Every generation has the music it deserves

@jdmresearch

10 ай бұрын

haha, i know what u did there: "every country has the government it deserves"

@EdgardoPlasencia

10 ай бұрын

@@jdmresearch unconsciously maybe.

@ChasingTone666

3 ай бұрын

That’s the absolute best comment ever. So so true.

@bassfan41

2 ай бұрын

These days, I couldn't agree more

@JackPullen-Paradox

2 ай бұрын

Possibly, every generation has the music its parents deserved.

THANK YOU ! 1984 was supposed to be a warning not an instruction manual ... In solidarity with the fighters for peace, love, freedom, justice and truth, we express our feelings with music on our channel. Greetings from Germany, CLUB OF THE UNCENSORED POETS

Andy you are brilliant, much better than a stand-up comic. I've never laughed so much in a long time, in fact I was crying with laughter. You are a genuine character and there aren't many of those these days. Where are the Viv Stanshalls with flashing epaulettes ?. They are nowhere to be found. You are definitely deserving of a little tip for your efforts.

@PaulBergen

10 ай бұрын

yes, the biscuits video is one of the funniest things I have seen (and seen and seen) in my life!

@progperljungman8218

10 ай бұрын

Exactly! We are a blessed segment of humanity that can reach and enjoy his stuff due to our personal taste in music.

Agree that the blues is missing from modern pop compared with the 70s but HARD disagree that "it is not about chord progressions". In the 70s you hard Steely Dan on the radio, now you have 2-chord reaggaton vamps...Try to tell me there is no difference in harmonic sophistication between Steely Dan or Gino Vanelli and Ed Sheran and the Weeknd. You can't. Even "lighter" pop artists like the Carpenters or Burt Bacharach are SO much more harmonically sophisticated than modern pop. The real problem is that everything is loop now. If everything has to be a vamp that just loops endlessly, your harmonic options get a lot smaller. I want to add that I very much enjoy your video and hearing your views. I'm impassioned enough to rant about them in the comments. Very engadging. Well done. You figured out KZread.

-Have you heard the news? -What news? -Can't afford no shoes! 😊

@kenlyon8285

10 ай бұрын

What do you call a drummer without a girlfriend? ................... ...........homeless

@shipsahoy1793

4 ай бұрын

@@kenlyon8285 🤔that's cold😆🥁 I thought the answer was "the one that also plays bass and knows music theory"😂

Another good one Andy. Made me smile. Hang in there brother!

This was a fun video Andy, the the Live Chat was a hoot too, where a few of us decided that Rick shall be affectionately referred to as “Click Baito” which was sort of initially ClickBait King Rick Beatto, final moniker “Click Baito” coined by a gal whose name is escaping me now, sorry.😵‍💫

@davidmontgomery5047

4 ай бұрын

And Don't forget Frampton Comes Alive is the GOAT ....Yeah Right .

We may be older, but I like to think that we have a youthful disposition, wisdom, and are hip to what's going on. Unlike kids who turn up at flea markets and car boot sales expecting to buy vinyl records without cash.

@erikheddergott5514

10 ай бұрын

Isn’t that exactly what we did, besides buying Cut-Outs from the Dust Bin? Or do you mean literally Cash?

@lupcokotevski2907

10 ай бұрын

@@erikheddergott5514 Literally cash. A lot of them assume you have an electronic payment device.

Simply refreshing! Thank you so much!

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

10 ай бұрын

You are so welcome!

Really great, insightful and funny video! So raw & honest. Actually motivated me to support you and a couple other of my favorite but not super successful KZreadrs. Keep it up mate!

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

10 ай бұрын

I really appreciate that!

@sat1241

10 ай бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Sometimes I have that thought "how can Rick listen to all this uninteresting formulaic recent pop crap" but I realize he has this other dimension of appreciation of production and engineering nuances outside of the boring composition. If the whole song is distasteful he might find one element in it that is well executed (but also critical of other elements) He can also appreciate a good melody say by somebody like Adele or Olivia Rodrigo. Some of the melodies are exceptional and that can be harder to conceive than if someone was assigned the task of making a prog rock song that has odd time signatures, exotic scales and altered chords. Writing a good melody can be a more mysterious process. And jazz musicians were able to take some pop songs use them to improvise over and elaborate o (although these old standards had much better harmony). You also can find better harmony in rock and pop songs that are not in the top 100. However the top songs on Spotify are culturally significant so he reviews them Getting more views could also be an element, It's hard to say but Beato was a producer of pop music and his own band pop-grunge, sort of like Pearl Jam. That would make a good video to review his 1999 album. Billionaire - Ascension. It's on youtube ( but you are not going to like it) Nevertheless it shows his interest in artists like Pat Metheny, Holdsworth and Jarrett are just one side of him he also does have a love for well produced rock and pop going so far to found a band of that type of music, not jazz or fusion and go on tour. And these To 10s he also does often point out boring and overused chord progressions and other deficiencies. I think it's good he does these Top 10s because he is respectful even of bad music and maybe some pop artist or producer might try to make something slightly more interesting.

