This really really needs to have a 2021 follow up Linus! GET ON IT DAWG! We really need this now with the new cards and dump of the quatro lineup

@ME-mp9zm

2 жыл бұрын

Yup I was going to say that

@bhavsarp90

2 жыл бұрын

Now 2022

@MrSdfghjkl2345678

2 жыл бұрын

Yep neeed it!!! haha

@mattibro

2 жыл бұрын

But they use solidworks in benchmarks?

@dzibit2006

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Linus please please please make an update for us!!!!!2022

Can you update this video with 2020 hardware?

@msykala

4 жыл бұрын

yes please. Also, that's a hell of a *budget* config. 8700k is still pricey in 2019 for a budget option

@justinma9537

4 жыл бұрын

+1 for an update to this video. For many of us in the 3D Cad and Modeling (architectural design, engineering, etc.) this information is hard to come by and a lot of us work from our home machines. Great stuff!

@a4gr

4 жыл бұрын

@@justinma9537 Thank you. I hope they can do something like this soon.

@leo_warren

4 жыл бұрын

I personally wouldn't as setups vary per CAD program so saying it's for CAD is misselling it.

@javierortiz82

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, ryzen has given this a whole twist.

Can we get a 2020/2021 update on this topic ? There is very little information out there

@jld1501

3 жыл бұрын

See above. Works great!!

Please update this video for 2019!

@RifqiAulia

4 жыл бұрын

Agree

@HaciendoCinemexico

4 жыл бұрын

yea, new threadripper 2020 beat it intel xeon

@goncalo3940

4 жыл бұрын

2020 actually ahahahah

@bobthe_gardener4928

4 жыл бұрын

deff a redub needed, outdated info even though it was 2 years ago

@CustomKB.

4 жыл бұрын

For 2020 u mean

Please rename this video to '3D CAD modelling and design'. Because in a regular 3D environment in a vfx or motiongraphics pipeline you're not going to benefit from quadro at all. They have little to no benefit in maya/houdini/c4d/max. Also if you are going to do gpu rendering you will need a nvidia card, because most gpu render engines use cuda. So AMD is out of the question there. AMD does perform slightly better on opencl so may be better for gpu based simulation loads (like houdini opencl nodes) But overall I recommend nvidia for that. CPU workload for workstation I recommend higher clocked i9s over xeons due to most 3d applications not being fully multithreaded, your overal workflow will be faster on a faster clocked system then a high thread/low clock one (talking from experience here) Your benefit on having a lot of cores will be rendering or heavy simulation (or having simulations run as background tasks while you continue to work) But for a workstation I'd then still recommend getting a lower core one and getting a extra few cheap ebay xeon rendernodes on the side.

@Losbandit

6 жыл бұрын

I agree

@nzjdmsti

6 жыл бұрын

More like please rename this to best hardware for solidworks.

@johnprice482

6 жыл бұрын

^ Pls upvote this comment so it goes to the top. Very misleading for maya/max/blender users

@brendancoots

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed on all points. I would add that offloading rendering to one of the many cheap cloud solutions is probably more sensible than spending a ton of money on 8+ core Xeons and ECC memory.

@JohnsonTianLun

6 жыл бұрын

Very well said

You should do a more "artist" friendly version of this video: with 3DS Max / Maya / Blender, Zbrush, Unreal, etc.

@iz723

6 жыл бұрын

Or Computer simulations, CFD etc.

@fnv870

6 жыл бұрын

John Doe yup

@Teapode

6 жыл бұрын

All of those doesn´t utilise Quadro. Look at Pugetsystems comparisons. In 3d, SolidWorks is actually single software where Quadro beats GTX. And this SPECviewPerf is a rubish comparison - it compares multuple softwares and gives a single number - but you actually work in just one software.

@Core2lee91

6 жыл бұрын

Similar thing applies really to CFD, just more of it. Depending on compute loads you would also start looking towards proper data centre cards like the Tesla series and high speed interconnects like Infiniband or Omnipath for MPI between nodes. Linus is a cool guy, but none of that would be his forte lol.

@stagdragon3978

6 жыл бұрын

I like the idea... but I see 3D art stuff everywhere... I think this is the first casual C.A.D video I've ever seen that isn't just projectile vomiting of information.

It's amazing how hard it is to get real information about this kind of stuff out of companies like Autodesk. The problem is that they don't want to reccomend anything because no matter what you buy, their software will run like shit. Heyoooo... I'd like more content like this. An update with more software products would be cool.

@7alken

4 жыл бұрын

watch this ... its clear that older software is coupled to older gpu (or NO gpu) technology at drivers level (which nobody will/can rewrite as entire app is bound to theirs approach), new apps written from scratch are doing better on new GPUs or technically CAN (no matter if consumer or pro card - they are still almost the same internally these days as they was 30 years ago) ... so some NEW 3d modelling tools can work well even on consumer/game-cards, which are far more powerful today (but, designated by "consumer"-warnings because of high kill/return-rate in crypto-mining farms, probably - sure, 3d modelling software does almost NOTHING vs live dynamic game running in real time vs constant full load by crypto-bastards) ... its then again all on the elite/politics to dedicate some kind of software to some kind of hardware ie some kind of expensive elite class of engineers ... is it still acceptable for 21st century??? NO :-) kzread.info/dash/bejne/mX92rtSkitevhs4.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/mX92rtSkitevhs4.html

Please revisit the CAD system again. With the new consumer graphics card, we would love to hear your test results. Softwares: Siemens NX, AutoDesk PowerMill

@harrybellingham98

5 жыл бұрын

also rhino

@cleaver3519

5 жыл бұрын

Autodesk runs with anything, I would like to see the AMD firepro/Pro cards included here.

@icdproductions

5 жыл бұрын

Autodesk Inventor has a benchmark utility. I don't know how useful that is, but I'd like to see those results also.

