I live in Canada, so no cooling. I use my CPU to keep my heating bills down.

@chilly243

3 ай бұрын

So thats where all this "global warming" is coming from! Pls, for the love of the flying Mountie, lower your power limits ;-)

@saiprakashbaral8526

3 ай бұрын

​@c😅hilly243 Canada is one of those places that needs global warming

@goldenheartOh

3 ай бұрын

Sign up for Folding at Home and heat your house while your PC fights cancer! Or you can volunteer your pc's processing power for any number of other research projects with that app, but I think its mainly for calculating protein folds. My room would get toasty after a night of processing with my 2070 Super & 3700x.

@macblink

2 ай бұрын

hahaa bro keeps warm and cozy on his PC, rocking the stock cooler 😆

@KeinNiemand

2 ай бұрын

Electricity is way more expensice then heating by other means

I literally only just noticed that whenever I hear an American talking about PC temps that they talk in Celsius not Fahrenheit.. my little metric mind is blown

@scubasteve53

2 жыл бұрын

C makes for lower numbers than f its not actually cooler but the number is lower , pc gamers are obsessed with numbers , the lower the better on temps the higher the better in clock and fps , its dumb but... well people are dumb so it makes sense Edit In a moment of self awareness I just realized i am also one of those dumb people lol I think its just a subconscious desire , or to more easily compair performance because everyone measures temps in c

@Jwellsuhhuh

2 жыл бұрын

@@scubasteve53 lmao

@AlphaMachina

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I always stick with Celsius for monitoring temps. I think subconsciously we want that number to be lower, and Celsius gets us a lower "number" than Fahrenheit, despite the value or variable being the same.

@__murf

2 жыл бұрын

@UCld-0hKL3rcQeb3yIIA6LQA 1:54 - and give full measure when you measure.. unless its core temps, then measure in Celsius, as it look smaller

@sleezuskryst1246

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that gotta do everything different from the rest of the world 😂

I like the idea of having an AiO, but ultimately, I have to go with air cooling. The AiO only increases the points of failure. The pump can fail, leaving me with practically no cooling. If the fan on the air cooler fails, the CPU is still passively cooled, which won't be enough for heavy loads but should be ok for the most essential work and for ordering a new fan. The AiO can also leak and destroy the whole system, and it requires more maintenance. The air cooler manages fine even under maximum load, so I won't fix what ain't broke.

@Bossfightmedia

Жыл бұрын

Same Idea here. What can fail, usually will at some point.

@benjaminschmidt3612

Жыл бұрын

@@Bossfightmedia Well Murphy's Law still lives, but the point of fans failing and not just replacing them seems weirdly specific for me. I wouldn't live more than two days using my pc with broken CPU fans, and not do anything about it

@mikem9536

Жыл бұрын

You can also build in redundancy with air cooling, if my cpu fan dies, I still have an 80mm pushing air at it via an air duct.

@Chopper153

Жыл бұрын

Everyone knows this. Why do air-cooler users have to lecture others what to use? Just use what you want. I use water cooling but won't rant how bad the performance of air-coolers are.

@Antoinne

Жыл бұрын

@@Chopper153 you were literally in a comparison video between air vs water cooling. Ofc everyone will point out the pro and cons between both cooling. What kind of discussion you wish to see here??

Another 2 years after this video, air coolers are still killing it. Even at 200W+ under unrealistic loads, coolers like the NH-D15 and even the $40 TR Assassin keep temps well under 90c. Between that and the reliability/lack of leak potential, I've stuck with air coolers. If you're rocking an overclocked i9-12900KS and a 4090, you might be better off with at least an AIO to keep case temps down for the graphics card. Otherwise, I think air coolers are best for most people.

@Magic_Muffin

6 ай бұрын

God loves and cares about you and will always be there for you no matter what✝️❤️

@pradhumpatel5400

4 ай бұрын

i have 13700kf processor was using stock cooler got with the processor, temp reached 100 max all time and made my cpu dead got replaced under warranty. Now i want to know which cooler will be best fit for my processor kindly help

@therealScopolamine

3 ай бұрын

Even 80 Celsius is too hot. I would hope it would be under 90 because that's when ur cpu starts to get damaged. I wouldn't want my cpu hitting 70 except under max load.

@ReddwarfIV

3 ай бұрын

​@pradhumpatel5400 I recommend Be Quiet Dark Rock coolers. My two older PCs with 2nd and 3rd gen CPUs have Dark Rock Slims while my newest PC with an 11th gen CPU has a Dark Rock 4. Depends what fits in your case, obviously, but these are quiet and effective coolers for mid-range PCs.

@hades4438

3 ай бұрын

@@therealScopolamine Your CPU never gets damage because of heat if it's not over 120 C and it will shot down before that. So this is a totally false information. 90C even 100C is normal for Intels and they can go on forever with that heat. The CPU already slows down to no pass that limit. So if you use the CPU at around 90-95, this means, it won't able to use full potantial and I repeat this does not damage anything. 80 C is ultra fine and you will just hear a loud fan. I don't know where you get those infos but I can assure you, you are wrong.

"Processors used to be very inefficient" A statement that will hold true in perpetuity.

@Mike__B

2 жыл бұрын

Say what you will, was quite nice early CPU I had that didn't require any cooling methods, no fans, not even a heatsink. Although didn't take long to enter the dark ages where they'd put tiny whine machines on to cool CPUs.

@robertt9342

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mike__B . It was so massive compared to the transistor count that the chip was the heat sink and could be passively cooled.. It’s like people waxing nostalgically over the model T

@pavelperina7629

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, depends. My Athlon XP 1700 with GeForce 2 had power consumption 90W idle and 130W at load. My Core2Duo with passive cooled NVidia that got very hot had 60W idle and 140W at load. My i5-4590 with GeForce 1060 ... i don't know - CPU cooler is cold even when CPU is at load, GPU is rated 120W so maybe I can reach 200W or so, but I think it's more power efficient that idle PentiumIII as CPU and PSU fans are barely spinning and only somewhat hot part is the chipset. Now I have Ryzen 7 2700x at work which has up to 145W and orderered 5900x which is the same. New high end intels are going to have 240W. I think I've seen Pentium IV that had ... i cant remember maybe something like 160W idle and 200W at load.

@MonoMan1

2 жыл бұрын

@@pavelperina7629 I mean, yeah older CPUs used less power and/or required less cooling. But each new CPU gives much more performance, hence they're still more efficient. Of course, there are some exceptions like the 10900k vs the 11900k which "would be better as sand on a beach." But generally the statement holds true.

@samiam9059

2 жыл бұрын

AMD is more efficient than the new 12th generation Intels... Those are back to brute force power draws.

I had an AIO leak ( from the radiator of all places, pinhole size ), and that firmly put me back on air coolers. Nothing to break, aside from easily replaced fans.

@PabzRoz

2 жыл бұрын

@@skeetlejuice522 How's that gunna help him? He said his AIO had a leak. That smart reservoir that Linus reviewed is only for custom loops. AIO's are one single unit hence the name AIO (All in one). You can't connect a reservoir to them.

@DATBOCK

2 жыл бұрын

@@skeetlejuice522 useless for an aio liquid cooler

@How23497

2 жыл бұрын

@@skeetlejuice522 on an AIO yeah?

@crisnmaryfam7344

2 жыл бұрын

@@PabzRoz Go fucking watch the video before making a comment that makes you look ignorant AF. IT helps because it would have held pressure on that pinhole, keeping it from leaking.

@crisnmaryfam7344

2 жыл бұрын

@@How23497 Sure, Pull the line off the radiator on the aio and run it in the loop. Not hard... You people seem to think AIO are like sealed and cannot be opened... Give that hose a good yank and it will slide right off your AiO radiator.