Really listened to this carefully, and I related to a lot of it. One point I feel that is relevant and I want to point out is that regardless of the "objective" quality of the music, each generation has the power to choose *their* music and that music will be ever after interwined with their identities and their lives from those formative years. That's going to be more important than the structure or the sophistication. If you've ever heard the famous opening riff of Beethoven's fifth, you can never hear those same notes in that order again. Same with "the lick." Context is incredibly powerful. While I am very interested in music of all types and appreciate when it is well produced and written, and absolutely want to support that, I also understand that there will always be a place for cotton candy and popcorn.

@wavewithus4081

10 ай бұрын

Also in music, I believe over 95% of people just want the popcorn and candy. And that's fine too. Just something we (those who appreciate complex music more) tend to forget sometimes that most people don't 'think' about music like we do, they just consume it and are fine with that. And the candy always tastes good, the caviar is only for rare moments and doesn't pair well with their hunger most days. And tbh now that I've been making 'complex' music for years I have become more and more interested in the process of making actual good 'candy'. Sure its more formulaic but there's a LOT of skill and prequisites needed to make a song (sound) like that. It's only nice to make a song that you can let friends or family enjoy lol. Some songs I worked weeks on and am so proud, I get literally 0 reaction from them. A quick and lazy but fun and catchy bop I made in an hour? They'll smile listening to that. There's something nice about that too, making music can feel incredibly lonely and painful when you make tunes you love but nobody else (in my social circle) gives a damn about. I've talked about that with fellow rock/metal/prog musicians and they all feel lonely and negative about the musical space and music communities. Feeling unappreciated or 'lonely' as a musician seems incredibly common. Even in 'real life' I find it incredibly hard to really connect with other musicians beyond the superficial 'yeah lets follow eachother and do stuff' -its rare anything comes of it. But I guess that's a topic for another thread lol

If I have to be a world class producer, world class musician, for a living and reputation to find something positive in a song so I can possibly enjoy listening to it. I check out. When Rick says "wow, a real guitar." I know I will never listen to it beyond what Rick will subject us to on his video. Unfortunately, Rick has retired his, "What Makes This Song Great", largely because of KZread's algorithm and strikes.

@jimmycampbell78

10 ай бұрын

Very true and I also miss that brilliant series RB did.

@rickbutterfield2358

10 ай бұрын

Maybe Twitter will allow it in future app

@shitmandood

10 ай бұрын

Without even thinking about it, I’ve never had an urge to listen to the Beato 10 after watching one of those videos. It’s just shallow, disposable music. I figure it mirrors its generation… the hollow men.

Sorry to see you wound up. You should set up a KZread 'super thanks' thing. Have a deek at it, I've seen other KZreadrs use it and I've clicked a few times when that's an option. At least it wasn't cat wee, that'd be worse. I love when you get giddy in this video, the snare behind you rings in agreement. I'm not old (well I'm in my early 50's and that's not old!) Again, what a treat to dip into your channel. 15:22 "What musicians want" Andy throws in some high-level distilled insight in a handful of sentences. Blink and you'll miss it. Genius. Love and Light dude.

so good of you to be helping out Ricky ! 😂

I gave up on radio years ago. My music collection is large enough that I do not need radio. When I was a kid radio was actually quite good. I had my ears glued to WABC-AM. Lots of great R&B and pop tunes. Long before auto-tune and drum machines. It was real musicians playing real instruments. That was a great music foundation for me. I then graduated to WNEW-FM and full album sides. A great learning experience for me as an impressionable young kid. I do not stream and have absolutely no use for today's pop music. I come from a different era and that's OK.

Beginning of the video: "Woke up this morning..." End of the video: "It's all about the blues". Great narrative structure!

I'm turning 50 next week and am still finding things I like. Snooper, En Attendant Ana, billy woods to name three artists/groups in different genres. Ive never been much of a classic rock fan, though.

I think the reason Rick has gotten some currency out of pointing out how bad new pop is is because it is objectively getting dumber, and he is technically analyzing these songs and pointing out objective reasons why they are boring. Same chord progression reused, 2-note melodies, reliance on autotune, quantized, no tempo changes or dynamics, no key changes. His video on the decline of key changes in pop was very illuminating. He's not just some old man ranting about how he liked the old days. He is factually correct. I want to add though, that I've never seen him point out how musically dumb, tepid, and repetitive 50s pop for teenagers was. Oh Dannah / Earth Angel ...that was a vile period when everyone was making the same sachrine song with the same chord progression.

