Just did my second hardline water-cooling build, its not about practicality, its about the satisfaction of the build. Its a hobby after all.

AIO cause I don’t have to build the loop or manage it lol

@jonathansellers4518

Жыл бұрын

Lol I'm exactly the same

@midwestworkshop2863

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same. Lol

@DeathHornDisst

Жыл бұрын

Did my first custom loop this year. It’s really not that bad with corsairs bending kit and some patience. AIO are easier an cheaper, but the custom loops look sick 👍

@Xyler94

Жыл бұрын

Once built, just gotta replace fluid once every 2 years. Sooner if you don't use premixes. Seriously, not that bad, performs better and is quieter than an AIO.

@Funlu

Жыл бұрын

Aios may involve a lot less maintenance than a clc, but that doesn’t mean no maintenance! A lot of bad aio situations could have been solved if they let you top up the fluid inside.

I remember browsing the aquarium sections way back in the day trying to figure out how to rig up my own custom cooling solution. Custom cooling has come a long way, it is just too bad that everything is so expensive now. Aquarium section included.

"Custom PC Loop Cooling for Dummies." It's a handbook found at major bookstores. The book is located in the section containing guidebooks. You will also find the "MS-DOS for Dummies" handbook there. In the past, I built a custom cooling loop system. The loop included my CPU and two RTX 2080ti GPUs. Remember when SLI was the way to go? The tube bending is the hardest part of the assembly. I made a stand for my heat gun. It keeps the gun's tip at a set distance and perpendicular to my workbench. I added a simple temperature indicator to the bending guide and placed the guide below the heat gun so I knew when the tubing was ready for bending. My heat gun has variable heat allowing me to adjust the temperature to find the heat 'sweet spot' setting for bending.

Hardline/custom loop owner here. Much harder to maintain and build, more expensive, but I love looking at it and knowing that it's one of a kind, looks great and performs well

@kevinerbs2778

Жыл бұрын

what's wrong with soft tubing & distilled water?

@alexedwards6509

Жыл бұрын

I bought a 3950X with a X570 master and 32 Gb 3600 DDR4. I was going to buy an RTX 3080. But for obvious reasons it didn't happen. Inspired by Jays vids I thought I'm going to water cool this sucker". And so I started buying the stuff week by week. When I had it all, I looked at it and thought "holly crap, this is that Jays fault" I'm glad I did it. Nowhere near perfect but ok for a first try

@billyhatcher643

Жыл бұрын

yep im glad i chose soft tubbing first because it was easier to deal with i had no issues at all

@mammothkiwi

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinerbs2778 nothing, had that setup for years

@EddieG_333

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinerbs2778 There's nothing wrong with it at all... It depends on you - do you mind soft tubing, organic looking loops - or do you want your tubes not "sagging", looking more uniform. They will both perform the same if the pumps and rads are the same - it's just about what pleases you. Oh, and if you're willing to spend the time trying to bend everything perfectly for your hardline tubes. Just do whatever makes you happy - I would certainly start with a soft tubing build, just so you get used to everything fitting together, but other than the learning curve... all up to the individual really.

Having built both, I like the simplicity of the AIO. I’ve spent a ton of money making a few open loops and still have a box full of odds and ends for when I eventually make another loop.

@marinipersonal

Жыл бұрын

Same here. Considering how cool my 4080 runs, I can’t convince myself the need of a custom loop. Previous 3000 series watercooling was the way to keep them silent and cool, but not really needed now, as long the case offers good airflow, you’re better off splashing on some quiet fans.

@backlogbuddies

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah. AIOs being super easy/simple to handle is a gift from God

@Frozoken

Жыл бұрын

Wish there were aios without the fans tho. That way it would save cost and people could use better fans too without going full custom loop. Idk how to do a custom loop but I sure as hell know how to replace a radiator fan, in fact, you gotta attach the included ones yourself anyway.

Love your channel Jay! Have to say, I’m a total amateur with PC building but recently finished my first build: i9 13900KS, EVGA Classified mobo, 64G G.Skill DDR5 6400, 3 TB Samsung 990 M2 memory, and GIGABYTE 4090 OC, Corsair 170 AIO w/140 fans/RGB, Corsair 7000D w/3 140fans, Corsair 1500W power. Your videos were invaluable. This PC booted the first time, loaded BIOS update first try, Windows 11 (your install with minimal crap and no account work around is great). Running Adobe Photoshop, Lightroom, MW2 at 250 fps and with this cooling never exceeds 60-65C if it ever gets that high, usually 38-55C. Based on my limited experience, all this hype about custom cooling vs AIOs and mega “fannage” is just that “hype” unless your planning serious overclocking (why?? “Because its there” I guess). Anyway, keep up the good work and videos and many thanks!

