That's what you call results oriented commentating. On the turn he's a genius because he manages to get more money from 24o but on the river he's an idiot because a miracle gutshot comes in and he loses. If the gutshot never came in and villain shoved as a bluff they would be saying he's a genius and got max value with TT.

@HopyHop1

Жыл бұрын

How do you know he'd make that play as a bluff?

@zombieherobrian5384

Жыл бұрын

@@HopyHop1 he doesn’t know he’d make that play but he knows they’d call it that

@stein2137

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@blacksilver6832

Жыл бұрын

Exxxactly

You’re absolutely right that it’s worse for learning the game, but also tournaments are soft as can be so it’s a lot easier to have a massive EV edge over the field than in cash games as a mediocre player. A bottle of a double edged sword choosing to focus on cash.

@HopyHop1

Жыл бұрын

You believe there are no "soft" cash games? What kind of cash game player believes that every cash game table is difficult to win money at?

@iambadatpickingusernames6669

Жыл бұрын

@@HopyHop1 I’m not saying cash isn’t soft too, just that tournaments are magnitudes softer on average

@HopyHop1

Жыл бұрын

@@iambadatpickingusernames6669 Why not only play tournaments if you believe that tournaments are a better way to win more money quicker? Tournament strategy is quite different than cash game strategy because the monetary value of a given chip denomination changes throughout a tournament. In cash games the value of chip denominations remains constant and there are unlimited re-buys. Factors such as equity denial, betting opponents off better hands, defensive play ... have different monetary values in different situations. It's an oversimplification to claim that tournament money is easy money and cash game money is hard won money. IMHO preference for one type of game over another boils down to personality types. Skilled cash game players are more likely to win in a given session, but the ratio of money risked to potential money gained isn't as favorable as it is in tournaments. Skilled tournament players lose most of the tournaments they play, but the risk to reward ratio is much better. Risk adverse personality types are more likely to prefer tournaments while non-risk adverse personality types may be more attracted to cash games. However, (barring absurd tournament fees, rakes, or drops) a skilled player should be a winning player at either game in the long run.

This and all your videos are extremely high production and simply just great bro honestly only thing better was the live game action when you played at commerce I believe it was and wrecked everyone

@Rockyall

Жыл бұрын

seriously need more of those VLOGs that was amazing

@jeremymorley5670

Жыл бұрын

Didnt he play like 2 hours of 1-2 and then hit and run? Not trying to be disrespectful, I just dont remember him as "wrecking everyone at commerce" lol You could tell by that video that he actually doesn't play live very often

The shots at robbi and bunny A+

@omarfromthewire603

Жыл бұрын

For sure !!! It's always the STRONG MEN that pick on little 100 lb Women !!! It's never the nerdy, no pu$$y gettin, quiet in real life clowns, right ??? Am I right ?? Or Amirite ??? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

@johngriller4997

Жыл бұрын

And don’t forget “other inferior products”

These are really detailed high quality videos. Impressive

I love this channel! Thank you very much for doing what you do.

Wow, I love explanations like this - yet another facet of poker that is otherwise invisible to a casual observer like me. I thought I understood Koon's point, but you made it so much clearer.

Spins are even better entry than cash games for beginners. You get to learn to play between 5-30bb starting effective stack sizes, both in 3 way and heads-up. Wide ranges, bvb, strong vs capped (bu vs bb). Once you master that it’s quite easy to switch to 6max deeper stacks you just have to learn different spr and the ep vs ip cold calls basically. Bunch of people still see it as non-poker / lottery game and undermine both the technical aspect and also the big profitability of those games, unfortunately

Learning something new with every new video!

Great video but I have a question with the title. If a beginners end goal is to get good at MTTs would it make sense to start with MTTs, even if there's added layers of complexity compared to cash games?? A comparison that comes to mind is when training for MMA, it is more beneficial to combine basics of many martial arts at once rather than learning Boxing, then wrestling, then BJJ, ext. I could be misguided with this thinking so any feedback is appreciated, thanks :)

Asian guy was so humble, I wish I had as much discipline and control as he had. I hope he will cash a lot in the future. Last time i felt same sad after a hand was when Duhamel played JJ against Matt Affleck's AA.

