What a coincidence that the KingSpec drive uses the same chips I decided on. If I had to guess, the only reason it's slower is due to it only having one NAND chip installed, whereas my drive has 4 (for 256GB). Also, the SATA/mSATA SSDs all have DRAM cache on them, which makes the random tests way faster (hence the much higher scores). Unfortunately the SM2236 doesn't support DRAM cache, so I couldn't implement that in my design. That red SATA to IDE adapter you're using is special, in that instead of the garbage JMicron JM20330 SATA-IDE bridge IC that all the other adapters use, it uses a Marvell 88SA8040 or 88SA8052, which are WAY better, and faster in most cases (as shown here). At the end of the day, though, the native IDE drives like mine, the KingSpec, and IDE DOM will be compatible with a much wider array of systems than ANY SATA to IDE adapter. Lastly, you are correct in that that Sonnet PCI-X card is not bootable. I did have a plan to attempt to write my own firmware for it to make it bootable, which I may start working on sometime soon.

@TradieTrev

Жыл бұрын

You're a legend mate! The work you do is totally epic!

@reznor2684

Жыл бұрын

That's correct! The Kingspec drive is slower because all data is stored in one nand flash chip (with a limited IOPS). Just for data recovery purposes the Kingspec has more chances to a successful data recovery compared to your design because the controller stores the data in the flash chips like a RAID controller (a pain in the ass reconstruct the integrity of the data by hand).

@iSamYTBackup

Жыл бұрын

yup

@evibes512

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for developing these SSDs!

@escgoogle3865

Жыл бұрын

Rockstar!

Its likely the CF adapter didn't enable UDMA Mode on the CF card (the commonly available Syba ones do). Those Transend cards should be performing faster. The difference between the DOS Dude card and the Kingspec is likely because the DOS Dude card has more flash chips and the controller is spreading the writes between them, giving a slight speed boost.

@DoomWarriorX

Жыл бұрын

Not sure. He doen't show the actual result in MB/sec only the score (why btw?) - but it is only a "133x" CF card - which could in theory read up to 20MB/sec. In reality i would say more like 12-13MB/sec. Which is slow for todays standard. But the CF specification goes up to 160MB/sec (1066x). Thus could have competeted with the native IDE drives. Edit: Same is of course also true for the SD Card. I think he used a UHS-I.... while there is UHS-III stuff floating around.

@Nukle0n

Жыл бұрын

the SD card would've been as limited if it didn't use UDMA and it did much better. CF cards are just obsolete.

@user-kr6vv2yl7g

Жыл бұрын

I can tell you that that model of CF card is that slow. I have 8GB version of it.

@noth606

Жыл бұрын

CF cards have always been slow when used as a HDD standin, beyond DMA etc related things. I no longer recall the exact technical reason but it has to do with the layout and addressing that is part of the way CF works, even the fastest cards are slow at bursts of small ops compared to an old IDE HDD per my testing. Sustained data transfer is fast, but seek etc is absolutely not. I tested this extensively but quite a few years ago, also VS a CF microdrive which behaves like any HDD. It's not interface, CF is IDE pretty much, and behaves the same.

@EwanMarshall

Жыл бұрын

It is indeed a CF controller chip

It all makes pretty good sense. The DOSDude card has 4 flash chips vs 1, allowing the controler chip to spread out the read/writes, making it faster. The SATA SSDs all have RAM caches, which dramatically accelerate access to the flash.

@lucasRem-ku6eb

Жыл бұрын

He needs a big Recycling bin in his mums house ! E WAIST ! only keep the apple II, trash the rest, keeping the M2 as the daily gear !

@armanelgtron4533

Жыл бұрын

@@lucasRem-ku6eb take your nonsense comments elsewhere

@lucasRem-ku6eb

Жыл бұрын

@@armanelgtron4533 You need the Roland MC 80 ? why you need it, not smart enough ? what did you meant ?

Great video! Also totally not surprised by how well the Startech SATA to IDE adapter performs. It's a total champ. I've used the Startech in iMac G3s, Original Xboxs and even an Amiga 4000. It's fast and largely super compatible.

