Dear all!! - If you're interested in this area, you may then be interested to know that I have now developed and released the worlds most comprehensive FREE benchmarking test for Autodesk Inventor with a global online leaderboard. See the announcement video here kzread.info/dash/bejne/ipeflc6vpbC4mrA.html and check out the leaderboard here invmark.cadac.com/#/ this shows which CPUs are best for Autodesk Inventor which generally means Autodesk software across the board.

I'd just like to say, thank god you exist in a swamp of content made for people who do nothing with computers except play video games. It's been a battle all my life against people who, in my opinion, fundamentally don't understand what computers are used for.

@elmichellangelo

Жыл бұрын

I swear I can't stand those youtuber that cares about content creation only. All they do is Apple and that's it. About reviewing product they just recycle the same script companies give them.

@BrianGarside

10 ай бұрын

Yes I'm so tired most all assume your using a performance workstation for gaming.

Incredibly useful, thank you so much. I've been given the go-ahead to spec out a new workstation. There were SOO many "gold" "Silver" "Bronze" options. I feel like I have a better idea of what that all means. I'll have another look, glad I didn't just go with the gold.

This is great! I wish you had the Ryzen 9 in this video though I would love to see how that would stack up.

this is clearly the most informative and qualified channel when it comes to cad workstations. nothing against all other computer hardware channels. but the benchmarks of the cpu aparrently dont tell the whole story especially when they are always chosing for gaming or "worksation" in general where multi core performance is needed. without this channel i wouldnt know about cad specific hardware.

Appreciate the info as always!

Great informative video, with no knowledge of this subject u helped me understand the difference between core/xeon processors, thanks

Hello There, Thank you for your nice explanation. I have posted a Question on the Inventor forum for the selection of a CPU and a graphics card. Will I9-12950HX perform better than Xeon E-2276M, and what card would perform better A4500 or A5500 if both are 16GB.

Excellent points, excellent advice. Ansys HFSS also discouraged HT a few short years ago. But as you say, today is different. I've asked my Ansys rep directly about this.. and of course his formal response was to point me to the published guidelines on the matter.. but off the record says the software has improved over the years and now handles HT better.

hi guys please enlighten me, would i7 work on mobile (laptop) workstation, rather than expensive xeon cpu; even if i don't have the e.c.c. memory?

Hey Neil, can you tell me which type of processor would handle this process better in Inventor (Xeon or Intel 'i-')? BOM editing. One of the most time consuming processes happens when I copy-and-paste or drag-to-fill an entire column in the BOM consisting of more than 500 discrete parts (with multiple quantities). So for example, after sorting the bom and auto-filling the 'Item' with numbers, I copy those numbers and paste them into another column, that can take up to 3 minutes to process. Do you have experience to say which type of processor will do that quicker, and how much quicker? Another scenario is when dragging an item at the top of a column all the way to the bottom in the same BOM. Can you tell me which processor type is best, Xeon or Intel 'i-' type? Thanx...Chris

Hello, Would you recommend an i7 11700k or i9 10900k for Autocad, revit, Lumion.. many thanks

Excellent Video Neil, it's been a while since I checked ARK, thanks for the update.

@Neil3D

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Leo. Good work over on the Inventor thread, that's what kicked me into doing this one.

Hello Neil, would there be time for you to do some recommendations on a new fast laptop for Inventor and/or Revit these days?

@victormtz16

3 жыл бұрын

What did you get?

Hp zbook g5 mobile workstation I need it for programing, and design Xeon e2176m vs i9 8950hk What's your suggestion, or you don't advice me anyone for my job. Thanks

Thank you very much...! Good info I get today...! Thanks again...!!!!

Will it work for after effects and element 3D and motion graphics

Hello, I'm a student and for CFD on Ansys, I'm thinking of i9 10900k as Its affordable option for me. If I go for Xeon it'll be very costly, and for such cost, I only have to use it for 5 6 months. Is it good?

Excellent video, nobody on you tube explaines it so simple!

