Mick West making great points as usual. All the haters are quite cooked.

Critical thinking. What a concept!

@aiurea1

3 ай бұрын

For one video he said it's either baloons or birds, how are they similar? Only planes, parapants and parachutes fly

@charliePhillips83

3 ай бұрын

@aiurea1 they are similar because both are sky observations. Like 99% of all ufo claims and cases. People see things in the sky that they are unfamiliar with and automatically think it's aliens.

The pitchforks are out at r/UFOs 😀

@YourOldBuddyBucho

3 ай бұрын

The flak is always heaviest when you're right over the target.

@skepticalbeliever5001

3 ай бұрын

​@@YourOldBuddyBucho Or when you're just wrong.

Absolutely brilliant simplified layout of the complex web of complete idiocy that has gotten us to where we are today with this UFO circus. Mick you have the patience of a saint.

@SamBorgman

3 ай бұрын

He really does. All that deep research would have caved my head in.

@bernierao

3 ай бұрын

Mr West has a job to do and he is very active in doing it

@johnbaker9290

3 ай бұрын

So was Rick Doty @@bernierao

@milky55way2012

2 ай бұрын

@ker9290 Richard Doty was indirectly responsible for a persons' death.

This aged incredibly well.

Alot of money invested in the study of balloons and birds.

Nice talk! There's only so much you can explain in ~25 minutes, but I thought it was a great summary of the current state of affairs in "UFOlogy" in the United States for a skeptic audience.

@aiurea1

3 ай бұрын

Why the "" for UFOLOGY? Giordano Bruno believed there are people all over the Universe

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

@@aiurea1 I think I put quotes around UFOlogy because I was quoting what Mick West called the subject. Who is Giordano Bruno and how are their beliefs relevant to my comment?

@aiurea1

3 ай бұрын

@@ShubertReads fair enough. Giordano Bruno was a philosofer from the 1500s, very intresting to read, I thought you were ironic to ufology

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

@@aiurea1 Cool, I'll have to check them out! I enjoy reading philosophy. And sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by "I thought you were ironic to UFOlogy". Did you think I was being sarcastic?

@aiurea1

3 ай бұрын

@@ShubertReads yes, i jumped to the conclusion

Good talk Mick!

Brilliant work!

Great talk. Thanks Mick

What worries me is any government taking any notice of this. While I agree we probably need independent scrutiny over these claims, with proper science to back them up, governments have enough to do. I would like to think that somewhere out there is another civilisation with interstellar travel capabilities. Humans once thought if we travelled over 4MPH your lungs collapsed, and now we have put men on the moon using speeds unimaginable just a hundred years ago. We don't know if we could be on the brink of being able to "fold space", like a number of science fiction writers have created, but we are a long way off turning science fiction into science fact. But I also do believe humans are living on a unique planet. We had a period in our history that laid down an awfully large amount of subterranean carbon (gas, coal, etc) for us to burn through during the industrial revolution, instead of uncontrollably burning through the terranean carbon, ie. trees. I wonder how long the industrial revolution would have lasted if we'd had burned nothing but trees instead of coal? Would we have reached the tipping point of runaway global warming, where we couldn't replace the trees quick enough in the mid 1800s? Would we have killed our planet in the pursuit of technological evolution early on, and would we be years from turning the planet into another Venus right now? The Victorians had no idea about global climate change and would have pressed on regardless.

and the saga continues without any new evidence.

America, the land of acronyms.

@jh58547

3 ай бұрын

Yes! They have to leave out some letters to make them look cool too. Like NORAD and HAARP. 😄

18:36

I smell a CSI or CFI connection.

This whole UFO fanaticism reminds me of the birth of a religion. The Roswell myth is analogous to the "empty tomb" myth from 2000 years ago. The current batch of authors and promoters mentioned here by Mick is analogous to the Gospel writers and early Church Fathers. And we know that those "empty tomb" rumors eventually metastasized into the superstitious mess that destroyed an empire and its technological progress. 🤔

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

Yes, I have noticed how similar alien visitation belief is to God belief. Both are higher beings that have the power to save us or destroy us. A parental figure that we could look up to for guidance.

@jh58547

3 ай бұрын

@@Vlasko60 I seriously wonder if this new UFO religion will end up replacing other religions and destroy people's ability to think critically. Then what happens to our culture? A repeat of the end of Roman rule?

@milky55way2012

2 ай бұрын

@@Vlasko60 I don't know anyone who believes that

@edenyorke234

Ай бұрын

There's also another similarity with religion, and that is in the case of miracles. People are canonised because they performed some miracle or other, usually passed on down from a friend of a friend, whose brother knew a man who had a white bicycle owned by a man with a beard, who saw the man who watched miracle of the statue crying while it was raining. But nowadays, with everyone having a high-definition camera with them at all times, no one has captured a single miracle. Likewise, with a camera on my smartphone being able to take fantastic astrophotography, why is it that every recent photo of a "UFO" is blurry? Why is it just one person filmed shaky, blurred footage of something over a city, but no one else did? How come they managed to take the time to turn off all the stabilisation, auto focus, and auto exposure settings to make the footage as bad as possible, but no time to line up a good shot?