I've built a custom loop a couple of years ago. The second PC I've ever built. It's amazing to look at something you've built yourself. I cleaned my loop last week for the first time and used the opportunity to upgrade the GPU. Maintenance is not that bad (at that point you know your loop). Planing and building was far more exhausting, especially if its the first time. If things don't go as planned or you make mistakes that destroy something, things can get expensive and frustrating.

Both have places - but the AIO generally will focus on one component (ie CPU, GPU, and most recently (thanks to Team Group) NVMe drives, etc), while the custom loop can be expanded to include many devices, rad's, etc.

I would love to see more water cooling guides. It's actually reason why I found this channel.

@backlogbuddies

Жыл бұрын

Everyone keeps telling him to make OC and water-cooling stuff

@tomast9034

Жыл бұрын

there is plenty of it in his video library :D

@andrewervin2679

11 ай бұрын

@@tomast9034 oh I know but with watching this video and him talking about the hard lines, didn't realize they had so many options. Haven't looked at custom parts in over a decade.

@dontmatter4423

11 ай бұрын

for 0.1% of his audience

@andrewervin2679

11 ай бұрын

​@@backlogbuddies It's cause that is what's pretty much I see people care about. Otherwise they do gaming on console, or just a cell phone.

I think aio is great for most. I think custom loops allow you to do a lot more and have greater capability. There is also the second kind of cool in that its one of a kind and such.

I just put together my first open loop a few weeks ago using your videos as sort of a guide, Jay, and I'm super happy with how it turned out. There's a lot more creative freedom in making it yourself; planning the tube bends, choosing fittings, and coolant color, etc than with an aio. I would say, if you want to cool multiple components, and you have the coin, do a full custom loop. They're so much fun to build.

@Chaos_Dave98

11 ай бұрын

I have an internal crisis just to even think about making perfekt 90 degrees bends and making sure every fitting is good and dry

@FieryMeltman

7 ай бұрын

​@@Chaos_Dave98You can buy pre-bent tubes.

I love learning a little bit more about water cooling like this, I live in a high desert environment and summers here are way too hot for an air cooler so liquid is the only way to keep my rig cool. Sadly the next major hold up for me is price i never have a lot of money so AIOs are enough to keep my pc alive and gaming while also not spending all my money. Thanks Jay Phil and Nic for these info videos like this maybe one day I can go open loop but any more little info I can have is always welcome and definitely helps make decisions easier. 😀

@YoutubeHandlesSuckBalls

11 ай бұрын

Always bear in mind that a low end chiller will greatly outperform even the most hardcore PC solution. In the desert during the hot months I imagine you wouldn't need to worry about condensation either, so you could crank it up properly.

@wastanley734

11 ай бұрын

When you discover hybrid gpus its as game changing as aios. I have a 1070 hybrid I gave my nephew from the 1st cryptocurrency craze. Still going strong 5 years later. It's all about proper rad positioning.

Wish there were more vids like this. Its quite helpful if you are new to building a PC on what cooler to buy. Top work Jay 👍

@affa4

Жыл бұрын

An air cooler is probably fine unless you are going i7 or i9 on recent intel... Though water cooling looks cool and is better to brag about

Glad you’re doing better and recovering fast Jay. Great video as always. You and the team are top notch 🤘.

I really enjoyed making my custom loop on a heavily overclocked Xeon x5670 and I’m sure it performed better, but it’s just so expensive and overkill with todays chips. They’re already boosting themselves and not much OC headroom , thermals don’t seem to be the limiting reagent. On an Arctic freezer 280 AIO refurb I got from factory for $55 plus shipping on my R5-5600 and couldn’t be happier

The cost is a non-trivial difference. I was pricing out a custom loop for my current PC build, and the loop components cost not quite the same amount as the rest of the components I was purchasing for the system rebuild / update. That alone moved me to an AIO for my R9 5900, and left the GPU air cooled.

This is the only material I'm consuming to prepare for my fluid dynamics test due in an hour, I hope Jay hasn't led me astray

@nightlust

Ай бұрын

How did it go?

Hmm, i've had the same AIO since 2015. No issues yet. I've always used AIO's and love them. Simple, cheaper, easy to install.

@ZecsMarquis

5 ай бұрын

yeah i had a kraken 360 that the pump died after 6 months, got a h110i 280 that ive now had for 6 and half years.

Hey Jay, been a fan for years and have always appreciated your input, and especially your honesty. For over 40 years I've built custom systems for myself and for clients. To me, the primary reason to build a custom system is that you are not stuck with inferior or proprietary parts, which is almost always the case with prebuilt systems from any manufacturer, including, and in some cases especially, Apple systems, which can feature elegant design, yet still be comprised of and compromised by inferior parts, always at a premium price. Although I might build a custom watercooled system for myself just to satisfy the ego, after watching this video I will never build one for a client. Forgetting the 5-6-X increase in cost for a 5-8% increase in cooling efficiency, I could never guarantee a custom watercooled system as I do my air- and AIO-cooled systems. The risk of increased support cost and catastrophic failure is just too great. I am surprised that no company has yet seen the potential for a better performing AIO utilizing superior parts and materials. Seems to me there would be a market for such a device, with a copper radiator and a higher capacity pump.