@ericmckayrq

10 ай бұрын

@@defcreator187 couldn’t agree more. I could spend every waking moment of the rest of my life mining through awesome 70s music I haven’t heard before and never get through a fraction of it..Even if I just stuck to one genre I like such obscure jazz fusion or library music. Agree with you about the 80s too. I was born in 1980 so as a teenager it was too close to me, and the production sounded dated and corny...Looking back at 80s music now (at 43) it sounds refreshing different and can’t believe how much fantastic stuff there is that I have barely begun to sift through

@stuartraybould6433

10 ай бұрын

Sounds like the new Steven Wilson single and I'm not joking.

@ericmckayrq

10 ай бұрын

@@stuartraybould6433 What does it sound like? Is it musically interesting?

@stuartraybould6433

10 ай бұрын

@@ericmckayrq Look, it's on KZread. It's the same all the way through, first 30 seconds and you've heard it all, nothing happens.

I'm not old. I'm just wise

How about the Andy Edwards & Rick Beato "Buddies Talking Music Show" !

Maybe Rick is more successful because he gets to the fkn point

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

10 ай бұрын

probably

@drj602

4 ай бұрын

😂

@JackPullen-Paradox

2 ай бұрын

Question: what are you doing, looking for information, or looking for entertainment along with your information?

Brilliant! You cracked a very sensitive subject here. We're eternal rockers who have to kick the man in the balls. We just have to kick someone in the nuts. Right now it's crap music we want to kick. Love RB, but love AE just a bit more. Rick is nice and Hi Fi, Andy is the angry and Lo Fi.

70 so far. Top concerts I saw were Gentle Giant, Leo Kottke, John Prine, Graham Parker, Alan Jackson, Weather Report, and eclectic on and on.

It reminds me of techno rave music of the early 90s that was really about that point in time and the scene. Who’s still listening to the Shamen or Praga Khan? That’s popular music right now. There’s a lot of great music still being made that isn’t marketed as much.

@seabud6408

10 ай бұрын

Ha! Funnily enough had a .. The Shaman .. listening session a couple of days ago. How many ways can one song be mixed? Heal the separation! ✌🏼

Great stuff Andy. BTW are you familiar with the Swedish jazz rock outfit Tonbruket?

First of all, I have been enjoying your videos for some time. Great stuff, always very funny and insightful! I thought you were going to take different stance towards modern pop music. Something like: the old generation just doesn’t understand the culture and music of the younger generation. But you didn’t, and I think that is very refreshing. The music of today is just very bad😅!

Enjoyed that.

"Awful autotuned crud." That's the best description of today's music i've heard.

@shitmandood

10 ай бұрын

Tasteless, odorless, crud. And remember: Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

@Stringer13ell

10 ай бұрын

Autotuned suggests there's a tune. The absence of melody in much of todays music is depressing

@gregcable3250

4 ай бұрын

Exactly--I would respectfully emend to "Awful, droning, composition-free, musicianship-poor, talent minimalist, autotuned crud".

Hi Andy. I wish I could afford to support you in your patroon channel. The more I hear, the more I like it. In another life, I would have been a professional musician and lecturer in music, esp ethnomusicology. I ended up studying other subjects at school and my being an active musician started with teaching myself guitar at the age of 14 (with a little help from my friends) rather than the orchestral instruments being taught at my school. When I got into playing Celtic and Australian folk music while studying Environmental Science at uni, I started diversifying into percussion, other stringed instruments and wing instruments incl tin whistle, flutes and harmonica. Then I got into World music, firstly with darabukka and bouzouki then later with oud and saz. Most band I have playing in have been folk but I have recently played in a Paddy Punk band and now I am the lead guitarist in Surf La Casbah which plays rock, ska, reggae and wold music. During all this time, I was a fan of progressive rock such as Mahavishnu Orchestra and Jethro Tull. One of the things I like most is your comments about the psychology, philosophy and sociology of music.

" I'm sure Rick Beato has someone to pick up his cat crap..." , just floored me😅😅😅. Comedy genius.

@winstonschwarz1636

4 ай бұрын

But why is the cat crapping on the carpet? Don’t blame the cat!

