"Stalked them until maturity"? That's not entirely just. He wasn't suggesting his character was stalking hers! He was suggesting his character was grooming hers.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Paladin's player was grooming the ranger character, the paladin would have just been stalking. The whole reason he introduced the "I'm going to marry this baby" plot was because he was called out on his character not raising the abandoned girl raised by solves.

@slacknhash

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan Conceded.

@65firered

Жыл бұрын

That's worse which umm.... Yeah.

@65firered

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan He has umm... some issues to work through. Also, making that kind of backstory is bad enough on its own but with his girlfriend's character? Now, that's fucked.

@agentchaos9332

Жыл бұрын

All I can think is that they're twilight fans and are ripping off Jacob imprinting on Nessie...yeah I'm gonna choose to believe that because it's the least creepy option.

Drake is a Tyrannical overlord, Critcrab is a noble king, and crispy is a tavern care giver. By D&D standards, Crispy is the most powerful as a retired lvl 20 barkeep

@subhuman9246

Жыл бұрын

drake is a war criminal, Critcrab is too busy partying and eating garbage and Crispy just is

@Fairydragon12

Жыл бұрын

Drake being a tyrannical overlord makes sense given he's a red dragon.

@NotaStalker1000

Жыл бұрын

Then… what does this make Crowe?

@SpenceSession

Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile Bear bard is... just a Bard... likely plays at the Tavern on weekends.

@koboldking7153

Жыл бұрын

@@NotaStalker1000 Probably a fey lord, since he rules over birds

Someone clearly thought the Jacob/Rigatoni baby relationship from Twilight was #couplegoals. Ew.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

I assume it was a cheap excuse to avoid the plothole while forcing an in-game relationship.

@cassieosbourne7666

Жыл бұрын

Rigatoni 😂😂😂😂

@Drakoni23

Жыл бұрын

Went to the comments to see if anyone else made that connection...

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

@@Drakoni23 Seems like everyone made that connection.

@winterkind1772

Жыл бұрын

You know how much this story messed up my mental health when I spend 5min straight laughing about Rigatoni XD

With the Pokemon story, it's not Spooky being a DM trying to help OP make things good with their game. It's Spooky evolving into a 'That Girl' with the 'murderhobo' mindset with a dash of 'Player vs DM'. She wants to be powerful and be able to do everything without any resistance or care. When OP decides to try and add challenge to the game and nerf Sleep, she instead gets argumentative and lashes out instead of working with OP. Ultimately, nothing of value lost when OP ended the game and get her out of his life

@kawliga9890

Жыл бұрын

You forgot a tinge of Main character syndrome

@demonkingt

Жыл бұрын

I got abusive female out of it plus what you said "I do this out of love" comment and all that

@Sanodi21

Жыл бұрын

@@demonkingt I tend to blend in 'abusive' and 'main character syndrome' like the other commenter said when it comes to 'that guy/girl' with a dash of narcissism. For me, anyway. Point is, they want everything, everything revolves around them, how dare people exist and take anything away from them, everyone should be bowing to them, etc.

@user-pe4rb5qf1b

Ай бұрын

Basically she blamed the DM about everything she did herself. That's called projection: some emotionally unstable people tend to project their character traits (good or bad) and certain behaviours (good or bad) that they feel uncomfortable with to people around.

"You don't know the difference between fantasy and reality. Also playing pretend can summon satan in real life." XD that's just such a hardcore contradiction, idk how to take it seriously.

@eldarhighelfhealermiriella7653

Жыл бұрын

The OP should have mail the mother a Lawfull Good Cleric playerbook copy and say "This is your Jesus in D&D. Have a good day" XD

@choryllis6646

Жыл бұрын

If God did not want us to play DnD, he wouldn't have given Satan the power to make the game. If God did not want us to sin, he would have expelled the possibility since the creation of the garden of Eden. Therefore, God wants us to sin and play DnD.

@ostrowulf

10 ай бұрын

I mean, the "I saw it in a Forensic show" comment makes the "You don't know the difference between reality and fantasy" a bit hillarious.

@SuperHGB

8 ай бұрын

​@@ostrowulfguess what, murderers drink water, eat, and breathe air, will you ban that

@ostrowulf

8 ай бұрын

@@SuperHGB Ummm, sure, not following how my comment lead to that, I am down for some more crazy laws.

“She’s Demanding” Spooky is a bully, period.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

One who plays victim to gaslight people.

@WynneL

Жыл бұрын

Spooky's DM was like 5 billion times TOO NICE. I can't believe they called themself stupid rather than calling out Spooky for being just a horrible, horrible person. There were plenty of ways to be encouraging and nice while still expressing the same opinions--the kindest thing I can say about Spooky is that she probably has a personality disorder and could benefit a lot from therapy and medication so that she stops taking a game so personally. But that, of course, doesn't mean anyone should have to hear her garbage or deal with her in the meantime.

I now understand why Crispy wears the Plague Doctor mask. He's the one who has to sift through the creepy sex stories. *The mask is necessary to keep his sanity*

@bouncycomix

Жыл бұрын

it sifts out their stank

@kellyalves756

Жыл бұрын

@@bouncycomix The nose is crammed with rosemary and cloves.

@plaguehead7348

Жыл бұрын

Take it from a professional plague doctor, we need the mask.

@Nerobyrne

Жыл бұрын

This is fitting, since the plague doctors weren't there to cure the plague, but rather to count the dead/dying and report it to the relevant authorities. Similarly, he's only here to tell us about the horrors, and for that, he must be protected.

