My goal is to share compelling aviation stories. You are the ones that have the power to use that information to save lives! Here's another pilot debrief if you want to learn more: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mqGho7mtYbacZZM.html

@matthew-jy5jp

4 ай бұрын

Just wanted you to know that this is one of my favorite channels. And it is completely you that gives it its authenticity and it's credibility. I'm not a pilot I have no experience with their plans never actually been on an airplane. But you can definitely tell you know what you're talking about. And I've seen and watched every single one of your videos. And was very happy to learn more about your experience in the last one. Have a good New Year

@bodystomp5302

4 ай бұрын

You’re producing great content, Hoover. Much appreciated.

@Av-vd3wk

4 ай бұрын

I think what happened was simple to explain. As is known, she had issues working/understanding her AP. She fought it wanting to climb (as seen in her other videos) by using heavy/full nose down trim. This time, similar scenario, but she disconnected the AP (maybe accidentally even turned it off again and still didn’t know how to turn it on) and the plane instantly went full nose down and spiral. She probably panicked and was fiddling with the AP and or simply pulling up but forgot to level her trim. She fought the plane all the way down. And it’s likely control surfaces broke apart at that violent rate of descent as well…

@theplanechannelN863GT

4 ай бұрын

Thankyou so much Hoover!

@buckeyedarren

4 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣@@tracksuitJohn

Here is the take away from this crash: This young pilot knew she was incompetent but just laughed it off showing that she never took the gravity of that attitude. She crashed a fully serviceable plane in perfect weather entirely due to her incompetence. Her focus was on becoming a celebrity youtuber, not becoming a better pilot. The FAA needs to be aware of these rising wannabe celebrity pilots in a social media dominated world.

@mickeysmiths

4 ай бұрын

Yes, social media no doubt had some influence on the outcome of this woman's life. I commented similarly elsewhere. The FAA might start having a closer look at youtube & those that post 'pilot flying' videos..

@listey

4 ай бұрын

She wasn't young

@patrickpatton7123

4 ай бұрын

Yeh someone did this already, she had no business in a complex aircraft. Another dude did a A+ job on auto pilot explanation.

@nickolaymiltenov

4 ай бұрын

I don't know what is this narcissism and desire to expose all your life for public viewing. Well if you earn enough money from this at least chose something less dangerous than flying. Sorry for these two ridiculously lost lives.

@donaldjz

4 ай бұрын

​@@nickolaymiltenovOnly Fans for simps

I'm a 747 Captain with over 15,000 hours of service. Some of the most valuable conversations I have had during my career have been very uncomfortable ones in which people who were looking out for me pointed out deficiencies which needed correcting. Those people are our real friends, and my continued success is part of THEIR legacy.

@mikearakelian6368

2 ай бұрын

I had a high time 135 pilot ask me how to use the flight director in a caravan 1 hr before her flight...I advised her to cancel....get more training.she left anyway n flew into a line of cells...crashed! And radar didn't seem to make a difference! Always pissed me off...company didn't give a shit

@aliceenland9360

2 ай бұрын

@@mikearakelian6368 what is a a high time 135 pilot?

@thomasvet488

2 ай бұрын

Why that made you uncomfortable? It is our job to keep correcting each other in a respectful and constructive manner.

@andrewfrechette9902

2 ай бұрын

@@aliceenland9360 You are absolutely right. When I think I'm OK and someone challenges that paradigm, it makes me uncomfortable. That's normal. My real friends are more concerned for my welfare than my comfort zone. I live those guys.

@andrewfrechette9902

2 ай бұрын

@@thomasvet488 that reply was for you. I don't know why it tagged the wrong person

I was told on passing my check ride, "this is a license to learn". I always remembered and took it seriously.

@Alfra1324

Ай бұрын

I agree with you! When I got my commercial pilots license my instructor told me: You just got a ticket to learn! Will never forget those words! He was right! 😊

@stanfluellen2689

19 күн бұрын

I teach at a university, and I sometimes tell my students: College is not where you learn. It's where you learn how to learn.

@andyuk5

19 күн бұрын

SAME, I have had a PPL-H for 19 years and still learning!

@frits191

14 күн бұрын

A truely "smart" person would agree with this 100%, the biggest minds in science have always said, the more you learn the more you realize that you are not 100% an expert and never will be. Only "less intelligent" ppl (which makes sense no one person is born equal) usually will claim they know everything or take command due to that attitude, the attitude you have sir/madam, is therefore very admirable. Complacency/distractions were a big factor here I think, and overconfidence, no malice just sad

@aztecwarrior1421

5 күн бұрын

Very seriously, me too!!

The fact that all her videos were immediately removed by her family is very telling.

@bluedeval03

20 күн бұрын

Yep, didn’t want insurance seeing them and deny payout

@TheFlyingZulu

18 күн бұрын

They probably didn't want to see all of the well deserved and negative comments people were putting on them, reminding them of her death.

@EverythingsEventuall

15 күн бұрын

​@bluedeval03 the videos are still out there, definitely not the reason

@chrisemerson7743

6 күн бұрын

I don't think it was her family, I think it was the FAA or NTSB!

40 years later and these wise words from my FI are still in my head. "Anyone can learn to fly a plane, not everyone can learn to become a pilot."

@codacreator6162

3 ай бұрын

Ditto cars.

@MoivinSulunker

3 ай бұрын

pilot (n.) from Italian piloto, supposed to be an alteration of Old Italian pedoto, which usually is said to be from Medieval Greek *pedotes "rudder, helmsman," from Greek pedon "steering oar," related to pous (genitive podos) "foot," Pilot -- one who steers. Not everyone can be someone who steers.

@TexasDivorceAdvice

3 ай бұрын

I still hear him saying during landing approach..."Keep your hands on the goddamn throttle!!!

@wcads623

3 ай бұрын

How true that. 😣😣

@TheNewyorker66

3 ай бұрын

bravo 4 words if wisdom. ❤

I received my pilots license in 1993. After I passed my check-ride I simply realized I wasn't good enough to continue flying. I never flew again. I think I made the right decision. No regrets.

@conny.rapp.tattoo

4 ай бұрын

Oh no that is sad... my plan is to take an experienced co pilot with me for at least the first 100hrs and at least another 100hrs on any new planes that I get to know

@kenpickett9317

4 ай бұрын

I did the same! Passed the check ride for my ppl with ease…….and then never flew again.

@SnaxMuppet

4 ай бұрын

It takes a lot of guts to admit that you aren't up to doing something and I truly applaud you for taking that decision. I the guy that did my instructor training said something to me that has stuck with me all my life... just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. And in the context of flying he was making the point that not everyone has all the skills necessary to be a pilot. I have only once had to sit down with someone and ask if they really want to continue with lessons. It was awful for both of us but I felt it was the right thing to do.