@redrock9319

5 жыл бұрын

Blender

@samantoniak1657

4 жыл бұрын

Also Please test BIG assemblies in catia and Revvit or other BIM. Also test FEA and CFD.

I use an old i5 with 8GB of ram and a gtx550ti for 3d stuff in Blender. Well, it really teaches how to handle resources :D

@jonathanmiller4759

6 жыл бұрын

That's reassuring! I was planning to lightly get into it when I upgrade my PC in a few months (after I get my tax return)

6 жыл бұрын

You will be fine with even a lower setup than mine, blender does a really good job with handling large scenes (especially on linux). Rendering speed is an other topic though :D Good luck with it! :)

@jonathanmiller4759

6 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't mind having to wait a while for it to render tbh. I would be too excited to see something created by me in such a way I never thought possible. I would pretty much just start messing around with it and make simple meshes and models, maybe figure out how to do small weapon/junk retextures in games and go from there if I like it. You said you handle large scenes. What do you mean by that? You can make full environments using just Blender?

6 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Miller I'm sure you will love it. Many people have a hard time with the user interface, since it's really different from that ms-office styled system. But after they're over it, it's a great fun to explore and create. Well, you can do basically anything in it. From simple lowpoly game models to complex photorealistic scenes. The more time i spend with blender, the more i realize that not the software is the limiting factor for good art, nor the hardware (even though it helps), but the human skill. I hope you will have good experiences with it :)

@tombroszz

6 жыл бұрын

bro! intel core 2 duo 2.2ghz,9400gt 1gb on cinema 4d rendering 3d text to put inside a video!

What happened to the Radeon Pro WX series?

Imagine having a really large channel where you can just ask big companies to give you stuff for free.

@snakeinabox7220

4 жыл бұрын

No

@snakeinabox7220

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sidowse no

@francisjtuk

4 жыл бұрын

Get 11 million subs and you too shall get sponsored !

@tridiots3681

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe Linus just borrowed the parts?

@notkray8468

3 жыл бұрын

@@tridiots3681 Depends tho. Ive heard some reviewers actually get to keep some sent items but for sponsored reviews they will mostly return the item as reviewers are paid with money

It would be great to see an updated vid for this! Maybe testing out Revit.

@CS2architecture

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. And add Rhinoceros 3D + Grasshopper, 3DS Max, Maya, & Houdini FX as well. I am quite sure the Rhino 6 actually utilizes multiple cores now (Rhino 5 & older only depended on single-core performance)

Most of this is really only valid advice for CAD designers/engineering students. A 3D artist, animator or game designer would be making quite a poor choice with 16GB or RAM and a P4000. Maybe the title could be a little more specific.

@MrFanzypantz

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the title is a bit too generalized. Nvidia is king at Vray RT hands down, and can use SLI. Vray Adv however might see nice performance with Ryzen(haven't checked benchmark but it likes to have many cores)

@barryallencoffee

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm Studying that stuff in University in a few months wish they made a video about that too

@stagdragon3978

6 жыл бұрын

yes... yes it is for C.A.D students... now... how about while you're at it you ask the other 10000 other videos on the art programs to specify that they are for the art programs...

@mjc0961

6 жыл бұрын

United States of Embarrassment I really don't think a professional 3D artist, animator, or game designer is going to be checking LinusTechTips to find out what computer to buy. Their employer will be providing a sufficient computer.

@izicial7469

6 жыл бұрын

He mentions programs like Solidworks and talks about engineering classes so it should be more than obvious what he is referencing.

No FirePro/WX series? Seriously?

@DanielRodriguez-fg5ll

6 жыл бұрын

also dissapointment; I think the WX 7100 outperforms the P4000 and it is cheaper.

Can you make such a video for Architecture in specific! The net doesn’t have a good video on that topic and it covers a bigger spectrum of softwares

@johanwalll

5 жыл бұрын

I second that. Would really appreciate a comparison between how Quadro cards and Geforce cards perform in some of the most common architectural softwares: Revit, ArchiCAD, Rhino, SketchUp and AutoCAD. Such comparisons are surprisingly absent.

@gaboxargentina

5 жыл бұрын

i want that video !!!

@DoubleMonoLR

5 жыл бұрын

I'm learning Archicad and Revit for smaller residential & commercial buildings, and so far I haven't really seen any need for even an expensive gaming card. Even my old laptop builtin gpu is generally ok for modelling, and an old gtx750 is good on my desktop. When rendering, it'll depend which rendering engine you're using, ones I've been using seem to be mostly or totally cpu-based.

@archietech89

5 жыл бұрын

@@johanwalll do you get the information?

@johanwalll

5 жыл бұрын

@@archietech89 What do you mean? What information?

@Linus tech tips, it's time to update your recommendation. Looking forward to it. Cheers.

@EnriqueGonzalez-qo5hn

5 жыл бұрын

Used workstation is the way to go now (like a Dell Optiplex, HP Z400, or Lenovo ThinkCentre)

@StYfReX

5 жыл бұрын

I really would like to see how rtx cards play in this.

@zpirit_

5 жыл бұрын

@@StYfReX was thinking the same thing

@gulamsarwar2189

5 жыл бұрын

Hello. Please suggest me a good cpu and gpu . Help me out. My budget is 1000 $

@StYfReX

5 жыл бұрын

@@gulamsarwar2189 rx580, b450 motherboard with the latest update bios and a 3600. the rx 580 is like 180 at max i think, and the rx570 is like a 480 and is at 120 usd aprox and with 2 games i think(lol), the new cpus are like 220, a b450 is cheap and if you can go for an x570.

Umm you totally ignored the WX cards, like why i wanted to see how they faired

@williamforbes6919

6 жыл бұрын

cat Also totally forgot to try running RealHack on the gaming cards to enable professional graphics pipelines for them.....