I used to know someone who was about twenty years older than myself, he was therefore a teenager in the 50's at the start of rock and roll, he once said to me that as ridiculous as Bill Haley looked, like your dad at a party, he played music that was nothing like your dad would play, and when rock and roll took off he, and many of his generation were so happy they now had music that was theirs, it want their parents hand me downs, it belonged to them, it defined their generation, it was a big 'fuck you" to all that had gone before. I think the film Elvis captures that moment in time very well too. I recently re watched Easy Rider, and it struck me how ground breaking that film plus soundtrack (especially Steppenwolf) was, how it defined the next generation, the counter culture, that rebellion against establishment. I then thought, "where is that type of film today? " As you say, the generation of today have become establishment, we are still wanting to kick against it, they are embracing it and the whole music industry has become sterile, nobody is reaching for more. I do feel that there is an awakening in the younger generation however, that will kick out at this shit eventually, I'm always heartened at record fairs to see teens buying records, at one recent one I saw a young guy buying Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain, that made my day and I had to chat with him, a lovely kid. One good thing about the age of Spotify and KZread is that all music is accessible, youths tired of the bollocks of the charts can find what their parents and grandparents were listening to and get into it.

Boy you are making it SOOoo tempting to click away. BUT I'm fascinated by the confessed desperation LOL.

I haven't heard enough to be sure. I now listen to "rock" from every decade. What I hear when I listen to the top 10 of Rick Beato's is monotonal, creamed background music. It blends into the background. This is top ten according to Spotify or whatever, but is it really top ten? I can't imagine that it is. The teenagers of today have a vast catalog to go through. Perhaps they are going through that catalog the way we are and picking only a few from the current crop, enough maybe to support a meager record industry that has lost its way.

To be fair, Ozzy had left Black Sabbath by the time he was gobbling on bats - it was Blizzard of Ozz times when he was chomping on winged mammals.

@richardmace1428

10 ай бұрын

It all started at some record company do where he bit the head off a dove and then moved onto bats at a gig when one was thrown on stage although he claims he thought it was a fake.

@shitmandood

10 ай бұрын

If he Randy Rhoads didn’t play for Ozzy, he’d still be alive today.

@Drinckx2

10 ай бұрын

@@richardmace1428 Yes. Had to have rabies’ shots following the bat incident. Eating such poorly considered things played havoc with his digestive system and he ended up with diarrhoea of a madman.

What about just taking the mat where the cat had crapped on and lift it outside for a while? Then clean later.

While I love Rick B, I don't like his "music today is rubbish" type of rant. As you say at the beginning, 70s music, while under some criteria could be considered 'objectively better', the fact of the matter it's the music we grew up with. And that's the whole difference, really. Take my dad. He thought Miles Davis lost his musicianship reputation with Bitches Brew, and perhaps a few years before it. Bitches Brew! A masterpiece in my opinion. But "Miles Davis today is rubbish!", dad said. Well, I might be my dad now. Who knows. Another example, Hans Keller, when interviewing the Floyd in 67 famously asked them "Why is your music so terribly loud!?" Was he wrong? In fact, he ended the interview with "my verdict is that it is a little bit of a regression to childhood - but, after all, why not?" This would fit my description of most today music....

@boq780_2.0

10 ай бұрын

His verdict sounds fair, if you look at it objectively

Second and third order algorithms. The actual spotify tunes are the outcome of say first order algorithmic analysis, to maximally target the top of spotify. Its an anecdote that public taste and opinion at large is the result of algorithmic marketing, exposure, and managed optionality. Then come the reactions. A deriviate algorithmic phenomenon that, like you said, introduces conflict, or better yet the Hegelian dialectic. Thesis (pedestrian or even offensive products), antithesis (disapproving reactions), and eventually synthesis (conciliatory counter reactions? or algorthimic adjustments for slightly higher caliber output?) The 2 main lessons I'm getting from all this are a bit harrowing personally. One, If we accept that culture is largely the dynamics of art and ideas interacting with the public and measuring the effects those arts and ideas have on the public, then we can say the culture right now is manufactured and highly managed. If not directly by A.I., it is an A.I. compatible construct so that down the road the eventual transition to more A.I. will be seamless. We will not need a Rick Beato in his studio, we can just have a Beato-esque counterpoint entity that can analyze and identify the pros and cons of A.I. generated songs, and suggest through this public feedback mechanism how to improve the A.I. to resemble more of the human zig-zags of creativity of the past. And the spectating public will not even think much that they're just getting some nuts and bolts of this self referential, self correcting system. It will appeal to the need for human-like conflict + resolution. Two, this is fundamentall the story of centralized vs decentralized systems, a battle already being waged in the worlds of finance, economics, and now health care. The music industry whatever forms it takes will be divided among these two opposing concepts. With centralization, the music industry already has a long history of perfecting that from top down controllers to a great extent, until the Internet and streaming services blew things up. But now, centralization is being shifted down to the level of actual creation of music and what an artist is, because A.I. by definition is incurably centralized. With it there will always be a programmed centralized controller of what goes in and what comes out, it will only have the illusion of being generated from crowd sourcing or decentralized data gathering. The fundamental technology and its relationship to business entities dictates that it will always be centralized and thus to be highly engineered, controlled, and harvested in some fashion.

