Holler is actually one of my most favorite Spice Girls songs. Let Love Lead the Way is amazing too. As for their solo songs, I adore Geri and Mel B's fun music so much

@rvegas81

Жыл бұрын

I was completely surprised as well. I remember renting the cd at the library and thinking to myself? Man you don’t hear about the spice girls anymore. It was the year 2000. Too much!

@dierto

Жыл бұрын

Mel B put out the worst Songs of Them All

@irina1296

Жыл бұрын

@@dierto Her debut album was catchy

@eggnbaconnn4919

Жыл бұрын

Fun fact - Geri and Mel b were in a 1 year secret relationship. I don’t know if it’s a fun fact but it’s a fact 😂

I totally agree - after Geri left, the band was completely stripped of their image and individuality. Of course they were growing up as women too but that uniqueness that gave them their infamous monikors didn't apply at all during the Forever era. I was one of those fans that held on into 2001 (I was 16, I converted to S Club - Simon Fuller must've been thrilled! 😆) and I remember how painful it was seeing that they no longer had the desire to continue the group with the same commitment. Plus as you pointed out I just couldn't see them competing with Britney/BSB/NSYNC in America are they were chasing that 'R&B' sound on Forever. Great video - I found your channel on recommended you do a great job!

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for your kind words 😀🙏

Mel C said a few times that the beginning of the end was when Geri left. Geri was the weakest in dancing and singing but she was the soul of the spice girls, she even came up with the name. I once played Schizophonic to friends who had never heard about it and they said "this sounds exactly like the spice girls"...Part of the success I think was the simplicity, the catchiness of those pop songs and I think to some extent they were produced around Geri because of her limitations. The choreographies even, which made it easy for kids to learn as well. They were also already distancing themselves from their personas even before Geri left, I wonder what a third album would have sounded like with her. Great videos btw Jonny!

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes very good point - Schizophonic does sound like the third Spice Girls album. It would’ve been interesting to see what a third Spice album would’ve sounded like with Geri but I guess we’ll never know.

@ninanano

Жыл бұрын

Geri was a great marketer I don’t think even she realized that

@Marc-zi5cq

Жыл бұрын

I don't think she was the weakest vocally but people are allowed to disagree. She was a very good songwriter for the group, that is out of question and her voice is very distinctive so yes, she took all she gave to the Spice Girls when she left and made Schizophonic and it sounds more like a proper Spice Girls third album than Forever does. They seemed clueless about who they were once she left, trying to become an american sounding R&B group. Also they just did not look like Spice Girls anymore once Geri was gone. From an aesthetic point of view, the redhead really made it Spicy. They looked pretty ordinary on Forever. The Spice was gone.

@irina1296

Жыл бұрын

And you believe anything Mel C says ? Mel C always criticized Geri, Victoria and even Mel B. She wasn't as beautiful as them and I'm sure, she was the least popular spice girl in the band. In my country no one claimed Mel C as their favorite. It was all about Geri, Emma or Victoria. Also, Geri could dance better than all of them put together. Later she easily proved that in her concerts. Vocally she was on the same level with Mel B, Emma and Victoria. Mel C was the strongest, I can give it to her

@jayseepea

Жыл бұрын

@@irina1296in what delusional world do you live in that you think she was a better dancer than the other 4?

I'll always cherish Forever 'cause in a way it saved my life. I was really depressed bc I was being bullied in school for being gay and the only reason I could find for not unaliving myself was waiting for the 3rd SG album. Thanks for the content, also you're really 🔥🔥🔥

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. I can definitely identify with that - don’t know what I’d have done without the Spice Girls growing up. Their music was a breather from reality 🙌

'The flame that burns twice as bright, burns half as long'. That couldn't sum up the Spice Girls any better. I remember this era vividly as I rushed out to buy Forever back in 2000 but wondered about the lack of promotion. Interesting to hear all these years later what was going on.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

That’s such a great way of putting it. It was too intense to maintain long-term.

I still listen to the Forever album. "Wasting My Time" is favorite track from the album followed by "Tell Me Why"

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yeah such a shame time ‘tell me why’ never got released as a single

@AmoMe2009

Жыл бұрын

Same!!!! I love this album and those are 2 of my 3 favorite tracks. “Get Down with Me” is my third favorite!

Geri was the main songwriter and the definition of "Girl Power," even if she wasn't the strongest singer. Her first solo album is phenomemal. It scored 3 No.1s and a No.2 hit.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes I think Schizophonic was a solid pop record

amé lo detallado y preciso que fue esta investigación.. Love this girls. Good work Jonny

Geri was labeled the lead singer in 1995 in a very high profile magazine and since I never saw that again I figured it was one of those early journalistic judgements or mistakes. But given that the album they release after she left, the cover looks like a farewell album, the vibe felt like a “it’s been real” album, and Why release a song called goodbye if you’re not ending things?