Thanks Jayz. Living in the tropics, your info considering room temperature is gold.

My first watercooled rig I was running a 1090T Black and rendering ALL the time. Absolutely necessary back then as Jay pointed out. Though now that I split my time between engineering modeling, renders and heavy simulations, I'm still an avid watercooling advocate. My work office at home in Texas gets pretty toasty the majority of the year and is mostly detached (outside of a door) from the rest of the house, so maintaining an air temp that makes the PC happy is strategic at the best of times. The office has heat and AC of sorts--the 'modular' kind--but of the three PC's I've built with watercooling, all of them are still 100% functional and in use. One of them has that same watercooler from the 1090T that's going on a decade of use and still perfectly serviceable; I've only replaced the fans on it. It's in use right now, and I wonder from time to time what kind of record for longevity it aims to set between it and my truck. 😁

@sierraecho884

8 ай бұрын

What kind of stuff do you engineer and render ? You are not the typical gamer, watercooling is exactly right for people like you. I also need a ton of cooling when I do my photogrammetry scans. Still using air cooler, way simpler, cheaper and still the same performance once you figure out the ducting inside your PC.

@C-M-E

8 ай бұрын

@@sierraecho884 Funnily enough since I posted this, I put in a 5900x with a mild OC that runs up to 4950MHz on boost and is straight aircooled with a pair of 5600rpm server case fans. I may or may not have karma'ed my watercooled setup, replaced it with a ginormous 5 gallon reservoir and a 4" thick massively oversized heat exchanger via DIY plumber's nightmare, and later that month we had a power outage and all my sh!t froze solid. I had an oldschool 212 Black on the shelf and never got back around to swapping it out.😁 I still do all the rendering and prototyping, probably run harder than I ever did on the old Intel CPU watercooled. The 'project of the day' (more like of the month) which seems to change between CFD, Zbrush and SolidEdge-type stuff project dependant, will get a little toasty but after an hour or so, it's never gone over 70*C even on days like this year where the outside ambient temp is at 110*F and the office is Warm! Granted the fans sound like two jet engines at full song, but that's nothing I can't drown out with good speakers. 😉

gaming at night when temps drop to 20C is a thing right now

@royvice666

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah...NO, the temps drop outside, but in my room i haven't seen the temps drop to below 28C for......it's been 21 days now...yeah, last time i saw temps below 27C was june 25th i think... Maybe it is a thing to other people but night or day it makes no diference in my situation :(

@magnusnilsson9792

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, the sun is still up at midnight here.

@shitpostcentraI

2 жыл бұрын

I almost only exclusively use my pc at night due to this

@SCHTRAM

2 жыл бұрын

@@Venoox Ye man I have a small apartment, all windows open+porch door+a bigass 1m tall floor fan unit. My ap isnt dropping sub 26.

@royvice666

2 жыл бұрын

@@shitpostcentraI I know, right?

as cool and good as watercooling can be, good air cooling is just so much less of a hassle

@ShinyMooTank

2 жыл бұрын

Air cooler will never go bad and Noctua offer free mount upgrades to their cooler when AMD changes Socket/mount. You keep the air cooler and get a new mount. If a fan goes bad spend $10 - $20 and you're back in business. Very simple unlike AIO where there more failure points and not very easy to fix like the pump.

@twitchmania7614

2 жыл бұрын

I have an aio for about 3 years and i havnt had a single problem. 100 percent hassle free. Just like an air cooler. And if it does go bad. Ill just buy a new one.

@bubkusjones

2 жыл бұрын

Till you're trying to get enough cooling capacity and fit in tall RGB RAM, and have a motherboard where the primary PCIe slot is right next to the CPU. Then a good air cooler is a major hassle. That's my main reason for liking water cooling, you move the bulk (in both volume and mass) away from the crowded motherboard and to the frame of the case.

@dildojizzbaggins6969

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShinyMooTank *you're (short for "you are")

@JCrook1028

2 жыл бұрын

@@twitchmania7614 3 years is supposed to be some special long time?

One thing that makes me want to switch to water cooling is access around the cpu. Not that you have to do it much but trying to push the gpu release clamp is really hard if you have a large cpu cooler.

@narwhal9852

Жыл бұрын

use a pen lol

@megadeth440

Жыл бұрын

i've always used chop sticks to do that

@hollymolly518

Жыл бұрын

@@narwhal9852 used so much force and slip and punctured my motherboard...

@mre8ballgaming842

9 ай бұрын

True

@ProrockAegwynn

9 ай бұрын

Same here with my NH D15. I've actually broken off my clamp with a screwdriver by accident and in the end it was the best thing that could've happened, now i can just take it out with ease and it's still tight in the slot.

That was the best tutorial on the merits of different cooling systems. Pumps are subject to load failure, especially if they employ bearings. I suppose the same thing can be said about a noctua fan, but they are easier to replace for the lay person.

@sysbofh

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention that an air cooler with a dead fan still (kinda) works. Not great, but compare it with an AIO with a dead pump...

@chucklou118

3 ай бұрын

water cooled can leak, not common, but air cooled never can leak.

The real Reason Watercooling is getting more popular lately is simply that Cases with Glas-Windows together with RGB became popular.

@Blafard666

2 жыл бұрын

And also they do better at cooling.

@GlennsHardWired

2 жыл бұрын

Hey kid. Get off Dad's Dell. Your talking nonsensense again.

@vuongpham6661

2 жыл бұрын

www.youtubesolit.com/watch?v=yIGqWNjhsFo

@MrBeetsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@GlennsHardWired Too bad he's 100% right....

@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow

2 жыл бұрын

that and noise

Me: Do we really need another one of these videos? Also me: *watches entire video*

@darrenmaharaj

2 жыл бұрын

Some PC builders were not born the last time Jay did his last water VS air video.

@lifeisinserthere

20 күн бұрын

Hahaha I love getting drunk and/or stoned..and playing JTC videos I've already watched half a dozen times, just to pick up what I didn't know last time I watched the same video.

Subbed. You answered my questions excellently without stalling for time for pushing a brand.

I recently changed my desk over to the Lian-Li DK-05 and will be moving to liquid cooling in it after I build a server on the second platform. So I have been watching a lot of vids on water cooling and I like how yours are easy to understand but you never sound like your talking down to anyone even when your getting into the more technical aspects of the subjects you cover and well with this desk air cooling, though enough to handle the heat is not esthetically pleasing lol so I will be doing 2 custom loops once I have both systems built and your insights have helps a great deal - Thank you

Ive been into watercooling for a while, but recently went to all air cooling with a Noctua D15 Chromax and I really am enjoying the simplicity. The temps are still amazing and it just works.

@christophergaumond1901

2 жыл бұрын

i just purchased a redux i hope it will be good

@RMquickbit

2 жыл бұрын

@Todd K the stress on the motherboard is nothing unless your yanking your pc off your desk, then throwing it to a couch. Then throw it into your car, drive on a bumpy road for 8 hours. With all those jerks and vibrations, yes the stress on the mobo could be affected. Otherwise. You’re good to go

@RMquickbit

2 жыл бұрын

@Todd K add in 99% of KZread creators don’t build with gpu support brackets. Jesus have you seen the 40degree gpu sag on so many builds. It works but I’d never be comfortable with that specifically. That pcie lane might be reinforced but on a card so heavy and the amount on pins on a x16 slot. You’re more likely to toast a gpu from its sag versus a cpu tower cooler applying incorrect pressure to the cpu/mb which results in damage… anyway

@reddragon4482

2 жыл бұрын

I bought one but it rattles my case for some reason? Does that happen to you or anyone? I changed to a watercooler and it doesn't do it anymore.

