Who is to blame for Otto Warmbier's death?
New details are emerging about the case of Otto Warmbier, the American student who died after being held in North Korea. His tour group engaged in heavy drinking and partying while in the country, raising questions about who is to blame for his death. Issac Stone Fish, senior fellow at the Asia Society, joins CBSN to discuss.
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He should've known the rules of North Korea before visiting, it's his own fault that he got into trouble. But he shouldn't have been killed for it
The answer is Otto...
Who goes to N Korea for a drinking party?! I'm calling BS!
The one who asked him to bring home a "Trophy".
No Offense but it's Otto. I mean hasn't he heard of what goes on in north Korea.
A guy died for stealing a poster. Either you're fine with that or not.
@boss-anova
7 жыл бұрын
Keshen Govender A guy went to a FOREIGN COUNTRY and disrespected their rules, and broke the law. You either have respect for the fact that you happen to have freedoms and rights at home that others do not, or you take those rights and freedoms for granted.
@richland1980
7 жыл бұрын
He likely did not attempt to steal a poster. After he was detained as the tour was leaving, the North Korean officials lied and said he was too ill to travel. It was not until 20 days later that he was accused of taking down the special poster. He was never accused of stealing it or having it in his possession. There is a grainy video of the alleged event that could be anyone. He had the bad luck to be in North Korea right before a long planned missile launch and they needed a telegenic hostage.
@richland1980
7 жыл бұрын
Otto made the fatal mistake of visiting a giant hereditary feudal holding/plantation that masquerades as a communist country. Other than the whims of the current fearless leader/ruling lord and his minions there are no rules or laws. See the account of his trip roommate Danny Gratton.
@stfu965
7 жыл бұрын
All humans are born with inalienable human rights. Governments do not grant you those rights, you fight for them. If you do not believe so you're part of the problem. Authoritarian Dictatorships thrive from the fear they instill in their cattle.
@add5809
7 жыл бұрын
richland1980 how do you know he didn't steal the poster
Isn't it Ottos fault, if he stole the poster?
@HikaruYamamoto
7 жыл бұрын
Theres good reason to think he didn't try to take any sort of poster or broke any rules based on evidence.
Who would even wan to tour that country?
@add5809
7 жыл бұрын
Mary Rodger it's "want to tour."
@maryrodger5130
7 жыл бұрын
Adam, my original comment is still there so do you need glasses? Yeah maybe that's it.
Who’s to blame? Who do you think?
who's to blame? what about himself??
So people are now blaming the guides for this? I'm sorry but the guides did not take that banner and hand it to him. How about we blame the ONLY person that did something wrong?
Otto has 1 person to blame: Otto.
@robokingofthecosmos7308
7 жыл бұрын
Ottbama, I Agree 100%
@ilovejesus3659
6 жыл бұрын
Ben Der you are so right
@HPR5
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@Torentino_Ian_no_channel_2006
Жыл бұрын
At the same time. Why he will go to DPRK in the first place?
The kid has himself to blame there's a reason there's no direct flight to North Korea
he is
@robokingofthecosmos7308
7 жыл бұрын
that's very good Mike. We'll have you practice three letter words next year when you start the 1st grade. A+
@vontw33zy
4 жыл бұрын
@@robokingofthecosmos7308 stfu
A 21 year old drinking wow so unheard of (not)
Just don't travel to a place your country is practicly in war with...
alcohol and young 20 year olds dont go well. i doubt he stole the poster, the 5th floor is shorter than all of the rooms in the hotel and hes a tall person compare to them but in the surveillance vid the man who took the poster down was short. he probably had too much to drink and said something.
ur not aloud to talk to citizens in North Korea if ur a tourist
Who is to blame for Warmbier's death should be discovered on autopsy.
I hate the saying "heartbreaking" you're heart doesn't have feelings your brain does :/
While we all should be sad that the young man died the fact is Otto Warmbier a white, privileged, young man CHOSE to go to a hostile country, chose to drink as if he was a frat boy at home and when someone is drinking they often make poor CHOICES. North Korea is a HOSTILE country! And let's also note that these young people making poor choices who then get arrested can make tensions between North Korea and the United States even worse.
@robokingofthecosmos7308
7 жыл бұрын
Beth Grant-DeRoos - it's a shame that with all your years lived.., wisdom in your words has not yet been revealed. it's been a white privilege reading your gross and ignorant commentary.
@FirstNameLastName-cw1nw
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Sadly the only thing people will see is the word "white" and attack you for it.
@j0hnd0e16
7 жыл бұрын
North Korea is not hostile at all, stop spreading BS. 1,000 American tourists go there every year and they're all fine. Only this thief got arrested. Even the government keeps inviting an American basketball player Dennis Rodman to host events. Where do you see any hate towards americans from NK?? F*cking go there as much as you want, there's no hostile anything. Just don't be a criminal or rob from their government!
@helpfultips1533
6 жыл бұрын
J0hn d0e five people that are American detained in North Korea
Im gonna go all in and say Otto for 1000 Alex.
he chose to go, he could have gone to everywhere from France to Pakistan, but no, he chose NK...
He is to blame for his own death. My sympathy to his parents.
who’s to blame? really?!
Poor Otto
Negotitation with North Korea is impossible. In addition, Communism is so expanding in south Korea.
I'm shocked that Isaac Stone Fish has so much information about Otta , yet can't tell lies about North Korea , and probably never been to North Korea himself. Well the strange question is how he came here and then died....
Himself. Some countries you want to stay away from altogether.
That's a easy question Otto is.
