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@arthpatel7970

3 жыл бұрын

Hello I 'm first here

@mayvathabah5332

3 жыл бұрын

I like your video drivers are piece of crap

@arjunbriggs7637

3 жыл бұрын

You prolly dont care but if you're bored like me during the covid times you can watch all of the new series on instaflixxer. Been watching with my girlfriend during the lockdown :)

@benedictsincere7366

3 жыл бұрын

@Arjun Briggs Yea, have been using Instaflixxer for since december myself :)

shoutout to the lady who gave the biker her info to be a witness on the red suv lol how cute she was

@patrickodonnell5739

2 жыл бұрын

That road is 242 in Conroe texas it’s a dangerous road sometimes because of how far people have to get over to merge or get off the road a lot of accidents happen on that corner

I’ll never understand people who go through life thinking they’re always right. I’m really curious of what goes through their heads

@urdnal

3 жыл бұрын

It's literally "I am always right"

@SkinPeeleR

3 жыл бұрын

Me, myself and I.

@ajaysahota3346

3 жыл бұрын

My blood is just boiling watching some of these clips. I just can’t tell if these people are genuinely confused and don’t actually know they did something wrong or is there ego so big they have to make excuses to convince themselves they are in the right and they couldn’t possibly make a mistake. So dumb

@Havok412

3 жыл бұрын

@@ajaysahota3346 Straight up just typical stubborn people. Never take responsibility and always have an excuse as to why something happened which doesn't put them at fault.

@abikeanditsboy3449

3 жыл бұрын

What goes through their heads? Literally, not much. What does manage to go on in there I think it goes something like this, "Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me."

Last clip he was basically telling them if you wanna ride you can go through the neighborhood but don’t make laps around it cause it gets annoying and then went on talking about the nice weather and joked with them, nice guy overall.

@binkyxz3

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the translation.

@haezelroche

Жыл бұрын

Kinda sounds like a good idea too, you shouldn't stick around a neighborhood just because it's got a nice seal or a good view/corners or whatever, have a go then move onto the next area, just minimises the risk of some asshole whose way less kind showing up and shoving you off the bike.

Woke up before 8am, about to wash my bike and go on a ride with my brother. Y'all have a great Sunday!

@icantstandsbmm8880

3 жыл бұрын

I’m envious man. Got rid of my bike years ago. About to buy an ATV to take my son out for rides but it’s not quite the same as a street bike. Lol

@vanillabean3183

3 жыл бұрын

@@icantstandsbmm8880 I do feel very fortunate for days like today. My father was supposed to join us, but her just bought a new badass side by side, so he's taking my mom out for a ride on it today.

@Bones-dr2vt

3 жыл бұрын

@@vanillabean3183 have fun bro be safe

@georgeorwell126

3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations, Cupcake. Real working men have been up since 5 AM. Enjoy your candyass ride.

@kalybgamingsummers

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgeorwell126 imagine being rude to someone for no considerate reason when there just being nice

Nothing quite says "I'm the wronged party and innocent" quite like blurring the speedometer

@JesseWilliam95

3 жыл бұрын

He was hauling ass and then was afterwards too.

@TheOriginalEL

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, he may have been speeding but that's more reason not to cut in front of him. Bikes hauling ass can't stop on a dime.

@BrokenForklift99

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheOriginalEL It shouldn't be their responsibility to account for someone speeding. It is the driver's responsibility to keep control of their vehicle at all times so even if they were intentionally cutting him off, the accident would have been without a doubt the bike's fault. It's not the responsibility of others to account for anyone else's rampant stupidity. If some jackass wants to speed or ride a wheelie and permanently mangle himself on the passenger side of my vehicle while I'm trying to leave for work, that's 1 million percent on them and I would skip all the way to the bank with their insurance payout. Bikers have a bad reputation as it is. They don't need peckerweeds like this further muddling the waters.

@TheOriginalEL

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrokenForklift99 I 100% agree with you. All I'm saying is, if you see the idiot then wait for him to pass. Its better than possibly causing an accident that could kill someone. Make no mistake, even if they are speeding, if you see them and then pull in front, you have caused that accident.

@JesseWilliam95

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheOriginalEL but if you’re speeding on a bike the chances that you aren’t seen by another car go up.

1:44 “IS THAT THE GRIM REAPER?!?!”