3rd story: Wow, did this guy get all his writing advice from Stephanie Meyer? At least the last story won't be that bad. 4th story: ...I may have been mistaken.

@ChaosMaiden2

Жыл бұрын

Lol, I thought of Breaking Dawn too.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

@@ChaosMaiden2 Everyone did.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

The 3rd story felt more malicious, but the 4th was definitely more shocking.

@aegisScale

Жыл бұрын

_WELL THAT ESCALATED._

@asioca1992

Жыл бұрын

@@ChaosMaiden2 Same

I originally heard the white knight story on Crowe’s channel. The whole time I was thinking “this story is going to break Crispy.”

@rhunter42dragon

Жыл бұрын

And it turned out to not even be the worst story in the episode. I mean... how do you even respond to that last one? 😳

Consent isn't just important, it's *EVERYTHING*

@davhot4107

Жыл бұрын

I have the feeling that the mod girl is probably autistic, have some sort of brain damage/illness or some sort of mental problems. Hormones hit humans like a tuck and don't care what state are you in, and you will make stupid things thou. Kinda feel sorry for her that she fell in love with OP voice.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

@@davhot4107 I have no reason to believe she is a victim in this. And it absolutely isn't love causing her actions.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Some would argue legality is also part of it, but so far that doesn't apply here.

@65firered

Жыл бұрын

@@davhot4107 None of which are an excuse.

@angiep2229

Жыл бұрын

Being neurodivergent can be a reason for some miscommunications (speaking as an AuDHD person myself) but it doesn't excuse being terrible.

That third story sounds like boyfriend was a big fan of Twilight.

@pippo17173

Жыл бұрын

Also to add, he probably is a big jacob fan too.

@65firered

Жыл бұрын

Including the parts everyone mocked... I mean, outside of the franchise of course.

@midnights2631

8 ай бұрын

I didn't realize until I read your comment, remembering some parts in the book. I'm going to throw up. I remember reading Twilight in High School because I was curious why so many people liked it. I was so confused why people liked it after I read all the books.

DM in the story about Spooky is way to hard on themself. It sounds as though they took a lot of Spooky's verbal abuse to heart, and that's really unfortunate. DM, if you see this, if you haven't been discouraged from ever DMing again, try to trust yourself a little bit more. Lots of players enjoy games that have moral dilemmas and deeper meanings. And if you make mistakes, most reasonable players will point it out politely, not with all that nastiness. If you end up with someone like her again, I want you to remember this phrase, and use it: "It sounds like you and I aren't a good fit for each other. Good luck finding a game you enjoy more."

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the intro and ending sounds like Spooky was gaslighting the OP/DM so she'd get convenient results.

@XRay22AW

Жыл бұрын

I got that same impression. I was waiting to hear about why he felt he was somewhat problematic, and it all ended up just being self depreciation.

@angiep2229

Жыл бұрын

@@XRay22AW Being constantly told how terrible you are really messes with you. It's why I stopped speaking to my stepfather three years ago. Hopefully OP can find the courage to try again, with a group of nice people who aren't complete assholes.

@lexa2310

3 ай бұрын

In the beginning he said that "they" told him to read through these storys to become a better DM. To me it didn't sound like it was just one person suggesting that.

"Those guys can be unnaturally self-destructive." Wait, are we still talking about kids, or D&D players/characters?

@CrispysTavern

Жыл бұрын

…both. Both is good

@soultpp

Жыл бұрын

@@CrispysTavern Kids have it naturally and some players/characters have perfected it into an art form, yes?

Hey Crispy thx for covering my story (The pokemon one). There were a ton of issues in that game i didn't include merely cause the post was getting too long. I dont really understand the adversity for dilemmas. I get that games are usually better off stressful, but I feel making a decision, even if it leads to an undesirable outcome, is why RPGS are so fun. I have been given suggestions of after removing Spooky I should continue with the game, but because i had a small set of players and was halfway through the campaign, I rather give it a rest and work on something else, as I don't want to continue a game with spiteful energy. Thanks for the support. Also good god that last story is messed up.

@silversonome5360

Жыл бұрын

Yo, check out the comments of this video! There's a lot of people giving out their support for you - but the gist of their messages is that you shouldn't take Spooky's verbal abuse to heart. Words are taken from who they came from, if an asshole tries to criticize you, you have all the right to ignore them. Moreover, keep on playing! You're more than enough of a good GM to keep your players invested, and once the situation is cleared up, I'm sure they'll be understanding enough to support you throughout your tabletop journey, and to pick you up and help whenever you make a mistake! Good luck!

@asioca1992

Жыл бұрын

For what it's worth, you didn't do anything wrong that couldn't be explained away as you being new to the whole DMing thing and Spooky was being unreasonable just to try and guilt trip you into giving her perks she didn't earn or deserve. If you don't want to continue the campaign then that's fair enough, but if you ever decide to give it another shot (sans spooky) then I'm sure the rest of the players would appreciate it. Just remember, every DM had to start off somewhere, it's not an unforgivable sin to make mistakes or bad calls once in a while. It seems as though you understand why your mistakes were issues and are striving to improve over time, and that's really the best anyone can ask of a rookie who just started getting into the game. Keep it up, I'm sure you'll do fine in the long run.

@angiep2229

Жыл бұрын

Hey there, I'm glad you're here! I hope you saw my comment earlier directed at you! Short version: Lots of people would probably enjoy the style of game you were trying to run. You may make mistakes, but you don't need to be so hard on yourself, and no one has a right to treat you the way you were treated. If you're in a game and someone is just hating your game and the way you run it, they don't want to be there. Politely let them know you're not a good fit for each other, and wish them luck. I hope you're not horribly discouraged by this experience. That person was absolutely awful.