Hi im planning to buy a used 5 yrs old workstation laptop with Xeon 1276M + Quadro P1000 for $500 for cad works and learning Inventor and revit. Is it worth it? or 2 yr old i5 10300h + 1650ti for $500 or new i5 1235u + 3050ti for $700

Thanks for the update on processors... do you have any advice for workstation laptops, that seems to be the only item my company will buy as we are mobile most of the time?

@Neil3D

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, I'll knock out a video on that soon

@charleschaimkohl

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know if it's still relevant, but I have the ThinkPad p52 with the Xeon processor, and I'm really satisfied with it

@kaizen5023

4 жыл бұрын

Yes i'm wondering about Dell 5750 www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/workstations-isv-certified/precision-5750-mobile-workstation/spd/precision-17-5750-laptop/xctop575017us_vivp?configurationid=5bcbc823-f536-4c5e-ade3-787ec1e9851d

Great video, Thank you. What's your opinion on which is better? 10th Generation Intel® Core™ i9-10885H Processor with vPro™ (2.40 GHz, up to 5.30 GHz with Turbo Boost, 8 Cores, 16 Threads, 16 MB Cache) or Intel® Xeon® W-10855M Processor with vPro™ (2.80 GHz, up to 5.10 GHz with Turbo Boost, 6 Cores, 12 Threads, 12 MB Cache)

It'll take a lot for me to upgrade from my 6900k, especially given the fact I paid $1,100 for it when it was new 😖 Glad Xeon finally, sort of, caught up with the i7/i9 lineup. Did Autodesk buy Ansys or are they just in some odd like 'friends with benefits' relationship?

What's the issue with RYZEN ? I'm a Phd student and will be doing lots of work on CST and Ansys doing antenna simulations. I have sent a Ryzen Threadripper 3960X based config to my IT team. Is there anything i need to be worried about ?

@Neil3D

3 жыл бұрын

Things change over time, as new products are released the landscape can change. But at the moment AMD do not have a good reputation for software & driver reliability, at a low budget level that's not much of an issue but at enterprise level that's not acceptable. But as they're releasing new generations of Ryzen they're now beginning to catch up with and arguably take over Intel with performance, but whether the new stuff is reliable enough to run in enterprise is an unknown.

Just ordered this from dell . I needed a new laptop for cad design . Is there anything you would change ? Thanks . No FGA 32GB DDR4 Memory,4X8GB,2666,Non-ECC,SoDIMM M.2 1TB PCIe NVMe Class 40 Solid State Drive Qualcomm QCA61x4A 802.11ac Dual Band, 2x2, Wireless Adapter + Bluetooth 4.2 7740 Smart Card, Fingerprint reader, & NFC E5 C13 Power Cord 1M for North America Safety/Environment and Regulatory Guide (English/French Multi-language) Qualcomm QCA61x4A 802.11ac Dual Band, 2x2, Wireless Adapter + Bluetooth 4.2 Driver 6 Cell 97 Whr Long Life Cycle Lithium Ion Polymer Battery(3 Years Warranty) Intel Xeon E-2286M, 8 Core Xeon, 16M Cache, 2.40GHz up to 5.00GHz Turbo, 45W, vPro No Bracket Windows 10 Pro for Workstation (4 Cores Plus) Multi - English, French, Spanish No mouse selected on your system No Option Included US Order Dell Limited Hardware Warranty Plus Service ProSupport: Next Business Day Onsite, 3 Years Thank you choosing Dell ProSupport. For tech support, visit //support.dell.com/ProSupport or call 1-866-516-3115 No Carrying Case Not ENERGY STAR Qualified No AutoPilot No UPC Label Dell Precision Optimizer CMS Software not included Intel ME Disabled Resource Media not Included Microsoft(R) Office 30 Days Trial Internal US English Dual Pointing Backlit Keyboard Keyboard Lattice No Additional Hard Drive Regulatory Label included FCC Label No Docking Station No Mobile Broadband Card Intel XEON Processor Label No Accessories Intel Xeon E2286M, 8 Core Xeon, 16M Cache, 2.40GHz up to 5.00GHz Turbo, 45W, vPro No Additional Hard Drive No Additional Hard Drive Not selected in this configuration Shipping Material for DAO Shuttle Box System Shipment Material Mobile Precision SHIP,NBK,DAO,SHUTTLE,7740 SHIP,NBK,WW,MIN,7740 Quick Setup Guide for Mobile Precision 7740 SupportAssist System Driver for Mobile Precision 7740 Dell(TM) Digital Delivery Cirrus Client Dell Client System Update (Updates latest Dell Recommended BIOS, Drivers, Firmware and Apps) Waves Maxx Audio Dell Developed Recovery Environment Dell Power Manager Bottom Cover No RAID E5 240W 7.4mm Lot 6 PCR, Liteon OS-Windows Media Not Included BTO Standard Shipment (EL) Not selected in this configuration