@Vlasko60

Ай бұрын

@@edenyorke234 Actual LOL. I agree. I also noticed that the better cameras get, the farther away the "obviously alien spacecraft" has to be.

Brief but very good presentation Mick. Thanks for all your work.

I respect Mick West greatly, but let me clear up one error. It is one I am sure Mick would agree with. Non-human biologics is any living thing that isn't human. So bird feathers are that. But it is such a sexy term, that immediately everyone thinks alien. There's no reason to think that what it means, and completely understandable that David Grusch - a confirmed true believer - would assume is aliens.

@milky55way2012

2 ай бұрын

Why would bird feathers be relevant to non-human Biologics' flying saucers? How do you know what David Grush meant?

@janerkenbrack3373

2 ай бұрын

@@milky55way2012 Bird feathers are non-human biologics. There are no non-human biologics researchers. There are those who investigate crash sites of unidentified flying objects. UFO does not mean alien. That is a leap of logic unwarranted by evidence. These crash site investigations include balloons, drones, and other aircraft. Upon investigation the identity of the object is often determined. Eagles attacking drones is a real thing. There are even people who train eagles to attack drones. Other birds would likely respond to a drone as if it were a predator. This means it would not be unlikely to find bird feathers at a crash site. Now, add to this process some new guy who seems incredulous to natural explanations to UFO crashes, and he keeps leaping to conclusions. I say there is a non-zero chance that he learned this term "non-human biologics" from one of these crash site investigators, who used it just to play with his head. They knew he would assumed that non-human must mean alien, and went so far as to repeat it in front of Congress. I''m saying that my take is that David Grusch was duped by other government employees because he was gullible, and probably annoying. Or, he is so emotionally attached to the belief in aliens, and focused on his role of exposing the hidden truth, that he doesn't care if he now knows he was played, he's going to use that term to lure in all of the people who mistakenly leapt to the conclusion that non-human means alien. It doesn't, and is actually is a pretty mundane fact. I don't know what Grusch thinks, but his actions suggested either a true believer who won't let the lack of evidence convince him there's nobody coming from out there (which is what I think - he's a gullible fool, easily duped for amusement); or he's deliberately misleading Congress for some personal gain. Whether that is notability for future book sales, or some other opportunity, viewed critically, his testimony was a big nothing burger. He never claimed a single thing but hearsay, and was particularly careful to avoid setting himself up for a perjury charge. He always, and I mean always, was careful to keep his fingerprints off any statement that could be viewed as lying to Congress.

@williamrunner6718

Ай бұрын

NHI can be used as a synonym of ET. I've also heard people define it as falling in the realm of interdimensional/trans-/extra- and even in the realm of angels/demons etc. Really irrational stuff but this is what some people believe.

Mick relays his tale of working diligently to analyze and debunk UFO cases and many (myself included) accept his account as reliable on the face of it. And when Mick says you can't rely on the accounts of, for instance, several former US navy personnel, most of those same people will again agree with Mick. Personal accounts have limited reliability but whether you think they might be accurate or you think that they can't possibly be is determined by your prejudices.

@johnbaker9290

3 ай бұрын

This guy is a liar and a fool. Don't listen to him; I'm sorry I viewed the video except to know who to avoid. Listen to veterans and citizens that report and be grateful to them not ridiculing, especially if they have mental health issues. Don't become Mik the Dik West.

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

My prejudice is toward credible evidence before believing anything extraordinary.

@mishaangelo926

3 ай бұрын

Do you know anyone who says they have a prejudice toward evidence they find incredible? If there is some point you are trying to make with a trite statement the logical opposite of which would be self-contradictory, it is not the point I was making. However paradoxically, you do exemplify it in the the most un-self-aware way. @@Vlasko60

@mishaangelo926

3 ай бұрын

@@Vlasko60 Do you know anyone who says they are convinced by evidence they find literally incredible? If there is some point you are trying to address with a trite statement, the logical opposite of which is self-contradictory, it is not the point I was making. However paradoxically, you do most un-self-awarely exemplify my point.

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

@@mishaangelo926 There are many people who believe aliens are already here with zero credible evidence to support it. I don't know why you have a problem with my comment as it is the scientific view. I agree with most of your first statement.

Invisible college, part of the Unseen University?

Part 3, men is black riding chuppacabras at el ranchero.

