5468

Жыл бұрын

@@XPtoLevel3 so your saying we should send you silly hats?

DM: You made orphans! Rogue: That just means that there will be more rogues in the world..... I about spit my coffee out at that line lol.

@Cpt.Str4ng3

Жыл бұрын

1:15 In fact, that i had a synchronised sigh breath at this point sums up dnd.

@Johnchi02

Жыл бұрын

Like I got to that part before I drunk mine. 😉

@cheriseodum687

Жыл бұрын

Is this how rogues reproduce?

@comalausa

Жыл бұрын

@@cheriseodum687 Well this is exactly how it was done in my first D&D campaign including the rogue starting his own orphanage and "training" facility. What's weirder is that the rogue is also learning how to DM it seems and is slowly taking over... so I guess this is a thing too.

All of these rogue videos are just Jacob's special way of saying "As a DM you can say no"

@MarquisLeary34

Жыл бұрын

Or a party that says "No Rogues."

@litessbu

Жыл бұрын

@@MarquisLeary34 Rogues are fun, just don’t allow “that guy” to play them and you’re all set.

@esobelisk3110

Жыл бұрын

@@MarquisLeary34 yeah, because clearly the main problem with this guy is that his character has high enough stealth to sneak away from the party, and not the fact that he doesn’t seem to actually want to play the game in a way that’s fun for anyone else…..

@MarquisLeary34

Жыл бұрын

@@esobelisk3110 No, not really what I meant. The class brings out the worst in people and also attracts the worst people.

@synterlu

Жыл бұрын

@@MarquisLeary34 With every comment you get worse man haha, rogues can be very beneficial/fun for the group, cutting off a whole class because people aren't able to communicate expectations properly is not the solution you're looking for

The best DM move to counter "Ok, so we get some hirelings and make them do all the work while we sit around and rule the world" is to reply "Cool. Hand over your character sheets. You are now playing as hirelings working for your horrible ex-adventurer bosses."

@havable

7 ай бұрын

Well, most of 'em are okay, but *that one guy...*

Fun Fact: You can buy 100 candles for 1 gold piece and they weigh nothing. Every time your DM asks what your character is doing you can just say "I light 17 candles" and if anyone complains you aren't contributing you can say that you're very clearly doing the most to add ambiance out of anyone.

@bobroberts2581

Жыл бұрын

A taper is half an oz per inch. A pillar candle that is just shy of an inch in diameter (7/8) is about 6 ounces for a standard length width. Assume that is you try to carry around more than a couple candles the DM is gonna do a Googly. That’s be just over 6 lb’s for 100 taper candles, or 37.5 lbs for 100 standard size pillar candles. Which is why Dionysus/Caiden Calean/“insert drunken mischief god” here made Bags of holding, because that ish sounds hilarious. “I spend my turn attacking the darkness to prevent the rogue from bamfing off someplace.”

@Dack.howaboutyou

Жыл бұрын

Power moves right there.

@deerecoyote2040

Жыл бұрын

@@bobroberts2581 Actually bags of holding were made for my players to fill with barrels of oil, throw a torch into, and tie the bag shut. Then, they go to fight something and open the bag, causing a tidal wave of burning oil to pour out, one-shoting the entire room.

@uberculex

Жыл бұрын

@@deerecoyote2040 That seems like it wouldn't work. Does time freeze in bag of holdings in your world? I know in my game I asked the players in session 0 whether they wanted oxygen or not in their bags they said no. This means nothing rots in the bags but anything that needs to breathe dies in the bag.

@hugofontes5708

Жыл бұрын

@@uberculex they drop barrels full of air too just in case

Bad Rogues: A Kleptomaniac who is a murder Hobo Good Rogues: A Friendly guy who somehow made even the Paladin question his own action towards perfecting his oaths

@ZelphTheWebmancer

Жыл бұрын

Bad Rogues: A Kleptomaniac who is a murder hobo Good Rogues: A Kleptomaniac who is a murder hobo in service of the party

@RenoKyrie

Жыл бұрын

@Liam H Rogues cant fight *Has the most Burst Damage in 1 Turn every Round* Theres a reason why Rogues dont have Extra Attack

@theuncalledfor

Жыл бұрын

@@RenoKyrie Rogues deal less average damage than other martials once magic items are taken into account. Plus, they might not always be able to get Sneak Attack. Combat is not actually where Rogues truly shine.

@RenoKyrie

Жыл бұрын

@@theuncalledfor Yeah fair enough Gloomstalker pretty much do what Rogue supposed to do damage wise but better + they have Natural spells Meanwhile Rogue as Arcane Trickster become great Utility Class while still doing decent damage

@thegreatandterrible4508

Жыл бұрын

My rogue isn't a kleptomaniac, but he is a compulsive liar. Does that count towards the bad end?

"I feel like I could've done more to prevent this." Indeed, my greatest lesson as a DM, the ability to say no and communicate the expectations before and/or after session

@user-gh8sg7oc9r

4 ай бұрын

Just say something like "yes, some rogues may have the intention of doing what you suggest. But for the sake of everyone's adventuring quest, *your rogue is not one of them*

We had a player who did exactly this. 30 minutes watching them MGS their way through the same dungeon we were going to explore our way through anyway. Never told us where he was going. Was a lot of fun just being sat there.

@SvarrChanston

Жыл бұрын

Nice! What were they playing, out of curiosity?

