Whisper vs Meren vs Kokusho vs Yidris EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

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  • @hedonology
    @hedonology5 жыл бұрын

    I like that the Skullclamp died for no reason because it was attached to the Fauna Shaman lol.

  • @N1ghthavvk
    @N1ghthavvk5 жыл бұрын

    Bill stopped flicking his cards immediately when Daren Bojuka Bogged him. Funny

  • @hafusan

    @hafusan

    5 жыл бұрын

    haha, nice catch!

  • @cedrikleblanc7579
    @cedrikleblanc75795 жыл бұрын

    I like that the Skullclamp went to the bin with the Fauna Shaman and that he never noticed.

  • @Punintentionally
    @Punintentionally5 жыл бұрын

    This week on MTGMuddstah: Kokusho vs. Kokusho vs. Kokusho vs Wheels

  • @ChuckThunder

    @ChuckThunder

    5 жыл бұрын

    My deck at the time did not have a kokusho (whisper deck). Now it does lol

  • @wittmoneyman
    @wittmoneyman5 жыл бұрын

    I love the way you edit and break down the games. It makes it so easy to digest and enjoy. While I like other styles of watching commander this is easily the most enjoyable for me. Keep it up!

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar5 жыл бұрын

    Dropping Birthing Pod in a table with two monoblack decks... must feel good.

  • @DarkEinherjar

    @DarkEinherjar

    5 жыл бұрын

    Well, we'll never know now, because we can't see the decklist (it's either wrong or outdated).

  • @Quroe_
    @Quroe_5 жыл бұрын

    "Sidisi exploits a plant." Let that gory image sink in.

  • @zordzao95
    @zordzao955 жыл бұрын

    I was delaying my lunch indefinitely for this. Thanks!

  • @AffinityForCommander
    @AffinityForCommander5 жыл бұрын

    It's Muddstah time already? Hell yea! 😍

  • @xakuyer
    @xakuyer5 жыл бұрын

    Pitiless plunderer is like the small version of phyrexian altar, without the sac outlet ability, but you get to keep the mana around.

  • @namename8004
    @namename80045 жыл бұрын

    Everyone's favorite frog? Excuse me, The Gitrog Monster would like to have a word with you...

  • @orsettomorbido
    @orsettomorbido5 жыл бұрын

    . That Notion Thief was bonkers. Sadly, doing it without having means to protect yourself is not the greatest idea. +1 for the shivers given tho HAHAHA Also, not completely sure if sacrificing Sheoldred to Razaketh was a good idea.

  • @luisfmallorquin
    @luisfmallorquin5 жыл бұрын

    can you upload the kokusho deck? I came to see the video again just for the deck haha

  • @middknight5202
    @middknight52025 жыл бұрын

    I'm simple, I see a commander I've thought about playing because uniqueness/jank (like the game with neheb R/B or The flash R/B guy) and I click. thank you Muddstah for your amazing consistent content as always man! Thank you thank you sincerely thank you!

  • @IntegratorNivramgrate
    @IntegratorNivramgrate5 жыл бұрын

    There might only be one Kokusho commander, but in a similar iteration of what must be a battle involving copies of a card (I'm looking at you Mirage Mirror), there was most certainly more than just one Kokusho, among other copies of cards (with similar effects).

  • @TableTopTakeDown
    @TableTopTakeDown5 жыл бұрын

    I thoroughly enjoyed this

  • @marianovaschetto5280
    @marianovaschetto52805 жыл бұрын

    And that's why you always cast your Entomb on your opponents end step!

  • @thatonescarecrow4692
    @thatonescarecrow46925 жыл бұрын

    Feels good, sounds good. Except for Meren punts, this one is a wonderful video.

  • @zombiesahoy
    @zombiesahoy5 жыл бұрын

    03:13 - That Bojuka Bog was indeed satisfying.

  • @cougerslayer8408
    @cougerslayer84085 жыл бұрын

    Like the baseball into. Seeing it’s right around the corner

  • @undeaddragon9612
    @undeaddragon96123 жыл бұрын

    So glad to see my boy whisper represented!