I saw the United States Government's Antigravity on August 30th 2023 at 9:10pm on Indiana highway 446. The craft was 40 feet above me moving west to east and it had a slight rotation northward. It is a triangle shaped craft with lights in the corners and center with navigation lights red and green with strobe lights. It is a smooth edges with access panels highlighted similar to the new stealth bomber. It is painted gray with a lighter color accenting the access panels highlighted. it was steady in it's movement like it was sliding down hill with no noise. When it moved by I didn't hear any noise from the craft from inside of my car and it didn't shake a leaf of the trees as it skimmed over themit had the same color and type of paint job that the United States Government's airplanes use. The access panels highlighted with gray as the main color. The access panels were in the stealth style of technology that the United States Government used on known programs. It had the required red and green lights used in aircrafts flying in the sky. It was a huge craft triangle shaped and flat. It was too flat to have enough lift by heated gas or any other gases to keep it floating around. It didn't have conventional thrust moving it forward because it was skimming the trees and it didn't shake a leaf. It was traveling west to east with a slight rotation northward without changing direction and the front end of the craft didn't have a cutting edge on the front of it. It was constant on it's edge being rounded and slightly concaved on the bottom. It was only 40 feet above my vehicle and I felt no air wash from the massive craft above me... It was a totally solid panel craft and with the amount of weight it was it would have required a lot to keep it aloft it's motion and speed would indicate it was not a blimp or conventional thrust. It's shape would not be a conventional air plane or blimp. I was 40 feet away from it... I got a good look at itThe black triangle is seen as black because of the way light works. The one I saw was gray with access panels highlighted and a slight concaved bottom like the space capsules and cones on the corners like other military planes. It's planels were like the new stealth bomber design and the lights were bright white with a blue hue. It had strobes and a spot light. It was a very huge craft the sides were smoothly rolled and the whole thing was smoothly rolled... It wasn't blocky. It looked like it was designed by Northrop Grumman because of it's access panels I'm sure they hold patent rights on. It was in a direct pathway where I saw it between two of their facilities and where most of the sightings happen with the triangle shaped craft happen close to Northrop Grumman facilities... I am trying to investigate it now because they decided to disclose it to the public through sightings... They had to know they would be seen by vehicles. There was a vehicle behind me that saw it too... I reported it to the state police department and when I called at that point I was the only person reporting it. The officer asked if it was doing any harm and at that point I realized he wasn't going to log it. I checked WBIW police logs for the day and it was not there. I did also make a report to Mufon later and I have been posting a statement to as many as I can with similar topics.

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

Did you take a picture?

@blackbass4u2c

3 ай бұрын

@@ShubertReads I think I answered it in my statement... No I didn't get a picture... My phone was on charge put away and in a clip. By the time I would have been able to get a picture of it it would be out of eyesight over the trees and I would have been able to see it as well as I did... If you need a picture of something because you don't believe me then you are missing out... We all can investigate what the triangle craft are and figure out what the government is hiding.

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

@@blackbass4u2c I never said I didn't believe you, I just wondered if you happened to get a photo of it. I'm sure you would agree it would be nice to have some photographic evidence to lend more credence to your claim.

@blackbass4u2c

3 ай бұрын

@@ShubertReads I'm trying to find a legitimate lie detector company to add a layer of credibility to my sighting... If I am spending time and money for the documentation I want it to stand up in court... And I can send the information around to Congress and senators

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

@@blackbass4u2c I have heard that lie detector tests are unreliable but I guess it couldn't hurt. I'm curious, what would be your second best explanation for what you saw?

Asssuing Mick West is sincere, he's going to look very silly once disclosure happens!

@ShubertReads

2 ай бұрын

What if disclosure never happens?

@tf1090c

2 ай бұрын

​@@ShubertReadsIn some sense it already has happened, people from inside 'the program' have given proof to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Comunity (ICIG) who confirmed it. At this point anyone determined enough to find the truth can do so. There just haven't any public announcements and very few news outlets are covering this. Ps: Copied & Pasted to clipboard to make sure comment doesn't disappear!

@tf1090c

2 ай бұрын

@@ShubertReads Wow... my comment really did disappear again. This is what I wrote: ​ @ShubertReads In some sense it already has happened, people from inside 'the program' have given proof to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Comunity (ICIG) who confirmed it. At this point anyone determined enough to find the truth can do so. There just haven't any public announcements and very few news outlets are covering this. Ps: Copied & Pasted to clipboard to make sure comment doesn't disappear!

@tf1090c

2 ай бұрын

@@ShubertReads My Comment disappeared 3 times in a row!? Very strange... Perhaps a fourth time; ​ @ShubertReads In some sense it already has happened, people from inside 'the program' have given proof to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Comunity (ICIG) who confirmed it. At this point anyone determined enough to find the truth can do so. There just haven't any public announcements and very few news outlets are covering this. Ps: Copied & Pasted to clipboard to make sure comment doesn't disappear!

@tf1090c

2 ай бұрын

@@ShubertReadsOkay, thats 4 times in a row that my reply to you got deleted... can you see it? Very strange...

some people don't need any proof, it's enough for them to believe.

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

Is it beneficial to believe things without proof?

@bernardpalir

3 ай бұрын

@@ShubertReads it is useful for those who write books and talk about UFOs, but do not have a single proof that they exist

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

​@@bernardpalirIt sounds like you're saying believing things without proof could be helpful for some people to allow them to confidently speak about a subject without checking to see if their knowledge lines up with reality. Are there any downsides to speaking confidently about something without making sure that it's true?

