Of course I don't have Empathy for both sides. It's a survivor perk.

@pyrac.

10 ай бұрын

funny!

@ncc1206

10 ай бұрын

W

@xian2633

6 ай бұрын

LMAO

As a killer, I've already forgotten who I've hooked 2 seconds after.

@ethanpeeples6187

10 ай бұрын

Pothead problems. For me at least

@Towerofhell

10 ай бұрын

Yeah same. I play this game casually and i allocate very little memory to each match

@mikeymele

10 ай бұрын

I wish the game gave you the same hook counter states for killer like they do survivor. I honestly try not to actively tunnel but sometimes you just forget or have multiple survivors being the same person. It would be a nice quality of life change for most of the killer mains who really try their best to spread pressure and not tunnel someone out of a match.

@bak3d_b4ts75

10 ай бұрын

My favorite is when the survivors all wear the same thing, and get accused of tunneling. As survivor I always make sure I look the goofiest so no one wants to copy me

@vivisbestie4647

10 ай бұрын

right like we have so much going on we forget

what killers need to understand is that the hook goes like through my body, and it hurts really bad, and I don't want it to happen so please stop doing that to me :(

@willnelson9906

10 ай бұрын

well you see, what Survivors really need to understand is that i have this really sharp knife, and the sensation of sliding it between your ribcage fills me with joy. also the entity is my mom.

@ultimatedespair2368

10 ай бұрын

​@@willnelson9906Okay not gonna lie, the sharp knife thing sounded kinda hot

@Juntou

10 ай бұрын

@@willnelson9906honestly the entity being your mom is reason alone to use that knife. What the entity would have in store for you if you didn’t is far worse.

The natural lighting makes Scott look less dead

@devoteeofmediocrity821

10 ай бұрын

Heh. Dead by Daylight

@jimmiedabug

10 ай бұрын

From dead to deadish, lol

@CaptainCrackSparrow

10 ай бұрын

That's because he absorbed the previous home owners.

@DamienCloud

10 ай бұрын

Well a lot of his videos are insomnia middle of the night scenarios so he will look way better in daylight sun with a rested face haha

@Tory-JJ

10 ай бұрын

Nah thats just make up

It really baffled me to learn that most people don't play both sides when I got into the game. I'm definitely a killer main, but I play survivor a good bit when friends or my girlfriend want to play. I'm not saying it makes you immune to being tilted, but it's a lot easier to understand why person does x or y when you've experienced it firsthand. IG in the theme of the thread, I wish more people would just play the other side a while so that they can understand why people play the way they do sometimes.

@tomh779

10 ай бұрын

Right? I cannot believe that people don’t play both sides specially people who only play surv that shit would be boring AF.

@vry6946

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, people who only play survivor or killer are the most likely to believe their opinions are correct because they don't understand the opposite role From the beginning I learned why killers tunnel or camp and I never had a problem with them doing it to me

@CelsiusNK

10 ай бұрын

the killer role in general has always been been boring to me even on other games similar to dbd. Doesn't matter the strength of the role or anything like that I just don't like doing the chasing prefer being chased and hiding and stuff all the way back from hide and seek a a kid.

@jans8675

10 ай бұрын

Unfortunately if somebody starts out playin dbd on one side, they already see the game only from that perspective most of the time, so they will interpret everything that happens when they play the other role in their own way.

@Pablo-pr4vg

10 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@jans8675Idk dude I started in late 2017 maining survivor but since they ruined survivor movement+mmr making killers play like it’s a tourney Vs solos I’ve been forced to main killer which was never my intention, I think people can be forced into a role even if they don’t particularly want to play that side more (I could play swf but that’s probably the most boring of the 3) and yet I still have mostly survivor bias opinions and feel more compassion for solos over anything.

As a survivor, I want Scott to remember when he got 360'd by that Quentin.

@YeOldeYeet

10 ай бұрын

Liking and replying for more exposure, he can never forget the most monumental moment in his career

I play both sides, but the title one is the biggest feel for me. I'll get 6-8 hooks with no kills and survivors will still tbag stall at the gate and "gg ez git gud". The body block when you purposefully don't tunnel them is also true. Survivors really do take advantage of killers being nice and wonder why they don't do it more lol.

@kasianowakowska7984

10 ай бұрын

Lol that's so true

@tinytelephones

10 ай бұрын

Some people just like to flame in video games. Nothing new, nothing to waste a second thought on.

@GG-kn2se

10 ай бұрын

But it’s absolutely nothing compared to being held hostage in a game by a killer. Slugging, forcing you to crawl to hatch they’re standing on to slam it closed, waiting until you’re almost bled out to hook, following you as a slug. That happening once is worth 1000 flashlight clicks. Also I’d rather get t-bagged by everyone than be tunnelled and camped out the game.

