CORRECTIONS: At 4:30, the labels on the graph are wrong: the blue line represents Democrat sentiment, while the red line represents Republican sentiment. Apologies for this sloppy error, and hope you nonetheless enjoyed the video!

@Vundeq

6 ай бұрын

You guys seriously need to hire a few QA people who just watch the video and report errors before it goes live

@prunabluepepper

6 ай бұрын

You got your ages wrong.

@AudibleFist

6 ай бұрын

I call this a Brit moment

@earthwormscrawl

6 ай бұрын

The whole "red/blue" issue is a mess. It's always been the red for the left (democrats) and blue for the right (republicans) because "Red" is the color used by leftist, i.e. communist and socialist, societies. This was the standard color association for everyone, and still is outside of the US. A number of years ago, the mainstream media decided that Americans were too stupid to figure this out and changed red to mean republicans because they both started with "R". This is a super easy mistake for content produced outside of the US. I'm an American and I still associate red with the left (the red scare), but I'm 63 years old and remember when my countrymen were held to higher mental standards.

@jaywalkra

6 ай бұрын

For such a big error, this should be taken down and re-uploaded.

I just think it’s funny that regardless of which side you support, people call you racist either way

@WisomofHal

6 ай бұрын

The realest comment. 😂

@SirReginaldBlomfield1234

6 ай бұрын

So what does that matter ?

@WisomofHal

6 ай бұрын

@@SirReginaldBlomfield1234 What kind of question is that?

@fader1912

6 ай бұрын

But one side is actually protesting for peace whilst the other is not… so one is right and the other isnt

@saundyuk

6 ай бұрын

@@fader1912 Are they protesting for peace? Or are they just pro-Palestine and want a ceasefire so Hamas can rebuild and slaughter another 1300 innocents as their own leader has said they will, given the opportunity? Gen Z white protesters may be protesting for 'peace' - but the rest of them are chanting 'from the river to the sea'...

I think it's worth noting that older generations can remember Isreal being attacked by its neighbours. They viewed it as a plucky David. Most youngsters have grown up watching well armed men on tanks firing at kids throwing stones. For them, Israel looks like Goliath.

@ForceOfWill100

5 ай бұрын

I like this metaphor. Also worth noting that things do change, the U.S. used to be the "plucky" upstarts against the British ourselves! The only thing that concerns me is that for many people, any criticism of the governments involved (either one) is equated to racism, which is a huge barrier to open and honest conversation.

@ramsesrhodes6241

5 ай бұрын

Whats funny, is that Palestine is the modern name for Phillistine and Israel obvioulsy Israel. Its so weird and ironic

@jesus_lizard_mu

5 ай бұрын

Philistine is not the old name for palestine its just in arabic as there is no P in arabic@@ramsesrhodes6241

@oriayacov9217

5 ай бұрын

​@@ramsesrhodes6241 Its NOT weird and ironic! Palestine called like that to moke israelis by rome.

@jhern083

5 ай бұрын

This sums up the optics pretty perfectly

It’s so frustrating that every little thing has to become left or right. It’s so much more complicated than that but the big guys in charge have drilled it in over a hundred years that you’re either conservative or you’re liberal and that’s how everything else in the world works too

@pawejurczenko2928

4 ай бұрын

well if you also hate the liberal - conservative divide, which is propelled by the ruling class, you should check out marxism. The difference between conservatives and liberals is so small that us, leftists dont really bother to differinciate

@buisnessbandit

4 ай бұрын

liberalism is literally on the political right an actual leftist who isnt just a moderate often identifies as a socialist

@DaryxFox

4 ай бұрын

The Democrat Party is the controlled opposition, so to speak. If there wasn't a party to oppose far right ideas and give lip service to social democratic ones, it would be lot more obvious how little control we have. Of course if you're paying to attention and comparing what politicians on both sides say verses what they do, it's still pretty obvious. In reality, the US is closer to a fascist state: privatization of traditionally government services, imperialism, hyper-patriotism, and militant anti-communism.

@charonisaworld

4 ай бұрын

thats because in Capitalism this is the dichotomy between mankind... If you support Israel, and have the minimum knowledge about history, you're conservative/liberal

@dakalodk

3 ай бұрын

in America u mean ?

I think there is also the timeline of the conflict in comparision to your age. For instance , the older generations have their memories filled with events were Israel was the defender against arab agression ( 1967,1973) while the younger generations can recall of Israel being the agressor , especially since the intifadas (from 1987)

@djibrilr6s

4 ай бұрын

they also have a memory of Jews being persecuted, it's still the case nowadays but not the point where they were killed in camps. Also a war between states is less "morally challenging" than a war between a militant group and a state because now you have two views: 1) Hamas are terrorists and did a horrible thing 2) Hamas are only the product of Israeli oppression and they will use whatever means necessary to liberate their nation. And both are true it's just that young people are more aware of 2).

@thedualtransition6070

4 ай бұрын

You forget the Nakba in 1948, when Israel was the ethnic cleanser.

@LMvdB02

4 ай бұрын

The six day war was initiated by Israel and provoked by Israel. High ranking israeli officials have themselves attested to this.

@005ishanigoswami5

4 ай бұрын

@@thedualtransition6070Necessity for survival. That was a correct step

@Binkan46

4 ай бұрын

​@@005ishanigoswami5 No, a state where Jews and Palestinians could have been created in 1948 because this region was very well known for being the region where the 3 major religions live in peace and it was true Jewish Christian Muslim lived together in peace but the Jewish immigrants by their egoism they wanted to create a totally Jewish state that had and because of this peace which reigned turned into war and that you absolutely cannot tell me that it was to survive we recall that the Jews who wanted to avoid the mustachioed German immigrants mostly in Muslim countries because they were the only ones who accepted their difference in beliefs and were not allied with the mustachioed German, that's survival, what they did in 1948, that's just of barbarism

I think it's important to point out the wording in the questions in the polls. A lot of them ask about support for Hamas, not Palestine. Most people who support Palestine don't necessarily support Hamas.

@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV

5 ай бұрын

Indeed, and most who feel support for Israel don't support Netanyahu... He's effectively been a dictator since 2009 somewhere, and HAMAS haven't had elections since 2006. It's easy to feel sorry for the ordinary people caught up in the narcissism of their elected(?) psychopathic leaders. Something we all need to avoid happening in our own countries too....

@tay_paradox

5 ай бұрын

yeah its bc Israeli lobbying. the narrative is to conflate the two: all palestinians are hamas gives them justification

@ATTITUDEELMORedGuyAttitude

4 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, that's what morons like TheDailyWire, PragerU, & Douglas Murray mislead their supporters on. Not like those same guys even care for Palestinians at all anyways. We see corporate Dems even agreeing with fascist Republicans on to giving Israel weapons to attack civilians from both sides in Gaza. Hamas is doing doing genocide on civilians as well, but unfortunately, Israel is so defended hardcore to a point where it feels like their is no sympathy towards innocent Palestinian hostages the same way the centrist & conservative media claim they care about Israeli lives.

@jaiarrhea3415

4 ай бұрын

@@maeiyaayou just said a whole lotta nothing

@aspengreen4319

4 ай бұрын

@@maeiyaa I despise hamas, but I can sympathize with Palestinians who are victims of hamas or Israeli government

I feel it should be made clear that being pro Palestine is NOT the same as being pro Hamas! The atrocities Hamas has committed are horrific and Isrial’s answers are also horrific. This is ultimately about allowing Palestine as a people to exist and for all people to recognize the legitimacy of each other’s narrative.

@thez5997

5 ай бұрын

@@bartandaelus359 plurality in 2006, 50 percent of the population was not alive in 2006, there was a calculation that only 15 person of the population tha voted for hamas is still alive and that is not an excuse the alternative was a corrupt israeli puppet,using this logic American citizens deserve to die cause they vote bush? it makes no sense

@hubble5755

5 ай бұрын

​@@bartandaelus359 The majority of Palestinians living under that regime today were not even alive yet during that election. Also the Hamas back then proclaimed to be pro-democratic while the only other viable party, the Fatah, wasn't the better choice at all. And even then, the Hamas never got a majority of the votes even back in 2006. It was a plurality. What a weird point to make.

@Doogie2K3

5 ай бұрын

@@bartandaelus359 Nearly 20 years ago. The median age in Palestine before the war is about 18, meaning most Palestinians are children. How many people over 35 are there now, do you think? Of whom 44% of those WHO VOTED voted for Hamas? And that's before pointing out that collective punishment is still A Bad Thing.

@KR-us9pj

5 ай бұрын

Mmm. Don’t forget who elected Hamas into power.

@hubble5755

5 ай бұрын

@@KR-us9pj See my comment above, or the one by Doogie2K3. To add to that, what makes you think that punishing civilians for the faults of their government is a justified act, in general? Don't throw everyone under the same bus.

I really dont like the phrasing of the questions on those polls you cited. I dont think there's an issue with your analysis but asking "do you support israel or hamas" can be pretty misleading

@ramdomperson921

Ай бұрын

I agree, the issue is complex and some people dont treat it like a football team like saying which do you support then two sports teams.

@dannieee333

Ай бұрын

I agree, from hundreds of pro palestinian people/activists and demonstrators i know NONE likes Hamas, they just want justice for palestinians

The most interesting bit to me was that first chart. I know the focus was on young people, but check out the massive change in the oldest "silent" generation. They went from 70% sympathy for Israel in 2018 to 35% in 2023. It is a change just as pronounced as that of Gen Z and less influenced by the most recent events (which saw the steepest decline for Gen Z). I would be very curious as to why this occurred. You can't use their lack of historical context. If anything, they would be more cognizant of the context of the conflict far better than the Baby Boomers. Was it because the more conservative members of this generation are dying out? Or is there some other influence at play.

@beachboysandrew

4 ай бұрын

Almost certainly an artifact of small sample size

@slightlyirradiatedmuffin3257

4 ай бұрын

@@beachboysandrew This. Graph should likely be dismissed for the most part because it's fluctuations are horribly erratic

@lucyandecember2843

4 ай бұрын

o.o

@d_dave7200

4 ай бұрын

The sample size comment is probably correct. However I will say that the silent generation, while conservative in a lot of ways maybe does have a few things in common with the younger ones. They grew up in times of hardship, and war (though very different wars). They saw the economy struggle under the weight of unfettered capitalism, even though the voices making that point were more muted. I do feel that millennials have a lot more in common with the silent generation than they do boomers. I may be mistaken, but I think I remember when Bernie was running in the primary, there were a number of periods (or at least polls) where the silent generation were slightly less against Bernie than boomers were. This may have only been in 2016 though. I don't remember which election it was.