@MonkPetite

4 ай бұрын

Nice self reflection. I’m raised with aircraft. Basically flown them all. (Better explained as a lot) but turning 55 I was fed up with it. Getting older a noticed I was not up te speed anymore. I was flying on routine skills. So I quit.

@ABrit-bt6ce

4 ай бұрын

I did the Air Cadet flying deal so tried aerobatics and the like. Decided to stick to cars.

Thank you for this video. I want to share my personal story. Soon after passing my medical school exams and beginning work as a doctor, I realised something was really, really wrong. I had been a great student all my life. I'm conscientious and diligent. I poured myself into my work and cared a great deal for my patients. But I noticed I kept making errors or near-errors in my work. None of them led to actual harm but I came pretty close. After a few months of this, I decided to take a break from clinical work to reset, thinking it was just exhaustion. I returned a few months later, but nothing improved. So I made the INCREDIBLY difficult decision to give up my clinical practice and medical license (pretty much permanently). I instead shifted to work in supporting roles behind the scenes. (I eventually received a diagnosis which explained why I was messing up, which I will not disclose here.) Even though my mistakes had the potential to screw things up horribly for my vulnerable patients who were depending on me, I actually received a lot of pushback from family, friends and colleagues for my decision to leave. I was called lazy, risk-averse, conservative. I was told to "just try harder" or "you'll get better at it" etc. I was even called selfish for "throwing my opportunity away". I know there are many times we should not give up in life, but I am surprised that people were so harsh even if my decision was made to avoid harming my patients, and therefore myself. Looking back, I do still feel the pang of regret and loss of the dream & career I toiled so many years for. But I also know it was 100% the right decision, and I am enjoying building my career in a new direction. I firmly believe we should listen to our gut when it tells us to take a step back from a potentially unsafe situation. Be humble. And be safe always. Thanks for reading!

@cindysavage265

Ай бұрын

As a colleague, I thank you for realizing your limitations and choosing another direction. I takes a great deal of courage. One avenue you may consider is a career in medical ethics

@jayashrishobna

Ай бұрын

​@cindysavage265 thank you so much, Cindy. My work is now in quality and safety which suits me very well. I never considered medical ethics! That's such a great idea, as I have always been interested in it. Let me explore it further, maybe it's something I could still get involved in in some way.

@Pootie_Tang

Ай бұрын

If I learned anything in life, is that: 1) people, especially family and close ones often will try to make you pick a decision that will affect the course of your OWN life big time 2) one should never listen to other's opinion in such cases. Talking about your family etc. I'm happy for you not being weak and deciding for yourself how to live your life, only you know how to live it the best possible way. And also you did a right thing for potential patients, good for you!

@jayashrishobna

Ай бұрын

​@@Pootie_TangThank you for your encouragement! Yes, making our own decisions makes the consequences bearable, even purposeful.

@Pootie_Tang

Ай бұрын

@@jayashrishobna well said!

I was in a police aviation unit as a TFO and my turn came around to train to be a helicopter pilot. I passed my written and began my training with an excellent flight instructor and army veteran pilot. I always seemed to be a little behind the learning curve and my confidence level was so so. I learned to fly the helicopter and even completed my first solo flight. But, I knew my limitations and I felt my abilities to fly the helicopter were sub par so instead of fooling myself and continuing on, I decided to bow out of training. Not everyone is cut out to be a pilot.

@jezdfax

9 күн бұрын

I cringed when I watched this video as she just shrugged it off not know her instruments or at least following a heading to where she was going. She had no business flying an aircraft period and the flight instructor who checked her off, I'm sure is worried about what happened. Piloting an aircraft was way over her head. She just could not see it.

@trawlins396

5 күн бұрын

So true. Same with being a nurse, teacher, doctor. Not everyone can have those careers.

To be Brutally honest… I’m surprised she lasted so long.

@flywheel8541

4 ай бұрын

I'm surprised she never collided with another aircraft

@beeble2003

4 ай бұрын

@@flywheel8541 Hitting another aircraft in 3D space is much harder than hitting another car in the 2D space of the road.

@bheinlen

4 ай бұрын

Me too.

@usa4ever711

4 ай бұрын

When all is said and done, those small planes are usually the cause of death for MANY people that die on airplanes! They are usually where celebrities and lots of people die as they are weaker and less stable than the bigger planes!

@jamescampbell4334

4 ай бұрын

Im surprised she wasn't already flying for United before the incident.🤔

From someone who has watched most of the pertinent videos on her channel before they were removed, I'm baffled as to how she ever got her PPL. She didn't have even a basic understanding of how to fly. Frankly, she was utterly incompetent. In one video, she showed herself driving to an airport. In that video, she ran multiple stop signs, and was just as flippant about safe driving as she was about flying. What's sad is that not one person she encountered during her training and flying had the guts to step up and tell her that she had no business at the controls of an airplane, and never would have. And Hoover is correct. The NTSB found that her trim was set five degrees nose down at the time of the crash. That's halfway to the maximum of ten degrees.

@dicksonfranssen

4 ай бұрын

Someone will read that and think it's cruel and disrespectful, not me. If my pilot offered me a ride to the airport and drove like that no way am I getting into that plane. This is why I cringe at the thought of flying cars, something I've been reading for 40+ years. It's just not going to happen.

@sixter4157

4 ай бұрын

​@@dicksonfranssenI am with you about flying cars. No worries though, they will be run by AI. 😂

@dicksonfranssen

4 ай бұрын

@@sixter4157 AI, automated incompetence.

@steveludwig4200

4 ай бұрын

She would not have even qualified to be a stinkin UBER driver with those very OBVIOUS lack of Navigational skills.....What a shame for her Mom and Dad. RIP all...

@sixter4157

4 ай бұрын

@@dicksonfranssen I am stealing that.

"Look good first...win second" is sadly way too common these days. Social media is a plaque.

@BinanceStuff

7 күн бұрын

plague - but plaque isn't nice either 🙂

@4everu984

Күн бұрын

Not social media…think how much we are learning from mistakes. The plague is the desperate need for constant attention.

I'm a skydiver with no interest in becoming a pilot. BUT these Debriefs have helped me think long and hard about my skill level, currency, desires, and attitude. Thank you for making me think and rethink.

I just cannot get over the fact she had a huge compass right in the middle of the dash, and still had no idea where she was going...

@green31OSU

4 ай бұрын

That's the part that boggled my mind with that video as well. She knew she basically had to go dead East after takeoff, she literally commed that waiting for clearance. OK, so maybe you get a bit confused after you're in the air because you accidentally went left instead of right, the sun was in your eyes, autopilot did something you didn't expect, whatever. You're still quite close to your starting point...turn until you're dead East on the compass and you'll practically be perfectly on course still.