I was hoping you were going to continue the analysis to the river. I was wondering if the check back on the flop is a bad play? Otherwise nice!

Loved JK’s explanation, you gotta make money somehow and Boa played it well just UL, it happens

I love your all video, I watched 2 years but it's my first time writing a comment. I want to watch your video once a day, once a hour, once a half minute thk thk thk thk thk thk thk thk. learning english hard then I will use gtox definitely

Love the dig at 4:17!!

with solvers like GTOx... and other, inferior, products - that was smooth

Your videos are essentially just infomercials for your product, but I still like them.

I am wondering what bluffs do SB have OTR when BB can still check back the flop with some Qx, especially the weaker Qx's and is SB really shoving 5x for value when BB can still have Qx

@matta5749

Жыл бұрын

literally anything. It's silly to even think about things like "what bluffs could he have" when SB can have a range of almost any two cards. This is a high roller tournament. The pros aren't so weak and scared that they won't be able to find a bluff with a massively wide range. And TT doesn't have to beat value to be a +EV call here since there are so many offsuit low card hands like 87o that could play this way. TT is not even close to being a foldable hand here. You need to understand they were 7 big blinds deep to start the hand and what that means. His plan was to trap and call down almost any runout, and that's a perfectly fine plan when you're this shallow.

I mean if you're going to slow play pre then spring into action when your opp bets into you on the turn just my thoughts I've been out the game for 2 years does anyone have any 2 cents??

This is why I love beginners playing in MTT’s.

Great vid as usual !

The headline I thought "nah". The content are all reasons *why* it's great for amateurs to play MTT's (and why they do)...do you play now? What's your win rate? I think we saw you in a casino once? Or are you more an online guy?

Another great video

So sneaky, you said 'and other inferior products' 😂😂😂 What do you think of ruse AI??

Great video

I don’t understand how 2 commentators who have been in the space so many years can’t appreciate the beauty of that creative TT x back pre

Thank you for making poker so beautiful ❤.

Goat analysis

Anyone know what MTTs are?

Can someone explain the context behind 6:59 I've never seen that clip before 🤣

@jeffm7179

Жыл бұрын

Something to the effect poker bunny didn't want to show her hand after losing and forced the cards into the muck

@cicatrace

Жыл бұрын

I think she was ashamed of how bad she played and didn't wanna show the hand to give online haters more ammunition. But yeah she's all ego and should learn some actual poker theory before trying to play against pros

Aren't chips lost more valuable than chips won in a tournament? Wouldn't this mean that the optimal EV play isn't always the best one for tournament play?

@leminh8194

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the optimal “chipEV” play isn’t always the best one.

“GTO ✔️ and other inferior products” 😂

@pot_kivach160

Жыл бұрын

👍😂

@Taylor-ce6ng

Жыл бұрын

I loved that part too, hilarious

5:56 isn’t that a non-AI raise though with TT?

Biao has 6.33 BB behind. Less than 2% of the time an opponent will have a bigger pocket pair than TT heads up. I like Biao shoving preflop to either (1) increase his stack by nearly 50% risk free or (2) having a favored hand to double up against over 98% of his opponent's possible hands if called. Does your EV calculation include the important MTT factors of denying opponents' hand equity, preservation of chip stack, and hand equity realization when all-in on a short stack, which are weighted much differently from how they are in cash games where EV is all that matters?

@keithcosentino

Жыл бұрын

Youre Caculating G.P.P. incorrectly. You count the players at the table x the amount of hands that beat TT so JJ-AA X say 6 other players (if they still have cards) would be 6x4 = 24 ÷ 2 = 12% not 2%. I get what you're saying tho if someone had JJ they'd stay in so heads up it's 2%

@HopyHop1

Жыл бұрын

@@keithcosentino What are you talking about? I'm talking about small blind vs. big blind, which are the positions in the video.