@angelicasimmons6858

Жыл бұрын

Hi. I'm tossing in with these guys. You may have been a new GM, but it really does seem like Spooky was using the fact that they GMed before against you to try and get things to go their way regardless of what the rules actually were. The example conversations were shared were prime examples of gaslighting. I know it sucks to have to boot people from your games. I've had to do that with a few players myself, and some of them were my friends because they were toxic to the group, disruptive, or turned out not to be who I thought they were. The ban hammer can even make the other players nervous. Just follow the golden rule of TTRPGS : TALK IT OUT! Don't be afraid to talk about the issues at the table and as the DM don't be afraid to put your foot down. Not every game is going to appeal to everyone. And if you have to ban someone, talk to your other players and give them assurances. We're often playing with our friends, so you should be comfortable enough to talk to them. As for DMing, there are a LOT of advice channels on KZread and other places. I suggest Seth Skorkowski. He usually focuses on things like Cyberpunk and such, but he has some very good general advice for DMs on the whole, including how to handle problem players and how to improve as a DM. I hope you keep playing and DMing!!! TTRPGs are a fantastic hobby. And your pokemon caring for children was a great idea.

Babysitting during a D&D greatly depends on how old/self-sufficient the kids are. If they are content to just sit in the other room watching movies or playing video games then it could work.

@IaIaCthulhuFtagn

Жыл бұрын

Or old enough to watch without bugging people. Free bedtime story, you know, assuming any adult content is scaled back some.

@DungeonDragon18

Жыл бұрын

I did once have a player bring his 10-ish year old nephew to a game. The kid just sat in the corner playing DS games with his headphones on while we played, and it was perfectly fine.

@lt-ug2pz

10 ай бұрын

I'm a parent. I don't have babysitting during DnD. We play with other people who are parents or have younger siblings (same family). We all collectively take care of the two babies (2y, 1y) and the older kids play video games or watch movies in the other room. The mom of the fiancee of the other DM (me and him swap weeks) has started coming over to help with the babies because she likes kids and we are comfortable with her now, so that helps. It takes a bit of understanding and sometimes we might get 2-3 hours of play in the 4-5 hours we are there, but def doable.

Spooky clearly just spammed the a button in pokemon. as pokemon's in game lessons are often about forming bonds and not treating your pokemon as just tools

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

More like a power gamer. The Pokemon games don't actually practice the bond forming they teach in gameplay.

@TheGhostFart

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan its sorta there in the form of happiness but its basically ignored for the most case outside of a handful of situations .

@65firered

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan I'm a power gamer but I still treat my Pokemon well. Especially the legendaries. There's a difference between training my Pokemon to become stronger and tossing away anything that's not the strongest.

@draconicfeline6177

Жыл бұрын

Pokemon Amie/refresh was great. ... And even Giovanni gives his pokemon breaks and takes good care of them. His logic is that he needs to keep his tools in good condition. And has a whole speech in Masters EX about how great his Persian is in terms of "hey, team Rocket, don't just go for the strongest! They're all useful. Look at my cat, my cat is amazing." Even he has bonds of malice.

@Cthulhu4President

Жыл бұрын

I've played a lot of pokemon games, including the fan made ones. I've yet to see an in game mechanic that would make how you treat your pokemon have any effect whatsoever. Even in the games where "you have to open the shadow pokemon's heart to make it form bonds again", there's no actual bonding mechanic, which is prominently displayed by the fact you can catch shadow pokemon but you can't make one by being a terrible person... Even though NPCs made them through that method. Happiness as a stat is basically just there for show, I've certainly never seen a pokemon just up and leave cause they were done with my shite. That being said I generally get my starter team together and use solely them until I absolutely have to change up my team to progress; the other stuff I catch is just for the pokedex.

20:46 That guy: the minute I saw you being born, I knew you were going to be my true love. Me(Viewer)DM/TheParty: Blue screens

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the DM didn't blue screen. Just stayed neutral.

That mother in the game shop campaign acted like a child for her child. While the OP and daughter may have stuck together, I hope the mother's boyfriend got out of dodge after that.

Intro group was lucky the kid just stole the dice rather than mistaking it for candy and start choking.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

That makes me question why the mother didn't babysit.

Fellow Aro/Ace here. On the third story: First, gross 500 year old elf falling for a BABY. Second; funny how we Ace ppl know what is good in a relationship. lol

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Everyone but the problem people in these stories know that.

Intro story: Oof. Sounds like a messed-up family over there. Good thing OP had the sense to leave! First story: I guess we know where Sarah got her tendency to pick fights over what she can and can’t do in an RPG. Somehow, I don’t see OP’s relationship with Sarah going well in the future… (And yes, I’m well aware that Sarah is nowhere near as bad as her mother. Sarah’s just mildly argumentative, while her mother apparently never mentally progressed past the age of six, because anyone over that age should be mature enough to not throw tantrums over a pretend game.) Second story: Ugh, what a brat! Good on OP for blocking them. OP, if you’re reading this, I’m sure you’re an awesome DM. Keep taking constructive feedback, stay consistent with your rulings, and don’t let jerks like Spooky ruin your confidence. I hope you can get back into DMing soon! Third story: Paladin was obviously the main problem here, but OP’s not exactly blameless-why the fuck didn’t they DO anything? As a DM, I would have shut Paladin down as soon as he started trying to impose on Ranger’s backstory when she clearly didn’t want it. The DM has authority over character creation, and OP should have used it before things got ugly. Fourth story: What. The. Fuck. That is all I have to say.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

For once I agree with the "OP was also wrong" statement in a story. Elf paladin's DM definitely tried too hard to be neutral. And same thoughts on 4th story.