@CameronSend

4 ай бұрын

My assumption would be 2 things, 1. time since the holocaust, this is likely a factor for all declines present, but since the silent generation lived it, it is more direct. 2. disdain in "the system" this being far rights blaming the left for going to woke and such, or the left wanting to see corruption in government be resolved. The issue here is both insinuate somebody or a group controls everything, which leads to a finger being pointed at Jewish people, and especially since this generation is growing up with more antisemitic tropes flying around, I wouldn't be shocked if it is subconsciously coming out as the memory of events like the holocaust and Israeli wars have fallen further into the past. all speculation though

One of the biggest reasons I think it has changed from previous conflicts, it's that now with social media there are way more videos/photos/info of people in distress because of the war. Things the established media doesn't show us on TV because of mature/graphic content. Which, I believe it creates empathy towards them.

@kaiwatson18

6 ай бұрын

Dude you think young people have empathy for civilians in war zones. Don't

@athalarahmanjauhari4135

6 ай бұрын

​@@kaiwatson18and you think that applies to everyone younger?

@Robzabest25

6 ай бұрын

so this means there is no active target of hamas but only innocent bombings of gazan civillians ?

@theaveragecomment1014

6 ай бұрын

@@kaiwatson18..are you projecting? Why wouldn’t people care about people in war zones? I don’t understand

@jens5906

6 ай бұрын

Also media showed us single buildings lightly damaged in Ukraine, and I was like "this is bad, Russia should not do this". Now they show whole citys completely destroyed, maybe one civilian building barely standing and the media is like "yeah this is fine and necessary, this time you should side with the country targeting civilians, because who knows one of those might have been Hamas".

americans after successfully turning a war in asia into a "them democrats vs republicans" issue

@solomonkirby813

4 ай бұрын

That's not even true, the man used Americans as a main topic of conflict but mentioned other nations and other political parties, its about the values of the left and right wings.

@eli3998

4 ай бұрын

Asia???

@kc8724

4 ай бұрын

@@eli3998yes the Middle East is in Asia

@humanwhodoesstuffindeed

4 ай бұрын

big joe is pro israel though

@prelawnoob

4 ай бұрын

@@eli3998american finds out middle east is in asia 😱

The thing with gen z’s really is most of them supporting any social issue is just for show. To seem morally superior, theyd quickly forget when a new social issue arises and they can focus on that next.

@toedrag-release

4 ай бұрын

They also lack any nuance to any issue everything is black and white to them

@mistress.villaina7591

4 ай бұрын

this is 💯 true

@asielhetsberger9547

2 ай бұрын

If this is true, would you care to explain the reasons behind the billions of dollars in revenue that Starbucks lost due to the Pro-Palestine boycotts? Is this also "for show?"

@toedrag-release

2 ай бұрын

@@asielhetsberger9547 and yet Starbucks is still open and the lines are still long

@spicysalad4140

2 ай бұрын

Because "pro-Palestine" activism is still the fad.@@asielhetsberger9547

I am a Gen Z born in 2002 and my mum said something I strongly agree on; "I am neutral towards the conflict and I don't want to pick a side but I have to agree on one thing, Israel has been occupying Palestine for way too long and Palestinians deserve to have their land and be free from Israel"

@Dalmatia_mapping

3 ай бұрын

agree

@Fakemarcel

Ай бұрын

Its not their land though it belongs to Israel, but its hard to maintain a country when every single country around you wants to exterminate you because you are a jew and Islam says so, I dont get the logic here. If you don’t understand anything about the conflict why comment?

@bendavid4314

23 күн бұрын

Your mom's an ignorant bud

@fogalicious2644

18 күн бұрын

The land was held by Israelites long before Islamic idealogy existed.

@mopm5188

18 күн бұрын

Tell your mom that first go criticize the palestain leaders that use all money they got from Israel and Qatar to buy weapons and to do terror instead of support in health education and science instead they are acting like corrupt countries so If you gave them independence it will good to the civilians?! Like Iran or Yemen or Iraq or Lebanon?! Let we ask the Gaza cevlians what they prefer and you can see that they prefer Israel not Hamas or other curropt Arab leader As you see in other indipendante Arab country and the head is Palestine in west bank

Those polling questions were ridiculous!!! “Do you stand with Israel or Hamas?” “Should the US stand with Israel or Hamas” “are Israel justified in attacking Hamas” young people are PRO-PALESTINE, not Pro-Hamas, those questions were purposefully trying to get people to condemn Hamas and support Israel and Young people just aren’t falling for it.

@crazydragy4233

6 ай бұрын

Exactly! I'm surprised more people are not pointing out. Palestine /= Hamas. That framing is so disingenuous

@ilonacsordas4250

5 ай бұрын

Was Hamas elected by the Martians in 2007 and having been kept in power since then?

@Zoeila

5 ай бұрын

​@@ilonacsordas4250that's sophistry and you know it

@loosfoos

5 ай бұрын

​@@ilonacsordas4250in 2007? You mean 16 years ago? While the median age of Palestinians is 19yo? Please tell me how this makes sense.

@ezioauditore7636

5 ай бұрын

​​@@ilonacsordas4250Hamas at the time was a pro-democratic party that advocated for a peaceful resolution with Israel, condemning any terrorist attacks on Israel as well. Additionally, the alternative party was embroiled in corruption. More than half of Palestinians weren't born when the election took place either.

There is another factor not mentioned in the video: support for Israel was also based on remembering World War II. The first and second generation born after that deluge were still part of the collective memory, that formed as the result of The War. Later generations are not part of that.

@grimgrahamch.4157

6 ай бұрын

In a way I feel as though the opposite is true. I've seen a lot of people compare Israel to Nazi Germany, and while the comparison isn't exact, the parallels do exist. They even admitted to secretly performing eugenics on Ethiopian Jews a decade ago. One particularly damning argument I've heard is that Israelis, of all people, should understand what it means to force people out of their homes and killing innocents en masse. The former makes the West Bank expansion seem hypocritical and the latter makes the current invasion especially hypocritical.

@notabot8581

6 ай бұрын

This is an underrated point. It’s embarrassing how little my generation knows about the Holocaust.

@coachjoachimroomaney793

6 ай бұрын

@@notabot8581 the past doesn't matter. It is about what is happening now.

@Lizard1582

6 ай бұрын

​@notabot8581 im only 25 but things like BoB and Saving Private Ryan were a big part of my teenagehood. And there was still many ww2 veterans around when I was a kid.

@scarlettbildhauer

6 ай бұрын

@@grimgrahamch.4157 Comparison between the Holocaust and Israel/Jews is called “Holocaust inversion” and it is antisemitic.

Younger generations during the cold war also supported the USSR and communism. Young people often are more radical and start to grow up their oppinions start to change.

@Mirage-pz

3 ай бұрын

Those "younger gen" are the boomers here and red scare is a thing if you forgot. Most hollywood and video games portray commie and soviet or russia as bad and its planted in them up and echoed through generation. Nothing has to do with growing up. Its how environment mold people and older gen spreading thier beliefs to youner one and cycle continue

Reject the dichotomy of supporting one camp and not the other. Plenty of activities of either group are shocking, ruthless, negligent or deluded. And they also believe God is with them, which is quaint

It’s interesting that you looked at ethnic backgrounds in America but not in Europe, I assume it’s because that data wasn’t available but I think it’s a pretty telling factor. In the US ethnic minorities are Hispanic or Black, while in Europe they’re mostly people from the Middle East. I think that would be a significant reason for Europe’s more pro Palestine stance.

@fusssel7178

6 ай бұрын

also a lot of european countries don't differentiate between ethnicities.

@kronus4915

6 ай бұрын

@@fusssel7178 yea, it’s illegal to collect ethnic data in France for example

@StormShadowHarris

6 ай бұрын

Speaking as a white British under-30 living in London, I can definitely see that affecting the data, but I don't think it *explains* the data. In other words, even if Britain was 100% white, I still think the younger generation would be significantly pro-Palestine.

@whatisahandle_69

6 ай бұрын

The easiest explanation is because young people have inherited a shitty status quo and they want to dismantle it.

@AcousticUplift

6 ай бұрын

I believe it's incorrect to say that in Europe that most non-white populations are from the ME. Plus, you don't have to be from that region to be Pro-Palestine. For example, some, if not many, Afrodescendants like myself see the struggle for Palestinian liberation as concomitant with other anti-colonial struggles. More widely, this is seen as part of the broader anti-racism movement.

The older generations have a collective remembrance of the Holocause and the atrocities against Jews, and therefore lived a long time where anti-semitism was a big issue in their society. The younger generation lived through 9/11, and US's wars in the Middle East, and so Islamophobia was the big societal issue that their generation was more cognizant of. I frequently hear older people say that Hamas is "anti-semitic"--they literally are killing Jews. But for the younger generations, what they see is an ethnic cleansing/genocide of Palestinian Arabs, violence at Mosques, and removal/limiting of rights. Millennials also see this as a race issue, by some conversations I've seen online. And so, it hits closer to home for them and to what societal issues they've cared about these past two decades.

@jahason01

6 ай бұрын

But the very older generation who experienced and thankfully survived Holocaust are also speaking out against Israel. This generation also witnessed the racism against Jews by British establishment that did not wish to welcome them as refugees to Britain. Reluctantly only letting Jewish children enter.

@alinadolzhenko6963

6 ай бұрын

that's bold to assume that Holocaust survivors who do not support Israel government's decisions like Gabor Mate to not have memories of Holocoust

@stratospheric37

6 ай бұрын

When antisemitism was a big issue in society people were more anti Jewish than pro Jewish in general, that's what a society with an antisemitism problem is. They weren't pro Israel because they liked Jews, they were so antisemitic they screwed up efforts at rescuing Jewish refugees from Europe. The thing with Gen Z is that they weren't adults during 9/11, and some don't remember it at all. So when they became capable of having political opinions, they came to more leftist positions than their "support the troops" predecessors. Now that they're adults they have access to the internet and watch less traditional news sources like TV News.

@rickstansby2284

6 ай бұрын

Before 10/7 Gen-Z was more likely to have heard about events like the March for Return protests than suicide bombers and hijackings of the 70s and 80s. Their opinions were more formed by acts of oppression by Israel against generally peaceful Palestinian protesters. Older generations are more likely to remember, and be influenced by, terrorist attacks.

@plasmakitten4261

6 ай бұрын

Both of those things are happening. Hamas is a genocidal terrorist group; Israel is a genocidal imperialist state. They just happen to disagree on who should die.

This video misses one big element: the universities!

Living in Wales, i’d imagine people here are more pro-palestine, as aell as in Scotland and Northen Ireland, as we have our histories with England taking our land etc. So like we have seen in the Republic of Ireland with their support very visual, i think one of the main reasons that support is higher in the UK, is the fact that Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish people are more likely to support palestine.

@DenkDeutsch

2 ай бұрын

only that Israel didn't take any land, and Israel is the one that has been attacked since its creation by the Arabs... if the Arabs only accepted a Jewish presence in the region there would be peace! it is that simple. to compare the British empire to Israel is just idiotic.