@5CGQ

4 ай бұрын

The instrument will help you only if you look at it. My flying experience is limited to MSFS, plus half an hour in a Cherokee in a "come-and-try" experience. I reckon 80% of my attention was on the compass and altimeter. Thanks to an excellent instructor I was able to enjoy the experience without making any mistakes.

@earlycuyler4019

4 ай бұрын

Female pilot.

@laumay7364

4 ай бұрын

@@earlycuyler4019what does that mean? Females don’t understand how a compass works or just female pilots?

@randomgrinn

4 ай бұрын

A compass? What's that for? Old tech, can't be worth anything. If I could just figure out how to turn on my modern tech I'd be fine.

I am a retired boat captain who had to navigate channels in pitch-black conditions with heavy winds, current, fog, rain, and sleet using just the radar. At times, I couldn't see other ships I was passing in narrow channels. When I first got my mates license I was having trouble tuning the the radar so the captain came over and said I suggest you read the entire radar manual and he added a comment I never forgot throughout my career and that was "You gotta be smarter than the equipment you are operating." It's too bad no one took her aside and said,"Hey, you are in over your head."

@DanTheManIOM

4 ай бұрын

I told my kids when they were little, you have to be smarter than the box to open it! I can't imagine navigating at night in heavy winds, current, fog and rain. The interstate is enough of a challenge for me. No, they don't call me Ishmael !

@asbestosfiber

4 ай бұрын

She was over her head at that time. If someone had said what your captain had said to you, she might have realized she needed more study.

@johnswanson3741

4 ай бұрын

She identified as a man. lol

@ninjaswordtothehead

4 ай бұрын

I was told it was the "10% Rule". You have to be at least 10% smarter than the equipment to use it properly.

@ronniepaulinc

4 ай бұрын

I was on a 50m in conditions that shook my bones, visibility was zero, and we were all in the wheel house with the captain that was so collected it appeared that 100% of his effort was focused on keeping his coffee from spilling. Not a concern in the world while the rest of the crew acted like it was just another day at the dock. I now have 2 rules about boating, if your crew aint that salty dont invite me and I will never go back to St. George, the Bering Sea aint for me!

My Dad has flown for over 50 years and my brother flies a fighter. When I was younger I considered pursuing a license. However, I know my limitations. I don't have the attention to detail that they do. So I decided to keep my feet on the ground. But I salute those that do it and love it. By the way, this was a nicely done video and very respectful while providing the necessary blunt honesty. My soul aches for those two in their last moments.

I am from 🇮🇳 India n i am a combat aviator (helicopters).. love your debriefs.. My instructors in flight school always forced us to prepare maps, draw the route, identify time n track CPs enroute even though the aircraft had GPS & auto pilot.. He used to emphasize time for pre flight preparation I still follow that..n in these debriefs its jus the casual attitude n lack of preparation that kills you 90% time.. Happy landings sir

@robk4099

2 ай бұрын

Awesome advice to learning aviators. Jai hind

@AbdullahiHassan00

Ай бұрын

Got my ppl in kenya and even after almost 150 hours i still make my map and time points even though the planes i fly have both GPS and autopilot.

@tomrohan8480

29 күн бұрын

@@robk4099 jaihind bruv

@brokenbird2136

26 күн бұрын

​@@tomrohan8480what does jaihind mean? I am just curious

@tomrohan8480

26 күн бұрын

@brokenbird2136 Sir it's a mark of respect for our Nation 🇮🇳 India.. it means " Victory (Jai) to India (Hind for Hindustan) or Long Live 🇮🇳 India

She was a perfect example of just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.

@scottsimpkins7894

4 ай бұрын

Agreed. Just to throw in an alternate perspective...know when YOU should know more, be more deliberate and pay closer attention. I love the idea pushing the envelope but she pushed too hard too fast.

@Yakomoe

4 ай бұрын

Anything you can do I can do better I can do anything better than you..... so sad

@freespeech469

4 ай бұрын

Daddy gave her the money but not the smarts to tell her to stop. Unfortunate

@GrantMcMullen-yj6oq

4 ай бұрын

Clearly she couldn't fly nor should she have.

@thelastword3270

4 ай бұрын

@@freespeech469 It's very common for fathers to want the best for their "little girl", and throughout the child's life, "no" is a word they never hear. They're told they're "special", and whatever they want, they get. It comes as a shock when they later discover that real life's not like that. I see a parallel here with some doctors who decide to become pilots. They've already accomplished a lot in life, and acquired complex skills in their profession, some of them just think, how difficult can it be to just fly an airplane? And some of them end up at the bottom of a smoking hole, which is why Beechcraft Bonanzas got the nickname "Forked-tail Doctor-Killers". They just didn't take flying all that seriously, with fatal consequences.

Engages the A/P and then says "let's see where it takes us" Unbelievable.

@kelvyquayo

4 ай бұрын

It’s like she thought Auto-Pilot is AI Controlled..

@retro440

4 ай бұрын

I'm hoping she was just being a smart-ass, but, maybe, not.

@ChavngRynsPvts

4 ай бұрын

Wait? You don't have the newest Garmin AP with telepathic power to know what altitude and heading you want to fly?!

@prhanson

4 ай бұрын

@@retro440 she probably already had experience with it taking her places other than where she wanted to go, since she had no idea how to program it.

@Entroper

4 ай бұрын

Seriously, when you engage AP, you should know exactly what it's going to do, and if it does anything else, you immediately disable it. YOU are the PIC, not the autopilot. Fly the plane, don't let it fly you.

I’m not a pilot but I’ve been fascinated by plane crashes and aviation history my whole life. I just discovered you and I love the way you explain these technical details which I actually understand! U are just amazing! Steve o of the skies

Thanks! Really appreciate your detailed information. I am a private pilot in training and find your analysis of mistakes made is very helpful. Also F15 Strike Eagle has been my favorite plane since I took and interest in aviation and computer simulators/game dating back to the original IBM PC 🙂Appreciate the work that goes into your videos.

@pilot-debrief

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! I’m glad the videos help. I’m sure you’ll do great - keep me posted when you get your PPL. Cheers!

I watched all her KZread flying videos before they were removed, and 'shocked' is an understatement. It doesn't take someone highly involved in aviation to quickly pick-up on her attention to hair, cameras, technology, chewing gum, fiddling with stuff, social media, voice-overs - she appeared completely detached from the reality of what she was attempting to do and she showed no apparent concern of how knowledgeable and competent she appeared to whoever might be watching her online. It's as if all the lights weren't on or no one was really home - she just wasn't present in her situation - if you know what i mean. She was there, but she wasn't all there - and she apparently had no clue. I'm shocked her dad would go up with her. A horrible tragedy for this family, but certainly other eager students can and should learn from this.

