This may be blasphemous, but when I heard about Asia (Howe, Wetton, Downs, Palmer), I had such high hopes for a new Prog offering, bought it before I heard any of it. I put it on the turntable, listened to both sides, and picked up the album and threw it across the room. Am I the only one who has this kind of response?

@3243_

Жыл бұрын

Almost like my response when I bought the GTR album in 1986 and had my high hopes for it shot down when I first played it. The first Asia album was respectable by comparison.

@BrennanYoung

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Asia, GTR and UK all aimed low and missed.

@3243_

Жыл бұрын

Actually, UK were good and did make two good albums in the late '70s IMHO.

@frankalfar

Жыл бұрын

UK? The first album is one of the greatest prog albums ever made.

@volpeverde6441

Жыл бұрын

yeah....i looked at the cover and although the songs were short, I thought there would be a drama/red/works vibe.... howe, wetton and palmer....playing 80's pop garbage....'heat of the fuckin' moment'.... there goes YES, CRIMSON and E.L.P.

Zappa nails Hubbard on Joe's Garage with L Ron Hoover and the church of Appliantology.

@volpeverde6441

Жыл бұрын

'this is the central scroooootiniser....'

@limpusshrimpus9810

Ай бұрын

Tell me more about this please

just started a grapphic error on this video...sorry! Why is it Yes always outstay their welcome.....

@sPi711

3 ай бұрын

That's the only thing you could have said as an explanation to having that "Heaven & Earth" album pasted on for so long. Good God!

@TTFMjock

2 күн бұрын

One p in graphic. Maybe you were thinking of sapphic?

Angry Andy is hilarious Andy.

Your Phil Collins album review, “aimed at a brain-dead housewife market”… can’t stop laughing at this. This is some next level Lester Bangs music criticism stuff! 😂

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Жыл бұрын

I do only say this stuff to get a laugh you know

@ambientideas1

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Mission accomplished. Best laugh I’ve had all week. I will never listen to Phil Collins in quite the same way.

@jedtulman46

Жыл бұрын

Ing after Scientology.. good show

@stuartfishman1044

Жыл бұрын

Lester Bangs once called Peter Frampton's music "Heavy Metal for housewives".

The price of "Space Jazz" on Discogs just doubled. Oh, and Gayle Moran IS on that album as well.

I had to look up Space jazz - and Wow is it bad - but hilariously so, it's basically the perfect soundtrack to Scientology and it also reminded me of Ross in friends with his "Sound". But there is an album by Chick Corea Electric Band called "To the stars" that I just ignored when it was released cause it was inspired by novel by Hubbard - but when I finally listened to it many years after it was released I was blown away - it's one of the best Electric Band albums and the total opposite of the crap that Space jazz is.

You are so funny. But spot on! You should be on TV. Rick Beato should have you on his channel. But I don't know how he would handle you when you go off. I'm sure it would massively enertaining... 80s Prog put me off Prog until Porcupine Tree arrived. And even then, it was a few albums in. Fripp/Crimson were like single thin line keeping my hope alive. 80s Jazz I cut the line altogether. Keep up the good work! PS - I'd love to see your Mom on the channel. As crazy as they make you, enjoy your time with them.

Before you got to Scientology and Chick Corea, I was going to send you a message to perhaps to discuss the role or impact different religions have had on jazz and fusion music (or all music) and musicians over time. Full disclosure, I’m a devout agnostic atheist (whatever that means), mid level jazz pianist/composer who loves jazz fusion and still looks to Chick Corea as my unbridled hero and idol. Have heard you and so many describe music in spiritual effect terms…which I’ve probably improperly used that word to describe how I feel when listening to Chick, RTF, Electric Band, Pat Metheny, Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter…Earth Wind and Fire and so on. I’ve defined that incredible sense of eternal pleasure as “spiritual”…again probably the wrong word for a physiological reaction to sound. Anyway, between Christianity, Buddhism, Scientology and other wacky mythical influences…wondered if you would ever take that on. Apologies if you already have previously. BTW…I was raised Episcopalian (Anglican as my Bahamian wife calls it)…if that matters on the religious influence front. Thanks. 😎

That Chick Corea impression on the phone to L Ron was simultaneously channeling Irish and Scouse as much it was American. Pissing myself 😂😂 Superb !!!

@kevincamppbell804

Жыл бұрын

Bought battlefield earth soundtrack to the book . . Great album of utter nonsense.... especially tap dancing horse!!!