Hello everybody 🖐 I have a questions,wich is the best i7-12400f+RTX 3060 or Xeon 2970v3+Quadro M4000 ??? Im architect,i work with Cad,Sketchup,Lumion. Waiting for your opionion.Many thanks 🙂

So intel have made choosing a processor more confusing then ever? Lots to compare. But one thing is the price between xeon and i cores. thoughts?

Honey, lemon and ginger with hot water Neil. Fucking STAT.

that was soo helpful thanks a lot

🙂 Thanks for the info

Will it be good to go if using CFD Xeon 1290 p

@engineeringteach7042

2 жыл бұрын

what about i9 10900k affordable option for me

Hi Neil, very helpful for someone like myself looking to build my first workstation who’s is quite new to the subject of hardware/operation. My workflow consists of 3D modelling and rendering along with 2D work: Rhino 3D and Vred, Photoshop and Illustrator, Indesign, etc. I’m currently looking at x3 options for the CPU and would be extremely grateful for any advice: 1) Xeon W2245 (3.9 - 4.5; 8 cores) 2) intel i9 (3.5 - 4.6; 12 cores) 3) Threadripper 3960X (3.8 - 4.5; 24 cores) I’m aware that the i9 doesn’t support ecc but don’t know how important this really is. Any advice would be very much appreciated!

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Very good video 👍

and ... important it will be to know what you do, what you need, and to not let yourself be oversold on hardware that won’t make you more productive. if you know how your software works you may know what hardware you may require.

I generally agree, but the paradigm seems to be shifting again. Pure CAD usually was not able to use more than a few cores well. It’s more of a mixed bag now with some workflows benefitting from cache or core counts at unexpected points. The software landscape is changing. I used to find single threaded bottlenecks everywhere. At one point, I was even catching what I assume was SolidWorks draw calls for edge display hitting CPU bottlenecks and other oddities. A bunch of stuff like that all got sorted over the last 5 years or so. I’ve even compared on the same Quadro to verify that bottleneck was dealt with. One of my biggest surprises was when in my own testing I found my dual LGA2011 workstation running circles around a similarly clocked i7 in single threaded parts of the workflow, 5+ years ago. Was very likely the much larger cache. Now I’m finding that CAM software is actually able to hit near 100% utilization on 28 cores. In conclusion, I wouldn’t write off lower clocked higher core count Xeons with more cache, I/o, etc. Yes, they cost more and they aren’t for every workflow, but there is real benefit to the architecture at times and software is starting to utilize it better. In the near future, I’m expecting the sweet spot to be a bit higher core counts/cache with things like the 13900k doing well so long as the software and scheduler get along.

No mention of ondie cache? Maybe I missed it but kinda important, no?

Where did you get the info that the i9 and the xeons are the same chip? Can you send me a link? I have just never seen this before?

@Neil3D

4 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure if Intel have or ever would come out and confirm it, but there’s tons of press articles saying this is the case. It’s also logical. They’re not gonna have two different fab processes which mfg the exact same specs but then just brand them differently on packaging, that makes no sense. But it’s widely reported as common knowledge, documented by third parties who possibly have contacts who’ve confirmed it, but personally there’s no doubt in my mind. There are many xeons that are unique and not shared with a core sku though.