@sourcecode6008

Жыл бұрын

@@SvarrChanston A Gloom Stalker Ranger. Invisible while in darkness is a fun ability lol

@banaman7746

Жыл бұрын

one of the things I try to do, as a minimum, is it the group splits up in any way, I try to internally determine "how long is this taking in game?" and rotate between the different groups. rogue went off to start slaughtering the entire village? well, that's probably gonna take at least half an hour to find everyone... so while that happens, rest of party, what are you doing? walking towards the village for an hour? uh huh... ok, so rogue, you've finished slaughtering the village, what's next? It adds a bit more legwork in trying to decide on the fly "how long is what they said going to take?" but it prevents any one person from being the only one playing for long, and can lead to interesting moments where one thing might interact naturally with other things.

The way he just kept going and slowly took the dm's screen from him lol

@Cpt.Str4ng3

Жыл бұрын

Thats not a DM Screen, thats a barricade :D

@clartblart3266

Жыл бұрын

@@Cpt.Str4ng3 Hm, I googled it and it's not appearing, only appears when I search dm screen

@Cpt.Str4ng3

Жыл бұрын

@@clartblart3266 so the DM Screen blocked your results for the barricade.🤔 Or the other way around.

@clartblart3266

Жыл бұрын

@@Cpt.Str4ng3 What I mean is dm screen is the correct name, nothing appears for barricade

@ncpolley

Жыл бұрын

@@clartblart3266 ...

So basically DM is like the final form for a rogue. Learn something new every day

@JessicaMorgani

Жыл бұрын

I started playing D&D 3.5 a year ago, I decided to only play one class to learn the sistem well, I choose rogue... Now I am DMing a campaing in futuristic daggerfall.

@homerman76

Жыл бұрын

You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain, live even longer than that and you get to be the forever DM 😜

@kingnothing007

Жыл бұрын

'Tis indeed

@cocoXmarshmallows

Жыл бұрын

My friends used to joke that even though I’ve never played a rogue, I always play the rogue. …I’ve been the DM for 2 years now. 😐

@TheGildedFlask

Жыл бұрын

Well.. even seen a DM cape? Suspiciously rogue-like..

"We want to play the game too!" I felt that in my *soul*. Forever DM in a party with others, one of the only always players made a flying Rogue who will unironically scout and kill everything in the dungeon before any of us can even ask to make a check. At one point I got tired and literally sat in a corner to play Humans and Households because I had rolled once in a 4 hour session and said less than 2 sentences because any time I tried to do anything he took it over.

@lolusuck386

Жыл бұрын

I swear y'all are using some fucked up house rules or something because our party's rogue is nowhere near powerful enough to do anything on her own.

@dreamwanderer5791

Жыл бұрын

@@lolusuck386 Nope. Just really low level because noob DM so nobody can match expertise or Sneak damage yet.

@solmyr42

Жыл бұрын

Bad dm behavior, sorry to say, why did he let the rogue take over, it's not necessary. Just say no, you dont need to do it this way. I mean, they could even arrange a solo session dm + rogue, if they enjoy playing like that...

@dreamwanderer5791

Жыл бұрын

@@solmyr42 It's his first time running ever, and he didn't realize what was happening until the rest of the table brought up most of us were glorified window dressing. He got better though.

@solmyr42

Жыл бұрын

Ok, aah that's great to hear

The defeated "I feel like I could have done more to prevent this" is becoming my tag line as a GM.

"Corvo Auditore" is possibly the most anticipated crossover in history and the reason for my side now being in crippling pain from laughter.

@gameknight623

Жыл бұрын

Is that not a reference to Ezio Auditore?

@kendog3492

Жыл бұрын

@@gameknight623 and Corvo Attano, from dishonored

@gameknight623

Жыл бұрын

Dishonored is free today, I'll have to check it out.

@gerardlacroix6015

Жыл бұрын

@@gameknight623 Great stealth game. Level design is really solid.

@OwningMicrobe

Жыл бұрын

I dunno, convo from solar opposites would kick ass in a dnd campaign

Now you gotta do one for the other classes when they start feeling like the main character

@TonyMackSays

Жыл бұрын

This.

@HomeCookinMTG

Жыл бұрын

Sooo...a video about paladins

@savingplayer1613

Жыл бұрын

Seconded!

@8Smoker8

Жыл бұрын

@@HomeCookinMTG you mean warlocks.

@sonicfan4511

Жыл бұрын

I was in one Pathfinder game where my barbarian sort of ended up in the main character role but it was completely incidental and the whole party was down for it. Basically I'd arrived late to a session that I didn't think I would make it to at all. Party was having a boss fight against an evil ice mage and his magically enhanced talking goat minion. When I arrived two party members were downed the rogue was in the corner getting the shit beaten out of them by the goat and our warlock was blinded and stuck to a wall by an icicle not mortally wounded but unable to move. Basically it was just me and the very first thing I did on the first turn was roll a fat crit on the goat. My character was a titan mauler and so used weapons one size category larger than normal. After splattering the goat I proceeded to throw every weapon available at the evil flying wizard (throw anything feat ftw). After doing some damage he feld out a window and down toward the courtyard, we'd found some potions of featherfall in the last session so I jumped out after him. Now in the courtyard and low on things to throw, my characters takes some hits before finding the body of the wizard's mistress (whom I'd killed in the previous session by catching the spear she threw at me and throwing it back) and proceeded to kill him with it as well. I rolled very well throughout this though I don't doubt there was a bit of fudging on the DM's part to avoid a tpk. After that point one of my party members suggested and the rest including the DM agreed with my character being ahead of the level curve of the rest of the party. That whole campaign was a very fun time.