@topfuelfan

4 ай бұрын

Ditto, Reminds me of so many soccer moms driving in my neighborhood. They don't even get out of the driveway before messing with their phones , completely oblivious to everything . I miss the days when so many would just chain smoke cigarettes and white knuckle it to the watering hole 🍻 The algo's have destroyed most peoples cogitative processes. If you read this far you should watch " The Social Dilemma" documentary style movie. It's very enlightening about social media and it's effects on it's users.

@___Neo___

4 ай бұрын

Yes, this the your new generation of pilots, doctors, train operators, etc. The zombies are already here..

@DerekKerton

4 ай бұрын

Dunning Kruger effect. She was so bad at aviating that she was unaware of all the stuff she was bad at. Non-pilot aviation enthusiasts, or people who know some science, or just a bit of orienteering, can spot numerous faults and weaknesses in her flying. Geez, forget aviation. How does she drive a car and arrive at a destination? Her route is due east. Put the sun on your right side, and you're already doing much better - with the bonus of not having to adjust the visors every 20 seconds. And the top device above her dashboard looks an awful lot like a compass. After take-off, turn right until that reads "EAST" or 90, and aviate a bit. But she wanted to use the tech in her plane. That's fine. But on prior flights they "didn't work for her", or she couldn't turn it back on. How on earth can you realize you didn't know how to use your GPS in a flight, then laugh at yourself about it...but not then spend the next week reviewing the owner's manual, then practicing using it ON LAND, then air. Same for the autopilot. Her video clips are just very hard to watch.

@aljazi7304

4 ай бұрын

It’s tragic if you are not ahead of the plane

@ebenezerwheezer2957

4 ай бұрын

@Topfuelfan I'm almost 70 and I have been a licensed pilot since I was 19. I have never had a problem chewing gum and piloting an aircraft at the same time. As a matter of fact it helped me from getting a dry throat from the dry air in the jets.

Her buying a new fancy plane right after getting her license speaks volumes about where her heart and mind was when it comes to flying. It didn't seem like she wanted to learn the craft. She wanted to be able to tell people she was a pilot. That is as deep as that went for her.

@moosecat

4 ай бұрын

The fact that things aren't going well, and she's busy playing with her hair (is it for the camera, or just a nervous reaction?) spoke volumes. Her follow-up about dying when she couldn't figure out how to turn the stupid autopilot on had ME dying...of second-hard embarrassment, NOT laughter.

@CS-uc2oh

4 ай бұрын

@@moosecat yeah and someone else pointed out the strangeness of how calm she was and how she made no effort to problem solve or ask for help from anyone else... it really made me think that she just didn't "get" what piloting a plane really means. It's not like learning how to ride a jet ski... It's serious business on so many levels.... She acts like she was on one of those spinning rides at Disney world and couldn't figure out how to get it to twirl.

@user-kb1hw2yq2f

4 ай бұрын

Social media is a drug. She wanted to be a social media star.

@thooke222

4 ай бұрын

(I'm not a pilot). A 58 year old plane can still be considered "fancy"?

@stevevu5955

4 ай бұрын

@@CS-uc2oh Makes you think of the the Dunning-Kruger effect and how the most ignorant people act the most confident because they don't know enough to know how little they know. One could almost imagine that her being a successful independent businesswoman gave her a sense of entitlement and the idea that she could "conquer anything" on her own pure ability and that there was no possible way she could be as far behind as she actually was.

A wonderful video ... both in terms of technical knowledge & insight shared from your experienced perspective; as well as sense of shared humanity in the story-telling. Thank you so much & I am very pleased that you're back. Much respect to you.

great channel , flying is a very serious business and you obviously brought that message home, sorry to the family for their loss and condolences to anyone who knew them rip x

What is really shocking about this incident is that weather was not a factor. Light winds, daytime, clear vis... it's really obvious she lacked solid foundational skills and that she was flying a far too complex aircraft for her skill level.

@bobwilson758

4 ай бұрын

Simple actually - Not Qualified .

@mvd4436

4 ай бұрын

​@@bobwilson758Who passed her ? Someone should have their instructor lic revoked

@SkelNeldory

4 ай бұрын

She got a degree in human resources, so you know why it happened.

@micheleh5269

4 ай бұрын

Would she not have gotten lost if she was in the Piper?

@entelin

4 ай бұрын

@@mvd4436 It's hard for me to immediately jump on that bandwagon. It's hard to say unless you were there and saw what the instructor saw. You would think you would notice severe deficiencies, or that you would be able to dig into the student while flying to see if you could bring them out. That's not always the case though... Perhaps when under scrutiny she performed passably. It wasn't just her instructor, it was the ffa examiner, then an instructor again for complex signoff, and another faa examiner. They all passed her. There's no way they would have if she couldn't hold a stable flight attitude at the time of examination. I'm not saying they didn't mess up, I'm just not going to assume they did, because I know it's possible to present differently at the time of the test.

You have done a great job of illustrating just how inept she very sadly was. I'm only a layman aviation fan, not a pilot, but it is just so blatently clear that she was neither qualified nor capable of safely operating an aircraft. She obviously didn't know what she was doing, didn't focus on the critical aspects of flying, and never should have passed certification. What a horrific mess.

@cw460

4 ай бұрын

And her father never said a word.

@mvd4436

4 ай бұрын

She should not have passed. But ppl that should pass fail , and ppl who should fail pass , all the time. It happens in driving too. Instructors that don't know what they are doing.

@rodneybrocke

4 ай бұрын

Yes. Inept is a good word. She was in way over her head. Although she was not a stupid person. I think it was a complete lack of common sense. Her meandering in the sky trying to reach the other airport is embarrassing. I hesitate to say it, but I think some people are just not capable of being pilots.

@TRC_WA

4 ай бұрын

She was more worried about her sunglasses… makeup… GoPro setup and her KZread channel than she was about flying the plane. Will the FAA ban vlogging until a pilot is instrument rated? Might be a good idea.

@HiThere-jn9me

4 ай бұрын

@@cw460 Well he did say something, but did not know what he was talking about as he was clueless just like her.

Thank you for being willing to speak the truth with compassion. So many people today are afraid to! Frankly I don’t fly nor have I ever been in an airplane but I have enjoyed your videos since they magically appeared in my KZread feed😊

I love this channel. Thank you for being so wise and kind.

Former flight instructor here. Confidence level goes up much faster than actual skill set.

@Pf-js5vt

3 ай бұрын

Dunning Kruger effect

@bobcaygeon6799

3 ай бұрын

And nothing comes down faster when that skill set fails 😞

@savm-7252i

3 ай бұрын

Factor in the influencer multiplier

@MrRugbylane

3 ай бұрын

@@Pf-js5vt Yup you beat me to it. I warned my son about the dunning kruger effect after he passed his driving test. About 18 months later he had a "prang" and broke a few bits on his car..... he called me to say "Dad, just to let you know ive arrived in the 'pit of despair"....