Regarding the coolant type, this is also true for automobiles. When the manufacturer says to use a specific type of coolant, abide by it or you run the risk of corrosion and potentially turning your engine into a boat anchor in time.

@andrewk8636

11 ай бұрын

With cars you just need to research whether they're lying or not. I messed up on my truck by mixing 2 incompatible fluids and it gummed up and killed the pump. Some of them are just proprietary for money tho

@Xavier_Wells

11 ай бұрын

This is mainly an issue with FCA vehicles. The HOAT vs OAT confusion is a mess

@Helifax19

11 ай бұрын

If you have a German car, trust in their engineering :) There is a reason it is like that ;) Yes, they require maintenance, but maintain them as needed & specified and both you and the cars will have a nice, lovely and prosperous life ;) Computers are exactly the same way as cars -both hardware & software and besides water-cooling ;)

@andrewk8636

11 ай бұрын

@@Helifax19 you got jokes 😂😂😂 German cars were good in the 90s, now there is nothing to trust except maybe the engine block and idk about that one. German cars don't live prosperous lives, Japanese cars do

@Helifax19

11 ай бұрын

@@andrewk8636 I think it depends where you are ;) In Europe is the other way around ;) German cars live a long (too long) time. I can't argue with JP cars though:) They live long no matter where they are! I vote them for the means of transportation on Mars or Luna - when/if they still do those expeditions :))

Been running custom for 10yrs now, pretty much have moved the same hardware through different builds over that time. Only thing's I've added are spare rads, tubing, and pumps ( I have a hardware hoarding problem as well - lol). Now AiO's are just simple turn key options for watercooling - I tend to suggest them for people that want an easy option to get started.

@jondonnelly4831

Жыл бұрын

I stopped watercooling, gpu blocks cant br reused and have gotten expensive, cpu block too often cannot be reused. It's an expensive hobby. The fittings alone costing more than a dh15. These days graphics cards have great included coolers.

@xXDarthBagginsXx

11 ай бұрын

@@jondonnelly4831 In my case I have been on the same GPU for 6yrs now, but previous models I used the sale of the previous card w/ block to fund the next one. But yes it does get expensive fast, I stick with EK's ZMT tubing due to cost and compatibility with fittings (I still have a ton of hardline fittings if I feel like going that route again). My son's rig will remain on air due to cost and maintenance, which is another thing open-loop is maintenance intensive in comparison.

@rustler08

11 ай бұрын

​@@jondonnelly4831 WTF kind of bullshit are you spouting? CPU and GPU blocks absolutely can be reused unless you're being an idiot and damaging them. My Velocity block has been on like 5 different CPUs over multiple years, and I've purchased used GPU blocks that do just fine. No one listen to this person, they're clearly clueless.

@pupsaderpupin5627

11 ай бұрын

​@Jon Donnelly yeah, a good way to do is wait for previous gen GPU blocks to go on sale, they can't get rid of them easily. I think heatkiller is still selling 2080 blocks. If you don't mind not being latest and greatest

Much needed for dummies like me. Like I would've never thought about something like considering PETG tubing. Thanks for this.

It's just for show basically. You can buy an amazing airflow case, upgrade your GPU, CPU, RGB fans and a huge air cooler for cheaper than a custom loop. The PC will look amazing, maintenance is just cleaning it 2-3 times a year, there's no risk of anything leaking, destroying your expensive components and your performance will be better since you've invested in newer, better, more power efficient parts that require less cooling instead of pumps, fittings, radiators and tubes. Running your components under full load at 60C-70C instead of 50C-60C will not thermal throttle them at all and will not reduce their life span to the point you'll need to replace them before they're completely irrelevant. As a hobby, it is fun. But for most people, performance matters most.

I always used AIOs with my Intel builds… never wanted the maintenance that comes with custom loops. However… I just went with a 7950x3D build and my first air cooler in forever… the Noctua NH-D15. Pretty awesome when you can run a 30 min all core burn test and peak at 89C. Yay for thermal efficiency.

@Surms41

Жыл бұрын

Isnt 89c thermal throttle? Now days u don't really want to reach 85c due to core density, or am I wrong?

@garystewart3110

Жыл бұрын

exactly what I have. I just read your comment after I posted mine. Dang great cooler, I argue the best.

@jonny5143

Жыл бұрын

Damn that's toasty

@Takintomori

Жыл бұрын

@@Surms41 I'm pretty sure 100 is thermal throttle on the 7k series

@thomashanson6603

Жыл бұрын

Uhhhhh....that doesn't sound encouraging.