  • @gparry12
    @gparry125 жыл бұрын

    Does this Meren player forget that he has a commander to play before he does graveyard shenanigans? Should have played Meren on turn 4

  • @kurtgrgelwrx8376

    @kurtgrgelwrx8376

    5 жыл бұрын

    he even leaves up 4 mana later in the game, not having cast Meren yet Really weird

  • @Cole444Train

    @Cole444Train

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah there were a lot of weird decisions from him.... I think maybe just bad decisions

  • @kurtgrgelwrx8376

    @kurtgrgelwrx8376

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Cole444Train would be interesting to hear what he thought, yeah

  • @hiddenleaf414

    @hiddenleaf414

    4 жыл бұрын

    My guess is he knew playing against 2 mono black decks means there would be a lot of removal and that early Meren would be the biggest threat. If Meren dies early and you havent set up some ramp you’re shot for a little bit.

  • @SirKingHoff

    @SirKingHoff

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@hiddenleaf414 this is a correct comment

  • @karolmanecki6575
    @karolmanecki65755 жыл бұрын

    Bill have really sweet playmate. I need one xD

  • @xxmerkutioxx
    @xxmerkutioxx5 жыл бұрын

    any chance we can get that Kokusho decklist?

  • @emdub9679
    @emdub96795 жыл бұрын

    Using Grim return like that was such a good play

  • @keyblademasterkevin
    @keyblademasterkevin5 жыл бұрын

    Time for my favorite part of a monday morning!

  • @kidscottii3957

    @kidscottii3957

    5 жыл бұрын

    Kevin Stokes The ONLY good part of a monday morning

  • @keyblademasterkevin

    @keyblademasterkevin

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@kidscottii3957 You're right.

  • @MystMG
    @MystMG5 жыл бұрын

    Bill my dude, entomb is an instant.

  • @hafusan
    @hafusan5 жыл бұрын

    fantastic game! It felt truly black which made my heart happy. Having written that, maybe I should built my first mono black deck soon? It's s shame that the staples, especially ramp, is so damn expensive.

  • @daviddeboer8793

    @daviddeboer8793

    5 жыл бұрын

    I built my first mono black commander deck recently (with gonti as commander) and cabal stronghold is a really good budget option, as is burnished heart. Depending on your playgroup, there are various cheap tutors as well. And I like colorless artefact ramp as well. I don't know what your budget is and what you like, but I feel you can do a lot of the cool big mana black stuff for cheap (but no one needs to run and hate, which is the case for my playgroup mostly which is actually very nice for budget deckbuilding)

  • @daviddeboer8793

    @daviddeboer8793

    5 жыл бұрын

    *land hate

  • @RedPoorman
    @RedPoorman5 жыл бұрын

    can anyone recommend a good infect deck with atraxa as commader

  • @TheNathanBorgman
    @TheNathanBorgman5 жыл бұрын

    Can you upload the kokusho deck. Done moving yet?

  • @ivernedit4132
    @ivernedit41325 жыл бұрын

    That was such a great notion thief

  • @maxscott2770
    @maxscott27705 жыл бұрын

    Do u have deck lists for all 4?

  • @moonlight2870
    @moonlight28705 жыл бұрын

    #allblacktable and ALMOST #nobluetable. Damn It Roger!

  • @darylchiu9030
    @darylchiu90305 жыл бұрын

    first one This is why Kokusho was banned as a commander from the format's early days.

  • @xMetalxSonicx

    @xMetalxSonicx

    5 жыл бұрын

    Now it's just a meh Black deck. It's slow engine.

  • @dhull2867

    @dhull2867

    5 жыл бұрын

    No recurring nightmare is why Kokusho was banned.

  • @Lucarioguild7

    @Lucarioguild7

    5 жыл бұрын

    Daryl Chiu It’s pretty fair nowadays

  • @namename8004

    @namename8004

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'd LOVE to play Recurring Nightmare in EDH.

  • @EnthrallingBass140
    @EnthrallingBass1405 жыл бұрын

    Where can I get that Tasigur Cat Mat

  • @johnsuttles7577
    @johnsuttles75774 жыл бұрын

    +1 for kokusho decklist

  • @yoshitsunej1733
    @yoshitsunej17334 жыл бұрын

    do you have that kokusho decklist still by chance?