Mick is a ufo video expert

@skepticalbeliever5001

3 ай бұрын

Negative. What he IS an expert at, though, is throwing out all context for a video, disregarding witness testimony, and generally making a fool of himself by throwing out the most ridiculous theories to cast doubt on a video, later to claim he never said those theories when it's proven wrong, even if there's fuckin video evidence of him saying it. "Expert" my ass.

@milky55way2012

3 ай бұрын

No he isn't, just exactly what is that?

@justins.5222

3 ай бұрын

@@milky55way2012 why would say he isn’t something then ask what that something is lol. He solves ufo videos. Better than most ppl. He really is good like him or not

@justins.5222

3 ай бұрын

@@skepticalbeliever5001 he solves ufo videos. He’s good at it.

@milky55way2012

2 ай бұрын

@@skepticalbeliever5001 He's actually been caught lying straight faced.

I stopped at about the 20:30 minute mark when he "debunked" the 'gimbal' video. An honest person would have noted that the pilot in the audio of that video said there were a whole fleet of them. Do better 😒

@Artoosa

3 ай бұрын

Can you elaborate further?

@tomnesbeam

3 ай бұрын

As any honest pilot will tell you, and as West noted in the talk, pilots and their equipment have always been prone to errors.

@SamBorgman

3 ай бұрын

And you believe the pilot because you've seen that whole fleet?

@fancycrafts7774

3 ай бұрын

@@tomnesbeama single pilot or a single system. Not teams of pilots, their on flight equipment and radar technicians’ equipment simultaneously. This is trash.

@tomnesbeam

3 ай бұрын

@@fancycrafts7774 If you think the object in the Gimbal video was also being tracked visually you have misunderstood the situation.

Boost

He excludes all future videos! How can he do that?

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

When did he do that?

@aiurea1

3 ай бұрын

@@ShubertReads 24:54

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

@@aiurea1 Thanks for the timestamp! It sounds like he says he hopes for more videos to be released, because they will continue to show that the narrative of UFOs being piloted by non-human intelligences to be false. This does sound presumptive, so I can see why you took issue with that statement. How can he dismiss the idea that a video proving the opposite won't come out in the future?

@aiurea1

3 ай бұрын

@@ShubertReads exactly. I do think it's important for MW to continue its work, just one opinion is not good

Mick any peer reviewed papers backing these explanations?

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

Do you think peer reviewed papers are a good method of verifying if an explanation matches up with reality?

@jimmycychowski1142

3 ай бұрын

@@ShubertReads My point is why not have the reported conclusions, explanations, confirmed by a third party, professionals in each field of analysis, no disrespect to Mr Mick West, but is he really qualified?.

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

@@jimmycychowski1142 Third party professionals in different fields are welcome to agree with or dispute Mick West's claim, it would be great if they would. But unfortunately, hardly any professionals in any fields are interested in this topic.

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

@@jimmycychowski1142 Hypothetically if peer reviewed papers backed up all of Mick West's UFO theories/debunkings, would that prove he was a qualified UFO investigator? Maybe he just makes lucky guesses... How could we find out if the methods he used to reach the conclusions he reached are good methods?

@jimmycychowski1142

3 ай бұрын

@@ShubertReads You get professionals, in each category of analysis, if it's done legitimately, by third parties, and by more than one person for each category, etc, I know it can get expensive, but it helps when multiple folks who are qualified with the relevant skill set can debunk, or explain to the best of their ability what said object is.

Also from Mick - "But in all these military cases we don't know exactly what they are because we don't have access to the classified data." (UAP Investigation with Public Data (ScienceWriters2023) 8 Oct 2023) Mentioned Rubio and Schumer, neglected to mention Gillibrand, or any of their comments. Rubio - "However more needs to be done across the Defense Department and Intelligence Community to utilize existing sensors to collect and analyze more data on UAPs. I am committed to ensuring we get to the truth for the American people.” Schumer - "The United States government has gathered a great deal of information about UAPs over many decades but has refused to share it with the American people. That is wrong and additionally breeds mistrust." Gillibrand - "they're not going to hide it because there are so many of us now on the intel committee and armed services that we're going to stand by the service members who documented this stuff. They have video they have radar they have heat sensors they have everything... They have it. So I'm not going to let it go, I'm 100% committed."

@Artoosa

3 ай бұрын

So u thinkthe evidence they release to the public are purposefully fake? I don't think the people who quoted that are thinking that? I'm pretty sure they think it's the real deal still.

"Expert in cattle mutilations!" I died 😂😂

@IanDavidOnDU

3 ай бұрын

Everyone needs a hobby.

@SamBorgman

3 ай бұрын

Yeah that had me scratching my head. What a psychopath lol

@eachday9538

3 ай бұрын

He puts on a great BBQ

ARRO investigating 😅😅😅

Mick, do you actually look for these crafts? some that cannot see them do if the time is spent see them, and from then on it takes place. so it is a fair question, if you are not pre-disposed to this naturally they may not be visible to you. Akin to the hitchhiker effect witnessed by Mario Woods after his "while on duty looking after Nuclear Silos with ICBM in them" took place.