@eliadbu

6 жыл бұрын

either he didn't ask from AMD for their cards, or they didn't give him those cards

@eliadbu

6 жыл бұрын

Tanner Sims first of all your assumption is wrong, this is about an AMD card and not cpu even intel use their graphics. second this video is NOT sponsored by intel. third they have other AMD cards and CPUs . again the either AMD did not provide them or they didn't ask for their pro cards from some unapparent reason.

I'd love to see you guys redo this video using modern hardware (RTX; Xeon vs, say, threadripper; ECC necessity?). You took a hard CAD slant with this last video. How about the abundant creative community using software like Maya, Vray, Arnold, Zbrush, Substance Painter, etc?

plz do a update by 2025, I figure by the time I graduate engineering ill build a proper workstation

This type of video should be updated every year. It's amazing how little information there is about Quadros or Firepros on youtube, and it's amazing the amount of people passing erroneous information all over the internet.

So what about AMD pro GPU cards? How did you not included these. Seriously...

@dstblj5222

6 жыл бұрын

AMD pro drivers do not play that well with solidworks, something in the driver path doesn't really work for them.

@defmaka

6 жыл бұрын

dstblj 52 many Ray tracer use cuda acceleration, open cl it’s not so diffused. So , a nvidia is really a good option for gpu render

@CoryAndor

6 жыл бұрын

Wait but Linus literally said in this video the 580 was amazing bang for the buck? Maybe it's cause English isn't your first language?

@IluminatorLP

6 жыл бұрын

Affair ... well that was the strange part. Saying it was the best and then going back to nvidia in the summary

Without AMD WX ,why?

I love how he's talking about all these updates and in my old job we did SW of machine assemblies that can fit in building with +1000 parts with only a standard Dell precision laptob.

Can we get recommendations for Maya and zbrush pls

Why no AMD WX Radeon Pro series cards in this comparison? I think its a bit unfair to compare AMD consumer level cards against Quadros, especially since AMD does offer workstation cards which are designed for those sorts of work loads. Even the frontier edition isn't a fully fledged workstation card. Still a great video just would of liked to have seen an apples to apples comparison between Quatro and the Radeon Pro series cards.

@piotrj333

6 жыл бұрын

Jacob Yarr vega frontier has access to radeon pro drivers

@Ettannis

6 жыл бұрын

They did include the Radeon Pro series, while its not branded Radeon Pro the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition is currentley AMD's top end card and it uses Radeon Pro drivers and AMD's next generation harware design that will underpin future Radeon Pro cards.

@Praechaox

6 жыл бұрын

WX 9100 is top end, moreso than Frontier

@MrJibJub13

6 жыл бұрын

I want to see these tests with the AMD pro cards. Literally was a waste of time of a video without these cards.

@patrickmonkman8151

6 жыл бұрын

Even the entry level 3100 has way better performance to price than nvidias entry level workstation gpus

Where is the Radeon Pro WX card?

this video deserves a refresh :D

I love the work in this video! Can we hope for a updated cut inlight of all the new hardware that has been released?

So... you compare NVIDIA's professional line to AMD's consumer and dual purpose professional/consumer GPUs without ever taking a look at any Radeon professional cards. WX, Pro Duo, PRO SSG, where are all of these lines? Did you use the compute option available in the latest Adrenaline drivers to maximize performance in these workloads? This is pretty much saying Ford is better than Toyota for work trucks because this F150 could carry more equipment and materials than this Corolla, and didn't give the Corolla the advantage of the optional tow hitch and a trailer.

@dstblj5222

2 жыл бұрын

the radeon pro line is a disaster

Did you put the AMD cards in compute mode in the Radeon settings when running the benchmarks? (Why is that frontier so far ahead of the Vega 64?)

Can you please make new video with 2020-21 new hardwares? Suggestion: make video in aspect of devlopers (.net, android, php etc..) , web server handlers(devops), video editor (adobe after effect, premiere), graphics designers, 3d model makers. You always make video for gamers. You should make video for productivity. And help them to build best pc to improve thier productivity. This really help a lot for lots of people out thier. Suggest them best hardware that they can possibly buy (i.e. Mx master 3 mouse for devlopers and video editors). I really hope that you will help them. 🙂

We do our 3D modeling on quad core xeons and Quadro cards from 2015. Handles it just fine in 2020. Large scale manufacturing. Nothing small

Anyone else disappointed that Radeon Pro series weren't included to truly compare. I have a WX3100, and it's fantastic for lower end CAD design. I even bought it from New Egg US site, shipped to the UK since it saved me over £20 at the time Inc p&p VAT and Imp Tax.

@jesusreignonhigh6732

6 жыл бұрын

I was. They’re quite cheap tho.

@derimmerlugt3032

6 жыл бұрын

Did you expect them to feature AMD cards in a video sponsored by a company that only sells nVidia cards?

Why are you asking me, I don't know

@kace002pumpkinwizard

6 жыл бұрын

Ikr, same

I love your tips. I love to see 2021 hardware tips for 3d modeling and rendering

Looking for this information for quite some time.Thanks for the video LTT.Hope to see a video with updated hardware for 2020.

wow, I have to say that the transition at 0:40 was so smooth af that I had to watch it again and then a third time. Nice work

@Thatguy-vv8jt

6 жыл бұрын

Lol so ture

@chinsteig

6 жыл бұрын

I think it started as a mask on the monitor and then faded the mask out to reveal the whole video.

@lookieeight1006

6 жыл бұрын

Justin Chin I would have said that it was just a completely green monitor and it was used as a greed screen

@Thatguy-vv8jt

6 жыл бұрын

Yep

@chinsteig

6 жыл бұрын

lookie eight I don't think so, you can see they add a black bezel on the monitor to help with alignment and that the mounting bracket on the Vega FE disappears. Also the GPU's get a highlight at the same time, but the reflection of the monitor on the marble countertop doesn't change. Actually, rewatching the video I can see at 9:26 that it starts off as a black screen with a white reflection and the fresh books slide doesn't match the monitor bezels either.