@alexflorek6527

10 ай бұрын

@@GG-kn2se Why do you bring this up? That's another problem with the community, don't try to make it look like you have it worse. Both sides have problems and, while getting bled out is tedious indeed, it might even have to do with how you played so let's look at 2 cases: 1. You were being "toxic" and brought it upon yourself, so deal with it. 2. You played chill and received that treatment for no reason. Its kind of the same as the original scenario. Survivor has to wait longer when being held hostage but, as killer it requires way more going out of your way to ensure the survivors have a good time and feel the game is fair for them. If you do all that just out of PURE kindness and compassion to make the game feel better for everyone and then they spit in your face its a way worse FEELING and, don't pretend you can't just get on your phone or do something else for 4 minutes when getting bled out. And if its the feeling that you didn't desrve being bled out that bothers you, well then, again, a killer goes way more out of their way to get 8 hooks with 0 kills than you think (when they actually do it, that is) so then you could really understand how shit that must feel for them too. Its not about the teabags or clicks its about the fact that you did something you weren't supposed to do because you wanted to be nice and put yourself through a way harder game than needed, just for the survivors' sake who then disrespect the shit out of you, and in cases even pretend they stomped you, when you clearly didn't play as hard as you could so they can have fun.

@bap8195

10 ай бұрын

​@@alexflorek6527the fact you brought this up like getting slugged and bled out is anything to a damn tbag is ridiculous.Tbags don't stop you from playing the game.Tbags don't hold you hostage period.I get tbagged idgaf I don't waste time on it.Its not affecting me.If you play killer and are bothered by a tbag you're weak minded and let anything control your mind.Get it together

This is small, but as a killer main one thing that used to always make me happy was having a non toxic interaction at the exit gate with anyone who escapes. I've truly enjoyed matches where I've been completely stomped for no other reason than that the survivors did a little dance and dropped a flashlight for me when I nodded at them at the end.

"Just go kick pallets if survivors are refusing to leave at endgame" Killers with brutal strength, spirit fury, and enduring: 👁👄👁

@GoldKitsuneBrony

10 ай бұрын

Can also break breakable walls, stomp boons if any and for a lot of killers spam your power.

@Bthakilla4rilla

10 ай бұрын

@@GoldKitsuneBrony Well that much is obvious, but I was really just trying to be funny

@serioustable8659

10 ай бұрын

I once got an exit gate teabagger to come back in and stun me with a pallet. Except I was running spirit fury, enduring, nemesis, and rancor

@Helena-me6mp

10 ай бұрын

@@serioustable8659 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA, i would pay for the footage!

That we should watch Scott ramble about Dead by daylight politics for hours.

@DulfyBee

10 ай бұрын

I would fall asleep to this in bed or have it on in the background while playing a calm game or something tbh that sounds amazing

@theintelligentmilkjug944

10 ай бұрын

@@DulfyBee literally what I've been doing throughout this video

@ComradeMaryFromMars

10 ай бұрын

Survivorism vs killerism

@astrobear5195

10 ай бұрын

​@@ComradeMaryFromMars💀

I played a match on RPD the other day where I was last alive against Nemesis, and i started opening the front gate as he came at me. I ran directly at him to let him get me because I didn’t have enough time to open it, and he turned to the left and swung at open air because he thought I was going to juke him out, so we just stood there for 15 uninterrupted seconds staring at each other

One thing i wish people understood better was just because somehow have thousands of hours it doesn’t mean they always trying their hardest to win. Sometimes people just have bad days or are fucking around.

@NatOfTheManyCats

10 ай бұрын

For real, though. Please don't mistake my character Prestige for skill. I assure you, I don't learn from my mistakes. I'm still ass 😂

5:20 this is definitely different for more advanced killers (like you Scott) but most intermediate/beginner killers are too focused on chases to pay attention to who is helping their team and who isn’t. Specifically for me when I see a survivor I haven’t seen the whole game after already killing two people I’m never sure if they’ve been on gens the whole time or hiding in a corner.

@tornndistressed

10 ай бұрын

theres always one claud that has achieved omnipotence and manages to hide in a corner all match while doing gens at the same time

@bak3d_b4ts75

10 ай бұрын

Honestly I wish there was survivor stats, or something that showed up when you're chasing them so you can know if someone has been a bad teammate. Maybe like a perk that activates during bloodlust that give survivors an aura when in line of sight, the better player is doing in in-game, the more intense the aura is

@willyates6266

10 ай бұрын

@@tornndistressedBro deadass I haven’t seen any Claudette’s yet in my short time as killer. I’m hella good at stealthing away with self-aware though. Killers lose me after one loop😂

@hallowedchromee310

10 ай бұрын

@@willyates6266 I just play Ada and all of a sudden killers just lose me in midchase while I’m running to different loops. I don’t even understand why either because I have a decently high MMR (judging off the killers I receive) and I have no exhaustion or evasion perks on usually. In fact its the reason why I don’t run those perks, I don’t really need them lol. Although I’ve figured that Ada is just a hella quiet survivor and it probably throws the killer off and gives me distance.

The second point is rlly good. I remember one time I went against Scott on RPD, and I was playing Carlos. I mindgamed him at a really unsafe pallet by not falling for like 4 of his fakes, and when he swung for real I vaulted. He wasn't mad, all he had to say was 'damn okay' with a little smirk, and the entire chat just filled with '*Chad emote* Carlos' xdd. If survivors do cool shit against me when I'm playing killer I might be annoyed but it'll still be a 'jeeze good job'

@renjiaow3742

10 ай бұрын

Do you remember when that match was? I think I was watching it.