Thanks for taking one for the team. Listening to awful music so we don’t have to. Please keep your mom safe. You only have one mom.

I love the Sea of Tranquility name drop in this one. Both Andy and Pete Pardo have fantastic channels.

Thank you Andy. Absolutely hilarious video! Loved and lived it. You get better and better at this talking about music lark.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Жыл бұрын

Yes...I am finding my stride now....I know the diference between a funnt video and a serious video, and the audience know that difference too. When I checked the video the Yes album graphic was over my face and there to long. But I left it in, My plan for Yes was not actually talk about them at all...So the idea that they are there outstaying their welcome I found quite apt so I left it in. I would not have done that last year

Sounds like a great idea to get your mother on the channel if she's interested. You could maybe ask her about your own musical life from her point of view, for instance. And maybe if you quiz her directly about the things she loves there might be some surprises? Some musical, maybe? Or music from her childhood? My own mom is getting on in years, too. She was going to be a singer for a while when she was young. Opera at first, I think, but the jobs were all "singing the old songs" at lounges. "Pop jazz". When they were little the people with the ox wagon doing their centenary came through the "drift" (ford) at the "river" of their town (in that area it would've normally been just a dip into a hole in the ground, and back out soon after), and all five of them (at the time - there were more of them later) lined up there and sang for them. And then they demanded money for this. (Same town, my aunt - mom's little sister - one day decided to tell everyone it was her birthday, because she was in a birthday kind of mood. So someone decided there should be a party and went home for a concertina or something. And then someone else brought a gramophone and some records, and next thing they'd all moved to the local hall and people were arriving in their best clothes, and danced the night away, long after the "birthday girl" had to go home because it was late. I think some people even found a birthday present for her. That's how it's always been (maybe even more so when there was less click and play music available than now) music, music, music, and life weaves itself into that. (Or maybe it's the other way round.) Maybe your mom has some stories she hasn't yet told? (That's almost impossible, isn't it? Past a certain age only the best stories remain, and you get to hear them over and over again. I suppose that's how legends came to be long ago. Maybe that's how some of the old songs even came to be. Someone started singing the story they'd heard so many times.)

There's an album from jazz saxophonist Eddie Harris that has Chris Squire, Ian Paice, Stevie Winwood and Jeff Beck, which sounds like it should be AMAZING. And it's absolutely horrible. Nothing works at all.

@jazzpunk

Жыл бұрын

E.H. IN THE UK I had forgotten that one. Thanks... :-)

Edgar Winter also did an L Ron Hubbard collab.. as hilariously reviewed in Todd in the Shadows'"Trainwrecords" series

@mrkrinkle72

Жыл бұрын

Todd is so great and funny!

@aliensporebomb

7 ай бұрын

Todd is hilarious- brilliant. His review of Styx “Kilroy was Here” is totally hilarious.

This is one of the funniest things I've watched in eons. I remember being so excited when Asia formed as I was a fan of Yes, King Crimson and ELP. When I heard the music I thought, "Great, a Prog version of Foreigner."

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Жыл бұрын

The scale of AOR to Prog: Foreigner>Journey>Toto>Asia>King Crimson> Henry Cow

You and Rick Dior have caused me to fall in love with jazz. Grabbing Istanbul Agop tomorrow to pair with my SQ1 in 20/12/14. Thank you.

Great video, I'm obviously prime target market audience as a middle aged bloke with a deaf Mother with a button. I spat my tea out at ''in case she falls down a well''. Nobody warns you about the constant Mother/Wells dilemma you have to deal with when you hit your 50s.

This is wonderfully insane. The yes album cover is in front of you for about five minutes around 27 mins in.

@GBsdclf01

Жыл бұрын

Had to laugh how that cover just kept hanging around in front of Andy's face

I don't care what you say about ELP nobody can take away the fact that they were the standard of musicianship that other groups were measured by especially in the early 1970s. Keith Emerson and Carl Palmer are both number one on their perspective instruments and Greg Lake is definitely one of the best singers and bass players. I agree love Beach isn't very good outside of one or two songs but that was a contractual thing😮

I think Stanley Clarke redeemed himself with the Soundtrack for Passenger 57. To be sure, it's not School Days, but give it a listen. I think it has some very thoughtful moments

@volpeverde6441

Жыл бұрын

school days is the banana spilt tune recorded on acid....

My parents, 84 and 87, are old enough to have missed all rock. They just recently discovered something they like- Johnny Cash, Kristoferson, and Willie Nelson. They had to ask if that was country music. Now when I visit I must suffer through repeated listenings of that at high volume! It’s Hell! I was happier with Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra (and an occasional Irish tenor).