@ashred9665

3 ай бұрын

Dunning Kruger effect

Army vet (2000-2010) and one of the best pieces of advice I heard was, "You better be 10% smarter than equipment that can kill you".

@ryszardfrysztak4223

3 ай бұрын

I would say 100% NOT 10%

@johnkemas7344

3 ай бұрын

I'd actually say you should be at least 30-50% smarter. My 2 flight instructors both always told me when learning to fly VFR and IFR first you must learn how those instruments work, how to use them, then learn to trust them. Other great advice was to know your airplane thoroughly, learned its' quirks and how they can kill you, and how to deal with them and don't do stupid things - IE be more focused on your KZread production than your plane. God rest your souls.

@WingedTRex333

3 ай бұрын

​@@ryszardfrysztak4223 Essentially, sometimes even the best crash simple planes.

@Meleeman011

3 ай бұрын

i think i'm 1% smarter

@RUS38

3 ай бұрын

And that’s exactly why AI is gonna kill human civilisation.

I have a 16 yr old pilot. This was a great video. To help others, the tragedy needs to be shared while being respectful of the unfortunate situation. Well done

Outstanding video. Very fair description, and I like that you explain the need for a dispassionate dissection of what really happened. Facts are facts and need to be learned.

Her mental attitude seems strange. She is behind the aeroplane, and she realises it (she knows she cannot work the autopilot, is "unsure of her position," etc), AND... she is not bothered. Her voice is sooo relaxed. She is not trying to solve her problems, or get anyone else to solve them, in any way. Yet surely she knew you can die in an aeroplane. It is an astonishing level of detachment.

@dsmhiggins67

4 ай бұрын

She seemed overwhelmed most of the time; some people exhibit this detached state when over the limit. I find these people very scary indeed..

@steveludwig4200

4 ай бұрын

I'm guessing Xanax.

@ggoddkkiller1342

4 ай бұрын

There are more videos of her really struggling to use autopilot using buttons wrongly etc, clearly she had no idea how it worked. And these videos were on her channel for months why nobody bothered to warn her or perhaps she refused to listen is really mind boggling..

@johnroscoe2406

4 ай бұрын

Because she was a #girlboss who was always in control! Until she wasn't. Her attitude was her problem at the fundamental level. She was the type of human being who was allowed to skirt by and "succeed" in everything she did because other people wouldn't allow her not to.

@EatsLikeADuck

4 ай бұрын

​@@steveludwig4200 Quite the dick move to suggest she was on drugs. Way to slander the dead.

She was worried more about telling everybody she was a pilot more than actually becoming a pilot.

@ricardoroberto7054

4 ай бұрын

Sadly all too common and a complete lack of self awareness is very dangerous. Know your abilities and limits.

@xObscureMars

4 ай бұрын

More money than sense it seems. This was a hobby for her and buying another aircraft says as much.

@rayluna7032

4 ай бұрын

Well put

@exharkhun5605

4 ай бұрын

Have you ever met pilots? 😁I worked at an airline here in the Netherlands and I swear the average pilot spends more time in front of a mirror practicing how to tell everybody he's a pilot than they do in the air. Bus drivers we called them.

@jamesgentry13

4 ай бұрын

Oh look a bunch of non experts chiming in

She flew but was not a pilot. She didn't take the responsibility seriously. Too many "you go, girl!" attitudes out there and not enough thinking. Sad.

@trawlins396

5 күн бұрын

So true. And I'm a woman.

Dude I really like the way you do these, specifically the tone and language you use when recounting the events in these accidents. I think after you fly long enough, you get into situations where you realize how quickly, and/or how easily it is to get killed in a plane, no matter how good you are and no matter how seriously you take every aspect of it ( although you can go a long ways to mitigating the risks ). There are other good youtubers out there that do good, intelligent videos, and they don't necessarily denigrate or attack the pilot's mistakes, but I feel they can allow their own judgements creep into the language and or tone used describing these instances ( and the errors of the pilot, which as we know is pretty much every accident ). Keep em up & keep that head where you can empathize with these situations and the natural human characteristic of the mistake (or more often a series of them)

"A smart man learns from his own mistakes, but a wise man learns from others' mistakes"

@votpavel

4 ай бұрын

even wiser man knows he aint born to fly so he stays on the ground

@othername1000

4 ай бұрын

You assumed (insert incorrect plural word here) gender!! WTF dude? /s

@nateoliver3285

4 ай бұрын

Key word is “man.” She was a woman

@mrbill6765

4 ай бұрын

(Sad) Corollary: Learn from other people's mistakes. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself.

@davidf6326

4 ай бұрын

'but this was a woman' - and your point is? @@LazloNQ

She cared more about SAYING she was a pilot, then she did of actually BEING a pilot.

@markymarknj

4 ай бұрын

NAILED IT! It was part of her "boss babe" attitude and persona.

@marcdraco2189

4 ай бұрын

@@markymarknj life has always been an easy ride for her (she didn’t see it that way of course) until it suddenly did get difficult and then it was too late.

@livestock9722

4 ай бұрын

Feminism got the best of her. I see too many women like this living through a lens. Fly the dang plane!

@Kyle-xt8ip

4 ай бұрын

exactly what i was thinking. ​@@markymarknj

@srmj71

4 ай бұрын

That desire to be a KZread & Instagram pilot... for internet clout...

This video is highly informative. I am taking mental notes on everything you stated. While many pilots say a degree in Aviation means nothing. Other experienced pilots have told me that it will help when you cannot rely on the tech. Thank you for sharing!

Great review...So cool you acknowledge the people in the video...Great break down and this will help others

I'm a recently licensed pilot. I have about 125 hours and am working on my instrument. I've had friends ask to bring a GoPro with and share videos of flying and have politely declined. It's a distraction I don't need. I am serious about becoming a better pilot, and I'm spending all my flying time talking with ATC on flight following, flying into and out of my towered home airport, learning to hand fly a plane not having the altitude and heading vary more than a few feet and a few degrees, etc. In addition, I really think you're doing yourself a disservice as a pilot using auto-pilot when you're under 250 hours total time and still learning to fly, even in IMC. There is value in learning instrument scan and handflying even if you cannot see outside. Learn to fly before using all the gadgets that make things easier is the best approach IMO.

@bobwilson758

4 ай бұрын

Agreed sir - completely !