Nobody’s talking about how Astral Dreadnoughts are immune to being stunned

@TheGhostFart

Жыл бұрын

rule 0

@jeepersmcgee3466

Жыл бұрын

or how a rogue can('t) stun things

@litessbu

Жыл бұрын

@@jeepersmcgee3466 presumably a magic item, and if there isn’t one that allows you to do that, then it was probably homebrew. Still doesn’t explain the first point though…

@4th_Dimensional_Being

Жыл бұрын

@@jeepersmcgee3466 maybe a soul knife rogue

@amodking

Жыл бұрын

Nat 20 lol

Rogue: "Look at me... LOOK AT ME!" _Party literally doen't see anything, because the Rogue rolled 35 stealth_ Rogue: "_I_ am the DM now!"

Hahahahaha the subtle reach for the DM screen, followed by hijacking the entire game. We’ve all seen this played out one way or another.

@robinheinemann1740

Жыл бұрын

Can't say I have and I have been playing for years.

@letsplaysvonaja1714

Жыл бұрын

I play on roll20 and I'm fairly certain I can't usurp the dm

@cellphone7223

Жыл бұрын

@@robinheinemann1740 Me neither. Is this a thing today?

@kannonball5789

Жыл бұрын

@@letsplaysvonaja1714 I mean if you form a new group of everyone minus the DM then you've done it.

@comalausa

Жыл бұрын

@@robinheinemann1740 I've been playing for 6 months and this is happening currently in the middle of a campaign

“You’ve made orphans” “That just means there will be more rogues in the world”

@untaimedbeast

Жыл бұрын

My rogue is an orphan. Can confirm

@DG-mk7kd

Жыл бұрын

No No He’s Got A Point

@Psycom5k1

Жыл бұрын

Uhhhhhh well… I learned something about myself and apparently everyone else too…

@TheHighborn

Жыл бұрын

isn't that's how rogues reproduce?

@mikonyx7712

Жыл бұрын

@Dreaming Space If I were faced with that answer I could say "Looking at you, That's not good" xD

Takes the phrase "He's gone rogue" to a whole 'nother level.

Very nice of the Rogue to become the new GM. Don't see that very often.

@VosperCDN

Жыл бұрын

Rogues will steal anything, including the DM's job apparently.

@homerman76

Жыл бұрын

@@VosperCDN It was a trap setup by the DM all along 🤣

@Pixie1001.

Жыл бұрын

@@homerman76 The one thing his perception score wasn't high enough to forsee 😢

@SagelStrider

Жыл бұрын

@@VosperCDN I sure did, even stole the DM's players since he got burnt out. Been DMing for over a year now.

Everyone's talking about how Jacob the Rogue stole the DM screen from Jacob the DM, but no one is talking about how Jacob the Rogue is building a dice-based tabletop roleplaying game _inside_ a dice-based tabletop roleplaying game. _From scratch._

@lordbuss

9 ай бұрын

There's a Door Monster sketch about that.

As a rogue player my self it is a fine balance between you being useless and wondering to far from the party, I try to stay within 30-90 feet of the party so that I can use my stealth to get in good a good position, while still not ending up dead. Playing it like that gives the party a huge advantage while you don't end up on to many solo adventures while the rest of the party is bored. Also don't always scout ahead, do it some of the time while in a dangerous place, not while you are in the city talking to npcs or at the Kings banquet.

Funny thing is, around the 2:54 mark, all of the other Jacobs start slowly leaving the room, one by one. We don't see it happen because we then learn that all of the others are just figments in the rogue's imagination, and he's actually writing a book. Brilliant.

The "Is he stunned he should be stunned I stunned him" got me so bad

Seems like Jacob has mastered the simulacrum spell to make filming easier, good for you Jacob

What I like to do is act like a scout. That way I get to feel like a sneaking rogue who can do all of the sneaking shit alone like how I want to without leaving my party out of the fun. After scouting an area alone, I come back to the party so that we can then plan our approach together based on the information I found.

@OgdenM

Жыл бұрын

And steal stuff while scouting right? *grins* And if your slight of hand check sucks well... you start screaming for help from your party VERY loudly.

@DoABarrelRol1l

Жыл бұрын

I feel like if I play a Rogue that back would look all too tempting… not to mention that boulder perched atop a hill over their camp… I’d probably dabble in spellcasting so I guess I can use the often overlooked communication spells to inform the gang. That makes it a little more fun for me- maybe enough to stop myself from starting the party without them. Good thinking

@hugofontes5708

Жыл бұрын

Bard gets intelligence and buffs the rogue Rogue holds his breath, runs in taking a peek on everything, runs back to the party and tells everything in one breath Bards buffs the brawlers and on their merry raid they go

"I sneak away from the party." "Roll Stealth." "23" "You successfully leave the party without anyone noticing. Make a new character."

I have the concept for a rogue whose wife was killed by a noble and he lurks in the corner of a bar... Knitting. He's taken up knitting because the priests he's getting therapy from says it helps to keep himself busy instead of letting his mind dwell on dark thoughts. He's even made up with the noble, it turns out he's accepted his sentence for murder and has been also seeking penance. Now he wants to get out and start helping the world, but only if he can separate the violence of adventuring from his feelings so he doesn't end up replacing his past life with a future of death. Those few hours he spent lurking away from the party? He was spending the evening volunteering at a soup kitchen. He may be suffering, but he knows others don't have it any better. His past is dark and traumatic, but he's open about it because that's the only way to heal.