@misterghee1

Жыл бұрын

Glenn Campbell might be cool2😊

Funny about Kiss, you and I ate the same age Andy, one thing I noticed is there were a lot of people like you during that era, they had a Kiss poster or whatever else Gene Simmons could market, but they had never heard a song by them, they were just drawn in by the makeup and the fantasy, because when you heard the music, at least in my case, it was like this is it? The whole bombastic persona never matched the run of the mill roxk music they made. I am not as bad with them as a friend of mine is though, he always says they misspelled their name it should be Piss.

" . . . without the Barry, and loads of White" *chef's kiss*

Great video, Andy. I couldn't stop laughing. During part of the video I was in the car, with my kids in the back, driving back from my parents house and the video was on. I'm laughing and the kids are going "what's so funny dad?". Oh, man, so many rubisgh albums like that came out in the 80's. The more pretentious they got, the more ridiculous they were. For a silly video it was an absolute delight. Loved the story about yer mom. If my mom calls me during the morning which is very unusual, I always answer the phone saying "who died?". Anyway, it was a great video! Thanks for sharing these stories. After the Chico Hamilton video I also got "The Dealer" and started listening. Brilliant album. Chico is so different. His orchasteral soundtrack "Night Beat" really threw me off. Great stuff.

KISS sales just jumped 17%.

Honorable mention: Frank Zappa- “Jazz from Hell”. From Hell indeed.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Жыл бұрын

I like that album Nite School, G Spot Tornado and St Etienne are wonderful

@olliepops1124

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, there are definitely some worse that JFH!

In 1981 Crimson had Discipline and Rush had Moving Pictures, two classic prog 80s albums. Things went downhill from there, though, even for outsider bands like them. I liked Robert Fripp's observation that in 1985 the MUSIC business became the music BUSINESS. Songs had to be short, punchy, accessible, dominated by a huge artificial-sounding kick and snare (maybe sequenced) with cheesy synths.

Trigger's Broom... took me a while, but you're so spot on! I recently read an article that ranked all of Yes's songs, yet nothing from ABWH was included. In terms of Trigger's Broom, if any of the recent Yes albums can be legitimately be attributed to a band called Yes, then the Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe album must be too. End of. PS - not seen too many of your vids, but this one did make me laugh a lot!

No Mr Acker Bilk? I guess I’ve finally gotten too old to know what bad is.

Now I want to listen to these albums on KZread. When I watch videos of bad albums, I will listen to them and wonder why the creator dislikes them . Here are two examples 1). “Love Beach” by Emerson, Lake and Palmer and 2). “The Elder” by KISS.

There should be a "Degenerate 80s Prog" playlist for education/cautionary purposes and an event where anyone in possession of one of these vynils or cassettes is invited to come and place these on a huge bonfire.

Can't really argue with any of the choices here. Wakeman should have been locked up for atrocities against good taste immediately after the aptly prescient 'Criminal Record'. Triumvirat were certainly guilty of being ELP wannabes but their '74 release 'Illusions on a Double Dimple' (a concept album about alcoholism no less) is really good. There is one great track on the Emerson, Berry & Palmer 'to the Power 3' album called 'Desde La Vida' but the remainder is audible roadkill. Kiss were at best cosplay Panto Metal. The comments about the snobbery of Jazz fans in general is right on the nail i.e. old men smelling each other's farts. The only thing that even the best of Stanley Clarke's music is missing is...a bass player who anchors the groove and doesn't solo like an ADHD shredder. God's speed to Chick, Stanley, Tom and John's spaceship.

Here's one that should have been great but was far from it. "Animal Logic". Stanley Clarke and Stewart Copeland? I'm in! Some girl singer/lyricist? Down the tubes it went.

I'm really glad your Mum is OK. Get her on the channel. I'd watch that. Great vid, as usual, btw.

Total truth here. The first time I listened to Triumvirate I started getting a headache and nausea until I turned it off. I've NEVER had that happen before or since.

The second you said Kiss, I thought you were going to going to talk about Music from "The Elder". This was their attempt at prog rock. It was the only concept album they have ever made. It's thought of as one of their worst. I don't think they any of the songs on it live.

My favourite crap "prog" album is "Bobby and Betty Go to the Moon." The dialogue is really well - recorded, and side 2 is muzack with echo and reverb and beeps.