For building something practical, AIO will always win out....but then by that logic just get an NH D15

@wastanley734

11 ай бұрын

Nh d15 v2! The just updated the fans for higher static pressure!

Just use a Noctua NA-FC1 to generate a PWM signal for the pump. Only require SATA power, and works like a charm. Ramping speed up and down helps a lot when filling and bleeding, particularly when you got two or three D5-pumps in series.

Got a Strix LC II 360 AIO. It's my first liquid cooler. I have it on a 13900ks. I'm extremely impressed, this thing is amazing, but temps can be a little unstable and now I see why. I ended up installing a thermal grizzly contact frame which evened things out a bit. That being said this breakdown is actually really cool, I haven't looked into Open Loop systems because I didn't understand the need for it aside from overclocking, but this clearly shows the benefits of going the extra mile. ONE DAY!

It would have been nice to see the temp difference between the AIO and the custom loop.

@stevenandrews8225

Жыл бұрын

Temp difference is not usually enough to justify the cost difference. Most people do it for looks

@rehlich

Жыл бұрын

He has a ton of vids on that. Custom loops are the way to go for cooler temps depending on application and what your doing with the PC.

@benjaminsmekens2344

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenandrews8225 Until you get to 7950x/13900k & 4090 levels of heat, then temps will be very different. I live in a very hot and humid climate (40c summers), so air isn't an option, and AIO's aren't going to keep my HW under control (there is also a good amount of overclocking going on and the margins really start to matter at that point).

I did my first custom loop last year and likely wont do it again. It was fun and I love it but its wicked expensive. However my loop now will last me at least 5 years. After this im going back to either an aio or air.

@ianc.4444

Жыл бұрын

It is indeed expensive - that being said, as long as you take care of it properly, you likely won't have to spend that much at once again. Hell, you could probably keep it for more than 5 years honestly - maybe replace a pump if it dies and coolant and ur good. Obviously, AIO or air is way more convenient though.

@Telvarous

Жыл бұрын

@@ianc.4444 Yeah that's true. I did spend about $200 or more on the fittings and those will last likely forever. Same with my cpu block, my gpu block is another story though. Luckily I have a 3080ti so I don't plan on upgrading that for a decent while.

I decided to go with an open loop design. For 2 reasons. One The individual components can be better, and two. Because of expandability. On the first point, being better components. Most, if not all aio's come with a radiator that is only 27mm thick. The Radiator that I chose was 60mm thick. So in effect doubling the size, and capacity of a an already large 480mm radiator. without taking up twice as much real-estate. From a business stand point. The current aio's include a lot. But in order to make it profitable. Corners have to be cut. So on one hand you get cheap and easy with an AIO. But on the other hand, it will never be as good as it could be. With an open loop, it will be as good as you want it to be. But it will never be as easy to maintain as a AIO. Since with an AIO there is no maintenance. Once it fails, replace it, and whatever parts it was meant to protect.

Great content and detailed info. This is why I love your channel 😊

I've probably been very lucky, but I'm still using my 2015 Corsair H105 AIO. Yes, a couple of years ago I completely disassembled it because it was making air noise, replaced the hoses with food grade silicone hoses that will withstand from -60C to 200C which I attached to the pump and radiator with fuel hose clamps and of course changed the coolant. I transferred it from one PC to another and am still using it. I might buy a new one but I want to see how long it lasts. 😅

@Dzugashvili

Жыл бұрын

I have a h100i I just cleaned and refilled for the first time with my new build, hardly any evaporation. Running great with my 13700k in the 750d case. Had both asking with the evga supernova g2 750w going strong since 2014/2015

@cj.wijtmans

11 ай бұрын

you can now turn it into a full custom loop.

Would have loved a side by side comparison of real world performance. I know the custom loop performs better, I've had both on the same system. But seeing that here would have driven the point of the video home.

The lack of computex coverage is genuinely refreshing, thank you!

Great info here, thank you!

This definitely made me check my AIO and my temps. Going on 5 years old and seemingly fine. Pump temps are fine though the actual CPU temps are a tad higher than I'd expect.

@Jayztwocents

Жыл бұрын

That's likely due to needing new thermal paste

@Darrolm

Жыл бұрын

@@Jayztwocents Thanks for the reply! That’s definitely something I need to do at this point.

@Darrolm

11 ай бұрын

@@Jayztwocents Thanks again for the reminder that this should be done. Replaced the stuff that came on the Corsair AIO with some Kryonaut and it brought the CPU temps down several degrees. It also somehow fixed the weird issue I had where the task manager would falsely report 100% usage until I reset the power settings.