Apparently Mr. Mick West has been studying UFO/UAP'S for decades. He's got a greater level of education and understanding than the world's leading experts. A self taught physicist, aviation expert, video expert, ect...a real Mr. Know It All.

@johnbaker9290

3 ай бұрын

LoL Sad to see so many commenters swallowing all of his toxic waste. Sad that they'll be ridiculing experiencers that are trying to protect him.

@PeterStone-ch9dw

2 ай бұрын

All Mick West is is someone who has made a living out of is creating computer games. He doesn't study them, his purpose is to debunk them. He is a self proclaimed debunker. He is not a scientist nor is he a jet fighter pilot but was adamant that it's hi-tech sensor had a smudge on the lens or was a balloon and not a UAP, the tic-tac witnessed by Navy personnel on two Navy ships and the sensors.

It's videos like this that people keep watching that set the scientific world back years.

@ShubertReads

2 ай бұрын

How so?

What scrutiny uses "probably"?

One gimbal or a whole fleet of them Mick? i think you will find it was the latter?

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

If only there was proof.

@vee__7

3 ай бұрын

Only one of them seemed to rotate.. the rest were just blips on radar. Nothing interesting happened with any of them. But don't let the details get in the way of your ufo fantasy.

Tom de Longe is not the front man, you could say there are 3, poor documentation

When it comes down to credibility, I will take the assessments of very experienced military observers and investigators over a YT peanut gallery sceptic any day.

@fancycrafts7774

3 ай бұрын

No, you don’t get it. Anyone who has seen evidence is either stupid, crazy or incompetent. Where’s the evidence for UFOs? Followed by, no, that doesn’t count.

For one video Mick said it was either baloons or birds. How are they similiar except they both fly?

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

Similar speed and altitude?

@aiurea1

3 ай бұрын

@@Vlasko60 really, a baloon and a bird have the same speed?

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

@@aiurea1 They certainly can if the wind is blowing.

@aiurea1

3 ай бұрын

@@Vlasko60 birds add speed to the wind speed. If so, if you know the wind direction you should be determine if that objects follows only the wind direction, although in wind baloon change their path. What about the other differences between them? We see birds daily and sometimes baloons flying, havr you ever confused a baloon for a bird or were uncertain if it was one or the other?

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

This kind of thing is on video, so the bird or balloon is pixelated. If it's too far away from the camera you only see pixels and thus cannot tell what it is by video alone. It is his educated opinion that it is likely a balloon or bird based on what he has learned from other videos where he could tell if it was a bird or balloon.

Is he one of those debunkers

He knows more than any other ufo researcher he has been studying this for 1000 years

Stable genius right there.

Good luck with all of that. 🤣🍀

How do you explain two naval taskforces on either side of the US observing these things first hand and on radar for two weeks daily? Mick doesn't address that. One pilot I understand, but multiple witnesses having delusions. These are the only credible witnesses.

@Artoosa

3 ай бұрын

Show us the data then!

@johnbaker9290

3 ай бұрын

Don't worry, there will always be terrified little sheeple that need daddy Mik to calm their pretty little heads. You and I know along with millions of us with good BS detectors.

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

@@johnbaker9290 Again, show us the data.

I am always skeptic of people earning money for debunking things. Mick West, Michael Shermer.

@jh58547

3 ай бұрын

Somebody has to counter the people who make money promoting pseudoscience, conspiracy theories, and other BS. Are you skeptical of their motives too?

THE WALL CHART WITH ALL THE FAKERS WAS A NICE TOUCH, EXCEPT FOR BIGALOW WHO HAS A GENUINE INTREAST.

Marvelous Mick West. For future viewers, this was recorded in 2023. If we are being visited by extra terrestrial intelligences Mr West will be one of the first to detect it. Respect.

He blames a senator for acting on something he believes. Imagine believeing in a certain industry and acting on it

I design and manufacture Aviation signaling equipment used worldwide by Military, Civilian, and commercial authorities. I saw one of these so-called UAP/ UFO craft very close just 30 ft away it was 10 ft above the river we were fishing. we had all seen this craft or a similar craft 2 weeks earlier but it moved so fast I discounted it because nothing could move that fast. the second event that was very close lasted about 2 minutes, we had just arrived at the location and we all knew the time within half an hour, when the craft departed we had lost over two hours, The craft made no sound and no water movement was observed even though it was directly above it. Whatever you are doing here Mick it is not a representation of the truth regarding this issue. speaking with authority when you have not witnessed the reality yourself and standing by what you do not know rather than what is available to know is troublesome. I have never liked to think you are part of the cover-up but this has made me wonder your true motive. meanwhile, think of me when you next take off or land, my industry has to navigate this reality while being told there is not one.