Melanie C fans reaaally love to put Geri down, but Geri was the mastermind of the group, from coming up with the name to being the main writer of their songs, I mean, Viva Forever a song the fans think is the best Spice Girls song, was mainly written by Geri. When Geri left, she took the “spice” with her, Schizophonic sounds more like a Spice Girls album than Forever. I think in a perfect scenario, a third Spice album would have been released in November 98, to keep the schedule with Spice released in Nov 96 and Spiceworld in Nov 97. It was no secret the girls were writing and recording new music while they were in Dublin, Ireland rehearsing for the Spiceworld Tour 1998.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes it would’ve been nice if there was a third album in November 98 and they split in 99 & went out on top. Oh well.

I love when you leave the bloopers in! Lmfaooo

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Oh good 🙏 I’m putting them at the end now - do you think it’s better?

@ninanano

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey yes it’s a good way to snap back from the seriousness of the rest of the video!

i kinda ignored it when it came out but once i took the time to listen to it years latter i realized what a hidden gem this album was. i wish they would reunite for a 4th album

@fanstastic83

Жыл бұрын

This is why it didn't get to number one, god damn it!

@Charmedone9805

Жыл бұрын

@@fanstastic83 well to be fair i live in the US not the UK, by 2000 they were kinda considered old news by then i remember hearing the song holler on the radio and was meh and i let the album be, then once they did the reunion tour around 2007 i took a listen and was like ohhhh!!!! this was a good album

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Same - if it was great though 😀

@Charmedone9805

Жыл бұрын

@Twisted Elegance yeah but then MelC joined the reunion tour its Victoria who seems to be the one always holding out

I'm off to see Viva Forever video after this. Thanks mate!

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

such a classic song - memories 😀

i love your channel..i grew up with all those bands and singers. i may suggest: bands like the 411, the saturdays, sugababes,

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙏 I try to do acts with more international reach. I like the Sugababes - I might do one on them.

@discreetlesbian

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey then girls aloud might be suitable as well

Say what you will about Geri's pretty average voice ( though it has its charm)...without her personality and formidable songwriting skills things just weren't the same.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes ppl seem to ignore that. Geri’s creativity, lyrics & song ideas cannot be underestimated.

@JaiProdz

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey Geri worked hard as the mascot, face and cheerleader of the group. For sure! In that way, Victoria's dancing ability and support vocals are underrated imo. They all were necessary to the groups function

@randomclips888

Жыл бұрын

@@JaiProdz i agree they all contributed soo well and were so perfect then when 1 of them were removed it became like a different group

@JaiProdz

Жыл бұрын

@Nasty A ? Dido doesn't sound like Geri

@dddsabong

Жыл бұрын

true 👏🏼💯

Im loving your bloopers. I'm a fan now

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Marcus 😀

So on point. I’m a massive fan, but “Forever” doesn’t get the same love as the first two albums.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Nope it doesn’t - I suppose the moment had passed

"Holler" is one of my favorite songs ever!

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

It’s a classic!!

Omggg your documentaries are really well made. Could you do deep dives on albums / eras for tlc envogue destinyschild monica brandy aaliyah ashanti amerie jlo nsync dannii girls aloud sugababes allsaints tatu

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. I would love to but I’ll see what happens.

The Spice era was such an amazing time and whilst I was very much into dance music at the time, like millions of others , Take That and the Spice Girls , well you couldn't help but love them and the music they made. The 1990s truly where bliss and the best of times.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

So many brilliant songs in the nineties - current music has nothing on it 😂

Although Geri and Mel B were the creative forces behind Spice Girls and Mel C was THE voice carrying most of their releases, it was actually Emma that was the heart and soul of the group for me.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Emma was and is so lovely 😀

Great video!!!

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 😀🙏

They faced a real identity crisis that they couldn't return from. They weren't the Spice Girls we all knew and loved. I lost interest in them after Goodbye, and I had been more than a massive fan since day one.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes that’s a good way of putting it - ‘an identity crisis’

I personally think their 2000 forever album image was all wrong. when you mentioned, they looked extremely different and lacked their original formula of individuality, it definitely showed. they did have great songs with dark child. but they didn't look like the ones singing to the track

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes I know they had to grow up and their style had to evolve but they still got the image wrong. They should’ve tried in some way to retain more of their essence. They just ended up looking like any other girl group.

