The Alien Gear that was shown in this video is the 2nd gen holster. The V3 has raised the trigger guard to prevent skinny fingers to invade the narrow space.

@rdrgear

Ай бұрын

I noticed that the week after we filmed this I saw that they had addressed the gap issue. Good on them. That’s not a cheap retooling of the mold.

@THEJake829

Ай бұрын

It also has the ability to accept that Axon sensor like the vault can.

The axom will really interfere with my ability to practice my draw in the bathroom

@SteelCityIceBirds

Ай бұрын

There’s a way to sleep mode it.

@rdrgear

Ай бұрын

Truth

Aliengear does offer the rapidforce varient with a spot specifically for the axom too btw

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The alien gear is superior in almost every way. the adjustability right out of the bag is awesome, they are much faster to draw, have less issues with guns being able to be drawn without breaking retention. There are multiple different drop height options, the belt slides are tight so it doesn't flop around like the safariland will, and the safariland adapter works fine. I have quite a bit of time on both and the safariland has gone in the trash where it belongs

@rdrgear

Ай бұрын

Not sure the rapid force is quite as dominate as you make it sound. The 6000 series is still the gold standard across the globe. It’s just nice for people to have options.

@HoodRatDiesel

Ай бұрын

@@rdrgear only because it's been around for a decade.

The Safarivault needs the SLS bail to help clear the hood out of the way while drawing

I love my alian gear also it fits full size and compact lights

I love the 7000 for sig and older smiths and the 6000 for Glock and new smiths to me they are still the gold standard.

The Vault was released in the small light configuration specifically to reduce the size of the opening that would allow object to activate the trigger while holstered. They needed to catch up to Rapid Force who worked with Sig directly to produce a version of their holster that does the same thing. (slightly different from the one you have) (these were both responses to the "my 320 spontaneously fired" incidents) The Blackhawk T series has them both beat in that area when dealing with full size lights. We tested the crap out of the Rapid Force holster, the Safariland holster and the T Series. The Rapid Force won hands down. They are extremely durable and easy to use. The deciding factor was their defensability. When defending a holstered gun from a gun grab, it takes very little effort to keep pressure on the hood assembly of the Rapid Force, preventing the gun from being taken. Both the Safariland and the Blackhawk were much more difficult to defend. The hanger for the Rapid Force is designed to be unscrewed, positioned and clamped in place. It prevents the movement that can be experienced with hangers that just thread in place. The holsters designed for small lights were of questionable value for duty use until recently. The TLR7 doesn't have enough punch for duty use. The new TLR7 HL-X and the Foxrot2R have addressed that problem by offering respectable output and sufficient candella for duty.

@plb2455

Ай бұрын

When you say the other 2 holsters were difficult to defend, do you mean they were easier for the adversary to defeat? Was that due to their hood design or something else?

The Vault is a garbage can of a holster. 1 in terms of size and 2 in terms of function. They’re pulling them out of the injection molding too fast and the holster is collapsing on itself slightly causing too tight of a fit. Also, yeah the trigger is more covered on this version because it’s the single battery version. Alien gear has the same single battery version with significantly less space. Plus the alien gear full size v3 has a reworked mold covering more of the trigger at more of a 90° angle. Michigan State Patrol is running it. V3 also has a mounting spot for the Axon signal.

@rdrgear

Ай бұрын

The week after I filmed this I saw the post from alien gear. Hats off to the them. The cost of retool the holster was not cheap.

@trcapper9376

Ай бұрын

Yessir. The customer service and feedback they’re listening to is putting Safariland to shame imo.

I’ll stick with my Safariland 6360. The Volt looks huge. Big pass for me. The Alien Gear holster looks interesting. Thinking about getting one to play around with.

@rdrgear

Ай бұрын

The AG Rapid force is solid holster. It’s takes a little getting used to. With how it sits on the hip

Thank you.

can confirm the LONG delay for certain pistols. even more so if youre a lefty. M&P holsters in lefty are not offered, but they are available for righty. with more time, as they have more options available, they will have a shot at cornering the market IMO.

I have a vault for a Glock 17 with x300. I know when it first came out over the summer it only had the small lights but now you can have the large ones. I absolutely love mine, it’s been through multiple training classes so far and is broken in. I personally would trust that as a duty or training holster more then the 6000 or even 7000 series.

@rdrgear

Ай бұрын

I can only imagine that you must not have much time on active retention holsters. The vault does nothing the current 6000 series holster do not or the 7TS for that matter. It’s simply a way for Safariland not keep up with alien gear. And no a vault is no where near the holster the 6000 series has been the gold standard for the last 30 years.

@plb2455

Ай бұрын

@@rdrgear How is the vault no where near the holster the 6000 is? Just curious since it seems like it's beefed up and has better trigger guard gap coverage.