Should probably also comment that a water loop does NOT need to be as expensive as Jay here implies. The main item you look for really is just the cpu water block or plate as that has to fit. (but you can still get cheaper options than EK, even older ones can be modded to work). But everything else you can get from local stores. I mean a water pump, go to your local pet store and pick up an Eheim pump, you can get tubing there as well (though I prefer Tygon 2475 or 3603 depending on what fluid I'm using). Barbed fittings can be found at home depot/hardware store as well as the clamps. for a radiator you can go to a local junk yard, or if you're friendly with your HVAC guy see if they are replacing any units and pull something from there. Fans can be anything as well (old computer fans, bathroom fans, or whatever). It's NOT rocket science. Biggest item is to check galvanic corrosion tables (ideally using all brass/copper for example for metals). and then some distilled water & water wetter (auto store usually). It may not be 'pretty' but it works.

@Junebug89

11 ай бұрын

This is some scrapyard wars tier bootlegging

@stevenbryant1011

11 ай бұрын

​@@Junebug89 and I'm here for it, very function over form

@malphadour

11 ай бұрын

I used to use Eheim pumps for all my loops - they aren't as fancy and tend to look a bit more clunky, but this is what they are designed for. I had one fail after 9 years - I was quite satisfied with that sort of longevity.

@stevekristoff4365

11 ай бұрын

@@malphadour yup, people just need to think a bit outside the box. That was 'normal' back in the 80's/90's. Companies these days all try and make people think that you NEED them (to lock you in), but physics works the same for everyone. For pumps I've even used auto fuel pumps (they're also 12v) but they are not rated for 24x7 like a fishtank pump, so they burn out faster.

I find comfort in knowing what's inside what I'm buying.

15:15-15:22 had me rolling 🤣🤣🤣 Love these types of videos. Thanks, Jay!

I wanna know your thoughts on the Alphacool AIO’s! They use off the shelf parts like copper radiators and DDC pumps, and they’ve got quick-disconnects for adding pumps, rads, or linking other loops together. Been considering a dual 360 setup from them and combining the loops for my next build, seems like the best of both worlds

Aio for £130 Takes 10 mins to install 90 percent of the performance The extra ten percent perf you get from loop is also unneeded by 99 percent of users

@kylesenior

Жыл бұрын

But no GPU cooling.

@centenario6677

Жыл бұрын

Is it possible to get another aio for gpu cooling just asking

@RukhWhitefang

Жыл бұрын

@@centenario6677 Yes, Alphacool makes the Eiswolf 2 GPU AIO using their open loop parts. I run a 360mm Eiswolf 2 on my 3080. Temps never go above 53c under load.

@elitepauper7400

11 ай бұрын

​@@kylesenior not needed if you have anything that isn't a reference model. And even then. Many gpus can run very very hot.

@malphadour

11 ай бұрын

I disagree. More like 95% of the performance :) Caveat - in regard to pure CPU only cooling. Especially when the £130 AIO is an Arctic LFII 420.

I love the idea of open loop (custom water cooling), and enjoy watching you do it. I did it for a few years, but I got tired of the maintenance and monitoring. I thought about AIO, and water cooling is required for some hardware, but the liquid will eventually evaporate and the pump will eventually die. I ended up stepping down my performance and went back to all-air, since swapping out a fan is a lot easier, and I worry a lot less.

I was honestly surprised to see the ID of the AIO tubing. I knew it would be a decent bit smaller than the OD but not by that much.

Custom can be bigger, generally has more liquid so it can take away more heat without actually heating up

@emmaorion

Жыл бұрын

Fanspeed 110% + headphones.. no problem

@Mike__B

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure more liquid = take away more heat. I think it all boils down (no pun) to what's happening at the radiator that is the place where all the cooling happens, if you move it through too fast it doesn't cool down the liquid much, if you do too slow then it doesn't pull the hotter fluid away from the cooling plate quick enough.

@sierraecho884

Жыл бұрын

What is the point ? Let´s say it takes 30 min. longer to heat up, so what ? There is almost no benefit in this one point.

@sierraecho884

Жыл бұрын

@@Mike__B More liquid takes longer to heat up. Given a big enough tank you wouldn´t even need a radiator. Say you are using a bath tub for your reservoir you wouldn´t need any fans because the surface of the liquid alone would be big enough for that task. With very little liquid you would have to circulate that liquid much faster and cool it faster at the rad. But generally speaking for PC´s none of this really matters, you can still cool down your CPU with air cooling.

@joee7452

Жыл бұрын

Kind of but not quite. More liquid does take longer to heat up IF you are applying heat to all of the liquid at once. A loop will have overall cooler liquid avg because the majority of time the liquid is not doing anything. Once the liquid is cooled leaving the radiator, it is not doing anything to help cool the system until it goes through the block. The temp of the liquid before that point means nothing useful to the heat exchange unless there is an issue with it not cooling down coming out of the radiator. The only 2 places that temp matters is the exit of the block (showing that it picked up as much of the heat transfer as possible) and the exit of the radiator (showing that it is being cooled down as much as possible for it's next pass). An AIO that shows a huge degree difference in those 2 spots could mean that it is removing a ton more heat then a custom loop that shows the liquid is cooler overall but the difference in exit temps is much smaller. The only thing that really matters is that you like the cooling option you put in and it the setup works as you want it to.

my custom loop has been re-purposed from skylake to 5900x which only needed a block change, already had 700mm (360+240) worth of rad so my upfront cost has actually saved me a lot in the long run for upgrading and cooling.