@CaptainXiamber

4 ай бұрын

Agreed on the autopilot. I very rarely fly with one at ~700 hours. I imagine when I get into instrument flying I’ll find it to be more advantageous, but right now I prefer to hand fly. As far as the GoPro goes - I have a couple on my airplane and I film some flights. But I always set them up the night before so I’m not rushed on preflight trying to get them ready. I also set mine on the ground and let them run, if needed I can pause them with a remote in flight, but most of the time I film short trips so don’t bother. Video can be a great way to review flights, but you’re right, it can easily become a distraction if you aren’t careful.

@7thsealord888

4 ай бұрын

I have heard it said that at 100-200 hours, a pilot "knows just enough to be dangerous". Sounds like you have the right idea.

@CaesarInVa

4 ай бұрын

You are a VERY wise aviator. The more a pilot is distracted in flight, the greater the risk of mishap. If a pilot can reduce distractions to the absolute minimum, including minimizing cockpit chatter, the greater the likelihood of catching something at the nascent phase that, if overlooked, could have disastrous consequences.

@glennwatson

4 ай бұрын

Worth knowing even as a low time pilot which circuit breakers will disable the autopilot if you are flying with one equipped regardless if you use it or not. Probably worth having some basic understanding also if its equipped. I agree low time pilots overuse the auto pilot regardless.

When i was 16, my dad got me some flying lessons. After about 4 hours, i decided, no matter how bad i had wanted to be a pilot growing up in oshkosh with eaa, my brain was not wired properly to do it. So sadly i gave it up. I still love planes, meet many great pilots at airventure every year. Sometimes you have to recognize when you shouldnt do something, you wont always have someone to tell you no

@knucklehead4233

4 ай бұрын

Same

@randemness2680

4 ай бұрын

@@knucklehead4233 and i dont mean to come off mean if it does. I dont want to discourage anyone from becoming a pilot. Those 4 hours of sitting in a small cockpit next to a pilot, with headset on, flying over lake winnebago, feeling the power of the plane in the yoke. Nothing like it ever. Something everyone should experience once, even if its through the young eagle program. I plug them because i was part of the first class in 1992 in Oshkosh, and its something more people need to be involved in lol

@knucklehead4233

3 ай бұрын

I hear ya. I flew from a very young age with my father who was a great pilot and had his own plane and grass strip. I know he wanted his son to become a pilot and I took a few lessons that he paid for but alas I was too young. I never finished or went back. It's not for everyone. Even if someone could get through a course and solo...it's still not for everyone...(As we see with certain tragedies). I flew with him many times, went to fly-ins, got to fly in an open cockpit biplane('tiger moth' they called it) back from a fly-in with one of his buddies, Still love it! Just can't fly it lol.

@CD-vb9fi

3 ай бұрын

That just means you are wise. There are lots of things people love because they can't work out a way in their mind to handle it... and there are lots of people that meet their won demise thinking they can "wing it" or "fake it till they make it". Sometimes you just have to cut bait and find a new love!

@larion2336

3 ай бұрын

I wanted to be a pilot as a kid. My first flight (on a small cessna) convinced me otherwise, lol. The sensation of dropping whenever you hit turbulence (which we had a bunch of) I really don't like.

You did a great job presenting this. Very Classy and informative.

When you explain her mistakes..You are saving lives! great job

Being a pilot is scary. The one reason I stopped flying was you can’t pullover if you get lost. If you get overwhelmed you cannot pull over and pause. And you can’t zone out for even a second. It is constant attention because you are always moving in new invisible airspace and you have to be situationally aware at all times. It is brutally exhausting if you’re not cut out for it. If I had continued flying I would be a casualty for sure. I felt it in my gut.

@shae9364

3 ай бұрын

Yep. I could probably get my license, but that doesn't mean I'd be a good pilot. I zone out too much. That's too dangerous.

@chrislonghawn4646

3 ай бұрын

10:56 10:56 10:57 10:57

@Ghostyfrost9688

3 ай бұрын

Yeah fuck that

@troymitchell1931

3 ай бұрын

You can call yourself a pilot when you fly a commercial airliner

@57Raz

3 ай бұрын

The best thing you could have done. It is well documented that specific personality traits are necessary for success in such an activity. And while the typical pilot personality brings its own challenges, it is generally much more suited to the essential demands of high stress multi-tasking in four dynamic dimensions while suppressing fear.

Jenny is the classic case of just following what someone told her .. but not understanding WHY she needs to do it. I saw all of her videos before they were removed. Its clear she really didnt understand basic physics, especially around the concept of lift and what causes a stall. In one of her most recent videos, her instructor was doing 90% of the radio calls .. and this is AFTER she had completed 400 hours (she seemed to be doing IFR training). There was also evidence in her recent videos that she wasnt aware that she needed to apply power when AP was engaged if you were pitching up and attempting to gain altitude. She literally said 'Shes struggling to get up', clearly assuming AP was going to adjust the amount of power needed automatically.

@wasabiginger6993

4 ай бұрын

So tragic that she will not get another chance

@foxxster3565

4 ай бұрын

Just think, if she had spent as much time reading the user manual for the autopilot as she did editing just one of her videos she and her father may well be alive today…

@mvd4436

4 ай бұрын

She thought flying was like learning how to drive. She seemed to have a lot of success and that had an effect on how she viewed flying.

@tstodgell

4 ай бұрын

@@mvd4436there are already way too many bad drivers with that same attitude.

@mboyer68

4 ай бұрын

I was lucky in getting a true understanding of lift by accident. The 172 my father would fly before he bought his first plane had a million hours on it and just as you'd drop in a stall, you could hear an oil can noise from above your head. The oil can noise was the bubble of low pressure that was lifting on the top surface of the wing letting go. That visualization really helped me understand what was going on. Before that I thought the bottom of the wing would hold us up by air pushing up on it, but it was the top surface of the wing causing the upward force. Of course my father explained it all, I didn't just think of it. When the low pressure would let go, the skin would relax and clink, you could hear the oil can noise. I was 12 i think. Never heard that in the Piper Cub he'd take me up in (cloth). And it was funny because I was 15 before I flew in a commercial aircraft. We had to take a regional flight to the final destination airport and climbed aboard a ~20 passenger turbo prop. I was amazed when people were calling it a puddle jumper. That was no puddle jumper when you're used to a Cub and a 172!!

Good Day and Thank You. This is an excellent, detailed and honest debrief. It furthered my understanding of her whole story, of which I only became aware of after her crash. I have hours of flight training but never got my private license due to changing my personal direction in that area. No regrets on my part, but she had no clue and should have only flown on "commercial flights", with a "boarding pass". "If the truth hurts, then let there be pain". Old saying. Best Regards.

