This is the most detailed and longest edited video I have ever done. I guess there is almost nothing comparable on KZread. I hope you enjoy it. We dive deep into the lore, different versions of text and canon debate. I might be able to provide some stuff you probably did not know about the Second Age and Elrond. Also my comments get deleted if they contain links, so all links are in the description anyway. I wish you happy holidays! Shout-outs and a huge thanks to all the artists, who allowed me to use their fantastic artworks (links in the description): ➥ Kimberly80 ➥ Ted Nasmith ➥ Jenny Dolfen Art ➥ Sara Morello Art ➥ Pete Amachree ➥ Niahti ➥ BeneF ➥ Laura Tolton ➥ Andrés Bertachini Art ➥ Firat Solhan My social media is in the description too.

@reneprovosty7032

2 жыл бұрын

geeze dude sounds like a oral presentation for an advanced degree, well done.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

@@reneprovosty7032 lol

@sameetmehta2905

Жыл бұрын

😂

@cayla4360

Жыл бұрын

1 1 1b1a

@kevinkvale2173

Жыл бұрын

😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

Happy belated 20th anniversary of lotr fellowship of the ring, Chris!

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

haha thank you, happy belated 20th anniversary to you too and also a happy holiday season ^^

What a treat on a cold and grey afternoon. A hot drink, a fire, and my favorite stories retold so well. Thank you, Chris.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

I wish you a fantastic day and hope you enjoyed the video (and that I could potentially add something new) also a great holiday season in these difficult times :)

@Robutnikon

Жыл бұрын

Oooh sounds like heaven 🎄✨🍒🔥🥰

@thestraightroad305

Жыл бұрын

@@Robutnikon and here I am, 11 months later with my fire on a near winter evening waiting for the first very cold storm…waiting for my latest Tolkien treasure to listen and enjoy❤️

Finally! Its here. Happy Christmas everyone🎉🎉🎉.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, happy holidays to you too :) Yes it's here and it took a lot of time to make 😅

@LearnRunes

2 жыл бұрын

Merry Christmas to you too!

@monitor-mindtheover-void6712

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames it was worth it man, happy holidays😊.

Almost 3 hours about Elrond? Sure, why not!

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

and also about pretty much everything happening in the Second Age 😅

Wow. This is the most lore you've given in a dozen hundred years, and with nary a dull point. Great work, thanks for the treat, and Merry Chris-tmas.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, happy you enjoyed it ^^ Yes it's probably the deepest dive I ever did in a video (considering that Part 1 is also part of the video). And I still have the Third Age. Took months to make and I hope people will like it, but i need to return to a more frequent release schedule again 😅 PS: happy holidays ^^

At this rate, Tolkien himself might show up here to learn about middle earth

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

haha I definitely would have some questions for Tolkien ^^ There is still so much I have to learn

@chadalicious374

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames That a single man in the span of a single lifetime was able to create a world so vastly deep and rich that 10s if not 100s of thousands of people are still trying to unpack it almost 70 years later is arguably one of the single greatest acts of creation in human history.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

@@chadalicious374 agreed ^^

@lt4rmthegt

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

Such an excellent Christmas gift!! 🎁 It's exactly what I needed. Holiday greetings and thanks for all your hard work and attention to detail, Chris! 🎄🥰

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, happy holidays to you too :) (yesterday was also 20th anniversary for Peter Jackson's adaption of Fellowship of the Ring, so it's all quite fitting ^^)

Whoohooo!! What a splendid Christmas present! 😄 Thank you very much good sir. I can't wait to listen to it. Merry Christmas! 🎄🎉

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Happy holidays to you too. I hope you will enjoy it ^^

@LearnRunes

2 жыл бұрын

Merry Christmas🎄

Well, hello early Xmas gift! :)))) Many thanks in advance! 😊🎁😁😁😁🎄

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you like it ^^ Happy holidays :)

For me, there is little difference in terms of enjoyment between reading all of Tolkien's works, listening to Phil Dragash's reading of tLotR or watching Jackson's films of tLotR, and listening to *ThephilosophersGames'* analytical summaries. I might even go so far as to suggest the latter is actually more enjoyable than Jackson's films.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

haha thank you ^^ This is also a very special video. I think I never did a video this detailed and worked months on it. I'm not even sure I can again go into the same amount of detail and this length again in one video. It's just too much work. But I try I guess 😅

Excellent as always, just what I needed after work, just chill and get lost in the Second Age. 👍🏻 Well done You😊😊😊