@berkdizdar8569

3 жыл бұрын

nope thats a dementor

@wasterangler

3 жыл бұрын

You can be a king or holy nun creeper but sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper!

Gixxer 1000r.You came to a gentle stop at the driveway the van turned into, hardly a life or death situation. If I spent that long berating everyone who turned like that in front of me it would take all day to pop into town and back.

@789raiden

3 жыл бұрын

I know this is a camera and looks can be deceiving but it didn't look like it was a situation that required sudden braking and the need to pull over for that. Guy just seems like he wants to whine. In my first week of riding I was about to go through a green light and a van turned right in front of me, I'd say no more than 25 feet, id say I'd have warranted to say something but I just went on with my day. This dude needs to grow up before he does this to the wrong person

@rubenvanderhoeven1700

3 жыл бұрын

How dare you drive onto your driveway, this mand had to SLOW DOWN do you know how hard it is to slow something down? You have to press the brake. so now he has the right to beat you up

2:55 No he wasn't in your blind spot, karen. You drove across multiple lanes and didn't shoulder check either.

@AugustoJNNeto

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, as a new biker myself (1 year and about 4K km) my first reaction would be to hit the brakes (and not the horn as this guy did) as soon as I saw the car moving and way before getting into my lane (I’m always looking at the car tire’s direction, especially when I know I’m not on their mirrors). Hard to see from that angle, but looks like it was a 1 finger break as well... definitely not enough pressure for that situation. Surely the Karen was in the wrong and the GoPro makes thing looks further away, but idk looks like it could’ve ended with no collision, especially when his speed was under 40 mph. Just my opinion :P

@husseymangtv

3 жыл бұрын

the old lad y with the paper was so cute, "case you need a witness honey" to the biker. awwww

@trippplefive

3 жыл бұрын

@@AugustoJNNeto yeah...I saw that clip a bunch of times. He could've prevented himself from smacking into that lady's car if he was paid attention. Good save though.

@JesseWilliam95

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t know how she was a Karen about it.

@AugustoJNNeto

3 жыл бұрын

@@JesseWilliam95 I guess only a few people have the decency of owning their mistakes, even less when they’re driving.

The first guy had so much time to brake and not get himself into an argument. plus he was not going speed limit lol

@urdnal

3 жыл бұрын

Moto Karen man.

@creamtube

3 жыл бұрын

Field of view, the camera has an wide angle lens, which makes it look further then it really is

@dankkitty7226

3 жыл бұрын

@@creamtube I also own a gopro and while this is true, he clearly had plenty of time. All motorists should be ready for anything to happen, which is why drivers need to constantly survey the area they're driving in. Plus the van didn't go slow like a dickhead so they did their best to get out of the way before the bike got there.

@AbsoluteyAmerican

3 жыл бұрын

@@creamtube The old camera lens excuse. DDTFM recently went over this on one of his recent videos.

@tjcmoto5484

3 жыл бұрын

@@dankkitty7226 yep same, use a gopro all the time with every setting and if it looks 100ft it's not right in front of you. Especially on a sports. Bike you have a ton of time to slow down.

some of these video got me so mad I wanted to hit a side mirrors...while at home. Maybe ill buy a side mirror and install it next to my desk, and hit it every time I get mad at something.

@mehbkz

3 жыл бұрын

@KemDaWem Alright, maybe hit the back of it (To bend in), then pull it back when im un-mad ;)

@bumblebeeoptimus4299

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha lmao thats funny man!😆😆

@caseyblackwell7482

3 жыл бұрын

or try therapy

Dude in the white suv honked the same every time he pulled up next to the biker it was like his own theme song lol

Biker: you could at least just apologized Guy in white shirt: auhmuhadaduha

That wasnt your blind spot karen, you just cut across 2 lanes to make an exit.

@jonathanjoestar__

3 жыл бұрын

at least she apologised and actually acted like a decent person would after that

@alch3myau

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanjoestar__ did we watch the same video?

@sebastiaang9523

3 жыл бұрын

@@alch3myau yeah you could see that she was genuinely surprised and didnt see him. she was in the wrong but at least she was sorry

@crashburn2166

3 жыл бұрын

Fucking right. There are no blind spots when you TURN YOUR HEAD.