Most of your debriefs I’ve watched so far Hoover, send a chill down my spine for the immense amount of overlooking by pilots and other associated people with the flights. I might be old school / old fashioned in aviation, but the errors are so multitudinous and glaring that it truly chills me. I agree this young lady should have never been licensed, as some have said, but in the Aaliyah video, everyone involved should have been charged with her death, and in the video about ‘pilot jokes about crashing’ ; they were closer to my experience, but ignored glaring minimums I never would have. It just freaks me to see people being so ignorant of safety. That said. Your videos are extremely helpful. It sends chills down spine - but it helps with safety in considering them. Thank you for doing them.

I was an instrument-rated private pilot. I trained in Knoxville and am very familiar with these airports and this area. I was always the opposite of Jenny Blalock...paranoid to a fault about safety, weather, navigation, etc. The crazy thing about this flight she was making is that you can almost see downtown Knoxville when you take off from Rockwood. There are two large steam plant towers and an interstate off to your left when you depart, plus the Smoky Mountains are due east. It's literally like getting lost walking to your mailbox. Some people just do not need to be pilots, period, and unfortunately for JB and her dad, she was one. The most important thing in life it to know what you don't know, especially in something as unforgiving as aviation.

@noroardanto

4 ай бұрын

Agreed. Clearly she didn't know that she don't know. Watching her videos is like watching someone without proper gun safety training, playfully pointing a loaded pistol around his/her friends. You really hope not, but also know that something really bad is going to happen.

@chadjmoore

4 ай бұрын

Agreed. Unfortunately money talks louder than common sense.

@JohnDoe-bi5cc

4 ай бұрын

Shame that DEI is replacing guys like you with the Jenny's of the world. Terrifying really.

@ToOpen6seven

4 ай бұрын

Well stated!! So sorry for this tragedy that appears could have been avoided. Still so sad for this beautiful young lady and her precious father!

@REALPLANETXVIDEOZ

4 ай бұрын

TRAINER KNEW SHE COULDN'T FLY,,,,,,,BUT PASSED HER ANYWAY 😱😱😱😱

I was an Air Force pilot for twenty years and a flight instructor for pilot training for about half that time. This story reminds me of one involving a young flight instructor many years ago. As a student in Undergraduate Pilot Training (UPT), this young man required extra training to meet the minimum skills required for graduation. Under normal circumstances he would have been tagged as being in the bottom third of his class and would have received a follow on assignment as a co-pilot in a crew aircraft. This would have allowed him time to grow his skills under the watchful eyes of more seasoned aircraft commanders. But he really wanted to come back to UPT as an instructor pilot, and as the need for them exceeded the supply, he was given an assignment as a T-38 instructor. He took a lot of extra training during the instructor school and just barely completed it. He was sent back to his UPT base and his squadron commander was advised to keep a close watch on him. New instructor pilots are typically given the strongest students to teach. And while most complete the additional training and evaluations to be designated as fully qualified within four to six months, he took more than a year. He finally achieved the status where he was not being as closely monitored in his flying activities. And one of the first things he did was volunteer as the pilot for a weekend cross country trip with a flight surgeon who was meeting his quarterly requirement for flying hours. They left on Friday afternoon and returned Monday morning. His decisions regarding strong winds that morning raised some eyebrows among supervisors and he then elected to divert to another base about fifty miles away. After successfully landing there, his aircraft flamed out due to fuel starvation while taxiing to the parking area. That triggered a full investigation of his weekend activities. It was discovered that he had incorrectly logged his takeoff and landing times, landed with far less than the required minimum fuel multiple times and violated mandatory crew rest requirements. And most of the errors were attributed to incompetence rather than deliberate violations. His actions were so egregious that a Flying Evaluation Board was convened to consider if he should remain on flying status. In the end he was allowed to keep the wings on his uniform, but he was permanently grounded as a pilot. I thought of this story because it shows how a person who lacks the fundamental skills and self discipline to be a safe pilot can slip through the system. Evaluators see a pilot when he/she knows they are being watched and they are at their best. What they don’t see is how that person handles themself when no one else is looking.

@lightworkeight4136

4 ай бұрын

Great post. I gues the bias is to expect that most will improve with time but as pointed out here there are a specific set of traits, behaviours, values, & characteristics that are actually needed from the outset to become a good pilot. Very unlikely that time & experience will instill these characteristics & traits.

@ebaystars

4 ай бұрын

good story thanks for putting it here

@redleader

4 ай бұрын

With all due respect Sir, She did NOT slip thru...she was dragged across the finish line. Her CFI is at least 50% to blame. I would have NEVER passed my ppt or any other checkride without basic pilotage and dead reckoning skills. She was a mess, passed on by her CFI. She never looks out of the cockpit! Unreal.

@jonkaminsky8382

4 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t be surprised if the young man you’re telling us about was a DEI hire. I too am retired Air Force. The bulk of the problem-people who were constantly creating problems were DEI recruits. The techs and masters who bullshitted their way to the top, and were completely useless, were DEI promoted. They were also the ones who would use favoritism to openly bestow favors onto the females and minorities in their flight, while passing over the others who were putting in the most effort to accomplish the tasks necessary each month. The political morass within my squadron was something that I found appalling, so on several occasions I spoke up about it and was punished accordingly. Your comment was excellent! I found no fault whatsoever in your words, but you simply reminded me of why our current military isn’t functioning as well as intended.

@philiporourke7896

4 ай бұрын

Great vid, thanx.

Sad event respectfully critiqued and analysed. I find your clips compelling and thought provoking.

Although these stories from Pilot Debrief are sad, I truly appreciate the host and the pilots who commented here. This felt the same when we had a tragic shooting of a police officer during my career. We learned from the incident afterward. Not to see who or what was at fault, but to learn that their sacrifice was not in vain and probably saved others from similar circumstances. I have not had my first flight lesson yet, but I have been made aware of many principles just through the pre-flight checklist mentioned so often in these videos. Thank you!

I have over 35 years experience flying in RAF UK military and commercial aircraft, just over 16,000hrs.I am also a QFI at a flight school in SW England. To me this person is a classic example of what I would call " a no hope " type of pilot candidate. She has no clue how to even carry out basic flight navigation, she doesn`t seem to know how the systems on her aircraft work, or what they can an can`t do. She ignores basic flight protocol, makes no calls to the tower or radar to inform them she is lost. She doesn`t seem to realise the runway she just took off from is still in view, she should be able to correct her error easily, but relys on autopilot to fix the situation. It`s like watching someone drving whilst using a mobile phone, she is distracted fiddling with her I-pad. it seems to me her interest in flying is just to pose, and boast online, " look at me in my cute little plane, and my aviator sunglasses " .It seems having her own aircraft was a plaything,like a little dog, or whatever. Sorry but I wouldn`t put her charge of a shopping trolley, much less an aircraft. I don`t understand how she managed to pass her PPL, like I said she can`t even carry out basic navigation, or use the radio to report her position and intentions, really basic stuff. It`s tragic that she lost her life and also her father, I`m not heartless, she should not have been anywhere near flying an aircraft. It would be interesting to see her flightlog, and who her instructor/instructors were. The basic skills just aren`t there. I have had a few pupils in the past I sensed would be trouble, and I was correct, so I had to advise them that attempting a PPL was beyond them. Sometimes people can slip through the net, maybe this is what happened here. There was a fatal accident at a flying club in Northern Ireland recently, were a pilot who was known for pushing the limits crashed and killed himself and his passenger,showboating over the clubhouse. He took off, climed to just 50ft before banking hard over the airfield clubhouse, he lost control, and crashed inverted in a fireball. The pilot had just 70 hrs flying time, but thought he knew better, in that time had been reported several times for dangerous flying. Now I`m not suggesting Ms Blalock was a dangerous show-off,but she clearly didn`t have even basic flight skills, which makes her a danger to herself, and others. Some people are better suited to being a passenger, rules and regulations are there for a reason, they have been established over years of aviation, yet sometimes people just don`t get it.