@mariogomezg

3 ай бұрын

Nice video you took of the object. Didn't you?

@RATLEEA10

3 ай бұрын

Yes, I had a video camera charged up and running, with a fixed tripod waiting for just that moment, and to think i had only been alive at that point for just 28 years 3 months, and 6 days, how silly of me not to know i would see a UFO..... just common sense to know these things isn't it! But i am sure you would have known though? mind you in my defense we were a bit slow in 1987... Best you go listen to the accounts of USAF ICBM Security Guard Mario Woods, he forgot his camera also, @@mariogomezg

You can tell how honest and unbiased he is by how he ridicules, misrepresents and dismisses the topic at every opportunity. Definitely no agenda here.

@charliewalker9443

3 ай бұрын

To be fair, it is a rather unorthodox origin story and the supposed video evidence that has been released over the years have all had very good debunking.

@BlanBonco

3 ай бұрын

The paranormal like religion is often used to justify propaganda. If you enjoy it out of curiousity this should not be that offensive. Every other show on some streaming services is on UFOs. Not to mention a most popular podcast. I love UFOs but the acceleration to believe is out of control

@Artoosa

3 ай бұрын

You can tell you have cognitive dissonance over the topic and won't accept data and hard fact over these so called alien videos.

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

Prove him wrong with credible data.

@fancycrafts7774

3 ай бұрын

@@charliewalker9443 “all”, or all that have had debunking videos? Even of those that have been “debunked”, there’s quite a bit of argument from each side. Explain to me how the tic tac videos have been “debunked”.

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How come Mick didn't debunk the videos that Nasa and AARO condiders unsolved? Those few ones.

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

I don't know specifically, but some videos do not have enough data to determine anything.

@aiurea1

3 ай бұрын

@@Vlasko60 sounds a bit convenient, if we would knew exactly which are those videos.

@YourOldBuddyBucho

3 ай бұрын

Have those been made public? If not then why would you expect them to have been investigated by anyone outside of those organizations?

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

@@aiurea1 So you believe that there is no such thing as bad video? Sometimes it is just a few pixels of data.

@harrybridges8258

3 ай бұрын

Mick hasn't debunked the 3 Navy videos. In a video on his channel he says he can't debunk those, he just forgot to mention it in this talk - "But in all these military cases we don't know exactly what they are because we don't have access to the classified data." (UAP Investigation with Public Data (ScienceWriters2023) 8 Oct 2023) Its always been about access to data. The Nimitz incident is a great case study of the problem. Gary Voorhis and PJ Hughes have said that data was taken from the Nimitz. All that data must have gone into a repository somewhere, for someone to study, but where and by whom? Well, the video surfaced in 2017 after Christopher Mellon got it from someone in a carpark at the Pentagon, which proves the repository of data still exists somewhere. However Sean Kirkpatrick, the former Head of AARO, told a gathering at the Hayden Center in November 2023 that AARO can not write a paper on the Nimitz incident because all AARO has access to is "I have what you have", that is, the video of the incident filmed by Chad Underwood which we can all see on KZread, that's all. All the data relating to the hundreds of Range Fouler Reports is also classified and never to be released. So, even AARO can't get access to the data. If it is all birds and balloons, why can't anybody get access to it to prove that? Even Mick says we can't work out what the things are "because we don't have access to the classified data."

Seems like he earned his money! I wonder if he got a bonus 4 being smug? I think the people in the crowd who chuckled should actually be more embarrassed than him when he is proven wrong soon.

@johnbaker9290

3 ай бұрын

He proved himself wrong in this video.

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

That's what Christians have said about Jesus return for decades. So far, no Jesus. So far, no aliens.

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

@@johnbaker9290 How so?

You've proved nothing regarding the pentagon video leaks and all the back up data. I hope you don't get too much hate when the truth is out!

Billlions of stars and trillions of plantets , billions of year's. Humans were riding horseback 200 years ago. Use your mind and intuition.

@Artoosa

3 ай бұрын

Your point being?

I wish he had debunked the tic tac video a bit more.

@thewanderingbox8253

3 ай бұрын

expressed his opinion...not actual debunked

@SamBorgman

3 ай бұрын

All those videos are self debunking, because of the type of camera and the bloom or flare caused by the UFO. None of those shapes are the real shape of the object. So there is not much to analyse. Extreme high speed is total BS. Know it all pilots pretending to be experts in visual estimation and embellishing. There is nothing out there on earth that is breaking the laws of Newtonian physics, that's the bottom line.

@user-cn8vb9hh5z

3 ай бұрын

@SamBorgman 100% agree with you.

@tomnesbeam

3 ай бұрын

It's kind of a nothing vid when you look into it. Even the pilot (David Fravor's former squadron mate Paco Chierici) who wrote the original Tic Tac article (the one that first alerted George Knapp to that story) said there was nothing remarkable about what's happening in the "FLIR" footage without the dramatic story to go along with it. It should also be noted the "FLIR" video was shot 90min or so after Fravor & Dietrich's encounter, and that neither the jet that shot that vid nor anyone else has ever reported getting a visual on whatever that 4th jet was tracking, so claims that the Tic Tac event is a case of "multiple sensor and eyewitness corroboration" are somewhat overblown.