@exceldoyadika

2 жыл бұрын

Noice.. that d15 will outlive you .. im on the opposite side, this 2 years i've been using custom loop for my pc.. when im doing maintenance it took a whole day just to tear and cut a new pipe. But the nice thing is its very silent and my pc runs 24/7

I usually do air cooling for easier maintenance. I can't afford much downtime on my desktop

I watercooled my last build because I have a compact atx case and it was easier to top mount the radiator and it takes up much much less space inside the case which makes accessing the internals such much easier and I can finally use all my ram slots without worrying about needing ultra low profile memory that gets covered by the cpu cooler no matter what.. slightly quieter with the right noctua fans as well, additionally it doesn't literally sit directly on top of the quite massive for my case rtx 3080. Watercooling is not dead at all

@tiloalo

9 ай бұрын

Sounds like a bunch of excuses... recent air cooler have zero issue with ram clearance, and you don't need to take the hugest block available, plenty are super compact and more than enough for cooling. And that noctua fan can only be quieter on an air setup, compared to the same fan + the water pump. Aio are sexy pieces, but they don't really make sense except for threadripper and extreme build

Amazing information as always, learned so much from your channel. Thank you to you and your team!

"I built it for him, still mine" jay kills me

FINALLY an updated video for this topic. I feels like its only covered well in like 1 or 2 videos on youtube.

I moved to an AIO this year after upgrading to a 5800X from a 3200G. The air cooler (Gammaxx GT) was great on a 4 core chip, but was heat soaked in minutes on the notoriously toasty 5800X. Just a simple 240mm AIO, but even at full loads for long periods I'm only seeing temps hit 80-ish vs. 99 and throttling. Do I have my concerns about the AIO leaking? Sure. But they're usually pretty good these days, so I'll take my chances.

For me it also makes a difference if you’re using a dehumidifier Edit: dust is also a thing so maybe having a dust proof case with hepa filters and regularly cleaning it, I believe it would make a difference. Also an air cleaner and an external cooler near pc would be a nice thing to try.

@eneomaos33

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean? What difference does a dehumidifier make?

@alexbarnwell7732

Жыл бұрын

Humidity changes the thermal conductivity and capacity of air

@iseeu-fp9po

Жыл бұрын

@@alexbarnwell7732 Could you please elaborate on that? The more humid the air the worse thermal conductivity or the other way around?

@mandavaler

Жыл бұрын

Simply having a portable/window ac unit in the bedroom keeps temps low enough to have no worries about ambient temps

@boulx

Жыл бұрын

@@mandavaler not cheap. i live in Cambodia and it s only fans day time

Even though water may be better sometimes, I still love the look of a huge heat sink dominating the view in the window

@1nsurgent

2 жыл бұрын

same, have you seen that Scythe Ninja 5 cpu cooler

@smokeyninja9920

2 жыл бұрын

On the other hand, I love the look of my 1280mm rad sitting next to my case

@sierraecho884

8 ай бұрын

Water is not better. Their working principle is completely the same. What the AIO does best is it transfers the heat through the flexible hose directly to the outside of the case. You can do the same thing with air coolers by installing custom ducts. Ever wonered why AC units always have ducting and out PC´s are just an open space mess ?

I've always been in the air cooling camp due to there being fewer thing to break/go wrong, general convenience, less maintenance, and a good air cooler has pretty decent performance overall considering the prior considerations. Though, water setups almost always look super and I appreciate the effort that goes into putting those loops together. Just have never been into putting together a loop myself. Keep it up Jay!

Funny how the first 20s didn't age well, hahaha. I was reluctant to get AIO but with the 13700K 250+W I jumped the wagon and got a silent loop 2. The refillable part is what sold me.

@ffgrieverpl

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts :D . TDP of 90W seems like a distant past . Couldn't even keep my 13700k from reaching 100c and throttling on a decent air at around 280W. Now it can boost forever even on a minor, +200MHz OC (though ultimately I went for undervolt at stock speeds anyway, which results in around 200W, so air should be able to keep it cool enough).

@user-wo4xz6ri4s

Жыл бұрын

Go to bios and turn off the AIB's auto overwattage settings. It boost 20-30% CPU tdp but gain ~3% performance only. Not worth the heat nor the electricity.

@mandavaler

Жыл бұрын

Alphacools eisbaers quick disconnect tubes are what sold me i can make a full custom loop if i wanted with it but i just added a reservoir so i could so refilling and have an even larger heat sink capacity on a 360mm radiator

@johnnypopstar

Жыл бұрын

@@ffgrieverpl When you say "a decent air", which one specifically? I'm considering a 13700k and was going to pair it with an NH-D15. Been using one on my 5820k and it's handled that fine enough.

@ocm6382

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnypopstar I'm having difficulties cooling my 13900k with a NH-D15. Different cpu, but thought I'd share

I have the old intel AIO for a build I did in 2016. Still running strong.

Jay, Its not the thermal capacity of water vs air, its the thermal capacity of the water vs the metal used in the aircooling heatsink

@aaronthomas6155

2 жыл бұрын

It's not even the thermal capacity of water....since the liquid in an AIO isn't pure water.....

@radioactium

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaronthomas6155 at that point you're being pedantic, you know that when people say water they just mean the fluid inside the loop. And I've heard of people just using distilled water in custom loops so it's not like that's entirely out of the question either.

@hsharma3933

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaronthomas6155 You’re right. It’s not pure water, and the added solutes actually increase the boiling point… that’s how antifreeze works. Might want to read up on boiling point elevation and freezing point depression. It’s chemistry 101

@hsharma3933

2 жыл бұрын

@@radioactium certain solutes in water that are present in the coolant fluids, when maintained in the right balance, actually increase performance vs water.

@xeridea

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaronthomas6155 It isn't all water, but the other solution still has a lot higher thermal capacity than copper or aluminum. Metal has high thermal conductivity, but very little thermal capacity. This is why with water cooling you won't reach max temp for around 30 minutes, it takes a lot of energy to heat water, while with an air cooler, temp will peak quickly, within a minute... and then a little more as case heats up, depending on airflow of case.

I will just stick to air cooling. It's reliable & I can rest my mind with ease.

I have never seen such a crystal clear explanation before! And this is coming from a Tech Savvy Programmer!! You have talent in teaching

In my old rig I got away with a giant passive heat pipe and fin design but since I'm going for a more showpiecy kind of build with the next one I will go for an AIO, although most decent aircooler could handle the 5600X no problem. Also in summer and without air conditioning I get up to 30°C worst case in my appartment (26-27° and 50+% humidity on the regular). Then a water cooler will buy me more time with a cooler CPU and lower fan speeds, so I'm sold on an AIO.

There's one thing that I must disagree with. Air or water cooling will heat up the room by the same amount assuming that your GPU/CPU is running at the same power. Only difference is that your GPU/CPU will reach higher temperature on air because the heat transfer is not as efficient, but the amount of watts to dissipate is the same for air/water once equilibrium is reached.

@dralord1307

2 жыл бұрын

Glad I wasnt only person that noticed that bit of thermal insanity lol

@ivoivanov7407

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! If the CPU draws 50W (that is 50A@1V), the cooler, no mater air or water, will have to transfer 50W of heat into the room. J2C and the New Thermodynamics...

@rikwisselink-bijker

2 жыл бұрын

The point is that on water the CPU/GPU is cooler, making it probably turbo higher (or not throttling), drawing more power, leading to more heat in the room. If you have a fixed power draw for either air or water, then it doesn't matter.

@Astro-ck6mh

2 жыл бұрын

@@rikwisselink-bijker agreed 100%. It's just the way that Jay said it sounded wrong, but he probably meant what you just explained.

what I like most about your videos is your attitude. How you talk, your pragmatic approach to figuring shit out, simple logic and to the point. Carry on Lad!!!