As a survivor, my goal is to make the killer laugh out loud at an interaction with me. If I can get that, I consider it a win no matter what else happens.

2:54 tell that to the Quentin that spun you on the basement stairs

@dunderbutt5386

10 ай бұрын

never forget

@tatzooism

10 ай бұрын

Quentin's arc from getting reversed chainsawed while hiding in a corner to getting a spin on Scott is really inspiring

Essentially most of the Survivor vs Killer dynamic boils down to: do unto others what you wish to be done unto you.

I love the image of the killers and survivors in a group therapy styled room talking to each other. Like, "Damn, that was a really good chase Steve." "Hey thanks Bob, I had fun too man."

I think if we all agreed to play stardew valley or something together whenever we load in to borgo, this game would be much better

@geromeleanospaez4877

10 ай бұрын

This I just need someone to play Mario party with pls

As a killer i would like survivors to understand that when they are playing the same survivor with the exact same skin its really hard not to tunnel someone on accident

@Dabajaws

4 ай бұрын

I feel this

Sometimes when I notice a killer being really nice and letting everyone farm BP and escape, I willingly give myself up as sacrifice so the killer can at least eliminate someone on hook

As someone who plays both sides, I see this vid as an absolute win.

It amazes me how people who only play one role have such awful opinions about the game seemingly without fail. I can read comments and immediately know that this person only plays killer/survivor, it's so obvious.

@deadcam5639

10 ай бұрын

I feel that on another level

I really wish more people played both sides, it’d be amazing for empathy

@shadesteel9247

10 ай бұрын

I think I've become more apathetic playing both sides. I learned most of the complaints both sides have are just whining and that the actual problems in the game mainly come from the devs not the players imo.

One of the big things for me is that if I see that a Survivor is about to go to the next stage of Hook Progress, I will usually start heading back to intercept. I'm going to capitalize on Survivors being slow to keep their team alive.

@alexflorek6527

10 ай бұрын

Yess like, if you just commit gens and try to save last sec, don't be surprised if the killer capitalises on that. If you want to prioritize your gens that badly and be so efficient the killer can do the same and secure the additional hook stage as well.

@willyates6266

10 ай бұрын

Yes exactly. And when they take to long and start performing rushed actions everything. Yesterday I only found the dude because I heard him doing 3 rushed vaults trying to get to hook

@Boss24601

10 ай бұрын

Real. I will hook someone, go kick a gen, get a hit, then if i’m led back towards hook i’m going to leave that survivor and go secure a stage/kill. Its just the smartest thing to do. Your team waited.

@hallowedchromee310

10 ай бұрын

I think people only really get upset over that because you’re punishing the person on hook more, but still punishing the team as a whole. Its not really the hooked person’s fault their team can’t make proper prioritizing. But there’s literally nothing wrong with going back to hook if you have suspicion or reason to believe there’s a survivor there trying to get unhook. People really complain about camping while they themselves are right there at the hook forcing the killer to stay there lmao.

Imma just say it: the moment you do something to progress the game, it’s no longer tunneling. The moment you body block, work on a gen, go for an unhook, try to heal, etc. you are fair game in my eyes

@ultimatedespair2368

10 ай бұрын

Valid

@death8156

10 ай бұрын

It’s still tunneling, aside from body blocking you asked for it at that point. But otherwise it’s still tunneling, not shaming I do it if someone is annoying.

I try to play casually, load into a game against a pro sweat blight . Then next game bring sweat build for survivor and run into a wholesome bubba. I think we need different modes for casual or ranked or something but that gets complicated as well

16:25 my favorite part about this is killer is how I can step off the gas, spread hooks, and ultimately earn more bp by chasing more. It beats just wiping a team at 5 gens and earning 15k bp

Im a survivor main. I played killer a bit did decently well because my friend was an experienced player on both sides who taught me the fundamentals. I had a game on Hawkins were i got destroyed, and it made understand the difficulties of killer. Also playing Jason in f13 helped me understand that survivors are just the power role in most asyms, and these games depend on the balance of the 2 roles feeling fair. This idea was reinforced when i played evil dead which is a nightmare to play demon. Most people aren't trying to be malicious. They just want to enjoy the game. Wether they play optimally, or not.

This video could have been twice as long and I would have watched all of it

The biggest issue I tend to have during games is that I just can't remember everything that happened within that game. To much is happening throughout the game for me to remember, for instance, if I just hooked this person, or where the gen that I heard was almost done was at again. I'm not a good enough killer or survivor to be as lenient as I would like to be either. I'm by no means a terrible killer or survivor, but I am not nearly as good as a lot of people either. Edit: Also, on of the biggest things I see; just because you want to farm, doesn't mean the other side does as well. I might farm every now and then if there's a DC or something at the start of the match, but that doesn't mean I'm going to every time. Sometimes I just want to play a normal game when you want to farm, or maybe even just get the match over with as quickly as possible and move on to the next one if there was a DC. Edit 2 (because why not): Another one that I don't really tend to see too often, just because I'm running meta perks doesn't automatically mean I'm gonna tryhard my ass off to win, sometimes I forget to change perks, or even just don't feel like changing them.