@keithcosentino

Жыл бұрын

@@HopyHop1 look up Gordon Pair Principal by Phil Gordon you got the 2% correct if it was a Heads up Table. But it's 6 max or full ring it's actually higher according to his formula. Just sayin

@HopyHop1

Жыл бұрын

@@keithcosentino I'm guessing you're making the assumption that higher cards are less likely to fold in earlier positions thus making it more likely that the small blind has higher cards. Perhaps the other players in the field would raise with a range of 77+, QJ+, for example. Since no one raised the blinds there are likely to be more high cards left in the deck. However, you could more than double the probability to a 4% chance the small blind has a pair bigger than TT (which is quite an exaggerated concession) and my original point still stands.

@HopyHop1

Жыл бұрын

@@keithcosentino I wasn't talking about the players who folded their cards. I doubt they would fold JJ+, AJ+ preflop anyway.

I wouldn’t play the 10s that way but he did get super unlucky. If I feel I’m ahead I raise on the flop or the turn to keep the bad beat from happening

@matta5749

Жыл бұрын

the entire point of this video is to show that that's bad logic.

Another banger.

I played low stakes mtt back when full tilt poker was a thing and u have no idea how insanely soft and bad those things were....it was literally like facebook or zynga poker level of play but with real money,and it was the only way u could grind up a substantial bankroll as online poker was entering a phase where there was tons of training sites and people were becoming more and more sophisticated and poker was becoming more and more saturated by the year....and then full tilt shut down and it was all over......i went from making 4k every 3 months to making less than mcdonalds wage grinding cash games on pokerstars.....about $2.50 an hour 4 tabling 10nl.

Edit: i forgot to say "i love your videos; theyre amazing for decent players to up their game hard" before i "um, actually..." the shit outta your message here. I disagree if you don't have access to regulated online poker. Micro stakes cash games are probably optimal for learning fundamentals, but 1c/2c NLH might not be available to you. I learned playing online single-table SNGs for $1 or $5 entries in another state before i knew how much more complicated tournament strategy is compared to cash. In my area, the smallest stakes available legally are live $1/$2 cash and $25 tourneys of unpredictable sizes. It's hard for new players learn to love the strategy of poker if they start with $1/$2 cash, and their mistakes can have them stacked for a table minimum of $100 in a single hand. If that's the case, $25 MTTs might let you lose the least while seeing a lot of hands and noticing the beauty of how hands could've gone if played differently. THEN they can start to do the work of figuring out the non-intuitive ways to set yourself up for GTO success.

nanonoko really is an amazing commentator... ...for people who don't really ubderstand poker. All his knowledge is on 2010 level. Anything beyond that he has no grasp of.

@4evahodlingdoge226

Жыл бұрын

You think that Nano can't still beat the games if he wanted to? Dude was 24 tabling mid stakes only like 10 years ago and was one of the biggest winners.

@Bisirsky

Жыл бұрын

​@@4evahodlingdoge226 of course he has no chance now. Are you trolling or not by talking about 10 years ago in online poker like it's nothing? 😂 Any reg of NL500 nowadays > any top reg from nosebleeds of 2013.

@chrisyu1983

Жыл бұрын

@@4evahodlingdoge226 solvers have changed poker strategy greatly between now and 10 years ago. Not even close.

Pretty sure Randy lew is a middle stakes multitabler not a “high stakes player”

@julianfaron

Жыл бұрын

Nanonoko was a multitabling crusher robot behemoth. Randy Lew commentates like a losing abc micro reg.

@cloreto111

Жыл бұрын

@@julianfaron He said it might be a next level play he does know!

@cicatrace

Жыл бұрын

@@julianfaron He's a pro button smasher, tbh I used to watch some of his streams 10 years ago and he was playing so many tables at once I felt like he wasn't thinking through most of his decisions.

This is exactly the reason I prefer MTTs :p. Less room for study, more room for intuition and fun exploits

"GTOx or other inferior products". Hahahahah, that was a funny insert.