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^

CHRIS: I am rewatching your older videos (as well as leaving a second comment for The ‘Rithm 🤘). I really want to *THANK YOU* again for these well crafted, long form videos! Descriptors such as: epic, intricate & riveting come to mind when I’m describing your work to others who have asked WHERE to look for extremely thorough, accurate & engaging Tolkien lore information. The time just flies by when listening to these bad boys. The gorgeous artwork are just an added bonus when I’m lucky enough to be able to WATCH (versus only getting to listen). I’m not trying to be hyperbolic at all..I just want to sincerely let you know you really have something special here on your channel and it is greatly appreciated! You and Tolkien Untangled are the G.O.A.T. ! Cheers Mate👍

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words, as always. I'm very happy that you and also - it seems - a lot of other people enjoy my videos so much. Makes it easier to make videos when you know people like them 😄

And it dropped on my birthday - bless you. Absolutely looking forward to listening to this tonight.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Happy (belated) birthday ^^ I hope you had a nice day and enjoyed the video (now with a new feature: the timeline (with an imprecise timescale) 😂)

in regards to how elrond, cirdan and gil galad knew not to trust sauron without seeing the two trees; they are all lords, the heads of governing structures, they control kingdoms afterall. So surely they're not operating without advisors and since elves live forever perhaps they all had advisors that survived the 1st age and were around to see sauron and say, "Yep, that's a slimy fella right there. Best kick his butt out the door!" We constantly see how they interact and consult with one another, so i'm sure they have a whole body of advisors and retainers whom they consult with before taking major decisions, like a good leader should.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

They for sure had advisors. I guess Elrond and Círdan were advisors of Gil-galad. But in Eregion there were also man lords of the First Age (including Galadriel) and they did only partly figure out that something was wrong, though Galadriel left at some point, it's interesting that they were fooled by Sauron. I think a main difference might be ambition. Lindon was already established and Eregion was founded later. The latter was maybe more "Noldor", who had the ambition to improve their knowledge and craft (even cooperating with the Dwarves) and Annatar was the ultimate opportunity, that they saw, while at the same time not seeing further. the argument that Sauron made goes into this direction too as mentioned in the video: “[...] and they had at first much profit from his friendship. And he said to them: "Alas, for the weakness of the great! For a mighty king is Gil-galad, and wise in all lore is Master Elrond, and yet they will not aid me in my labours. Can it be that they do not desire to see other lands become as blissful as their own? [...]” - The Silmarillion (1977, Allen & Unwin; today: HarperCollins), J. R. R. Tolkien, edited by Christopher Tolkien; Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age, p. 343 PS: I also think after making this video that Gil-galad is underrated ^^

“I imagine one does not simply walk into Mordor”. Exquisite script right there! Thanks for a great video and I look forward to the next one. I’m excited to see what you think of the Amazon show once it’s released.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, happy you liked it and enjoyed this little reference ^^ I tried to write in a few "funny" phrases here and there.

@rickmozingo6047

2 жыл бұрын

you dont there is a book quest first :)

I am so happy for this early Christmas present! You have the most in depth videos and love that you use the proper pronunciation. Keep up the great work.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Happy holidays ^^ Thank you, I think this might be the most in depth video I have ever done, considering that part 1 is also part of it (and there is still more). I really discussed many different versions of texts and tried to "deconstruct" some common believes that can be often found elsewhere.

Amazing video. Keep up the good work

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

I'll try 😊 and thank you!

Really been looking forward to this video since the first part came out, thank you so much for the amount of time and effort you put in to this!

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

I hope it could fulfil the expectations. It was really a passion project ^^

Fantastic video, just finished watching this Christmas Eve whilst relaxing and getting ready for Christmas day. Elrond is a great and fascinating character who I feel doesn't get the recognition he deserves - I also really enjoyed Hugo Weaving's portrayal of him in the movies.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Merry Christmas and thank you for watching and commenting ^^ Happy my video could help you relax in a - for sure - difficult year. Yes agreed Elrond is such an interesting and inspiring character in my opinion as well and I had to "get used" to Hugo Weaving a bit, because I saw him in Matrix before, but now I can't imagine him otherwise anymore and as said in the video his performance was really great. The look on his face when he shouts "Isildur!" expresses the despair of this situation so well.

@MattVyle

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames I completely agree, when first the council was held I totally expected Elrond to say "Mr. Anderson, welcome back..." - Mr. Weaving's performance is great, the passions and seriousness he brings to the character, those raised eyebrows and the well articulated English pronunciation, a truly superb performance.