Great educational video, I really enjoyed it. And I love the ending

Had a custom loop for about 4 years now. Was a fun experience building it, but for my new build next week i'll go for an 360mm AiO for the 7800x3d and air cooling for GPU and the rest of the case :) I've had a really minimum leakage on one of the hosepipes due to it not sitting straight on the fitting after warming up and bending a bit. Luckily i saw it immediately and nothing bad happened, also cuz my liquid is UV reactive green :D

I would love to see you look at expandable AiO (Alphacool has one) as well as how to include a GPU waterblock into it as well. I'm guessing it is able to accommodate a GPU waterblock and an extra radiator since it claims to be expandable.

@mrdali67

11 ай бұрын

The biggest problem in that, is that most of those small standard aseteck pumps integrated into the cpu block on aio’s is not powerfull enough to drive a bigger loop. They are just about big enough to drive a 360 radiator, but you are absolutely right. Would be nice to see more models using some standard fittings so you could add a gpu loop and a tap to empty and refill the loop. I don’t have enough knowledge if it’s even possible to theoretically add an extra pump and resovaire without problems, but have often wondered why they don’t make it possible to mod an aio via standard fittings, but its most likely to avoid having to foresee all the problems a modder could create to something that really only is designed to single loop system.

@nosliwec

11 ай бұрын

@@mrdali67 On Alphacool's website, they also have expandable AiO GPU waterblocks. I didn't look to closely, but would assume these would just daisy chain. I would also think you could couple their AiO with an open loop GPU. Hence why I am curious and would like to see more.

The end of the video was the best "sell" for air cooling I have ever seen (I am an AIO user) Thanks Jay and team for breaking my heart!

Before watching ok, AIO only cools one component, and the pump is usually weak, and it cannot be maintained or repaired, and the ASETEK licensing pumps up the price, the CPU AIOs usually come with 2-3 cables coming out of it, and need software running in the background to be controlled.

Most aios have an aluminum radiator vs a copper one like alphacool which uses regular water cooling parts for an aio

You should do another video on custom loops on how people can over spend when not needed. That’s interesting to me since how I’ve never built one.

@xBINARYGODx

Жыл бұрын

this, there is a trade off

I did my first custom loop 2 years ago with Thermaltake pastel colours and after about 3 months I noticed all the colour leaching out of the reservoir and planned to replace the fluid. Approximately 3 or 4 days later while sitting at by computer the first fitting after the pump blew the pipe out and dumped all the fluid into the case. I inspected the fitting and pipe and it was perfect, so what I believe happened was what ever chemical reaction that caused the colour to leach out pressurized the system. I contacted Thermaltake and they not only replaced the pump/res, radiator, fluid and pipe work they sent me a core P7 to replace the lost case. The point is that even when you do everything right you can still have problems. I wouldn't recommend custom loops for your daily computer, also shoutout Thermaltake for stepping up.

I just serviced my AIO a couple of days ago. It's an Alphacool Eisbaer Pro Aurora 360 and it was designed with maintenance in mind. Also the radiator is copper (and brass for the threads). It has a fill port in the pump housing, a quick-release connector in the tubing and you can easily unscrew the base plate. This AIO has all the relevant features in terms of longevity and maintenance and quality but when it comes to cost it's not more expensive than your typical mid-range 360 AIOs. Downsides are the clunky appearence, the noisy fans (I replaced them with Lian Lis) and the relatively low flow rate of the pump (compared to a custom loop).

I've been thinking about the feasibility of building my own 'AIO' using custom watercooling parts. Especially considering ek releasing the cpu block with a built in pump. In your video you mentioned this block will have the same orientation problems as an aio so why not use it for a custom aio for better block performance? EDIT: could be useful for test benches or one offs.

@okkolanpoko3432

Жыл бұрын

Alphacool Eisbaer Pro HPE 360 is "AIO" but built with customloop parts and therefore fully repairable. There isnt that much reviews yet about those newer HPE models with newer radiator design and yea the radiator is copper. If im gonna buy 200$ AIO, I will buy that one as it can be repaired and parts can be used for better customloop later.

@Krataking98

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@@okkolanpoko3432 problem is that it's more than the price of a budget pre-built in Australia at about $800 AUD. Not including shipping costs.

@okkolanpoko3432

11 ай бұрын

@@Krataking98 In Finland it isn't that badly priced, It costs 237€ which is around the same as the other mid/high end AIO sets.