Thank you for this summary. I have only ever used air coolers, passive where possible, and never seriously considered water cooling. You just convinced me to stay with air cooling for the forseeable future. I had never before considered that the distinction between the two strategies had been so blurred by the use of heat pipes. I can no longer consider air cooling truly air cooling, nor water cooling truly water cooling. This being the case, the "air" category has the advantages of not requiring a pump, a totally closed system with no evaporation, and resilience to overheating if the one failure point possible actually fails. Which the user would generally be alerted to by the bios.

always good to hear your clear explanations 👍🏻

Build my first full Custom Loop this year thanks to your videos with my 9900k and some slight overclocks. Keeps it cool and quite. And I can finally close my case thanks to this since the last cooler prevented me from closing it (O11 Dynamic XL). The fans on that noctua-monster prevented me from closing it.

The race to the bottom in the watercooling market makes the high engineered air coolers so enticing.

Thank you so much for this advice, Im building a pc for my cousin who lives in a hot country and need to use a smaller case so I was considering an aircooler however this video has helped me make my decision to use a watercooler.

"with cpu power coming down" that aged poorly

I've tried my hand at AIO water cooling, and had a pump fail in less than a year, I have a PC on air cooling that has been running the same air cooler for over a decade still going strong with just changing the thermal past once a year or so, and giving it a good clean.

@DrSpaceman69

2 жыл бұрын

Yes the longevity of a good air cooler is unmatched

@CommodoreFan64

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrSpaceman69 100%, and I do a fair bit of PC salvage from my local recycle drop off, and 9 times out of 10 unless it's just totally trashed, I can usually save a decent air cooler with just a good cleaning, fan lube/replacement fan if possible/needed, and fresh silver thermal paste.

I'm always gonna be an air cooling guy. Water in the system just always scares the shit out of me.

@weetjewatikwil1

2 жыл бұрын

Noice

@official_commanderhale965

2 жыл бұрын

@@eek8605 to each their own. I could care less on the sound mine makes since I have Studio quality headphones and don't hear any of it.

@eek8605

2 жыл бұрын

Ngl if your pretty sensitive no matter how quiet you put your asetek pump you can hear it, thats why i switched back to air cooling as fans can go quieter than a pump

@eek8605

2 жыл бұрын

@@official_commanderhale965 fair enough i mean when you chilling without headphones thats where it triggers me lmao

@dr.brennstab2201

2 жыл бұрын

@@eek8605 That's the exact same experience I have and I had a custom watercooling.

Let's be real, people get aio's cause they look better

5900X here with PBO on, with a Dark Rock Pro 4. Idle, it stays at around 30-33C. 50% CPU load, it goes up to 53C. When super heavy on the CPU (95-100%), I've seen it go up to 70C, nothing more than that. Super happy with the DRP4!!

@james3429

Жыл бұрын

I got a Dark Rock Pro 4 for my i9 9900kf. I haven't really done much testing. Seems to do okay though.

Even with an AIO it's just so much more aesthetically pleasing to look at a water cooled system.

@sunohonmy4024

2 жыл бұрын

not all the time, some times i wud rather have a pure black air cooler

@patricktho6546

2 жыл бұрын

depends

@martinw245

2 жыл бұрын

Purely subjective. I prefer the look of my D15S with Chromax black fans and black heat sink covers.

@dmannthey

2 жыл бұрын

It is purely subjective, and it's not everyone's preference. Just mine.

Ryzen 3900x; Noctua D-15, Highest temps are 60-64 (rendering). Enviroment temp: 27-32 C

@Jasontyo

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 3900x with a Hyper 212 RGB Black Push/Pull, its fine. 50's-60's

@k4rim865

2 жыл бұрын

Thats my idle temp. Damn. Is my chip damaged or something?

@andreidavid145

2 жыл бұрын

Ryzen 5 3600; Noctua D-15S, Core P3 (Open air case). Awesome thermals.

@yomom6567

2 жыл бұрын

@@k4rim865 silicon lottery probably

@andreidavid145

2 жыл бұрын

@Swifty9748 D-15 is an awesome choice. Just double check that it will fit

Always appreciate great contents to learn. Good point made in considering the temperature in the surrounding environment when applying air coolers; not many think of it and jump into Noctua. After watching few of your vids, I'm getting an AIO watercooler for higher core CPU. Got more confidence in maintaining it. And no more fears of malfunction. As it seems easy to maintain than a car. Cooler Master H 212 can finally rest in peace. Thanks.

@mikem9536

Жыл бұрын

If you go AIO don't get anything under 280mm, otherwise an air cooler and a couple of air ducts is better.

@JR-zw2vb

Жыл бұрын

​@@mikem9536 So true! And never thought of air ducts! lol. BTW, by now I got a few AIOs, but learned the lesson that if you go OVER 360, then you need to upgrade the case to match the size as well. Darn!

@NoBuddy89

11 ай бұрын

Noctua and a proper airflow situation outperforms alot of AIO configs in my experience :P Only had a few builds where AIO was noticeably ahead, but not by enough to make me sold on it. Customer wanted it tho, so they got it. But for my personal builds and my recommendations, AIOs are never in there, then again, I dont even recommend OC :P

Fascinating and helpful, thanks.

"Power requirements of CPU sorta coming down over time" GPU: * nervously sweats in 300W *

@joer8854

2 жыл бұрын

"Smiles happily at 1000w psu" ;)

@Fishingishard

2 жыл бұрын

300? light weight. I'm at 360w /cries

@lacucaracha111111

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fishingishard Was just a healthy guess

@S8ER

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen my GPU at 480w 😭

@THEpicND

2 жыл бұрын

Power requirements of cpu sorta coming down over time Intel: laughs in 14nm +++++++++

I've built a custom loop this year. Really love how quiet my PC runs now. What I don't like about air cooling is, that the fans are ramping up pretty fast when entering a game or starting heave load. The water cooling chills until it reaches about 35°C water temp. The only downside (besides the price) is that my RX6900XT has pretty load coil wine, which is very noticeably now :D

@meepmeep8875

2 жыл бұрын

Have ya looked at the EK Liquid Devil variant to add it to your loop? I'm planning on doing my first custom loop and goin ham with it

@yae_123

2 жыл бұрын

Uses a noctua cooler. To this day, I have not noticed any major noise issues when gaming.

@ZombieRommel

2 жыл бұрын

I have quiet noctua fans myself but I never really understood noise complaints. I game with closed back headphones (DT 770 Pros) which are very noise isolating, and I wouldn't be able to hear a burglar smashing my windows with them on when game audio is blaring, much less a cpu fan ramping up. I highly suspect people who complain about fan noise are gaming on a speaker setup or are using open back headphones.

@whatjake7898

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZombieRommel Thank you! When gamers bring up this argument I always say there is no way they even hear a swat team breaking in let alone a fan in a PC. Plus they have fans on the radiators that are doing the same thing. It’s a terrible argument.

@Magnulus76

Жыл бұрын

CPU fans are why, back in the day, you didn't place a gaming PC at ear level to show off to your friends or be a fashion statement. Once you put your PC under a desk, you don't really notice the noise any more than you would a console.

I just took apart my EK custom loop and going back to air cooling with a Noctua D15... I have like zero time to be pulling the loop apart once a year now I'm a dad. So in the spare 30 minutes a month I get to play games, I just want something reliable that can sit there for years and not need my attention.

I'm all for air cooling. I don't play games on my PC and I hadn't done an upgrade in 12 years so I'm not that familiar with water cooling. but you had me thinking with that ambient temp speech, it easily gets into high 40's Celsius (115-124 F) in the summer here and we use evaporative AC, so inside temps are still above 90 F at noon, maybe I'll go for a proper AIO if I see temps go up. thanks for the info.