Omggg, almost 3 hrs of video!!!!. I just finished the part1 of more than 2 hrs. This is already a movie length. Yet I have only a patience of 10-15 minute videos, tbh. After reading the hobbit, LotR , Simarillion and watching the Hobbit triology several times and the LOTR triology extended editions a hundred times, Im still interested in the YT videos. For the love of Tolkien. Thank you Chris, for your hardwork. Congratulations on that long length videos of yours. 😊😊

Loving all this lore! Please keep it coming.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, happ you enjoyed it, I try ^^

Really really good stuff. Just amazing work you do sir.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated :) A lot of time went into this, happy you liked it ^^

Awesome job man, I was very intimidated about the Lore in LOTR. Now I'm starting to dive into and your channel is the best one by far. You are not afraid to repeat yourself sometimes, especially when is about a major event, and I do appreciate that. Thanks for all the work that you have put into this videos.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, much appreciated! Happy you found i useful for diving deeper into Tolkien's lore. I have to admit I'm quite happy how this video here turned out (+ the other as well).

Thank you for this monumental work. What I love about Tolkien most is the depth of the lore. It's an amazing world.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it ^^

More info on Sauron's looks: According to one of Tolkien's letters, Sauron was described like a black burned man in his horrible form.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

I think the description is maybe from LotR (as mentioned in the video): “[...] the heat of Sauron’s hand, which was black and yet burned like fire, and so Gil-galad was destroyed; [...]” The Lord of the Rings (1954 - 1955, Allen & Unwin; today: HarperCollins), J. R. R. Tolkien; The Council of Elrond, p. 253 Can't remember a passage from a letter that mentions this 🤔 I only know of this one: “Sauron should be thought of as very terrible. The form that he took was that of a man of more than human stature, but not gigantic.” The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien (1981, Allen & Unwin; today: HarperCollins), J. R. R. Tolkien, edited by Humphrey Carpenter & Christopher &Tolkien; Letter 246, p. 332

Love this. Please never stop

I keep listening to this over and over and never get enough. Happily admit I listen while working on other things but also as I imagine exactly how Tolkien would've wanted. Will move on only until I'm completely learned on each Elrond volume. Thank you for this in depth study. I'm only on your second video and love taking my time and learning more with each one.

@ThePhilosophersGames

11 ай бұрын

haha thank you for your support ^^ Did you see the part 10 already, which came out a few days ago?

@tirzahgayla

10 ай бұрын

Not yet; enjoyed part 2 so much I went back and rewatched part 1. Even the intro in Part 1 is epic@@ThePhilosophersGames

Merry Christmas everyone!

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Happy holidays to you too 🎄 😄 (I hope you enjoyed the video)

56:25 one of my favorite parts. Love Imladris, feel like everything is falling into place!

Soon you will have summarized the entirety of Middle-earths history^^

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Yes and in a way I did it multiple times 😂 The Círdan and Sauron videos also go through all of it. This now is really about discussing different versions, etc

👍That was vintage (classical or legendary), thank you. I like the comment "there are no ads here" - it's true and a definite bonus. The term "canonical" is interesting - used to describe supreme authority in Christianity: identifying the variations from "non-canonical" sources is cool.

I love this channel man.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Glad you like my channel ^^

Thought on the topic of healing: I would say that bodily and spiritual healing are intimately connected in Tolkien’s universe, especially, perhaps, where elves are concerned. A few examples might be Míriel’s passing following the birth of Fëanor, Frodo’s Morgul wound, so many other characters dying of grief, kings of the Edain relinquishing life voluntarily, etc.

Enjoy your content looking forward to the third age video either in parts or all together I've enjoyed your previous collaborations look forward to more in the future

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^ There will be definitely more collaborations. I enjoyed those as well 😄

Loved this video!

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^

you always do a great job and we all thank you for it i play lotro on crickhollow svr and this info helps to figure it all out :) keep up the great work

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

haha thank you and nice to hear that it helps you in LotR Online. Much fun with it (I'm sadly not into MMOs)

Nice work dude thanks

@ThePhilosophersGames

9 ай бұрын

glad you liked and are also looking into the other parts as well it seems ^^

Great video Mellon!

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you again ^^

Wow, this is awesome! What a treat. '

Wow! Making the second age make sense! Thank you

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Yes the Second Age is a fascinating time. Thank you too and Merry Christmas :)

This was a fantastic overview. Many potential story directions that never manifested. Makes one want to go and write their own Middle Earth chapter.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^ Haha yes it really stimulates the own imagination

amazing video 👏

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^

Thank you Chris! 😊

@ThePhilosophersGames

11 ай бұрын

glad you enjoyed the video ^^

Thank you. Excellent video.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you too, glad you liked it :)

You're making Peter Jackson proud with these video lengths

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

haha I hope so (I also hope he not angry that I used so many images of his fantastic films 😅)

What a great video! As a producer myself, I can imagine the amount of work that went into this. Cheers! (One thing that I know you try to do well, in English, "host" is pronounced with a long "O" and not short. In other words, not like the word "hot". "Host" has an "o" sound like "Go" or "No". To spell it the way you were saying it would be "haust")

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^ Yes I think everyone who does content in one way or another might see the amount of work. I think it was the longest I ever worked on a video (considering the whole script of all "Who is Elrond?" videos). Much appreciated! That is a really good hint regarding "host". I did not notice until you wrote it here, though I think for sure heard it said right before, but I think I say it wrong my whole life 😂 But in the word "hostel" the o is short again, right?