Ali is for color.. That’s pretty much it. He tries to sound like Nick Shulman while having the poker prowess of Robbie Jade

nice video

Ali is what we have as far as commentators okay at best nothing compared to Mike Sexton

"like GTO x or other inferior products" hilarious haha

Spelled commentator wrong

I love you FE

“Ike GTO ✔️ or any “inferior” product” lol!

surprised that you would say not to play MTTs for beginners. I think that learning a profitable strategy in MTTs is easier than in cash. You can just focus on sub 40 BB play and most of your decisions aren't going to play out of multiple streets. Of course I would never recommend beginners playing live MTTs because the BIs are much higher and out running variance is close to impossible. While in this hand flatting TT is optimal for high BI tourney vs the worlds best for %99 of players just jamming here is better as they are going to make to many mistakes post. We will have many better spots with better visibility to gain EV.

@francissu6250

Жыл бұрын

you seem like a shark, what poker content or study material do you recommend for MTT? Thank you in advance.

@Gos1234567

Жыл бұрын

Live MTTS at smaller stakes are profitable,players are way worst than cash players,big bets = big hands is mainly what you need to know

@matta5749

Жыл бұрын

@@Gos1234567 they're not profitable when the rake is like 20+% of the buyin, which is usually how it goes. The $90 buyins at my casino have like 30% rake and extremely fast levels. That's almost completely unbeatable, especially for a non-pro.

I feel my galaxy brain growing by watching this

pic of Hellmuth at 7:15 >>

Great video, I started studying poker begining with Spin&go's, do you think they are a valid option to start learning poker too? I think they must be even better than cash, since the number of variables is reduced significantly and you can concentrate on learning the fundamentals of the game.

@MrJoosebawkz

Жыл бұрын

Maybe this does or doesn’t mean anything to you but Jonathan Little says Spin & Go’s are incredibly hard

@redraw0160

Жыл бұрын

If you want to learn the fundamentals of the game - cash games are best for that - not spin&go’s. Reducing variables, whatever that means, is not the same as learning poker theory.

@Dabestgoallie

Жыл бұрын

@@redraw0160 I've been grinding and studying spins for two years with great results, but if F.E. has liked your comment I guess you are right and I must start studying and playing cash.

@BallmerPeakPoker

Жыл бұрын

​@@Dabestgoallie why? If you're having great results what does anybody's opinion matter? Make your money however it comes to you....

@Dabestgoallie

Жыл бұрын

@@BallmerPeakPoker Because I want to play live and live spins do not exist hahaha

If you underplay your hand, and keep people in with garbage, you will get sucked out on a lot.

He got him to put more money in the pot with 9% equity. But he played it poorly.

This hand was insane lol. I thought Biao was an idiot until I saw him placing well in the tourneys after this.

@cicatrace

Жыл бұрын

If 42 doesn't catch his straight, maybe he bluffs the river. Biao was just trapping and ended up trapping himself, this happens a lot in poker.

Yes! Everyone watching this channel, GTFO of my MTTs and go play some cash or something.

Now with the advancement of technology much of the heavy lifting can be done for you with solvers like GtoX and other inferior products 🤣

I don't care what nanonoko or Fedor as to say about this hand. I want to see Hellmuth having TT here

so mtts are more complex than cash game?!

@fenikstechnologies1173

Жыл бұрын

exponentially

@JeffZuccMusk

Жыл бұрын

Duh lol

@niels8195

Жыл бұрын

For sure

@joomorrow

Жыл бұрын

MTT requires broader knowledge, cash game requires deeper knowledge. Few MTT regs could transition easily into cash game, while most cash regs can transition more easily.

@HopyHop1

Жыл бұрын

Bluffing and making thin value bets are more important in cash games, but stack preservation and denial of opponents' hand equity is more important in MTTs. Of course you should have bluffs and value bets in MTTs but not with the same frequency as done in cash games.

To give your opponent 3 shots to crack you is unforgettable, no matter what the solver suggests.

@pokerbarloahavia

Жыл бұрын

go back to play money

@Williy_Nilly

Жыл бұрын

@The Online Entrepreneur Can you translate please, I don't understand nonsense.