@Dedicated2WendyWilliams

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey because jeans and regular t shirts were in at that time, everyone dressed alike in the late 90s (something like walmart clothing lol) but even look at Mariah, Britney, Christina, backstreet etc

It's quite a statement that given the bitchy ultimatum by the Spice Girls, that the Absolute Boys could either work on the Spice Girls third album or on Geris soloalbum but not both, they chose Geri. And they were not wrong.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

yes that's what Geri said in her book 'if only'

I love watching your videos.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Thank you😀

The Spice Girls were like Voltron !!! Geri was The personality, leader, Brains & creativity of the group !!! Without her there was no Spice Girls .

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Things went awry after Geri left indeed.

@ST-nz4bf

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey 💯

@miloseviczarko45

Жыл бұрын

And now ironically, Geri is desperate for every reunion. She regrets so much for that departure.

its not just geri, its the dynamic, its not the same anymore specially having a phenominal success as 5 piece member even if the person who left the group isn't geri. also the album Forever wasn't as pop-ish enough to keep them on top.

This breakup was similar to the split of Duran Duran 1. Geri's leaving was similar to Roger Taylor and Mel C was similar to Andy Taylor leaving. And Geri,Mel B,Mel C ,and Victoria was similar to side projects The Power Station and Arcadia.they were in each other's pockets since they were late teens. And they had to get away from each other for a while.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes true. They needed a breather from each other.

Forever is the Spice Girls album I listen to the most, great video 👍

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Thank you - yeah I listened to yesterday in the car the whole way through & it is a good album 😀

@msf2023

Жыл бұрын

Me too! Forever is my fave album of the Spice Girls!

Loved the bloopers, I'm pretty much like that. Thanks for the video. Hey, an btw... they haven't split yet 😉 Long Live the Spice Girls!! ✌

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

thanks 😀

Best girl group to ever exist

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Agreed 😀

@miloseviczarko45

Жыл бұрын

No other girl band can compare with them. With the fact that the girls never formally split, they are still hanging out personally. That's why I have a huge respect for Spice Girls.

I was a child when the Spice Girls ruled the world! Even here in Brazil, where we Don’t speak english natively, no one could escape their impact

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

That’s incredible to hear they had that impact even in a non-English speaking country 😀

I’m still bummed out that ‘W.O.M.A.N.’ was never properly recorded and released on Forever. I love that track and the Earls Court performance. And I wish they had added ‘My Strongest Suit’ from the Aida soundtrack as a bonus track. It has such a spice vibe even tho it’s a Elton John song.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I was listening to it the other day - good pure pop song 😀

I love this album I don’t know why it isn’t talked about more

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

It was such a short era - it only lasted 2/3 months - maybe that’s why.

@karstkuitenbrouwer9286

Жыл бұрын

I love it 2. I still listen to it these days

@samsong24

Жыл бұрын

It's a nice album, but it didn't feel like the Spice Girls at all. Some songs are incredibly bland. They just ended up sounding like most other artists at the time.

@jeniestra.

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't the Spice Girls.

@DDDNat

Жыл бұрын

The cover of it is terrible to begin with.

I never was that much into the spice girls but that video was very interesting to watch and can you do a video about blackout from Britney please

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Thanks - yes I’m definitely doing one about ‘Blackout’ at some point

@SeachenLp

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey looking forward to it

I still hope they will release new music someday.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes so do I - like Abba have done. But it would need to be brilliant or it would tarnish their legacy.

@miloseviczarko45

Жыл бұрын

They don't need to release anything, because it will definitely ruin their legacy. Also, there is a problem with ageism, they wouldn't chart anywhere. Even back in 2007 when they released Greatest Hits, "Headlines" was not as successful as the singles from 90s.

They started out *so* strong as a quartet! 'Goodbye' is such a beautiful song and it has excellent production values. Honestly, one of their greatest songs. I remember the B-side to that was a cover of 'Christmas Wrapping' and that had their trademark camp cheekiness to it. I so wish they hadn't teamed with the producers they did for the third album...it just didn't feel right for them.