@aegisScale

Жыл бұрын

4th Story: [Internal Screaming]

@soultpp

Жыл бұрын

All we know from the first story is that Sara and OP had one disagreement over a single spell. For all we know if her mother hadn't exploded OP could have shown her why what she wanted to do was wrong and continued past it without issue. I am not saying that she was in the right or anything just that we cannot extrapolate a whole personality from the two-three sentences that OP wrote about the situation. Sara also was not blameless in that she agreed to let her mother attend without discussing it with OP presumably knowing that her mother already had issues with OP. This still doesn't mean that her general nature is inclined towards picking fights. The DM did try to step in after the 'ewww' moment and I would like to assume that he at least tried before that,. The problem was that Paladin was just getting more and more forceful about the situation and sounds like a very agreesive person, since he completely ignored the DM when he did mention trying. Maybe the DM in this story could have tried harder, I agree with you there, but not everyone has the ability to just "shut someone down" cold like you said, especially when this was a long time acquaintance (friend?), and perhaps he was trying a more diplomatic defusion of the dilemma (Sorry got poetic). Also, sometimes it is way harder to stand up to your friends than complete strangers. His attempts did not work of course, and this story is the result. DM's probably not totally blameless true, but most of the blame should be on Paladin from being a controlling and disgusting jerk.

@draconicfeline6177

Жыл бұрын

@@aegisScale Same. Internal screaming.

I don't like using the word cringe. But when I do it's usually to describe creepy white knights. There's literally no other word for it.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Felt that way to the last story. Though the "white knight" was definitely bad, though seemed more about controlling without even the illusion of virtue. A know-it-all, really.

@lovisericachii4503

Жыл бұрын

Nah, cringe is too nice for them. I feel like gagging or throw up. Tis gross and creepy.

@tarotsushima3332

Жыл бұрын

@Viewer Yeah, the whole actual concept of cringe comes from second hand embarassment and you have to care or empathize in some degree to be embarassed on someone's behalf.

@lovisericachii4503

Жыл бұрын

@Viewer Agreed. Also the Taro comments explains what I had in mind well. Think of it as when you are a child and your parents are kissing and hugging you in front of other kids when dropping you off at school. Kids tend to cringe at their parents DOA at times. Or the saying "Mom... you are embarrassing me"

Spooky is such a toxic player. Complaining about how one method doesn't work for every single situation, insulting the dm in the name of "Criticism" and gaslighting people.

@pikachu0Z

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, and honestly some of people got saint levels of patience, cause if it was me I'd boot her, she wants to complain, she can get do that somewhere else.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Also aggravated by her telling the other players every decision the DM made was just metagaming to spite her. Ruins immersion.

Okay. That elf reminded me of "Vampire Knight" so much! The MC of it is the ML's brother, but not really as the real brother was sacrificed as a baby to reincarnate the super powerful ancestor vampire! He then fell in love with his "sister" when he saw her as a baby because she was the reincarnation of his dead lover, or something. It is beyond gross and incest is totally okay so to "keep the blood pure". Oh. And the reason the baby was sacrificed was because its uncle was salty that his sister married her other brother and not him.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Most people chose Twilight and one person chose Seven Deadly Sins as comparisons, but this works too. Fortunately nobody else agreed to this plot unlike what that series seems to do.

@aprilbennett4161

Жыл бұрын

I don't know, man. After the umpteenth "vampires and especially purebloods are pathetic/pitiful" monolog and purebloods being repeatedly put down for being crazy or something, I got the feeling that Kaname was intentionally mentally ill or otherwise screwed up. Also, there were three lead characters. You forgot Zero.

@alexinfinite7142

Жыл бұрын

I remember watching that. Hilariously stupid lol

@noahburrow330

Жыл бұрын

My brain hurts reading this

@davidgomes4408

Жыл бұрын

When you're young, you make mistakes. You date dumb partners coz' they're hot. You read dumb manga coz the art is hot. *sigh* To be young again...

I used to work with a “spooky”. The only advice I can give is “stay as far away from them as possible”. People like that lash out and try to hurt anyone they can’t manipulate.

As for that last one I'm not sure how I feel. On one hand your voice is literally good enough to get someone off, on the other hand that's really fucking creepy. Like, I would feel so many conflicted feelings.

.... I admit, I re-listened the last story's middle part *three times* before continuing, to make sure It really was what was happening and not just my mind misinterpreting. ... Wow. That's fucked up.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

I figured the sexual content warning meant that it was what it was.

@Theokal3

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan Yeah but part of me wanted to believe that wasn't it.

"never attribute it to malice" I mean that one was just her blatantly being a verbally/emotionally abusive person. Every thing was personal to her since it was ammo to abuse DM. The wording gives it away. "I do this out of love" "you were like me back in high school" very clear abuser talk It's blatant nice girl mindset. Starts off nice but becomes a huge problem because no one is gonna stop her

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

I think that was referring to the DM she victimized. Feeling that "DM's supposed malice could be innocent incompetence" was a good lesson despite the story not matching up.

@demonkingt

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan right. I was pointing out the dm wasn't the issue and regardless of what they did she was gonna have an issue. Hence "every thing was personal to her". Dm wasn't malicious she was just abusive and forced it to sound malicious

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

@@demonkingt Agreed. I was just guessing Crispy said what he said because he thought the message was worth it, despite it not properly applying to this story.