@alexflorek6527

10 ай бұрын

Really nice points. Farming: Its really fun how survivors get mad if you don't farm with them after an early dc or suicide but, as you said not only you don't always just want to farm, but you're also kind of doing them a favor when the game just ends in 2 minutes and everyone moves on to next imo or, sometimes you can have a challenge that requires you to get kills, its really not out of sweat or malicious intent for the most part. Also I'd like to add to the tryhard thing: Its not just that you sometimes forget to switch perks. for me when I have very strong perks, the way I use them depends on how the game goes, what killer and map it is etc. Let's say I have otr, I'm not gonna aggressively bodyblock a Trapper with it but, I might try to use it aggressively against an alch ring Blight bc every second I buy for my team is precious and, the killer is clearly ready to handle it, heck it might even be a MUST if I want to put up a fight against that to begin with. Its sort of like what Scott mentioned about adepting your "sweat level" or playstyle on the fly. I think that goes the for stronger perks and their use, not just for playstyles.

If you only play one side, try playing the other side for a bit. You may not have as much fun but the sense of euphoria and perspective you gain is really something. Plus it improves your skill on the side you prefer.

I think if its mediocre survivors going into a mediocre killer tunneling one person as fast as possible is a free win a good 80% of the time. There are often survivors who desperately try to save the guy being tunneled during that time so maybe one or two gens get finished before they die.

9:38 i feel like gen rushing can also be a team that brings toolboxes with good add ons/gen perks with the intent to rush gens

@willyates6266

10 ай бұрын

That’s me lol. Not really toolboxes, but I’m going for those Gen based perks. Vittorio perks with stake out.

Probably one of my favorite videos you've done, yet. Thanks for spreading the awareness

I love playing Killer because I'm not really trying to win as much as I'm trying to make it an exciting match for the survivors. I want to put the pressure on them JUST enough that they feel so excited to make a close escape. My favorite rounds are ones where I did amazing and the survivors still won, because I know they're probably super excited

It always feels good when you read a killers double back and then leave the loop and they are still on the loop looking for you before they realize you aren't there as you are already half way across map. Like simply running one way after vaulting a window and then turning around the second the killer turns to cut you off always feels great. However when they catch me and cut me off on my juke, it's even cooler, like damn they knew!

"I got Genrushed!" and it's just 4 different people pressing a button for 90s cuz somehow, the Killer didn't find anyone in all that time. Despite seeing all the Gen auras.

@kamehamehaDdragon

10 ай бұрын

Nah, but Scott forgot that sometimes those survivors got full builds for doing gens faster, toolboxes and gen related perks. Instead of 90 seconds sometimes the first and second generator pop at the 40-50 sec mark, while you were chasing a survivor and hooked him, ans you are like, how? and when you check the lobby at the end you see they got a bunch of gen related builds, then you are like, oh I see. That is what gen rushing is, literally having a build to finish gens quicker.

@Ben_of_Milam_Music

10 ай бұрын

actual genrushing is pretty rare, you see it like once every couple hundred games. Matches where all four survivors bring full gen repair loadouts, and let their teammates go second stage on first hook without ever trying to go for save. They stick to gens instead because they can finish all five and leave before the killer can realistically do anything about it. Like I said, extremely rare. Most people have probably never played a match like that before.

@kamehamehaDdragon

10 ай бұрын

@@Ben_of_Milam_Music yea... I dont think the letting their team go to second phase in order to continue doing the gens is a particular aspect of gen rushing, just the "im going to make a build to do gens faster" , is gen rushing. If I were to put a term of that letting team die in order to continue doing gens thing that Scott mentioned, I would call it gen tunneling not gen rushing.

@Ben_of_Milam_Music

10 ай бұрын

@@kamehamehaDdragon letting your team die to do gens is the OG definition of gen rushing. ever hear the phrase "gens before friends"? It's been a thing for years

@kamehamehaDdragon

10 ай бұрын

@@Ben_of_Milam_Music well I didn't know that to be honest, I have seen plenty survs do gens while their friends are hooked and then save or trade last second, I guess that could also be gen rushing as well. But anyway aside from that, wouldn't you call a team, "a gen rushing team" if they finished all gens at the 3 minute mark? and then when you look at the lobby you see they had a build for it. Because I have had that since last patch, and its not like I've been afk as killer, but survivors split up and got a good build for soloing gens. Which is totally fair, but I call that gen rushing as well.