@houstonhayward1113

3 жыл бұрын

The old lady who gave her info as a witness is the real MVP of the clip. Not enough people do stuff like that, and without his camera it’s all just “he said, she said” for the insurance company. Speaking of, did you see how the driver of the SUV froze the second he asked for her insurance?

2:15 1. drivers cuts off the biker 2. Biker questions the driver's bad driving 3. Car runs the red light 4. Biker runs the red light too 😂

@worland6429

3 жыл бұрын

jUsTIfIeD

@karlgauci2897

3 жыл бұрын

Only in Malta my friend 🤣🤣

#1 0:13 Two questions: 1. What is the speed limit? 2. How fast was the motorcycle traveling? Question 1 - We don't have that info, but since it is a residential area, one would assume anywhere from 25-35 mph. That's purely speculation, but I seriously doubt highway speed. Question 2 - At the very beginning of this clip, you can easily determine that the bike traveled, conservatively, at least ten sections of fence in one second. Fence sections are commonly eight feet in length which is what these appear to be just looking at them. If correct, this means he is traveling about 80 feet/second which is 54.5 MPH. Furthermore, the van began its turn at 0:16, and the motorcycle slowed to a stop at 0:21, or five seconds later. Even if the motorcycle was going as slow as 25 MPH, which clearly does not seem to be the case, he would have been 184 feet from the van, or about 18.5 car lengths. Plenty of time to stop and avoid "being killed" if going 25 MPH. If indeed the speed limit is what is typical of a residential street, then traveling nearly 55 MPH would help to explain why the van driver probably thought he had plenty of time to turn based on how far the motorcycle was from him. Who is really at fault here? Hard to say without knowing the posted speed limit, but like many other commenters, it seems the MC was probably speeding and overreacted. By the way, did anyone notice at 1:29 when he drove away you could read the motorcycle's dash and speed limit of zero? As he began to accelerate, it was blurred so the speed is no longer readable. Why would that be?? Hmm... How's that for a diagnosis?

@jayronin6893

3 жыл бұрын

Well done Sherlock Holmes you've cracked the case yet again whatever will we do here in the great states of the United States of America

@jayronin6893

3 жыл бұрын

In all seriousness I have no clue how this didn't catch a lot of people's attention great job

@johnhtexas

3 жыл бұрын

​@@jayronin6893 This is what happens when one is stuck at home as the victim of a Covid layoff. It's a crazed and bored mind. Sad if not pathetic, I know. What can I say? Have a great day.

@HanginInSF

Жыл бұрын

Yup, the van saw him and judged there was plenty of room to make the turn. What they didn't realize was how fast the bike was going. Of course, the bike learned not a damn thing as he speeds off towards his next close call/accident.

12:15 il a fait passer son message "aller ailleurs faire du bruit " dans le calme ✌

1:48 Looks like Death has a death wish

@RishankZ

3 жыл бұрын

😂XD

@Lilbros20

3 жыл бұрын

Not gonna lie. That scared me so bad.

doing like 65 in a 30, almost kills him self , the gets mad and wants to fight, but doesn't, then proceeds to do 65 in a 30... you can't make this stuff up

@terminatedaccount5276

2 жыл бұрын

Speed limits are just suggestions, you know? 🤣🤷‍♂️

1:47 when your driving in a shithole and The Nun just walks up to you.

@jsxr8917

3 жыл бұрын

*grim reaper

@rationalityfirst

3 жыл бұрын

That's a ninja.

@JP-pp9ke

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@MDCVTR44

3 жыл бұрын

*holy* shit im sorry

@griiipnriiip365

3 жыл бұрын

Hijab guys

Love the vids man, keep em coming 👍

Love your videos!

@carolynjohnson7308

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Jillian

Wow I love this chanelss Moto Madness😅😅

5:39 must be why my pizza is always cold 😂

You made my day, this channel is so funny

Oh what a day!💙

Very nice videos bro❤️

Happy Sunday

Oh boy upload day!

The clip at 4:55 did anyone else hear the driver say "hey dickhead" as ZLuis went by?

Omg it took me a minute to fully comprehend the bleep-out noises lmao. I was like wtf did he just say in that first clip hahah

I love these bike channels as I would LOVE to one day ride! but these clips prove people just don't look for bikes!!! CRAZY!!