Custom loop all the way. It’s addictive. Once you do it you can never have another build that isn’t custom

@brandongray1059

11 ай бұрын

Yep. I like handling it myself with full cover waterblocks.

When Jay brought up the "first open-loop build" about not having enough fittings i felt a little attacked. My first ever open-loop build i did i was short ONE FITTING. Luckily for me it was only a 3 hr drive to the nearest microcenter but man was it worth building it because now even to this day because of these videos i feel more and more comfortable about working on my computer and trying out of the box trouble shooting.

I work as a software engineer and never really touched Hardware much less cared for it. But I got interested by friends years ago. Came to your channel and learned and got excited to build my first computer. I built my first computer a while back using an AIO and then built one for my Dad as he needed a new computer and I was excited to do it again. I am probably going to give my current first build that has upgrades to a family member and then create a whole new build. I really want to do custom looping instead of AIO this time around to experience it and cool a much much more powerful build. This video really helps me know more details about it and comparing the two I still would need to do so much more research to make a final decision.

AIO all the way. Minimum maintenance, ease of upgradeability and close enough performance

I have a custom loop without a reservoir, I filled the loop with a small bucket, I used koolance quick disconnects though, that helped keep the air out

I have the EK solid white in my loop for a few years now. The longest I had it running without exchanging it was 2 years. So far I had no problems with it. Nothing has fallen out. Every time I took my loop apart it was perfectly clean, no residue in sight. What might contribute to that is the fact that i use glass tubes.

My Corsair H100i basically ran dry. When I saw my overclocked I7-8700K running at nearly 100c under Prime95, I pulled it held the radiator vertical with hoses at the bottom and shook it. I could hear water sloshing at the bottom, but not the top, There was barely enough coolant in it to fill the bottom tank in that position, Installed a 4 pipe air cooler, and the temps stay under 75c full load. Custom loop advantage: You can easily see the coolant level and add more if it gets low. With an AIO, you really need to record full load temps after install, then check and compare every year to make sure they're not climbing due to water evaporation. (I didn't realize this could happen, so I didn't check.)

Great looking setup. I also has the same concern for my tv when I moved. It was all good 👍🏼

I use a 12v pond pump, keep the loop tolerance within 3 metre head pressure.

Alpha cool has a nice aio with the LT solo pump block. All copper and fill port on the block. Got that and then when I was ready I turned it into a custom loop it was a great beginner watercooling setup.

Been running my first AIO the CAPTAIN 240EX WHITE since 2016, so far still going strong with no issues. But I do keep a eye on it a lot more just in case.

I love stuff like this !!! thanks for the educational video Jay and team!

Excellent video Jay. Great to see you back in the saddle!!

14:10 noctua sells a little USB pwm controller you can adjust with a trim pot. Even has an on-off clicky button on it.

The only thing that prevents me from going full custom loop is not the cost or the hustle building it. It's the maintenance nightmare if you wanna do a complete system clean up or if you upgrade regularly. Draining the loop, disassembling it, then assembling it all again, check for leaks, fill it up, bleed it... IT's basically a full day work, while with an AIO like the LF II it's as simple as unscrew it and screw it back on afterwards. Custom loops look sick, no match for noise either, but damn that hustle when you decide to upgrade or maintain.

Please please please do another Ultimate fitting guide and more water cooling guides in general! The 2 big reasons that I won’t do a custom open loop, is because of the discrepancy in sizes of pipes and availability. And the biggest one which you didn’t mention in this video but have in the past , YOU HAVE TO BUY EACH SINGLE FITTING AND THEY ARE NOT CHEAP and you need to hope you have enough. So you have to somehow plan and measure your entire loop without having any fittings.

Since my AIO died on me last year, i thought i was through with it in terms with water cooling. But now looking into building my first custom loop. What i like about custom loops is the flexibility to accomodate other komponents. Where as AIOs are mostly for CPUs. But AIOs require less maintance compared to a Custom Loop. As for pricing i think it comes down to aestetics. But you can definitly spend more money on a custom loop.

Thank you for the comparison video, Jay. Hard to believe, been building since about time the same as you, maybe a year or two before. And I have never done a custom loop. And now everyone else in my house has AIOs except mine. Lol

Custom Loop, Very excited to learn How to do this well. Jay your last personal Rig/System is Beautiful! Thank you for the amazing content and honesty put into your channel, You and It are greatly appreciated!!

This is so Important!!!! We just see people creating PCs. This is what we need. Please make more of these videos. I just learned something about the pumps today! the radius of the pipe walls! copper vs aluminium! The plate touching the IHS! Density of the cold plates! Tubing! The Fluid! I feel so PC Educated!

Soft Tube custom loop builder/owner here & Custom loop all day every day!!! Doesn't matter if it's soft or hard tube either is better in every way for experienced builders.