My fav is when you hook guy with a flashlight, they get unhooked and proceed to run behind you (to fish for fl save) and you turn around, down and hook them again, and again, and in the end they call you tunneler xD

You can DEFINITELY tell when a survivor is useless or even detrimental if you pay the slightest bit of attention. Stuff like being spotted and then taking a chase near a hooked person or not doing saves when it’s important

@shadesteel9247

10 ай бұрын

Agreed, the only time its an issue is if it's a group of the same skin, and even then usually thats because its a memeing sfw team. If you don't know whose doing what in your matches then you instantly should know your problem in your matches.

i swear i love like almost helping the survivors when i play killer because im a survivor main and i like fun more than anything ya know those slow turn moments where both sides just slowly turn towards each other and there's a general agreement that the survivor should be dead because they tried something really cool and failed in those moments i usually just let them go because ik how it feels

The reason we bring meta perks is because we do not know how sweaty a killer will play

@noogs-

10 ай бұрын

tru!! and alot of my "meta" perks are things that prevent "scummy" play styles, like tunneling (otr) slugging, (unbreakable) camping, (reassurance) and the last perk tends to be a perk for my own comfort, like either an exhaustion perk, or something else

@keys5595

10 ай бұрын

@@twosoup3252that’s a very subjective opinion

@twosoup3252

10 ай бұрын

@@keys5595 I mean fun is always subjective, that sentence means a lot less than you think it does. I can say “that’s a very subjective opinion” when survivors say it’s not fun to play for 40 minutes against a 3 gen skull merchant.

@keys5595

10 ай бұрын

⁠@@twosoup3252mean by that logic your whole first statement means a lot less then you think it does lol. It also was VERY broad. I do not agree that killer meta is boring to play as or against. I do agree with your very specific scenario though. I think it can be if you apply it in certain way like your example. The same way survivor meta can be boring if applied a certain way.

@Wurps

10 ай бұрын

You forgot to say cap

Man that "genrushing" part instantly reminded me of d3ad, I have no idea if it's a meme around his community or something but I swear he calls genrush and bullying on everything.

@toriannesinger

10 ай бұрын

It's a joke within' his community.

As a prior Killer main now survivor, I like to understand both sides. For example, "toxic" survivor squads may just be some friends having fun. Or tunneling killers might have just had a bad game. No matter what happens though the sides are too different to avoid controversies.

13:03 Man, I can't say how much that feels true. I can tell I've hit Top MMR on both sides and the matches just hit a major difficulty spike.

sock jaundice once again with the top tier takes

Whenever I mess around and play with non-meta perks, the experience is way more fun because I have to figure out what play style would maximize my load out versus playing with the same meta perks but it’s an arms race. You are disincentivized to do this because most of the time the other side is going to bring the strongest stuff and playing with new perks would put me at a disadvantage. I feel like if they gave you an option to play with a randomized loadout for a blood point boost or something, you would see many more rare perk combos and make the game less monotonous

loving your videos like this bro

The post is about empathy but when the response to tunneling and camping is "Yeah but I want to win, " maybe the post has failed.

@helion2018

10 ай бұрын

You wanna imply that camping and tunneling is inherently bad...? Oh boi, you are that kind of dbd player. Please do not ever watch tournament matches, you will get a stroke.

I mostly play killer but the thing I would say to other killers from the brief time I've played survivor, if you get run for a billion gens, the survivor (if they're anything like me when I play survivor) likely isn't thinking "lmaoooooo I've looped this noob baby killer for ages gg ez" they're probably thinking "AAAAAAAA HOW IS THIS CHASE STILL GOING SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP ME"

@willyates6266

10 ай бұрын

Eh I dunno about that. When you’re getting looped forever and they get the flashlight EVERY time and get every loop or vault without fail, I think they know what they doing.

Great reference to Dead by Daylight Scott jimmy

Tea bags when I’ve decided to tunnel someone cause I feel bad is fine. When I 8 hook it’s just annoying cause they don’t even know what’s going on? The people that bother me the most are the ones that forever desperately run away even after you’ve clearly started dropping them by gens cause you’re going to let them go

@tornndistressed

10 ай бұрын

but the latter is cute, its just a little guy that is literally so scared of killers he doesnt try to understand or even look behind, just run in panic forever

I really try not to tunnel but if i dont find anyone before an unhook ill go back to the hook. If i see the unhooker ill go for them, but theyre usually hiding while the unhooked is pretty much out in the open.

Home Sweet Home Online added a mode where 4 survivors play against 4 other survivors, and completing objectives can turn one of them into a killer for a time. If DBD could somehow invent a seasonal crazy 5-player game mode that works in that way, only permitting people to play as killer if they've somehow earned it, that could be really fun and reduce the "Us vs them" element during that gamemode. Another point: Many players, even streamers, overestimate their ability to communicate with their opposition in a memey way once the game is "over". Most people can't discern "Repair the generator", "do the point taunt at Victor", "boop the snoot", "I want to 1v1 you", "You can have hatch", "You can't have hatch but you can have the exit gates". When you get frustrated people don't acknowledge the order, keep in mind you're using something less precise than morse. On the original prompt about 8 hooks; I've been playing a few meme builds, and the funny thing is I mentally prepare myself for people teabagging at the exit, and thus don't care. I play enough survivor that I at least understand it's nice to burn off frustration winning against a Ghost Face that crouched in every chase.

