You see, the US wanted to, but they couldn't demand territories that would exceed their war score over 100

@TheKeksadler

Жыл бұрын

Think of the overextension....

@shorewall

Жыл бұрын

@@TheKeksadler America was a newer player at the time. Nowadays they would know that overextension is just a number, and the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans prevent a lot of AE from generating in Asia or Europe.

@chubbycatfish4573

Жыл бұрын

Squashing rebels for the next 50 years or so.

@brandonlyon730

Жыл бұрын

Can’t wait for Victoria 3 coming soon this month, hopefully it's not a buggy disaster so fingers crossed.

@a12shotman

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonlyon730 "hopefully it's not a buggy disaster so fingers crossed." This your first paradox release? of course it's going to be a buggy mess

As a Mexican, I've never heard of Trist and I'm pretty sure nowhere here teaches about him. Thank you for sharing, I'll research more about his life.

@samueltrusik3251

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I am shocked that he isn`t more well known in Mexico.

@mlaag1

Жыл бұрын

La razón qué no se enseña tan activamente es que como estamos dominados por USA, pues no les agrada tanto ese tipo, porque gringo siendo gringos, ahora bien se puede decir que se apiado de nosotros

@matthewtymczyszyn8948

Жыл бұрын

As an American, this was a clearer and much better explanation of the war than what we had in school. I wouldn't cry over losing a few red states though. Why don't you just take them back?

@knightblade0188

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewtymczyszyn8948 that would end badly kid

@mortsnerd5100

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewtymczyszyn8948 Why don’t you just move to Cuba?

"Polk fired him. The problem was that Trist simply ignored him." Now THAT'S a baller move.

@wesleycanada3675

2 ай бұрын

tf they gonna do? march a army down to mexico city? oh wait

@Polskie573

Ай бұрын

he is of true American

@NYKevin100

Ай бұрын

What I do find surprising is that (apparently) nobody brought up the Logan Act, which Trist probably violated. The Logan Act is, of course, a polite fiction, and the US never actually prosecutes people for violating it, but oh boy do politicians love to shout about it whenever given half the chance.

@wittylibrarian

Ай бұрын

You could do this back in the days when communications took weeks. Trist could afford to ignore Polk during that time frame and hammer out a deal that favored Mexico but still secured territorial gains for the US.

They drew the line where the sky turned yellow... So we can tell the difference in TV shows

@Sam-me5pl

Ай бұрын

hahah

For those who don't know, the missing part of southern Arizona was acquired later in the Gadsden Purchase (1853).

@MrNitro071

Жыл бұрын

It was basically the Gadsden Robbery.

@gary_beniford

Жыл бұрын

Yes he should have mentioned that

@hectordelarocha10

Жыл бұрын

"Acquired" More like "Either sell it or we'll invade you again". Fuck the USA

@carlosi7026

Жыл бұрын

Yes. but first the american army invaded that territory.. then they made their demands...

@ultimateclutter7894

Жыл бұрын

We lost "la mesilla". :(

Polk's ambassador going against him and letting Mexico exist is the political equivalent of you telling your friend you want a 10 peice and they bring back a 4 peice

@David-qi1ys

Жыл бұрын

Are you calling me fat? Friend’s eyes: Yes

@andrasszabo1570

Жыл бұрын

What is a "peice"?

@shadowraven3253

Жыл бұрын

@@David-qi1ys Friend's mouth: Yes and now take two chairs and sit down.

@loveroffunnyy

Жыл бұрын

what?

@punkdigerati

Жыл бұрын

@@andrasszabo1570 a typo of piece, referring to the different sizes of McDonald's Chicken McNugget packages available for purchase

Trist just went "I'm the captain now" and saved Mexico's whole existance

@Finn_the_Cat

27 күн бұрын

I have a feeling that if the full annexation did go through the idea that it would be all slave territory especially as what would be dictated by the Missouri compromise would cause a far more severe form of bleeding Kansas wherein people are given a vote on whether or not they want slavery due to the fact people who were anti slavery already lived there unlike kansas who had little people living there. Much like Kansas this would cause an influx of people from north and southern states to come in likely coming to blows with the population causing riots and revolution potentially sparking the civil war early and seeing Mexico declare independence and joining the side that offers to keep it that way

In Mexico the educational system tries to not show any of this war to us as mexicans. Many of us only learnt that we had a war with the USA and that's it, but they never explained to us why and how. I am from a city called Monterrey and I did not know Monterrey was invaded in the Mexican American wat until I was an adult (it was a shock to realize Monterrey battle was one of the worse in the Mexican American war)

@freddyd17

Жыл бұрын

I wonder why the Mexican government doesn’t talk much about that war?

@ilikehardplay

Жыл бұрын

@@freddyd17 : Likely because they lost most of the battles, despite having more (and often better) troops... Their generals and politicians were more interested in fighting each other and scrambling for power than actually defending the country, such as it was.

@raymondpaller6475

Жыл бұрын

@@freddyd17 The Mexican gov't doesn't want to remind current Mexican citizens about it for the same reason there isn't any American Civil War memorial where Union general Thomas destroyed Confederate general Hood: the beating was so horribly bad, that it would be embarrassing to tell current day citizens of the area about it.

@edgargallegos4274

Жыл бұрын

@@raymondpaller6475 Also, Mexico lost that war so horribly thanks to the constant treachery of all the Mexican generals. If Mexico had been more cohesive maybe they would have lost but with a better outcome or proposing a peace treaty

@SSky06

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure part of it is also related to all of the "lost cause" and "ravangist" stuff around this ~100 year period. I imagine about ~20 years after this war Mexicans were teaching essentially "Yeah and then we fought a short war with America and lost, the end." Teaching broadly about this war, even today, would lead a lot of Mexicans to think "That's our land!" (to be fair, as an American, it is justifiably Native land, then Spanish/Mexican land, then American land, in that order) and/or "We should get revenge and take it back!" kinda stuff. Stoking ravangist notions amongst a populace isn't typically a good idea unless you have an extremely powerful state (and even then it's typically pretty bad), especially when it means ending up fighting the world's main superpower to get said revenge.

I could argue that taking the whole country would have led to a different version of the Civil War and might have ended, in part, with Mexico regaining its independence, while the rest of the US is distracted.

@axelprino

Жыл бұрын

That's an interesting set up for an alt history plot

@nicholasferguson6499

Жыл бұрын

Interesting! but I bet the Union would have just kept going once they polished off the confederacy. In Ken Burns' The Civil War, they point out that while the South was crippled by manpower shortages, mass desertion, bread riots, hyperinflation, in the North, Harvard and Yale were still having rowing competitions, they started the transcontinental railroad, continued westward expansion. My point being, they may not have been so exhausted by the war as to let Mexico regain independence without further conflict. It's kind of like how in 1944 or '45, before WWII had even ended Macy's released a consumer catalog. The UK wouldn't end rationing until the '50s and here US industry was already thinking of retail manufacturing. Then again, having the material, funding, manpower, and even experienced armies/generals in the field may not have mattered if the American public were too weary of war. If the public support and political willpower aren't there, everything else is sort of meaningless IMHO. What if Mexico had sided with the USA against the confederacy during the war though! Maybe there could have been a diplomatic play to bargain for independence!