@alphazebra01

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Yes, you're right lol. English is dumb. Exceptions to the rule everywhere you look! I have a friend from France who can't believe we move the emphasized syllable around in words that make it hard for a non-native speaker to remember what's what. He uses "Democratic, Democracy, and Democrat" as examples. Stress is on different spots for each word. He said in French, it's always on the same syllable. It's confusing for him.

I cannot imagine how much courage it must took to get into war since that is their only way to pass

@ThePhilosophersGames

11 ай бұрын

forgot to answer, sorry 😅 yes agreed and I'm endlessly grateful to live in a place where there is no war.

Wow that was long. Great job putting this one together. I'm gonna have to replay this one, cuz that's a lot to take in all at once. Now go to your nearest watering hole & have a pint for a job well done! 😀👍👍❤

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

yes it's really a lot and I'm surprised that people are watching it all, but I guess long and detailed videos are appreciated. Happy you enjoyed it. haha thank you 😄

I fell asleep and woke up to this feeling nerdy as fuck

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

😂 I hope you slept well though

I knew there was a lot more backstory and lore to LOTR but not this much! If only someone would make a show or movie about some of this. Nice video btw!

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Yes there is a lot, though often is work in progress texts, but it's still impressive how much Tolkien wrote. Tolkien was really good at elegantly putting a lot of information in every sentence or its context. Sometimes when you re-read his texts you always discover something new. haha yes ^^ Sadly the Rings of Power show has only very limited rights and ofc the problem of how long everything takes. Sometimes it take lifetimes until the next thing happens.

Just Subscribed!

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you and welcome ^^

great analysis

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^

In Tolkien's world, "Healing" is the same thing as "Lore" ie; one who is great in lore is essentially a great healer of others. The diminished healing from dealing death is referring to diminished healing of one's own body.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting idea. There could be a correlation between lore master and healer, but I'm not convinced that it's exclusively the case. Círdan for sure knew the lore very well too (he was there), but he was not known to be a healer. Tolkien wrote in Morgoth's Ring: "the arts of healing, and all that touches on the care of the body, are among all the Eldar most practised by the nissi" The phrase "the arts of healing" sounds more general than just healing yourself. In addition we can read: "On the other hand many elven-men were great healers and skilled in the lore of living bodies" I would argue a person is not known as a great healer, if they only heal themselves. The healer is a person who heals others. E.g. Elrond healed others (like Frodo) and was known as great healer as a result.

Thank you for mentioning LOTR healing lore. While it would be cool to have a video just focusing on that, any mention is appreciated :D

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

haha yes true, maybe I should make a video about this at some point. Was imo also really important for this video.

Great understanding! Kind of backhanded, but better than Amazon!!

Thank you!

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Happy you enjoyed it ^^ It was a massive project and I'm still not done 😅 Thank you too for commenting too!

One wonders why Eru would suffer the Black Númenoreans to live, given that he clearly thought the betrayal of the (non-Faithful) Númenoreans in general to be severe enough to warrant the complete destruction of their home and the reshaping of the World. Is a lord of Umbar who is allied with Ar-Pharazôn less deserving of the divine punishment than some young Númenorean child living on the island who never did anything wrong, yet was swallowed up by the Sea with everyone else?

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

That is a very philosophical question. I think it's mainly about consequences of your own choice, dooming all others and less about divine "punishment" for individuals (except Ar-Pharazôn and his men who set foot on Aman). Those who lived in Númenor had to live with the consequence Ar-Pharazôn brought over them (they could have stopped him or left). If they were "innocent" or not does not matter. The divine intervention was destroying Ar-Pharazôn and Númenor. Númenor was originally a gift by the high angels (and in a way by Eru as a result) to the Edain/Dúnedain and it was then taken away again, when it was used to advance and turn against Eru himself in the end. Those outside of Númenor (still sharing the views of Ar-Pharazôn) were lucky that they were not on the island and that the divine intervention was not directed towards them as individuals. Basically God has undone the gift given to the Dúnedain and punished Ar-Pharazôn and his men personally for entering Aman. However Eru accepts the free will, but ofc freedom still holds consequences. But those might hit the Black Númenórens later (or not). Being against Eru and his high angels is not the "main problem", but that they broke the one rule: Men are not allowed to enter Aman, because their fate is different (Gift of Men -> death with an unknown afterlife with Eru). And Ar-Pharazôn's view was not an individual exception, but the view of Númenor without the Faithful, who managed to escape. I know this answer might be not satisfying though 😅 (and I hope not too confusingly phrased)

This is GREAT. Thank you very much💙

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Happy you liked it, Thank you too!

