I enjoyed the Cliff notes version more than I thought I might. I’d welcome seeing all of the other times this way.

Imagine the resentment that Elendil and the faithful had for Sauron, watching him slowly corrupt their people, making them refugees and now facing him in his true form in Mordor, likewise for Sauron seeing the survivors of numenor that he couldn’t deceive still standing defiantly and now empowered before him after the lengths he went to lol

@natedorney7032

2 жыл бұрын

Amandil, father of Elendil The Tall took a ship to seek the help of the valar. Amandil was never seen after that but it is believed that he did deliver his message. Before he set off on his quest, he told his son to make ready ships so the faithful could escape the downfall of Numenor.

@allthatishere

2 жыл бұрын

I just find it comical that Sauron went from a "prisoner of war" to the "right hand man of the king."

@whoisgoobafish9623

2 жыл бұрын

@@allthatishere only Sauron 😂

@Manco65

2 жыл бұрын

@@allthatishere well if you actually read all of Tolkien's works and get an idea of the time frame it's not impossible to comprehend. Besides humans have stupidity short memories and are easily corrupted.

@allthatishere

2 жыл бұрын

@@Manco65 I didn't say it was impossible, I just find it to be comical. I get the gist of what happened and it does make sense.

I really like this style of video. It'd be so cool to see the earliest eras of the Silmarillion! Though that's... probably not possible. The timescale alone! Thanks for making these videos, guys! I really hope the new series is good. Hope being the key word.

Last time I came this early to a video, Aragorn saved Boromir.

You gotta respect Numenor's might. They were the human equivalent to Valinor 's Vanyar and Noldor elves. Whilst Lindon and Eregion elves struggled to hold Sauron, the Numenoreans came to their rescue and kick his ass back to Barad-ur. Then a thousand years later, again with Sauron and his power rebuilt, they form a host, cruise through Harad and kick his ass in Mordor with their power alone and bring him in chains. Imagine how powerful you need to be to cruise through a powerful Mordor and bring back Sauron in chains without much difficulty.

The complete timelines for First, Third & Fourth ages would be fantastic

@graviaLycan1

Жыл бұрын

This! I'd love those!

WOOOOOW!!! Perfect video, perfect timing! Thank you!!

I would love to see a video like this about the first age. And to answer your question, I would like to see an in depth video about the fall of Numenor

@TheBrokenSword

2 жыл бұрын

I’d love to make one on the First Age too 😁

Excellent as always Mellon! The second age is my favorite age...Keep it up! "Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul!!"

Good to see Goldar on the thumbnail

@TheBrokenSword

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

The fall of Eregion

@CarolinaPine

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the fall of Eregion, as well as the fall of Numenor.

What-if video idea for you to do: What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?

The last time I was this early, one could simply walk into Mordor

I just like to thank you guys for the effort and work you put into these videos. ❤️❤️

@TheBrokenSword

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much :D

Good video

@TheBrokenSword

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Something about Doors of Durin - they were opened before the Fellowship of the Ring. For example Gandalf ventured Moria before and said he exit the mines from inside.

After all that time, all it took was to speak friend to open it. Some incredible door hinge engineering right there

The sinking of Numenor should be incredible.

@natedorney7032

2 жыл бұрын

They hopefully will show the queen struggling to reach the summit of menaltarma so she could make one last desperate plea to the valar before she too was lost in the downfall... That would probably be one of the saddest scenes for me but it was no less important.

I missed the part in Tolkien's writings where the Elves need mithril to keep them from fading.

This is the Second Age we want to see. Quality video.

Succinct yet informative. Good work! I would say that the importance of all the elf lords you mentioned can't be bypassed to tell a proper 2nd age story, but the teasers make it seem the show may be doing just that.

Could you do a video comparing this timeline to the Rings of Power? Let's see how different the story is from the works of Tolkien.

@istari0

2 жыл бұрын

Well, considering the showrunners have said they are compressing the 2nd Age timeline for at least the major events to within one human, presumably Númenórean lifetime, there are major changes for that alone.

@unpopularopinion5022

2 жыл бұрын

amazon has condensed the timelines a lot so that there are not many human deaths , thus they would only show main characters.

@unpopularopinion5022

2 жыл бұрын

@@allthatishere i think given how little info and how big gaps in lore are about the 2nd age. its not a surprise that majority would be original characters.

@cmcculloch1

2 жыл бұрын

Im not sure he would be able to do a 5 hour video....