@demonkingt

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan just incase figured offer up another perspective I got out of it.

WHITE KNIGHT!! By that is holy, that last story was the most awkwardly cringiest story to date on this channel. There has been some rather messed up things before, but that I think was a mixxed bag of emotions on that one. In the OP's place I wouldn't know how to handle it either. Just wow!

@pippo17173

Жыл бұрын

I'm gonna guess the rest of her friends are A ok with it judging by the story. Look its one thing to support someone sexaul needs but when you are playing a game with a new person, chances are you might want to prevent that from happening.

@ZedMazaus480

Жыл бұрын

@@pippo17173 Agreed. A seriously bad play on her part. This falls into sexual predator rather than harmless entisement or shy behavior. Just plain wrong. As our good host said, "CONSENT REQUIRED!"

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

@@pippo17173 I have no reason to believe her friends knew and supported. Though the OP was right to leave rather than risk stranger's defending their horny friend.

@aegisScale

Жыл бұрын

Well, I must say I know exactly how I'd react to that situation. *I'd be screaming my throat raw in terror.*

"You don't know the difference between reality and fantasy" "I don't want any occult in my house, I once watched an episode of some show about a boy killing his family and he played dungeons and dragons also Satan" The irony, it burns.

If it were me in that last one I would have brought it up with the owners of the server when I noped out of there... Not for my sake but for the fact that, I would hope, they would do something about it to where it doesn't happen to anyone else Basically a "hey this is a thing that happened, I'm just gonna see myself out, just giving you a heads up you may want to keep an eye on her moving forward." kinda thing.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

OP was probably worried they'd take her side.

@poesenpai6475

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan yeah but my thing at that point wouldn't be that I'm trying to stay just to let them know this might be a thing. What they do after that is on them.

Story 3: I don't understand the need for the back story, he could easily have just tied his character into her own with her permission, without the needless back story.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

The point is he didn't ask permission and was going against her planned "raised by wolves" background.

@aegisScale

Жыл бұрын

I think I can answer this one: Guy wanted to be so inseparable from his new girlfriend that he'd wish for their relationship to transcend the bounds of reality. _Or in less words, he's toxic._

So am I gonna believe that in the third story, he took a page from twilight about jacob doing the same thing to the FUCKING BABY! Holy shit man.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Maybe. Seemed like trying to kill two birds with one stone: fix the plothole that was pointed out and secure an in-game relationship to his IRL girlfriend (at the time)

The story with Spooky was a case of the D.M. being inexperienced rather than any stupidity or incompetence. Also, aren't there one or two spells that allow you to basically "pick them and move them"? I don't quite recall, and I don't know how much things have changed from 3.5e to 5e just yet.

@eugenideddis

Жыл бұрын

There are a few that let you move them as a bonus action, they always specify this

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Seemed less like experience and more Spooky gaslighting OP into thinking they're a bad DM for inconveniencing her.

@TheRoseWolf

Жыл бұрын

Telekinesis spell is a thing, but that's an 8th-lvl spell :/ Edit: not 8th, 5th lvl actually

@marybdrake1472

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan And not by much in the way of inconvenience either.

@marybdrake1472

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRoseWolf Crap, I wasn't clear. I meant the A.O.E. of spell could be moved. Knowing about what level Telekinesis is might be handy all the same though.

Why did the DM need to babysit. If his mom and sister were both there.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Good question. I assume because the mother's a jerk.

The Paladin in story 3 was going through red flags faster than an Olympic skier.

The story about the mother trying to proselytize to to the first group takes me back. When I was in high school we were playing DnD at my buddy's grandpa's place and he seemed to be under the impression that it was a gambling game because he kept shouting we were gonna "roll our lives away" and that he was ashamed his grandson would stoop to "fleecing his friends for money", lol. It's also a bit rich that the woman said the players couldn't tell the difference between fantasy and reality while holding a book that claims dragons, unicorns, and leviathans are real and that ancient people with no medical knowledge could regularly live to be over 200 years old.

If the mother in the intro wants to use a forensics show to discredit DnD, someone should flip a coin on whether to bring up a certain kind of priest.

@keybladewizard49

Жыл бұрын

it's so annoying because in all the Forensic Files episodes that have featured the satanic panic D&D stuff, there were clearly problems outside the game. And the one where the guy who played D&D actually did it, he didn't even play D&D, he played VtM and had _way_ bigger problems

what i take from all these stories is that 99% of the problems happen because people dont stand up for themselves

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

The victim is about as worthy of blame as every bystander who doesn't call out and stop the actual problem people.

@65firered

Жыл бұрын

Watch more even that isn't enough.

@Myuunium

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this. What, it's also the victim's fault that they end up being a victim? I thought we all agreed victim blaming was bullshit?

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

@@Myuunium I'm against victim blaming. My point was saying if you wanna blame the victim(s), might as well blame everyone else too. In general blaming the victim sounds like saying the actual problem person is blameless, even if the blamer says they're bad too.

The pokemon party reminded me of the one in my pokemon campaign: Aura Guardian with a sword, a shy nerd that collects books, a mariachi that can talk with the dead, an italian cook and a cleptomaniac that always has the right tools for any situation. They are great people and players, love them.