Thank you for the video. I like this a lot. Gracias

I can also vouch for the Mystic Fog I've been using the pre mix for a few months now and it's been going beautifully. No issues or weirdness and I have clear blocks. The concentrate I used prior however, I had issues with. I followed the instructions but had nasty gunk build up. So beware on that and possibly use more distilled water than recommended for it.

New to rigid tubingand loving it!

I love the look that you get with a custom loop, but I swap parts out way too often so the convenience of an AIO is why I use them.

I'll say about is ease of use for a new builder. Easy on my pocket too. Custom loops are better long term and I will get where I can make one.

I have a Raijintek Orcus 240 in my pc which has lasted 5 years now. It has the pump on the pipes and came with a bottle of liquid to replace if needed as it has a screw on the cpu cooler to drain . I've not yet needed it as it's been a superb AIO and still looks really cool.... It's now cooling my 5800X3D superbly

My Corsair H150i 280mm AIO has been running solid for 7 straight years now (Built it in Jan 2017 on an i7 7700K) still only hitting 61-65C under Full load. Using Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut as Thermal Paste between die/IHS and between IHS and Coldplate. No leaks no failure. Front mounted in the case. Have Not touched it in 7 years except from some dust spray cleaning of the fans and fins. That is a damn reliable AIO and as headache free as it can get.

@max5183

3 ай бұрын

Ive got a Kraken from march 2017 aswell for the 7700k. Have not touched that at all. I started wondering about a year ago how long it will work 😅 Ig ill just wait for it to break and take that as a sign to build a new pc

Gosh you said "when I started doing YT, all we had was non rigid" Dude, we are SO DAMN OLD! I remeber when you quit your job to YT Full time, I remeber when Hardline came about, I still remeber Skunkworks (RIP Case Labs). So much has changed! So old we are getting! When all the tubing would leach plasticizer, so you had to pick the right ones. I remeber my very first WC foray, was a kit, I want to say it was called like big something (EDIT: It was a Thermaltake Big Water 760i, back in 2007!). With a intergrated pump in a dual bay rez, Those were AIOs back then! So fun fact about quality as well. Although it has not been used in a decade, I still have my OG Raystorm Kit from XSPC. I have the Raystorm and the 240mm Rad! Its so damn crazy to realize I have been watching your videos for 11 YEARS!

Back when I still did water cooling I always used distilled water with 2.5% antifreeze mixed in. Never had any issues with neither growth nor corrosion.

I’m sure I fall in with a million others, but it’s super awesome to have you back, Jay! I hope recovery is going well and everything is a success!

I really would love to go with a custom loop just for the looks and it would likely be quieter than my current setup but I'm currently with an AIO. Kinda focused on my hardware itself before a custom loop since i decided to upgrade to a 3080 Ti before the 40 series launch.

i like clean builds with good cable management, no RGB and soft tube custom loop.

Same custom loop since 2008 best solution for me!

Thats why i love my Be Quiet AiO cause it has a fill port and came with a small bottle of coolant with it such a great product

My Soft line custom loop is 7 years old. I flushed it 2 years ago with no growth or clogging. I watched your videos and built it. The only problem I have had is my fans started buzzing from bearing failure a couple years back... Cats. Anyways thanks for the solid info.

Very informative video Jay. Great work. Just an aside, if the copper has zinc in it, it’s brass.

thanks i have learn alots of thing about the aio and custom loop !!

This video pretty much convinced me never to bother with open loop. I don’t need the hassle. 😁

In my design office, we use the custom loop for all 5 of our Threadripper equipped render farms. For the individual work PC's we use either a chunky air cooler or an AIO. I personally use an AIO for my home PC, much easier to maintain, cheaper, provides enough cooling, if something goes wrong, I'll just RMA it or buy a replacement.

Previous full hardline custom water loop owner here. I've switched to air cooling because it's such a headache to upgrade components when you have a custom loop, especially the GPU and motherboard. Draining the loop, changing the water block to fit the new graphics card, re-creating pipes, re-filling the loop, it just got too much of a hassle, because I like to upgrade often. Modern air cooling is so good now that there's no need to consider liquid cooling any more for performance reasons, only if you want it for aesthetic reasons. Currently running a 7950X and an RTX 4090 FE, fully on air, with a Noctua U12A on the CPU. The system's completely silent even under full sustained load, and I mean completely inaudible fan noise, with CPU or GPU temperatures never exceeding 70C max, with PBO/power limit tuning. With this level of performance attainable, I would only recommend liquid cooling if you fancy tinkering or want to build a unique-looking system.

Thank you Jay I decided to go ahead and build a custom loop.

I have my H100i and Ive had it for many years at this point and its been running nonstop essentially and hasn't let me down.

I really enjoyed this video...I built a custom loop for my cpu/gpu about 5 years ago and it still looks and works just like it did the day I put it in my system...I take it apart and do a thorough cleaning twice a year though...I think the biggest surprise when puttting it together was the cost of fitting! Jesus they can get expensive!