I also think that WW2 had a great influence on how the West sees ethnic Jews. Due to the holocaust a lot of people believed Israel deserved and needed western support, but as WW2 slowly becomes less relevant, younger generations focus on Israels actions in the present.

@carstengrooten3686

6 ай бұрын

In my opinion too, the compensation for the suffering of one people, should not be the cause of suffering for another. At some point you have to leave the past behind and focus on today. And the Israeli state denies the Palestinians from a right to existance, which imo can never be justified. Neither party has conducted themselves well, but the Palestinian stance is more undetstandable to me. Especially considering Israel is actively blocking a solution and they just keep fighting to dominate all of Palestine.

@jonathanrotem251

6 ай бұрын

​@@carstengrooten3686Israel offered peace and statehood to the Palestinians many times over, they always said no because they want Israel gone. Talk to Palestinians in the West Bank, most of them are not willing to compromise about this.

@abduking4204

6 ай бұрын

​@@jonathanrotem251nope they've always taken the most fertile profitable land whilst given the palistians the literal desert dooming palistian to a shit economy

@e31174

6 ай бұрын

It's only the most fertile land because Israeli people worked really hard to make it the most fertile land. When Israel was created they were given the same desert. Israel in it's formative years focused on nation building while Palestine during the same era focused on retaking the land that was just given to the Jewish people. Palestine along with other Arab nations tried and failed to quash Israel but they all failed and now Israel has prosperity while it's neighbor in Palestine doesn't. @@abduking4204

@lightlysaltedtaco4786

6 ай бұрын

​@jonathanrotem251 "here's the deal Palestinian, we get the 20% of land which is arable and economically viable in gaza and the west back so you can get the rest, now isn't that a good deal"

For older people, they remember Israel being a country formed by people who survived the holocaust and had to defend themselves against a bunch of neighbouring countries just to continue existing - so they were seen as the victim/underdog back in the day to boomers. Whereas today, young ppl see Israel as the powerful country and Palestine being the poor undeveloped state that’s trying to preserve its population and land so I guess it’s just the typical underdog David vs Goliath plot line that differed greatly between generations

@Sword_of_Flames

6 ай бұрын

Oversimplification

@SockieTheSockPuppet

6 ай бұрын

Ah yes, the "poor undeveloped state" that rejected dozens of peace offers that included half of Israel's land and a ready-made, fully-functional economy.

@nathaniellowe5100

6 ай бұрын

That's a good point. I do feel that older people have forgotten, that modern Israel isn't in those places anymore. Well they are, but they got bigger. A large part of the conflict, and why there has been no progress on the issue since the 60's is because Israel isn't in Israel any more. They have expanded into the bits marked as Palestine, kind of like how the East India company just sort of moved into India. I feel like this has resonated with the generation who are much more broadly coming to terms with our colonial past, and the actions our nations did long ago, and we don't want it repeated. Its like if America won a war with Mexico, and just sort of started building houses and moving in there, after winning, regardless of who started it, and kept doing it for the last 60 years, right up to last week, and counting. The last generation fought for Israel's right to exist. The younger generation just wants it to exist in those places, not that places where the locals are holding deeds to the houses they are knocking down.

@domerame5913

6 ай бұрын

@@nathaniellowe5100 Ahistorical take. It's not 'like' anything. It's not the East India company. It's not some random unfitting analogy. It's not david vs goliath. It is not a sob story about muh underdeveloped oppressed nation getting harassed by evil big nation. It's none of those things.

@ETBrooD

6 ай бұрын

That's not all there's to it. Hamas is clearly a terrorist group. But people have a really hard time understanding the concept that two wrongs don't make a right. Some people think Israel is in the wrong and conclude that therefore Hamas must be in the right. That's obviously a very immature view of the world. The reality is that Israel's administration and many of its people have done horrible things to Palestinians. Meanwhile Hamas has done equally horrible things to Israeli people (and to Palestinians as well). When you tell people that, their head explodes. They can't figure out how there can be multiple bad guys against each other in one conflict, and no good guy to be found anywhere.

Another reason is while older generations may have only had mainstream media which is often influenced by political and capitalist narratives, social media has allowed to open source news. This makes witnessing reality a lot easier.

@gawain2270

4 ай бұрын

Your not technically wrong but i see just as much, if not even more problems with social media then Mainstream media. Mainstream media might sometimes be biased or influenced but social media post often times blatantly lie or put things completly out of context. Just today i saw a social media post that said „israel started the war on the arabs in 1948“ which is simply lying. There is no opinion about this, it’s a fact that the arab nations attacked israel on their own while Israel wasnt showing any aggression whatsoever. I personally think that this matter isnt something you should have an opinion about without knowing the full history about… and there is a fckin load of things that happened a long time ago in this conflict that older generations remember but younger ones never heard about. I personally was pro palestine before i had to work the whole history out for a school project. Thats when i realised how unfair the Israels have been treated not just by palestines but egypts Iran and so on.

@KarlSnarks

4 ай бұрын

Yeah absolutely, while the online media landscape has its own serious flaws, I do think that in the TV-era there was a lot more manufactured consent. Another thing that changed, is that there's a lot more on the ground footage, so it's harder to look past the human cost. And for non-Israelis, Israeli propaganda targeted at its own people seems completely unhinged, because non-Israelis haven't been fed those lies 24/7 since they were young.

@hanarielgodlike9283

3 ай бұрын

Funny how i was anticapitalist untill I got social media and saw the pro-capitalists argument

Why are the questions phrased so poorly? Its not about supporting Hamas, its about supporting Palestine.

Meh. There is always too much focus on sides and not enough on goals. "who do you support?" is a question that inherently invites conflict. It should be "what do you think should be the future of the Israel/Palestine situation?" 1. They split into two countries and do their own things 2. Integration into a single country Of course there is basically a 0% chance of either. People are more concerned for their side to be right than how to have a peaceful future.

@romangysse3690

5 ай бұрын

The problem is that they can't agree on a lot of what could lead to a two states solution. First, let's be honest, the US has its thumb on the scale which means Palestine will get the short end of the stick as long as there can't be fair negocitations. Second there is an obvious religious problem. To me it shouldn't be relevant in political negociations but clearly they see things differently as both want Jerusalem, the place being a religious symbol in all monotheist cults. Trump didn't help when he declared the US embassy had to be in Jerusalem instead of Tel Aviv. Third, access to economical commodities. In 1948 Palestine lost a lot of farmland and it's access to the sea. Basically as Israel colonised more Palestinian lands, Palestine ended up divided between Gaza and the West Bank, which isn't even half what they originally owned. They need to be compensated for that. And now they would also need to be compensated for the destruction of Gaza...

@Excelsior1937

4 ай бұрын

“There is always too much focus on sides and not enough on goals” There it is. The problem with modern politics

@reallyradrats

4 ай бұрын

@@EdgeLieextremists on both sides? you mean the literal nazis throwing white phosphorus on innocents, destroy homes and lives vs a kid with a rock?

@bednarjozef

4 ай бұрын

They do not want compensation. When an Arab sells a house to a jew in west bank he is murdered by a mob in the streets. Even if he is not, he can be sentenced to death by PLO court. Abbas has been commuting these sentences but still, unrealistically risky.@@romangysse3690

@yurikadzz

4 ай бұрын

the state of Israel is inherently violent, such thing as a peaceful coexistence isn´t possible because the zionist project is to erase the native palestinian population in the first place.

I think there is a problem with the questions referring interchangeably to pro hamas or pro Palestine, many people see them as different.

@sleezysim1228

6 ай бұрын

They are different?

@jhonatancock2302

6 ай бұрын

hamas is the elected and defacto goverment in gaza since 2006.

@From-North-Jersey

6 ай бұрын

The palistinians voted to put hammas terrorists in charge, there is no difference between hamas and palestine.

@sleezysim1228

6 ай бұрын

@@jhonatancock2302 Hamas stopped election once they were voted into power. There was this deleted statement by Abbas that Hamas does not represent Palestine.

@merlin5849

6 ай бұрын

It's important to differentiate between the terrorists and Palestinian civilians but let's not forget the Palestinians chose hamas and most of them support them so you can understand the generalization

If you can separate from the false equivalency that Israel = Netanyahu and/or Palestine = Hamas, it starts to be something to talk about. Until you make it clear what you're talking about, you're not saying anything.

The prevalence of social media means that real people share their experiences, among these people are Palestinians, they share their real suffering, and people close to what is happening share their suffering, not media. A video filmed on a phone by someone seeing their home destroyed is more convincing than someone talking on TV.

@s.b.662

5 ай бұрын

Exactly. It's one thing when you hear numbers of children killed by IOF it's another thing seeing right before your eyes a heartless soldier kicking a five year old who lays on the ground. Seeing how settlers kill and terrorise while soldier stand by and laugh. I will never forget these images and I will Stand with Palestine until it's free!

@celia5957

5 ай бұрын

I feel like young people look at numbers a lot and think “okay there are more deaths on this one, so the other group is in the wrong” but the fact is that this war VERY this one is complicated and understanding the entire history both politically and religiously is very important. There are many factors and parties in this war, it is not just numbers. Throwing around terms and words like “genocide, colonialism, ethnic cleaning, settlers” and much more doesn’t make it any more true. They see these terms online in regards to the war and think that they’re real but I doubt that they know what they mean. Blindly calling out genocide and saying phrases like from the river to sea without knowing what they even mean just because people online are doing it. The exact same thing goes for those supporting Hamas aka terrorism. They don’t know what it means or what they stand for. The Hamas doesn’t care abt the Palestinians and contrary to a privileged white American woman living in complete safety, no it’s not resistance. Yes it’s sad when you see those videos but there’s a lot more to the war than just those videos and it’s not true that they’re heartless soldiers just doing it bc they feel like it. The children that have died are because of the bombs.

@celia5957

5 ай бұрын

@@s.b.662that’s false

@s.b.662

5 ай бұрын

@@celia5957 Yeah beating up children is flase. Making excuses for beating up children is false. And supporting people who beat up children is false. I agree with that

@s.b.662

5 ай бұрын

@@celia5957 Sorry but I think I will go with the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention and their expertise instead of yours. You can choose to stay silent but that makes you complicit

Another reason: the Palestinian people have documented what is going on on the ground in real time. So people outside of Palestinian can see a none mainstream media perspective of the situation. It makes the situation feel less far away and more visceral

@duovigintillongaming3779

6 ай бұрын

Maybe that's why I'm pro Israel, I follow news, see analysis etc. but never see stuff like photographs of the actual warzone. To me war is just arrows and lines on a map😅 hence my opinions are entirely based on a purely academic understanding of the war with emotions not playing a large role.

@miseendriste6337

6 ай бұрын

@@duovigintillongaming3779 You could have a purely academic understanding of war like Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein and Edward Said and be pro palestinian. Was their academic contribution rooted in emotions?