@meris8486

Жыл бұрын

I like it. But sounds a bit completed as a character, very zen. If I were bringing them to the first sessions I'm not sure where I could take them like development wise. Not that character development is necessary but it is something to look forward to.

@TheSuperRatt

Жыл бұрын

Hmm, that's difficult. Part of the fun of having a character is watching them grow (not always positively!), and go through an arc. Your idea very much seems like a completed character. That could still work, however, if they take a backseat and act more as a mentor figure to other party members. If being more of a background character sounds like something you'd enjoy? Conflict drives narrative, so if there's little conflict in his own narrative, that's a rather stagnant character. It's hard to make their backgrounds relevant in an engaging way. Also, I have a sneaking suspicion this character concept exists merely to subvert the expectation that a rogue must be an edge-lord. While that's not a bad thing in and of itself, remember to keep them interesting!

@richhobo1216

Жыл бұрын

@@meris8486 Yeah, if I were playing this character I would probably cut the backstory off after the first 2-3 sentences. His parents were killed, but he doesn't want to go down the dark path, even though it seems so much easier than being a good person. Over the course of the campaign, he would struggle with that conflict, with the bad part of him revealing itself at times. He would seek out the noble at some point to gain some sense of closure, only to find out that he's already paying for his crimes (or maybe he's dead, or got off scot-free). Over time, he would be able to put his trauma behind him and be a good person, being able to balance his violent tendencies without becoming a full-on criminal/psychopath. Or maybe he goes the other way, fully indulging the evil and becoming the same thing that killed his parents

@dtczyk8976

Жыл бұрын

God I hate it. Like I get it, it’s the anti rogue, but man that would get old quick

@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181

Жыл бұрын

The passifism aspect will get on the party and DMs nerves quick if you reallly stick with it... PC is a lil too completed and needs more room for adventure to get to that amount of growth. Maybe the Noble hired killers that were getting on his good side to try and squeeze him for his riches. Putting bad thoughts and attitudes in his head and getting him to do seedy things until he got ur wife killed for X reason. So now you seek revenge against the true killers. The madmen that did something horrific just for some gold and are "unsaveable". Gives your DM a mini-villain to throw in that could be working with BBEG too.

I now require a series in which, one by one, all of the classes take over as the DM using class tropes like this. You have one month to comply by uploading episode 2 or else... I will be very sad

@OgdenM

Жыл бұрын

This needs MORE likes so he does it!

@TheGildedFlask

Жыл бұрын

I can see it now, for a Paladin. Slowly but surely convincing the DM that they have strayed from the path of Righteousness. Yep. This should be a series.

@morphingninja

Жыл бұрын

The antics of a wildshaped Druid off on their own.

@Zamurkai

Жыл бұрын

Make it happen!

@jerzane5617

Жыл бұрын

He's already done the wizard, dare I say speak the name of his most powerful spell..... _fireball_

I had this happen in a campaign where I had a warlock familiar, and when it came time to do the very activity i got it for, the rogue was like, " ya well ur familiar can't scout with me because I'm too stealthy".

@voidx7349

Жыл бұрын

I'd have the imp troll the rogue. Have it follow around invisible poking enemy's and just having it scream at the worst time whenever they did edgy shit the part would hate

@yukikofujiwara2144

5 ай бұрын

That's why I mix it up and give my familiars magic items, like a wand of magic missiles.

I have only snuck away from the party once. We saw a fire in the distance. My party proceeded to argue over what to do for the next hour straight. I saw who caused the fire and reported it. Got the party caught up, initiative rolled, and we finally started playing.

@OgdenM

Жыл бұрын

I would have done the same. Actually, I think I've done similar stuff not as a rogue... after an hour of indecision I'd be like, "I'm done" and move the game forward. Honestly probably after 20mins.

You can prevent this by not healing the rogue the first 4 time this happens earlier in the campaign.

@M4GG0TK1NG

Жыл бұрын

In game consequences are the best way to curb toxic player behavior IMO. The smart ass character wont drop the schtick long enough to have a serious conversation with an important NPC? Welp his behavior offended the noble so now he's in jail. There's a time and place for every shenanigan and purposely doing it when it isn't appropriate or genuinely interferes with the game for everyone else deserves some form of mechanical or narrative punishment. "ThATs WhaT mY cHAraCtEr WOulD dO!" Yea and getting the shit kicked out of them by the group of burly sailors is the realistic result of that

@DeathnoteBB

Жыл бұрын

It sounds like the rogue doesn’t need healing

@geltric4779

Жыл бұрын

@DeathnoteBB Yeah, seems to me that the rogue was getting away with stealthing encounters and removing threats before the party knew what happened.

@MarquisLeary34

Жыл бұрын

You can also prevent it by saying "Rogues are banned. Suck it up, buttercup, this is a coop game".

@AuntLoopy123

Жыл бұрын

@@M4GG0TK1NG I agree, as long as you ONLY give the consequences to the person who did it, unless you have buy-in from the rest of the players. So, the cocky character insults the nobleman, and he sics his bodyguards on him? Fine, so long as he ONLY sics the bodyguards on the cocky player, and the others are left there, watching, and possibly laughing at the cocky player. DEFINITELY NOT laughing at the nobleman with the bodyguards.

I once tried to play a stereotypical "backstab the party" rogue but I hated it and after a single session I killed off my character so I could make a new one

@sylph8005

Жыл бұрын

I would've gone for a redemption arc

@azombie8mybaby

Жыл бұрын

In a campaign a few years ago, I "backstabbed" the party and made it up to them 3 or 4 times. Once costing another player all of their money, and another where I stole all their pants and shoes for no reason.