@lucasRem-ku6eb

Жыл бұрын

I kept only the old Machines we used at home ourselfs, nobody needs trash. Why keep it ? Nerdy issues, nostalgia of non social people ? Why junk trash museums in mums house ? I only repair them for creative people, FatBoy Junky XL slim people that need gear, hating simulating it. I see no need for this, why a channel for nostalgia ? all my Macromedia Flash developing, i did on these Alienware Fake Plastic apple machines, the worst apple ever ? But the company kept hem, good enough...We he loves that ?

@pauldube81

Жыл бұрын

It is actually surprising how good StarTech does those kind of things. Always expensive, almost never cheap :D lol

@dale116dot7

Жыл бұрын

The one place it didn’t work for me is in a multitrack digital audio recorder. It didn’t do well in simultaneous read and write at that data rate and I got a lot of drive speed faults, it kept kicking out of record. I “upgraded” to a two inch 24 track analogue machine and have had great success, though I did have learn editing using a razor blade.

Could the difference in speed between the DosDude and KingSpec SSDs be simply because your DosDude SSD has 256GB in 4 flash chips, vs 64GB in a single chip for the KingSpec? I reckon if you tested a 128GB or 256GB Kingspec its speed might be very similar.

@plitshb9338

Жыл бұрын

Right you are.

@Alpine_flo92002

Жыл бұрын

yeah the controller manages the multiple chips in a somewhat parallel fashion

@joefish6091

Жыл бұрын

@@Alpine_flo92002 parallel or interleaved ?

@beef0678

Жыл бұрын

Yeah dosdude admits this in the pinned comment at the top. More is almost always better...

Sebastian's unmistakable presence haunts this video in the first few seconds, when the drives falls over.

The Startech SATA to IDE adapter is what is essentially required for replacing an OG Xbox hard drive with an SSD. There are, of course, lots of other similar adapters, many of which are cheaper. But the Startech adapter works. At least in that application, and the Xbox is extremely picky. None of the others I had work. It just speaks to that adapter being a solid choice. It worked for you. It works in OG Xboxes. It will probably work for others. Great video!

@HappyBeezerStudios

4 ай бұрын

Probably something with the available drivers. After all, the og Xbox is just a Pentium 3 and Geforce 3 running Windows 2000, Microsoft went with common PC parts on purpose. Makes me wonder if it is possible to add support for other adapters to the system.

This is so great. I'm hoping to feature a DosDude drive in an upcoming video about a VAIO laptop with IDE. It looks super impressive. Thank you for doing this benchmarking- exceptionally helpful! Also, very jealous of that microscope (starts saving pennies).

I'm not surprised the DODDude's drive beat out the Kingspec. The controller will spread out the data across as many chips as possible so it will read/write to them in parallel making them faster. I *am* surprised the performance gap was not bigger.

@joefish6091

Жыл бұрын

Interleaved.

I would assume dosdude1s ssd ran faster as it has more nand flash chips than the kingspec which would allow the controller to write to more disks at once. The larger flash chips might also help as they may have a larger buffer in them. Kind of surprised the sata adaptors are so much faster. I guess the ide drives have an older controller.

@nilswegner2881

Жыл бұрын

Most SATA SSDs come with an SDRAM cache which the controller Dosdude1 used does not support. That's probably the reason the SATA disks are faster, especially in random benchmarks.

@Sparky400

Жыл бұрын

@@nilswegner2881 fair but does a cashe effect raw throughout larger than the cashe?

Main reason for dosdude’s SSD being faster than KingSpec is due to capacity, more precisely - number of NAND modules. For example, if you’ll get two regular SATA SSDs, let’s say 128GB capacity, but one of them is made from one 128GB NAND and the other one is made out of two 64GB NANDs, the 2x64GB will be faster. Not by much, but it will be. That’s similar to the RAID 0 way of working. If you use two or more drives, speed increases. Same principle goes inside the drive itself. More NANDs equals more speed. Simple yet amazing.

This was a great video man, I use a lot of different disk solutions myself and having a set of benchmarks like this is actually pretty helpful. I have a startech adapter i was going to put in a windows 98 build and it's good to see it's a solid performer..... I just wish I could get a few of those dos dude ssd's for my my Amigas...