@DDDNat

Жыл бұрын

Goodbye was still written with Geri before she left and then the girls change the lyrics later.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

I love Goodbye- such a classic 😀

Really interesting video, thanks. I was a huge Spice Girls fan back in the day and have such fond memories of the Spice and Spiceworld era. I remember loving Holler when I first heard it, but ultimately being disappointed by the overly produced American sound of Forever. Their 99 Christmas in the Round Earls Court gigs were promising, showcasing the catchy pop version of Right Back at Ya as well as WOMAN. Sadly, as you mention, Right Back at Ya changed sound for Forever and WOMAN (an instant fave) was also nowhere to be seen. I really think the lack of a manager impacted the course of Forever and still has an effect today. To their credit the girls managed to get through the American dates of the 98 tour and even come together for the brilliant Goodbye, but it all changed after that. Westlife lay the challenge by setting their album release date for the same week as Forever, which you would think the girls would have embraced. Instead they didn’t bother with any form of significant promo. Headlines release was poorly handled in 2007, odd video choice, digital release followed by physical release weeks later impacting their charting, no promo done in the UK. The 2007 and 2019 tours also not receiving any DVD release is baffling. I do wish they would be more creative and respectful of their legacy - while the 2019 tour was brilliant, the 25th anniversary of Spice and Spiceworld was somewhat disappointing (why didn’t they include all b-sides). I would also love to hear some new material from them! If Take That/ Steps could do it, then the Spice Girls should be able to also - get back working with their dream production team (Biff, Stannard/ Rowe or Elliot Kennedy) and give us a few new songs. This is probably wishful thinking on my part, but a fan can dream😂

Awesome ❤❤❤❤❤

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 🤗

Spice Girls are still fire

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Dan right

They split because the Spice Girls were a 5 piece and when Geri left, the spice was replaced with an R&B sound. Simple as that!

I use to be obsessed with these types of groups as a kid destiny child swv tlc Backstreet Boys me and my cousin Liz listened to them all I use to watch the spice girls movies lol now I can’t past 3 minutes without cringe

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

I still love Spiceworld - don’t find it cringey at all 😂 Still love DC, TLC, SWV

Love the unedited ending to this 🤭

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 😂😂

@poshbarbieboi

Жыл бұрын

But, I did learn some more info on why things ended

Its ironic that people comment on loss of their personas after Geri left considering their personalities are the reason they were dubbed sporty, scary, baby, ginger and posh to begin with. However to see the girls at their last tour almost as larger than life versions of themselves was so satisfying.

@jonnyharvey

11 ай бұрын

Yeah I guess it's different when you're in your forties - you tend to be more comfortable with yourself. And they probably appreciate how important those original images still are.

For me, Geri was the glue, strength and wackiness between them, and well, also the main songwriter so, if you really want to hear a "Spicesque 3rd album sound" you should need Simon. Without him, the closer is go to "Schizophonic" instead of Forever. It brings A LOT of very very, first listen suspiciously similar sounds. With Forever, the name was bad, the photoshoot was terrible (they look older), there was no promo, the timing was terrible, it was just to extend the bubblegum. Facts are facts and, as VB said, u can´t be at he Spice Bubble forever. I love them, i love Holler, Goodbye and IYWHSF. But what they did to "Right Back At Ya", having "Time Goes By", "LLLTW" or "Oxygen" instead of sound like them 3 previous Christmas number ones???? UNFORGIVABLE. Thank u very much, specially for the timeline. As a teen fan at that time, it´s great to check the dates. Sorry for my english, i´m from Chile.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

No your English is very good 😀 thanks for sharing. Yes Schizophonic does feel like the third Spice Girls album

@MichyaFromSweden

Жыл бұрын

@Twisted Elegance NOT AT ALL !!! To ANY casual fan, the only song they know about Spice Girls is definitely "Wannabe". EVERYONE know that song, it's not even up for debate. I don't know in what country you live in but "I Turn To You" is played nowhere like that on radio today and far from being one of the most popular songs of the 90's, especially that the song was released in 2000; like c'mon. It was a big hit in 2000, but not that much to the point it gets still played today. "Livin La Vida Loca", "Killing Me Softly", "Barbie Girl" or "Un-Break My Heart" for example are songs from the 90's who were one of the most popular and still get played on radio today often. "I Turn To You" is nowhere near that (especially for the 2000 decade in which the song was actually released worldwide). Otherwise I agree about their natural next step musical choice, because Spice Girls was initially a Pop/R&B group in the first place. "Say You'll Be There", "Last Time Lover", "Something Kinda Funny", "Naked", "Take Me Home", "Bumper To Bumper" are R&Bish songs.