Spot on

Andy ain't too proud to beg!

Biting bat heads and attempted murder of his wife, but also Ozzy allegedly pissing on the Alamo (at least here in Texas) added to what made him a household name.

I've have enjoyed the Rickster from nearly the beginning of his channel. However, I consider him a technician: he rarely ventures into emotion, lyrics, and social context, so I find the appreciation of the music limited in that sense, although his air drumming and enthused vocalisations are funny compensations.

In 1966, drummer Levon Helm left The Band for 2 years...to work on an oil rig! Of course, Andy knew this, and he slyly made a reference about working on an oil rig. This is why Andy's videos are much better than Rick's. Besides, only Andy has the Super-Something-Meter.

What's incredible is how much Rick constantly ignore John McLaughlin on his channel.

Concert videos from the 70's are now being autotuned. Keep your old DVD's. Recently i made the mistake of giving Bowie the Cat some of my chili tuna at dinner. I then was following him around the house until 2am taking care of his accidents. Poor little thing.

Better now?

Do you know Andrew?. I love all the bands you said: Yes, Genesis, Weather Report, Mahavishnu Orchestra, King Crimson. From these days, my own band Braskovia and also a Spanish Galician prog rock band called Moura. But one needs to find these days interesting music. Unfortunately modern pop music..is full of reggaeton-formular rhythms...that I dislike a lot. When I read "genesis in the 80's..." . Well, Genesis in the 80's wrote almost all in 4/4, but any of their 80's albums are much better than nowadays pop music.

Epic vid to watch at 1.5x. Everybody has to lose an important file occasionally to remember to practice good data management. At least you saw the cat droppings and didn't step in it in your bare feet. Time now to go watch Otis Gibbs for a completely different presentation and look at the music business and history.

@syn707

10 ай бұрын

Ain’t that the friggin’ truth. We learn the hard way!

Mud . The cat crept in the cat crapped out again ...

13:29 I'm gonna sample this. Next month I'll be in the top 10 in Latin America

Easy to forget that in the 60’s and 70’s (my misspent youth) there were acre-feet of crap music. Good stuff for certain, much of which I still enjoy, but there was no shortage of dreck. I imagine the ratio of gold to dross is about the same these days.

@flazjsg

10 ай бұрын

There was always a bunch of crap, but the cream rose to the top. The "cream" these days is sheet.

@hoimoitoigoi

24 күн бұрын

@@flazjsg or the cream just doesn't rise to popularity anymore

21:36 - tell it like it is, Brutha!

Rock music had a history built on blues, you are spot on there. Blues had a history built on experiences and that vein ran through rock, soul and R&B. The generation creating music today (and I realize there are exceptions) has a rather pathetic bag of references to draw upon. I recently watched a reaction video of young man watching Casablanca. His observation was that Humphrey Bogart's Rick was just like Han Solo. And that replays itself over and over when that generation listens to rock. Their references are Disney and Marvel (yes, in music) and Hip Hop. Everything they hear appears to remind them of a movie or commercial. They don't even seem to know how to approach music that is not a literal 1+1=2. Carol King made this observation many years ago "When someone of my generation hears a song, we think of a time and a place, a person. When kids of this generation hear a song they think of a video."

The comparison should be counter-culture of today (is there one?) against that of the 60's onwards rather than the most popular tracks on Spotify against classic prog/punk/grunge. Comparing the top 10 records from any week in the 1970's against what today's equivalent might be would be interesting.

Who is "Mickey" and out of what are you taking it? Do you mean you're jaggin' him (as we say in Pittsburgh)?

Youth and music has always had a connection to rebellion, and wanting to be distinctive, for maybe hundreds of years. Modern music is just further along the road. It's a rebellion even against itself. As graffiti is to wall art.

Andy, have you listened to Shintokumaru by J.A.Caesar?

Have you heard the news? (What news? Oo-whatta-news!) Can't afford no shoes Donation done. Thanks for the channel

Cat Crap Fever, now now meowwwww...Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm a Dad...