  • @namename4903
    @namename49035 жыл бұрын

    Daaamn so much graveyard shenanigans

  • @darrenshoemaker7883
    @darrenshoemaker78835 жыл бұрын

    He cant play Tasigur in Meren. Its Color Idenity is Sultai

  • @RaptorBlade

    @RaptorBlade

    4 жыл бұрын

    Tasigur was in Ydris

  • @user-qf2rs5xu9g
    @user-qf2rs5xu9g5 жыл бұрын

    Daren's playmat... Is awesome

  • @171relic
    @171relic5 жыл бұрын

    Sweet game

  • @kielerstabenow7217
    @kielerstabenow72175 жыл бұрын

    Can some help explain when Bill cast living death, at approximately 10:55, why Daren's triggers, resolved first, then, victor, then bill?

  • @mrZOK1

    @mrZOK1

    5 жыл бұрын

    I think it goes like this, Living End resloves and then all players do what the Living End says at the same time and after that is done and creatures come into play, the ability of creatures activate and go to stack. Active player (Bill) trigger goes first on stack, then the player after him (Victor) and then from the last player (Daren). After all abilitys are put on stack the last one resloves first, then second to last and so on.

  • @radkid1110
    @radkid11105 жыл бұрын

    for living death, about 11:00, what/who decided that the etb triggers were ordered as daren > victor > bill? if bill was the controller of the spell, shouldn't his etb's resolve first? or since he controls the spell, he decided in what order the etb's resolve?

  • @zombiesahoy

    @zombiesahoy

    5 жыл бұрын

    Here is a good reddit post that helps to explain this interaction - www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/7wuhsg/complex_rules_question_resolving_living_death_in/ Also, this post from the Magic Judges Blog - blogs.magicjudges.org/rulestips/2011/09/apnap-and-you/

  • @addambarcelos
    @addambarcelos5 жыл бұрын

    living death in this game was insane, lmao

  • @NickBase
    @NickBase5 жыл бұрын

    omg darens playmate is awesome

  • @frycook813
    @frycook8135 жыл бұрын

    Best of luck with moving!

  • @Nairbull
    @Nairbull5 жыл бұрын

    kokusho decklist please

  • @radkid1110
    @radkid11105 жыл бұрын

    still waiting on that kokusho decklist :p

  • @illakunsaa
    @illakunsaa5 жыл бұрын

    Bills sol ring didnt die to Disk and it then allowed him to cast living death.

  • @spencersonnier1
    @spencersonnier15 жыл бұрын

    What a fun game.

  • @Sgt_Bacon189
    @Sgt_Bacon1895 жыл бұрын

    Great episode, though the Kokusho sacrifice triggers were a little too much and basically foreshadowed who would win this. I also have to admit, that I have a new most hated commander, with Kokusho just being too strong, for what he costs.

  • @IntegerDevourer
    @IntegerDevourer5 жыл бұрын

    Daren Bajuka Bogging Roger when Bill just put a Hulk in the graveyard was odd choice.

  • @dovakinsteve9517

    @dovakinsteve9517

    5 жыл бұрын

    Integer Devourer he was probably afraid of a combo

  • @elvisy_punto3147
    @elvisy_punto31475 жыл бұрын

    oh i love the plaimat of tasigur cat xD photo plis

  • @Barjack521
    @Barjack5215 жыл бұрын

    Sweet

  • @RATZGobbler
    @RATZGobbler5 жыл бұрын

    I hope this video doesn’t get demonetized for that Naruto playmat

  • @johndinkel9041
    @johndinkel90413 жыл бұрын

    I love that victor is a libertarian. That mat is dope.

  • @ChuckThunder
    @ChuckThunder5 жыл бұрын

    Because of this game I have since added kokusho to my whisper deck (victor) lesson learned

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar5 жыл бұрын

    Are you sure the link you listed for Meren is the correct decklist? A lot of cards played in this game aren't in there: Sheoldred, Razaketh, Living Death, Spore Frog...

  • @MTGMuddstah

    @MTGMuddstah

    5 жыл бұрын

    This is what he sent me

  • @DarkEinherjar

    @DarkEinherjar

    5 жыл бұрын

    The list must not be properly updated then... oh, well. :(

  • @ManMan-ho5gu
    @ManMan-ho5gu2 жыл бұрын

    Sam O’Nella music makes me sad now. I wish our king was back

  • @fallsenseless9699
    @fallsenseless9699 Жыл бұрын

    Watching to see about kukushou and it was correct but yeesh what was happening. Random yidris wheels with no pay off and a meren deck that used raz tutor 15x and still lost.