@Marc-zi5cq

Жыл бұрын

@@TwistedElegance So many untrue things. Geris songs were on the charts for a long time. She had 5 major major hits, It's Raining Men was the best selling song of the year in France in 2001, 3 years into her solo career. Look At Me sold 150.000 first week despite peaking at #2. All her four solo number ones debuted with more than 110.000 copies sold first week. I wonder where you get your info on them immediately falling off? LOL Lift Me Up spend 19 weeks on the charts, thats 5 months, Mi Chico Latino, Raining Men and even Scream If You Want To Go Faster spend 15 weeks on te charts, Look At Me, Bag It Up spend 14 weeks. Her songs had staying power. Also Holler was not a major hit in Europe, the chartpeaks are very modest outside the UK considering how big they were before and how famous. In fact It'S Raining Men did better everywhere. Also Wannabe was far bigger everywhere than Spice Up Your Life. Wannabe outsold Spice Up Your Life in the Uk, The US, Germany and pretty much every other market in the world. The youtube views and Spotify streams speak for its impact as well.

Forever has some really good vocals in it, but it has no soul! Those songs could have been sung by anyone... there were no spice girls stamp on it or anything we could identify with or relate to! It surely reflects the way it was produced and recorded: just picked up vocals here and there and mixed by someone distante

Great video! Thank you so much❤

@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO

Жыл бұрын

REAL men have EXTREME hatred for the Spice Farts, you are not worthy of being called a man

@drluizpires

Жыл бұрын

@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO thank you 😍 Now you can go back to your moms basement

@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO

Жыл бұрын

@@drluizpires The only ones who live in their mum's basement are sissies who listen to the Spice Girls, whereas REAL men listen to proper music. Now go play with your dolls 😂

@drluizpires

Жыл бұрын

@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO keep telling yourself that, one day youll believe it too... although, having a second thought, I dont believe tou have a mother... or a caring mother

@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO

Жыл бұрын

@@drluizpires Didn't I tell you to go play with your dolls

I'm here for ANYTHING Spice!

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

😀

I'm glad they're all still chummy publicly though. Most stay together or pretend to be for multi million dollar offers; yet all five Spice Girls seem to not mind each other n such. Sure 2022's Geri's bday bash said Mel B wasn't there via the press; yet I feel it was Mel giving the spotlight on Geri that night; since around the same time she announced that she was engaged. So to give Geri that spotlight on solely her bday, n even VB being there too; just shows these are grown as eff adults; who spread their Spice Girls passions on their own right; so huge of a phenomenon; there's no need for so many reunions or new music. I enjoy all of them quite well individually on their social media n wherever they roam or sell their own brands of stuff. Not many groups can say each member has legit solo career paths on the mainstream level such as the Spice Girls do. That's something that should never be overlooked.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

That’s true. They’ve all had decent solo songs - what other group can say that?

So Geri needed to leave the band for the future of the group. If she hadn't left, they would've had a massive falling out and there would've been no 3rd album ("Forever") or any Reunion tours at all. They would have a hard bitter end like Eden's Crush, Bardot and Girls Aloud.

Fantastic band! Beautiful music!

@jonnyharvey

9 ай бұрын

😀

I love your videos. Totally agree re: Forever era. Their heart wasn't in it

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Keith 🙏😀

I'd love to hear you tell the story of Steps.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know that much about Steps -sorry. But you never know

The boy is mine was from 97/98 is on both Monica and brandy second albums which were way before 2000

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

The boy is mine was released in June 98 and went to No 1 in the US June, July & August 1998 & Rodney Jerkins worked with the Spice Girls the following year in summer 99. I can’t remember the exact wording of my script but I wouldn’t have included it unless I was 100% certain. I think I say ‘around that time’ Jerkins had hits with…….. which is entirely accurate. Thank you for your insight.

Forever is my favorite album and era because I love rnb (and I don't really like Geri) but there's no denying Geri was the glue and the master behind their signature pop sound

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes you can definitely hear that especially on Geri’s first solo album

The spice girls were and will always be something or nothing to everyone. Personally I never took much notice until the third album and their more mature cross sound. It was a step away from bubble gum pop sound holler was dah bomb with it's garage mix with eyebrows raised. The reality was none of them would have longevity outside of the group and Geri's departure

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

And it had just ran it’s course

"If You Want to Have Some Fun" should have been a single. It was a perfect combination of the Europop sound that made them famous and the slinky R&B that they were going for.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes agreed - seems like such a wasted opportunity

yes, Holler is a banger, but it was completely neglected here in the US and never even got a single release (despite having some excellent Masters At Work remixes). i'm convinced the song would've been a pop hit here had it been sung by Britney, P!nk or J-Lo.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yeah radio programmers dropped them like hot potatoes. And the girls hardly did any promotion in America. Such a missed opportunity 🙁

@christopherproietti645

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey the first time i heard Holler was when i bought the import CD single from the Virgin Megastore here in Miami at the time. even if they HAD done a full promotional campaign here, i doubt it would've have helped the song much as radio programmers, as you stated, had already lost interest in them (and their solo projects).