I'd been looking at these lately and wondering myself. Thanks for the vid man, you're a totally underrated channel, been lurking and watching since you put your floppy raid vid out.

Loved your video, but I'm afraid you're wrong about the results (Chinese IDE vs. DosDude's card): The chinese IDE has a single NAND chip while DOSDUDE card has 4, and the read/write NAND is spread across all the available NAND's, so yes, DOSDUDE is faster, but if you would buy a 256GB chinese IDE SSD with 4 NAND chips, you'll get approx. the same results. Keep up those great videos!

Thanks for doing this comparison, you saved me a lot of money on testing these myself! I always wondered how the DoM SSD would compare to SATA to IDE adapter.

These are some very, very interesting results that I will be keeping in mind for my IDE shenanigans on all future computers. Many of the industrial PCs I've picked up are IDE only with limited expansion and its nice to know there are options to make them as snappy as possible! Thanks you for benchmarking these! I have one of those cheap 2.5in" PATA to SATA and will consider switching to Dosdude1's awesome SSD. (think Allen Bradley 1700M, 17" touch screen industrial PC with his SSD.)

Good job DOS Dude!

Thank you for running these tests

Love the t-shirt! :D You seem to use the style of presentation I like, that "quasi bumbling" style also used by Technology Connections and Aging Wheels. Just a bit more camera shy. Subscribed! :)

Great Video. Ah the good old KingSpec SSD. I used one in two videos (on a 2003 Notebook and an Apple TV) and they are very very slow (although I might have an older version). I really need to get the DosDude1 SSD :)

Excellent work and video! It would be cool to compare the performance VS price. Thanks for sharing

Big fan of those "pricey" StarTech SATA to IDE adapters, glad to see that they're worth the money!

New viewer. This was very interesting. I'd have liked a baseline benchmark with a spinning HDD, but still super useful. Thank you!

Great video as always. The only thing I think you could have done better is to also bench test a normal 2.5/3.5" IDE drive to compare it against all the flash replacements.

I have a pair of Roland MC-80 music sequencers. One with a built-in hard drive. Officially they only supported up to 2GB laptop models, and the majority of flash to IDE solutions I tested failed. Online every owner is hunting for that elusive adapter/memory combo that an MC-80 won't reject. The docs only have something like 6 drives listed with 2GB being the absolute largest. Maybe they had an exclusivity deal with a handful of disk manufacturers.

@lucasRem-ku6eb

Жыл бұрын

MC 80 is a very good suggestion, You can stream directly from disk without using the memory. If you have any issues, please let me know, it's a working solution !

The best party of my Saturday morning is watching what new project you've been working on.

cool video man well done

Totally love the new microscope ! Keep up the good work dude !

I wish I'd heard of DOSDude's solution when I did an HDD replacement on my 1999 Dell laptop. As it is, it's rocking a CF card in an IDE caddy and that's working fairly well. But an inexpensive native-IDE solution would've been the bomb.

Man, that Powermac you used for testing is gorgeous! Powermacs of that vintage are fairly rare here in my country. But I do have the first gen iMac G5! Sadly the mobo is gonesky due to a bunch of caps spewing their guts all over it.

Thanks for this video. I've never been a fan - nor regular user - of Apple-Macs, but found this very interesting, as I have a couple of old PC's and Laptops which are IDE, but can no longer get IDE hard drives here in the UK; either 2.5 inch, or 3.5 inch. I may well invest in a couple of these IDE/SSD drives. I do have a couple of IDE-SATA converters, but they aren't suitable for use in my Laptops.

Many years ago I used a Compact Flash to laptop IDE adapter with an ancient ThinkPad. It worked, but was amazingly slow. I also seem to recall I also got a CF adapter for one of the old iPods.

Not sure if they still stock them, but suppliers like Digikey and Mouser used to carry industrial PATA SSDs. They were not cheap, and for what I needed, it wasn't clear from the datasheets if they supported ATA versions old enough for my need, which was why I never ended ordering any.

Even in my Amiga 600 I notice a slight improvement from CF card adapter to SD card adapter, but the integrated IDE controller is pretty much maxed out at this point.