Air cooling for all the pc's I have ever built. Simple and easy to maintain.

@betraid

2 жыл бұрын

What maintance do you have for water cooling?? None. 9 fucking years on service don't even changed thermal paste and my cpu is 60-65ºC under heavy load. there is nothing to compare whatever you use anything could fail vent or pump whatever, anyway u have to buy new one if it fails, and since they ain't expensive no one gives a fuck if it fails :D for less than 100$ u can buy both options. i stay with water cuz i spend almost all my time at pc, so i hate the noice from vents and try to minimize it.

@RicochetForce

2 жыл бұрын

@@betraid Air-cooling is the most reliable form of cooling for a computer. By its very nature it has few points of failure, and those points of failure are incredibly cheap and easy to resolve. For peace of mind, affordability, and reliability air-cooling has no equal.

What happened to the engine block custom build I was really looking forward to seeing you guys finish that build

@pauld4238

2 жыл бұрын

It had a non-factory tune on it and wouldn’t pass inspection in California now, so they shelved it.

@Wanted_Tiger

2 жыл бұрын

@@pauld4238bruh.....

@deadly_mir

2 жыл бұрын

It most likely got put on hold, builds like that take a bit of time and a decent amount of effort and planning. He said he wanted to or might If I recall, so he didnt guarantee he'd do it. If he is doing it just give him a while, the market situation and youtube tech vid algorithm is all over the place and is difficult to plan around currently. Basically he just wants to make content we all enjoy and that they enjoy making! So for now just think of it as being on hold for a bit unless he updates on it!

@Wanted_Tiger

2 жыл бұрын

@@deadly_mir yep i'm with ya on that point , just hope it does not end up like Red Dead Redemption build did.

@walterday8933

2 жыл бұрын

@@pauld4238 - Damned C.A.R.B. and their standards!

One of the pros of AIOs: you have the zone of the MB more clean to work, you can use RAM with higher and better heatsinks, great video bro

I use an aio at the front, with a silent grow-tent fan hooked up with a little insulated ducting. I could remove all the fans, but like their rgb effect to show case temperature. The grow tent fan also has a magnetic display that I can manually adjust speeds even though there's a detector inside to change speeds. Don't have room for top exhaust, and this made for a perfect air through-put.

I use a custom loop, but with an old CPU block (XSPC Raystorm) that I haven't bothered upgrading in many years because I like the way it looks. It's cooling my 10700K well enough that I haven't paid attention to the temperature at all to know what it's running at. More interesting, at least to me, is the EK full cover block that I just picked up on a clearance sale for my GTX 1070. I figured if I can't get a new graphics card, I could at least keep the clock speed as high as possible on the one that I have. That GPU now runs at ~35-38C under full load. Air conditioning keeps my living room in the low 20s range, so a rise of 10 to 15 degrees is just awesome. I have a temperature sensor installed in the endtank of one of the radiators, and I use the reading from that as the input source to control my fan speed so it ramps up and down evenly even if the CPU or GPU is not under load while the other one is.

@EverythingisFire

2 жыл бұрын

Damn. That's some great temp performance on your GPU. I have (am stuck) with a 1070 also. It's an Asus blower style that sits at 65-70c.

My girlfriend and I don't have heating in the house. In the winter, we use our gaming PC's to heat the room and it works really well. (2 AIO water-cooled desktop computers)

@tsjeriAu

2 жыл бұрын

I also use my computer as a space heater during winter time, unless it drops to like -10C, I can avoid using the actual space heater especially during the night. Uses less power than the space heater, too.

@YOEL_44

2 жыл бұрын

My room at summer becomes a multimedia sauna system, a first gen Cryorig H7 for cooling a Ryzen 3600, just about enough

Thanks so much for the video Jay

Jay pronouncing niche (neesh) like nitch as in lilo and stitch got me rollin'

We need more AIO cooled GPUs. Thats where the real wattage is.

@stealin2192

2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see Corsair or anyone make an aio for every 30/6000 series

@TheKansasDude

2 жыл бұрын

My 6 year old EVGA 980 Ti Hybrid, runs at about 245 watts through a 120mm AIO. It puts out some serious heat lol. GPU temps under load are about 50-55c. It has been a trooper

@sebastianmorales2753

2 жыл бұрын

My 6900xt asus lc is greatttt

@TheKansasDude

2 жыл бұрын

@@sebastianmorales2753 Does it crank out some god awful heat like mine does? lol The air coming out of my overclocked i7 8700k on a 360mm aio is hardly warm under full load.. Atleast compared to the air coming out of my GPU radiator.

@sebastianmorales2753

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheKansasDude I have two aios on my pc one of them is a 360 and the gpu is a 240 mm. And let me tell you dude, it's a mf heatbox

They both have worked well for me. But now that I have a new system that I actually get to see the components I go with water cooling. AIO lian li, with a lian li case. Use it in my median room/gaming room. The noise level is much much better and the looks are so much superior to air.

@synergystar4049

2 жыл бұрын

what are the specs of your pc and what temp is your cpu in the summer?

@Spartan-sz7km

2 жыл бұрын

Ayy I have the same thing, lian li mesh 2 black case with a lian li white AIO, ram is white, my gpu is also white

I used a Corsair H100i aio for about 6-7 years. First on a amd FX-8350 then on a r5 3600. Pump started making weird noises about a year ago, so I switched to a Noctua NH-U14S air cooler. Currently I'm using the same cooler on a r9 5900x. Idle 35c, full load 70-75c. I'm really happy with the cooler, but I do prefer the look of an aio cooler.

Hey Jay, I've been a long time viewer. I recently got into water cooling cause Micro Center happened to have a 3080 ftw 3 in a barbones PC that had watercooling parts in it only for the CPU. A year later, I have a 3090 ftw 3 ultra I've been eager to add to my loop, my worry is taking it apart which I've watched plenty videos and the fact that I like to upgrade a lot and I notice that the watercooling market is niche and it's hard to sell blocks for a card. Do you think being able to sell my waterblock should hold me back from water cooling and is it worth it? I also only have 1 360mm standard thickness radiator cooling a 10900k. Thanks.

@theftking

Жыл бұрын

If you're the type who buys a 3090 FTW3 Ultra, then do you _really_ care that much about reclaiming a bit of money by reselling your water blocks? Come on. If you were really that concerned about value and the efficiency of your setup... I really can't imagine you buying a 3090.

I’ve always liked the way that the giant air cooling towers look, especially that double tower. It’s an entire cube of heatsink! That being said, I can’t fit one of those in my case, it’s a cooler master elite 110. Maybe I just have a thing for cubes..

@Theres_No_PlanetB

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Dang some cases can't fit larger air coolers

@iyeetsecurity922

2 жыл бұрын

There's always ice _cubes_ then. Just put em in a ziploc and your rig'll be good and chilly.

@Kryptic1046

2 жыл бұрын

You dastardly cubist.

@MidinVal

2 жыл бұрын

Looks like a giant electric transformer station LOL

@JustIn-sr1xe

2 жыл бұрын

I have that same case. I modified the height of the psu bracket to closer to the lid. and made some cuts to add in a 3 slot gpu...

I’m sucker for fans and a good ole heatsink what can I say

@skeetlejuice522

2 жыл бұрын

Why did you even bother saying it?

@crisnmaryfam7344

2 жыл бұрын

Me too, I just prefer mine to perform a bit better and have water moving through it lol.

@Fate_GO

2 жыл бұрын

*badumm tsss!*

The good old devils canyon 4790k. I will always have fond memories of that CPU. I had just got back in the game and was going to do a 4770k build when Devil’s canyon released. I got lucky with a chip that was solid as a rock at 4.8 GHz all cores. Probably could’ve pushed it further but I was plenty happy with that. That system with a GTX 980 and later a GTX 1080 was a beast. I got back in at a perfect time with devils canyon and Maxwell releasing right in that time frame.