@aliensporebomb

7 ай бұрын

OMG you have it too? I thought I was the only one with that weird thing! I had it as a kid but hearing it as an adult I thought “who on earth greenlit this?” The music is like acid rock for pre-teens. “The Party at Lunar Central” - who was hired to play that stuff?

@2wayplebney

7 ай бұрын

@@aliensporebomb it is instrumental versions of pop hits with boops, beeps and reverb. There used to be a site with useful info about this, but it appears to have gone. Shazam may identify the people responsible. I found this going for fifty pence in the crap rack of the local music store in Leeds. I bought two or three and gave them away as joke Christmas pressies for my friends, never thinking that I might actually want a copy of my own. I have since downloaded it and made a couple of mad rock tunes featuring samples, as have many other people.

"Well I should have ..." Sounds like Thelonious Monk having a stroke.

I saw ELP (California Jam, 400,000 people saw me dance naked) in 1974 and they were disturbingly perfect.

@jazzpunk

Жыл бұрын

Lucky man!!!

@ThomBoecker

Жыл бұрын

​@@jazzpunk 😂😂😂

@dennismason3740

Жыл бұрын

@@jazzpunk - yes, I am. After that human toadstool and his girlfriend pelted me with garbage for ten minutes I turned to the kid and told him I would knock his head off and they stopped throwing garbage at me and hippies were passing weed and very pure acid, as it should be. I have a magazine photo, three feet away, with a 19-year-old-me having an excellent naked time. The bands were good, as well, like Earth Wind and Fire, again, a bit perfect for my taste. Black Sabbath blew the house down (Ontario - not Canada - Motor Speedway in SoCal) - the Allmans were invited but didn't come. There is film in YT as ABC's In Concert was filming the whole 12-hour-show. So I danced nakey and I ate the acid and I made barnyard sounds as we fans shuffled through the exit tunnel and the whole tunnelful of fans made animal noises. Ask anybody who was there about the barnyard exit tunnel.

@jazzpunk

Жыл бұрын

@@dennismason3740 Great story!!! I watched ABC's IN CONCERT showing of The California Jam in the day. Seen much of the footage available on KZread...love Rare Earth (did they open the Jam?), Black Oak, Sabbath, Eagles...all of it. Back then, EW&F were new to me. Their performance is killer! ELP...great. I was a huge DP fan...still upset that Gillan/Glover were canned. So this was my first glimpse of the new guys. Coverdale seemed a little nervous(?). Glenn Hughes was just ridiculously good!

@dennismason3740

Жыл бұрын

@@jazzpunk - your list recovers more memories than mine, and I danced naked in the press (VIP) area because Wendy and I climbed the fence! Ozzie and the rest noticed. I think Seals and Croft (Summer Breeze) opened and Rare Earth was the first full band on stage. DP were fantastic once they got through the first couple of numbers. Highway Star blew the roof off, though there was no roof.

once my dad was on holiday and suddenly we got all these alarm messages out of Italy every 10 minutes. Scary. So we called his number. He answered and had no idea what we were talking about. Turned out he accidentally touched something on his apple phone that was intended to be a handy function for emergencies. Thank you Steve Jobs.

Trigger's broom = ship of Theseus

The keyboard player for Genesis is Tony Banks. It's okay Andy, now you know.

@jazzpunk

Жыл бұрын

...he didn't say Tony Kaye, right? I used to do that all the damn tine.

I found this rather amusing and smiled a lot. Fortunately, I didn't spend much time in the prog world, but I appreciate the best of the genre. I agree with the Stanley Clarke comments. "School Days" still sounds good with Ray Gomez on guitar and David Sancious on keys...Scientology is indeed extremely bizarre and any derisive comments are fully warranted.

What an inspired rant on Space Jazz. I remember listening to it while fairly hammered a few years ago and experiencing a unique blend of hilarity and revulsion for as long as I could stand it. It's astounding that musicians of such brilliance as Stanley Clarke and Chick Corea could combine to produce such rubbish.

The album cover on the shelf keeps making me think you're gonna roast Chico Hamilton next.. Lol.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Жыл бұрын

NEVER!!! A fan of the channel sent me that last week!!!

@stephencarroll230

Жыл бұрын

😂 I said the same thing! Attacking Chico would have been a sacrilege!