Such an involving story, when you start peeling back the layers. Even the inconsistencies make sense in the greater context of Tolkien's themes; but also simply in light of the usual conflicts and errors we find throughout real-life history. Impeccably researched detail, as always. (ps - you pronounce 'mariner' (sailor), like 'marina' (a place where you park boats) :)

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^ Yes there was much to uncover. Glad you enjoyed the video :) Never checked the pronunciation of mariner, but often how I imagine a word to be pronounced is wrong 😅 Thanks for the hint ^^

@theamazingbatboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames No, the fault lies with English here. I speak French also and recognize English has tremendously inconsistent pronunciation. You say it it the logical way (as in 'marine'). I hesitate ever offering corrections because your pronuciation is just so good - only here it sounds like another word and is also a fairly important term in the Legendarium.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

haha yes English is really inconsistent or confusing when it comes to its phonology 😂 The stress moving around, etc is really difficult sometimes. Or words like through, tough, thorough, though, etc You can't make that up 😂

you are a damn legend sir

@ThePhilosophersGames

10 ай бұрын

haha thank you 😄

What an absolutely Beautiful study of this work ! So complete, with an absolutely daunting attention to detail. You are so deserving of any accolades that you might receive, and more. It is somewhat difficult for me, as I have purposely avoided side notes of the initial 5 books. This is the reason that, even though I own the books, I no longer read Unfinished Tales or other writings of Middle-Earth except for The Lay's of Beleriand and the lay of the children of Hurin. I very much dislike reading conflicting versions. It's rather like watching a magic show, and then finding out how every trick was done. It makes it hard to go back to watching ANY magic show, because you will forever know the basic principles behind almost every illusion that you see, thereby destroying that illusion. HOWEVER...I do Very Much Appreciate your knowledge and your deep dive into the mind of the Good Professor 👍 I am a solid student of the 5 initial books concerning Middle Earth and have been working on Complete commitment to memory of several chapters of each book. [I attempted to commit the Entire Silmarillion to memory, But there is a Neuro-Physiological reaction when attempting to memorize that much material as a singular repeated project...it quite literally FORCES one to sleep] I have been reading them every year for 45 years. Your astounding workload in doing videos like this is exemplary.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Thank you much appreciated. A ton of work went into this one (and the other videos) and I'm quite happy with the result though there is one correction (which will be in the all in one 8+ hour version, when I'm done with the last 2 videos). It's about Isildur's unusual travelling path when he escapes Minas Ithil.

@kahekilimaui450

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames I very much look forward to viewing it when it's complete.

Christmas came early boys!

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

haha I hope that people will like it 😅 I wish you you a happy holidays ^^

3 Hour vid!!!! You love to see it ♥

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Yes 😅 I hope you enjoyed it ^^

It is really cool that you named the artists lots of these types of videos don't do that and it takes me an extra step to find the artwork or other art by the same artists just saying I appreciate the extra effort thank you

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^ I also see crediting the artists as necessary and the least what I can do. It was also what I offered them to get a permission to use their works in my videos. I know some channels just use artworks on the base of "good faith" or arguing with fair use, but I personally only use artworks where I have a written permission of the artist. Ofc I also have some fair use cases e.g. the film screenshots. But it's difficult to get a permission like this from e.g. Warner Bros. 😅 which is different for artists though.

What an excellent video. I think i watched it all the way through 3 times in the last couple of days over the course of several viewings. I agree with you regarding Galadriel and Celeborn being the founders of Eregion, or at least the most prestigious and influential members of the Elves who would inhabit the region and organize the "Kingdom". Which leads to a question I have; who do you think the original rulers of Eregion were? Do you think it was Galadriel and Celeborn exclusively, as King and Queen, or do you think it was some form of ruling council that also included Celebrimbor and the Gwaith i Mirdain? I personally believe that while Galadriel and Celeborn were the founding members of Eregion, there was some sort of shared power structure that existed in the form of a ruling council, and that's why Galadriel and Celeborn were able to just pack up and leave without causing any massive disturbance to the government of Eregion. I believe Annatar was obviously the source of the wedge that grew between Galadriel and Celebrimbor, and while it didn't lead to the same sort of atrocities that would eventually occur in Numenor, the Gwaith i Mirdain became sort of like the "King's Men" faction of Numenor, and let their hubris and desire for knowledge and power cloud their judgement, ultimately leading them to reject the warnings of someone as respected and influential as the daughter of Finarfin, the High King over all the Noldor, and as such a princess of the Noldorin royal family. Just curious what your thought are on this. And thank you again for this splendid labor of love.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, much appreciated!. I agree in my mind it's also a ruling structure with shared power (I like the idea of a ruling council). You also make a good point about a potential disturbance of this realm when Galadriel and Celeborn leave. This might also explain, why Celebrimbor is credited as Lord of Eregion in Appendix B of The Lord of the Rings (it would work too imo). But yes I fully agree with your thought. PS: Merry Christmas ^^