@TheRus13

Жыл бұрын

Yes.On the Amiga 600 and 1200, it is necessary to use an external controller on the accelerator and the built-in one is obsolete in data transfer speed.Although there are improvements to the controller that allows you to speed up work, but it is still difficult for him to compete with modern solutions. I also have an Amiga 1200 as a retro computer. You can put a Morph OS on the Power MAC hardware and run amiga applications.

My experience using sata to ide converters is whether or not they work depends a great deal on the sata device connected to it. Some drives just don't work properly using old ide compatibility modes. Older drives seem more reliable with newer ones ignoring compatibility with old controllers. Apacer sata ssd modules seem pretty good and they are small enough to fit with a ide44 converter into a 2.5" drive bay

That Startech ide to sata converter is the same one I use in my modded original Xbox - very much recommended for that application

Very off the wall question, but what is that dual fan PCI slot thing inside? Is it a 3D printed setup or something off the shelf available for purchase? I've been looking for more or less the exact same thing for a few older computers I've been working with lately.

I watched DosDude build one. He made it look so easy😯

Hello, thanks for this video.. i am currently working on upgrading my Power Mac G4 MMD dual CPU 1.25 Ghz, i purchased the Startech IDE to SATA with a 500GB SSD but when booting up from the Tiger DVD at the part where you select the destination disk it cannot detect the drive. I wonder if you were able to actually use the Startech IDE to SATA and boot the OS from it? thank you!

He could do a slight redesign on that case by including a set of pegs in it so that he could fasten the board in place when they are snapped together.

You have the best energy when talking about this stuff. "I'm looking at you-" haha. Rock on.

This video is a valuable resource. I have an MDD G4 Dual 1.2GHz. I just replaced the aging HDD with a NOS WD 80GB HDD. I need to upgrade to an SSD and put Sorbet Leopard on it. Need some time to do it.

The Kingspec PCB certainly is designed much more nicely, I like the two stacks of memory chips (well it has the solder points for them) rather than one back to back across.

I was just looking at these! The price of the kingspec is pretty high considering how cheap M.2 adapters are. But it is good to see it’s actually what it says it is..

Oh my gosh, I have never been more jealous of any system than that MDD. I had an MDD in my teens - wish I knew what happened to it. Such a beautiful machine. I've been wanting to pick one up, but I just can't afford it... my "daily driver" is closing in on 15 years old itself... 😭

I wish it was possible to slide in the Transcend PATA IDE SSD into those tests. I've hunted for a teardown, but I don't see one online. The main draw of the Transcend PATA IDE SSD was that they listed a firmware level wear leveling onboard as well as options for TRIM (OS depending) as other neat features. I'm curious if that SSD uses the same controller chip as the DOSDUDE board as well, and if it's integrated into the firmware of the chip, or if it's custom flashed. I have a Transcend 128GB drive, so I may crack it open to get some pics of the internals, as it's more expensive than the King something-or-other brand.

What's the brand, and price, of the cheapo adapter that came in third? Did you make a video about it and I missed it?

This is quite interesting. If I'm understanding this right, a SATA drive would be faster even with an adapter for translation. While I was not aware of the DosDude offering, I've been considering the KingSpec vs the very IDE / SATA adapter that came in 2nd, with a Crucial MX500, for a Celeron 325 machine my friend's kid picked up for $15 (he's still learning). I would have two questions. First, is that adapter suitable for boot / OS drive use, and second, would I see the same differences across these devices on a Windows PC? Without the technical know-how and skill, the DosDude solution is only feasible for me if I can get one ready-made for a comparable price, which may not be feasible for its creator.

That small SATA adapter looks perfect, since most sata SSDs are smaller inside, we can probably make 3D printable shells that can fit both the adapter and the SATA ssd in the right spot. Or just put some kapton tape on them and let them sit loose in older laptops.

The Startech Adapter is great. The only adapter that managed to get a SSD working in my original Xbox.

i use that same startech adapter in both my OG xbox and ps2. i found that the startech IDE adapters are the most reliable.