@waidwml2166

Жыл бұрын

You know I was just thinking about this knowing the the politics the south would claim it and be so cruel to them that when it's time for the civil war Mexico would be more of a liability to the south with it's rebellions wouldn't be surprised if the north went as far as to let some of Southern Mexico be independent for helping the north win the war

@kevinyoung947

Жыл бұрын

@@waidwml2166 be hard for them to be as cruel as the Mexican government was.

@waidwml2166

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinyoung947 I know the Mexican government was going through power struggles that make Game of Thrones look like a Dr. Seuss book but I feel Thier racism along with Thier anti- Catholic sentiment would pair along with the fact that they wouldn't be considered human would lead to rebellion

Fun Fact: The famous Civil War general and later, President of the USA, Ulysses S. Grant served in the Mexican-American War as a Quartermaster. HIs first taste of combat saw a Mexican cannonball decapitate the man next to him. He personally resented the Mexican-American War as bold and greedy imperialist adventure. He viewed the American Civil War as a sort of punishment for the unjust war, saying: "Nations, like individuals, are punished for their transgressions."

@frederickoftheartic2209

Жыл бұрын

Bro witnessed a man right beside him get decapitated by a fucking cannonball and was still able to win the American Civil War and become President? I would've just suffered from extreme PTSD and became a homeless dude after witnessing that.

@dragonace119

Жыл бұрын

Man that guy was tough as shit then.

@chaosXP3RT

Жыл бұрын

@@frederickoftheartic2209 Ulysses S. Grant was famous for his stoicism. "Grant is a man of a good deal of rough dignity; rather taciturn; quick an[d] decided in speech. He habitually wears an expression as if he had determined to drive his head through a brick wall, and was about to do it. I have much confidence in him."- Colonel Theodore Lyman in a letter to his wife, March 1864.

@lennierofthethirdfaneofchu7286

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't he sharing the boat with LT Robert E. Lee at that time?

@mmneander1316

Жыл бұрын

Respect for that man.

Fun fact: Yucatan wasn't actually Mexican at this time, but was an independent republic with a cool flag, and the Yucatecan delegation in Washington actually offered to be incorporated as a state, Polk agreed and made a bill, but the bill never passed in the Senate, which is the reason why Yucatan never became a U. S. state.

@genio2509

10 ай бұрын

Yes, and we had to reannex to Mexico due to the Guerra de Castas, so as a state of the US things could have been controlled. I wish that bill was passed. Also, it is one of the few states with a flag, and we still use it.

@CualliIztac

Ай бұрын

​@@genio2509más vende patrias no se puede

@tetraxis3011

Ай бұрын

@@genio2509Como siempre los yucatecos demostrando su falta de educación. Si los Anexaba EEUU, lo primero que pasaría es que todos los Yucatecos perderían sus tierras. Así le pasó a los Tejanos de origen Mexicano cuando Tejas se incorporó a EEUU.

@B.e.r.u.s

22 күн бұрын

​@@genio2509no andes de lame huevos no te van a dar la residencia 😂

@B.e.r.u.s

22 күн бұрын

​@@genio2509no andes de lambizcon, no te darán la residencia 😂

Kudos to Nicholas Trist for having balls of steel and acting on his conscience. He knew that kind of unwelcome contest was wrong, and kudos to him for probably saving both nations an ungodly amount of bloodshed in any insurgency to follow.

Because they feared that they would lose funding from James bissonette or Kelly moneymaker

@concept5631

Жыл бұрын

James Bissonette is secretly Mansa Munsa and is maintaining the global market singlehandedly.

@Butter_Warrior99

Жыл бұрын

The biggest source of federal revenue lol

@blincake7386

Жыл бұрын

RIP David Archeologist

@galatheumbreon6862

Жыл бұрын

Uhm?

@SydneySprintFan

Жыл бұрын

@Corinthian James Bisonette is history matters?

Abraham Lincoln notably opposed the Mexican American War when he was a Whig because it would've allowed slavery to expand out west. And thereafter for the rest of his political career this was an issue that rivals and enemies would point out and use to one up him. The land taken was seen as good and even the Whigs who had previously opposed the war ironically nominated war veterans for the presidency on the basis of being war vets

@justvibing1601

Жыл бұрын

America loves her vets

@InfernosReaper

Жыл бұрын

@@justvibing1601 yep, up until it comes time to help them out with anything important

@balargus319

Жыл бұрын

In retrospect, now a martyr among presidents, it only serves to further bolster his memory

@charlesvigneron565

Жыл бұрын

Benjamin Lundy wrote a newspaper tract 'War in Texas' about the entire debacle.

@robertortiz-wilson1588

Жыл бұрын

@@InfernosReaper we have better care for vets than most countries around the world. Not that there's not big problems that could easily be fixed with enough brainstorming. There's also the fact that some people arguably get unfair discharges when they've been serving in one way or the other for years and lose that retirement.

Ironically there were also in Mexico a LOT of people that wanted war against the US, either for avenge Texas' loss and also bcz they wanted back Louisiana, given that when Nappy had sold those territories to the US, he'd sold also the SPANISH part of them. So a lot of generales and politicians tought that, with an army bigger than the US one, they could've gained back a lot of territories. Effectively the victory of the USA wasn't so foregone at the start, their army was very little and underfunded/undermanned(about 6500 men strong). P.s. One of the oppositors of the war was a young congressman, a certain ...A. Lincoln!

@varoonnone7159

10 ай бұрын

Nappy ? That's hilarious 😂

@SpreadingtheMuse

9 ай бұрын

I read all the aristocratic Eurotrash thought Mexico would easily win. Not just because of the bigger army, but because of the moronic "noble blood." Mexico was still ruled Spanish Oligarchs after their independence, the elitist uppercrust 1%ers. Since they had "breeding," naturally they'd beat the slobby Americans. This same self-absorbed myopia carried over into the Civil War twenty years later, where the southern plantation owners thought there was "no way" a Southern gentlemen could ever lose to a mere northern shopkeeper.

@hunterashwill-ng4ew

6 ай бұрын

Louisiana was a French territory. And we purchased it from them

@hunterashwill-ng4ew

6 ай бұрын

There’s a reason that French although in small numbers still exists in Louisiana and Creole exists in Louisiana… I think you confused it with Florida maybe?

@alessiodecarolis

6 ай бұрын

@@hunterashwill-ng4ew West of the Mississippi was spanish, then was "acquired" by Napoleon that sold the whole stock to the USA.

I really like these videos. They're short, concise, and give you enough so that if you want to go learn more on your own later, you can.