It's not tunnel bear today lol

@rohitghumare7515

5 жыл бұрын

sike

REVISIT the need for using ECC memory for the process. Thx!

I'd like to point out the render time was mere seconds slower on the 1800x which is significantly cheaper than Intel's offering

The idea of using solid works to represent all of CAD softwares bothers me.

@Br0adster4

5 жыл бұрын

Catia!!!

@sovietelectioncollidingtro6231

5 жыл бұрын

I know right!? We all know that Creo ist the state of the art.

@ackkipfer

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's just happens to be the software they learn to use, way people learn and stick to it, than try anything else

@shaider1982

5 жыл бұрын

Easier to use and looks better than creo, especially when creating the 2d drawings.

@karat252

4 жыл бұрын

Revit pls

Lol *Hands him Timmies card* That's the only company credit we need up here in Canada XD

@joshualuna-li931

6 жыл бұрын

Erigorn - Erik doesn't that thing have like 20% apr

Thanks for these informations , Linus can you update a new video for 2019 , because the hardware has been a lot changed , and as you see AMD made some new amazing stuff

The notebook you show in 1:21 has a known software compatibility bug that slows the rendering of lines when you select something. By tweaking the windows registry files to correct the graphic card register you can make it 10x faster.

I'm a Mechanical Engineer, and work with 17,000 part models, simulations and rendering. At work I use a high end Quadro and Xeon on an HP ZBook G4... At home I use a i76700k and GTX 970 G1 and my desktop blows it out of the water. In all my 15 years as an engineer using Catia, Solid Works (worst CAD software period), Inventor and Creo 4 (formerly Pro/E) and I have never noticed any significant jump in performance using Xeon and Quadro setups. Just make sure you have a lot of RAM, preferably 32+.

@FirehawkVFX

6 жыл бұрын

yes, it comes down to how well a vendor is able to utilise hardware and the type of computation. In houdini, does a Quadro p6000 improve simulation speed? Yes, by a tonne.

@JohnWinstonLennonFan

6 жыл бұрын

You seem to be the right person to ask my questions, since I am about to start mechanical engineering in half a year, do you think I should get the G4 which is recommended, and on sale for students, or just get a laptop with a GTX 1050 instead, to have more of an all round laptop? Since it is really hard to find a compass of rendering for that purpose and all.

@perfectpint5485

6 жыл бұрын

I'm a Design Engineer as and couldn't agree more. I use top end Quadro and Xeon at work, 5820k and GTX770 at home. No difference in performance in Solidworks for complex models and assemblies. Blender is good the more cores you have.

@MW9492

6 жыл бұрын

SP4NK H4RD thanks for the info 🤔😉👍

@fredriklarsen5968

6 жыл бұрын

Solidworks is like a potato, meh for all things, but really good for none.

RX580.... still costs $1k+ here! Also, WX Radeon Pro cards should have been included, if quadro were.

P.S. BIM now uses a lot of cores, I work with Archicad and I notice a huge difference using dual xeons (cMP5,1) in the background rendering of all the model views in background (plans, sections, elevations) versus an I7 (iMAC '17)... any time I change between plans and or sections, in the xeons is instant ... in the I7 takes a few 5 to 10 seconds to process the model.

I'd like to see an update video testing the current version of the Quadro RTX cards.

@avicohen2k

5 жыл бұрын

Yup. Time for an update. Is the 2070/80 still behind the p4000? It does cost less..

What about the Radeon Pro series from AMD ? For example, you have the option of purchasing a new Radeon Pro WX3100 for ~200 USD. That can drive three 4K displays at 60Hz. It might help to do a comparison with this GPU series as well. Maybe a few benchmarks. And, for example, you could try and stick with sub-300$ GPU options while making the comparison. It would address a broader audience (the hobbyists that do 3D modelling in their spare time and don't have 800+ USD to spend on a Quadro P4000, for example). Also, maybe you could talk to an expert, and make a minimal configuration for working with more complicated assemblies in Solidworks. You could also try and see which 3D modelling software (Solidworks, Catia, Maya, Blender etc.) takes advantage of which GPU series (AMD Radeon Pro or Nvidia Quadro) - render times, complicated assemblies etc. Also, as a final thought, you could try and make a comparison with older professional GPUs that you can buy for cheap from eBay. I've been watching your videos for a while! I'm a big fan! Keep up the good work!

@13deryck

6 жыл бұрын

He has a point Linus Media Group. do not disappoint us again :))) It was not a fair comparison. As @MrRORVI said, try sticking to a lower price. Who wants to get serious with 3D modeling and real time simulations has more options the somebody with a lower budget (doing it as a hobby or for personal projects). HOPE YOU SEE THIS.

@penwoopydo

6 жыл бұрын

MrRORVI heres a good comparison video kzread.info/dash/bejne/dXWK06uIebfKnbA.html

please do one for VFX/Motiondesign software like Cinema 4d/Octane Render/Maya/After Effects/Houdini

@darviniusb

5 жыл бұрын

Ae is singlethreaded so faster clocks C4d as many cores as possible with best gpus you can afford and if possible quadros. Octane render needs as many cuda cores as you can give him, multiple gforce cards. Maya same as cinema, Houdini higher clocks cpus with many cores for sims and a geforce will do the job to.

@xavierayayaell546

5 жыл бұрын

@@darviniusb You clearly know shit about this software. AE is multithreaded for rendering (the most challenging/slow task in AE usage), this ain't 1992 anymore. Many C4D functions are single threaded, so you want the fastest clock speed you can find for editor use, and many cores/highest speed you can for rendering. Big multicore processors with a slower clock speed make your productivity go DOWN in C4D, and gpu is basically irrelevant until you start working with scenes with millions of polys as they are not used for rendering at all without going to the new and buggy prorender which 100% of everybody is not using because if you want gpu rendering you'd go to octane.