As someone who only enjoys survivor, I really value these takes. I really make a conscious effort to give everyone in the match the benefit of the doubt, regardless of how they play.

6:02 It's very easy to tell when one of the survivors is being useless or trolling. The amount of time's I've had a survivor like blatantly block a doorway or pallet or sandbag me on purpose andt he killer still just downs me and takes me to a hook like they earned it. Its so annoying.

@Boss24601

10 ай бұрын

Still trying to win. Having a shit teammate sucks, but i’m also not gonna give up all my momentum because of your teammate.

@ItzAndyArson

10 ай бұрын

@@Boss24601 If winning means that much to you that you admit to being a bad sport then idk what to tell you my guy

@Boss24601

10 ай бұрын

@@ItzAndyArson how is that being a bad sport? If i want to win, getting a free down and slugging for the person 10 meters away from me is best. If you don’t want that, don’t be a bully swf all hovering around the killer.

@ItzAndyArson

10 ай бұрын

@@Boss24601 nobody is being a “bully squad” you’re telling me if you visibly see a survivor purposely sandbag another during a chase you’d take the free down and hook them for your win. Thats being a bad sport. Not hard to understand that lol.!

@Boss24601

10 ай бұрын

@@ItzAndyArson yes i would. The alternative is loosing momentum and the game. Just because one if your teammates throws does not mean i have to then tunnel them out of the match. That is not my job. Idk why you don’t understand that? My job is to win

Dude no way! That's me (hotaruuuuuuuuu) at 6:27! :Ddd I'm getting ready for work right now and I saw my comment in the thumbnail. Thanks for calling me based Scott, it was awesome to see you react to both of my comments!

As a survivor, I die a little inside every time I see my friends, or random teammates teabag.

People accuse me of tunneling when they all have the same character, same skin, same username, same blood type, same mother's maiden name, same DNA test

Back when I used to play this game, if a survivor never left the gates, I would just try to learn how to curve certain tiles with billy, especially when map changes were a bit annoying, 2 more minutes to practice X tile was helpful

You should definitely do another one of these.

I actually absolutely love that my knowledge of both sides of this game helps me whenever I'm vsing either side. The back and forth between killer and surv in chase is what really makes this game shine for me, and it's a shame that so much of it devolves into people just getting mad and being shitty to each other when they could just be enjoying that one side or another made a sick play. I get that sometimes it can feel annoying to get outplayed, I've been there, but man I've also ruined so many of my own games tripping up after getting tilted. Sometimes people need to just chill the fuck out lol. The only thing I actually want to add to the whole "killers don't pay attention to survivors that are not helping the team out" thing is that while I do try to do that, sometimes it does get by me and people have come at me for it. I've also just had people straight up lying about others in my games on both sides. Salty people claiming that someone didn't do anything, but the scores or my own experiences in the game told me otherwise. Just worth mentioning that sometimes people are just being bitchy.

16:24 absolutely agree. Every so often im matched against new players. Sometimes the laugh that it is to play with these guys is enough to let them all live, they all have individual archs that last 7 minutes

In my opinion, if you have a game with multiple roles, everybody should play every role, at least enough to understand that role.

@shadesteel9247

10 ай бұрын

Imo, play what's fun, do whatever you want, if you're toxic it will catch up with you, but by all means, no one owes anyone anything besides teammates.

The points really hit home around 17:00 for me. The moment that I just *stopped giving a shit* about what happens when I play killer and just do things that are funny or entertaining, to try and show people you can kick ass in style and not be a toxic cunt about it... That's when DBD became fun again. In controlled doses.

I love it when someone with no BT or OtR tries to bodyblock when I’m clearly trying my hardest not to tunnel. Normally they wait around 8 seconds in a doorway or something, realize that I’m not going to hit them, panic looking for safety for the last second or so, then go kiss rocks.

My thing is if I'm nearby when the unhook happened, I might go check if they are healing under hook, if you have time to heal under hook, you had time to get away after being unhooked.

Slugging isn't inherently toxic, it's just pressure: Sacrifice > Hook > Slug > Chase > Deep Wounds The optimal situation for a killer versus four is one on hook, one slugged, one in chase. Besides, survivors are getting more points picking up their teammate

@NatOfTheManyCats

10 ай бұрын

As a Survivor, I don't get the slug hate. I love it when it happens - feels like a second chance, and like you said, more BP. Also, if Killers never slug, I don't get to feel cool sprint bursting in with an FTP save. Also, I'm unreasonably amused when a Killer follows me for a slow slug-tour of the map, thinking I'm leading them to a teammate. You gotta enjoy the little things in life.

I enjoy DBD most when I apply equal effort to the opposition. If I'm killer and I see the survivors are having a hard time, I try to play in a way that gives them a chance to learn the game and enjoy the match. If I'm survivor and the killer isn't strong in chase or can't keep pressure up, I'll ease up on loops and try to give them a chance to improve. Easy quick matches aren't fun.