Ulysses S Grant once said “For myself, I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation. It was an instance of a republic following the bad example of European monarchies, in not considering justice in their desire to acquire additional territory.”

@Carlosk12

Жыл бұрын

Mclovin

@Dr.House92

Жыл бұрын

yep, everything Washington opposed, imperialism.

@aaronmarks9366

Жыл бұрын

Based chad Grant

@humansvd3269

Жыл бұрын

@@aaronmarks9366 not based at all. He was a corrupt asshole.

@jakepistolero

Жыл бұрын

And they continued to this day

My ancestors had the rather surreal experience of attempting to emigrate to Mexico from the U.S. as religious refugees, only to land in San Francisco and discover the U.S. had conquered it.

@dobbysboggart6883

Жыл бұрын

Onboard the Brooklyn?

@bigbloopboy8892

Жыл бұрын

That probably would've been a decade or two before the War I imagine

@dobbysboggart6883

Жыл бұрын

@@bigbloopboy8892 ... If he's referring to the Latter-day Saints aboard the Brooklyn, it was in 1846. They sailed from New York to San Francisco, to escape America's hypocrisy and find religious freedom. But, by the time they arrived, California was under U.S. occupation. At the same time, Brigham Young was leading the first LDS wagon companies in the Midwest.

@bigbloopboy8892

Жыл бұрын

@@dobbysboggart6883 Darn. Maybe Mitt Romney would have been President of California

@SONYUSR

Жыл бұрын

@@dobbysboggart6883 I mean shunning a system of child brides and polygamy isn't exactly hypocritical. Early Mormonism was pretty fucked...

As always 💡👏🧠🧠 I live for these short but insightful history videos.

As an American we lucked out with our neighbors to the south. Great culture, great food, great weather, beautiful country.

@coolguy9709

Жыл бұрын

​@@NataliaYaremchuk0816 you guys are both right

@TheFinalKnight1

Жыл бұрын

No disrespect to Mexico or anyone living in it, but the country probably would've been better off had the US taken the whole thing into their country considering the state it's in now.

@angelcabeza6464

10 ай бұрын

Enemies for life add that too

@genio2509

10 ай бұрын

​​@@NataliaYaremchuk0816 Correct, and don't forget to add crime as a daily encounter and shoot outs as background noice (ok, not that far) But the racist part isn't really true, each Spanish speaking country says in a joking manner that their Spanish is the best Spanish, and that the others are wrong (seems the same ehem US vs UK). And at least all the people I know are everything but racist, perfectly accepting anyone.

@genio2509

10 ай бұрын

​@@TheFinalKnight1 Yes, sadly the country itself sucks, the government is one of the most corrupt there are, and we basically don't have enough development to go ahead, we have mostly 0 safety in 30 out of the 32 states, and the economy is terrible. But we still have hope that maybe one day a not corrupt president will win and make change (like what happened with El Salvador) Here in Yucatán, right after the Texan independence, we also separated from the country (back then it also included current states of Campeche and Quintana Roo), out of wich Campeche and Yucatán are the 2 safe states I mentioned. And in the video, it also showed that the original plans were to anex it. So we were that close to being in a better place, but things changed and we had the indigenous people revel on the Gerra de Castas, wich forced the state back into the country. Who knows what would have happened, but at least right now these 2 states are actually good to live in.

I am not sure if you read comments suggesting video ideas, but have you ever considered making a video about the *_principality of Neuchâtel_* ? It was simultaneously a canton of the Swiss Confederation and a domain of the King of Prussia. It just seems like one of those little historical things that are rarely talked about but are actually quite intruiging.

@matthewtymczyszyn8948

Жыл бұрын

+

@somtimesieat2411

Жыл бұрын

Vic2 wildness

@schadowizationproductions6205

Жыл бұрын

I've been to Neuchâtel several times but I didn't know that.

@arthipex8512

Жыл бұрын

I'm Swiss and I didn't know about this

@Niceguy312373636

Жыл бұрын

Vic 2 moments

Polk: Get me this land or you’re fired Trist: I’ve recognized that the president made a decision, but given it’s a stupid ass decision, I’ve elected to ignore it

@robertrobert7924

Жыл бұрын

Where is Trist when we need him now?

@hkchan1339

Жыл бұрын

@@robertrobert7924 you cannot ignore presidential orders now that we have instant communications like phone calls

@stevenmaginnis1965

Жыл бұрын

The U.S. also paid Mexico $15 million or so for the trouble of fighting the war - conscience money.

@cosmictreason2242

Жыл бұрын

@@hkchan1339 bruh what, did you not pay attention to the trump presidency? Especially the behavior of the fbi heads?

@gorgon4061

Жыл бұрын

Don’t forget, also, Mexico was a catholic country.

Good Job Trist

Both Ulysses S. Grant and Robert E. Lee were loudly against annexing any land from Mexico. they both said the Civil War was the punishment the US had to pay for taking mexican land.

@chucksucks8640

Жыл бұрын

We actually paid mexico for the land.

@chuchin420

Жыл бұрын

@@chucksucks8640 no, it was taken, the US took advantage of a nation that had just finished a war with France and therefore was weaker from that war.

@ramirezr1982

Жыл бұрын

@@chucksucks8640 yeah let me go to your house hold a gun and ask you to nicely give your house for pennies, then say you paid me for it lol.

@sass1511

Жыл бұрын

@@chucksucks8640 Don't be a fool. America paid what would be less than $2 an acre in TODAY'S money.

@sleepybear7642

Жыл бұрын

@@chucksucks8640 ye but do you even understand why we paid?

On the topic of Mexico, it would be really cool to hear about Napoleon III and his attempts into trying to govern Mexico and his later life after the Franco-Prussian War

@Chrysobubulle

Жыл бұрын

he didnt want to rule Mexico. He tried to counter the anglo-american influence, because he knew that the world order had already shifted in favor of the anglo protestants. Establishing a catholic empire was a way to counter the american influence in the Americas and re-establish France as a protector of catholic and christian, as well as boosting France influence, prestige and power obviously. Napoleon III was a very devout catholic and many of his policies were directed by this. Thats why he forbade the Italians to take Rome as their capital as he deemed Rome was the city of the Pope. Or thats why he wanted the Ottoman sultan to declare him Protector of the Christians in the Ottoman Empire instead of the russian Tsar. And Napoleon III was right in his predictions; without a strong catholic country to back them up and protect them, all latin american countries fell prey to the US. The Mexican emperor had way more progressive and liberal policies than the so called liberators of Mexico, that were backed up by the US. The US have been a plague during the XIXth and XXth century to many many latin american countries, preventing social reforms, backing up coups and dictators, training secret polices, utterly corrupting the political life of those countries. And as this video very subtly points out, they did it without one remorse as they saw the latin americans as inferiors.