I love how the rogue’s speech was interrupted by the video ending 😂😂

DM: what class you playing? Jacob: Rouge DM: what subclass you taking? Jacob: DM

@TheEncouragementKid

6 ай бұрын

😂

The abrupt end kills me 💀

@gridlock489

Жыл бұрын

That was just the Rogue player appearing and stabbing the cameraman in the jugular

"My dagger vaporizes whatever it hits, plus whatever's connected to it, like a phylactery." Next BBEG is chained to the ground.

'monkey bar across the ceiling, and drop down unto the beholder'

I've had the conversation with a group before about how it feels like everyone else is wasting their day to witness what should be a side-session. I finally just got up and left in the middle of the session and told them to text me when it was my turn, and that was apparently the wake-up call. The Main Character Syndrome finally stopped after that.

@_lexi

Жыл бұрын

same here. flat out said i was bored with “The Fig Show” of her constantly sneaking off and us having to look for her to get the plot going again. always took things to a complete halt when she did it ALL the time.

I have a player like this right now. The weirdest part of it is that she is a completely normal and decent person outside of the game. She just decided to make a shitty character. We're trying to get her to be more cooperative but she's resisting because she doesn't want to "ruin" her character, and she refuses to retire the character. Obviously I share some responsibility as the DM and it's been getting out of hand.

@DrewTombs

Жыл бұрын

Advise her that it is a cooperative game, and perhaps her character is wise enough to know that they won't get far without the party's support behind them. For all my games I've told my players that if someone goes rogue (away on their own for an extended period) or the party votes their character out for lack of cooperation as the characters just dont like them for whatever reason, then they will need to roll a new one that fits the party dynamic better if they can't adapt

@theuncalledfor

Жыл бұрын

If this has been going on for a while, you have _most_ of the responsibility. You're supposed to stop this, you are not doing your job properly. You're letting your players down. _Fix it._ By any means necessary.

@lincolnjohn8227

Жыл бұрын

Simply be straight up with her. Tell her that she needs to be a cooperative player or at least be destructive in a way that isn't actively ruining the experience for others. The game is supposed to be an enjoyable experience for EVERYONE. A little mischief here and there is actually kind of fun, puts players in interesting situations causes dramatic conflict etc. but being a murder hobo isn't fun unless you're running a campaign where everyone is being chaotic. Another thing you can do story wise is make sure her character has an agreed upon personal goal/arc to complete that necessitates some level of co-operation e.g. she's been kicked out of her homeland for some mistake and the only way to prove herself is to earn some meddle of honor. If your characters attention isn't kept focused they'll start looking for things to do.

@freedustin

Жыл бұрын

DM: Well you've been separated from the party too long so a pack of wild grues ate you.

@Augerboy320

Жыл бұрын

You can try talking to her but a way that i found works is force character development. Basically set up a small arc that punishes her in game for acting poorly and basically tricks her into playing a better or more cooperative person. Just one thing after the other failing or hurting her or causing problems for her exclusively. Traps, hidden enemies, npc that are perfect counters for her, Situations that she doesn't have the abilities to address. Then have the group have comparably easy obstacles that they can complete together and it should hopefully force her to start playing differently. Otherwise just make her character get killed, kidnapped, etc.

I love how the wine rack is holding playmats instead of bottles

I had a concept idea for a rogue that could blend-in in the light but stand out in the dark Their personality was also more light than dark, and also didn't have a backstory that involve something bad happening with their parents

@yukikofujiwara2144

5 ай бұрын

That's a swashbuckler or inquisitive. Both good subclasses, the latter severely underrated.

There are rogues like this, and then there are rogues like the one in my party who is just a drunk gnome.

The campaing is just a long quest fetch to find the rogue

@_lexi

Жыл бұрын

uuughhh….

As a rogue player, seeing this makes me all the more happy that I discuss everything that I'm going to do with my party before I do it (and don't wander too far off)

@hugofontes5708

Жыл бұрын

What is the point of the zaniest shenanigans if your friends aren't there to enjoy, right? Also, coming up with crazy plans *for* your friends is great

@Bofrab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for actually playing with your party when playing a rogue.

@davidharms3929

Ай бұрын

Fr, I never got all the hate on rogues. I thought the types of rogues in this vid were pretty rare. Especially since I always played like you commented since starting playing as a rogue. All the other rogues in the games I've been part of never caused any trouble. For us the bards trying to sleep with everything or the paladin trying to be the mc has always been a thing, but was also never all that bad. I'm starting to think the class isn't the problem but the players who apparently can't control themselves to a point where some people ban rogues entirely.

I ran a dnd game around thanksgiving. The very first thing my rouge player did was hide from the party and went off to steal. They would have gotten arrested for stealing, but they had gotten inspiration earlier which allowed them to reroll a sleight of hand check. So I can say with 100% certainty that rouges do run off and get themselves into trouble like this.

You can tell you really enjoy your job because it shows in your work, and i love that.

The fact the rogue is fighting a freaking FALSE HYDRA

@knownas2017

Жыл бұрын

Rogue

@Shry99

Жыл бұрын

@@knownas2017thanks, I’m terrible with spelling

@knownas2017

Жыл бұрын

@@Shry99 Oh, don't worry! It seems as though 50% of people fall into that same trap. So, you're not alone!

I did this one time. It was in a city where its rulers where captured by a dark guild of assasins. My party mission was to free the city rulers, so I (halfling rogue) infiltrated the guild and for 2 sesions it was all about me and what I was doing. The rest of the party only did small things like keep being unnoticed by everyone and the like. They didnt want to mess my oportunities because I was rolling very high and making the right choices. Fun for my but boring for the rest.