@darviniusb

5 жыл бұрын

Using Ae for almost 20 years(unfortunetly), and Fusion and Nuke for 10, all big 3d softwares as well. Ae needs higher clocks and if you have a 24-48 core machine i would love to see a project in ae using all the cores at max. Had projects i could not even open and needed to batch render them from command line and even rendered with Ae in small farms. Some projects where to big for even 64 GB ram so i had to redo some. C4d is doing well in my 50 mil plus production scenes or even bigger. Biggest was arround 1 bilion rendered with Arnold so yes i know wtf i am saying. No one uses the crappy C4d physical anymore, thats a joke. Prorender, are you crazy, thats experimental stuff for now. Vray, Arnold, RS, Octane yes. The projects i am talking about requires you to turn off all the textures in the viewport or reduce to minimum the details in viewport on the highest end workstations you cant afford, not kiddy stundent work. We did try octane last year for some of our big animations but it had a serious bug while rendering animations and would not work in our pipeline. I render in local farms or rebus nowdays a lot, and for huge resolutions and fast delivery red shift. 50 mil plus scenes work great on RS and triple gpu workstations. Did renderfarms alone and managed a few, so i know what i am talking. As many cores as possible are most important for rendering , of course having higher clocks and many cores is the best. but the price for that is not worth most of the time. Also almost all 3D softwares even simulations are nowdays multithreaded or going that way and if a user uses singlethreaded operations then, sory for you but you need to manage the scene better. Trust me that 200+ cores at 2,5 GHz+ are more faster then 16 at 5Ghz .

@LucienHughes

5 жыл бұрын

Aspects of what both of you are saying are right. I think clock speed does offer an advantage over more threads in Cinema 4D when CPU rendering, but having more threads is still advantageous for many applications within the environment. Realistically when you're doing this kind of work you just want to go for the highest Cinebench scoring chip you can get within your budget.

@canislupus9094

5 жыл бұрын

Any idea about Rhino+Vray? I am thinking about getting an AMD processor with a midrange quadro. I mainly do Architecture visualisations. Thank you

you need to update this and test it with all these new Ryzen chips that were just announced

@pergioserez

4 жыл бұрын

Ryan Sherratt this has never been more relevant until now

Exactly what i was looking for, cheers.

Curious. How did you leave out the best price/performance card? WX 5100.

@mattbladez

6 жыл бұрын

I agree he should have mentioned it, but some people need those CUDA cores

@FairZack234

6 жыл бұрын

Matt Patenaude And some people Don't There's on reason not to mention the WX series

@DanielRodriguez-fg5ll

6 жыл бұрын

agreed, but I think the WX 7100 might be better bang for buck, as you get VR support and an actual 6-pin power deliver so room for OCs. but for less than 300 bucks, teh wx 5100 is a great deal

@vnyggi621

6 жыл бұрын

Daniel Rodriguez-Delgado VR and OC for workstation pcs lul

@DanielRodriguez-fg5ll

6 жыл бұрын

v Nyggi well I see your point but if for the same price I also get some VR after hours why not; also AMD cards have dual drivers so in gaming mode you can easily increase power delivery and get the 7100 to perform very close to and RX 480/580

Where are the Radeon Pro WX series graphics card?

@moy2010

6 жыл бұрын

They didn't pay LTT as Nvidia did to get this video done...

@penwoopydo

6 жыл бұрын

Moises Garcia Marquez Linus' crew asked for the cards, he could have asked amd for the WX cards but maybe he didn't know about them?

@yattasuccess9212

6 жыл бұрын

Most likely either didn't remember, or completely ruled them out since Vega seemed good enough, of course, i'm not Linus. And or maybe he never considered them because of Driver Issues or whatsoever, or maybe AMD aren't the types of people to hand out such cards despite Age and price.

@morosis82

6 жыл бұрын

Or he had the Quadro cards sitting on a shelf, and no Radeon Pro's.

great stuff... helped to find me SPEC benchmark to test the hardware for one specific software

Great video! Thank you! This reaffirms my decision (post-purchase, it shows up tomorrow-ish)! I needed a mobile workstation for design on the go (I hate being cooped up in an office and prefer to engineer at library's, outdoors, etc. Al's need to work on commercial flights and transport, etc.) Being that I'm in the middle of a start up I needed the most power for my budget which was about $2k. I settled on, and purchased, an MSI WE63 8SJ-280 with Xeon E-2176M, 32gb RAM, 512gb NVMe SSD + 1tb Seagate Firecuda SSHD, Nvidia Quadro P2000. Should handle most of what I throw at it, and hopefully won't burn up with some CFD. One thing you didnt mention is that Xeon cores are encouraged because of their error correction ability. A single error can crash a several hour computation/simulation.

Wait...so you just recommended the Xeon W 18 core for the "upgrade" option for multicore rendering at 2500$ (excluding the cost of the board and wasn't even included in the benchmarks) and completely ignored Threadripper at HALF that price for the same performance AND including benchmarks that show 2 Xeons with 44 cores in total not even being 100% faster than that 16 core TR?? As well as completely ignoring that AMD's WX series GPU's even exist? What gives??

@SyncF

6 жыл бұрын

SepherixTheDragon I agree on this. The 8700k is a massively overrated CPU, I don't see why he recommends it in EVERY single fucking video for EVERYTHING when you have TR, X299, X99 (for cheaper) Epyc, and better Xeon second hand CPUs... He's also ignoring other GPU options. Linus is just not genuine anymore

@Harryw007

6 жыл бұрын

I have a second hand Xeon e5 2680 v2 (10c/20t), I don’t do modelling but I do a tonne of Virtualization and I can tell you that it is a total beast and it only costed me $220!