Thanks to my late older brother I got exposed to the full flower of '70's prog & jazz fusion in real time. Inexplicably, I couldn't "get" the Miles Davis & Return to Forever, but Genesis, Yes, ELP, Focus etc., all made my head explode. I do want to stick up for the '80's, even though many of the "A-list" prog stars were struggling, new bands were emerging, Marillion & IQ most prominently, and carried the torch as our prog "life raft" reassembled. I can appreciate the instrumental prowess of the jazz/classical guys, but DAMN, I'm squirming in my seat & glancing at my watch after about 5 minutes. A fun quote from my bro (source unknown), "all the self-professed jazz fans don't REALLY like it either." HA untrue I know but it scores directly to explode the elite snobbery of the jazz aficianado, who will throw his drink in my face.

@ThomBoecker

Жыл бұрын

I do agree that self-proclaimed jazz aficionados can be somewhat unnerving. But as with most music audiences, the true aficionados are probably less vocal about their preferences and show more tolerance regarding other genres. After all, this isn't the 1965 Newport Folk Festival...

The detailed cat story perfectly illustrated the depth of your interest in late-career Yes.😂

Thanks for the Jon Benjamin reference - best thing since Portsmouth Sinfonia ! We used to have an alto sax fitted with a really soft plastic reed easy to overblow which anyone was free to 'jam' on while us guitarists would vamp from what I remember on A and D chords and let them wail. Great fun, no experience required.

GTR was one of the Asia ripoffs with Howe (after he left Asia) and Hackett. I remember being excited to hear it and then only liking the two instrumentals. Prog should have sat out the 1980s entirely. Sure, Rush had a few ‘80s albums that were either essential or great but also had some mediocre entries.

@ctrodrums

Жыл бұрын

all rush 80 albums are awesome tho

El Rons Space Jazz is so bad it’s comically entertaining

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Жыл бұрын

Yes...it is a long way round the circle of badness/goodness

One parallel trend to the "prog-poppy" albums in the Eighties were the "smooth jazz" albums by the likes of Chuck Mangione, Larry Carlton, Ernie Watts, Lee Ritenour and the lot... Less intense but equally cringey than their prog counterparts. I remember going to a friend's house, this guy was very into ECM kind of jazz, but had just bought some Ernie Watts solo album because he was a big fan of Weather Report I guess. Well, in the cover Ernie was posing in a Hawaiian shirt over a pastel-colored backdrop to begin with. Suspicious! The needle went down and some "smooth-jazzy rhythm" came out of his high-end JBL speakers. We looked at each other. He began trying to justify the sound when... a silky woman voice started singing over Ernie's saxophone! I was cracking up for like an hour. He traded back the album the next day. 😂😂😂

Sharp nine over diminished 13? Are you insane?

In May 1984, I found a used copy of Triumvirat's 1973 album, "Illusions On A Double Dimple", for sale in an old box at a pawn shop in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. At 3-for-$1, It was one of the best 33 cents I ever invested in a previously unknown 70s prog band. I loved everything about it and I still do. Since then, however, I have not heard anything else they recorded.

KZread algorithm now thinks i want to hear more Space Jiz. Why did i check it out? Thanks Andy!

I gave this one thumbs up for Andy's enthusiasm, even though I don't really agree. For pity's sake, how many times do I have to say this? Triumvirat are nothing like ELP! *Illusions on a Double Dimple* uses horns, girl background singers, there's a sax solo and the title track is a song about a German working class guy who lost his job. In what multiverse did Emerson Lake and Palmer work that way? (Yes, *Russian Roulette* and *Ala Carte* were terrible albums.) Also, I don't know what Andy's on about with Steve Hackett!!! (Yes, 3 exclamations.) *Till We Have Faces* is a ground breaking album that, along with Ryuichi Sakamoto's music, introduced me to world music. It's so wildly imaginative that it's intoxicating, with Asian themes and Brazilian percussion-- Steve's cutting edge on that LP. It's about as uncommercial as a wax cylinder recording. Perhaps Andy has it confused with *Cured,* which does feature shorter, pop-rock songs and the (then new) Linn Drum Machine.

I saw Emerson, Lake and Palmer with a 70 piece orchestra in the late seventies. It was everything you would expect. Emerson was quite the bombastic showman and there were some majestic moments. But it was not a memorable concert experience. A bit like empty calories...

Came for the music talk, stayed for the comedy

"Till We Have Faces" had its moments that were largely problematic due to ever present disease of over the top gated reverb on nearly every drum, cymbal or percussion instrument or bass guitar. The day that the "de-reverber" plug-in gets created some of these albums may be rescued from their production morass. Steve was a kick ass guitar player who was afraid to kick ass on his 80s records. He had great drummers on his older albums but despite the fact that he had legendary brazilian percussionists on this record, many of those parts were pared away for..... drum machine - one would ask why. Some of the problems with many records are the "dogpiling" using production methods that were a trend at the time in the goal to get a hit record. The current trend is autotune. Anyway. Hilarious video at times. Kudos.