@lancetheking7524

6 ай бұрын

Commenting incase smth brews

@hiushiko

6 ай бұрын

@@duovigintillongaming3779 purely academic understanding? Stop kidding yourself

@abumefak2

5 ай бұрын

Watching social media stories from both sides showed who is really the victim in this conflict ,and who is really suffering and has been suffering for a very long of time , time were never been put the light on in traditional media.

what the hell, not a single mention that an eradication of a people by a state military might wouldn't sit well with young people that actually see what is happening?

@Strange9952

5 ай бұрын

They don't see what is happening, they have been influenced immensely by propaganda.

@f.j.s8345

4 ай бұрын

Because thats not what is actually happening, Isreal has accepted a two state system continuously, Hamas hardly ever. Isreal does not want to eradicate Palestine, Zionists may wish that that was true but they are extremists. Isreal’s actual stance since 1967 is to survive and yes they may be much stronger than Palestine, but thats not their issue, they don’t care about eradicating or not eradicating them. They just want to survive if Jordan, Syria, Iran and Egypt decide to invade, which has happened numerous times and is still very likely.

I think Palestine is going to be North Vietnam, as if they did in Vietnam war. At that time, young people(so called hippy) saw North vietnam and vietcongs as "the righteous hero fighting for vietnamese and anti-imperialism", although they also genocided and tortured many south vietmanese. In contrast, US was criticized for having done war crime by media, as Israel is now. History is being repeated.

I am glad you actually acknowledge how demographic changes effects politics

@julianshepherd2038

6 ай бұрын

Affects but yeah

@osheridan

6 ай бұрын

🤓 Affects*

@BlackDoveNYC

6 ай бұрын

I knew this was the case but wondered if it’d be acknowledged.

@VandalAudi

6 ай бұрын

Uhhhh, isn't it obvious? The only one who doesn't follow this rule is North Korea.

@readisgooddewaterkant7890

6 ай бұрын

cool profile picture

I'm troubled by the lack of distinction between Palestine and Hamas here. This is a common trend across most media, even the social media mentioned. I also struggle to find the large numbers of pro-Palestine sentiment mentioned here, seeing mostly support and exaggerated outrage at anyone who isn't supporting Israel. Those who don't do the latter tend, in my experience, to do what's being done here and tacitly conflate the Palestine with the terrorists.

@kev492001

6 ай бұрын

If you are pro-Palestine, you are pro-Hamas, they are pretty much the same thing, the Palestinians support Hamas, just like Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, Iran, Saudi Arabia are all pro-Hamas/terrorism.

@nicywailey157

6 ай бұрын

💯

@yowifeinmydm1609

6 ай бұрын

In my opinion it’s the other way around. Hamas is getting literally all of the blame at least in Europe while Palestinian civilians are not mentioned at all. We have seen the images of hostages being dragged around the city and how ordinary civilians were hitting, spitting and desecrating them. Furthermore it’s known that the majority of civilians supports Hamas, do celebrate every death of jews and radicalise their children from a young age. They allowed them to build those tunnel systems under hospitals, schools, kindergartens and leaving there armoury in those buildings. Every year the Hamas is growing and gaining aprox. 2000 - 3500 new terrorists. These are all children of family’s who usually completely support their decisions. The civilians are definitely to blame and not innocent.

@manoschaniotakis3328

6 ай бұрын

I sympathise with Palestinians, however Hamas is their government so even though its kind of their dictatorship now, they are still not completely two different entities.

@johnjames502

6 ай бұрын

Hamas and palestine are one and the same

What the fuck? At 3:30 minute there is a graf about who supports Israel and who supports Hamas but there is not even a word about someone who could support Palestine but not Hamas? Did you ever hear the word objectivity?

@xFrostBiteMC

3 ай бұрын

This video is actually brain rot... the producers who made this have never taken a college-level statistics class in their entire lives. I'd be surprised if any of them even made it to college.

@C0ntrasteBr

2 ай бұрын

@@xFrostBiteMC you talking like you could do better lil bro.

@xFrostBiteMC

2 ай бұрын

@@C0ntrasteBr I’m not trying to say I am the most qualified, but that doesn’t change the fact that they did a bad job. Even then, I’m a third-year business economics major at a top 25 university, so yeah I think it’s safe to say I could do better than whatever college dropout or liberal arts major that made this video.

@xFrostBiteMC

2 ай бұрын

@@C0ntrasteBr crazy u calling ppl you don’t even know “lil bro” though… if ur ballsy enough to talk like that in real life, ur gonna lil bro the wrong person one day.

@C0ntrasteBr

2 ай бұрын

@@xFrostBiteMC ok could you tell me the factors why is this incorrect?

also the graphs at 6:58 and 7:10 make no sense. things don't add up and there seem to be percentages missing. am I reading it wrong?

Its pretty sad how highly nuanced and complicated issues are framed to have a clear left-wing, right-wing disctintion causing individuals to side with thier political counterparts, rather than indepently research, understand and formulate a view on the issue.

@BigJiad

6 ай бұрын

What’s complicated about it? The evangelicals, jews, and corporations made a deal that would benefit them all, create a jewish country in the middle east. Now ask yourself this? Did the Palestinians deserve this and living in a prison for 70 years with a dash of genocide here and there? If no, congratulations you’re a human being!

@54032Zepol

6 ай бұрын

Yeup, Israel is right.

@antman7673

6 ай бұрын

I don’t think everyone should be required to research every topic. The media is at fault for not conveying nuance. -They have one job.

@abadirabdo10

6 ай бұрын

Nothing is complicated about it. If you can build Apethied wall and then arm a violent settlers. Then you are the bad guys

@ericbondurant

6 ай бұрын

@@54032Zepolright about what? Just murdering 4k kids?

I have difficulties about "pro Palestine" and "pro Israel". I am both, against Hamas AND against Netanyahus government. But I am completely neutral when it comes to the people. No matter if it is gonna be a "one state" or "two state" solution. As soon as the ruling people will get their shit together and manage to live peacefully and democratic with each other, the majority on both sides won't care. Unfortunately, at the moment and for the last years, both ruling "elites" benefited by further escalating the situation.

@Saphira-Seraphina

6 ай бұрын

Woah, thank you. I don't have a completely formed opinion yet, but I agree with your statement!

@violetraven9440

6 ай бұрын

same it's pretty much two groups of nazis who think they are the superior people and kill civilians israil is more powerful so they have just done more

@RealLargeManTheGiantOne

6 ай бұрын

Pro palestine does NOT mean pro hamas

@matejkacmar325

6 ай бұрын

​@@RealLargeManTheGiantOneso what does it mean? Palestines dont fight, but they democratically elected Hamas...

@RealLargeManTheGiantOne

6 ай бұрын

@@matejkacmar325 over 70% percent of the palestinian population was too young to vote when hamas got elected, and Israel funded Hamas to push out the more moderate palestinian parties.

Because we are clear thinkers. When information is presented we don't take it as true. We actually research it.

@SithStudy

Ай бұрын

How da hell can u still support Hamas after research?

@RizZRizZ-

Ай бұрын

Lol

@stcrrynght984

Ай бұрын

@@SithStudy being pro palestine and pro hamas aren't the same

@daiishi_kinyoubi

8 күн бұрын

You do “research” and turn a war into an internet war lol

There is also a question of whether nominally Palestinian support is really support for human rightrs generally. One doesn't have to be a Palestinian supporter to believe they have the right to self-determination, for instance.

@s.b.662

Ай бұрын

Why do you say Palestinian supporter as if that is a bad thing? If you support that Palestinians people have a right to basic human rights then yes you ARE a Palestinian supporter. Palestinian supporter means human supporter. That is a good thing.

@throckmortensnivel2850

Ай бұрын

@@s.b.662 You're quite correct. What I was trying to point out is the media characterization seems to deny that human rights supporters could support human rights for Palestinians. It gets turned around in a more serious way when they characterize support for Palestinian human rights as "Hamas supporters". Human rights supporters support human rights for Palestinians. Palestinian supporters don't necessarily support human rights for all. In this case, therefore, they should be referred to as human rights supporters, not as if they were partisan Palestinian supporters. Perhaps I wasn't clear.

One part of that pole is kind of interesting at 3:36. It compares standing with Israel in opposition to standing with Hamas, which doesn't seem to be the common sentiment. Young people tend to dislike Hamas, but stand with the Palestinians. And have been going to great lengths to separate the two. As Hamas is basically a terrorist group, while the Palestinians are an oppressed people.

@locallyringedspace3190

6 ай бұрын

Meanwhile, Isreal is doing everything in their power to make sure as many Palestinians join Hamas as possible.

@hollow9846

6 ай бұрын

exactly this

@ayushnayak4060

6 ай бұрын

what is a palestinian?? there is no historical justification for muslim arabs to claim all of the area. Palestine was the name the romans used cuz they hated jewish rebels and jewish monotheism.

@millycakeck

6 ай бұрын

just said my thoughts out loud! i also found it weird when they compared israel and hamas

@mundt_

6 ай бұрын

yeah that question was not framed well and they could of chosen to highlight other questions even from that same poll, or chosen to show similar questions from other polls

The available alternative source of news and media as you mentioned is probably the biggest factor. The generations before did not have that kind of alternative media and therefore being fed all their information by their main news outlet, whether it is true of false. Alternative media today is a double edge sword. You see both sides and make your own decisions but algorithms create an echo chamber and whichever side you start leaning towards, you get more and more of that content which eventually erases the views on the other side. Its important to understand your sources and not fall into echo chambers.

@chodoboy

6 ай бұрын

Social media is often just as bad if not worse than traditional media. Short propaganda riddled messages without nuance. Long discussion and deep understanding don't come from Twitter and TicTok which is where young people get most of their "news".

@EastGuitarWorks

6 ай бұрын

@@chodoboy you can find them if you bother looking. Which is why i said its a double edge sword. But at least you have 2 sides to compare and make your own decision. If someone bases their decisions on purely short useless/biased snippets, they are not smart

@EastGuitarWorks

6 ай бұрын

Better than only having 1 source of information which you dont have an opposing view to question. Unless that media is 100% trustable but in my opinion, everything is biased in their own way. You make the decision yourself and dont let others make them for you

@David-sl6xf

6 ай бұрын

The problems is that "alternative media" really isn't that much better than "mainstream media" when it comes to propaganda and misinformation. You'll probably get different perspectives, but I am quite skeptical that people who get their news from Twitter, TikTok and social media are somehow more informed than someone who watches CNN all day. In fact I would argue it's very likely the opposite is true.

@EastGuitarWorks

6 ай бұрын

@@David-sl6xf I partly agree with you, its not better nor worse. I just feel that its better to have multiple sources of information, that way, we can make up our own minds. We are both having this conversation because we both watched a youtube video (which i'd consider an alternative source of information as well). Im glad to be able to have these conversations because its always important to put yourself in the opposing shoes. We would not be having a conversation like this if not for alternative media

because they learn history on tiktok

@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx

3 ай бұрын

Not really. The corporate media shows vast amounts about how wonderful the State of Israel supposedly is, and lots of younger people see that media. The Palestinian perspective is ignored.