@prestondial1992

5 жыл бұрын

A lot of high powered applications don't play with AMD hardware very well. For instance, tensor flow works much better on Nvidia GPUs. Its a sad but true reality, perhaps if AMDs popularity keeps rising developers with optimize for it better.

@rochenwolf6113

5 жыл бұрын

Between Linus who does this shit for a living and all of y'all doctors in engineering, I'm going with what Linus is saying. You gotta keep in mind that simple performance isn't the only priority. You need platform stability. If you're working on a 50,000$ project and you lose it because your cpu decided to be retarded, the performance doesn't matter. And if you look at most workstations, blade servers and data centers anywhere, intel is a clear choice.

@JoseLuis-kk5jt

5 жыл бұрын

No, go to WX 2990 is 50% more faster than the i9 7980XE in multirendering ;) AMD 5100 points in cinebench 5700 with a little overclock Intel 3400 points The reason AMD has 64 threads and Intel has 36 threads.

Well, the shitty computers at school work so 😂😂

@adamstephenson14

6 жыл бұрын

'Shitty' is definitely the word. The ones I used for CAD at school were using GTX260 + i3 530 with 2GB of RAM which was painful...

@yuub0t246

6 жыл бұрын

Adam Stephenson Can't believe you even had a dedicated gpu lol

@TheEpicAppleEater01

6 жыл бұрын

The ones in the CAD room have some first gen i7s and some Quadro K-omething

@sav22rem22

6 жыл бұрын

My highschool cad classes had old 4c 8t xeons and a quadro 2000 with 8gb of ram

@sleaf6

6 жыл бұрын

we all got 16GB, xeons and Quadros in our engineering labs

When could we maybe see an updated version off this??

We need an updated version of this video

Couldn't get any Radeon Pro cards to add to the test?

@halsaufschneider1446

6 жыл бұрын

Or simply didn't want to... tinfoil hat melts away... oh wait, thats no tinfoil hat, thats a T-1000............

Kinda bummed you didn't include the Radeon pro WX9000 series into the comparison but otherwise a great video :)

@BrentRoss

6 жыл бұрын

ThEcRaZ3dGaM3R im sure they wouldnt have gotten free quadros to sample if they included radeon pro

@Djhg2000

6 жыл бұрын

+ThEcRaZ3dGaM3R Welcome to NvidiaTechTips

@Jeremy-Biggers

6 жыл бұрын

I don't think it would honestly score much differently than the Vega Frontier edition

@BrentRoss

6 жыл бұрын

ThEcRaZ3dGaM3R i dont care if radeon pro would have won or not... It should have at least been present to fail. No reason to leave them out

@DigBipper188

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with that. Linus should have included cards like the Radeon SSG or the WX9100 just so we can see what team red (blue in the instance of RPRO) has to offer for the professional market. Kinda biased to only include the Radeon RX series cards imho.

Love the videos that you make, thank you. Can you please update this video for 2019, well its almost 2020. Would be awesome. You make awesome videos. keep it up.

I'm using amd athlon x3 3500mhz, 8gb of ram and ati 6850 2gb ( old as f***) for 3ds max and i don't have any problems so far, using this configuration for more than 7 years. I don't make monster heavy scenes, but its ok for high/low poly, zbrush etc. Rendering could be a problem maybe, but I mostly render in marmoset .

Radeon Pro. ex WX 5100. Best deal.

@issy37413

6 жыл бұрын

Could I get a laptop with a Rx 460 and amd a10 9630p for cad My minimum spec I need is a Quadro k4000 or equilevent And a i5 of i7 processor equilevent

@plinknj9661

6 жыл бұрын

I was pretty disappointed that he didn't have any of the WX series cards on here, im running the 3100, which is the cheapest one in the series and have had no problem in large assemblies using autodesk inventor

@pavlosantoniou6301

6 жыл бұрын

techdiode should

@dstblj5222

6 жыл бұрын

WX cards struggle in solidworks but work great with inventor, something with the driver pathway with the amd pro drivers just don't play well with solidworks.

@dstblj5222

6 жыл бұрын

Well, I wish you the best in your cading career.

Title should have specified CAD / Solidworks. I came expecting Maya or Blender. Disappointed

@AdamWeeks

6 жыл бұрын

I do, however, think that the title was very generalized and the actual video did not give a generalized use case scenario, which would have been a better match for for this title.

@stayfrost04

6 жыл бұрын

I think Steve over GamersNexus did some video on Blender. Check them out.

@fixamo768

6 жыл бұрын

Thx

@Overpwn63

6 жыл бұрын

Same. Also the lack of Arnold and Vray rendering.

@DaemosDaen

6 жыл бұрын

How do you know they didn't ask and weren't told no?

We need another one of this videos!

In case it hadn't already been mentioned, title may be a tad bit misleading to folks searching. Solidworks is geared almost exclusively toward CAD/CAE usage; in the '3D modeling & design' world, where one's talking more about what's likely to be soft-body modeling (read: animated characters, animations in general, etc), one's looking at software like Rhino (to a lesser extent than the following software owing to its mainly-hardbody orientation), 3DS, Maya, Zbrush, Blender, Cinema4D and to a lesser extent than the aforementioned besides Rhino, Lightwave. 3DS, Maya, Zbrush and Cinema4D at least constitute 4 of the biggest players in the '3D modeling & design' world when one isn't talking CAD/CAE - so if you haven't already done another video on those (I haven't found one, maybe my search-fu is weak), maybe consider revisiting the topic testing those also.

I also tested that kinda stuff lately and was really surprised by my old quadro 600 which I considered pretty much useless because in gaming it delivered igpu performance. But when testing it with solidworks it actually performed just as good as my gtx 960 and on some occasions even better!

Why didn't you test the AMD Radeon PRO WX series cards?