@danielchoi7637
7 жыл бұрын
TRUTH
@dmck8615
7 жыл бұрын
ToFester YEP! RON PAUL & RAND PAUL SAY SO! STUPIDITY KILLS.......SOMETIMES JUST NOT FAST ENOUGH.......PER LIBERTARIANS!!!!
@melodyjane71
7 жыл бұрын
He may be responsible for his arrest but that's rediculous to say he was responsible for his death.
@ToFester
7 жыл бұрын
0 1 Maybe he resisted you know didn't comply with the orders of law enforcement officers and got beat for it. Happens all the time to people in the States by cops. And when those people are black Americans whites say they were responsible for that happening to them. True story you know.
@melodyjane71
7 жыл бұрын
+ToFester You just made up a hypothetical situation to support your point ...
Otto is to blame …
himself...
What made these commentators so puritanical all of a sudden -- drinking, partying, blah blah blah, blame the victim, blame the guides, blame everyone but the North Koreans. After all, you have to understand their culture.
Dude is responsible for his own fate. He messed up when he set foot in North Korea. I'm American myself and the only other country I ever go to is Canada.
@pew.die.pie.
3 жыл бұрын
Lmao.why only canada. Europe is super safe imo
I think I tend to blame the people who injured him so much that he died
Yeah dont visit that country
The real story is out there
He’s to blame for his own death. He shouldn’t have been over there acting like a THUGGING THIEF and thinking there would be no repercussions. He OBVIOUSLY wasn’t taught to have respect for other people, their customs, and property.
@JedTheJedi
3 жыл бұрын
He didn't take anything and everything he said was scripted for Korean propaganda. You sound like you're from North Korea but I know they don't have internet that connects outside of North Korea.
its his fault
I think going on a guided tour of NK is akin to vacationing in an ISIS training camp.
Who is to blame? Otto Who is responsible for his death? North korea
But they don't meet ordinary North Koreans do they?
Otto clearly sought out boundaries! That's for sure! I watched many movies about him and I think that's the only conclusion you can make. On the other hand: that doesn't necessarily mean that he stole that poster!
couldn't agree more! play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Otto Warmbier
North Korea that who
Otto made a silly mistake and it cost him his life...I watched his trail on youtube. He had a brilliant mind and had much composure until the end of the trial when he broke down under the pressure. The media only shows the sad part of him crying.
Both , us and kim ...
My candidate for the blame: Otto Warmbier!
it was his own fault. Going to a foreign country that has deadly consequences for what we would see as a minor infraction. stupid to think your protected by your home country laws.
Of course people should visit, just obey the rules! Is not rocket science
Hey I'm gonna go to North Korea dad.... Sure son it's a safe place the best dad ever said 😑
If you are an American DON"T GO! It can happen to you.
Auto-war..
@possiblyawkward8457
7 жыл бұрын
otto war..
This guy was my neighbor I wish nothing but bad on him and his family ...
@xxxconcussion-2974
7 жыл бұрын
all the family are cocaine addicts
@daniellovegreen4288
7 жыл бұрын
XXXConcussion - are you talking about Otto warmbier?
@daniellovegreen4288
7 жыл бұрын
XXXConcussion - you're saying otto and his family are coke addicts? Please explain.
@corwilliams3098
7 жыл бұрын
otto was your neighbor ?
@daniellovegreen4288
7 жыл бұрын
XXXConcussion - please answer Lol. Was Otto your neighbor? And how are they coke addicts? Why do you think they're bad people? Or are you just trolling around and not even his neighbor to begin with?
i see they recommand americans to visit north korea soo they can use such as ottos incedents as political card aginst north and south korea lol
Warm beer ? 🍺
North Korea.
@iv9545
7 жыл бұрын
His own stupidity
@forgive7449
5 жыл бұрын
@@iv9545 Trump
with a name like Otto he was already dying. .......lol
@robokingofthecosmos7308
7 жыл бұрын
go ahead.. finish the joke.. this is great.. don't hold out on the punchline..
@winterjewels9222
6 жыл бұрын
Mike Oneill your disgusting!
@pew.die.pie.
3 жыл бұрын
Mannn
i blame SJW.
I'd rather not,thanks.
OBAMA
@athenamorales7321
7 жыл бұрын
ryan350 Did Obama make him go to another country and break the law? Obama isn't to blame for individual choice? For your next ticket are you going to tell the officer Obama did it?
@RyanKellyWx
7 жыл бұрын
Assuming it actually even happened, should stealing a sign be a death sentence? Obama's failed foreign policy and failure to act caused his death. If Trump was president, NK would've given Otto an apology note and a first class ticket back to the US the next day. Under Trump's foreign policy, China will not be feeding a regime that kidnaps Americans, and NK is scared shitless of upsetting China.
@brianyun249
7 жыл бұрын
ryan350 Wow... delusional at best. What foreign policy of Trump? He's done NOTHING. How do you explain the US citizens still captive in N.Korea? Why hasn't Trump taken them out yet? It's Obama's fault for allowing him to go to N.Korea? ROFL. God, you trumptards are unreal. Your stupidity is through the roof.
@robokingofthecosmos7308
7 жыл бұрын
Briana Y. - I agree 100% Obama.. delusional at best. It's refreshing hearing a women's perspective on this topic! Although mostly emotionally driven., your commentary is welcome here any time. I applaud your courage for standing up and being the voice of proud women everywhere. Awesome! Way To Go Girl! You Got The Eye Of The Tiger! ROAR!!!!!!!!!
@RyanKellyWx
7 жыл бұрын
Briana Y. Trump has done nothing but WIN! What has Obama foreign policy done in EIGHT YEARS?? besides allowing NK to develop long range nukes and founding of ISIS? As Trump said, we'd be better off if Obama just went on vacation his entire presidency.
Trump administration