@fanstastic83

Жыл бұрын

The funnies thing is that they wanted to be more US oriented (or maybe Virgin), because according to some fans Spice world almost flopped there, so they wanted to sound more r'n'b because of that.

I love this album. Have the vinyl record too. Quite like the change of direction. A bit different, grown up and sophisticated.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I really enjoyed it 😀

Please also talk about Mariah’s “Charmbracelet” album, if you like.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes I’ll have to do it as part of the ‘Emancipation of Mimi’ video. Hopefully soon 😀

They have never officially split up 😛 You beat me to it, I was just editing video about Forever I love Forever, it's different, but still spicy It was released at the wrong time and they didn't really feel it, maybe they should have released it in 1999

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

I’m looking forward to seeing your video on ‘Forever’- it doesn’t matter, I can’t do it in your voice 😀

@fanstastic83

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey the problem is I don't like my voice and English is not my mother tongue, so expect a lot of bloopers 🤣😂

Personally, I love Forever. It's really a very good album. Girls' voices sound much better. The problem with the Forever era is first of all the lack of promotion and their lack of motivation for this album. The girls had put their hearts into Forever. The girls were still enthusiastic and motivated in 98-99 and wanted to prove they could go on without Geri but once the album was released their hearts were gone. I always thought that an E.P in December 98 would have been a great idea followed in November 99 by the third album (pop) and in 2000 by the R&B album

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Some good points there - thanks for sharing 😀

14:24 I see you found my channel haha 😋😛

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Did I?!?! I need to go & subscribe then 😀

I also think, which no one talks about, is that I think the public were Spiced out by then, we had had 2 years of absolute world domination. Then it all went quiet for a few months and boom, solo Geri, solo Melanie C, a solo Emma song and Mel Bs solo stuff. The public had possibly had enough. And into 2000 Melanie C and Geri were going strong. After hearing Mel Cs Northern Star, Forever sounded nothing like the Spice girls to me. Too generic, not poppy enough, no Geri to add that Spice to the songs. Schizophonic amd Northern Star mixed could have been a great third album. Poor Mel C had had enough as well.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes Melanie C is a really sensitive soul who seems to have bore the brunt of band politics. She’d had enough.

@andrewturvill7145

Жыл бұрын

@Here's Jonny she had, plus they were all so exhausted. I do think when you compare Forever, to Northern Star, you could see Forever was not Melanie Cs style or direction. Sadly that 3rd poppy album will never see the light of day. I do hold some hope as we got C U Next Tuesday so you never know

Northern Star by Mel C is by far the best Album of all the solo projects. Every song on that album was a masterpiece, what’s weird is the weakest song IMO is the lead song Going Down, literally the only song I skipped but I guess it was because it sounded so far from a Spice Girls track is the reason it was the lead single to that album. Mel’s Songs after that album did seem to change for me, I liked the 2nd album but not as much. I did think Mel C would have made another Album like her first but with her more recent music I feel like she has got her vibe back again, and they feel like the continuation of Northern Star again IMO.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes I love that album. Geri was my favourite Spice Girl, but NS is my favourite solo Spice album. Brilliant record 🙌🙌

You know Victoria hates to be call Vicky, right? 🤣

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

It’s harmless - I’ve always called her Vicky Beckham

I don’t think the sound was right for the UK either

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

No they went too ‘American’

❤❤❤❤

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

😀

Why is the video only 480p? Are you trying to give 90s vibes? 👀

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Sb else mentioned that. I’m not sure - I kept it low, to keep the file smaller (I think!!) What setting should I have it on?!?

I love "Forever" - the underrated album.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

It’s a decent record - I still really like it 😀

@scottbakanumba1heathen313

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey So do I. Nice hearing Victoria singing more leads.

I love Forever, but wish they follow up with their 4th album in 2003/2004.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

That would’ve been interesting.

@WisdomGoblin

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey Yea, Pop rock/Urban album for the 4th album woulda fit well at that time.

I love you man

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

😂😂

Where are you from, Mate?

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Ireland 🇮🇪

You kinda always knew that it wasn't gonna last too long even at the hight of fame. These kinda groups just don't last for a lot of reasons. Saw the same thing with the boy bands of the era.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes that’s true but I’m still annoyed (!!) that it just petered out- they should’ve went out in top

@miloseviczarko45

Жыл бұрын

But unlike for the other girl groups that literally break up, Spice Girls are all still hanging out personally.