@Drewman56

Жыл бұрын

@@Chrysobubulle or latin americans are just terrible people who brought ruin to thier own nations

@nandreshiram2269

Жыл бұрын

@@Chrysobubulle thanks for the added information! I don’t know enough about Mexican History so this really helps kickstart my research!

@LilWastedWazard

Жыл бұрын

@@Chrysobubulle Always nice to see Maximillian get the respect he deserved.

@duolingo0552

Жыл бұрын

I’ve just read a brilliant book on that by Eudmund Shawcross

This bideo is so short I could learn all of the grades from this channel

Interesting. Thanks

What was Imperial Japan's reaction to the fall of Nazi Germany?

@felicitys3621

Жыл бұрын

“They lost” “Then why haven’t they all killed themselves yet??”

@Sol_Invictus_

Жыл бұрын

I believe it was something along the lines of "Oh no. Anyway"

@justinmcclung359

Жыл бұрын

Japan: Addy?? Hellloooo, Adolph??? I kind of pissed off the Americans here. Call me back...

@guillaumegiroux9425

Жыл бұрын

Well… shit

@elaleman2460

Жыл бұрын

They were furious and denounced the surrender. They then seized German property and any Germans in Japan had restrictions placed on them. They had did the same to Italy when it surrendered in 1943. Japan then stated they would continue to fight for their own self preservation.

James "I guess its okay if you secede" Buchanan. Comedy Gold in my opinion

@florians9949

Жыл бұрын

Followed by Abraham “not it is not” Lincoln.

@wossgwuanin8072

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that killed me lol

@thiccchungo1041

Жыл бұрын

Luckily Abraham “traitor hater” Lincoln saved us

@ohhellyeah2878

Жыл бұрын

@@thiccchungo1041 Nah, he sent 600,000 young men to an early grave needlessly. Fuck that guy.

@thiccchungo1041

Жыл бұрын

@@ohhellyeah2878 it definitely was not “needlessly” he did it to preserve the Union and to end slavery

I may be a Canadian but I'm also a history buff so I really always did wonder about this.

It would have been impossible for the USA to maintain Mexico, because even Mexico was struggling to maintain all its states together. I'm from Monterey and here we had the Republica of Rio Grande that tried to secede from Mexico, in the South they had the Republica de Yucatán, In Sonora they had one, etc. Probably Mexico would have been turned into different countries

@spartanx9293

Жыл бұрын

Three completely honest the United States probably could have taken the entirety of the north if it wanted to the north of Mexico in the modern-day is heavily dependent on the United States

@dominusdone5023

3 ай бұрын

nah its not impossible America can litterally do the impossible

@tetraxis3011

Ай бұрын

@@spartanx9293Heavily dependent no. But trade does flow through there

Woah this Nicholas Trist seems like an incredibly consequential historical figure that I had absolutely no knowledge of prior to this video. Thanks for sharing.

@pancholopez8829

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of Garvilo Princip, the teen who started WW1. Unremarkable figure who appeared out of nowhere, changed the world, and leaves the world without too much context.

@SpencerLemay

Жыл бұрын

@@pancholopez8829 yea but everyone knows who he was.

@clawcross

Жыл бұрын

A traitor.

@clawcross

Жыл бұрын

@@pancholopez8829 the serbs still thibk he is some kind of hero

@Matt_from_Florida

Жыл бұрын

@@clawcross Yep. They even "graffiti" his face on the walls! He's a freedom fighter to them.

I've legit never heard of Nicholas Trist, which is crazy considering how important he was in the result of a war that defined a lot of America's and Mexico's future. Honestly, with all stuff I have researched, its crazy how our schools barely touch on this war.

@erickalejandrotrechuelorui5610

Жыл бұрын

Because talking about this war is talking about how Polk wanted to create more slave states and bringing slavery to places where it was already abolished. There are no good moral lessons about this war. It was the Civil War the defining moment for the US, because it dealt with the two different visions of the country.

@NeostormXLMAX

Жыл бұрын

Because it shows how hypocritical and evil the usa is, especially when they talk about china lol

@kenozis

Жыл бұрын

Interestingly, Mexican schools also talk very little about this war.

@TheBetherCinema

Жыл бұрын

@@kenozis because it's embarrassing

@MrJohansen

Жыл бұрын

@@erickalejandrotrechuelorui5610 the purpose of teaching history isn't to teach "good moral lessons". The purpose of teaching history is to teach history. Theres no good reason not to teach about this war.

One was Mexico was Catholic and slavery was illegal.

*Fun fact: Baja California was included in the sale, but the United States eventually agreed to omit the peninsula because of its proximity to Sonora which is located just across the narrow Sea of Cortés.*

@reycesarcarino4653

Жыл бұрын

They didn't annex Baja because of Manuel Pineda a Guerilla General who had defeated US forces at the Battle of Mulege

@Nonamelol.

Жыл бұрын

@@reycesarcarino4653 That was before Mexico had been defeated after its capital was captured. If America wanted the California peninsula, it could’ve easily captured it. That fact stands true even today.

@reycesarcarino4653

Жыл бұрын

@@Nonamelol. Likely story but still the protracted resistance he led made the American hold on the Baja California peninsula unsecure, and prompted American statesmen to omit in the final peace treaty, their original demand for the annexation of Baja California and Baja California Sur

@KingJohnMichael

9 ай бұрын

It would have been like a second Florida lol

@johnhblaubachea5156

3 ай бұрын

The American army did occupy the northern half of Baja California during the war.

What is also interesting is that when the US occupied Mexico City, the Mexican government had evacuated and passed a law that anyone who surrendered would be considered a traitor and the treaty they signed would be null and void. After much scrambling, the US found someone who would sign (some undersecretary) because there was true fear that if Mexico didn't surrender, the US would annex all of it.

@AlbertoGomez-oi5ou

Жыл бұрын

It would be impossible for Americans to annex all , to control to much territory with a diverse population it would changed the cursed of civil war ...

@Day.Of.The.GroundBreaker

Жыл бұрын

*California is still apart of Mexico, it was never ratified.* For an interesting Hollywood blindside about this unknown fact -- go watch the two Zoro films starring Antonio Banderas.

@ravanpee1325

Жыл бұрын

So basically the USA was worse than the Russians today

@JuanDeLaRosaTV

Жыл бұрын

Why KZread hide your comments?

@Day.Of.The.GroundBreaker

Жыл бұрын

@@JuanDeLaRosaTV Because controversial things that don't necessarily violate their terms of service are quietly being stuffed away. I know of several people that were discredited, look at how KZread puts the Wikipedia banner right at the bottom of many controversial videos even ones on channels that aren't *against the flow* so-to-speak. People used to get banned for talking against c o v i d guidelines but now they softened that up.