If you’re asking whether KZreadrs whore themselves, the answer is that some of them do. After a while of watching what someone does, you can figure it out. More power to the ones who chose wisely at the start and figured out how to offer something that people are interested in that is sustainable without having to be reshaped. Because in almost every case, my first interest as a viewer is the subject, not the ‘personality’ bringing it to me. Beato, to me, me long ago crossed the line between a great and interesting take on things and whatever be next needed to do to keep people watching.

the struggle is real. the salve is ephemeral

Hi Andy, as someone else has mentioned, are you aware that older classic rock and pop songs are being auto-tuned by music companies? Perhaps a reaction video to that! Look into it. Also, I think hip-hop was actually the main problem. With the rise of hip-hop, most performers and producers were not "professional" musicians, indeed many hip hop producers had little to no music training, no music theory, and could not play musical instruments. Look at the pop music of the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, into the 80s most was made and played by professional musicians and producers. Early rock n' roll was played by blues, western swing, and country artists. the early 60s and instrumental and surf rock really gave rise to the garage band which also morphed into the punk movement. But even within the punk movement there were some serious artists and lyrical poets. Early hip hop producers had little knowledge of the music prior. As a result modern pop music is devoid of much musical value.

@MsFreshadenu

10 ай бұрын

Hip hop did basically what the Nashville number system did for inexperienced artists and musicians. Hip hop is a different lane. It comes from a different context, has a variety of potential, puts forth it's own intentions and has varied tiers of performance. Jazz came before rock and roll. Bill Haley and the comets did not push further a musical venture Duke Ellington had not gone previously. Run DMC with Sucks MCs brought us eventually to OutKast with The Love Below/Speakerboxx among others. I could spend hours defending hip hop but I will not defend auto tune.

Mixed feelings on Beato. Obviously very talented as a musician and educator. But he seems to approach music as a producer, not as an aficionado. So his WMTSG list is kind of bland. I will give him points for finding something good about Nu-Metal. All of his picks have had some mainstream success, there's nothing indie or very alternative and it's very white. If he wants to rock out to Toto's Rosanna, it his list. But with his platform, it seems like he would want to push some great songs that not everyone has heard a million times. I wish current music had some edge and challenged the listener. But I'm not sure if Beato's helping in that regard.

Andy please make this to a series of where you respond to Beato's top song reactions

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

10 ай бұрын

I might do that...I might do a proper reaction video

@sinenkaari5477

10 ай бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Haha yep :D this video was breaking the expections pretty hard

Andy's lamenting the emptiness of modern pop music. I lived through the 70's and I can tell you that it may have been the worst decade ever for pop music. The people who look back on that decade as some sort of golden age are welcome to it. There was a generous assortment of dreck on pop stations (bad disco, half-assed one hit wonders, etc) that I will not miss.

@RichardSmith-ot3zk

10 ай бұрын

I remember Todd in the Shadows observing that what most people were listening to in the 70s was sappy and bland, but the good music that was out there was so much better. I think it was his One Hit Wonderland on Debby Boone-- You Light Up My Life was the #1 hit of the 70s in the States. My complaint about pop music is not that it's bad. I don't care if people listen to bad music or not. It's that there's not much there for grown-ups. Much of it comes through Disney now. There's not much that anyone will be listening to even a few years from now. Up until the mid 2000's a reasonably adventurous adult could find something on the charts that they liked, even if some of it wasn't very good. These days it's hard going.

@stuartfishman1044

10 ай бұрын

@@RichardSmith-ot3zk Todd In The Shadows has done some fun programming. His video on the Beach Boys album that was basically a Mike Love project was particularly good.

I'm old, relatively speaking (nearing 50), but I firmly believe in being open-minded. I hate the *style* of most modern pop, but am trying to see through it. And well, it's easy to point to the stuff that repeats all the time, but there's almost always a lot of monotony in popular music (take the second half of the 18th century in Europe, the time of Haydn, Mozart and early Beethoven, and try to listen to a collection of popular works, if possible, without singling out the works that stand out to us in retrospect... Harmony and instrumentation would appear almost as repetitive as the chord loops and tresillo beats of pop charts today). Still, there are ups and downs. The 1970s and thereabouts stand out as a high point in pop music. 2022 was pretty godawful on the whole, but there's a noticeable improvement in 2023. More generally, there is always lots of junk, and there are always some gems hiding in it. I wouldn't blame anyone for not wasting their time on listening to current pop, but if you do, or if it's forced on you (as it is on me, every time I go to the local gym...), try to be open-minded, and not dismiss stuff automatically.

@JackPullen-Paradox

2 ай бұрын

There was a period in the early 90s I think that was really the music doldrums for me. Kind of like now.

When I think of Blues I think of Alvin Lee!

There are two kinds of Art: Art and art for sale. Few know the difference.

@richardthurston2171

10 ай бұрын

What is the difference? And for that matter is there a difference between art and Art?

Andy, you know that you have arrived when you have someone to clean up your cats crap.

Brilliant - Monty Pythonish!