3:43 pero ROMPELE el ESPEJO!!! 👊👊

Where do you find these videos? I love your channel 💕🇺🇸

Man this vid makes me feel happy and entertaining 😊

2:30 Can we just talk about how nice that bike is!

and all this time i thought i wos special having to deal with idiots thank you moto madness over the months you have set my mind at ease

2:49 I’m impressed that this guy stayed up

Nice Sunday 😎

I get driving anxiety but for some strange reason these help

.......The Grim Reaper ....priceless....and accurate.

“Darling are you alright ye f*ck off”🤣

( 10:00 ) are we not going to address the biker being harassed???

I use to always watch you. Its been a while.

Moto Sunday just got back from a ride time to watch a couple vids be for getting back out there

I’m goin riding today because the weather looks good, just got my license two weeks ago and it’s my third time riding. Currently I have a 94 Yamaha 350 and am saving up for a Kawasaki ninja 400.

@Zepplin76

3 жыл бұрын

I just bought a 0 mile 2019 z400 (naked ninja 400) a few weeks ago. Loving it but already thinking I should have gotten a 650cc.

@youngsoin9125

3 жыл бұрын

Get a zx6. You won’t regret it.

@christopherdorner925

3 жыл бұрын

Highly recommend a husqvarna or ktm over the ninja 400

"Darling you are right.... fuck off" hahahaha 2:21

lmao "MEE?!?!, MEE!!!?"

The last one the old man was just asking the guy for his family recipe for baguettes

Woooow! 3:58 thats me 😍❤️

The second clip.. Tf was that person doing standing in the road like that 🤣

The woman that comes up at 3:24 in case you need a witness is freaking legend. Wish i had that backup in my cases. But in Norway it’s all about getting the bike back up without turning it off. Yeah some dude did that to me. Got up the bike while in gear and put full throttle as he lifted it up and then he released the clutch without putting it in free causing more damage to the bike as it went far off into the crowd on the side before it crashed into a big ass stone block. With 30+ witnesses in wich case all of them decided to cross the road on a red light while me tryning to brake only to find an oil patch in the road. Lucky me, yay.

1:46 Angel Of Death 😂

I was bored and then comes the notification

🇸🇦🇸🇦Follow you from Saudi Arabia

3:29 muevelo nyc came from behind that truck. The driver wouldnt have seen him till it was too late

@BrainHurricanes

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, did you also see the honda car was in the wrong lane ? I had to look twice.

@Thirsty_Fox

3 жыл бұрын

Where I live you can't change lanes in the intersection for reasons such as this. Super dangerous move that you can't reasonably expect people to anticipate.

Sometimes, the stupid angry people are the bikers themselves. If you’re on the road acting a fool, speeding and cutting in and out of lanes in traffic, you can’t be mad when someone doesn’t read your mind. You’re putting yourself and everyone around you at risk, and giving us safe riders a bad name. There’s a time and place for shenanigans, a busy highway is not one of them. Don’t be mad when you get what’s coming to you at no fault of anyone but yourself.

i realy like this video 🇵🇦 🇵🇦 🇵🇦 🇵🇦 It is very unusual to see videos of Panama on things as big as this channel

Damn I feel bad for Shadow in Panama. Those jerks in the white car were playing a dangerous game, not to mention the chick was loud mouth and distracting as f*ck. Trying to have a reeeal engaging conversation through the deafening noise of the wind and engines and helmet.

@icantstandsbmm8880

3 жыл бұрын

Not to mention they nearly ran him over multiple times. Absolutely brain dead.

@rich_t

3 жыл бұрын

I couldn't figure out if that was road rage or they were friends...

@baggedtuned8569

3 жыл бұрын

@@rich_t looked like they were all high and drunk asf

@asurasyn

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing a handful of carpet tacks tossed under their wheels wouldn't solve. ☺

@Xachremos

3 жыл бұрын

Why he would keep trying to get in front of them and fight for the position is beyond me. slow down and let them be stupid further down the road

The last one is anything but rage ...

When Palpatine goes for a walk in the road @1:45

2:20 "Damnit. Are you alright? Fuck off."

1:47 Grim Reaper on a hover board.... you’re fucked ! 😂 !