@OgdenM

Жыл бұрын

For future stuff like this: Bring them in to the guild with you after awhile via some persuasion checks.

@TheAzrael666death

Жыл бұрын

@@OgdenM CHA and INT were my dump stats😅

@JM-mh1pp

Жыл бұрын

He was captured...by dark guild of assasins... captured...by assasins... okay one question...why?

I'd love for several D&D KZreadrs to be random NPCs in D&D movies. Just the chaotic energy would be so accurate

It took me like a minute to go wait, I just saw two of him. Then your characters talked over each other in a totally natural way. Very good editing, I've literally seen that done worse in successful blockbusters.

The thing I hate most about dealing with Rouges as a DM is high stealth and reliable talent

@DrewTombs

Жыл бұрын

Give the enemies darkvision, or have them facing a doorway sometimes. You can be a stealthy as you like but if I'm looking at the direction you're in, unless you're invisible, I'm seeing you lol. Or perhaps have them make a perception/investigation to notice and navigate objects on the ground that could make noise if not seen and kicked. Not every time of course. You can't diminish or inhibit class features all the time or it's pointless having them. But it stops them relying on it for everything expecting to be nigh on Invisible for every situation

@xselinisx

Жыл бұрын

@@DrewTombs As a rogue, taking perception & investigation is a must for me personally. Along with stealth of course. ^-^

@DrewTombs

Жыл бұрын

@xselinisx then you are equipped specifically for that type of sneaky business and get to do it well! But unless you get the rest of the party through, you'll be kinda on your own, or they'll run your surprise anyway lol. For scouting ahead I don't mind at all. That's kinda the point of a rogue (in my mind). But if they're planning to solo the place they'll end up captured, fleeing, or dead after so far probably. Unless it's like a little place - like stealing a letter from a house or something. I'm speaking more about huge dungeons or whatever.

@JessicaMorgani

Жыл бұрын

Rogues deal low damage... I will stop reading the comments now before I have a heart attack. Also, I hope you rogue player realises that you don't like his play style and starts playing a wizard.

@georgeclinton4524

Жыл бұрын

@@JessicaMorgani Not if you play a Rogue-barian. Just Reckless Attack every round to give yourself advantage and you can deal all your Sneak Attack damage every round.

This is why I Fireball every orphanage I see. To prevent more rogues from doing this.

@bobmuller3118

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your Service. Dearly, The BBEG

Bro invented d&d IN d&d

literally this, except the rogue in the party i dm for doesnt even care about the plot i write, he just wants to wipe entire encounters while he leaves the other two party members to die

1:55 the greatest “no” I’ve ever heard and will now quote for forever

I always found it odd that if your stats sucked in AD&D you became a thief. Now it makes sense. Also explains why rules for owning property and becoming a lord existed in AD&D.

i've never been a fan of those "we're a party and must ALWAYS stay together" types but the DM definitely needs to put a rogue in their place sometimes

@theaveragecomment1014

Жыл бұрын

I have to agree

@droman608

Жыл бұрын

Splitting the party and have combat with a bad partner (two spellcasters against barbarians) could spell disastrous.

@TechnoArpan

Жыл бұрын

@@droman608 and disastrous can be it's own type of fun

@chaoticdetectivepeach

Жыл бұрын

Yeah one of my teammates in a campaign is like that, where he's like you don't make decisions with any regard for the team, and then I have been they're just not aware of the high class bullshit I've been putting up with

The "That means there will be more rogues in the world" line absolutely broke me.

This is like being stuck behind a high-level Eldritch Knight in combat. Spell, rolling saves and damage and applying effects, bonus action attack, action surge, attack, attack, attack, bonus action to use a feat, debate rules with the DM, movement, "oh I forgot, I can teleport 30 feet when I take my action surge, so could I have just teleported there?", more movement...

THE ASTRAL PLANE?!

0:43 I had to DM a rogue like this, and it was the least amount of fun anyone has had at the table. The rogue going off to do their own thing and not telling anyone’s characters what they were doing, despite the players being able to see it, and everyone else had to just sit there for multiple hours wondering if they should just keep “looking” for them, or just finally meta game and go to where they know their character is. There were 4 other people at this table

@_lexi

Жыл бұрын

same here. would giggle and be all “hehe try and find me!!!” as the game came to a complete halt as we would have to search for them to get on with the god damn plot, which would ALWAYS end up failing (even with my druid with insanely high perception, she was a rogue so of course her +10 or whatever to stealth almost always was higher than what anyone could roll). super annoying and pointless to make everything stop so they can feel special for rolling a big number

@chaoticdetectivepeach

Жыл бұрын

Yeah sneaking away is dumb, and I ended up in a situation similar to the rouge under no fault of my own, the DM had me captured for story reasons during a prep session and I did literally everything I could to prevent it. But it literally ended like when you beat the first boss in Sekiro that you're supposed to lose to, where I beat 3 dudes wayyy fuckin tougher than me, then just got captured anyways. And so I was off in la la land fighting actual god for like 4 sessions while the party was taking a vacation to Italy or whatever. And I think having individual sessions on that was the way to go, because then they weren't just bored existing at the table while I was off doing silly spy shit and murdering Jesus cuz he threatened my adopted child who was a 4 legged 2 armed androgynous crab satyr, I killed him with a spatula... And also cancer. It was neat!