They fell apart when Geri left. The entire premise of the band was unbreakable friendship. Geri’s departure violated the whole thing. I was a young teenager when Geri, and remember how suddenly it was, left. It was horrifying and sad. Geri should never have left. Sickening. As for “Forever”, the girls failed more when they went American-style urban for the third album. It wasn’t an authentic sound to them. The sound was wrong, the image/styling was bland to nearly anonymous. Geri was the center point of this group and with her gone, and like I said the band’s friendship premise violated, the girls saw no reason to attempt to go on without Ginger Spice. It was futile. Look at them during this era - they look so defeated. And uninterested. I’m sure they were feeling traumatized, betrayed and bewildered as well. And angry.

@Marc-zi5cq

Жыл бұрын

Forever was 2 years after Geri left, if they were still angry at this point, they needed some therapy ;) Geri did not leave completely out of the blue, we know about the friction with Mel B at the time, so they definitely knew too.

Get ur facts right! They didn’t broke up. Mel C has stated many times that they didn’t broke up but instead they took a break from 2000 to focus on their solo career.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

I explained it in the video.

I mean the album had a few pop songs, like if you wanna have some fun & weekend love

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes I think they would’ve been great singles - they never got a chance

Never official split up

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

That is true but they did effectively split up in December 2000

It really makes ZERO sense for people to say that Forever was a bad album because it was "too R&B sounding".......like, HUH?!?!? You all ARE aware of the fact that ALL of the Spice Girls music has an R&B sound to it, right? Like, I know they were a mostly White group from the UK but ALL of the music is inspired by R&B, Funk, Disco, Jazz & HipHop. Without those genres as the basis of their sound, there is no Spice Girls music. The reason "Forever" doesn't really fit in with their other 2 albums is that (in many ways) "Forever" is less funk & disco influenced AND the instrumentals of the songs lacks live instrumentation. "Forever" doesn't sound any more R&B than the other albums, it just has les live instrumentation and isn't pulling for music sound of the 60s, 70s & 80s like their first 2 albums did. "Forever" sounds VERY early 2000s. It's got that Y2K sound

@thesecondYouTube

Жыл бұрын

The first two albums had great live instrumentation and beautiful string arrangements. The third album needed string work, it was incredibly boring.

@Louisjcx

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been saying this for years. Their music is r&b influenced since day one !!!!

@13579hee

Жыл бұрын

@@Louisjcx EXACTLY!

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes their music did have a r ‘n’b influence from day one but with Forever it definitely sounded a lot more slick, polished, American and more obviously r’n’b. And the melodies were definitely less pop.

They needed geri's crazy mind to publish the album... By the way to call the album forever is kina ironic

Always makes me sad to think how it fizzled out. I wish they’d been more committed to making the album a success, and then moved on to their solo careers.

@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO

Жыл бұрын

It is utterly shocking that with you being a man you love The Spice Girls and their so-called music, obviously then you were born into the wrong sex.

@taureanmay7480

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Agreed 😀

In my opinion, Forever is Spice Girls' underrated magnum opus. Fuck the inviduality, i have loved this era of Spice Girls with my whole heart my whole life. Everyone in late 2000 was crying how Forever killed of the playfulness of Spices just to replace thier characters with bland r&b wannabes, but people were so used to Spice Girls colorful past that they were totally blind and didnt see that Forever was a great r&b album that aged as fine wine and the same can be said about these timeless r&b hits that were mentioned here as "If You Had My Love" and "Its Not Right, But Its Okay".Spice is on a strong second place being a great album and lets just forget about the Spiceworld. During the Spiceworld era Spices reached the peak of cheesyness, mabye outside the single "Stop". Also, the music video for Too Much was fun, but i couldnt help myself to just skip the track every time i.listend to the record.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think it’s a solid album - but they never gave it a chance.

It would be interesting to see a video about what happened to the male groups next, they never last....

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

How do you mean?

@mihran79

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey I meant those boy bands that existed at the same as the Spice, 90s, like Take That, Westlife, NSYNC, Backstreet boys....what happened to them

@joshuareidmusic

Жыл бұрын

@@mihran79 Westlife are still together

@joshuareidmusic

Жыл бұрын

As well as BSB

@mihran79

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuareidmusic oh wow, didn't know that, maybe there's a reason why I don't hear anything about them lol

What do u mean Forever didn't work out? It sold 4 million copies. That is massive still

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think it sold 4 million. It bombed in the States where three years previously they had had the biggest selling album of the year. There was only one single from it (maybe two if you include Goodbye, a song from 2 years previously). I don’t think anyone would consider an album with 1 or 2 singles a success. It sold approx 10 million less than their previous album Spiceworld. I could go on …….