@Lenevor

3 ай бұрын

@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx I can assure you nobody was getting Jewish content in their feed unless they were jewish

@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx

3 ай бұрын

​@@Lenevor What is 'Jewish content'? That could be recipes for Kosher meals, Jewish Voice for Peace anti-Zionist news, how to date other Jewish people... or it could be something generated by Israel, as that state proclaimed in 1948 that it has the monopoly on Jewishness. That last point, of course, leads to the anti-semitic conclusion that the vast historic crimes committed by that cultic, Zionist state are to be laid at the feet of all Jewish people. In the same way that the Israeli government blames all Palestinians for the crimes of Hamas and the PIJ. An objective analysis of the corporate Western media - here in the UK, in Europe, the USA and Australia - would show a long-standing bias towards the State of Israel. For example: "Leaks from within CNN reveal that for months its executives have been actively imposing an editorial line designed to reinforce Israel’s framing of events in Gaza, to the point of obscuring atrocities by the Israeli military. The dictates, say insiders, have resulted in senior staff refusing to accept assignments to the region "because they do not believe they will be free to tell the whole story". Others suspect they are being kept away by editors who fear they will fight the restrictions. Internal memos insist that stories be approved by the station’s Jerusalem bureau, where staff are widely seen as partisans who slant reports in Israel’s favour. Palestinian perspectives are tightly restricted." www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/cnn-israel-bias-laid-bare-norm-not-exception

@YourCupOfTea_

3 ай бұрын

Palestine Is a terrorist state @@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx

@user-qx4zc3ph2m

3 ай бұрын

​​@@LenevorI'm not jews but at the beginning of the conflict I have seen a lot of sponsored pro-Israel video and one pro-Israel KZread ad.

"Non-whites are more likely to be pro-Palestine." With that information ALONE, you should know who is on the correct side of history.

Are these polls maybe biased by using the terms Hamas compared to palestine? Probably most people stand with Israel instead of Hamas but stand with palestine instead of israel

@garystu9878

6 ай бұрын

It would be interesting if they made a poll where “Israel” is replaced with “Likud” or “Netanyahu” or “the IDF” instead.

@davidtodd3401

6 ай бұрын

The Palestinians voted in Hamas and I've yet to hear a single Palestinian condemn Hamas' actions or call for the release of hostages so they war will stop. They just want Israel to give up so they can commit genocide against the Jews the way they've been trying to since Israel reclaimed the land.

@theblackswordsman9951

6 ай бұрын

And yet a lot of young people still think Israel aren't justified in wiping out Hamas, a group that wants to destroy Israel and it's people lol. Young people are more propagandised than i thought

@zeccy337

6 ай бұрын

Poll is definitely biased, not a single person stands with Hamas, people are just against Israel and their blatant disregard for human lives. It's the media that insists on using Hamas as a scapegoat because it's the only way they can even attempt to justify the genocide of thousands of Palestinians. Israel bombing numerous hospitals is inexcusable but push the narrative that those hospitals are filled with terrorist and suddenly it's okay. So that's the story they're rolling with. Schools filled with missiles, hospitals where doctors are terrorists, churches full of guns, refugee camps riddled with missile launchers

@ThatBasedGuy

6 ай бұрын

Only 1 out of like 10 graphs shown used Hamas instead of Palestine

Older generations also watch mainstream media (cnn,fox etc) and mainstream media is very biased when reporting about this subject. While younger Generations rely on more newer methods to see the conflict (things like gazan reporters on ground with actual footage of what’s happening)

@secretahsieg

6 ай бұрын

Which are nothing more than unverified biased sources from Instagram

@fungunsun1

6 ай бұрын

And social media is also extremely biased and manufactured

@ratatata6611

6 ай бұрын

​@@fungunsun1if you allow to limit your views! If you see social media holisticly you'll see Pro Palestine is the majority

@spehhhsssmarineer8961

6 ай бұрын

You mean all of the propaganda videos young people are fed by social media? Corporate media is bad, but so is the garbage spewed on the internet. For example, an entire group of young people were convinced that a navy vessel on the WEST coast was bound with weapons to Israel and they attempted to board it. That isn’t something people do unless they were lied to.

@plasmakitten4261

6 ай бұрын

@@fungunsun1 True, but by everyone at once instead of a single actor. So you can compare every different biased perspective to find the one most in line with the facts.

young people can't rent a flat nor keep their eyes out of a screen for more than 30 seconds

I think the graph in 3:34 should mean that people support Palestinians more not Hamas as an organization, that could be misleading

The demographic analysis was interesting, but it would have been even more interesting if you'd taken a bit of a deeper dive into the reasons. I suspect that younger generations see Israel as more the aggressor party (think West Bank settlements) as well as the group with significantly more power (economic and militarily) than the Palestinians. Older generations likely have their views tempered by the regional wars Israel had to fight a few decades ago.

@edentyler-moss1157

6 ай бұрын

Younger generations have grown up with a distrust of Western military action being a defining political trait (thanks to Iraq, Afghanistan, NSA spying, Syria, Yemen, etc.). Rightly or wrongly Israel is perceived the same, as western countries imposing military power on Palestinians. I wonder if without 9/11 there'd have been some sort of solution by now.

@juniorolumide

6 ай бұрын

You mean centuries ago?

@neeneko

6 ай бұрын

Or at minimal, the older generation, more dependent on centralized media, have really absorbed the framing they were supposed to absorb. These are the same people who still believe in super predators, and the 'war on drugs', and all those other pretexts they were immersed in. They had that conflict spoon fed to them with a specific narrative, and they became invested in it, and like so many things, double down when questioned since to question that narrative is to question their beliefs and identity.

@docken11

6 ай бұрын

@@juniorolumide Israel has had to fight 6 wars since 1948, so no not "centuries ago"...

@docken11

6 ай бұрын

@@neeneko Pretty arrogant and paternalistic view there. You could invert that and claim the younger generation is swallowing all the culture war, pro-Palestinian tiktok soft propaganda being put out by a variety of sources... neither comment really says anything insightful, other than some people may be susceptible than others, but to suggest one generation or another is more prone to it is incredibly naïve, to say the least.

The title promised to answer WHY, and the entire video just drills home the data of how it is. There is no "why" substance here at all.

Personally I don’t take a side because I know neither sides are entirely correct. And I don’t fully understand what’s happening enough to be able to make an accurate decision.

Just as a question - are the posts on social media for one side or another a *cause* of support amongst millennials for Palestine or an *effect*? Because these days a lot of youtube “Why” videos seem to conflate the phenomenon or symptom of the issue they are discussing and the origin or the inciting factor leading to said issue.

There's a prevalence of "oppressor vs oppressed" perspective that frames the weaker one as "good." Furthermore, the only wars millennials and younger have experienced have been Iraq and Afghanistan, which many perceived as futile and about exploitation of resources

@basilalk

6 ай бұрын

atleast they can understand and justify war for material gains. younger generations however are seeing the backwards ideologies of zionists that have no material or logical reasoning, just a cult.

@shadowstorm5261

6 ай бұрын

It's not seemed as that, it was and there I clear proof of that coming from their own mouths while they stand there proudly

@uchihasenpai5671

6 ай бұрын

TRue@@shadowstorm5261

@zertyuz

6 ай бұрын

Turns out, the weaker power is incapable of defending itself. As always.

@Hexagonian

6 ай бұрын

@@zertyuz idk, Ukraine is doing well enough...

Funny how the polling is phrased as "support Hamas" instead of Palestine, that probably skews the results towards the Israeli side. Proper polling identifies how a question might implicate bias and cause inaccurate results. Despite this the decrease in Israel support is evident, but it would probably be greater if the questions weren't inherently biased. (Don't read the rest unless you're debating in the comments :D) Edit: I'm just gonna say this here so every unhinged person in the replies sees this. Hamas is not Palestine full-stop. "Why would Palestinians support Hamas?/why is Hamas popular" because a Palestinian child whose family is killed in a bomb on his house is gonna see the people who BOMBED HIS HOUSE as the terrorists and not the ones that claim to be fighting on his behalf against them. Hamas exists AND WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST until the Israeli occupation ends. If there was no oppression, there would be no need to "fight back" (as Hamas claims to do). Israel sets the bar for the violence and not only funded Hamas to undermine Fatah, but also gives it a reason to exist in the first place. Either way this entire discussion is meaningless because EVEN IF every Palestinian man, woman, and child was pro Hamas and EVEN IF the claims of Hamas tunnels under hospitals, schools and refugee camps were true IT IS NOT JUSTIFICATION FOR BOMBING THOSE PLACES AND KILLING THOSE PEOPLE. If your civilian casualty rate is over 99% (with 5000 *Bows* Thank you 😘 Edit 2: I am gonna stop arguing in the comments because nobody wants to have a good-faith discussion, all your arguments have to circumvent the fact that Israel is killing civilians (many of whom are kids). I cannot understand how anyone with a semblance of humanity can't look at what's happening in Gaza in utter disgust, the only explanation I have is somehow seeing the Palestinians as, as the IDF spokesperson put it, "Human Animals"

@captainfungi4711

6 ай бұрын

well the question they asked was probably "do you support hamas over israel?" not "do you support palestine over israel?"

@AZ-dj1ni

6 ай бұрын

Well, in the media you always hear "Do you condemn HAMAS for its actions?", but you will never hear "Do you condemn Israel for its actions?" Israel has every right to "Self-Defense" but go around killing civilians in the name of self-defense? For ME (MY OPINION) Neither of the 2 are different, BOTH are going to meet their Objectives (Call it whatever name you want) AT ANY COST

@farble1670

6 ай бұрын

Hamas is the elected government of the region. It's not biased to ask if the population that elected them still supports their actions. Unfortunately the answer is yes.

@ahiaamrosi5459

6 ай бұрын

​@@AZ-dj1nie.g -gen Z

@abydosianchulac2

6 ай бұрын

​@@farble1670It's the elected government, but they haven't held elections since they drove their political opponents out of Gaza.

Because we're smart

I don't understand the "non-hispanic" labels at 6:51, why are all other ethnicities "non-hispanic"?

过去的几十年只有震耳欲聋的沉默。而现在更多的人看到了事情的真相，并开始讨论了，这才是最好的结果。

I wish more videos were like this. No hate, no rage, just good hearted research and curiosity. Thank you!

@geezy6996

6 ай бұрын

He missed the main point,and why social media grew more pro Palestinian on the 20th, cause of the indiscriminate bombing and forced displacement of the Palestinian people, Also woke people up to what Israel has been doing for years

@abdelrahmanahmed2415

6 ай бұрын

I am sorry but how is that when he explicitly says stand with hamas instead of palestine when its obvious caring for human lives is not the same as supporting a terrorist organisation.

@darquanjr

6 ай бұрын

He is still biased tho. Or at least framing it wrong.