@Aredel

Жыл бұрын

And that’s when you say to them “either stop this shit and work with your group or you can go play by yourself.”

I have once done this entirely by accident. I didn't want to become a DM but we needed money and so I simply rigged the bbeg's house to explode so he wouldn't get in our way so I could set up a tavern. Yes I was playing a rogue

But have you had your rogue exit a fight in stealth, loot the entire room, replace the final loot with common cups and utensils from his bag of holding, re-enter the fight to assasinate the boss. Oh yeah, and no one at the table knew for years.

@OgdenM

Жыл бұрын

Sneaky!

This is like the exact opposite of my group where I try to sneak in tactically with the group but they get bored and go Leroy Jenkins instead.

"That just means there'll be more rouges in the world" I laughed way too hard at that

"Why are you all glaring at me?"

And the reason he had to keep stealthing away from they rest of the party: They were all playing Bards.

I would play my character like kuroko, always following the party and unintentionally disappearing from the groups perception and I don't notice until they start looking for me. Standing quietly by the group the whole time. All I want is friends, people who at least start looking for me. And I could make it a family trait that everyone from my family can do this as far as I've been told because no one knows for sure the size of the family, we are always trying to find each other.

@WannabeCanadianDev

Жыл бұрын

From Watamote?

@homerman76

Жыл бұрын

@@WannabeCanadianDev I'm thinking Kuroko no Basket since the main character, Kuroko, tends to go unnoticed by everyone, including his teammates, unless they're specifically looking out for him and even then...

@Robotron56

Жыл бұрын

That is pretty much how my rogue is, but because of meta reasons. Everyone wants their characters to be the main character and talk over eachother constantly, leaving my character silent the entire session until the dm has a npc do a 1 on 1 chat with them... until the other pcs barge in or interrupt to describe what they are doing elsewhere 😊

@OgdenM

Жыл бұрын

Oh, that sounds fun actually. The whole disappearing part is like just a natural thing. Ergo, you have to TRY to make noise and be noticed and you sometimes just forget to do so... and bam, no one notices you any more. I'd probably just randomly do stealth checks against their passive perception to make it a dice roll dynamic.

@uberculex

Жыл бұрын

@@Robotron56 This is always a problem in big groups when you play loners. This is why I never play loners anymore. Loners don't get to play the game outside of combat unless the DM specifically has you interact with stuff.

I play in a campaign where we had a Rogue like this. While the rest of the group was trying to work together even if our characters didnt see eye to eye on everything he always went off and did his own stuff which ultimately lead us into heaps of trouble. Now I dont have a problem with players doing their own thing from time to time seperate from the party but with him it was just too much. One time we just wanted to go from a tavern to the harbor of the city to get a get-away-ship (we were being prosecuted for things the rogue did previously). We rolled stealth checks and moved silently towards the harbor avoiding guards and distractions and that would have been it but the rogue had to split off from the group and go on an impromtu heist that took almost 2 hours in realtime while the rest of us were just watching since our characters didnt know what he was doing and didnt want to risk going back into the city. The player eventually left the group but in-game his character is responsible for the end of the world we have to avoid now.

Everyone knows Guacamole Gamerfart 9000 is superior to G-fuel

@gregbalisong4203

Жыл бұрын

This is a reference i understand

While I hate that there was a time (long ago) that I was sooooo that guy, I am now gladly very much reformed and the team player I'm sure my grade school table wished I was! 😂

That was possibly the best ad segment I’ve ever seen. So true

My rogue plays EXACTLY like this, like the similarities are eerie. He killed the major villain of an arc alone, before that part of the story even started, rerouting the entire campaign. He goes off to his own little things in the downtime to mess with the plot in the background, which caused multiple major shifts in the direction. He also started DMing shortly after all this - and with that, he broke the forever DM curse on me.

@chaoticdetectivepeach

Жыл бұрын

I kinda play like that, because my DM likes to kinda railroad a little bit, like for example one time he sent 3 really tough enemies at me, and I beat all of them but then one of them without using spells just phased through a glass door and when my non hand to hand combat druid character, got lucky and trounced them anyways by being a spiteful little bitch with a very powerful laser pointer, they reached through my body and magically negated my immunity to electricity, so they could capture me, and so I'll sometimes willingly make a decision in spite of what I know their planning, or make up some bullshit and insist it's true, to see if I can out play his railroading like one example is the time he wanted me to have a dilemma by making god threaten me, and my cocky ass called god on his bullshit and killed him, which I was needless to say NOT supposed to do, and another time was when he had a storyline planned to make me secret royalty with Amniesa and no idea it was true, but I made my character insist at every opportunity based on no evidence other than hair color that they were long lost royalty

I really like the framed maps as wall decorations, that's really cool looking. It's kinda subtly nerdy.

This guy saved the entire group like 10 years of gameplay content. That's a lotta free time :D

The double shot was on point, brilliant editing.

"Corvo Auditore" is not something I was expecting to hear today, but I'm glad I did in this context

And that's how DMs are born. True facts.

Now this ending was really funny and the perfect explanation why characters shouldn't be built to break the combat/skill rules. Golden!

This is why when I play rogue I’m usually trying for the friendly charmer who goes, “hey guys, should I check that out for us and report back?” Unlike some of my other friends…

The editing is getting better and better. Love these sketches!

Well this is the reason Rogues in my cmpaign have the highest death rate of all classes. Only thing that you can´t uncanny dodge is your own stupidity

1:44 I assume he placed his portable hole inside his bag of holding to reach the Astral Plane.