I think we need to hear from Rick Beato about whether he gets someone to remove his cat's shit.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

10 ай бұрын

He gets Nuno Bettencourt to come round and deal with it

@Drinckx2

10 ай бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer I got Nuno round to clean my car. Did a terrible job, windows covered in smears. Yngwie Malmsteen turned up to polish my gold jewellery: never saw it again!

@jonhowe2960

10 ай бұрын

@@Drinckx2 Joe Bonomassa cleaned my air ducts. Truly sucked.

So funny, I’ve watched Rick’s channel for years, but I only decided to watch his last top 10 video because I saw that you responded to it. I figured, “Whoa, Rick must of got cheeky, better check it out first!”. Your clickbait got me to watch his clickbait! All worth it though, you had me laughing the whole time!

Much of the time the music has nothing to do with the lyrics and vice-versa! I'll go a bit over the top here and say they cannot compose a good instrumental because they don't know how to tell a story only with instruments. And modern arrangements mostly such! That's it folks! 🐷

@derekgreenwood9672

10 ай бұрын

The nail has been hit upon the head!

Rick Beato, the Joe Rogan of the music business?

Just yesterday I was in a restroom at a busy public eatery, washing my hands next to a guy approx my/Andy's age, who looked to me like a musician, or at least a music fan. Just an impression. The music playing over the speaker system was something recent, and absolutely horrid. I said to him, "How did music get so horrible?" He laughed, saying, "You're not lying!"

Your cat just knew that you were having it too easy.

@JackPullen-Paradox

2 ай бұрын

I'll bet his cat coughed up a fir ball and he's overreacting just a little.

A lot of those 90s/00s Max Martin hits were bangers.

I'm 25 and watch as I'm a big John McLaughlin and jazz fusion fan. Although I do disagree that all modern pop is bad!!

Am I old? I’m 36, probably on the younger end of fans here, but I remember being young and thinking 36 was OLD, so people can tell me where I’m at with all that.. As far as the whole, “modern pop music sux” meme, I always have very mixed feelings on it, and get a bit irritated both with the Zoomers who get too angry at the often overly critical oldheads, and just as irritated (or more) with the X’ers and Boomers who think all good music was produced in the 20th century (aside from the oldheads still making music that they like). Yes, lots of pop music sucks, but a lot of it is fantastic, just as artistically fulfilling as music from the past, even if it’s obviously more indebted to the past (though everything always is). If by “pop” we just mean the top 10, then sure, these criticisms are much more valid imo. If we mean “pop music”, in a more general, and/or academic sense, then no, I do not think these criticisms hold as well. I think rock music is the healthiest it’s been in years, it’s just that these artists don’t make the charts the way rock artists used to. The age of “rock stars” is pretty much over, but all I really care about is if great records are being put out. If you’re a fan of experimental and progressive rock, pop, metal, electronic, etc, you literally have a FEAST of great artists/albums right now. I think some older people think this is wrong bc they don’t know how to find it, and I’m sympathetic to that, but I’m not sympathetic to the notion it’s not there, because it is. Anyway, many of Andy’s points are definitely correct, even objectively, but many are subjective, and I think come down to perspective. Tbf, he indirectly makes this clear enough. I like many of the points about how the booms are reacting to the zooms, a bit of self criticism perhaps, but I just think I can’t agree that “Nietzsche is gone, that was the past, and now ego (as if Nietzsche wasn’t a big time egoist) is the force driving of pop music.” Are things more materialistic in pop music now? I’m really just not sure.. Don’t forget the 80s happened, and pop (and hair meta) were very driven by ego/the self/materialism. Also, where hiphop is concerned, “the bling era” was when I was in high school, and well past it’s peak, while many of the most popular rappers today are much more conscious of their lyrics (eg, possibly the biggest hiphop artists, Kendrick Lamar). I just think these things are a bit more messy and complicated than any KZread video under an hour can speak to, especially given one has to dig into so many aspects of why/how things have changed. That’s not just a cultural and generational question (though it is that), but maybe more so it’s a product of changes in the industry, economy, in technology, etc.. I think most of these conversations barely scratch the surface, though they’re still enjoyable enough imo.. Anyway, sorry for the essay, but I barely even touched on what I think is relevant concerning this topic… If you read this far, and think, “who the hell are these young bands you think are so great”, I’ll be happy to share. ✌️🤘

@nikolademitri731

10 ай бұрын

PS - I say “oldheads” with love. I’m an oldhead to many kids, just as I’m a young’un to my grandmother. It’s relative, and the term is tongue in cheek.. No shade.

Very funny Andy.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

4 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

I think Justin Timberlake would be mighty surprised to hear N Sync is all about the blues

Took a while to get there but you did it, Andy: "The Man is no longer a man, it's a teenager sat there listening to some awful, autotune crud!" Thank you. Hope your cat is feeling better (or at least, less evil).