Unrelated to the stories in this video, just felt like sharing. A number of years ago, I had a friend who was running a D&D home brew campaign. One of our players stipulated he would only play if he got to play a Centaur, as centaurs were his favorite fantasy race. At the time, we could not find/didn't know of any official rules for centaur as playable races, so we helped DM fabricate one. The next hurdle was figuring out what class for the centaur. Player moaned and groaned about how none of the classes fit into his preconception of what a centaur was supposed to do. Ultimately, he begrudgingly settled on druid. First couple of sessions went OK. Campaign was a little dull, but whatevs. Over time, centaur player began to withdraw from the game, only piping up when we specifically asked him to. Eventually he stopped showing up to sessions. When asked about his withdrawal from the campaign, he just said "I really just don't feel like I'm playing a centaur". uhh...ok. We asked how we could adjust to make it more fun for him, he just said "I don't know." We ended up just taking turns puppeting the character, since we liked the idea of a shape shifting centaur aiding us. Fast forward to my turn to DM. I created my own home brew campaign, but after the experience from the last game, I put forward a rule: only readily established playable races will be allowed. Centaur player then got super mad, refused to play the campaign, and said I singled him out. He never joined a game with us after that. Still friends with him, but yeesh.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

At least it sounds like he isn't bad outside the game.

@EmeralBookwise

Жыл бұрын

Huh... makes me rather curious what it was he thought a "centaur" should be able to do? Maybe, I've just been playing RPGs too long, but I just can't conceive of any singular definition of "centaur" that couldn't be accommodated with some class or combination.

I've been gaming since 1983 or 84, I have truly lucked out by never having any of these nightmare experiences happen in any of the games I've been involved in. We've done some goofball stuff, (example: turning a mech engine into a giant still) but nothing as screwed up as some of these stories

Oh don't give up on the game. Just give up on Spooky. Kick her, find someone awesome to fill her spot, carry on having fun. Whenever a 500 year old tries to date anyone younger than 257 it's creepy. I feel so naive, in that first story I assumed she was crying. That one of his never before heard voices hit too close to her impediment and it hurt her. Kinda wish that was it...

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

I think Spooky's DM mentioned they were taking a break rather than giving up. The following stories had players giving up.

Story 3: Crispy.exe has crashed. Story 4: I would have serious difficulty not calling out/mocking her in that situation. Mainly because my immediate reaction to that is to drown it out with humor. But um... Yeah, not exactly a great introduction to a server and a pretty good cause to be incredibly weary in the future.

The White Knight looks up to Jacob from Twilight. 🤣

That Baby story reminds me exactly about Imprinting and all its pedophilia connotations in the Twilight Novels

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

I'm convinced both that and this were poorly thought out plans, one so the spare guy doesn't lose "true love" and the elf paladin isn't a deadbeat dad. Not excusable but explainable.

“The mother made some strange frying pan cook that would heal people when she hit them.” Why do I get the feeling that lady watched ‘Tangled’ a few too many times? “Frying pans! Who knew, right?”

Also, I'm glad ranger broke up with paladin right then.. if they just got together and he's already trying to force his control on her for something this stupid and creepy, it would only have gotten worse

When you're an ace and so you are your own contraception... and then thinking about it makes you say that instead of contraption

I've seen story 3 in a lot of media. Anime, Paranormal Romance and I don't just mean Twilight. It's not too outrageous for me but I definitely think you need to know your audience for that kind of plot line. Oh and the obvious issue of course is that you DO NOT force a plot onto another PC without their say so. Just that simple.

@65firered

Жыл бұрын

Especially someone you're dating.

Is it strange that I miss Crispy's face when they use the avatar and I miss their avatar when they have their face?

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you like both.

@andrwblood9162

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan Can you imagine if they had both up and were synced to the same audio? 🤣🤣

Yeah depending on how old those nephews were you also don't want *dice* around them. Small kids put *everything* in their mouths. Older and able to self play you still want to get up every ten to fifteen minutes to check on them, even if the tv is occupying them. Gotta make sure they have plenty of liquids, snacks, dinner, get arguments resolved between them if they fight, time outs if necessary etc etc etc. Although if his mom and sister were also home how many nephews and how difficult are these kids to handle? I could handle three all under the age of six and none of them potty trained, but I'm also a grown adult.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like they should have watched the kids rather than dragging the others into it

@hiro4344

Жыл бұрын

Yep, just cancel for the night

The mother: you can't tell difference between reality and fantasy Me: bold of the woman who thinks playing a game is somehow apparently seducing people to the devil.

You are definitely one of my favorite DND people. Also heck yeah fellow Aro/Ace! You are so freaking valid

Why was the DM in charge of watching his nephews if the mom was there anyways?

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Probably because she's a jerk.

For the Spooky story don't go describing yourself with stupidity or incompetence. Everyone makes mistakes but insulting yourself is just harmful self-abuse. It's also an emotional manipulation tactic on others. If you wouldn't let someone say it about a friend don't say it about yourself.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Probably a result of Spooky gaslighting OP to thinking they're terrible as a DM.

@EmeralBookwise

Жыл бұрын

Some people practice self-depreciation as a form of humility or as a way of preemptively disarming the ability for others to attack them... _you can't insult me if I insult myself first._

@kelpiekit4002

Жыл бұрын

@@EmeralBookwise Exactly. That is emotional manipulation. If someone is going to offer criticism and you start calling yourself stupid they need to instead start saying nice things and mitigating their criticism or else it is like they are agreeing. It is not a benign tactic. Also humility is believing anyone is just as special as you, not believing that you're crap compared to everyone.

@kelpiekit4002

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan Quite possibly. Abuse can be contagious like that. For some people it's just their protection. (Not to suggest that is the only way someone starts abusive behaviour. I don't want to present a view of all abusers are victims too. Some people are just dicks.)

@EmeralBookwise

Жыл бұрын

@@kelpiekit4002: Maybe some people some people use it as a form of manipulation, but that certainly doesn't always have to be the case. For some people self-depreciation is just a way to remind ourselves we aren't perfect.