@RightfootWestHam

6 ай бұрын

Missing a lot of information though, like the hatred of jews and how that is a massive pulling factor in this case.

@echo5935

6 ай бұрын

@@RightfootWestHamthey are the culprits. Every country they have been they have been kicked out and I think thats for a reason

Social media is by far the most influential factor in the rise of pro-Palestine sentiment.

@robertman6258

3 ай бұрын

It is interesting that the number of pro Palestinian TicToc posts climbed measurably right after Oct 7th - months before Israel's military response. Something heartwarming about the murder of 1200 civilians, the rape and mutilation of women, and the illegal taking and torturing of Hostages. You would think sympathy would have been with the victims at least initially and then a backlash once Israel responded militarily to rescue the hostages. Perhaps if some other country was attacked like that the public support would have looked different.

@alifffakarudin2134

3 ай бұрын

bombing civilians are not act of saving hostages. in the end, zionist main objectives is not saving the hostages. its about killing people in Gaza as many as their can and take gaza as their own. i do not condone hamas action of taking hostages and other unnecessary violent, but the double standard is real. where are you to condemn IDF atrocities towards palestinian before 7 october? where are you to condemn IDF backing extremist jewish settler forcefully evicting palestinian from their home at the west bank?@@robertman6258

@HillelSabban

3 ай бұрын

@@robertman6258 I agree its become "cool" to support Palestine much like people are allowed to say racist jokes about white people because every thing in the world that is "less powerful" is "oppressed" so Israel is opressing Palestinians its also "cool" because its considered contraversial to support Palestine among the older people (because they have sense in their head) so teens feel cool saying these stuff this leads to more pro Palestinians and the loop doesn't stop

@AttaBek1422

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@robertman6258 It’s 800 civilians, most of whom probably killed by the Hannibal Doctrine (look it up). There is absolutely no evidence of rape and torture either

@betaplain297

3 ай бұрын

@@robertman6258 I'd recommend fixing your comment to Spell TikTok correctly before someone bashes you for not spelling it correctly. Have a wonderful day, God bless.

4:30 the graphs and the words spoken don't seem to align. Do I miss something here?

The chart at 4:31 has a typo. Appears as though Democrats were labeled red w/Republican blue. SB Democrats-Blue, Republicans-Red

I don't think it's a coincidence that there's a sharp change in people who came of age during the "war on terror". We saw our own government manufacture evidence to justify a war. I know I'm a lot more skeptical about official statements, especially where foreign affairs are involved. I was in middle school in 2001. Seeing the rise in Islamophobia and the genocidal rhetoric from people I had thought were reasonable had a profound impact. Especially since it came the same year we covered the holocaust.

@kevinnugent223

6 ай бұрын

The government didn't manufacture evidence, that's where the intelligence led us . The whole world thought Hussein had those weapons because he led everyone to believe he did . He didnt want to be attacked by another country after loosing the gulf war .There's a documentary on it .

i am geneuinely impressed at the complete absence of opinions in this video. this is probably the most sensitive and controversial topic right now and this is the first video i've seen that expresses absolutely no opinions whatsoever. you have my deep respect.

@jytvreal

6 ай бұрын

Because they dont watch TV so they aren't exposed to zionist media

@joelkroodsma4903

6 ай бұрын

Yeah agreed. An example for the guardians of this world

@HorizonMakes

6 ай бұрын

TLDR are actually the most unbiased news source I found on most things, especially this conflict. Traditional media can learn a thing or two.

@magnus1689

6 ай бұрын

It's why I watch them. I generally never finish feeling angry or frightened. Just more informed. As they are not trying to con us into paying attention for ad revenue.

@JTom52

6 ай бұрын

@kxuydhj good to know you are completely ignorant of any facts of the situation. This wasn't a video that was "complete absence of opinions" it was completely absent of opinions you disagree with, there is a difference.

Easy answer, it’s trendy. Brainwashing is pretty easy through social media

@daiishi_kinyoubi

8 күн бұрын

True

The first half of this video is you just saying numbers. My brain just glazed over.

Young people are tired of old people stealing their money, refusing to help them, and having the gall to think they’re going to fight in these wars old people create.

@michaelstrelnikov

6 ай бұрын

Why somebody should do anything for them? Parents provided their childhood until they became young adults. It is their job to live further.

@maureen2777

6 ай бұрын

@@michaelstrelnikov I’m not a young person, I am GenX. I see the difference in what was provided for Boomers in comparison to what is being provided now. If you fail to see that blatant difference, you’re being purposely obtuse.

@michaelstrelnikov

6 ай бұрын

@@maureen2777 Exactly. The "information" (or better to say propaganda) is delivered in unprecedented rate. And absolute most is biased and do not represent facts. Young people are an easy target since they are more tend to watch short videos rather researching.

@maureen2777

6 ай бұрын

@@michaelstrelnikov I have no clue what you’re talking about. I do not support Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. I came to this conclusion by familiarizing myself with Jewish scholars, activists, and journalists. Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Maté, Gideon Levy, and Noam Chomsky. You completely avoided my initial premise by speaking about parents providing for young adults. This conversation has nothing to do with parents, we’re speaking on the government. You follow up with more nonsense. Are you inebriated?

@michaelstrelnikov

6 ай бұрын

@@maureen2777 You can support of disappove. Israel treats others as other treats Israel. If palestinians want to kill Jews, Israel close its borders and do not allow passage. Very simple. If people want to create a peaceful country - Israel is all for it. I would suggest you to treat people as you want to be treated.

Another thing to note is that Netanyahu has been the most right-wing PM in Israel's history and has been doing everything he can to seize more and more power hence the recent protests against his proposed changes to the Supreme Court. This makes younger people more skeptical of Israel being the only democracy in the middle east. Everyone agrees that the attack by Hamas is awful and that the real victims in this war are the people who just want to live their lives.

@texasyojimbo

5 ай бұрын

Yes, Netanyahu *is* objectively terrible. I am a Millennial and lean more towards "support Israel."

@ritaneko551

5 ай бұрын

Except that you cant live your life if you are in the oppressed group like Jim crow era

@waltysalamander

5 ай бұрын

@@ritaneko551 Are you trying to say Israel is an apartheid state? I really hope you're not because that is factually wrong. Take this quote from the second holiest piece of literature in Islam, a piece that every Palestinian is familiar with, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." It's far worse than segregation, they will kill any Jew that sets foot in their territory. Then take Israel's declaration of independence, "WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions." I don't see any apartheid in that!

@DaDARKPass

5 ай бұрын

Not everyone agrees - that's the problem. Far too many young people are stupid enough to support Hamas. Don't pretend being pro-Palestine is some rational "empathetic" decision: it's a decision made out of ignorance and stupidity.

@amnaa9305

5 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@waltysalamanderoh my god ur actually insane, why not compare the talmud to that excerpt from the quran instead. like you’re literally seeing israel kill thousands of palestinians, and yet you’re hypothetically talking about palestinians killing a bunch of jews

This shows Gen Z does not know or want to learn world history. Just believe everything on TikTok, it's unfortunate.

@BM-ee1sj

4 ай бұрын

Thats a propogandist argument

@starswillfall5716

Ай бұрын

Generalize much? 😆

I think its pretty simple most young people dont actually know the history and make incorrect assumptions I find it hilarious when pro-palestine or pro-israel guys say I need to be more educated when they dont even know a drop of the history behind the conflict I lean more towards Israel but I dont agree with everything on the Israel side the main thing I agree with is the quote "if Israel laid down its arms there would be no more Israel if the Arabs laid down their arms there would be no more war" but neither will happen for a long time

I feel like it is more related to younger people are watching independent media and get the narrative from both side. Adding to that young people are more distrusting of the government and think they are corrupte and not acting in the best interest of the people. When adding all things up it makes sense

@Daosguard

6 ай бұрын

Also, young people are incredibly stupid.

@kristinab8019

6 ай бұрын

independent Facebook?!🤣 there is no such thing as an independent media, come on

@Phrancis5

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I don't think people are really getting the narrative from both sides. You have to remember that since the advent of the internet there is now far more "independent media" and social media, which is gonna be far more biased and partisan leaning with algorithms that serve each of us more of that content. That's far more polarizing or "radicalizing". There used to only be several large news orgs with journalists constrained by "the fairness doctrine" in news reporting to only report facts, present both sides fairly, and without opinion and editorial bias. It wasn't perfect, but a lot of news today is hyper partisan.

@shadowboyii

6 ай бұрын

@@Phrancis5 I mean we are getting extreme view from both side But at least not the view that the government feed us

@Phrancis5

6 ай бұрын

@@shadowboyii You're assuming the big legacy news orgs are "government feeds" and not adhering to journalistic standards. Do you think Watergate or the Pentagon Papers could've come out if the US government controlled the news? People tend to defend their ideological beliefs by denying objective facts or reporting. Worse yet, they turn to partisan news like Fox that tells em what they want to hear. Social media algorithms make it far more unlikely that most will fairly seek out counter arguments.

Please…PLEASE citate the fonts. You cannot show random graphics on a political argument, especially since the political groups are founding many of these researches.

Because they know how to google Zionism.

@omernahshon4608

3 ай бұрын

What’s wrong with Zionism?

@ElijahMV

3 ай бұрын

@@omernahshon4608Yeah. Zionism isn’t bad.

We're screwed

There are 29% of people between 18-24 olds who say, they stand with Hamas? That's crazy.

@MasterGhostf

6 ай бұрын

You'd be surprised. Many people think Hamas is just a peaceful organization and is fighting a liberation fight not actually a militant Islamist organization.

@specialingu

6 ай бұрын

​@@MasterGhostfthere's multiple layers/seporation to hamas I think. How separate they are I don't know, but some will presumably run local services, while others are militants or terrorist.

@MohammadSuleiman-nv7by

6 ай бұрын

It is very nuanced. Hamas actions does not exist in a vacuum. Many people see the formation and acts of Hamas as a response to decades of oppression. Keep in mind that even before Hamas came into power Palestinians were already being killed. People also forget that not all Hamas fighters fight for the same reason. Alot of the Hamas fighters are young and grew up in occupation and lost their families and homes. Any person who grew up subjugated to oppression will have a very destructive mindset and will never have any sympathy for their oppressors. These individuals would have never become Hamas fighters if they never grew up under occupation. Then there are Hamas fighters who do fight just because they enjoy destruction. These individuals exist in every army. Psychopaths are often drawn to positions of power. Many people believe that the constant bombardment of Gaza is just going to create another generation of mentally disturbed individuals who want to get revenge for what has happened to them. Hamas most definitely is the problem but the occupation is what created Hamas and Israel's extreme attacks on Palestine is what inspires/breaks Palestinians to become Hamas fighters. People need to get off their high horses. I know it's difficult to imagine but when our lives are relatively easy we think that we are morally incorruptible. I'm very sure many people would become terrorists if they had to endure what Palestinians went through.