@mickydrew

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey it sold considerably less but had 3 number 1 singles... Holler, LLLTW and Goodbye. It was always going to sell less without Geri,without the massive promo and with the girls parting ways...but 4 million copies (which is the official sales figure) is still a hit album. It's more than most artists sell today.

Get real...After Geri left the other 4 didn't have her pizzazz at songwriting and the catchiness she brought to the hits was terribly lacking in their last album of only 4. Geri had huge success on her own and the others mocked her before she released her first album they all had to eat crow and their negativity really irked millions of fans and that negativity reflected in their sales....sadly since Geri got married her music is rather Disneyesque and sad.

@Marc-zi5cq

Жыл бұрын

ohhh great point that people seem to forget. Both Mel C and Victoria have said not so nice things about Geri after she left and the group continued, not sure possibly Mel B too, so that would not bring Geri fans to support them necessarily. She left and took alot of her fans with her...with them dissing her quite alot in 1999 and 2000, not all Geri and former Spice fans were gonna rush out to support their former favorite group after she had already scored 3 no.1 singles and went double platinum with her very spicy debut album.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Geri doesn’t want to do pop anymore it seems

Mel B should have waited....Hot was a good album but bad timing

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

It was such bad timing - insanity

They split up, because their fanbase grew up, period.:)

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes that’s also a reason why.

Tbh, I only like the 1st and the 2nd album.

They should have made three albums before the world tour and broken up after the tour. Mic drop

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree - they should've had a solid plan rather than letting it just fizzle out the way they did. And a US tour movie released in cinemas to coincide with the third album.

I still blame geri for the leave the group and make them end.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

I was upset with her at the time but they weren’t going to last much longer anyway. Really they were only properly together another six months

100 million records

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Yes that’s including the singles sales

All of this is true, but it's not what broke up The Spice Girls. At least it's not why Gerri left. Mel B & Gerri had a thing going & Mel ended it. Gerri was crushed & left the group on Mel's birthday. Mel B has talked about it in interviews. People only see what they want to see. Watch the video by Sapphic Underground. That explains it all.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

My video is about events two years & a half years later. But thanks for that

Hated and still hate their 3rd album ...I hate it with a passion! It sounds so NOT like them and more like something Destiny's Child or TLC ... YES, that's what you get when you work with American producers and all critic reviews and Elliot Kennedy were right. Thank you for the video. You covered what no one has ever covered on KZread about this album and career move by the Spice Girls. Subscribing to the channel.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Cheers thanks for your positive feedback. I still love that album but each to their own

Too much estrogen in the group. Happens to every girl group.

I don’t get the hate for the Forever album. It is their best work. They are VOCALISTS on this album.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

No I really like that album. I think fans are frustrated that it was missing a lot of their original essence & that the girls cut short the era very quickly. It didn’t get much of a chance.

Melanie B album name is " Heat " not "Heart "

@jonnyharvey

11 ай бұрын

Her album name was Hot. I made this video months- I really can’t imagine I called it Heart.

No funny … holler may be in my top 50 greatest songs of all time ! Ijs 🤷🏽‍♂️

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Mine too. It’s a banger!

@Iamchrisshorts

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey it was def slept on I must say 💙💙💙

I heard Kim Wilde said "I saw Spice girls thought OMG I have to Get out of here , better leave the party then wait till they will kick you out"

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

?

@jamesalex5051

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey ha ha

@lolachiconila7650

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyharvey saw that interview too with Kim Wilde about 96-97 don't remember i when she kinda got disappointed was at her prime shape and released the album Now & Forever that failed and Spice girls came in to the scene Kim said ", i never said i don't like them i just thought hang on i was in scene for too long - what the f.k I'm doing here need to get out"? LOL

@lolachiconila7650

Жыл бұрын

ops sorry i guess i replayed wrong spot , i too loved Kim esp the 1986-1988 Michael Jackson era. thought she was gorgeous in 90's she looked even more stunning "If i can't have u/ Who do u think u re" :) unfortunately her hits start drying up

A bittersweet ending for one of the best groups ever. Sadly, evolving did not go quite well for the SG compared to other artists. Also, as you said, America had their own wave of new pop artists, so “Americanizing” the sound and image of these established and extremely famous English girls was not much of a clever move. I highly agree with your opinions. Great video.

@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO

Жыл бұрын

The Spice Farts were NOT artists, they were FARTISTS

@taureanmay7480

Жыл бұрын

True.

@jonnyharvey

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Felipe 😀😂 Yes I would’ve preferred if they had gone out with a bang but oh well.