Always makes me smile when people yell or lecture bikes. I have earplugs, headphones, a helmet, and a V-Twin thumping away between you and me - I can't hear what I'm yelling, let alone you 😅

The last clip in French guy was just saying dont go in rounds the sound is annoying but then complimented the bike and wished a great day, cool non biker guy

"I used to ride Ninjas" Said no biker ever.

AND NOTHING HAPPENS! Great youtube title!

Larry Blunt: HOW DARE THAT EFFIN CAGER LEGALLY CHANGE LANES WHILE IM SPEEDING AND PASSING ON THE RIGHT APPROACHING A RIGHT HAND EXIT!!! 🤬

@mezz0075

3 жыл бұрын

That could be the reply to almost every Moto Madness vid.

4:27 how difficult to give a little space?

03:23 nice old ladies rock

awesome

Archbishop is a lunatic, is in every one of his videos lol

1:45 was that a evil spirit floating in the road?!

2:30 Everyone: brake so as not to collide with that idiot. That Guy: I'll honk without braking.

@zuadao

3 жыл бұрын

everyone: better switch lanes 1 at a time so i dont get into an accident that waman: you were in my blind spot

3:19 that lady was very kind

Love it

Everytime I get an itch to buy a road bike I watch these videos....and after a few minutes I decide against it. It's mad out there.

@lolly166541

3 жыл бұрын

It's actually not that bad. Most of these videos could be avoided if the biker wasn't such a jackass... No need to squish yourself through normal traffic, swerving in and out, accelerating like nuts. I've been riding for 11+ Years, and the amount of close calls I've had can be counted off on one hand.

These get harder to watch when you’ve gone through it

lol that batman

Be safe! Greetings from Poland!

The first clip pissed me off they guy is right an apology can go a long way

I know the place from 3:59, i used to be there every summer in my hisghschool years in germany. 😂 Great to see it in here.

I wish I recorded my near accident today. I was coming back from a delivery (I work at dominos as a scooter rider but I have a proper bike) and I was going through the parking lot and to avoid two people walking basically in the middle of the road I had to go pretty close to the left, about a foot from the cars parked on the left, and at that time I decided to flick my visor up coz I was only going 20-30km but as I was moving my visor up a ute (pickup for Americans) decided to pull out without looking from the left just ahead of me and coz my hand was up blocking a bit of my left cone of vision so I didn't see it till the last second, I managed to swerve in time to avoid having to fill out an incident report sheet thank god. this is why I love scooters, they tend to be more agile than normal bikes at slow speeds, if I was on my duke I would of hit them for sure. That's it nothing happened after that other than a bit of angry fist waving and a slight heart attack. hope everyone (who celebrates it) had a lovely Anzac day.

3 жыл бұрын

I they made beautiful scooters I would buy one. TMax is the only option.

@mitchymoto3085

3 жыл бұрын

​@Moto Rukus I'd love to but I'm pretty sure there is a customer privacy policy that doesn't allow me to record while working.

Bruh does that "Shadow MT507 know when to shift haha? Or does he just like to cruise around in 4th gear going 110 on a 300cc bike 😂

I want a motorcycle so bad 😩 I'm leaning towards a Harley Davidson Iron 883. Thoughts??

If he wasn't speeding in the first clip, why is it zoomed in where you can't see the speedo when he's driving. But when he's stopped, its zoomed out enough for you to see it

@Daimxn

3 жыл бұрын

To put focus on the van cutting him off. I'm not saying he wasn't speeding but thats what came to mimd

1:45 thats scared the sh*t outta me

Dobrze

The lady saying, “you were in the blinds pot honey” that’s why you check over your shoulder

01:46 - How did he not let out a little shrill scream?

3:41 - changing lanes in an intersection is illegal in most states.

@shorelinerider

Жыл бұрын

It's a bad idea anywhere.

4:27 he is on the 101 near the cardinals stadium near where i live

Those people in the white SUV... were they on something? It seems, quite concerning honestly. Lol

Wiah i could understand half these.....

love the cb1100. sucks that lady traveled 3 lanes and blamed it on a "blind spot"

4:19 😆😆😆👍🏻

Everyone have a lovely day :)

First vid: - Hauling ass - truck cuts him - arguing he wasn't hauling ass - gets away and hauling ass.

ZAHN🤣🤣👍👍

1:46 Darth Vader seems lost