@Thelango99

6 жыл бұрын

+shard gaming yes, but those that he tested apparently worked just fine using openCL and the AMD pro cards are better than the consumer RX cards at that.

@halsaufschneider1446

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe because biased?

I'd love to see you update this when the Zen2 Ryzen and TRs come out. Really interesting to see how the Quadro P1000 did against the big consumer gaming cards. Why is that ?

Please make this an annual test with the latest pro/consumer/prosumer hardware

Linus Tech Tips did you set your GPUs for compute performance instead of their default gaming stuff? Geforce especially there is a massive difference.

@brafmetoo7560

6 жыл бұрын

CreativePathoz That's actually a really good question

@sk8mag99

6 жыл бұрын

I don't recall seeing that option on my 1080, but to be fair I haven't really looked into it too much.

@justincredible5406

6 жыл бұрын

What will you compute? Solidworks doesn't use calculation GPU acceleration

@Pathoz

6 жыл бұрын

First you go into Geforce control panel then manage 3D settings. under there look for optimize for compute performance then turn it on. This is also how you mine if you are into crypto mining.

@altairfoo1920

6 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, I didn't find this option when I'm using GTX1080Ti, but I did find it when my GTX970m is enabled. They are both CUDA 9.1 drivers(same installer)

So i do a lot of work in rhino, 3dsmax, vray, lumion, revit and archicad, photoshop etc etc... i have to choose right now between a quadro p4000 and gtx 1080Ti to go with my ryzen 7 2700x. Wich one do you recommand?

@chriscasseday7707

5 жыл бұрын

@hamza boufous - Go for the Quadro P4000. Not as good for gaming. But MUCH better and accurate modeling and texture capabilities. Quadro chips are cherry picked. Best of production chips. Instead of it will do. And the drivers are a lot more stable.

Great video! Please do another video like this with the latest and greatest hardware out now.

Could you help me choose a processor for 3D CAD modelling? Xeon or i7? I work with Solid edge aand deal with atleast 2000 parts per assembly.

No Radeon Pro WX cards in the lineup? The WX 7100 are only $450 right now, where are the RX cards are insanely price high at the moment, for what they are. The WX drivers are vetted for like 99% of CAD, rendering and other workstation software.

Why no AMD 's workstation Radeo Pro cards?

@bladerj

6 жыл бұрын

video sponsored by zotac....do you see any AMD in their line up ?

@DetectiveBlackCat

6 жыл бұрын

Eventually, you will need cuda for something, and AMD cards don't have cuda.

@MJ-uk6lu

6 жыл бұрын

They are clearly better, so it would be no competition

@aliyousif8765

6 жыл бұрын

Harry He amd have stream processors i think they are the same as cuda

@eastonwilliams1722

6 жыл бұрын

WHOA WHOA WHOA. No Nvidia is NOT better, no CUDA is NOT needed. Give me a break, the misinformation is extreme here. CUDA is the same as Stream Processors with AMD. The only difference is that some softwares take advantage of "CUDA cores" (as if they're some mighty cores) because they only optimize their software for Nvidia. My AMD Fury rips the 1070 and even 1080 a new asshole when it comes to game design and rendering because it has more power, AMD has always had more raw processing power whereas Nvidia only cares about speed, which is only good for FPS. AMD offers free Radeon Prorender, whereas with Nvidia you have to Shell out $300 to use their renderer that does the same thing. Nvidia makes you pay for $100 extra Vsync too. Seriously how could you even say something so stupid when Linus literally just showed you benchmarks of AMD shreading Nvidia in Solid works. And the only reason "Quadro" or even the WX series GPUs have any lead on gaming GPUs is not because they have more power (in fact they have half the power) but because they are optimize ld for the softwsre

I didn't know that running your laptop on 100% CPU utilization for 20 hours could do such damage on a large scale. Poor Alex!

pls make a 2019/2020 version

So are you completely going to ignore Radeon Pro WX and Pro SSG series? You know, AMD's counterpart to Quadro...

@eastonwilliams1722

6 жыл бұрын

Curious Frost Yeah, which is better, has more power and is half the price haha

@dankabal

6 жыл бұрын

inVidia It's meant to be payed :)

Can you do it with Solidworks internal benchmarks? And use "certified" driver's please. It makes all the difference.

I want an update with zbrush, Maya, Blender, Mudbox, Houdini, etc.

Nice video. I would love to see one done for a C4D and Adobe Aftereffects & Premiere software rendering and daytime editing.

When I was in undergrad and using SolidWorks and AutoDesk basically everyday, I used a phenom II 840 all stock. Thats it; no GPU at all and here I am with a degree in biomedical engineering

What about FirePro cards?

@blindassassin111

6 жыл бұрын

Solidworks has always worked better on quadro over FirePro as it has features that specifically work on quadros and not on FirePro cards. But personally I prefer quadros but that is just a bias.

@eldritchincantation5027

6 жыл бұрын

AMD didn't pay for this ad.

What about Ryzen 3000 series chips? I use auto desk 3ds max but I like to game to. i was planing on getting a new x570 motherboard & ryzen 3000 series processor in July. Am I making the right choice?

@jonatas_alves_arranjos

5 жыл бұрын

Me too, did You have some choice? I was planning to get a Ryzen 5 1600 + 16 Gb RAM + rx 570 8Gb

subbed for the good content. very informative, thank you

Hey Linus! I am an aspiring sound designer, can you make a video that goes through computer hardware that covers what can be an ultimate computer for a sound mixer?

@redvivid

6 жыл бұрын

Don Bastian you don't need much. Any modern cpu with 4 GB of ram and 1tb HDD will work. What matters must is the D/A converters which you'd have to buy from like Sweetwater or guitar center.