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

@@thewanderingbox8253 The burden of proof is on alien visitation believers. Mick gives a plausible explanation of what it could be or is likely to be.

Haha Mick West a UFO expert ..now I've heard it all..

@charliewalker9443

3 ай бұрын

More so than most, has done more genuine work for the pursuit of discovering genuine ET UFO’s than anyone because he actually sieves out all the crap.

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

What does he have wrong and how do you know?

@CharlesTLam

3 ай бұрын

@Vlasko60 no such thing as an expert where there is limited data or understanding of UFOs..Mick just started making debunking videos of UFOs in thr last few years . I am more of an expert since I've been skywatching and video recording the phenomenon for over a decade. I KNOW a heck of lot more than Mick but I still don't consider myself an expert. Mick is simply reciting public information and giving summary of public discussions on the subject ..There hundred plus podcast doing this daily..People know about UFOs are not promoting themselves as experts nor pushing for interviews regularly..

@CharlesTLam

3 ай бұрын

@Vlasko60 I replied to you but seems it was deleted...I can't see it anymore

@charliewalker9443

3 ай бұрын

@@CharlesTLam How convenient

Mick West debunking UFOs reminds me of Dan Peña debunking Climate Change. Both driven by strong personal opinions rather than data and historical facts

Eyewitness testimony sentences people to years in jail.

@YourOldBuddyBucho

3 ай бұрын

Fortunately that happens less and less these days as more and more people wake up to the realization that both the optical perception systems and the memories of human beings are actually far more fallible than many of us would love to believe and that, as a result, eyewitness testimony is also far less reliable than many of us would love to believe.

@tc4660

3 ай бұрын

@@YourOldBuddyBucho what could you mean it happens less and less? It certainly holds more weight than circumstantial evidence, short video clips, cell phone pings and the like. How many times have you heard the totality of the circumstances and the credibility of the observers. Investigations such as these happen every single day. No one relies solely on 30 second clips. You can certainly debunk videos which seemingly doesn’t take much time and write observers off as mistaken. Anyone who uses a camera knows the difference between bokeh and what they see with their naked eye and try to capture clearly through a lens. The naked eye certainly sees differently than a lens and whatever digital optics and digital filters are influencing the lens. Fravor during his stint was the best we had to offer, more seat time, more diverse craft etc etc. they don’t come forward because of defense attorney West. The snippy, giggly undertones and words like probably are a bit of a charlatan approach there mate.

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

And DNA evidence supersedes eyewitness testimony. Why is that?

@YourOldBuddyBucho

3 ай бұрын

​@@tc4660 What could I mean? Don't take my word for it - I recommend you do your own research. You can easily find out for yourself how very significant flaws in the value of eyewitness testimony have been exposed more and more over recent years. The justice system has been making changes because of it. Perhaps the UFO community is simply behind the times in this regard. It's also worth noting that other Navy pilots, including some who've flown with Fravor, and even including the other pilot who saw the Tic-Tac that day - Alex Dietrich - are on the record saying that the possible prosaic explanation Mick West offers for that event is plenty plausible. Again you don't need to take my word for this. Listen to some fighter pilots talk about their job and their careers and all will have multiple stories about errors they and their equipment have made.

@tc4660

3 ай бұрын

@@Vlasko60 DNA evidence isn’t necessarily 100% nor is face recognition. It still depends on how the human gathers it. I’m not going to get into all the details but the DNA evidence in the Moscow Idaho murder case may be thrown out because of how the cops gathered it and the lab it was sent to, to arrive at implicating the person they are accusing. The prosecution is in a bit of a predicament on it since the rest of the evidence is highly circumstantial.

So sad to be known for being the person that says "huh-uh" for a living!

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

It is much better to say huh-uh than believe bad evidence. The burden of proof is on the believers.

People are laughing!!.... Maybe they understand this is a stand up comedy😂

Gary Nolan is a chump.

This is not science.

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

Believing in alien visitation without credible evidence is not science. It is religious.

He’s really misrepresenting those involved, awful!

@charliewalker9443

3 ай бұрын

Not really.

Mick Worst should get a new mick job...

@mishaangelo926

3 ай бұрын

I think Mick is so committed to his disbelief that if presented with actual evidence he would meticulously debunk that too. Yet many of the videos that have lately been touted as convincing evidence are highly debunkable or have such low information content that they are hardly evidence of anything. That being the case so far, then you are just left with the stories.

@Artoosa

3 ай бұрын

I dont think u understand how data analysis works and what Mick West thinks.​@@mishaangelo926

@Vlasko60

3 ай бұрын

@@mishaangelo926 The burden of proof is on the UFO/UAP community.