@HopyHop1

Жыл бұрын

@@pokerbarloahavia I wonder if lots of these high rollers are essentially playing with play money considering the sponsorships and other deals behind the scenes. It certainly wouldn't be the first time gambling establishments used shills.

@clarencetroy520

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, and not defending your Big blind is just a flat out rookie mistake!

@justmusic2353

11 ай бұрын

How about giving your opponents 3 shots to put in money with less than 20% equity? It baffles me that players of high calibers like Fedor Holtz and Jason Koon commented that it was a good play and you’re still here trying to argue otherwise. They have over 40 million dollars in cashes and study and play poker every single day for the past decade. What makes you think that your 1$ tourney buyin play is better than them? I guess this is why poker will always be profitable. Ignorant donkeys like you never want to learn and always think they are the best player in the world despite losing money in micro stakes mtt

i always hate listening to randy say "He's thinking.."

I’m looking at your charts and 42o wasnt included in your own hand range chart analysis. Care to explain this?

@MrJoosebawkz

Жыл бұрын

it isn’t a gto strategy bc it’s bad. Just bc he hit the 1% chance he needed to win doesn’t mean his strategy is better than GTO. use your head.

@xancypillosi

Жыл бұрын

@@MrJoosebawkz I never suggested that it did sir. I’m simply asking why your starting range analysis isn’t polarized enough to analyze “bad plays”.

@Eric-tj3tg

Жыл бұрын

It was...24o was a fold for sb v bb.

@xancypillosi

Жыл бұрын

@@MrJoosebawkz in reality. Opening JTo Preflop is as much of a bluff as opening 24o .. But your PF hand ranges include one but not the other. Care to explain why?

@xancypillosi

Жыл бұрын

@@Eric-tj3tg it said 100% fold?

First guy must have read Phil Helmuth's book on how to trap people.

91% of the time the Austrian puts a big bet in on the river. Nice play

How you gonna say Holz is exactly right according to the computer (im guessing based solely on a GTO sim), when you later in the video say that players can only theorize about optimal ICM play? Personally, I don't like the TT check, I don't really care what Holz says. I don't think it's terrible, I get it, but I think shoving would be better unless you are confident the opponent is going to bluff your whole stack at you. 89% isn't that amazing if it means 11% of the time you lose the tournament when you could have simply taken the large stack increase 100% of the time. The 42o play pretty much demonstrates that from this guy, it was pretty unlikely he was ever going to make much more than an extra ~3bb. So yeah, it's complicated, but where is this authority coming from?

@matta5749

Жыл бұрын

It's extremely arrogant and frankly idiotic to think you know better than Holz, who is one of the best MTT players in the world. ICM also has essentially 0 impact this early in the tournament, ESPECIALLY when you're this short, so it's pointless to think about it. Everything you're saying makes it clear that you're a novice player, so the fact that you're openly disregarding Holz's opinion is a great sign that you will always be a failure in this game.

@travisblack9519

Жыл бұрын

@@matta5749 I didn't say "I know better than him". I said I disagreed with him, ya weirdo. You like to fight on the internetz, huh?

Clickbait. Beginners should always play any poker discipline as odds dont count on them. Never use blockers against analyzing random beginner without any info. You will pay a big price :)

Nanonoko is a donk theres a reason he hasn't played a tourny for 10 years

And don't forget: even if you pro enough in mtts (or spins) to be wondering how stupid live comments about this hand were... You can die in poverty 😢😢

So…… should he have raised/shoved pre flop w/ 10’s???

I would've liked a shove on the turn, other than that he played the hand fine

@justmusic2353

11 ай бұрын

That’s because the river was a 5. What if it was any other card and 42 decides to bluff or hit an inferior pair like a 4 of a 2 and pays off?

Why do these modern players pull up their hoodies to hide their mouths? It's really strange.

Ding's move preflop was fine, his mistake was to call a river when suddenly a fair amount of hands have him beat, including preflop traps higher than his own. Perhaps part of his preflop mental was being suspicious of a trap considering the stacks dynamic. So preflop he's great because he traps and also avoids being trapped.