What were the test results for the mSata to IDE adapter?

would these also work on a socket 478 system , i have a 2004 dell optiplex

I bought a cheap no-name IDE to SD card adapter for my Gigabit Ethernet G4 and it boots OS 9.2.2 in 36 seconds and boots OS X 10.4.11 in 20 seconds. And for 10 bucks and the 128GB SD card I just had lying around I’d say that’s a pretty good value. As for the dosdude drive it also has more chips and I’d imagine the controller chip is running them in a sort of Raid0 type setup.

I experimented with this too. IDE to sata converter with an SSD boots faster over that IDE port than over a PCI sata card. A lot faster...

That ESATA addin board also has RAID so what about going with 4x matched SSD drives might work.

I would love to know what the score of a standard IDE drive is as a baseline.

Even today as a 29yr old i still have it on my list of things to do too build a normal pc inside a G4Tower case as it looks kinda easy to adapt. making my 12yr old dream mac like pc build

I was given a G3 "Pismo" PowerBook with an internal fault that prevents it from recognising internal drives. But in my collection of "stuff" is a CF-FireWire 400 card reader. I installed Tiger on a 32 GB CF card and OS 9.2.2 on a 1 GB CF card. Both cards can boot this laptop although each has to be ejected then reinserted into the card reader before attempting bootup.

I've seen these IDE flash modules before. They are supposed to be just plugged directly into the port on the board, no cable needed. So only one drive, and expensive. And while both IDE SSDs have the same chips, they use different amount of memory chips. And just as with SATA SSDs, more chips means more controller-to-memory bandwidth. That is also the reason why SSDs of the same model but different sizes give different speeds.

I was pretty certain the startech adaptor was going to come out towards the top. Quality devices from that company.

I'd definitely like to see benchmark figures for classic hard drives roughly the same size! Most likely even the CF card would be faster than most late-90s/early-2000s hard drives.

@bjarnenilsson80

Жыл бұрын

Probably, especially on random reeds and writes, thus us wgerecssds ( or any soldid state storrahe) beats spinning rust hands down, due to not needeing ro move the heads berween tracks and wait for thevrelevant data to come by on the next rotation.

It was a while ago, but I did put an IDE SSD into a G4 Mac Mini. It worked decently

You need a KingSpec ATA Disk On Module (DOM) which goes right in the ATA connector.

How do they compare against IDE and SATA mechanical drives?

This is a most commendable video, sir.

out of curiosity, were all of the solid state options faster than spinning rust?

i upgraded my imac G4 20 inch to SSD (kingston 240GB + PATA/Sata adapter the StarTech one as in your video) from this upgrade he random Freeze or black screen need to reload any suggestion??? with is original Hard disk 0 problem

could you do boot times if possible. would be good to see the difference

The difference in speed between the DOSDude drive and the KingSpec drive probably has more to do with the DOSDude drive having 4 flash chips vs. only one in the KingSpec. Most SSD controllers have multiple memory channels, and can access multiple flash chips in parallel. (The PCB quality in the KingSpec may also play a role.)

@FinalManaTrigger

Жыл бұрын

Came here to say the same thing! The controller will write data across all the chips it has access to, so write times will definitely be better on dosdude's drive.

@bjarnenilsson80

Жыл бұрын

@@FinalManaTrigger and read times as well i suppose, wouldn't having multiple flash chips om a multi cannel controller be allmost the same as having sevaral IDE drives in a jbod ( ofc without the seek time on flash and possible lipitations on top and soeed due to not using multiple ide channkes on a dedicated ide raid controller and thus being limited byba single udebus)

2.5" sata Hewlet-Packard 654540-001 adapter sleds are very good 2.5" SSD mounts as they preserve 3.5" sata connector physical locations, bolt into mac pro 1,1 and above apple sleds

What score does a spinning disk get? Is it still slower than a CF card?

Don't forget to do a nice low star count video review of the Kingspec SSD on the website from which you purchased it.

What would a regular spinning rust drive score? Is the CF still better than an old HDD?

@MickeyMishra

Жыл бұрын

In just about all aspects the CF card if you're running an operating system is still slower. It's because mainly it doesn't do so well when you have a bunch of commands like when you're running and operating system. It's still faster if you're randomly seeking data but again when it's impractical use it really doesn't make sense.