@mishaangelo926

3 ай бұрын

​@@Vlasko60 If you require that some ill-defined community (I assume you mean adherent advocates of the ET hypothesis) satisfy your personal standards of proof on this matter, then you’d best address your demands to them. As for my point, you have not addressed it, I suspect because, due to your prejudicial mindset, you have missed it.

@Bleep_Bloop_Destroy

3 ай бұрын

It probably hurts you guys when someone presents an evidence based rejection of your non evidence based belief in UFOs and ETs.

A cephalopod is more intelligent than Mr West.

@charliewalker9443

3 ай бұрын

Explain what he gets wrong.

@tc4660

3 ай бұрын

@@charliewalker9443 he doesn’t do any of the leg work to interview any of the eyewitnesses creating a totality of circumstances for an entire event. He’s only looking at,in most cases, small pieces of circumstantial evidence. I take a lot of photographs and video I am extremely lucky if I capture the essence and depth of what I’m observing with my naked eye and what i attempt to capture through a digitally optimized lens. Most times the two don’t match for various reasons. That’s why eyewitnesses can put people in jail. Video clips, pictures, pings and the like corroborate timelines credible observers fill out the timeline and can add important details related weather, sun, camera angles, challenges acquiring the recording etc etc. Bokeh is not a phenomenon in videography and is immediately recognizable while your shooting. Granted some of them are people hoaxes, others need far more leg work. Which Mr West doesn’t appear to do, because he doesn’t have the time nor patience. The vibe here is a bit of charlatan mate.

@tc4660

3 ай бұрын

@@charliewalker9443 to answer you, I’ll reference the debate Mr West and Eric Weinstein had regarding this subject. YT channel: theories of everything from 1 year ago. It’s a lengthy debate and I’m siding with Mr Weinstein on the manner Mr West employs to lower the credibility of eyewitnesses. They discuss the tic-tac incident in depth in this debate and I believe that interaction speaks for itself. Mr West for that incident never interviewed the eyewitnesses only attempted debunk radar data, quite amateurishly, and then use his conclusions that the first hand witnesses were mistaken. Where his analysis falls short with the radar data is assumptions about how it operates and proprietary algorithms and then pilot live interpretations of unreconciled data are questionable without speaking to the pilots at the incident or manufacture of the radar. Mr West is not a decorated fighter pilot nor an expert in aviation i don’t believe he even has pilots license, he does gaming interpretations of the data which is forced into a narrative. Certainly not refined. Eyewitnesses testimony in this case is critical to filling out the events and adding depth to the timeline of the incident. The radar data is circumstantial and plays a much lesser role in defining exactly what happened that day, time and place.

THE TROUBLE WITH MICK IS HE ONLY DEALS WITH THE OBVIOUS FAKES. NEVER THE REAL VIDEO SIGHTINGS.

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

What do you think are some of the best real video sightings?

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

Which ones are the real ones @gobstoppa1633?

This guy is a total BS artist. Explain the 4 pilots and the Tic-Tak UAP. Maybe they got their info from Neil Degrasse Tyson

This guy is definitely a flat earther!

I like Mick, but this presentation is not what I expected from him. Disappointed! Stick to video analysis…

Why bother posting this? Its old and not even accurate anymore

@charliewalker9443

3 ай бұрын

It’s very accurate to the history of the operations and those involved. The videos at the end are still videos that people claim to be genuine evidence.

If only all was that simple, yet if Physicists are not sure of how things work, how can Mick be so sure. He is correct most cases are things that can rationally be understood, but 3% are not understood and they are seen by very credible observers. So it is ironic that he who was not in the military and was not a pilot is so sure of what it is to be a pilot in the military. He has has view point and that is fine, but when he is not being rational about valid cognitive evidence, it just become another case of mental masturbation, to make self feel better. It is the Ego talking that has to be right, even when facts say it is wrong. Many observers and observations are from people who are so qualified that to not take into account their observations is some level of insanity. No one is fully sure what UFO/UAPs are yet they are something and they are not all observational errors.

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

Has Mick ever said he is 100% sure about any of his explanations?

@markcleveland9656

3 ай бұрын

Mick infers he is sure, and does not like to say when he does not know. That is Hubris. Their are many unknowns in this field, it is just like astronomy, many known unknowns and many unknown unknowns, for anyone to be certain on some cases is pure ego and hubris.

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

@@markcleveland9656 It sounds like you think Mick is always sure about his theories and does not like to admit when he may be wrong. How confident are you that Mick is so sure about his theories and does not like to say when he does not know? (If you had to rate it on a scale from 1-100 where 100 is fully confident, where would you be?) How did you go about determining that that is true? If you were presented with evidence to your satisfaction that showed that Mick wasn't 100% sure about his theories and had no problem saying "I don't know", would you be open to revising your current view on Mick?

@fancycrafts7774

3 ай бұрын

@@ShubertReads that’s what “debunked” implies. PROVEN false.

@ShubertReads

3 ай бұрын

@@fancycrafts7774 Sorry, I'm not sure what you're replying to. Is that related to something I said?