"to manifest destiny" is my new favorite verb

Of course, the great irony was that it was Southern Democratic slaveholders who pushed hardest for annexation of as much of Mexico as they could manage, with the hope of expanding slavery into this new territory through popular sovereignty..... While Northern abolitionist Whigs fought them tooth-and-nail opposing the expansion of "slave power." Both ignored the fact that the Mexican population had its own distinct feelings about slavery.... They absolutely and implacably opposed it. The poor hated it, the Church opposed it, the middle class viewed it as an aristocratic affectation, and even the Spanish ancestry elites felt it was an institution whose time had long passed. And this played out dramatically in the places the US did annex. In point of fact, when it came time to decide whether California would enter the Union as a slave or free state, the American immigrant population split almost equally between Southern slavery advocates and Northern free-soil proponents. The tie was broken by the native Californio population, who pre-dated the Gold Rush of 1848.... Many who were holders of vast tracts of ranch land confirmed in their possession by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Despite the promises by Southerners that they could become rich via slavery and plantation agriculture, they universally rejected allowing slavery in the California constitution...or splitting the state in two with both slave and free sections. I've always wondered what would have happened if a few key Whigs would have actually understood that Mexicans would so vehemently oppose slavery.....and allow the Southerners to convince Congress to annex the whole of Mexico. Yes, there doubtless would have been revolts and uprisings... (...although between Bleeding Kansas and Mexico not being invaded by France in the 1860s, it is questionable whether they would have been worse than what did happen...) Likely, the cure for them would have been to push for statehood for 2-4 key regions, and the raising of militia companies of Mexicans led by American officers to put down revolts. With each Mexican state reinforcing their anti-slavery native beliefs. The American Civil War likely would happened even faster, as the Southern slave interests would find themselves outvoted even faster.....and sandwiched between two anti-slavery regions, North and South. Imagine the problems the Western Confederacy (Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma territory) would have had w/o being able to import weapons & military gear through Matamoros, Mexico....or worse, threatened by invasion along their Southern border by anti-slavery Mexican militias.

Polk: you’re fired. Trist: no.

Man showed up to work, got fired and decided he’d just finish out his shift the way he liked. You can write this type of tomfoolery and it’s what I love about history, Mexico and the US are only different nations because some guy ignored being fired and somehow managed to negotiate despite having no authority to do so 😂😂 Man did a little trolling and everyone just sort of shrugged and said ok

@jeremywilliams5107

Жыл бұрын

And his deal was then approved by the President AND a House that was dominated by the other political party.

@jacksu43-65

Жыл бұрын

Well Mexico probably would have rebelled in the 1st civil war either on side of the Confederates or more likely as an independent country

@brentmartin6833

Жыл бұрын

@@jacksu43-65 or the civil war doesn't happen due to a "Mexican Standoff"

@mr.poon.tang.92

Жыл бұрын

@@jacksu43-65 it would have been chaos, just include the French intervention during that time hahaha a 4 way battle. The Union vs Confederates vs Mexican liberals vs French and Mexican conservatives.

@Rayitolaser569

Жыл бұрын

Americans crying about not having all of mexico, the heck did I expect reading the comment section

let’s be honest the signs are what make the video like 10 times funnier

Amazing how one man's actions can impact the outcome of the world by that much.

As a Mexican, that thumbnail will haunt me for years to come. I also love history, and I've researched this topic a lot. Awesome video man!

@B-52H

Жыл бұрын

Mexican? No no no you mean American....

@superheriber27

Жыл бұрын

No sea payaso

@MintyLime703

Жыл бұрын

I mean the cartel pretty much runs a good chunk of your nation, do they not? I'd rather live under US jurisdiction thank you.

@saturn6563

Жыл бұрын

@@B-52H I’m American, just dumb, not fat, just dumb

@B-52H

Жыл бұрын

@@saturn6563 i defy all stero types not dumb knows geography not fat also not strong like the other half

I heard that the phrase "indigestible peoples" was used to explain the US’ desire not to annex such large tracts of Mexican land and absorb the populations thereof. And that sounds exactly like something they would say back then.

@Illmare

Жыл бұрын

Back then, and now, and in the future lol.

@slowmojo9355

Жыл бұрын

And eating Tacos and Burritos left and right,. The only thing indigestible is Muricans arrogance and pregideous towards other ppls.

@ontheroadwithtex7991

Жыл бұрын

Santa Anna was fond of telling foreign diplomats and American generals occupying Mexico City that Mexico was ungovernable except as a dictatorship because "Mexicans won't be ready for democracy for another hundred years" (he said that from time to time from about 1838 to 1848). The Treaty of Guadlupe-Hidalgo, formalizing the end of the war, offered the Mexican citizens in the newly acquired territory a choice of US or Mexican citizenship, although they could remain in place and retain their property even if they chose to continue as Mexican citizens. Also, the US paid Mexico $15 million for the lands ceded to the US, and at the request of the Mexican officials the US trained and equipped a new Mexican Army; and, the US assumed $3.5 million in Mexican debt owed to US citizens.

@elyenidacevedo1995

Жыл бұрын

Hey they were right it would have been a mess.

@danielparedes3459

Жыл бұрын

Indigestible? 😂 I mean… yeah… we fart a lot 😂

It was okay fr the United States to take 2/5 of Mexico but Russia can't have that chunk of Ukraine? Interesting

@ishbxr

2 ай бұрын

What about asking actual living people in Ukraine and not just theorizing? They firmly said NO way too many times

This video is like watching a very good South Park episode.

Wonderful video as always!

@812gingerable

Жыл бұрын

The man himself

@HeloFish

Жыл бұрын

Yee

@pabcu2507

Жыл бұрын

I love you

@Dragoon77

Жыл бұрын

We all love you

@MrGreatplum

Жыл бұрын

I love that you have 1.81 subs but no content, such is the fame of James Bissonette!

As someone at the time said, what the US wanted was the maximum of Mexico with the minimum of Mexicans

@beastmode6609

Жыл бұрын

sounds about white

@comona

Жыл бұрын

@@beastmode6609 I think it was for the best

@beastmode6609

Жыл бұрын

@@comona I guess now Mexicans disregarding USA immigration laws is also for the best.

@comona

Жыл бұрын

@@beastmode6609 why would I want our country flooded with 3rd worlders? Wouldn’t it be best to just enforce immigration laws like every other nation on the planet…

@Art3615

Жыл бұрын

Mexico is Mexico. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California is Maximum Mexicans. Mexico lost the battle, but baby they won the war.

Interesting!

Missed opportunity

@tetraxis3011

Ай бұрын

@bernardm_88Of course a Neo Confederate loser would say that.

Winning a war is one thing, occupying and governing a nation that has a different language, culture, governing philosophy are two way different things. I suspect they were smart enough to realize than in the long run, it would have been more trouble than it was worth.

@heinrich6294

Жыл бұрын

Yes and in the video is was not explained that the areas except Tejas were very very thin populated, they were not proper colonized. So no Mexican resistance in those regions.