10:06 Celebrimbor was not killed at the battle of Eregion. He was captured and tortured by Sauron for 2 years. He would still not reveal the location of the 3 elven rings. He died from the torture eventually. The orcs shot up his corpse with arrows and hung him on a pole as a banner.

@JCO2002

2 жыл бұрын

Another error - the western door of Moria didn't remain closed until the Fellowship entered it. Gandalf had exited from it some time before.

@valdeschmitt900

Жыл бұрын

@@JCO2002 no no, they are kinda correct... It was never open from OUTSIDE untill the fellowship. Just a little mistake from the narrator/text.

I'm not sure i will watch the show, I'm way too much into Tolkien stories to see them changed :D Having said that, I would love to see the founding of Lindon and Eregion realms, as well as what on earth is Maglor doing, that could be something the show could speculate with... you can always hope ;)

Please do more "what ifs" Ps: love your vids

@TheBrokenSword

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😁

You are doing a great job! Keep up the with the topics.

"... Not received well..." Greatest understatement of all times. Lol, loved this time line of the 2nd age.

Subscriber request: Id love a deep dive into the first and last kings of Nunenor, elronds twin brother and AR Pharazon

I am looking forward to the scenery in the TV series. For example, Eregion, Arnor, Numenor, flashbacks to Beleriand 😍😍😍

@ProdicalMan

2 жыл бұрын

What good is scenery when the story will be 💩

Always wondered why the second age didn't end with the drowning of Numenor. A much more cataclysmic event than the defeat of Sauron in the war of the last alliance.

@1Drakorn

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's because, so far, all ages have ended when the respective Dark Lord was vanquished. First Age ended with Morgoth's defeat, Second Age ended with Sauron's defeat, Third Age ended with Sauron's final defeat.

I'm not holding my breath for TroP to be anything close to good.

Would be awesome to see Sauron being captured and start manupulating the numenors! Also perfect video before the series, thanks!

A similar video on the First Age be nice. I really enjoyed this one. Good overview focusing on highlights without neglecting "connecting" material. You do a great job on these videos. I've recently discovered the channel, and become a regular viewer.

Great Video as always

@TheBrokenSword

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Reliable as usual! When I need something on the second age you got me fam.

I would love such a breakdown of the other Ages too :)

10:50 not true, the Western doors of Moria could be quite easily opened from the inside, Gandalf and Aragorn had both previously travelled through the mines that way, having entered from the East.

Thanks for this I’m learning a lot getting ready for September!!

Great video! You could really make similar videos for all the previous and following ages.

Thanks for making the video. Really useful background to guide me through ROP. Love the channel 👍👍

Just love these videos! Thank you for sharing! I find myself nodding along and agreeing with you so often :)

This video is better than the entire rings of power series…. Why? Because it literally just tells the lore. Just give us the f-ing lore!

Very nice video .. can't wait to see the third age in a video like this one ⚘️

Thanks for making this. It really helps to have this in mind for the show.

You gained a new follower with this. I'm going to go back and watch more. But more of this style would be great!

Thank you for posting the video. I've always wondered about the timeline of middle earth.

I would love to see elros leaving Elrond in one flash back from Elrond point of view and the last ever scene of the last season should be the last alliance marching to face saurons forces but I can’t wait to see isildur stealing the white tree sapling from numenor myself and the great flood but also seeing sauron make the ring himself

@MagnaMater2

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, and looking at the first pictures I thought the actor they gave us as 'Celebrimbor' would have been better suited as Elros, aged up compared to his twin.

@pedrovargas2181

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣 nyet Not with the pile of dung the Rings of Pamper have done.

Missed this one - S.A. Year 1600 - Glorfindel sent back by the Valar to help Gil-Galad and Elrond with his newly gained powers. Why is everyone keep skipping on my main boy here?! :(

I'm glad that more people are being introduced to Tolkien and especially his works outside the events of The Hobbit & The Lord Of The Rings. I'm looking forward to the new show and seeing how other people imagine it all.

Thouroughly enjoyed it! Thanks

I have a stupid question, I've never read the books and only have watched the movies a million times, but I was wondering about king Theoden from the two towers right before he rides out into battle. He says "where is the horse and the rider?" What was this about? How did he know? Was there a prophecy or something? Also, right before he's turned back into himself by the white wizard, he calls Gandalf "stormcrow". What did that mean?

@leonardofaber5823

2 жыл бұрын

"Stormcrow" is an ill way to say Gandalf only brings bad News and unfortunate events. "Where is the horse and the rider" is part of a poem in the books, where the old days of Rohirrim are retold

@natedorney7032

2 жыл бұрын

The words of Grima Wormtongue: "ill news is an ill guest".