@rdrgear

Ай бұрын

@@plb2455 the trigger gaurd coverage is hype. If you actually test this with a 6000 series holster you will see only a child’s finger get in there. Trigger gaurd coverage was a buzz word to try and push the original 7TS holsters. The beefed up part comes from the previous failures of the 7000 series. And Safarilands need to chase alien gear. I have had guys send in 6000 series holsters that were used over 15+ year career. With zero issues other than daily wear. The vault for any of the weapons the officer it in does bother better than the 6000 series light and red dot compatible holsters Currently offered.

@plb2455

Ай бұрын

@@rdrgear Gotcha. What is the ALS spring unit on the outside of the newer Safariland holsters for? I don't remember those being on older models.

@rdrgear

Ай бұрын

@@plb2455 it’s exactly that the als spring. It’s how the new red dot holsters operate the als.

Opinions on BH omnivore? I grabbed one to hold a Steyr L9A2 which has like zero holster support. Haven't run it yet at all just wondering about your experiences with it.

I have the vault with zero problems.

Ran a safari land for 5 years. Really didn’t like how easy rocks can get into it and slow down the actions and make them a pain to manipulate as fast as you want. I’ve ran an alien gear rapid force for 4 years. The level 3 has ran perfect, the quick release I’ve had 1 of 3 fail on me (kept it in my truck and it got exposed to soda and kids shakes excet). The level 2 alien gear is too open and gets as jammed as a safariland can. I haven’t carried one of those newish Blackhawks, but the cops I’ve trained with whose department has them use really like it. My current favorite is the comp tac I got for my PDP which I have on an alien gear adapter to use the a commonality with my duty holster and or belt.

I'd love get either one of these but they'll never make one for the p229.

Just a heads up on the trigger guard coverage. Yours is a first iteration (my first run has that poor coverage too) but I have a 2nd iteration and the trigger guard coverage does exactly as you said and is higher before dropping down. On the 320 model.

@rdrgear

Ай бұрын

I saw that like a week after we filmed and edited this video. At least it will help folks like us know which version we got. Good on alien gear for investing in making the tooling change. That was not cheap.

Is there any duty holster options for the SIG P226 Zev that you offer or could recommend. All I see is loose information with 320 safariland 6k series and some wonky mods.

I prefer the Alien Gear

Really wish they had a rapidforce option for M&P 2.0's 😭

Does the Safariland Vault fit a P320X5?

Where can I buy a 1911 SPRINGFIELD ARMORY TRP OPERATOR FULL RAIL HOLSTER.PLS. LMK THANKS

Hopefully the vault doesn’t have the same issues the 7000 series had where they crack down the side when someone grabs your gun or you roll around on it.

@rdrgear

Ай бұрын

The tearing is no longer an issues. But it’s now Also twice the size.

Im debating on getting the Alien Gear holster

@hopewilliams6705

Ай бұрын

Me also... Mil spec mojo said they were sound

@TROY-MCCLURE-1991

Ай бұрын

What pistol setup do you have to run an active retention holster? Safariland can go up to 5" barrels. At the moment, Alien Gear's Lvl V3 duty holsters only go up to 4.25" holsters, comes in two colors, and currently make for GLOCK, Sig P320's, and M&P 2.0's.

@hopewilliams6705

Ай бұрын

@@TROY-MCCLURE-1991 yeah most common duty guns in alot of departments are 4.25

@HoodRatDiesel

Ай бұрын

You wont be disappointed, in 10 min I was drawing faster than I had been with my level 3 safariland that I had thousands of draws on. way more consistent and better retention.

@rdrgear

Ай бұрын

All depends on your use. The make a solid holster. I’m not a huge fan of the belt mounting. And they are a little boxier than Safariland. It’s really a preference thing.

Will that Safariland holster hold a AXG Legion with a x300u flashlight?

@rdrgear

Ай бұрын

Yes. We offer the 6390rds as well which is a better option for the AXG legion

6000 series light bearing Safarlands WILL securely lock a pistol without a light on it in the holster, level 1, 2, 3 or even 4 retention. This stuff is really simple. Don't believe me? Stop again without a light into a Safariland light bearing holster and see for yourself.

@RANDY_MAR5H

Ай бұрын

Not the RDS holsters.

Is there a holster like this for the Sig 365 MacroX Tac Ops? I didn't see it.

@SteelCityIceBirds

Ай бұрын

I doubt it. These are designed for duty guns.

@jonathanwilliams7161

Ай бұрын

@@SteelCityIceBirds 😔

What about Blackhawk t series ?

That Vault is FUGLY!!! I prefer the Safariland 7T of all the Safariland holsters I've used.

The Vault holster is so ugly. It's like nobody thought the overall appearance through. The 6000 series are ok but I use the 7360 series and I love how it looks abs it's operates just like the 6000 series holsters so there was no learning curve.

The vAuLT SUCKS!!!!!!