I wish survivors could have some type of sympathy for killers pov being first person. Like obviously we can't find you because you're peeking around corners and watching us while we can't see you. At least for me. I only go after survivors I see accidentally or patrol gens

One thing that i see a lot, is that the killer complaining about gen rushing are the same ones that focus chasing a single survivor , that is good at looping , for the entire match , without heading for a gen once

My mantra playing this game: it is not MY responsibility to make sure YOU are having fun. This gives me a pass for playing in a way I enjoy but others may not enjoy. It also is copium for me playing against something I don't like where I remind myself I am responsible for making my own fun and if I stop enjoying the game, I stop playing and do something else.

As a killer, I never camp for hook stages or rarely use expose perks because I'm trying to maximize blood points and I have my eyes set on that big blood point bonus at the end lol.

2:00 kinda agree, but the sad flip side is suddenly 3 gens pop during that first chase.

Here's an interesting take: Whether or not I tunnel you depends on how I skilled I am with a particular killer on certain maps. For example, I tend to play a lot of M1 killers and I tend to be really bad with these killers on maps like Springwood. Knowing how bad I am at Springwood I tend to play more aggressively on maps like that otherwise I know I'll quickly lose. The tunneling isn't personal or malicious, it's just that I know that certain maps aren't fair to certain killers in light of my skill, so I need to tip the scales in my favor a bit by tunneling someone out early.

ive thanked killers for playing nice but then they called me names cuz they were actually trying hard

I still enjoy the fact that I got a few miserable games as survivor and said "Fuck it, we ball" And played Hillbilly. I didnt tunnel camp slug, i intentionally let them get a few saves, even if I wasnt crushing them and tried to get them to get the invitations if they didnt have any. Cuz I kinda felt bad for people getting these crappy games where they cant even get the invintations, and it makes me smile that I know i didnt want to become a 'meta slave' I just hope everyone can enjoy the game like we are supposed to :)

@Pablo-pr4vg

10 ай бұрын

I mean yeah it’s almost like the golden rule but in Dbd terms “be the survivor/killer you’d wanna face”.

I swear man so many survivors will tbag me after i m2 only chase them for as long as possible just for the hell of it. i'll try to go for the craziest curves I can and the survivors will just sweat their asses off. and to the survivors who decide to sit on gens all game and then complain about not getting chased or only getting one chase because they're the last player, COME TAKE CHASE! I don't want to chase the same guy for the entire game, I want the game to be as interesting as possible.

Honestly for is that i wish that survivors would understand that camping and tunneling isnt always being done to ruin their experience. Sometimes its just the smartest way to play especially in late game.

@HexFemboy

10 ай бұрын

FWIW - Even being aware of that doesn't make it more fun, and it doesn't make it ruin the experience any less. Getting tunneled/camped out for the Nth game in a row because the killer couldn't win any chases/get any hooks doesn't make it less frustrating. It *is* the optimal play, and It's the fault of BHVR more than the Killer for designing the game in such a way, but it still sucks. Being aware of why they're doing it doesn't make it better.

@theoldfartnugget6251

10 ай бұрын

FOR REAL!!! They always take it like a personal attack.

@kisarameow5333

10 ай бұрын

I get it but It does suck when it happens several games throughout the day, especially when there’s only 0/1 gen done, if there’s 2/1 left I can understand it more

Mine would be this: If I am stomping you, it's not personal. Think of me as sweaty or whatever (you're probably right), but I'm bored. You aren't challenging me, and being held in an obviously losing game has never been fun for me. I'm just trying to get all of us out of here as soon as possible.

@NatOfTheManyCats

10 ай бұрын

I get that and appreciate it on some level, but man, please let me get enough points not to de-pip, lol 😭 Give me the dignity of finishing at least one gen!😆

When I wrote that reddit post drunk off my mind after being teabagged at exit gate by people I ilterally let escape, I didn't think it would become a scott jund video.

Man your comment on gauging the game early and how hard I'm trying is something I need to get better at. They just kept making it so easy on a RPD as Wesker and before I knew it they lost with no gens done and I had no way at the end of the game to apologize without it making me seem like a dick when I genuinely felt bad for not pulling the brakes

Some really great points

glad to see you're set up at the new place scut

scott preaching out here

Absolutely based take about tunnelling off hook if they try to get in your way, I play both sides and try to avoid heavy tunnelling where I can but man the second someone gets up in my face when I try to give them a breather god damn that hook will still be warm by the time they’re back on it

@mckenzieschmitt2841

10 ай бұрын

Unless they rush the unhook, you’re coming back to the hook. We don’t want our team mate, who saved us from a camping killer, to trade for us. Patel your gens. But if they’re dumb enough to run for the unhook before you can leave that is their fault

@ilyantares

10 ай бұрын

@@mckenzieschmitt2841 I usually go back to the hook after checking the progress on all of the gens. If there is no real progress, I know they have literally zero pressure on me, so I'm just gonna go back to the hook.

Big agree on mistreating survivors who deliberately screw over their teammates. I'm the killer here; the survivors should be worrying about me, not the Yui bodyblocking her teammates during a chase.