@santiagomurillo7551

Жыл бұрын

History Matters just sugar coatef everything. The US just didnt want to govern a huge population of non-protestants people of color lol

@peterroberts4415

Жыл бұрын

@@heinrich6294 and the Yucatan. That area had a fierce native resistance that caused major headaches for the Mexican government

@FernandoGomez-hg4rn

Жыл бұрын

Well, they managed to govern California (et al) well enough, which had the same language, culture and governing philosophy as the rest of Mexico.

@thomasdaley2929

Жыл бұрын

The Mexican pop. was over 7M strong so it wouldn't have been an easy occupation.

Bless you, sir, for always using "raises the question" instead of "begs the question".

@rodjones117

Жыл бұрын

hear hear - absolutely right

@crash.override

Жыл бұрын

Meh, the old sense of the term is moribund anyway.

@WowPlusWow

Жыл бұрын

Who cares?

@rodjones117

Жыл бұрын

@@crash.override Yes - the old sense of "begs the question" is over. "Begs the question" now invariably means "raises the question", so why not just say that? As he does (so full marks)

@rodjones117

Жыл бұрын

@@WowPlusWow Well you don't, so why bother with this comment. Nothing better to do?

As a dual citizen Mexican American I am surprised I never even thought of that question. Man, history is important.

highly interesting

Nicholas Trist still working as the Official Envoy for the US despite being fired is amazing. He knew that the fate of two nations were in his hands and didn’t want to be the man to wipe a nation off the face of the planet and from history.

@sojourner.

Жыл бұрын

To be fair Mexico would have existed even if the US went by Polk's wishes. It just would have been _considerably_ smaller instead of a little.

@alantorres3601

Жыл бұрын

@@sojourner. also poorer

@sojourner.

Жыл бұрын

@@alantorres3601 In land value? Yeah definitely. The US probably would have been paying more for more land though.

@alantorres3601

Жыл бұрын

@@sojourner. With Mexico's that Polk wanted you are taking a lot of the land that generate big parts of Mexican's current economy. It would be a Mexico without its Oil, without the big tourisms generated by Mayan Riviera, Cabos, Mazatlan, Tijuana; and without the big industries that are located in Monterrey and other cities in the north. Just Monterrey is one of the cities that gives a lot of taxes to the nation. At the end, Mexico would probably be pretty similar to Guatemala or El Salvador in terms of economy if Polk had gotten everything that he wanted

@elyenidacevedo1995

Жыл бұрын

@@sojourner. yeah I'm glad it came out the way it did.

You forgot to mention that sentiment for annexing Mexico was very strong in Washington and many other parts of the country. It was largely through the efforts of John Calhoun and other South Carolina officials who strongly argued against annexation that quashed the movement. Calhoun vehemently argued that the United States should be a white country, and that Mexicans would contaminate that ideal.

@freddyd17

Жыл бұрын

How very racist of them.

@greenisgold1322

Жыл бұрын

Wish they would’ve, then we’d have more beautiful blonde blue eyed Tejanas/Chicanas everywhere up & down the country.

@soupfan1

Жыл бұрын

As a mexican i am glad that their racism played against them and allowed me to be a mexican.

@danielwarren3138

Жыл бұрын

@@ivangarcia1327 ¿Que?

@Stroggoii

Жыл бұрын

@@ivangarcia1327 lol americans call half the country nazis/commies and accuse their closest friends of the vilest shit every 2 years just because they wore a hat of the wrong color. There is no country more divided. Catalonians will break bread with Spanish Royalists before a Democrat accepts a Republican as a fellow human being.

The Yucatán peninsula is such a weird formation.

Damn good

AlternateHistoryHub needs to do a video on this. If there's no Mexico, there's no Zimmerman Telegram.

@LemonAiden

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the Zimmerman Telegram would've been more of a "If you revolt and cause chaos and instability in the Americas, then we'll guarantee your Freedom." Kinda similar to what the British did against the Ottomans.

@Wertzuio

Жыл бұрын

yeah but the british would have found a way to pull the us in anyway...

@smarrkidd5538

Жыл бұрын

Germany was already sinking their boats and also the UK and France had depts to pay to the US that they couldn’t if they lost

@flyngbee4777

Жыл бұрын

Its not like america could hold mexico anyway... The public perception was alredy shifting to an anti-war instance. Together with the slavery question and the segregation of the catholics the US would lose control of mexico after some time. With a high risk of breaking itself in the process

@nobleman9393

Жыл бұрын

No Taco Bell

You should do more videos about Mexico ! We are full of crazy historical events 🇲🇽

@Arturo939

Жыл бұрын

Que patético ir a "conocer" la historia con los gringos (y su perspectiva) teniendo aquí en México varios historiadores (de varias perspectivas, tanto nacionales como malinchistas)

@abrahamg3354

Жыл бұрын

Like what?

@dvdortiz9031

Жыл бұрын

@@abrahamg3354 trail of tears, Albert pike, freemason boss over Andrew Jackson, etc. buffalo soldieres, Somoza dynasty in nicaragua, Bumarack ruling for 30 tears in Egypt, etc. etc.!!!

@botmexicanpatriot

Жыл бұрын

@@Arturo939 Amigo, es solo un video de historia rapido, velo o vete al d1ablo

@BruceLee-xn3nn

Жыл бұрын

My wife is from michocan, theres still alot of crazy 💩 going on there.

Huh, I wish that Trist had been mentioned when I was in school.

Damn Mexico won the lottery with Trist lol.

@oliverharryjack

Жыл бұрын

They were invaded in 1916 Hahahahaha Damn the USA because Russia doesn't erase them from the map at once 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@marbl3d45

21 сағат бұрын

@@oliverharryjackwhat?

Suggestions: 1) How good were the five good emperors of Rome? 2) Why did Denmark-Norway ally with Napoleon? 3) Why didn't Portugal fight in WWII in spite of its alliance with Britain?

@Sceptonic

Жыл бұрын

1) Alright 2) Because Britain destroyed their ships unprovoked 3) They were fascist leaning

@Internet_Canuck

Жыл бұрын

There's actually a story behind the third one. Portugal actually offered to uphold their treaty during ww2 but Winston Churchill rejected their offer fearing that it may cause Spain to side with the Axis and leave no friendly countries on the continent.

@adilmohammed6897

Жыл бұрын

@@Internet_Canuck yup, there was an interesting speech and stuff

@JoinThe_BingvinArmy

Жыл бұрын

2) didnt denmark join the war against the brits

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

@@Sceptonic MARCV AVRELIVS WAS AMAZING in how bad a father he was. Too busy giving advice on beign a parent. And while he let Romans murder Christians, he was too busy to stp that nonsense because he was riting about virtue and justice. PFF!

Some guy just being like "nah" and deciding to act out alone based on nothing but petty, moralistic spite, is the most American thing ever. Clearly, he was destined to succeed.

@paullim1933

Жыл бұрын

he wasn't acting out on petty moralistic spite, he was acting out of a deep conviction that America was a republic and not one of europes old kingdoms. A republic must answer to it's people. a kingdoms subjects must answer to its king. see the difference? I'm glad he didn't take mexico proper.