@brycemckenzie2532

4 жыл бұрын

I just don't see how that could be possible. Wouldn't the architectures be completely different with a Xeon vs a core processor? I tried to do some digging but I couldn't find anything confirming this.

@underpressureman

4 жыл бұрын

@@Neil3D Its Zeon's are also way more expensive by the looks of it. Am I wrong?

@underpressureman

4 жыл бұрын

@@Neil3D Zeons also look way more expensive, no?

great video

Core count should be part of this discussion.. which I think is the most obvious advantage of Xeon over Core.. I mean at least for large workloads that can be parallel processed.

Have you checked the new 32/64 core ryzens Neil?

@Neil3D

4 жыл бұрын

I'm aware of them but there's no chance I'll ever get my hands on them, they're all sent out to the gaming channels. I've tried to make contacts within AMD but they're just not interested.

@ChimpyChamp

4 жыл бұрын

@@Neil3D That's genuinely surprising given the high core count AMD CPU's are being targeted toward productivity and professional applications, I have a feeling though that the Ryzen 3000 based 16 core or 8 core AM4 chip will smash the 8 core intel Xeons for close to the same price.

@SomeTechGuy666

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChimpyChamp All you have to do is look at the Geekbench scores.

Why does my slow i7 quad core 7820hq score higher in single core on Cinebench than the xeon 48 core intel 8168 cpu?

Should I gey Ryzen or intell for my work station?

@Neil3D

3 жыл бұрын

Intel

I don't understand why the metal (eg gold) Xeons are woefully inadequate for workstations. I saw someone selling a Dell workstation with GOLD 6254 which has 18 cores. Unless you are playing games it is great for work which can be computed in parallel. This chap sounds very knowledgeable. So I hope to learn why I'm mistaken.

Wonderful!! To see a tech channel NOT focused on gaming!

I just tried to configure one in the LENOVO website as a solo builder / designer to expensive and even with 20% off on sale still to expensive rather the RYZEN 7 route drafting is hard most large firms now go offshore it's cut throat in australia

Well, I still wouldn't recommend using an Xeon-E Desktop CPU unless you really need to use ECC. The biggest difference and the most important one is the boosting behaviour. With Xeon-E CPU in general, the CPUs will be boosted according to the Intel spec. This means that, that maximum boost clock will be only maintained for 8 seconds then it will default back to the base clocks. Whereas with the Core line, the manufacturers just do whatever they want and set the boost to unlimited. This makes for being a bit more creative in selecting motherboard, cooling and casing as the CPUs can get quite hot. But more importantly, they can maintain the boost clock indefinitely. This means you would end up getting way more performance by sticking with the Core line, and making the Xeon-E simply not worth it, unless you really need ECC. And considering how much focus you placed on the boost clocks, this information is extremely important and should be taking into consideration when recommending an Intel CPU. Do note that this "unlimited boost behaviour" is done my motherboard vendors in general. The big OEMs probably don't do this, but this information is nearly impossible to get. For notebooks it is better to base your choice on the base clock of the CPU instead of the boost frequency, for exactly the same reason. Notebook CPUs almost always stick to the Intel spec (boosting for about 8 seconds) and then falling back to the base clocks.

@subscriber6181

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know if this is true for all Xeons, but I was able to set my Xeon-E to boost until hit hit 100℃ using ThrottleStop

Me: *Watching this after I bought a w 2223 yesterday. o.o "oops"

no, not for CAD !!! Try to use floating point, parallelism, try to use 512bit vector and with one Xeon or XE core obtain what you obtain from 4cores of core series or AMD cores.

@engineeringteach7042

2 жыл бұрын

So I'm going to buy an i9 10900k I will have to use it for 2 3 months for ansys is it good option an affordable for me

Thanks Neil. All useful info. Rest that croaky voice. Cheers. Jim

Ryzens are good now, but all the big advantages they have over Core processors seem to lie in multi-threaded applications?