Omg Andy, yes...how about comparing Taylor Swift with Reelin' In The Years by Steely Dan for example? My god we've fallen a long way! No, it's not just that we are older, we know what the hell we're talking about!!! -- OMG, I didn't realize that poor old Andy was so down and out. I just figured that he was a mega star like, well you know, Rick Beato....making tons of money per video?? I'm utterly gobsmacked!

Rick doesn’t actually slag it off. It’s just Clickbait and he doesn’t want to offend what is left of the music biz.

4 a week? I post twice a week of book, event, culture, movie reviews. That is hard enough.

It’s a bunch of crap. Great video Andy.

Even the bad songs were great 50 years ago. Great bands and greater studio musicians.

Andy I think your cat is trying to tell you something. More cuddles and cat treats and fewer videos. Quality time Andy. Quality time.

Shoeless, footloose, cat flap, doo doo, video gold news, Bung Andy a tip, like, comment, become a patreon, buy cat proof shoes. Thoughts for the chiropodist and those pedicure KZread blues.

Who is Rick Beato and why do a million people watch his videos? I don't get it. I did enjoy his Pat Metheny interview but that's because it was Pat Metheny.

@shitmandood

10 ай бұрын

The big interviews are good. I’ll give Beato that.

Apparently the term 'jazz' is also a sexual euphemism. Duke Ellington advocated the leaving behind of the term as he felt that the music had been elevated to the point of such origins being unworthy of it. I'm not sure how much traction that idea had in his lifetime, but it seems unlikely now for the term to ever lose its currency.

@cjsevalez

10 ай бұрын

The term "jazz mag" was a common colloquialism in my neck of the woods when I was a kid. Not sure, how extensive that usage is though.

‘Cruel Summer’ is a good pop song.

I stopped listening to pop music a few decades ago. It's been "rubbish" as you say for quite some time IMHO. The good news is there is a lot of great music to be found from a variety of sources. I honestly can't remember the last time I listened to the radio in my car because that's not where music is anymore. I don't listen to the Spotify Top Ten, but from watching people like you and Rick I know I'm not missing anything. I don't know what this pop "music" (maybe it's the anti-music) is or who listens to it, but it's not really music, and it's clearly not meant for people who like music, it's a different art form perhaps. Again, I'm not sure what is, but if you're trying to evaluate it in the context of what has historically defined music, that is melody, harmony, composition, virtuosity, etc., it simply doesn't really qualify as music, does it? I'm not sure why we even debate the issue.. if you like music there's great music out there to be found quite easily, so let's celebrate that.

I think there is as much good music as ever (though not as dangerous). The problem is that the mainstream used to be broader and richer - now the mainstream is crap.

I was surprised that you didn't (and even Rick didn't) mention the absence of "musicianship" in modern music. What happened to the endless hours of practice to refine your talent? THAT's what I think is "missing". NO TALENT REQUIRED!

I watched Rick's video and was, as ever, amazed by his patience and even positive comments on these records/piles of shite. I did not hear one clever tune, one memorable riff, one thought provoking lyric and all the chord sequences are formulaic. Like TV, films and fine arts all the manufacturers (I won't say creators) of this stuff just copy and paste, copy and paste. There is good music out there (Idles, Khruangbin etc) but it doesn't get in the charts; for that you have to be a half naked pole dancer who writhes around covered in bling and with a whiny attitude. Oh, for another "Good Vibrations" or even "Ghost Town"...

ha, ha ha

Oh no, cat crap fever! You know what that is: Bast the ancient Egyptian cat goddess reminding you not to worry about Rick Beato or rubbish laptop pop. 😺 (PS: Who wouldn't attempt to strangle Shazza Osborne eventually? Joke! Joke! Blimey...)

Ugh. I’m hoping someone will put up a video one of these days defending modern pop music in the face of the old fart army who think everything was better when they were 18. My wife’s granddad thought the Beatles were a talentless abomination. The best song on Beato’s old and new lists is, of course, Let’s Get It On. The second is Billie Eilish’s shrewd “What Was I Made For?”. The modern reggaeton stuff is a bit cliched but that ancient Chicago track is vapid, tuneless MOR while Maureen McGovern’s schlock is best left in 1973 where it belongs. The kids are alright.

Beato is in the pocket of the industry. Sickening to watch. Everybody has a price and virtually no one can be trusted to not be bought by the promise of improving their status. Shite sells because we're told to to buy it and anyone who tries to sell something better is eventually bought or buried.

Those are my least favorite Beato videos because he ends up liking most of the songs.

@shitmandood

10 ай бұрын

It’s old man camouflage. 😆