Nice.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

thank you ^^

Your videos are, as always, top-tier. I know English is not your first language, so here's a systematic correction you could implement in the script for future videos. Whenever you talk about what was the future from the perspective of some past event, the grammar structure "future in the past" is used. Instead of "will," "would" is used. For example, you said something like, "Sauron started to build what will become his fortress in Mordor." The correct version is: "Sauron started to build what would become his fortress in Mordor." Since Tolkien content involves talking about a lot of narratives, I thought this grammar point could be useful. Also, you say, "Check my other video about...." I'm not sure if the word "check" is used in this way in British English, but, as far as I know, the word doesn't fit this context. It would sound more natural to say, "Check out my other video about...."

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you much appreciated. Oh ok good to know, The "will" always seemed right to me. I try to implement that. Same with the "check out". I guess I just decided to leave out the word "out" and thought it still made sense. I try to improve ^^

@gib59er56

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Dude, your English is fine. Do not let this man bug you. It is so petty and unimportant, and I was bothered by him trying to "School" you on grammar.

@gib59er56

Жыл бұрын

Are you kidding man?!? What a petty , unimportant point you make. His english is fine, what are you a freakin grade school teacher grading an essay?? Your comment is one of the most inane I have ever seen on You Tube..

@SirRatiocination

Жыл бұрын

@@gib59er56 I didn't say his English was bad. On the contrary, I think it's quite good. As a language learner myself, I value correction a great deal. I only wish more people would correct my mistakes because that would lead to improvement.

@gib59er56

Жыл бұрын

@@SirRatiocination I hear ya, you have a point, I just thought , "Why is he bothering with a small grammar mistake?" But, if that is your thing, .......odd. I wasn`t thinking it was mean spirited , just totally inane.

Canon when discussing Tolkien is complicated. I find the simplest interpretation is that anything published by Christopher that doesn’t have something else published contradicting it is strict canon. For everything else it’s up to you. The history of Galadriel and Celeborn is, as Christopher put it, full of problems.

@ThePhilosophersGames

11 ай бұрын

Yes as said in the video, it's always difficult and that is why I tried to be very transparent with sources in the video. I think contradiction free information (in Christopher Tolkien's publications of his fathers texts) is often difficult to find, because Tolkien iterated so much and there might be cases where Tolkien simply abandoned an idea or where Tolkien was in the process of replacing an old idea, which leads to contradiction.

I am curious how Amazon treat the ROP, since their first few seasons must be based on Second Age. There must Sauron/Annatar, Isildur and Elrond.

Where does it say there was a Palantir in Rivendell? Elendil had three and his son's had four. Who gave one to Elrond and none to Gil-galad? It doesn't make sense. I don't think the elves got any of them.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

It's as explained a theory of mine. When Minas Ithil is conquered and Isildur escapes with the sapling of the White Tree, Sauron would have gotten the Palantír from Minas Ithil. It is nowhere mentioned what happened with it and it's later back in Gondorian possession (Sauron later gets the Palantír from Minas Ithil, in the Third Age when it becomes to Minas Morgul). My theory was Isildur maybe took the Palantír from Mians Ithil with him and he travelled over Rivendell to Annúminas. As a result it might have been for a time in Rivendell. The Other option would be, Sauron did not find it or Sauron got it and it was taken away from him again after the War of the last Alliance (also possible).

@Enerdhil

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Your theory makes a lot of sense and explains a lot. Thank you for the explanation. Your video is so well done and you pay such attention to minute details of the lore. It takes me a while to watch these long videos (4-5 viewings) but they are definitely worth watching and I DO learn some things I didn't know before and your theories are all grounded in facts we know about the lore. Thanks for all your hard work.

now i know how it feels like when i talk about Lord of the Rings :D

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

haha 😂

Oh yes!

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you liked it. It's a bit strange with videos so long: it takes some time until people see them completely 😅 Really curious of the feedback. My fear is it might be too long and confusing.

@johnminkishere

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames I have a 5 Hour Drive scheduled for tomorrow. This will be perfect for it as I lose service most of it

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Have a safe trip ^^ (not sure what the correct wording is in English)

"It is not clear wether he had some regrets too" SAURON???? REGRETS?? Are you joking?????

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

I think you mean Sauron? We can read about Sauron rependting early on, probably out of fear: "When Thangorodrim was broken and Morgoth overthrown, Sauron put on his fair hue again and did obeisance to Eönwë the herald of Manwë, and abjured all his evil deeds. And some hold that this was not at first falsely done, but that Sauron in truth repented, if only out of fear, being dismayed by the fall of Morgoth and the great wrath of the Lords of the West."