@sierraecho884

8 ай бұрын

I too used the i7 4770K with 2400Mhz RAM, great times. Just my GPU was a GTX 770

Awesome info. Thanks man!

I only put an AIO because my air-cooler was blocking one of my ram slots.

@StopaskingformynameYouTube

2 жыл бұрын

I had the same conundrum when i was putting together my system, i ended up using LPX ram from corsair instead as i've had 3 water cooling loops fail on me, one EK radiator started leaking from the fin stack while i was gaming, killed the entire system. and two AiO coolers just had failed pumps after months of use. I will use aircoolers for the rest of my life just because it's safe and easy.

@weetjewatikwil1

2 жыл бұрын

Noice

@martinw245

2 жыл бұрын

ericio22 An NH-D15 S, the high compatibility version may have helped you. Its offset and only has one fan. The extra fan only makes a mere two degrees difference to cooling. Most people don't realise that the second fan on a big air cooler does very little and can be dispensed with for hardly any increase in temp. The velocity of the air passing through the heat sink is the same, its just a slight increase in static pressure with a second fan. Tall heat sinks on RAM are a gimmick too, they do very little. I use GSkill Ripjaws with my D15S.

@diegoperez6687

2 жыл бұрын

@@martinw245 NH-D15s with gskill trident z neo with no problems in clearance. My 5800x is nice and cold while also being super quiet.

@StevenNassibian

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Bought a Hyper 212 RGB Black edition but it blocks the 1st slot when using tall ram. Moving the fan to the other side (pull config) but temps were similar to the stock cooler. Now with standard push config, full load is 60C, Idle 42C (19C ambient). Just bought a 280mm AIO so I can use all my shiny new Corsair Vengeance Pro ram.

Air cooling for consistency and reliability. AIO for aesthetically. Custom water loop for.. big D energy.

@thedeegee1601

2 жыл бұрын

My Noctua NH-D15 Chromax with White Covers want's to have a talk.

@TravisFabel

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedeegee1601 they can talk with the 11 140mm noctura fans that cool my loop silently.

@demigo1031

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t get me wrong guys. The Noctua NH-D15 Chromax/Noctua fans hands down one of the best air cooler/fans for consistency, reliability and aesthetically.

Very late to the party, but I decided to go with an AIO for the aesthetics. The area around the CPU becomes pretty lean and I actually get a good luck at the entire motherboard, which is loads better to look at then a cumbersome aircooler, plus I don't have to worry about clearance. I am not running particularly heavy loads, but I want my PC to look a bit nicer overall.

@thechemtrailkid

Жыл бұрын

Ha, I'm the exact opposite. I love the looks of a big air cooler, especially the blacked out NH D15; I think I like how it makes the case look fuller. Between decent AIO and air coolers though it's basically all preference save for clearance issues.

@Chopper153

Жыл бұрын

@@thechemtrailkid Not for modern power hungry CPUs. I had to buy an AIO for my 13600k because the huge NHD15 won't fit in my case and perform worse than an AIO.

@ishraqmirza2724

Жыл бұрын

@@Chopper153 my 7700x works fine on a d15s, without pbo…

@mikem9536

Жыл бұрын

@@Chopper153 It won't perform worse than an AIO if installed correctly.

@nuri2118

Жыл бұрын

@@Chopper153 Than you fcked something up. Cooling with my Noctua D-15 for years and never let me down. Always had problems with the aio softwares and i will never go back to water cooling again.

One of the biggest reasons I am waiting to start my build project is because getting a good aircooling system or AIO is much more expensive then air cooling, I live somewhere where I can easly get to 35-40°C in a humid enviroment. I'd rather wait and save up an other €300-400 so I can make sure my CPU is always nice and cool being able to have a fully watercooled system, or an AIO and adding good air ventilation to keep the GPU and the motherboard cool as well

I've always gone air cooling. Firstly because any water in my system scares the crap out of me, secondly because I actually think a chunky air cooler looks good, provided you've got a big enough case.

I ran an nhd-14 for years. It was fantastic. But for my latest build I went with an all in one just because they are easier to install. Leaves the inside mostly open for airflow as well.

@Danjon1235

2 жыл бұрын

Same, want to keep the insides of the pc "open", just looks cleaner

i use the nh-d15 on my 8700k, yes it's now becoming a dated cpu, but still works well. and i have NEVER had heat spikes. i remember a video you did comparing aios and air coolers, and you were rather surprised the d15 could keep up with an aio. i think at this point, it's more about aesthetics. lots of d15 sized coolers are coming out, and are extremely efficient at keeping low temps. so i am betting now it's more about the bling in a persons pc. tho i do agree it's all up to personal preference. that being said, i have zero risk of internal components being damaged by liquid, and i have read many horror stories about aios.

@emmanuelencarnacion8219

2 жыл бұрын

Have the same cpu, my nzxt aio took a shit on me tonight, going air cooling this time.

@demonpride1975

2 жыл бұрын

@@emmanuelencarnacion8219 i would never tell someone don't use aios, because i think they are good at removing heat. the problem being is you could have an issue, spring a leak whatever, and there is the problem for me. video cards right now are to fucking expensive to be taking that kind of risk.

Really informative, thanks man.

I like custom watercooling, for the aesthetics, temps, quietness. The costs and maintenance are annoying though. I like coming up with new ideas for my loop and implementing them though.

@travisdonotsuscribegototjs9323

2 жыл бұрын

Right, i have a solid panel BeQuite Case so ended up doing barbed fittings with braided Tubing to prevent a line collapsing

@mrtoasticles7144

2 жыл бұрын

What maintenance are there for aio ?

@colinjava8447

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrtoasticles7144 nothing really, just cleaning dust out of fans

@mrtoasticles7144

2 жыл бұрын

@@colinjava8447 idk im scared of aios cuz i heard they can leak but they look so goo. I want a cooler master 240 one.

@colinjava8447

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrtoasticles7144 it's possible but it's pretty unlikely. I wouldn't be put off by it personally if I was getting an AIO, unless it was some very cheap brand/model.

but consider this: there's a lot more RGB on an AIO or custom loop

@Cosmstack

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, aside from a potential display on the waterblock, with aircooling you can still get just as much. Just put RGB fans on the cooler and in your case

@kjorndogg3244

2 жыл бұрын

I'm just waiting for the day where RGB heat pipes are a thing. Lets be honest it's just inevitable.

@kaziwill

2 жыл бұрын

RGB is trash...

@lucascain8180

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cosmstack but u cant have rgb pump res block and fittings on a heatsink

@play_mo_games

2 жыл бұрын

More rgb = better performance

Nothing wrong with water cooling if that's what someone's into. I've never found a need, air coolers work fantastic but then I've always used the larger towers. At least once they became popular after the days of the zalman flower type coolers. Never had issues cooling, no leaks, I actually like the looks. They're extremely quiet. If anything it helps the airflow in the case and I've never had trouble with one being vented out the rear of the case. Custom loops are about the only worthwhile venture imo, but those get complex and expensive. And of course something like a dual loop with the gpu as well as overrad for quieter operation. Most aio's are still more expensive than a quality air cooler. A few are getting competitive or cheaper, likely because the cheaper air coolers were matching or beating them. I just don't envy the headache of cleaning a custom loop, the maintenance etc. Or having to worry about leaks. If a fan on an air cooler dies the cpu just throttles and there's an alert. No sadness of a leak killing half the components.