The Rogue created the DM and D&D 6E all in one fell swoop

the subtle line between crime-happy klepto loner, and property-agnostic team supplier is one i walk with care

Seperating the party isnt always bad and can lead to a lot of great story moments

@FentonHardyFan

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the party I play with splits up a lot. And we still have fun! And it’s not random, usually we have in-character reasons for splitting into two groups, (largely due to differing alignments.) Admittedly we seldom have someone go off ALONE. But even then it’s usually fine.

@Hejjo_7

Жыл бұрын

@@FentonHardyFan dang, you're lucky. Our party has 1 person split off constantly and there's nothing we can do about it. It ends up being 50% us trying to fight the BBEG or finding ancient lore or just doing something else productive, and 50% just him robbing some random dude for 1GP.

@FentonHardyFan

Жыл бұрын

@@Hejjo_7 Wow, that WOULD get old fast. I think my group breaks a lot of “rules” but we make it work somehow. Like the fact my Ranger ended up trapped by a legal contract he never even signed into owing the party’s Artificer a ton of money-and it was great! I think most D&D unspoken rules would say not to do that. 😜

"You've made orphans" "That just means there'll be more rogues in the world" God that's so funny and true it hurts

Jacob, your shorts are what carried me through the winter holidays, keep on being awesome

The only times I ever stealth away from the group...is when they're taking 20 to search a room that I've already checked and cleared of traps. Then I just search around the hallways carefully....then roll a nat 1 or something on finding an enemy patrol and die while my party mates are dozens of 5' squares away.

So true story about my last campaign... I made a very social focused rogue with expertise in persuasion who was a charlatan, and we had plenty of downtime in our campaign so I was able to carouse all types of social classes during our adventures. At about 6th level we killed a young dragon. Our ranger was able to salvage enough of its scales to make us a set of armor with it, and someone on the ship we were traveling with was skilled enough to make said armor while we were still traveling from a distant island back to the mainland. Anyways, so here I am now at 7th level, with specifically members of trading guilds who owe me favors, now just using my own time to try and sell this item at increased value to one of these caroused friends of mine. I end up getting one to basically play the middle man for me to sell it to someone who did have the gold and made a solid 100k at like, 7th level. This started a domino effect of me expanding my network of hirelings (that I already had loosely invested into at like 2nd level) that like increased my work force by like 5 fold, and by the time we were 9th level and putting down the BBEG, I'm now capitalizing on all the damage that had been done to multiple villages and cities. Ended up in the nation's capital (homebrew continent) so was able to carouse some nobles to buy some of their land and properties that had been destroyed during the war, and then we had a year time skip to connect that chapter of our story to the second chapter (at this point we've been playing like, once or twice a month for a little over a year now). By the time that year had passed, my rogue was the Bruce Wayne of that country. That whole snowballing currency thing mentioned in this video is VERY real, lol. After you buy a few houses and businesses, you basically just have crazy financial gains. One village was completely destroyed in the war, I basically rebuilt it to model Baldur's Gate since it was located in almost the exact center of the map with major roads passing near it and several rivers that split to the north east and west of the nation. So just built walls around it and abused some hirelings with what was basically a rug pull, and by the end of that year, the new city probably rivaled the capital as far as how much money it made in taxes, trade and rent.

@arena_sniper7869

Жыл бұрын

I hope the party was involved too.

@OlOlOIIO

Жыл бұрын

In my game of monopoly? Lol, not at all. We had enough to make two suits of the black scale armor, I took one, another took the other. We were the only ones in the party even able to wear it (I was a fighter multi class) so they didn’t really care. I just had my eyes on “purple armor, this will sell for a ton” My shenanigans was all my own thing. I made it my downtime. I didn’t make it anything that would distract gameplay at the table. So no. They had no clue I was building a financial empire the entire time, leaving shadow marks and map coordinates for my people after we (the party) would clear out certain ideal locations, so that they could come in after us, clear the bodies out, refurbish the location, and make it another stronghold of ours for business/trade routes.

1:10 ah, so that's how they reproduce

I think Jacob is stalking my campaign! One of the players I dm for has played 3 separate characters because he can’t help but become an antagonist and the latest one was separated from the party by teleporting to the astral plane alone. How did this video nail it so hard

the ending bit is so well done

I started as a rogue player who overthought, overschemed and overtold elaborate stories Im now the forever DM to attone for my rogueish crimes, so id say this overall was pretty accurate.

@chaoticdetectivepeach

Жыл бұрын

See I'm in a similar position but in reverse, I was the forever DM of my last group, and then I joined a new group, and became all powerful by complete accident, basically they were using a homebrew system that I had no familiarity with, cuz they know I'm the type of person who likes to look at stats and play the numbers game. And it was specifically designed around preventing me from doing exactly that. And I was just gonna do a chemistry dude. And they told me it wasn't strong enough and I'd be weaker than all the other players, and so I can also just grow plants and make modifications to my robot arm. And I most recently called actual gods bluff and beat him by myself through a series of events that I tried very very hard to resist. And now everyone is mad at me like it's my fault God outright came and threatened to kill my character and another player character. And I beat him. Like what was I supposed to do? Die? Instead I didn't diversify at all I just put all my points into a single skill until every single roll was a critical success and I literally couldn't be hit by anything

@doofs

Жыл бұрын

@@chaoticdetectivepeach LMAO freaking love it

The idea of a character becoming so strong they are the DM is super cool and I may steal that

@scienceface8884

Жыл бұрын

Halfling Divination Wizard with the Lucky feat will get you basically that.