So, the Second Age lasted for 3,441 years.

i always keep asking how precisely the edain got blessed, either the moment when they entered numenor or over the generations of edain born on numenor got stronger older and taller

@leonardofaber5823

2 жыл бұрын

The moment they started learning from Eonwë the blessing was given

@willffre

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonardofaber5823 aha i see thanks so i could asume it was the later generations thats learned most of those blessings?

@leonardofaber5823

2 жыл бұрын

@@willffre the Edain were the founding fathers of the Númenórëans. So not the later generations, but the very first ones

@willffre

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonardofaber5823 ah thanks for clearing that up for me

Keep it up I love listen to the Insight that you give.

@TheBrokenSword

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Will do 😊

This was SO helpful, if you did this style more I would definitely appreciate it!

I greatly enjoyed this style. Please continue.

This is by far the best video on the 2nd age. Beautiful I wish to donate please share the link.

I would love to see a video about the fall of eregion

Love this style of video awesome great work love to see it for other ages

Awesome! I’m very excited for the show. It’s these main timeline moments that I’m most excited for. There may be a lot that feels filler or doesn’t work well but I hope these main moments are executed well.

Yes, please more timeline videos. They are very helpful!

Can you please do a timeline video for the third age?

Gonna have to start that one right over again lol. Sounds like ROP is starting about the year 3000

Three of the Nazgul were men from the mighty race of Numenor. My guess is that the Witch King was one of those three along with Kamul The Easterling and possibly Gothmog.

@unpopularopinion5022

2 жыл бұрын

i am guessing halbrand will become one of the nazgul

@johnnyedelhoff5866

2 жыл бұрын

Khamul the Easterling was, surprisingly, an Easterling

@natedorney7032

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyedelhoff5866 the black numenoreans also did settle among the Easterlings and the Haradrim. So my comment isn't off the mark.

@johnnyedelhoff5866

2 жыл бұрын

@@natedorney7032 yes but the that he's known as THE Easterling suggests that he's an Easterling. Also the name Khamûl doesn't sound very Númenorean

@natedorney7032

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyedelhoff5866 it could be a name given to him by the easterlings.

I can see them cutting the thing with the Tar-&Ar- Kings short and the whole Civil-War with the Faithful & Kingsmen playing out between Elendil, Tar-Miriel and Ar-Pharazon.

I enjoyed this, many thanks. Yes.. please do timelines for other ages too 😊

Can we get a Smaug vs Balrog What If versus battle breakdown!?

yes do this kind of video for First Age and Third age

I enjoyed this presentation! Please do same for all ages of Middle Earth. Thank you!!

Great video, thanks.

I am VERY excited to see the Lord of Gifts befriending Celebrimbor and deceiving the elves to create the rings of power.

Great video, 3rd will be watched if added!!

I’d love to see the story of Tuor & the story of Glorfindel as well

very cool video style!

Thanks for putting this out. I appreciate tubers throwing out content for us followers. Trying to figure out when Rings of Power is taking place. It sounds like 3255 but a lot of the show story sounds earlier since the Numenor act like they have gone to ME recently at all (going off the timeline for them in Umbar).

@pedrovargas2181

Жыл бұрын

ROP is an emetic fanfic that happens only in the writers's empty heads.

I expect that Amazon's "adaptation" will bring interest in the Second Age to an end. Perhaps it will be revived in the future if it gets proper treatment.

Nice video. Thank you.

if you have not already can you please make one of the first age? This one was great. Actually seeing all the timelines would really be great, but seeing the first age is the one i am interested in seeing next :) :)

I really enjoyed this video. I've always been curious about the Kingdom of Lindon and how the Noldor chose to live in For-Lindon, ( North of the Lune) while the Sindar lived in Har-Lindon.( South of the Lune) Again, thank you for your videos.

Very comprehensive and helpful thank you! Really makes me wonder why the amazon 'Rings Of Power' teasers haven't alluded to ANY of this! In fact looking back on the teasers they seem to be covering a completely different or alternative timeline.

@lizziesmusicmaking

Жыл бұрын

The rings of power showrunners seem to have decided to massively compress the timeline to create something quite different from what Tolkien wrote. They aren't using the canon timeline at all.

The first age is interesting and like to now more about it and this a really great video my favorite one at least.