The older generations remember an Israel that was the underdog, especially in the US where we cheer the underdog. It faced 4 states that were more or less capable and had joined in a coalition to attack the Jewish state. Today Israel is a regional superpower, nuclear armed and its former adversaries are a collection of failed states, collapsed economies, or states so riven with internal conflicts that they are nations only in name. This is the Israel that younger people know. They are more or less aware of the treatment dealt out to people in the occupied territories and how constant settler activity diminishes any chance for a peaceful two-state solution.

@BusArch42

5 ай бұрын

Except Gaza was not occupied for many many years. They had a two state solution and chose to attack Israel.

@guilhermesavoya2366

5 ай бұрын

@@BusArch42 Of course, Israel allowed Palestinians independence within a highly-dense, minuscule strip of land without any natural resources, while the rest of the land the Palestinian people lived was under occupation, even with the governing PLA collaborating with Israel, and Jewish settlement in Palestinian land being encouraged. And that is not to say that Gaza was blockaded from land and sea and the Gazans depended on their enemies for energy and sanitation. What an independent Palestine! What a two-state solution!

@BusArch42

5 ай бұрын

@@guilhermesavoya2366 their failure to develop power, water and sanitation using the money provided was their own choice. Instead that money was used by their legal government to fund terrorism. It’s no accident that Egypt blockaded Gaza also. They have a large sea access area that they could have used as well. These are violent people who do not want peace. They elected a terrorist organization to rule over them. The fact you say they are dependent on their “enemy” for physical infrastructure speaks volumes. You are correct. They view Israel as their enemy. How can there be peace when every single person in the Gaza Strip wants only to destroy Israel? Even so, Israel tolerated continual rocket attacks from Gaza for over 15 years. Gaza has been attacking Israel since they had the option. As far as over population - maybe stop having 20 kids? That’s a choice.

@s.aslahahmadfaizi4687

4 ай бұрын

@@BusArch42 You are incredibly brainwashed

@BusArch42

4 ай бұрын

@@s.aslahahmadfaizi4687 and you are not?

Being pro Palestine is not being pro hamas why would they phrase it this way

There is a huge difference between being "Pro" and being "Less Against"

@MrGoldenChocobo

6 ай бұрын

^This. Mass media from Fox News to CNN are all out there pretending that condemning genocide means you want the shoe on the other foot. How about no? Israel might be our allies but that doesn't mean I have to lie to myself and everyone else that they're the good guys and not the slightly less bad guys that we happen to be allied with.

@notfunny3397

6 ай бұрын

Hamas is funded by Iran which is kinda anti Sunni. Palestine is almost entirely Sunni. The people of Palestine and supporters of Palestine only put hamas one step below the Israeli government in terms of how badly they have to be dragged behind the shed and dealt with.

@Omer1996E.C

6 ай бұрын

If so, then probably more than 90 percent of everyone is "less against" to Palestine Even Piers Morgan started to show some more sympathy to Palestine, that's one example

@simshengvue4642

6 ай бұрын

That’s a cop out. Have the integrity to back your misplaced beliefs. Don’t act like you don’t know what decolonization and from the river to the sea mean. You’ve shown the person you are and now you don’t like it that we know who you are now.

@Ha-nz2vy

6 ай бұрын

@@simshengvue4642 Is the world you live in black and white? I'd love to see your POV on other things, in that case.

I agree with the analysis and would also add there's always a feedback loop to follow the herd on any issue, and once one side looks like it's the more popular it becomes reinforced much the same way as the SM algorithms push content

1:00 what do they mean by ceasefire now when they started the attack? are you supposed to do nothing when you're getting bombed?

@Sploberrie

3 ай бұрын

Not to mention that every time they do manage to negotiate ceasefire it's Hamas that breaks it first

@coquetteve

3 ай бұрын

Israel is ruthlessly killing more Palestinians each day ofc there needs to be a ceasefire are u dumb

@Akazarengoku208

3 ай бұрын

Maybe cuz they attacked after being restricted in a fking open air prison😮😮

Imagine spending all this time trying to decipher the fact that young people just aren't pro genocide 😂. Nothing "complicated" about it

Did they really ask if people supported Hamas or Palestine in those polls? They are very different things. That's like mixing up Israelis and Jews. Also knowing about the treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank by Israeli settlers has done Israel no favours. It is hard to appear as the underdog when the Israelis are the one throwing Palestinians out of their homes so they can use them instead.

@AL-lh2ht

6 ай бұрын

Except most of the land was purchased from Palestine for the Israel settlers. It’s a moot point tough as Gaza is not the West Bank. Hamas control Gaza if you didn’t know.

@From-North-Jersey

6 ай бұрын

The Israelies have retracted their borders 4 times since 1948 giving land back to the arabs . How ever each time they do this the result is more terrorist attacks and more random rockets targeting civilians within Israel.. I hope israel pushes back until they are back to the much more defensible 1949 borders.

@polyglot2023

6 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/amSE2JaDZNy5ds4.htmlsi=v-hzmxsuTmnZ4WjJ

@Sapnfap

6 ай бұрын

Another repeated lie that everyone believes. Settlements are built on top of Vacant hilltops, not on top of Palestinian homes.

@johnwong5317

6 ай бұрын

Israel is a diverse place with Jews, Arab and others while Gaza is controlled by Hamas which a brand of Muslim Brotherhood and guess who allied with German during WWII? Then you have your answer.

young people tend to be more idealistic, progressive and anti-establishment (represented by USA,west an Israel now). it's not something new. They want to see ideal justice worldwide even if it's not attainable when it comes to this rusty conflict.

@abboudashkar3804

6 ай бұрын

Aka idiots

@valtonen77

6 ай бұрын

Also the ones responsible for this war are just old cunts who are too prideful to end the conflict.

@koenarno6442

6 ай бұрын

Nothing is unattainable if people want it

@wrpg9955

6 ай бұрын

So they want justice and anti-establishment, but they support Islam. A bunch of lost anarchists who neither know or want to know anything. The lost generation

@eduwino151

6 ай бұрын

alot of the anti war hippies in the 60s are the biggest supporters of israel today

Me, a genius, not picking sides to avoid being called names

@fai48t

4 ай бұрын

not picking sides means that ur cool w whats going on rn, translating to support for israel. it automatically sides you w the oppressor.

@assassinunknown6664

4 ай бұрын

@@fai48t No, it doesn’t mean I’m “cool with what’s going on”, I hate any type of war. It means I don’t want to have a 50% chance of being deemed the bad guys once that is over, because I’m smart, and I don’t know about or support any side of the conflict. Your mental gymnastics aren’t going to get you anywhere smart guy. Also you’re using a straw-man argument which is a logical fallacy

@BM-ee1sj

4 ай бұрын

@@assassinunknown6664 It means I don't care about what's going on as I've done no research and will likely continue to not do so. "not knowing" about a conflict isn't a free pass to no learn about it

@Dummigame

3 ай бұрын

Not doing anything to prevent genocide makes you complicit

@Clocks171

3 ай бұрын

Why should he care about something that doesn’t affect him?

6:27 guess the UK have some regrets about Balfour Accords

I would like to see a graph that compares support for Israel by social class/income level, and then compare it to a graph that shows economic opportunity for young people by generation.

@zPxffxn

6 ай бұрын

Me too!

@dr1flush

6 ай бұрын

The Zionists are really trying to cope here and it's hilarious

@dux_bellorum

6 ай бұрын

That would be interesting

@abdullahtrees5204

6 ай бұрын

I think it's easy to guess the trend, richer/higher social class people will support Israel(because money machine) and poorer people will support Palestine (because they don't have conflict of interest)

@a---------------

6 ай бұрын

Stop!!! That would be anti semitism!!!!!

The question "Who you support more Israel or Hamas?" Is such a bad use of statistics and polling 1 is a country, the other is a political party/terrorist organisation The question should be "Who do you support more Israel or Palestine" or "Who do you support more Netanyahu or Hamas" (Even then this one sucks because people are far less likely to know who Netanyahu is)

@st.altair4936

6 ай бұрын

I hate that people are turning this into a binary choice. The solution is reform on both sides for a two-state solution.

@Tyanus2

6 ай бұрын

Palestine doesn't have power Hamas does helping Palestine helps Hamas if you would send supplies to Palestine who do you think will have the authority and power to take them and distribute or keep them for themselves armed militia or innocent citizens?

@PomuLeafEveryday

6 ай бұрын

@@st.altair4936 Neither side is willing, especially Palestine. Israel offered peace and coexistence in the past, but Palestine didn't want that. Palestine wants Israel gone completely and aren't willing to compromise. Israel responded by being absolute assholes, controlling their utilities and trade. Palestine gains terrorist militias who now run the country, launching attacks on innocent civilians, and now Israel is doing the same. Now we're in a situation where peace is impossible.

@prism2451

6 ай бұрын

I noticed that question and i think its also a good question. This video showed atleast a dozen graphs, all but one has Palestine, not hamas. I believe that one poll was actually needed to make measure the support for hamas explicitly as well.

@shoobyd00

6 ай бұрын

You do realise Hamas was democratically voted in by its people. The same people the celebrated on their streets after October 7th. Get your head out of the sand.

the answer is really simple, older people had access to informations through controlled media while young generations get to pick for themselves thanks to the internet. the fact that you can hear from both sides gives you a better idea on who's the aggressor and whos the victim.

"Why are Young People so Pro-Palestine?" Well, there are documentaries on KZread.

Probably tiktok.. and social media. This is an era of emotion rather then logic. No good will develop from it.

@vasco35

6 ай бұрын

Exactly

These polls don’t seem to take into account the distinction that you could be pro-Palestine and anti-Hamas. And though I do not want to discredit the lack of trust towards journalists, it seems to me that separation is an important part of the nuance that is overlooked for a black and white narrative.

@jmhorange

6 ай бұрын

Or they don't take into account Americans could be Pro American or anyone in the West could be Pro Western and don't want Israel's war weakening America's foreign policy. How's it going to look when we go back to Ukraine, when we let 11 K and counting civilians die and abused our veto to shield Israel in the US, similiar to how Russia abuses its veto to protect itself in the Ukraine war? Why would the world who's outraged by what's going on in Gaza listen to us on Ukraine to agree to a Western approach to solving Ukraine's war? If you want to be Pro Israel or Pro Palestinian, go off in a little corner and fight it out. But to the grown ups that actually are concerned about their own Western countries. Young people today see the big picture where older adults just see you either support Israel or Palestine. Young people want to be adults.

@v5hr1ke

6 ай бұрын

This is what I'm slightly concerned about. Considering that nowadays governments don't fully represent the true identity of the country they governed in.

@jmhorange

6 ай бұрын

@@v5hr1ke It doesn't matter, politicians understand the difference. And they can see their country's and world opinion. If they think Pro Palestinian is the same as Pro Hamas, then they should ignore that group of people....and wind up getting kicked out of office in democracies or overthrown in other countries. Nobody needs stupid leaders that can't tell that most of the world that's outraged by Israel's war is not Pro Hamas. If a leader can't figure that out, they don't need to lead.