  • @dillpickle694
    @dillpickle6944 жыл бұрын

    It sounds like I’m gonna need a kokusho for my Teysa karlov deck

  • @afriendofafriend5766
    @afriendofafriend57665 жыл бұрын

    Can't Bill not have Tasigur because of the blue mana symbols?

  • @DiamondDovahkiin

    @DiamondDovahkiin

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes, technically they can't have crypt ghast because of the white symbol

  • @olafthemoose9413

    @olafthemoose9413

    5 жыл бұрын

    Bill didn't run him I think. The tasigur was in the yidris deck

  • @michaeljamieson3297

    @michaeljamieson3297

    5 жыл бұрын

    Roger had a Tasigur, which is in Ydris' colors. I don't remember seeing one on Bill's board, but maybe I missed it. The white symbol is in Crypt Ghast's reminder text, which isn't considered for color identity - the same way mono-white decks can run Blind Obedience.

  • @olafthemoose9413

    @olafthemoose9413

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@DiamondDovahkiin they can because the white mana symobol is in the reminder text of exort and reminder text isn't considered as cardtext.

  • @DarkEinherjar

    @DarkEinherjar

    5 жыл бұрын

    Tasigur is Roger's, and he's playing Yidris.

  • @ghr1990
    @ghr19905 жыл бұрын

    Taking out Roger seemed to backfire imho.

  • @tremackin
    @tremackin4 жыл бұрын

    Im confused on how Victor lost. Couldn't he just sacrifice prior to his turn the card/creature that would make him lose 2 life?

  • @BTGamenight
    @BTGamenight5 жыл бұрын

    Drinking game: Chug a beer everytime a Kokusho trigger happens xD

  • @xakuyer

    @xakuyer

    5 жыл бұрын

    More like, everytime Muddstah misses a study trigger

  • @orsettomorbido
    @orsettomorbido5 жыл бұрын

    Kokusho won! YAY! My looooove

  • @julianhugen8760
    @julianhugen87605 жыл бұрын

    Why? Why he sacrifice Sheoldred with Razaketh at 7:39 if the ability is instant speed? Why?! I loved the finish of the game, Kokusho "combo". Meren deserved to lose after tutor a bunch of cards and don't be able to win the game.

  • @ericr4677
    @ericr46772 жыл бұрын

    Ah whisper, everyone’s favorite bene gesserit.

  • @DeanJayJackmanJr
    @DeanJayJackmanJr5 жыл бұрын

    50k! 50k! 50k!

  • @patrickschmidt6140
    @patrickschmidt61405 жыл бұрын

    Yeet!

  • @robertcrane561
    @robertcrane5613 жыл бұрын

    Victor couldve activated Whisper in reponse to the Preist and put the Garry into play. He wouldve drained enough to maybe eek out the win with that board

  • @monty125874693
    @monty1258746935 жыл бұрын

    Three necromancers walk into a bar

  • @ivernedit4132
    @ivernedit41325 жыл бұрын

    More merin ayy

  • @ErikTheRedd1
    @ErikTheRedd15 жыл бұрын

    So Much Kokusho

  • @joshconlanecon8815
    @joshconlanecon88155 жыл бұрын

    that was a lot of black mana

  • @kidscottii3957
    @kidscottii39575 жыл бұрын

    I Want Rogers Playmat NOW!

  • @GPcarbone1

    @GPcarbone1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Kitty Tasigur is pretty sweet

  • @williamkim1415
    @williamkim14155 жыл бұрын

    am I the only person who didnt get the old intro?

  • @92bagder
    @92bagder5 жыл бұрын

    didnt realize Victor's playmat is the Libertarian Party symbol

  • @jayharyu927
    @jayharyu9274 жыл бұрын

    Very little on this earth feels better than bojuka bogging a meren player

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar5 жыл бұрын

    If Bill hadn't gotten greedy with Razaketh, losing 10 life to tutor for five cards, he might've had enough life to survive that last turn and turn the tables... He also got too hasty with that Entomb and lost his Hulk for nothing, when he could've waited to cast it in response to Roger's Winds of Change.