It's nice seeing retro hardware tested scientifically rather than anecdotally. I doubt anyone would have expected that little Startech adaptor to beat the generic PCI SATA card going in to this.

my question how scalable is it to 1-20TB hard drives or similar in ssd

i have that same G4 great machine really fast love it.. i do have a different screen then yours but no big deal

I actually bought a 64GB KingSpec PATA SSD back in 2016 for my Thinkpad T23, and it was only storage in that laptop until 2021 when I added an UltraBay HDD caddy and an SD-to-PATA adapter for storing more stuff. That KingSpec drive is still running my 98SE install and works great. The only concern is budget. It was definitely hard to swallow $50 on a 64GB SSD. Hopefully dosdude's creation will be more reasonable.

@bjarnenilsson80

Жыл бұрын

Much will depend on hiw much pcbway will charge fore delivering the cards pre populated ( unless you want to do the soldering yourseld) and how much the case and shipping costs.

I've upgraded my car's entertainment system (2010 BMW CIC) from spinning disk to ssd. Based on recommendations, I used a Marvell based IDE->mSATA adapter (Kuroutoshikou branded). It works fine, and according to The Internet, the others don't work with this system. So I would recommend if you want to use anbd mSATA adapter, to find a Marvell based one. Also, I wonder if the open source one works on the BMW CIC system, but since I have a working setup I don't think I will try it our.

My first SSD (circa 2009ish) was KingSpec branded. It failed rather quickly. But boy did it give me a taste for the speed benefits of an SSD.

Hello noticed that the dude sad had all 4 chip location fitted presumable to have a large capacity. Compare to the Amazon who only had 1 chip. That might affect performance depending on the controller. As the controller might be able to write to several or all the chips in parallel or and that bottleneck the Speedtest does the Amazon one have a disk with larger capacity with equally number of chips on it? If it has I would test it with the same chip layout before make a conclusion of the product.

i've been using that exact startech sata to ide in my 800mhz imac for a few years, though with a sata hdd not an ssd, still pretty fast though.

That upgraded G4 must ♬ Fly Like a G6. Like a G6. ♬

This reminded me of those last agp cards that were actually pci express but had a chip that "converted" to agp on the card itself (on the opposite side of the chipset). I just wish people would stop using CFcard thinking it's ssd. CFcard is not SSD, they are slow, they have an absurdly lower number of reads and writes in the long term, they were made to be used as a pendrive and not for an operating system to write to it multiple times. They last a lot less, and are a lot more expensive. Those industrial flash ide modules are also cfcard technology, and are only designed to be read many times (not written), not only are they expensive, they will only last a few years in a retro gamer machine.

@DoomWarriorX

Жыл бұрын

sorry thats not true. CF Cards were developed for mobile devices like PDAs, Cameras and small form factor laptops. CF first of all is an interface - thus says nothing about the storage technology. For example IBM produced a hard drive in CF Card form factor. CF Cards were most of the time NOR-Flash, later NAND-Flash. Those ARE Solid State Drives. You are drawing a line into the sand where no line is. The main difference between modern NVMe or MSATA drives compared to the CF Cards are the controller. They got more sophisticated caching stuff in DRAM to avoid writing on the Flash to often, mapping the physical storage to spread out write operations, having more capacity and swapping those around - again to reduce write operations on a single Gate. But from the flash perspective there is no huge difference between a SD Card, CF Card or NVMe drive. Also i disagree, you COULD use a CF Card for a gaming system, but you should avoid using those as a swap device or disable writing logfiles on those drives. Having a DOS PC with a CF Card is absolutly fine - the few created Save games does not matter.

those Silicon Motion controllers have a number of channels and without looking that one up I would guess it has 4 (usually theyre even numbers, 4, 8, whatever) and so my guess is that perf diff is in part due to the parallel (no pun intended) nature of the flash being accessed...im surprised though that it matters as I assumed the bottleneck would have been the interface - i guess that shows what a HUGE difference having a RAM cache makes on these as that wouldve leveled the playing field is my guess regardless of number of channels for most workloads anyway

Hey, haas anyone in the comments mentioned yet that the speed difference is more likely interleaved writes? Just wondering.

awesome video and i still need a mini PCIe PATA SSD xD

Thing is, the marvel based ide to sata adapters are quite good, there are even variations for ODD support on slave via jumper. Anyway, the cheap solution with adapter and standard quality sata ssd will outperform any other solution, especially if the ssd isn't total garbage and has proper dram for block mapping and slc for burst writes. Add to that, modern ssds own internal garbage collection and wear leveling routines which don't even need some OS flags to start them, it will be long time before that combo will fail or become inadequate slow.