@andreab2114

6 ай бұрын

The problem is not just Hamas. It's Palestinian society. Apart from anti-semitism, which is actively sponsored by the Palestinian Authority (not Hamas), Palestinians have demonstrated that they are unable to build a decent state. They were given Gaza and turned it into a Caliphate. Anytime they are given some land they turn it into a platform to launch missiles on Israel. We should come to terms with the fact that Palestinians will never build a nice peaceful liberal democracy. This is just a Western projection. They would likely do what they did in Gaza. Do we want another Iran where gays are killed, women are discriminated and other religions are not accepted? No thanks. Meanwhile Israel allows same-sex marriage, gives the right to vote to Arabs, accepts multiculturalism and open societies. We should hold Israel accountable for how it responds to attacks, but the idea that Israel is the evil one just because it's militarily stronger is bullshit.

@pierrotA

6 ай бұрын

I would even say that, even if it's not visible here, most studies and medias do not make a difference between religions and countries. At least in France, choosing a side is almost like choosing your favorite religion and insulting the other one.

Because it's obvious by their behavior toward those they call Gentiles that these aren't God's chosen people, and previous generations were lulled into a grift?

It's not just young people.

i can tell that trying to ask if i support either Israel or Hamas is biased. I want Palestinians to live happily but i dont support Hamas in anyway. The population and the organization are not always thinking the same (a tale as old as time)

@ayouberriouch5973

6 ай бұрын

Israel helped the creation of hamas . And Netnyaho himself said many times that he supported hamas . Sadly without a solution to their suffering extremism will always rise . You can't tell someone living as second class citizens having his entire family killed by occupation. And tell him he's wrong for wanting revenge

@inbb510

6 ай бұрын

You can say you want that but what a lot of us zoomers fail to do is actually assess whether that is even possible in the first place. How the hell do you support Palestinians who don't support Hamas without supporting Hamas? Because there are a plurality of Palestinians that do support Hamas. Furthermore, what is Israel meant to do? Hamas took 200 hostages and slaughtered 1,500 people on October 7th. Are people just expecting Israel to just not respond with force and just accept hostage diplomacy? Name me any other country where such country was held to such standard.

@osheridan

6 ай бұрын

@@inbb510 The IDF and Netanyahu already knew, more than likely. Maybe what they could've done is not allow an attack to happen just so they could have an excuse for war.

@iwouldntlikemeeither

6 ай бұрын

WTF is a zoomer 🤦‍♂️

@gmanko1x

6 ай бұрын

if you really want to support the palestinians, how about do some history research and then you will realize that its because of their stubborn leadership they live the way they live israel offered many deals many times for peace with palestine, and the palestinian rejected every single one of them.

Younger generations also experienced Israel almost their whole live with an far right majority in the government actively pushing settlement in occupied territory. Netanjahu is in power for 16 years now so for an average 30 year old he is the political symbol of this state.

@p.strobus7569

6 ай бұрын

The irony is that Netanyahu got back into power after the Hamas bus bombings of the late 1990s. He had lost standing in the national revulsion against the far right that came up after Rabin was assassinated by the far right. But Hamas started killing random civilians on mass transit and suddenly the far right didn’t look so bad to scared people. But wait! It gets better! Starting in January the Israeli population engaged in massive anti-government protests, protests that ended when Hamas attacked in October. For all that Nuttin-Yahoo is an ass, he owes Hamas a huge thank you for keeping him in power.

@hannibalbarca8411

6 ай бұрын

Israel bee' like that from day 1

@hatinmyselfiscool2879

6 ай бұрын

... you are aware that settlement was a bipartisan goal right? And it still is. Stuff like the 1960s war was perpetrated too occupy the territory and settle the regions held by palestinians, many military officials admit too that fact and have admitted too it. This is not about which side you choose. Zionism as long as it is political is a form of colonial settlement, everything since herzl was.

@madjames1134

6 ай бұрын

​@@p.strobus7569So, who is financing Hamas? Iran alone has not that much money - Iran needs to finance its own Army, its own nuclear program and its own groups after all, and its economy aren't in a great shape.

@p.strobus7569

6 ай бұрын

@@madjames1134 Hamas is a quasi-government, able to tax Gazans. Their military works cheap (which is why rockets sometimes break up over hospitals). Iran is a petro state locked in a battle for supremacy over the Gulf with its Saudi neighbor. (And said neighbor was juuuust about to normalize relations with Israel so putting extra towards disrupting that was an easy call. And then there’s zakat for the Palestinian cause which can be skimmed to buy weapons per usual. There are so many sources for funding that all they need are enough bloody shirts to wave in order to recruit the next “Juden Raus” party.

I like how people talk about atrocities of Hamas and compare it to Israel's massacre as if the conflict started on october 7. But nobody is talking about what Hamas did was just an answer of what Israel has been doing for over 70 years. So we should forget about the decades of massacre and focus on the single attack of Hamas which is completely dwarfed by the terrorist actions of Israel? Hamas killed hundreds of people while Israel already wiped more than 20 thousand. The atrocities of the terrorist entity that claims to be a "shining democracy" made Hamas look like a charity organization. Well, you can't expect anything different from a group that claim to be the "chosen people of god".

@andrewalderman9489

4 ай бұрын

Hamas hasn't been silent during those thirty years either. A difference is that Hamas attacks nonmilitary targets. You also have to remember that Europe and America have experienced terrorism, and react strongly to it.

@AliAli-et7zy

4 ай бұрын

@@andrewalderman9489 Lol for real? And I*rael attacks military targets by killing nearly 30 thousand civilians in three months? Eu and US deserve to pay for what they did to the countries across the world by their terrorism. US created terrorism, US funded terrorist organizations and used them. There's no bigger terrorist than the US/West. Hypocrites would moan about Russia who only attacks military targets but they shut their mouths up when it is about the literal terrorism of i*rael

I'm a young, liberal, atheist, progressive, and very educated Millennial who sympathizes more with the Jews than with the Muslims. I studied politics and history of Europe and the Middle East in college and I have that foundational knowledge that can only be earned from books and scholarly journals. Most of these kids don't have that, nor do they read books, and only rely on social media for news and information which is very dangerous and it only keeps them in their bubble and does not promote intellectual growth. I've seen them act very much like the extreme far-right spewing anti-Jew conspiracy theories, racism, and other dangerous rhetoric. It is a shame!

@peanuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuts

3 ай бұрын

i feel like this is less of a palestine-israel comment and more of a pro-intellect comment. i get what you’re saying: you’re employing your ethos as a scholar of europe and the middle east and your access to books and scholarly journals to justify your stance, and i do agree that one of the best and most credible ways to gain knowledge is by the means you had. however, this is simply not possible to the majority of people, not just younger generations. the thing is, you’ve had the opportunity and privilege to have access to those resources when a lot of people either don’t know where to find them or might not have access to them at all. as a kid myself (though nearing adulthood), i know that google scholar is a thing that exists, but so much content that could benefit me and my understanding of this war, and virtually anything i wanted to, is blocked behind a paywall or the need for me to be a member of some educational institute. additionally, not everyone is going to be studying politics and history. you can’t really expect people in general, let alone kids who haven’t gone through higher education yet, to be fully aware of the ramifications of what they see online. in no way am i rationalising the far-right, anti-jew rhetoric that i’ve seen, but my point is that yeah, some people will be more susceptible to what they see online, but i personally think the best thing you could do is direct them to more reliable and accessible sources than just letting their viewpoint simmer on social media. besides, as someone who has seen a lot of social media posts about the war, i don’t even think i’ve seen that much anti-semitism. young people who genuinely care about what’s is going on in gaza are most concerned about the safety of the people there; this includes the journalists who report even in the midst of their crisis. because we weren’t there for and don’t know about the time that israel were the underdogs, as a lot of people in the comments are saying, of course we’re gonna sympathise with the people who we see suffering the most. to me, the shame is how people ignore the current cries of help from the palestinian people when all they see is the faults of their past government. p.s. it’s kinda reductive to say this is between jews and muslims; there are also atheists, christians, and even jews within palestine who are affected.

I think.. the working younger population wants their taxes to be utilised for development and not bombing civilians of neighbouring countries.

@DanielCadarette

6 ай бұрын

Tell that to your Hamas buddies.

@MaoRatto

6 ай бұрын

No? We simply just want our taxes staying within the US AND NO WHERE ELSE. Aren't we already inflated more than Deviant Art enough? If don't get it. Inflation is a fetish on that website and notorious for it. The Isreali vs. Palestine conflict makes me blegh. As you got one party that didn't want peace due to historical drama, the other insists on being manipulative.

@betterbhagalpur8837

6 ай бұрын

@@DanielCadarette so anyone who doesn't think like you.. is a buddy of Hamas.. Grow up.. 🙄🙄

@niavellir7408

6 ай бұрын

Exactly, we want our taxes to be used for infrastructure, healthcare for all, public transit, and just overall meeting people’s basic needs. But our country is controlled by the billionaire elite, so we will never achieve these goals, and only war and hardships

@DanielCadarette

6 ай бұрын

@@niavellir7408 So why did you vote for Biden, then? He is a Globalist Elitist.

There could also be a religious aspect : in America, the staunchest supporters of Israel are evangelicals and generally practicing Christians are pro-Israel, as for religious people the idea of creating a country specifically for a religious group seems more natural, while young people tend to be way less religious.

@yevgenyblinov48

6 ай бұрын

Except that in Israel, the middle-class and middle-upper class are mostly secular. The people who pay the most taxes are less religious than the people who receive the taxpayers' money in many forms. The institutions are too archaic though, way behind the general public mood

@fireblade425

6 ай бұрын

thats what i was thinking, not to mention the bad perspective the middle east and just muslim countries in general get by Americans

@ktom5262

6 ай бұрын

It's not really about creating a country for a religious group, it's about the prediction in the Old Testament that there won't be the 2nd coming of Christ and the "Rupture" until the Jews aren't in the "Promised Land" of Jerusalem. What's funny about that is that the Bible says that only the Jews who convert and become believers in Christ will go to Heaven, the rest will be damned.

@ru2225

6 ай бұрын

@@ktom5262 it's also funny because there's so many videos of Christians getting hated on by the zionists. So these evangelicals are supporting people who don't like them... bit ironic

@ktom5262

6 ай бұрын

@@ru2225 Very ironic. The Zionist government of Israel stands hand-in-hand with the US fundamentalist, conservative Christians. As ironic as it gets.

It also has to do with students mimicking teachers at tertiary level blindly without thinking analytically and critically. Lecturers have become gods in this environment. Tertiary students have lost the faculty of questioning veracity and deducing outcomes for themselves. Scary for how these people will influence the world when they are adults

What’s bad is that this message is directed AGAINST Israel, not Hamas.