When it comes to moral dilemma’s, I enjoy them! Now, there are cases where they can be, a bit much (ie, every single interaction a dm throws at a certain player is a moral dilemma of some kind, constantly judging or criticizing their choices regardless of what they do). I’ve been that player who got tired of it and just wanted to have some fun without the moral judgement. Heck, I ended up joining a game after leaving that table where moral judgements were barely there (we just finished that game a few weeks ago and while not amazing, it was still fun!). But Spooky clearly was the type that said “I don’t care about Roleplay or morals at all. I am just buttom spamming my way through the game”.

"I'm not going to address anything in your letter..." = I immediately kick you from my group and finish reading the message later.

(Using his voice) I guess she wanted the DM to be the *"White Knight"* in her DM's.

Your righteous anger crashed the channel.. love it!

A perfect example of handling frustration at the table well is how Laura Bailey handled a bad combat encounter in campaign 2 of critical role. She was getting really bad roles against some Merrow and got upset. She allowed herself to feel frustrated without blaming anyone else, made it more lighthearted by joking about how she’s pregnant and that’s making it worse, and stepped away for a sec to cool off. If you’re feeling frustrated it’s okay to take a break but don’t take that frustration out on other people

my god... Spooky is fucking nuts

I've been watching random videos from Crispy for 2 days now and that last one...I feel like I need a shower after that.

I've seen that Forensic Files episode; turns out D&D had nothing to do with it. She was also mixing up like three different episodes lol.

"Unnaturally self destructive". I love that phrase to describe kids. I have many nephews and those little things can get into so much trouble simply by looking away for 5 seconds. Same thing is true for TTRPG players half the time. Take your eyes off of them for a moment and something stupid is going to happen that will end up with your entire campaign being ruined.

"...from the moment he laid eyes upon her when she was born he knew she was destined to be his true love." Well, I can tell which part of Twlight was his favorite😅

third story, certified twilight moment.

That last story reminds me of some kind of vampire themed RPG I played a bit of with a club in high school. For some reason the GM really wanted my character to romance an NPC the problem being, my vampire turned at 18 in the 80s and I've always found those kinds of romances creepy. So I countered it by doing the best I could, playing the character to just be pretending to be interested in his pet npc so he could start dating her mom and become Vampire Stepdad.

What the fuck that last story?? Hell even the story before the last!

What's creepy with falling in love with a baby, when its also a plot from a popular (to some) film franchise. Twilight

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Mostly certain you're being sarcastic, but dreading that you aren't.

@65firered

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan That actually happened. Jacob "imprinted" on Edward's daughter which essentially bonds them romantically. Apparently, the writer stopped caring at that point but... it explains a LOT in retrospect.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

@@65firered I know it happened, I meant the part about him possibly defending that choice. As stupid as that choice was, I assume it was made so he'd still have his "true love". And this elf paladin probably just wanted an excuse to keep his background idea without being guilty of abandonment. Still a stupid idea.

@65firered

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan Stupid all around when you think about it.

@9liveslie-cat-lie129

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan wasn't defending it

I have to wonder, is there something like Main Character Syndrome, but instead of wanting to be the main character, you actually want to set other characters up for greatness while your own character remains unnoticed, in the background? It wouldn't be being a Lancer as a Lancer is the sort of character that acts like a rival to an MC, equal in nearly every way to them, and always making the MC step their game up into becoming the MC properly. The Lancer will often team up, but will never stop competing with the MC, so Lancer wouldn't describe what I enjoy doing. As an example, in a Pathfinder game, I created a Ninja who would repeatedly set up enemies to be easily picked of by the Monk and Fighter. I'd use weapons and equipment to disarm and restrain the enemies, or poison them, or deform the battlefield around them, or I'd use something to aid the frontline characters and set them up with bonuses to attacks or skill checks. I'd set up segues that would prompt them to be the ones to figure out the solutions to puzzles, or else go behind everyone's backs, in disguise, and spread positive rumors about the other party members so that when they interacted with NPC's, they'd show up on good terms, with positive reputations, being liked, all while my character contentedly lurked in the background, sometimes literally hiding (disguised) in plain sight, not drawing any attention. I love playing like that, avoiding the spotlight in the narrative sense, without just being a lurker who only shows up for combat or something. I like actively roleplaying being that support character who's always pulling strings just out of sight, enabling others to shine. Is there a term for that?

that last story... some people are just animals, but this is legendary beast status

That last story... oh god. I've had nearly the same experience with my first online DM (and player in games I later DM'd), who after about a year of friendship confided that she... got off... listening to me some times. She told me all about how yes, she was married, but her husband was understanding of her needs, and she very candidly asked if I wanted to ERP. Now I'm not easily flustered and I wasn't about to break ties with an excellent roleplayer over that but boy it did leave me just a little bit weirded out! I politely sidestepped the invitation and we did stay friends for several more years until other D&D shenanigans split us apart. . . . . . On consideration, over the seven years of playing 5e I've now had five people hit on me through those channels... maybe it's just my bassy villain voices? Ultimately one player (not the aforementioned!) did cross the world and become my long-term partner, so I guess I made good from it in the end.

People that rage against Moral Choices , are people with out any .

Or have a nice House of Dragon Game - Midderlands Setting + Barrow Keep Den of Spies + Keep on the Borderlands = lots of castle backstabbing and intrigue. Wyvern Riders and Rookery Optional.