Hmm what about size limitations on GBs my old white and blue ide had a problem what about g4 machines

I wonder if the KingSpec only having 1 memory module vs DOSDUDE's having 4 is part of the cause of the speed difference. I know that can affect NVMe SSDs. Just look at the stories from the recent Macbook releases. A test of KingSpec's 256GB SSD might had shown a different result.

@ActionRetro

Жыл бұрын

Oh interesting, I didn't know that could affect speed

@Astfgl

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that was my first thought as well. SSDs with multiple flash chips can use striping, i.e. parallelizing reads and writes to improve performance. It's why SSDs with less storage capacity tend to be slower than the same model with higher capacity.

@LifeLifeLP

Жыл бұрын

This can also be seen in the M2 Macbook Air, it has fewer memory chips, and the disk IO is slower bc of that

@matthewday7565

Жыл бұрын

@@ActionRetro The controller is 4 channel, so with 4 flash chips, it will perform better than with 1 - typical of SATA SSD controllers as well, so the 120/128 GB model will usually be slower. With 64GB flash chips, a 64 will be single channel, a 128 dual channel, a 256 quad channel and a 512 two chips per channel, with the 1TB moving up the chip capacity by 4x and going to 4 chip again

The best MSATA to IDE adapter you'll find is the Ableconn IIDE-MSAT. It uses the Marvell 88SA8052 chipset. I've bought countless of the Chinese MSATA to IDE clones and they all fail. The extra cost for the reliability and performance of the Ableconn adapter is worth the price. The current retail price of $42 USD for Albeconn + $35 Kingston KC600 256GB, make it comparable in price to dosdude's pre-assembled 256GB. Plus the Albeconn is reusable in the future as the MSATA SSD wears out.

@MickeyMishra

Жыл бұрын

You're going to have to do a lot of computing on that device to have it wear out. I haven't had that issue and I have had some of my SSDs since they first started making them and I have yet to have one actually fail which is actually kind of lucky for me.

While I enjoy all of you videos, this one has to be the most useful for me thus far.

That Sonnet card in all of that 64-bit PCI goodness. 64-bit PCI and all of it's speeds might be moden EISA.

i wonder what is the manufacturing date and if it is only expensive because it was stocked on amazon 10 years ago

Is there a way to use TRIM on these PATA SSDs and ones in adapters?

@churblefurbles

Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing not, so the tests are a bit misleading. x25-e SLC is what one would use to counter no trim.

@nickbooker5579

Жыл бұрын

​@@churblefurbles thanks

The SM2236 chip is a compactflash card controller. The Dosdude and the Amazon special drives are essentially CF cards, just using modern flash devices, which is why they kill the speed of the CF card. But from a compatibility perspective there should be no difference between a CF card and those two drives. As for speed differences between them that's due to the number of flash chips. You often see this in specs, where lower capacity drives have lower speeds. It's all about parallelism which is lost if you have fewer flash devices.

Linky to DosDude1's prebuilt drive sales isn't working for me? I get an "access denied" (Error Code 1020) screen on every device and browser combo I try to use to access it. Well except for the TAM, which is still loading the error page two days later!

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huh strange, just tried it in Firefox and it works fine for me. maybe a temporary hiccup?

Kingspec vs dosdude I suspect the difference is multiple nand flash chips on the DosDude drive vs the single on the kingspec.

Just installed the 120GB Amazon PATA SSD in an old Gateway laptop and I haven't run speed tests yet but the speed up updating via legacyupdate I have some concerns it's got a very slow write speed.

The dosdude1 SSD might actually be a good fit for some of my old machines