I do really like the song “ I Can’t Stop The Rain “ of the Criss solo album but the rest is unlistenable.

King Crimson made the transition into 80 successfully, at least for a time.

Thanks. Now I know what to steer from. As a teenager in the seventies prog (and jazz) was a window into a new realm (before punk hit.) When CDs came out the cut-out bins for records were a score. I found a lot of great prog and jazz albums - especially imports. And then there were duds... Tony Banks (cough), a Hackett or two, Love Beach, I could go on. I still love the oldies, but, goodies and will stay away from these as I still collect. Thanks, again. Peace on earth. P.S. To paraphrase Ronnie Hubbard - "If you want to make a lot of money create a religion."

"I Can't Stop The Rain" by Peter Criss is one of the best tracks on all 4 of the KISS solo albums. "Hooked On Rock And Roll" is pretty good, too. "Tossin' And Turnin'" is a competent cover.

Ageing Ps and middle age crisis is something that all have to go throu' or will have to go throu' and be able to talk about it without the fear of criticization....they say that everyone of us is unique but at 54 my age i find so many thoughts, things in common with so many that are my age or around my age....so thanks for telling us the recs you hate and i would love to mention the singers that i hate the most... Barbra Streisand Nana Mouskouri and the bloody Gerry from the Pacemakers Oh i feel much better now....

Steve Hackett in the 80s is, for me, the two acoustic guitar albums: Momentum and Bay of Kings. Other than them, it's a good idea to skip from Defector to Guitar Noir.

Triumvirat was a great band. So what if they sound like they have a bad case of ELP envy. Marillion and IQ sounded like they had a bad case of Genesis envy. And everywhere you turned was a Prog cliche. But who cared? For that matter, ELP was nothing but Jazz and Classical cliches. If you don't like cliches, you're in the wrong genre. But, I'm not going to argue with your choice of Russian Roulette, because the album before that one, A La Carte, had like 2 tracks at best with some redeeming qualities. But everything they did before that was pretty darn great. If you think Time Machine is the worst Rick Wakeman album, you haven't had to sit through his 80 odd releases as I have. I'd put Phantom Power as his worst album. It's the only one I have to throw off the turntable because I can't handle the cringe. To The Power Of Three is a good 80's Pop Rock album. It's not trying to be a Prog album, as Asia was not trying to be a Prog band. There's other music besides Prog. Get over it. Till We Have Faces was a bad period for Steve Hackett, can't argue that. But I thought you'd be whipping out the GTR album here, which was pretty bad, even from a Pop Rock perspective. And btw, Steve didn't leave Genesis because they were getting Poppy. He left because he had more music than they wanted to record. What kind of fan are you that you haven't heard that in a hundred interviews? The 80's were not like that. A lot of 80's Hackett albums were good. Mike Oldfield put out good albums throughout the decade, The Emerson, Lake & Powell album was killer stuff. Genesis never made an album I didn't like, until Calling All Stations. Yes only put out 2 albums, but they also were great stuff. Andrew Lloyd Webber had his most creative period ever. And there were a plethora of solo artists from various bands putting out good stuff. It wasn't on the charts, but we still got it here in America in the import section. I'm really sick of the sour grapes about the 80's from Proggers. I was there and never had any shortage of good Prog albums to buy. It's not anyone else's fault if you all just preemptively dismissed the music scene and didn't go looking for the good stuff, or if you were so stuck in the 70's that you couldn't deal with the fact that Progressive Music progresses with the musical influences that are about, as well as new instruments that render old ones out of fashion. What has Kiss got to do with Prog? They were never part of that scene. And, again, they have to be judged in the context of their genre. It's Pop Rock. And their 70's output rocks. Maybe not in a high quality sense compared to their contemporaries, but they were never "Boring." Yes, Space Jazz was pretty bad, but I can top it. I would list the worst album ever made as "In Search Of Major Tom" by William Shatner. Trust me, after enduring all three discs of this one you will yearn for the more bearable sound of Space Jazz.

Very enjoyable video. Before we slag off the prog of the '80s too much, though, we need to reflect a bit on Kate Bush's output through that decade. And as for Triumvirat, I agree with everything you said about them, but "Spartacus" is a really enjoyable pop album (even with the ELP cliches, or maybe because of them) with great melodies, and the singer has such a beautiful voice--sounds like Cat Stevens with a German accent.