Add to the list: a deep dive into the specific Catholic/Christian theological concepts that Tolkien was mirroring in so many scenes! You did a similar video, but it was a more broad and cursory review of all Tolkien's influences. I think the Catholic theology he injected were so numerous and specific that you could almost make a separate channel for just that.

Well done, M8

Can't wait to see the War of the Elves and Sauron and the fall of Ost-in-Edhil. So many powerful High Elves there...it must have been epic.

I never heard a name "galadriel" in this video. Maybe I just failed to hear it. Meanwhile all I see is galadriel in this new Amazon fan fiction.

Awesome video

Please do all other ages of Arda. Others have done them, but I want to see your take on it.

We want a complete timeline even if it takes 2 hours,thank you lots of 💕💕💕

How did gandallf get his staff back? Because in the movie he jumps off the tower and flys away without it but then in Rivendale the staff is back. Idk

@TheBrokenSword

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a hard one, because in the books I don’t believe Saruman takes his staff! Then when he returns as the white, Galadriel makes him his new one! So unless the movies assumed someone like Elrond could have done the same, it may just be an unanswerable question 😂

@darbyelliott2890

2 жыл бұрын

He used Force Pull when he rode Gwaihir as they flew away.

Good job! Unfortunately Amazon did to Tolkien's masterpiece what Melkor did to the elves (tortured and disfigured it into an unrecognizable abomination)

i want a compltle video of mordor

That is ONE. LONG. HISTORY! But I love it, thank you for taking the time to present it this way! I have a question. So, in the year 1600 SA, Sauron finally forges the one Ring to Rule Them All, right? The epic battle in which Isildur chops the ring off Sauron’s finger is 3431 SA? And during this roughly 1700 year interval there are all kinds of epic battles where the Dark Lord himself can say, like the rest of us “you win some, you lose some!”? He even gets taken prisoner and frog-marched to Numenor, where he bides his time (for how long?) long enough to snooker the king into making him an advisor there and to convert the populace to worshippers of Morgoth! Etc… Given the almost maniacal urgency with which the Council of Elrond would shove the Fellowship of the Ring out towards Mt. Doom in the 3rd Age, I would have expected much more dire and immediate consequences for his enemies when Sauron had initially completed the forging of his One Ring way, way back in 1600 of the second age. Like, within minutes. So what am I missing here? Thanks to this channel and others like it, you guys have revived my love of Tolkien’s life-long work on this amazing saga. Now I can’t let it go, thank you very much! Cheers!

@JM-jj3eg

2 жыл бұрын

The situation is very different between the two ages. There were only a few Noldor left in Middle-Earth in the late Third Age, but there was an entire kingdom of Noldor (Lindon) in the Second Age. Even Gondor at it's peak (~1000 TA) was only a shadow of the glory of Numenor, and Gondor in the late Third Age was a shadow of it's former glory. Khazad-dum was trashed by Durin's Bane in 1980 TA, and the Dwarves were reduced in strength and numbers.

@francishaight2062

2 жыл бұрын

@@JM-jj3eg that’s a very good and concise explanation and I like it! The differences between these 2 ages as you describe them must have really been something! I figured it had to be something like that, but it’s also occurred to me that, along with these external differences, perhaps Sauron had invested so much of his power into the ring that it would take time for him to then acquire the kind of frightful leverage worthy of the ring’s power and which he had intended. And, in the meantime, he still managed to really come out and create some grief: to go from prisoner to advisor in Numenor; then convince its men to start worshiping middle earth’s equivalent of Lucifer; and then get them to attack the good guys in Aman. I’m guessing Iluvatar’s sinking of Numenor subsequently is a good indication of Sauron’s crescendoing mischief. Put another way, when the ring is finally cut from his finger, what’s immediately left of him is practically nothing-suggesting how much power was now in that thing. Fast forward 3 millennia. He’s STILL without that thing, and yet… just imagine the combined power between the ring itself and what Sauron had amassed in the meantime! That makes sense to me. Yikes.

I would love a timeline video about the others ages

9:12 I've seen that pic before and the more I see it, the more 'Mr Morden' I think it looks.

yes please do the first age also!!!!!!! 💛💛💛💛💛

"It could , could be epic.." - God I admire your optimism ! I mean that story certainly could/would be in the right hands! But come on .....really!!!???

Well done.

I think it's fair to say that the Sindar's grudge against the Dwarves was not without merit.

Classy move to credit all the artists

Imagine how Sauron must have laugh in the middle of the chaos, as the wave engulfed all of Numenor