Ali is a terrible commentator. I’m surprised he even has the nerve to comment on strategy at all. He doesn’t know the difference between a set and trips, habitually makes the wrong call about people being open ended/dominated. Just a true mimic artist and I’m surprised no one has schooled him yet.

Yea numbers are all cool and all but I'm sorry if rather leave with dignity and my pocket 10s losing to your AK AQ or whatever top of your range may be instead of sucked out against 4,2.

I am unsure about a lot of thing. BUT one thing is dead sure, calling pre with 24o at small, is stupid.

Teachable moments? 🤣 hindsight much?

I think its too sharpy to say that title，because lower stake buy-in games really dont need to play compeletly GTO

Awkwardd...

And that's how Helmut has 17 bracelets 👍

The only condition that Biao is playing it correctly is Rokita has to be a pro that is fully aware of and mastering his range at SB for short stack BVB. Sadly he's apparently an idiot who desperately wants to see the flop. Do all Austrians just go to Fedor's training camp, where they are taught how to be super lucky and run rly good in big games.

@MrJoosebawkz

Жыл бұрын

nah dude if he’s doing that with 24o then it’s even better. 90%+ of the time he’s not going to get his 5 or even his draw in general.

@MrJoosebawkz

Жыл бұрын

you can’t even play a hand short stacked if your worried abt getting out drawn 5% of the time

@pilijo9058

Жыл бұрын

@@MrJoosebawkz idiots like rokina might not even know how to slide big PPs into his limping range. Then Biao would have been essentially battling at the wrong battle ground. Min raise can certainly get more value most of the time. If your hands is polarized in a balanced way then your opponent has no need to raise; but if your limping contains more garbage than it should have been, then its optimal for your opponent to attack ur weakness.

@fenikstechnologies1173

Жыл бұрын

This is one of the biggest misunderstandings about poker theory. Your opponent doesn't have to be playing a theory based game for it to work.

@MrJoosebawkz

Жыл бұрын

@@fenikstechnologies1173 exactly

Fedor saying commentators are doing a great job but tweets that same commentators bash a play, is really counterintuitive. If he wants to appease the commentators, then just comment that the play is fine and don't mention commentators bashing a play. I guess if he gets to the stature where he is now, he can ride that high horse whenever he wants. IQ is far different from EQ.

Ali tries to turn every hand commentary into some sort of soft porn description. I can't listen to him at all. He gets insta muted.

Im definitely old school far from GTO cause i dont have trash limping in my range like ever . For me its some horrible illogical strategy and im not going to listen GTO Bots about it

randy and ali "a teachable moment not getting too cute with tens." Ali is scared of a hand that literally has 9 % equity. You can just shove and hide . tens is a very strong hand at this depth. I am hitting myself listening to them go on and on about what they think is the right play while commentating TRITON....

Yea that´s really arrogant commentating and very result orientated.

randy lew was never good at poker prove me wrong

@niels8195

Жыл бұрын

We know, but he was able to beat the micro/low stakes pool he was playing, and put in lots of volume, granting him a fair amount of succes

He should of shoved PF. Being a GTO bot is a losing strat

@MrJoosebawkz

Жыл бұрын

For sure man. I can tell you have a 6 figure tournament cash to back that up

@matta5749

Жыл бұрын

Silly comment

@omarfromthewire603

Жыл бұрын

"BuT mUh sOLvErS sAiD ....!!!"

@omarfromthewire603

Жыл бұрын

"OnLy gTo nErDs wiN MTTs "- 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

@omarfromthewire603

Жыл бұрын

"I pLaY eVeRy hAnD, iN eVeRY sPoT, vs EvErY pLaYeR, tHe SAME !!!! BeCaUsE JoHn NaSh tOLd mE Too !!!!" -🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖

MTT is not a poker

I mean if you're going to slow play pre then spring into action when your opp bets into you on the turn just my thoughts I've been out the game for 2 years does anyone have any 2 cents??