@samcarson8161

Жыл бұрын

YES both "Illusions on a Double Dimple" and "Spartacus" by Triumvirat were/are prog MASTERPIECES to my ears.

@samcarson8161

Жыл бұрын

Triumvirat singer/bassist Helmut Kollen asphyxiated in his garage after leaving the band, or more likely after getting pushed out by egomaniac keyboardist Jurgen Fritz. "Double Dimple" & "Spatacus" though remain prog landmarks for me personally.

@herculesrockefeller8969

Жыл бұрын

I agree, both records were good.

Scientologists, let us know: What is Chick doing?

when MUSIC is the REASON for the album ....whatever the music....the RESULT will be a GOOD one....when MONEY is the reason for the album....we get SPINAL TAP....or maybe even....spinal crap....

Oh god, Time Machine is aweful...

Oh, I love Phil's version of Can't Stop Loving You - the vocals and the way the drumming develops, and I like his version of True Colors. I will always love Phil because I saw him play on the selling England by the pound tour in 73. He also sang More Fool Me.

Great Video - very funny - especially your Phil Collins review ! Thumb up ! BUT: Stanley Clarke - Let me know you is great ! I grew up with thie record an it sounds like another Clarke/Duke Project record for me. Its not fusion or Jazz but disco,funk and pop. And all the disco and funk records from Narada Michael Walden are also great. Do you like British Funk Bands like Shakatak, Light of the World, Incognito, Level 42, Paul Hardcastle etc. ?

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Жыл бұрын

Narada...genius, he understands R+B which is why he could create hit records for Aretha and Whitney. I don't Stanley really does. Geotge Duke did and Herbie did. Not Stanley though. Love Level 42, Shakatak were pretty limp but got better after they stopped having hits. I love Incognito, national treasure

When The Proggers chased Asia is reminiscent of when Fusioners added vocals and crap lyrics.

"I need some CBT for this" This whole video has me cracking up... BRILLIANT TIRADE!!! oh oh oh.... Now rank the albums you have played on!!!! That would be really Progdashuous!!!

Everything about kiss was dreadful, I hated them as a teenager,andi still hate them.

@richardfinlayson1524

Жыл бұрын

Don't mind rock'n'roll all night at certain times lol, but it took me years to admit it...

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Жыл бұрын

If I'm going to rock n roll, it will be for all night, But it's almost impossible to party everyday as unless you have some sort of financing and very good time management, which of course, does not go that well partying...

@stevebradley704

3 ай бұрын

​@@AndyEdwardsDrummer😂

My Mom never pontificated as shrewd as your Mom. My Mom's mom gave the same advice as your Mom. So there' s that. Your on fire, Dude! On the run....keep keeping on.

For a moment I almost didn’t watch your video because I thought you were going to dump on Chico Hamilton! Chico and the Dealer were great and always will be!

I think that most of us have forgotten Tony Banks' name from time to time. I sometimes confuse his name with Captain James Cook's botanist Joseph Banks (1743-1820). Or Peter Banks, as you did. Tony Banks was not a conventional Rock and Roll person, so its easy to be confused.

Stop beating round the bush, Andy - tell us what you really think! 😂😂😂 P. S. I'd LOVE to meet your mum... ❤

Oh man, I just gave the Jon Benjamin album a quick listen. Like you say, the other musicians are great, full of swing, then Jon steps into it. At first, its sounds funny, I'm laughing. However, as I keep listening I keep hoping that he finds his way better. Even I think I could do better and I don't know piano, either. He finds some good notes on "It had to be you", accidently at times. The other musician move along and when Jon joins in its like they are driving on a flat tire. I quit after ten minutes. Thank you, it was interesting, nevertheless.

@jazzpunk

Жыл бұрын

...thought about it. There's a fine line between comedy & tragedy, right? Comedy does require timing, rhythm & phrasing. No doubt, this helped Benjamin. Anyway, had never heard of this album...glad to have checked it out. No much to laugh about these daze. ;-)

I was shocked at how you dissed your employer Robert Plant when you said "Once you record an album covering songs you loved as a kid, it's over for your career". RIP Plant's career in 1984

I am having a hard time finding good music from the '80. Perhaps because its a decade of the big change to digital and the techniques weren't fully mastered yet

@thedude6478

Жыл бұрын

????😮

@patbarr1351

Жыл бұрын

Thomas Dolby's *The Flat Earth* is a fine, progressive-leaning album from the '80's. Also Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel, Talking Heads & Tangerine Dream did great things in that decade.