I had been always pro air cooling which is a low maintenance option. I bought Noctua hoping it would be sufficient but found it to be lacking in actual usage with constant high CPU load, for example, AAA gaming. Best air cooler, such as Noctua may match water for a short lived test but the cooling performance start to drop with constant load. As you mentioned, water has bigger capacity to absorb heat and even the best air cooler would not match it. The same goes for engines. The best air cooled engine would not be able to match water cooled engine. Still, I blew up my PC twice for not cleaning dust build up and I certainly won't be able to maintain water cooling.

@SnowWolf9999

Жыл бұрын

There is a reason Porsche went water cooled, they finally hit the maximum performance they could push via air cooling w/o warping their engines.

@zealinbarden3942

8 ай бұрын

​@@SnowWolf9999I thought they stopped air cooled engines because of emissions regulations

@sierraecho884

8 ай бұрын

Sorry but this point is wrong. The problem with an engine is it would overheat if it stands still so no fresh air can cool it down you had the same problem, you need to evacuate the hot air from the inside of the case and this is done by using air ducts. The problem is not the air cooler ( their working principle is the same) The problem is the AIO radiator sits flush to the case and pumps the hot air out or cool air in white the air cooler sits inside the case and pumps the hot air inside the case.

Definitely still need water cooling for GPU's makes such a huge difference! Even just putting an AIO on a GPU makes a world of difference and is totally worth it.

@Midknight0122

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikeycrackson The stress on the socket would be crazy without built-in supports, would be interesting to see it done by a manufacturer though.

@CommodoreFan64

2 жыл бұрын

@@Midknight0122 We really need to see more PC case makers start making square cases where the motherboard is mounted horizontal, and with a basement for the PSU, so the motherboard can have the add on cards standing vertical like the old days, so there is less stress on the motherboard's card slots with how heavy some GPUs have gotten, and I really think that would solve a lot of issues

@cafu6313

2 жыл бұрын

I have NZXT G12(Noctua NF-A9pwm) + NZXT Kraken X52 mounted on my EVGA SCII 1080ti. 2000Mhz @1V, playing at 1440p highest temps are around 60-63c in summer days

@infantryrecon101st

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikeycrackson True would just be tricky to fit into a case.

@infantryrecon101st

2 жыл бұрын

@@cafu6313 Right on! I got the same setup going with my 2080TI. 23C idle and 40C while playing 1440p. GPU core overclocked plus 90 and memory plus 200. Running around 2100Mhz right now but have not tried to go higher yet.

All perfect and useful. There is a thing though: I would add the difference with building a custom loop. I did have an aio, but as you said the main heat generator is not the CPU, but the GPU with almost 350w on the 3080. So I removed the aio and installed a custom loop. The GPU of course thanked me heavily, it changed the GPU like night and day. The CPU also has improved to be honest compared to the aio, despite the aio being a corsair with dual 140mm fans.. I suspect it is because the water flow is much higher and that increases the efficiency of the heat exchange of the plate on the cpu itself. Having tried them all, I see little improvement using an aio l, but massive benefits with a custom loop, for the gpu mainly

@Opt1685

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! My GPU used to be air cooled. Ran hot and sounded like a jet during games. Switched to water, the temps literally dropped 20 degrees and is now silent. IMO it's a much better investment to water cool the GPU.

@TravisFabel

2 жыл бұрын

AIOs may eventually die out in popularity because they're generally not much better than good air coolers. But a real custom loop, can make a huge difference.

@blagmate5516

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the simplicity of an AIO. I recently transferred my main rig to a Corsair 4000D Airflow case from a Corsair 220T case. I installed a Corsair three fan AIO. The cooling difference shocked me, if I may be frank. I haven't checked how as yet, but I would like to AIO cool my GPU with a two fan AIO in the case top.

@ionutdanielserban9498

2 жыл бұрын

GPUs are very easy too cool on air if done properly. Heat density and transfer is a very, if not the most important factor in water cooling vs aircooling, and srry to say this but JAY here get soo much wrong, as it's expected from a custom water cooling guy. Even tho water have much higher thermal capacity, it also has a lot worst heat transfer than raw metal, or a vapor chamber, which means air coolers let the heat go, much easier and faster. So in the end, you have a top air cooler performing almost equally with a good 280/360 at same noise ratio, when transfer is good and heat concentration is not that high. Say a 5950x running at 200w. That being said a loop will always keep the heat more evenly spread throughout the loop, which means it will always have a lower temperature on the coldplate, and it will always be more beneficial for low TDP and high density CPUs with bad thermal transfer. A 3080 might consume a lot of power, but it has direct contact and a very large die. A 5800x, packs a lot more power and thus heat in a lot less space, not to mention the IHS, despite consuming a third of a 3080. A good 3080 like a tuf or msi x trio, that has a good stock radiator it's only bottlenecked by the shitty fans it comes with and case airflow, especially now with the fashion of having a PSU shroud in a 40-45L case. Now take that GPU, remove its plastic shroud and slap 2x120x25 fans on it, and chose and optimize the case the best you can in the PSU shroud area (perforated shroud, hdd drive cage removed, solid removable bits of the shroud removed, excess cabling tucked behind the motherboard etc.) Run mesh case like that with its fans at 700-800rpm under load. That GPU with the fans around 800-1000rpm will sit in the mid-high 50s to low 60s. ON AIR and at a 350w load with a $30 mod.

@Alex82pd

2 жыл бұрын

@@ionutdanielserban9498 well, the 3080 founder I have had the fans ramping up to max, cooling below 70c, then temperature was left going above 70 and fans were ramping up again. I made all the changes in the case I could, increasing the air flow from the front, exhausting top and back, installed temp sensors... The condition was stabilized with noise from the fans and the temp on its 70c setpoint eventually. With the custom loop the gpu now doesn't go above 50/55c top, fans of the radiator reach just above half of their speed and the control is smooth due to the thermal mass of the water, and it holds clock at 1980. The PC is silent as it has never been before. It is a bit expensive, but my thinking here for the video is that while I see little effect to have an aio instead of air cooling just for the cpu, the custom loop extremely benefit my gpu, and also has improved the cpu due to higher water flow compared to the aio. Maybe some custom 3080s have better cooling, but with the case having to dissipate320w of gpu and 130w of cpu, fans and all will make some noise inevitably, and agree the case would need to be large. I am just using 2x 240mm radiators in my setup...

I'm super happy about my H110I AIO i bought i think 5 years ago now, still working with no issue, but my next PC i'm totally looking into going with custom water cooling, Not so much that I feel i "have" to, but i "want" to, as a project and having that experience. And it'll be nice to know i will have plenty of cooling and best of the best. But time will tell if i find it worth it and i continue to do this in future bills, but i'm at least going to do a custom loop once just to do it. I been doing a ton of research and watching all your videos on it and feeling pretty confident about my abilities to do so. I also live in Florida where it's super hot most of year (middle of state) and yea water cooling seems to be a good idea if i think it's worth the price and extra work.

I like the "engine" look that an air cooler has, I'd like to use that on a build someday, a completely RGBless build. It's just that it's kinda hard to decide which one will be enough.

@sierraecho884

8 ай бұрын

It´s not so hard. You need to know how much power your CPU draws under load. Example R5 3600X 90W, now look at the air cooler, for example be quiet double stacked have about 150W now you know you are good to go.

Water, custom loop. I didn’t see him mention the benefits of being able to cool your graphics card as well.

@gl4989

2 жыл бұрын

You can get better temps with a gpu air cooler like the accelero xtreme series

@daniellindegren1182

2 жыл бұрын

@@gl4989 we just watched a whole video of him explaining water is more efficient than air. How does this differ for a graphics card?

@okpen1234

2 жыл бұрын

The only reason I started all my water-cooling is because I wanted to get a silent GPU

@darwinwallace77

2 жыл бұрын

@@okpen1234 Me too

@corruptedpoison1

2 жыл бұрын

He was talking about AIOs not custom loops.