I have actually DM'd a game at a local gaming club with one of the player's grandma sitting in. Fortunately, I was running a game set in Zootopia which, by nature, was light, fluffy and inoffensive. I think she enjoyed the experience and was charming to chat to in downtime when players went to the bathroom and the like. So.. slightly better than the second story! --- Also, isn't the "fell in love at birth" thing a horrifying plot point from Twilight?!

Do multiple comments help the algorithm? This was supposed to be part of another comment but I accidentally sent it early and didn't feel like editing this in. Pokemon campaign sounds fun but that player gave RPG horror stories a bad name. Felt like she was gaslighting the OP/DM into thinking they were a problem player just for inconveniencing her character. I heard the elven paladin story before and I gotta say I like how ranger pointed out the plotholes in his backstory connection plan. And glad there was a relatively positive response to players being dissuaded from tabletop over these experiences. Usually it's portrayed as tragic that a potential hobby doesn't get valued enough to utterly ignore some trauma. That last story was just.... I have no words. Wow. That's it.

Holy crap that last one. Poor guy. I wish I was involved, I would have gone “ DOES ANYONE ELSE HEAR WEIRD NOISES IN THE BACKGROUND? IT’S INCREDIBLY DISTRACTING.”

I've been playing/DMing D&D for 30 years and I've played with new DMs. You know what I don't do? Browbeat the DM for making mistakes. That's a good way to chase away people wanting to run a game in a game that needs new DMs. Let people play in the place they are.

One word for the white knight story story. EEWww!!

About what the Christian mom said about the buy who killed his family and also played DnD: That's correlation, not causation.

@SuperHGB

8 ай бұрын

Murderers drink water, eat, and breathe, will you ban that

I am not happy the relationship in the first story survived. If my mother started screaming at someone I knew, my boyfriend no less, I would Shut. Her. Down. Not okay. The girlfriend needs to sit that mother down and tell her to stop, or OP needs to leave.

23:00 - At the very least, Ranger is now out of a very red flag heavy relationship with a dude that seems real chill with grooming an infant, so that's a plus to come out of all that.

I've been binge-listening to your videos while I make UberEats deliveries. Thanks for keeping me company for the seven hours/day I'm stuck on the road!

The game shop one... Eight players?! Sounds like a nightmare.

Holy hell, that last one 😓

"wHite knight" All that aside, jfc, those last two stories- As for Spooky, oh lawdy do I hate it when people play the backseat DM. It sucks when you are on the recieving end of it because, even when you have experience DMing, it makes you doubt both yourself and your abilities.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

I hate how she treated everything DM did as metagaming against the party, more specifically herself. Kills the immersion for everyone else.

@pLanetstarBerry

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan It makes me wonder how she was as a DM. From my experience, the people most paranoid about "players vs DM" behaviors as players are usually guilty of it as DMs.

@pLanetstarBerry

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan I would like to add that I once had a player like that, and it gets so mentally exhausting to deal with them. The first time he had to skip a session, I cried when I got home after the game because I'd forgotten how much fun it was to DM.

Crispy could put literally any text into those thumbnails and I wouldn't question it

8:34 It’s not every day that you hear an Ace person pulling a Freudian slip.

I can definitely get (to a degree) how the player in story 2 was feeling. I've had a DM that seemed like they were actively fucking with me because of save DCs being insanely high and my character being focused down in several fights.

Pokémon Style DND sounds so much fun if it had good module to play on. I might throw this idea at my DM.

The guy in the white knight story is probably a big fan of the twilight movies

Third story reminds me of the True Blood plot with Sookie and that ancient fairy vampire dude Warlow or whatever his name was

29:16 (Seven deadly sins anime spoilers) I think this kind of happened with Meliodas and Elizabeth. I don't know why I kept watching that anime after that point.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

I tuned most of that out due to enjoying everything else so much. That and Fairy Tail numbed me to "fanservice" after it did worse in the final arc. I just saw it as acknowledging Meliodas knows Elizabeth is a reincarnation romance right after her past self dies.

@asioca1992

Жыл бұрын

Spoilers for Seven Deadly Sins . . . . . The difference is that Meliodas and Elizabeth both met each other centuries ago, only for them to be cursed by their respective parents for falling in love, as members of the demon and sacred races respectively. Meliodas was cursed with immortality, but every time he died, he'd lose a bit more of his personality since his soul would have to go through the demon realm every single time, which eroded his soul over time until Ban was able to restore his soul later on. Elizabeth was cursed with reincarnation, but was fated to die soon after she uncovered her memories of who she was. So each time she met Meliodas as a new incarnation, she would slowly regain her memories, die, get reborn into a new person, and the cycle would continue over and over again until her curse was broken. Also, by the time Meliodas meets Elizabeth again, she's already a young woman who he happens to meet during his travels. He's not like stalking Elizabeth's mother each time she's reincarnated or anything like that until she's born, it's usually Meliodas meeting Elizabeth again in her latest incarnation, possibly as a secondary effect of her curse so he'd slowly become more and more corrupted until he loses all his emotions and becomes a better vessel for his father, the demon king.

White Knight. Crispy.exe has crashed please reboot.

The "she's a baby" story reminds me so goddamn much of this twilight bullshit when Jacob ">imprinted

Third story, wake up break up. If he’s that controlling in Dnd I can’t imagine what he’s like outside the game. Sounds like a nightmare

No joke I actually have played D&D and baby sat my nieces. I thankfully have a very patient party, I muted my mic alot and distracted the girls with Disney movies. But it was cute seeing them react to my cheesy hero voice XD

With the last story, he probably should inform the other mods so they might kick her and not let her do that to anyone else..

That last story was... unexpected. Geez.