Lol. And I have a slightly deaf 84 year old mum, and the 2 year old Bowie the Cat. I now have new found respect for my Des O'Connor albums and will no longer use them as cushions for shitty prog and jazz records.

The four solo albums by the members of Kiss came out in 1978. It was certainly a memorable happening in rock history.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

6 ай бұрын

memorable for being awful

The same thing happened with my mother the other night. We got the call at 1:30 in the morning. Turns out she walked into the wrong bedroom because it was dark, got lost and panicked. When the POLICE broke in, she was fast asleep in her own bed. She forgot to ring the nerve centre to let them know. Anyway - carry on, Andy.

The album you were thinking of was Mirror to the Sky. It's okay Andy, now you know.

The El ron Hubbard album is actually adorable.

"I was at work one day, with some normal people... "

I love a good music rant

Interesting Mr. Edwards, my mom told me the same hundreds of times "If you got nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all"! Earth, the small planet! We had kind of a similar upbringing. :)

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

6 сағат бұрын

So true!

Look forward to hearing this - I imagine lame prog options may be easier to rifle out, but I could be wrong!

Now...I'm intrigued. The Jon Benjamin album. Agree...understanding rhythm & phrasing is big..."there no incorrect notes, only incorrect rhythms". Gotta check this out. Harmolodics over Standards. 😊

@jazzpunk

Жыл бұрын

Wow. Hilarious!!! My wife will say that sounds like all the other stuff I listen to. Sounds like Monk or Don Pullen. :-) Didn't Mingus use kids behind a curtain playing "free" to prove a point to the New Thingers? :-)

@jazzpunk

Жыл бұрын

My wife just heard it...yeah, all that stuff just sounds like a mess.

❤ your vids. Am hijacking this particular vid/comment page to suggest a new vid topic. Went down the rabbit hole last night watching my wonderful 3 disc Criterion DVD set of, "1967 Monterey Pop Festival". A great three day festival of sixties rock/blues/pop performances. My rabbit hole time came after watching disc 3 "Outtakes" which had 15+ groups including Paul Butterfield Blues Band & Electric Flag. Fantastic sound from those cats! Latched onto Mike Broomfield who blew me away. His guitar career (& playing of course) was amazing. Of course the combination of the great Butterfield w/ Mike was great. Read through Butterfield's history which was great and finally, landed on a surprise that David Sanborn, who I most associate with successful 1980s-on saxophone works (I own 2-3 CDs) started his early career on Butterfield albums! Played w/ Albert King at 14-15, Stevie Wonder & David Bowie! Crazy. Rabbit holes CAN be educational. 👍

This is it. This is the magnum opus of ranking videos. Absolutely brilliant. Thanks for the laughs!

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Andy, great video but how could you not mention the dreadly dreadful ELP's "Love Beach " ?

@RocknJazzer

Жыл бұрын

everyone knows that is low hanging fruit, and he already mentioned it in past vids

@jimmycampbell78

Жыл бұрын

Well he did mention it when he talked about Triumvirat.

@brewstergallery

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmycampbell78 Whoops my bad , I was skipping around at first to see what albums he was listing. Has Andy done one on Kiss' " Music from The Elder " ?

The 80's were a bad time for music. Genesis & Yes turned to crap, only Rush adapted in a good way. There are literally dozens of awful Wakeman albums, worth of a video all of their own but I don't recommend you listen to too many of them. Agree with you on Till We Have Faces, the problem was though that record companies were demanding 'happy' hits and the confidence of the musicians was destroyed so that they were unable to sound like themselves and make good music anymore. I actually prefer Heaven & Earth to 90125!

Wow you hit my least favorite prog album right away! I actually loved their first 2 albums, especially Spartacus. One of my favorite albums to really crank, but they declined after that. Pompeii had a couple good moments but then down, down, down. Russian Roulette was such an awful album! I knew they’d lost any pretense of being prog and I’d never buy another album from them. Also I’m a huge Steve Hackett but agree most of his solo efforts are forgettable although Spectral Mornings, Voyage of the Acolytes and Please Don’t Touch had classic progressive moments moments. Love that Steve keeps the classic Genesis albums alive. Saw his band play Selling England by the Pound and it blew the audience away.

Mam would be great. My parents would have been 101 years old this year. I would love to have their perspective on today. Not just music...but life.

Boy, "Heaven and Earth " took a long time to go away. It doesn't like you, Andy.