@r_dreamer5462

6 жыл бұрын

ezar howard I heard once about increasing rendering speed using a GPU. I'm not quite sure how it works but apparently it works incredibly well, do you know about anything about that? It could be quite useful for me

@SuperSilvi1990

6 жыл бұрын

FAST HARD DRIVES........ AS MANY AS YOU CAN GET. I run a i7 with 16gb of ram, a 250 gb nvme drive for os, a 1tb mass storage hard drive for regular programs, a 3tb hard drive for my music files and a 500gb ssd for music programs. Music files will add up quick especially if your like me and you keep every little idea that you make.

@spakeschannel

6 жыл бұрын

Glenn from SpectreSoundStudios and Ryan "Fluff" Bruse might have some tips on PC hardware.

@danniemck

6 жыл бұрын

Oh you'll need some specialised computer hardware for that (if you wanna go pro) grab yourself a soundcard. Chuck it in a home desktop. She'll be right.

Why weren't included the AMD workstation class GPUs in the comparison? I is quite obvious that the whole video becomes misleading and unfair without them.

@Asianese

6 жыл бұрын

shadowmap maybe cuz AMD can't afford to send free stuff to Linus and Linus can't afford to buy them.

@vgamesx1

6 жыл бұрын

Asiandeathgod doesn't really matter much what the reason is they didn't include them, the fact is the comparison is incomplete without them...

@bigtime9597

6 жыл бұрын

All major studios use NVidia GPUs, which is what he's going off of. AMD workstation GPUs, while cheaper, are just that; cheaper, in both speed and price. On top of that, AMD does not give the workstation graphics users access to a dedicated library of assets, like NVidia does (Gameworks, Hairworks, Lightworks). These are also a big part of why studios use them (Square Enix is an example).

@OopseaDoopsea

6 жыл бұрын

That's entirely not true. AMD's GPUs have historically performed better at compute across the board. Whether the software supports their pipelines is another issue entirely but AMD doesn't exactly keep their libraries closed off as much as nVidia does. It doesn't matter what -everyone- uses, if you're going to do comparisons at least make it fair and use the proper products from the competition to make your analysis have more weight. It's a bit disconcerting to see that Linus completely left out AMD's workstation cards by pretending they didn't exist at all. He even mentions that the Quadros have a superior driver pathway [for compute] and yet he still compares them to VEGA. As for Threadripper. I only take issue with his justification for simulation performance. Single core performance is nice and all but it means jack shit if your simulation is prone to errors, hence the importance of EEC memory. That's a huge selling point for Threadripper because it offers comparable performance while maintaining high end features that the i7's lack.

@bigtime9597

6 жыл бұрын

Vega Frontier is a $1000 GPU that caters more toward developers rather than consumers, which is why not many people have them. I can understand that he should've used some of Radeon's cards (which I know he can afford). Also, I've worked with both Radeon and Quadro. Quadro's been the champ for 3D rendering, except on Blender, which is a program that is more optimized for AMD GPUs. Programs like Maya, Octane and Redshift rely more heavily on NVidia hardware, and those are all industry standard programs.

It would be interesting to see a video for the year 2020 or 2021 and then in the field of medical technology, e.g. MRI or something like that.

@hdtv1063

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah

As a long time user I'm not sure AutoCAD deserves the title of 'aiding' your design....

@orvillethomas4464

4 жыл бұрын

Hey I'm a third year mechanical engineering student. Should I get a quadro laptop?

@itaiazerad5595

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 Used autocad since version 10. What a horrible program. Thank god for Rhino

The most useful video in a long time. Here’s another idea, Premiere Pro testing! Cuda vs open CL, mainstream gpu’s vs professional gpu’s like quadro and firepro, same thing for cpu’s!

@XSpamDragonX

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, really disappointed they basically ignored anything other than Solidworks, and didn't even mention the fact that some software that uses CUDA isn't gonna do well with an AMD GPU.

How about the Radeon Pro WX 9100?

@nopal87

6 жыл бұрын

or any other PRO WX card?...

@it3893

6 жыл бұрын

Or any FirePro

@MazeFrame

6 жыл бұрын

Or anything from the Tesla line? Someone at LTT did not do their homework.

Can we have an updated version of this video please? Would be great to see what it’s like nowadays

Almost 3 years have past , could u guys please make another one of these?

OK, then. I'll go buy a RX 580. Now, where are those?

@steelscooter

6 жыл бұрын

IIARROWS "Great bang for buck" 😔

@Flyinghotpocket

6 жыл бұрын

you dont want a rx 580. thats a bad recommendation. you want amd's pro series. the wx7100 is the rx 580 of the cad world.

@IIARROWS

6 жыл бұрын

Flyinghotpocket Watch the video... hint 4:35

@NovaDoll

6 жыл бұрын

Micro center

@Flyinghotpocket

6 жыл бұрын

i watched it. now look up some specs. since linus conveniently ignored the radeon pro series. and coming from real life experience (something you lack) i can tell you the 580 is inferior in cad design to a wx7100.

this misinformation was fed to linus by his subordinate. nonetheless, its fairly useful for engineering students. who will end up working for corporations who just throw HP Z series desktops at the problem. the Real user are mograph, gamedev, and previz creators, who swear by Nvidia and use much more different software.

Hi, what video card do you recommend for doing high quality video rendering, architecture, 3d model rendering, and virtual reality creation and playback? I use programs like zbrush, blender, meshmixer, fusion 360, solid work, and cinema 4D among others for what is 3D modeling, and 3DS MAX, sketchup, Lumion, Rhinoceros 3D, Revit, among others for what is architecture. I saw video cards such as the rtx 2070 super, amd vega 64, amd frontier, Radeon wx7100, and several more but I am not sure and your opinion would be very helpful to know which would serve me best for my needs in those price ranges

can you put a quadro card next to a RTX card? and get the modeling software to use de quadro card en the game the other?

@vacoff2717

4 жыл бұрын

No. U cant