@soffren

Жыл бұрын

@@paullim1933 I'm also glad he didn't take all or most of Mexico as well, and I understand his motivation, but conviction is just another form of moralization. If it makes you feel any better, I don't think he cares, as he's long dead.

@elyenidacevedo1995

Жыл бұрын

@@soffren fr I'm just glad Mexico exists this happened a very while ago.

@NeostormXLMAX

Жыл бұрын

@@paullim1933 no americans like him exist anymore, america has always been an empire disgised as a republic

@Rayitolaser569

Жыл бұрын

And Americans still try to say USA is not an empire. You guys are as bad as the Soviet Union, just that they didn't try to look like a "liberator".

I will forever appreciates this channei. I think it would be great if there were only 10 million people in the world , or less . I'd love to live in a place with abundant natural resources , no war , and a meditative lifestyle . And some nice cannabis sativa stands .

@Mayageorge21278

Жыл бұрын

Our government has no idea about the inflation in the country , This administration lack the internet of the citizens , most families are struggling to survive ,.

@Gudrun_micheal

Жыл бұрын

You are right ! Investment is really helpful because it set a good path for our children , recently I was watching a video on one channel and came across Ms Lauren Molk testimonies that got me invested with a massive return as profits .

@SHERYLMAYA21

Жыл бұрын

@Maureen O'Hara how can I reach this adviser of yours? Because I'm seeking for more effective investment approach

Sorry, but the Whigs having taken over the House in 1846 wouldn't have affected the Treaty's likelihood of approval. The U.S. Senate, which has sole authority to approve treaties, stayed under Democrat control, and in fact the Dems gained seats (remembering that Senators were chosen by state legislatures at this time). Polk's reason for going along with the treaty was that, due to slow communication and travel times, he might have been out of office by the time it could be renegotiated and approved by the Senate. He had already pledged to only serve a single term, and if a Whig had won the presidency in 1848 (which happened), that new president (Zachary Taylor) would almost certainly have preferred to annex less territory (if any) to avoid continuing conflict over the legality of slavery in new territories.

@enespanolporfavor6263

Жыл бұрын

This. If you know about the structure of U.S. government, the bit about getting the treaty through a hostile House is nonsense.

A little piece of Mexico - now part of southern Arizona and southwestern New Mexico - was added five years after the U.S.-Mexican War, The Gadsden Purchase was negotiated in 1853 to add land that would allow a railroad from New Orleans to the Pacific. That land purchase, negotiated by James Gadsden and authorized by President Franklin Pierce, finalized the borders of the current 48 contiguous states of the Union.

The civil war probably would have happened a bit earlier if Mexico was annexed. Could also see Mexico using that chaos to then fight for independence as well

@hiimjustin8826

Жыл бұрын

I don't know why you assume Mexico would want to be independent from the U.S.

@nohbuddy1

Жыл бұрын

@@hiimjustin8826 Because they're a vastly different culture and probably wouldn't want to be ruled by white supremacists?

@aaroncousins4750

Жыл бұрын

@@hiimjustin8826 idk, cos they dont have much in common?

@ivanvladimir0435

Жыл бұрын

@@hiimjustin8826 You talk like they wouldn't be used as slaving states despite being a young nation that fought to be free just to later on be defeated in an unfair war

@hiimjustin8826

Жыл бұрын

@@aaroncousins4750 um immigration rates would suggest Mexicans are able to look past that

Imagine the amount of stars that would have to be added to the American flag if all of Mexico was annexed 😂

Love this part of history. Yerba Buena aka san frasisco.

Trist is a man worthy of respect.

Trist: "America can't be both a Republic and an Empire." Papa Teddy: I'm about to do what's called a pro-gamer move

@seneca983

Жыл бұрын

Even before Teddy's term there was the Philippine-American War. Well, the war continued into his term but it had started during McKinley's term.

@Hand-in-Shot_Productions

Жыл бұрын

@@seneca983 So the republic-empire began under McKinley! Thanks for pointing it out!

@purplespeckledappleeater8738

Жыл бұрын

Teddy Roosevelt was not an imperialist. He was the original Trump and leader of the original Progressive Movement, which were mostly Republicans who were focusing on social problems and fixing the major problems of the Gilded Age because Americans were so poor they couldn't feed their families. Teddy Roosevelt fought the monopolies and corrupt politicians. The geopolitical situation was also destabilizing because the European colonial empires got stronger after carving up the continent of Africa and the Unification of Germany meant the German Empire was competing with the British Empire. The invention of the ironclad during the American Civil War revolutionized naval warfare and acted as a great equalizer. The enormous wooden sailing fleet of the British Empire had to be constantly rebuilt by more and more costly steel warships in a massive arms race between European empires. This meant European powers needed more money and were more aggressive. America had to join in and be strong or end up in a major war.

@ElBandito

Жыл бұрын

@@purplespeckledappleeater8738 'Trump' and 'progressive' do not belong in the same sentence.

@purplespeckledappleeater8738

Жыл бұрын

@@ElBandito Lol, okay. Still Teddy was the trust-busting monopoly destroying big stick-yielding moose-riding badass of the Progressive Era, which led to the economic boom of the Roaring '20's.

LMAO "I guess it's ok if you secede" Buchanan!

History always is a bit awkward when you’re a Texan Mexican

@SamAronow

Жыл бұрын

¡Viva Seguín!

@Fullmetal.Alchemist

Жыл бұрын

Tejanos Unite 😉

@bruhbruh-us6gl

Жыл бұрын

Tejano Gang

@michaelverbakel7632

Жыл бұрын

Before 1848 California and Texas used to part of Mexico. Maybe with the way the U.S. is right now they could rejoin Mexico. Actually I think that they might be happier doing so.

@mikewalker678

Жыл бұрын

A Texican, if you will.

Even then, America knew they heeded a buffer between El Salvador

@email5023

2 ай бұрын

*needed

Trist's negotiations are a perfect example of "it is a joke, but if you want, it is not a joke."

An important reason why democracies find it often difficult to annex large chunks of territory: All the people you just annexed can now upset the balance of power in your own legislature.

@no_more_spamplease5121

Жыл бұрын

This is why Lithuania never annexed Kaliningrad.

@Makofueled

Жыл бұрын

This is why northern Irish elections had property qualifications. So a democracy could discriminate not specifically on religious grounds (which would cause even more unrest) but obfuscate the discrimination since protestant populations were the vast majority of landowners, even though they were nominally less of the population in many areas. Gerrymandering is another good way to go about it, but these likely wouldn't have worked in the Mexico case without time for WASP populations to migrate to the region (assuming they were even willing)

@longiusaescius2537

7 ай бұрын

Great pfp! Did you draw it?