  • @JonnySeri
    @JonnySeri5 жыл бұрын

    Don’t feel bad for the Yidris player!! They always have something hidden..

  • @vengray8055

    @vengray8055

    5 жыл бұрын

    And sometimes they just have a way to clone a creature or thier turn.

  • @JonnySeri

    @JonnySeri

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ven Gray I just think Cascade is a broken mechanic, its really good as a one of two of but when your entire deck revolves around it its busted

  • @ZacIsTooStrong
    @ZacIsTooStrong5 жыл бұрын

    Anyone else notice the rare, expensive and cool Naruto playmat the Kokusho player had?

  • @unimaginative_artist
    @unimaginative_artist5 жыл бұрын

    4 Black decks walk into a bar...

  • @Madman3721
    @Madman37213 жыл бұрын

    So spoilers If you notion thief in response to a wheel effect, you better have a way to either protect yourself or wipe the board, cause Roger sadly didn’t get to live to see the next turn after that..

  • @afriendofafriend5766
    @afriendofafriend57665 жыл бұрын

    So I don't think it's true because I've never heard it, but can I use the promo code mtgmuddstah, in all caps at flip side gaming dot com to get 10% off?

  • @dillonallen2851
    @dillonallen28515 жыл бұрын

    I belong to the denomination of ppl that have successfully draw themselves to death by accident (on more than one occasion) from playing [Notion Thief] at a full table.

  • @xakuyer

    @xakuyer

    5 жыл бұрын

    What if I did it on purpose, then lost for not having a lab maniac in play ?

  • @vengray8055

    @vengray8055

    5 жыл бұрын

    Best way to go

  • @blightX9
    @blightX95 жыл бұрын

    Kokusho is the mvp

  • @horribleville
    @horribleville5 жыл бұрын

    Bill misplayed so hard

  • @anactualopinion868
    @anactualopinion8685 жыл бұрын

    Ban kokusho in multiplayer anyone ?

  • @oliviauzquiano7392
    @oliviauzquiano73924 жыл бұрын

    I'm late, but shouldn't Bill have lost six life from reanimating Izoni?? He should've died to Yahenni and never untapped with Living Death!

  • @viceverse11
    @viceverse114 жыл бұрын

    They always kill Yidris first

  • @olamattsson94
    @olamattsson945 жыл бұрын

    Good game, but Darens deck seemed really boring

  • @Hey_Tk
    @Hey_Tk5 жыл бұрын

    I was excited for this, then realized it's all played out commanders :(

  • @druem
    @druem5 жыл бұрын

    Why didnt the Whisper player extort ever? He could have gained like 12 life in one turn and he left the mana open for literally nothing.

  • @ChuckThunder

    @ChuckThunder

    5 жыл бұрын

    I totally forgot this. I should have done that to stay alive longer

  • @freexd2486
    @freexd24865 жыл бұрын

    Oof

  • @tabacco82
    @tabacco825 жыл бұрын

    Roger is the king of the big plays ... a myth this video should be titled "how not to play magic"

  • @amethystwyvern
    @amethystwyvern5 жыл бұрын

    Respect to the kokusho player but damn, that looks incredibly boring to play against.

  • @Cole444Train
    @Cole444Train5 жыл бұрын

    I’m all about self-expression, but isn’t displaying your political beliefs on a playmat a little bit confrontational? I would be worried about people judging me before they even spoke to me, which would definitely happen.

  • @09Dragonite

    @09Dragonite

    5 жыл бұрын

    I can totally see your point, but considering what his beliefs are the statement that Victor is making is that he doesn't really care about someone else's opinion. Don't get me wrong, that obviously opens him up to judgement, but realistically I don't think it bothers him the same way it would to others of various other beliefs. I'm not a Libertarian, so I can't say for sure that's what he is going for, but it is also possible that he disagrees with the Libertarian party and is using the image as an ironic piece of criticism. A good friend of mine purchased a pair of metal Communist dice with the Hammer and Sickle on them. When I asked him why later he said "What's more Capitalistic than putting a brand logo on something and selling it for more than it's worth?". I think about that a lot when I get into political discourse.

  • @pauldyson8098
    @pauldyson80985 жыл бұрын

    That libertarian playmat.

  • @GraveGeist482
    @GraveGeist4825 жыл бұрын

    Graveyard decks *shudder*

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