@tarikbajric1449

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames i know, but him being a deceiver is a thing, holding true regret is a whole other cup. It doesn't make sense.

Great video and great series. Sorry to pester you on your rings of power videos(I hate that show). You have great content

I've been reading Tolkein from when I first found a copy of The Fellowship of the Ring on the floor of my locker bay on the last day of my sophomore year in HS, 1968. One thing that I've never quite understood is why Sauron so deeply coveted the other Rings of Power, the rings of Dwarves, and the 3 of the Elves. Did these rings 'absorb' the strength of their former owners so He could take it for his own or were the rings a source of power unto themselves?

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

The Rings of Power according to my understanding have many negative side effects and are a way into corruption, but in their core, they are "rings of power" too, so rings that give its wearer power or enhance their existing powers. Sauron also uses them as those, when he recollects them. We can see it with the Nazgûl quite well. Having them as servants under his will also made Sauron more powerful and dangerous.

@mikeburke1881

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Thank you.

Opus magnum! Thank you!

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

It really is 😅 Hope you enjoyed it and thank you too for commenting!

@Hildigis

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Simple yes would not be enough. It is very refreshing to see Tolkien youtube channel that is not superficial, works with further sources and even points to their contradictions. Really well done! One (absolutely minor) criticism: I simply cannot connect Elrond (as noble and as fair in face as an elf-lord… and as kind as summer) with Hugo Weaving. But I guess it is very hard to find other visuals than those inspired by Jackson’s adaptation.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

haha yes I see what you mean ^^ I ony have few artworks of him. One by Kimberly80 and that also depicts him as Hugo Weaving and one of Jenny Dolfen, with her interpretation of how he might have looked. But I think the Hugo Weaving one is more memorable and that is why I used that one most. But I'm also quite used to Hugo Weaving as Elrond by now.

Love it. Just say all the names in as weird a way as you can and chuck rolling Rs in everything. Sounds legit. Not at all irritating.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

haha yes it's for sure weird for some people, but it really is round about how Tolkien described the pronunciation of those names. Modern English is a very unusual language phonetically (compared to most other Germanic or even Indo-European languages). Esp. how vowels are pronounced. You could say English is kind of an exception, because if people pronounce the names according to their native language (Swedish, German, Spanish, Italian or the many Slavic languages, etc), it often is not that different from what Tolkien described (except for some nuances). That is also why Old English sounds so different (which we also finds use in Tolkien's world).

@matthewfoley3929

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames well damn. Your considered response made me feel like a real asshole for my moody comment😅🙏

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

haha don't worry, I get a lot of comments on my pronunciation and trilled Rs. I kind of understand why it confuses people or seems strange. You often have a certain way in your mind how all these names should be pronounced (esp. if you have a very successful film adaption) and if somebody says it somewhat different, it feels strange. Curious how the new show will affect this, because so far it seems they also go with what Tolkien described as well (including trilled or at least taped Rs).

@bluewhitespartan5258

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Absoluter Respekt!

"The Nature of Middle Earth" is NOT a JRR Tolkien/Christopher JRR Tolkien book and therefore not something I will purchase or read as a reference to canon.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

But Nature of Middle-earth contains J. R. R. Tolkien's writings and those were not published before. The parts that were edited are mentioned in the notes and the Editors commentary is written in a smaller font size, so you can always easily see what was written by Tolkien and what not. Further it also gives you the dates of when the texts were written, which I appreciate. As a result it's imo a fantastic book which would perfectly fit to HoMe. The only part that people might criticise would be the Appendices, where Hostetter gives us some of his metaphysical interpretations and they are also at the very end and separated from all the other texts. When it comes to canon (of content), that is always a complicated topic outside of The Lord of the Rings, The Road goes ever on, the Adventures of of Tom Bombadil and The Hobbit (all published during Tolkien's lifetime and written by him). The first edition of The Hobbit is also not "canon" (even inside the story) and The Hobbit in of itself has some unusual details, which seem inconsistent here and there (due to the nature of it written so early and before the ideas from LotR existed). So I totally understand you point. I also see UT, HoMe, etc not as "canon", but sometimes they offer information we find no where else and then here it gets interesting.Same with Nature of Middle-earth or History of the Hobbit.

What was the name of Aragorn’s sword use before Anduril?

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

He used the broken sword Narsil, which he inherited. He got it from Elrond when he was 21 (plus the reveal of who he actually is).

i noticed that you are mixing your english with some deutsche wörter and ehlich gesagt i like that :D

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Do you have an example?