I'm purely wondering what the economy would look like if all of mexico was annexed/or turned into a state and each state in Mexico becoming a county it'd certainly look different

@genio2509

10 ай бұрын

Although Mexico is too big to be a whole state, and most states don't have enough to be an independent country, some even have to import water from neighboring states most of the year (all the north ones)

I have this on my assignment

This channel never ceases to answer questions I never asked but still want the answer to anyway

Thank you! Fast, direct and informative! Do more!!!

“There were many [American] politicians who were worried about a sudden influx of non-white, Spanish speaking Catholics upsetting life there.” … the more things change the more they stay the same 🤦🏻

Damn, i wish we would've gotten Cozumel.

I'm an American and I'm very happy we didn't seize all of Mexico. Not only does it have a unique identity, but considering its history of rebellion, it would have likely been a nightmare to keep and would have potentially crippled the US. Similar to when Napoleon conquered Spain but it cost a lot of troops to keep and weakened his capacity for war.

@balargus319

Жыл бұрын

It would have also been a permanent moral stain on our conscience. If we oppose wars of conquest waged by others, we must oppose them for ourselves too

@bruhbruh-us6gl

Жыл бұрын

@@balargus319 Not really

@balargus319

Жыл бұрын

@@bruhbruh-us6gl I must agree to disagree with you then.

@MrLeemurman

Жыл бұрын

@@balargus319 We didn't have a problem conquering the natives, nor taking over the Phillipines. Don't think it would have mattered.

@balargus319

Жыл бұрын

@@MrLeemurman The native Americans were not so much conquered as they were displaced or driven to extinction.... Dare I say, little individual acts of Ethnic Cleansing. From the very start, the US was never entirely clear on what it would do with the Phillipinnes. By the 1930s, they moved on the path to granting it autonomy with the goal of eventual independence. WW2 interrupted this, but after liberating the Philippines from the Japanese (who had completely destroyed whatever welcome mat they may have received), the US made good on its promise in 1946 iirc.

"This is the deal, bite me" true history right there

Thank goodness. It’s already a mess. Having the border further south just would have made it worse.

My people would be banking right now. Nice house, nice car, nice everything!

Imagine how even more dangerous the Civil war would be.

@Syn410

Жыл бұрын

I'm confused on what this would have meant? Would former Mexico have partnered with the Union considering it's anti-slavery stance? Or would they just seize back their lands while the troops were fighting eachother (and possibly attacked our country once both sides were heavily damaged)?

@goobot1

Жыл бұрын

@@Syn410 mhm, I think most likely the most Mexican populated areas would try to rebel and even try to sign deals with the north to supply them in return for their independence. Most of these regions would prob be more southern so the us of today would include Baja California and prob more land around Texas, Arizona and New Mexico. That’s of course assuming that the us wouldn’t just go back in and take it back after the war.

@neewk

Жыл бұрын

The Confederacy would have more resources, better logistics. But given that it would be very unlikely for mexicans to fight in favor of white enslavers, I'd say the man force would be pretty the same, given the time window

@thebandit0256

Жыл бұрын

The Mexicans would fight with the Union since they abolish Slavery so the South would had lost no matter

@remogatron1010

Жыл бұрын

@@neewk You forget about Belize my friend. Belize was a British Colony at the time and the British were sympathetic to the Southern cause. In our timeline, Belize sent guns and ammo to the Southern cause. Imagine having the Southern control area bordering Belize at that time. When the South lost the war. The Country most Southerners fled to was Belize where they were given farming lands and tax incentives as well.

Disregarding the civil war, how would WW1 be like? If there is no Mexico for Germany to get caught sending a message to, how would it affect the war?

@shamwow9889

Жыл бұрын

Don't worry they'll make a reason

@ItzMiKeKirbY

Жыл бұрын

Probably wouldn’t change much. It’d go from taking back land lost to regaining back independence.

@_chew_

Жыл бұрын

The USA might not join the war, but Germany and the central powers would still lose. It would just take a little bit longer. The war itself would probably not be affected much. The post-war situation is a different story, though. With no American involvement in the war, there would also likely be no American influence on the treaties that shaped Europe after the war, so Woodrow Wilson's 14 points wouldn't exist or be relevant, and many of the new countries that were given independence after the war might not have been given it or their borders might look different.

@thorin1045

Жыл бұрын

@@_chew_ well, yes, but no, the main issue, it is too far in this what if, the civil war in the usa would be an entirely different thing (could be a three way run between mexican independence added, or mexican and south seceding and both against the north or any other combination or just not even happening, also with many more chance for foreign interference) and from there, more or less the entire history changed.

@angelgjr1999

Жыл бұрын

This would have never lasted. France invaded Mexico shortly after this American Mexican war, with plans to take the US. I can imagine Mexicans welcoming French soldiers in exchange for freedom.

Why did this video pop up in my feed now during the usmnt vs mexico game

One quibble: the reference to the treaty passing a hostile House. In reality, the peace treaty, like all treaties, only had to pass the Senate. The House has no voice in whether a treaty passes or not.

"imma negotiate peace with Mexico" "no! you're fired" *"did I stutter?"* negotiates peace anyways like a chad

@mayukhmitra5819

Жыл бұрын

When he was being asked by polk about why was he still negotiating, he wrote 48 different excuses just to stay there.

I teach about the Mexican War to my Dual Credit US History class in two weeks. This video is now apart of my slideshow notes. Gracias!

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

School is obsolete in most cases, except that they're businesses, and most people are stupid so they believe taht you can't teach something unless you have a paper saying yuo can teach it. So how did the first man to get his degree, get his degree, if we need them to be correct or good at anything?

@themilkman7520

Жыл бұрын

@@scintillam_dei L+Bozo

@Sandlin22

Жыл бұрын

Well you'll want to add alot of context

@cwovictor3281

Жыл бұрын

@@scintillam_dei My guy I'm really not sure what you think is gonna happen by telling that to a teacher. What do you expect them to do?

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

@@cwovictor3281 I'm a teacher too. I'm honest enough to admit that school is obsolete in many cases.

Damn. When Mexicans come to California, they are basically coming to former Mexican territories. Pretty cool.

If I wanted more territory taken I just want Baja California. Don’t have a good reason I just want it.

Nicholas Trist sound like a decent man.

So it basically boils down to everyone growing tired of the whole ordeal and going "ugh FINE whatever" at the first reasonable proposal.

Better than any other KZread video with the search Trist. Except for not including Peonage, and the dictator that us sent from Cuba in exile to Mexico that double crossed the USA.

That polk was like... steal as much as you can

@Kat-fq4ei

3 ай бұрын

Polk conquered, the winner has always taken the spoils...

Largely because they’re a completely different culture and we knew that there’d constantly be regional separatism going forward.

@tomlxyz

Жыл бұрын

It also used to be different before the European came

@Galahad_Du_Lac

Жыл бұрын

@OtterMarten Unfortunately that was sabotaged like he said in the video.

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

Another person who doesn't use the word completely correctly.

@MedK001

Жыл бұрын

@OtterMarten What/where is Tamico? I looked it up and couldn't find anything