As a player I want the developers to understand every time I play against a skull merchant that camps a 3 gen from the start of the game, doesn’t commit to any chases, and just bleeds everyone out. I get a step closer to leaving DBD. The same goes for whenever I go against multiple BNP’s on an extremely bad map.

I'm a huge proponent of matching your opponents intensity AND skill level, on either side. I've been playing for a couple of years, but I have only met one team of survivors that was stomping me and decided to slow down on the gens and take some unnecessary chases with me. I almost always tone down the sweat when I can tell that the survivors I'm against are either, just trying to have a casual match and some fun chases or really can't beat me, if I go 100%.

When I play DBD I just go into T-Rex mode. If I see something move I chase it, sometimes I use my brain and keep track of hooks and other times I just see how long the chase is going to be

Having played 500h (40/60 split in favor of killer) the only thing I want both sides to know is to just be NICE to eachother. Like how hard is it to say gg or if you're actually mad just press the "leave" button and LEAVE the people who played totally fine alone. In this game most of the time your loss is because of you or factors you had some control over, that may be a 2nd lesson people need to learn.

yeah i often play spirit with mdr adn when the prevous survivors piss me off we do have to be better

i prefer to keep up with both sides of the game when i play bc while i like winning i like making people have fun or laugh even more can't do that so much when i ruthlessly butcher every one of them, leaving them on the floor while i chase down the blendette with made for this, dead hard, unbreakable, and deliverance when i finally do catch her it's why i like playing jumpscare killers and imagining the reactions of the players based on their movements coming around a corner and hitting a survivor, only to see them run 3 more feet then stop all inputs completely tells me either they've had an actual heart attack and i am guilty for murder or they just fell out of their chair laughing after getting jumpscared so hard

Scott Jund the enlightened centrist

I wish survivors would understand that 99% of the shit they do (teabagging, clicking, waiting at end gate) is always gonna be interpreted as a show of disrespect, reported as toxic, and that your excuse "Oh no I'm different I don't do it like that" is bull because everyone knows the associations with taunting and toxicity. You can't communicate with us by design, you can't tell us your intentions, so most of us are gonna go with the default. We're not friends, we're internet strangers, your secret handshake is meaningless to us because on our end it just looks like you're flipping us off. If we were meant to be able to properly communicate, we'd be able to. We've got a job, you've got a job, the most respectful thing you can do is shut up and play.

about stomping and being bad sports, I honestly don't necessarily even expect people to ease up on the pedal, at least as a killer without a ton of experience. If they're god gamers in chase and gens are popping left right and center, I'm really just fine with them wrapping the game up quickly, gg go next. Sure if you wanna mess around a bit instead of sitting on gens that's fine, give me a chance to make a comeback, but sometimes it can feel like drawing out an already annoying game even further and rubbing salt in the wound if the skill/power difference is that big. If I'm really getting stomped as Sadako or Trapper and there's no hope, just finish the objectives, open the gates and leave instead of dancing around at the exit gates pointing flashlights at me, waiting for me to see you off. idk, it's just so annoying that survivors need me to see them off so often when there's no reason to wait around.

If I go back when someone is unhooked, and I then can only see the person who was unhooked, I'm not just going to walk away and ignore them, they are the only person in my view and I am going to chase them, entitlement will see it as being tunneled where my other option is to just leave them to reset??

I had a match with a ttv and his friends (full swf) as dredge (MYC, Septic Touch, Deathbound) on Midwitch. I catch one, hook her. Before I could even teleport away the ttv (a p100 nancy) ran straight into me. I hit her, she proceeded to run through me and straight to unhook. I downed her and chased the unhooked because I needed the other two to get off gens and come help. I intended to down and go back and hook Nancy, but they picked her up so I just rehooked. At this point I chased a Feng. I knew I should've left her, but I didn't. The chase was fun. I let them reset because I felt bad for the unintended tunnel to second stage (as a survivor main) and Feng proceeded to run me for three gens. They finally get all the gens done and two were left. I downed one in the middle of the courtyard and slugged her to watch the doors. Pretended to teleport away which brought the last one out of hiding when she ran to pick up and I caught both of them. It was a pretty eventful match and I thought it was fun. I go in Nancy's stream to say ggs and all his friends are telling me to gtfo. 'Leave, nobody wants you here.' At first Nancy said ggs back, but they all continued to be condescending and rude as I explained myself because they were upset about the tunnel. I even complimented Feng for running me (which was still met with hostility) and mentioned that I understood how it could be as a surv main with over 5k hours. Eventually I hear 'You know what? I rescind my gg, you're a fucking loser piece of shit. You tunneled. Tunneling is tunneling, doesn't matter why you did it. You were SUPPOSED to pick me up and leave her alone. Stick to survivor because you're a trash ass killer.' Immediate ban from chat before I could respond while they continued to lament about how much of a POS I was. 🤷🏼 As a survivor I don't act like this so it's always been hard to fathom people that do. Playing killer and experiencing this utter bs makes me understand why so many killer players have a problem with survivors. Shame on you if you act like this, you make us look so bad.

The only time I ever actually avoided killing people was during the beginning of the anniversary event when people were trying to get their invitations lol

I like your Scottcasts