@honorv.8262

Жыл бұрын

Ja I heard Mensch word few times. Its no big deal actually. wie gesagt, gefällt es mir sehr 😁

Necessary viewing I think for all thinking of watching the Amazon tv series, or any movie and what not derived from Tolkien's writings.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

I so curious how the Amazon series will compare to the lore explained in this video when it's out 😂

This anomaly has speard across middle earth... don't you agree mr. Anderson

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

We have to destroy the ring, Mr. Ander... eehhh... Isildur 😂

Big money… big prizes… I LOVE IT!

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

nani? 😅

Hugo Weaving is Aries. Does this make Elrond Aries?

Elron fucked up. Should've pushed Isildur with the Ring into the Fire. Done. No Hobbit, No Fellowship.

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

I know this might be not a serious suggestion, but In the books the scene in Mount Doom with Isildur does not exist, he and Círdan just give Isildur the advice to go there and throw it into the fires of Mount Doom. Also Elrond probably would have risked war with Men when he would have murdered Isildur. I would also say the One Ring would have gotten power over Elrond, if this murder was truly in his heart. To quote Gandalf: "It was Pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and Mercy: not to strike without need. And he has been well rewarded, Frodo. Be sure that he took so little hurt from the evil, and escaped in the end, because he began his ownership of the Ring so. With Pity." I would further add, that this deed would be very out of character for Elrond and very much against Tolkien's philosophy. So I don't think he screwed up there, he did the right thing.

@male272

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames It was a humour based post...however...passing the buck down the road to future generations is a cowardice that can also be considered a great evil...and I'm certain Tolkien would agree when you consider his lament for the industrialization/commercialization of quaint rural countryside English living.

That's easy. Elrond Hubbard. He wrote Dianetics.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

😅

did the numenorians build the grey havens?

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

No the Grey Havens (Mithlond) were build by the Noldor Elves under High King Gil-galad. Maybe(!) the Númenórens later helped expanding it (or other other places in Lindon) a bit in preparation of the War against Sauron in the Second Age.

@helenelliott2375

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames could you do a video on the grey havens thank you much😃

was she merry Yavanna ?

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

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Happy new year. Sorry i just noticed i was unsubscribed ( KZread) .

@ThePhilosophersGames

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, happy new year to you too and welcome back :)

He'a the guy who runs Tesla.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

That is Elon, Elrond is the guy who runs Rivendell 😂

You sound like a record in reverse. Like an an lp in reverse.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

I hope you like listening to LPs in reverse then 😅

@notrobertono

Жыл бұрын

I was just gonna comment the same thing :D

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

@@notrobertono 😅

@notrobertono

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Jokes aside. Love your vids. Keep it up

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

@@notrobertono Thank you much appreciated. Looking forward to complete this video project. About 2 Parts are still missing I think

You should loosen your tie a bit!

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

When you produce a scripted video essay that is almost 3 hours long, you definitely loose it 😅

Galadriel would whip almond in a sword fight

Sve 5

tune way back the rolling of the Rs. It almost doesn't sound like English. Just saying lol.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

That is a suggestion I get a lot over the years and I never figured out how to handle it. Tolkien clearly describes that the R is trilled/rolled in many names. Some people seem to dislike the sound and I tried to trill less strong (I have quite a strong trill 😅). If I would stop now (after trilling the R in all my lore videos for 6 years by now) and anglicise all names, I think my core viewer base would complain and the hardcore fans would write "lol you say the names wrong". As not native speaker English pronunciation is often also quite unpredictable, esp. with anglicised fantasy names. Do I pronounce Thráin as "thrane" or "thr-ay-n" (instead of Thr-oh-in)? And if I apply the pronunciation rules Tolkien wrote down without the trilled R, it seems strange to me ignoring that one rule. What so bad about the trilled trilled R? If we include the tapped R it's a very typical pronunciation for the R that occurs in a ton of spoken languages and dialects (even more so in old languages). In contrast the English pronunciation of the R is far more uncommon. So it always wonders me that people dislike it so much.

Looks interesting; but the Irish accent is too strong for my American ears.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

I'm from Germany though 😂 But yes I can see that my accent might turn some people off.

This would be outstanding, or maybe it is, but is there thomeyhing wrong with your mic? Every s sound cometh out thounding thort of thilly. Maketh it unlistenable. Thorry.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

in English it gets really difficult for me to form the TH. It sometimes leads to me TH-ing the S as well. I hate that this happens to be honest. Also you are exaggerating. It was much worse in previous videos and I think I improved it, but ofc it still happens. Believe me i#m annoyed by it as well. My native language has not TH sound.

You'd make a great historian... if you spent your time on real events of the world.

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

Yes unfortunately I had this Tolkien hobby and started making videos about it and now we are here 😅

You sounded like u drowning im no English speaker

@ThePhilosophersGames

Жыл бұрын

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