I can not thank Jay enough he really got me into PC building and I have now successfully custom watercooled my own system and I am now able to do it for others. I run a ryzen 7 3700X with a rx 6800XT, (I know, Bottleneck). My temps are around 120-130F for the CPU when playing games and around 100F on the GPU.

@sierraecho884

8 ай бұрын

How do you cool the GPU ? The GPU will create a lot more heat than the CPU.

Even after 2 years for my CPU I use an AIO. New AM5 built in Phantek Ethoo Pro 2, CPU AMD 7800X3D running @ 5127 Mhz idle temp 27C under load 57C using LianLi Galahad 240 AIO at 100% as exhaust at the top. 7 Arctic P14 140mm fans, 3 on the front, 4 Arctic 120mm fans front on the side, and 3 on the bottom, and another as exhaust in the back. GPU is XFX 6900 XT 16 GB never runs more than 62C max, and 4 WD 750 Black M.2 nvme gen 4 drives and 3 WD Black Gaming HHDs. Mobo is MSI X670-P PRO WiFi AMD. Using my old PSU Rosewill LIGHTNING-1300 which I had for over 12 years now and it's still kicking. My environment temps are around 30C to 20C depending on if it's cool outside or hot and if I have AC running or not. When it's cold out it probably around 15C to 30C if we don't have heat or if it is on.

I use 420mm radiator with 4 noctua fans and dual d5 pumps to cool my dual eypc 7742. My temp at idle is around 45C and at maximum load is about 55C. This setup is so quiet since the fan speed is always at idle, but my room got hot real quick, you can feel the heat

@sierraecho884

8 ай бұрын

What are you doing with this kind of CPU ? Your usecase is not a regular gamer use case.

With the rise of 3D printing, I'm surprised we haven't seen lots of people making custom air ducts/guides to control exactly where the air goes inside the case. I don't think it'd have to be at the level of the Power Mac G5's ducting to be beneficial. Simple prints could help with getting cool air to the CPU cooler (like how Intel tried to popularize ducted side intakes many years ago) and getting its hot air directly out of the case. It could also help with, e.g., VRM cooling when the CPU has a waterblock and therefore no fan-just put a small and slow fan nearby with a custom duct over the VRM area. And if you want three intake fans on the front and three exhaust fans on top (in a "normal" tower case), you could print a baffle to go diagonally down from the top front of the case toward the middle, to prevent the air from the top intake fan being immediately extracted by the front exhaust fan.

@kbjis

Жыл бұрын

3d printing is actually expensive AF.

@deathfromace

Жыл бұрын

@@kbjis Is still is? I figured it all went down in price massively by now

@fynn8252

Жыл бұрын

@@deathfromace It's not super expensive to start but if you want to get all crazy with custom air ducts, you would need a lot of CAD experience.

@fenrir7969

Жыл бұрын

@@kbjis Not really. An Ender 3 and a brain is all you need to get started.

@charljefa

Жыл бұрын

PLA 3D printing wouldn't be 100% waterproof - PLA is the most common 3D printing by far nowdays SLA could potentially be if done properly

Noctua NH-D15 with dual fans (with one fan offset to clear the ram)

@EriIaz

2 жыл бұрын

Cooling what? And what’s the environment?

I switched from a Dark Rock Pro to a ID-Cooling 360 auraflow. It dropped my load temps about 5 to 10 degrees, and with overclocked fans never really goes above about 70 while rendering video or above 62 while gaming. I'm kinda sold on the AIO after the switch. FOr the same reasons, it looks great, noise is low, and it keeps it cooler (if you get a larger one). Thank You for the review of the ID-Cooling pink AIO. It was helpful. CPU: i7 6900K overclocked

I like the good year 3R tires behind you

“The most you’ll experience is 80-85 degrees F” Washington State: *Laughs in heat wave*

@MikMoen

2 жыл бұрын

Not even that, these last couple years during "normal" Summer days it can get into the 90s.

@brettpeckinpaugh

2 жыл бұрын

I shut my PC down here in the Seattle area during that heat wave. And for the record, the humidity here in the PNW is not that high. Currently 40% at the moment which is pretty low. I even use evaporative coolers during the summer with great impact on the heat.

@Goodluckbuddy1408

2 жыл бұрын

@@brettpeckinpaugh I’m 30mins away from Seattle and during that heat wave I had to get a hotel lol. Our apartment complexes along with 70% of Washington don’t have ac.

@ycar80

2 жыл бұрын

@@MikMoen *Western Washington. In most of Eastern Washington hitting 100 during the summer is pretty normal.

@cementhead75

2 жыл бұрын

It was a pretty cruel joke that the heat wave hit the same week as the big steam sale. I think my pc was on for maybe an hour total that week.

I'm to old for the water stuff here... I was rised with the mantra: don't mix fluids and electricity :)

@shadoudirges

2 жыл бұрын

...Yet you still drive a car with an electric fuel pump?

Moving over to my first ever water cooling setup with a 240mm AIO on my upcoming new rig for two reasons: Firstly it's going to wind up cheaper, I've stuck with air cooling until now and the Noctua NH-D15 was the obvious choice to cool the beefy CPU I'm grabbing. But that's a £110 air cooler. For a marginally lower price I can pick up a Corsair H100x, which will do a better job cooling my CPU *and* serve as two 120mm exhaust fans, saving me money there. Secondly I've long had a pet peeve with the sheer size of a dual tower CPU heat sink, it makes accessing anything nearby it on the motherboard a huge PITA. Being able to have a tiny little pump on the CPU and shift the big heat sink elsewhere is a very attractive prospect to me.

still Air cooling with Hyper 212 Evo just upgraded the fan from 120mm to 140mm and saw a temp drop and Once a year maintenance of blowing out the dust. ; )

Of course I didn't 'need' a 360mm AIO, but it looks cool and that's all that matters.

@WyFoster

2 жыл бұрын

If you have an 11900k you do! 🔥

@spursylad1994

2 жыл бұрын

Finally someone that gets me

@exceldoyadika

2 жыл бұрын

@@WyFoster heck even my 10700k reach 72 on load @5.1 all core... im using 240+360 rad.. this 10 and 11th gen are seriously toasty boy when oc..my room ambient temp is quite high tho, usually around 25c.

@WyFoster

2 жыл бұрын

@@exceldoyadika hitting high 60s low 70s with the H150i with my 11900k at 5.0. 1.37v 230watt power draw. No wonder it's toasty.

Jay needs one of those IceGiant Thermosiphons to review!

@maxmustsleep

2 жыл бұрын

i've seen reviews and apparently its pretty shit. unless you put a lot of fans on it at 100% the one linus reviewed was a prototype but for the final release they reduced the size (for cost reasons) but its just not effective enough, especially at the price. I've honestly considered buying one really damn hard but its just not a great product :/

@axtran

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxmustsleep I have one. It let me down since the thinner design is operating as you mentioned (however it is the closest you can get to cooling anything decently with Zen2 in the air camp, in my opinion.

I don't bother with either water or air cooling, just have my system placed inside an old refrigerator in my garage, that way I can also reach my beer faster and easily. 😎

For my needs, I’ve been perfectly fine with air cooling. My current setup has more than enough room to utilize even the biggest air coolers. However, I am in the market to downsize. Unfortunately, there’s not many cases that fit full atx mobo/psu and keep it small. Lian li o11 mini air is the closest, but still big imo. So aside from making my own custom case (have the ability, not the time), I’ll probably have to downsize both mobo/psu to get what I’m looking for - including a move to water cooling. Was personally staying away from aio for their minimal lifespan, but if they have a fill port - that’s a game changer.

@allanmcelroy9840

Жыл бұрын

I'm still trying to see if I can keep for original 14inch high, 7.5 wide and 16.25 long tower case from 2008