@Neil3D

4 жыл бұрын

Quite right, although the newer ones are pretty good at single threaded. Problem is they're not being taken up by the workstation vendors so its difficult to find them in Dells etc. Probably something to do with contractual obligations with Intel.

@SomeTechGuy666

4 жыл бұрын

@@Neil3D More like the workstation vendors had contracts with Intel and didn't foresee AMD kicking butt like it is. Just wait... And why buy a workstation when it is so easy to build one ?

@joewayne9951

4 жыл бұрын

TechGuy big corporations aren’t building there own office pc’s they usually are leased are bought outright from , dell,hp,lenovo.....

CAD tool on single core? All need to do on this context, is to change your SW. From AutoCAD to CATIA ??? Just an opinion...

The difference is ECC memory. If you're doing CAD for an engineering project where lives are at stake, you'd be nuts not to use ECC memory.

The K i7 CPU is a special case. Xeons and Cores have had parity in terms of clock cycles since at least 2014. You draw the wrong conclusions.

Not a single benchmark and you left out AMD products.

very out of date compared to these monsters 9th-12th gen cpus i was using a 3930 which i got 4 years ago i didnt do my research though so i thought it was new and thought it was used which was why it was so cheap but it was so cheap cause it was old i found out the same year i got it months later it was a old cpu for me copying tv show dvds took 5 mins for each episode and when i would skip through different scenes in my editor it would have a delay and rendering would take long say a hr video took like 40mins i upgraded 2 months ago to a 12400 and i no longer get delays previewing and rendering for the same length video takes 10mins my chip was 150 and im using a PRO B660M bought for 125 and my temps maxes in 60s thats when rendering before i would get to the 70s with my old chip and copying dvds eps take now 2 mins each my virus scans are faster to the reason i didnt upgrade to 12900 is cause it wasnt a big upgrade from the cpu i got now and the amazing thing is my cheap is a i5 model years ago in the era that my 3930 it was no i5s that could compete with that this goes for all i5s before the 10th gen i5s was always seen as the mid models now i5s since 10th gen can compete with the i7s it is no longer a big difference in performance like it used to be

I buy second hand Xeon workstation, put SSD and RAM and Video RX570 /from miner fot 60$/ = result is cheap gaming PC

You have nice ficus in background like mine.

You're making such good points untill you poo poo the idea of anyone needing lots of RAM. I have 384 GB RAM and wish I had more. Look harder, the need is out there, very specialized needs, yes, but as real and critical as any other design need.

lol yey!

You have blinded yourself to applications that use a lot of RAM, and therefore may be blind to the single most important aspect of Xeon over Core in such cases.. NUMA capability to share processing over large memory sets.

casual 70,000 xeon cpu

Hi plz tslk to me in

Bias review for xeon...

OMG, core frequency? Who cares? Not relevant. Stop making videos about hardware, please.

@Neil3D

3 жыл бұрын

No. Nobody watches the software videos anymore, they're not worth my time. I have the analytics and objectively more people are interested in hardware than CAD tips & tricks. But more importantly, I did that for 5 years straight and got bored to death with it, and just don't want to do that any more. I release a CAD challenge it gets 4k views and flat lines, I release a mobile workstation video at the same time, it gets 13k and is on a fast incline. I create a membership program where I start doing the Inventor tips & tricks again, and only 100 people join, that's the interest people have in software videos, if the majority of people see my Inventor videos as being only worthy of being free and no more valuable than that, then it isn't worth my time doing them unfortunately.

@Neil3D

3 жыл бұрын

Coming back to this. I just yesterday released a video discussing the removal of the Quadro brand from Nvidia. That video in 2-3 days time will have more views than the last CAD challenge I did on the channel several months ago. Hardware is very relevant, there's exponentially more interest in it than software videos and a people who watch software videos don't stick around.