@warblerab2955

4 ай бұрын

It she was that bad yet still was able to pass her PPL, it says maybe they need to take a look at what it required to pass the PPL. sounds like the requirements should be beefed up. If it is true she couldn't carry out basic navigation(I don't have the knowledge to know one way or the other), or use the radio to report her position and what not, just how the heck did she pass her PPL? Sounds to me that passing the PPL should require that you are able to carry out basic navigation and be able to report your position.

@Bigsky1991

4 ай бұрын

There are sadly WAY too many of these girls out there online...each and every one with " pilot" in their name, tag, or Instagram title...and in 99.7% of the time, they are far more focused on LOOKING like a Pilot instead of actually getting the skills to BE a Pilot. And, the ending is always tragic. But...we as seasoned Pilots and IPs are raked over the coals if we mention this. It's only going to get worse I'm afraid.

@juliajohnson6022

4 ай бұрын

Paulmca, very well said. I think you “hit the nail on the head.” Scary how she was allowed to pilot a plane when she seemed clueless in so many areas.😮🇺🇸❤️

@twest3686

4 ай бұрын

@@Bigsky1991 I only hope these are not the pilots the airlines are going to hire.

@doun2others63

4 ай бұрын

​@@twest3686Google airlines d.e.i

I feel so bad for her old man. Being completely helpless, unable to help his daughter. RIP dad!

@zawarudo1041

3 ай бұрын

She needed help when she was raised because what caused this was staggering level of entitlement and severely misplaced level of self worth

@JohnnytNatural

3 ай бұрын

​@@zawarudo1041how dare you 😭

@pearlsswine

3 ай бұрын

He raised her lol.

@analyticalhabitrails9857

3 ай бұрын

Its a darn shame. S.m.h

@PD-we8vf

3 ай бұрын

It’s his own fault for never telling her she wasn’t smart enough to do this.

Kudos to your debrief. Having a daughter, I think you did an excellent job prefacing the accident. No one blames anyone in an aircraft accident, rather, we need to learn from others mishaps. It’s a right of passage, and a way to pay it forward.

This is the third video I’ve seen, I subscribed after the second. I am not a pilot-pilot. I actually am taking an exam on Tuesday to get my sUAS remote pilot certification. I am fining a great deal of useful information in these debrief videos.

How much time do you think went into taking pictures of herself for her youtube channel, social media channels, and business interests? Now how much time do you think she put into learning how to actually fly? It's clear what happened here. She never cared about flying, but really cared about "looking like a pilot."

@powellriver100

4 ай бұрын

right on !

@n206ja

4 ай бұрын

She had the Ray Bans and leather jacket down pat!

@brentdavidson1

4 ай бұрын

I think you're mistaking time with initial competence. Certainly she spent more time to get a PPL than taking pictures, it's a lot of work and probably more if you're not very good at it. The competence just wasn't going to be there, and the examiner and CFI unfortunately do have some blame here IMO

@ryanpenrod1859

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. When every picture you see of someone is carefully posed with hair and makeup in overdrive, looking good is most likely the main thing they care about in life. Seems like the flying only mattered to her because it made her look cool.

@jamesgullo8240

4 ай бұрын

She was clearly worried about her image, not her flying skills.

I saw on another channel she fired a CFI after one flight with him, blaming his instructional style for her poor performance rather than her lack of basic aviation knowledge. She replaced him with her non-pilot father. She was determined to do things her way. It was the deadly combination of arrogance and ignorance. At least she didn't kill anybody on the ground

@Ellie-rx3jt

4 ай бұрын

She fired the instructor she'd had for months because she finally listened to all the comments telling her how far behind her plane and lacking in basic piloting skills she was, and that he kept flying for her during lessons, rather than teaching her. She'd only had one one flight with her *new* instructor, not the one she fired. Her dad was just a passenger.

@vuggie123

4 ай бұрын

The cfi should take over controls if a student flies the way she did. Even flying stable approaches led to arguments even though she was flying way far to the right.

@thomasm9552

4 ай бұрын

Her obituary referred to her as a "girl boss". This is why the people closest to her wouldn't tell her the truth about her ability to fly.

@shawnpemrick4303

4 ай бұрын

@@Ellie-rx3jther CFI left for the airlines, that’s why she got a new CFI.

@fdllicks

4 ай бұрын

Blancolirio did some videos on that. Her other cfi stunk. He was on his cellphone. Hitting all the buttons for here, teaching little to nothing. He was bad. Blancolirio blamed some of her problems on crappy cfi's. Blancolirio says this is common in the industry, as cfi's are trying to get hours in the air to join an airline. Teaching is just a means to an end for them. They dont care if you learn.

Always hard to discuss mistakes in a tasteful way. We are all human and things happen so unintentionally. You did a great job taking an unfortunate incident and hopefully saving another pilots life. Very sorry for the family. Keep doing what you are doing and keep the next pilot and their aircraft safe !!!

I was told many years ago that many doctors own airplanes because they can afford it, but that many were very dangerous. I believe that knowing how to make money is not equivalent to knowing how to fly an airplane. This is a tragic story but a great lesson for many people who will probably never learn it from other's mistakes. Thank you for the video and the reminder.

@RussSwanson

22 күн бұрын

Truth. A neighbor was an MD, and was killed when his experimental aircraft stalled.

I am a commercial airline pilot and I found this by accident. Your analysis is spot on and perfectly balanced between the tragedy of the situation and the responsibilities that come with being the pilot in command of any aircraft.

@RK-be2ym

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for flying us around safely.

@virginicaanderson1569

3 ай бұрын

That's why I would never fly with an amateur pilot. We recently landed in a storm, with one aborted landing first, and I could have kissed the pilot to death! Thank you for being professional!

@AB-80X

3 ай бұрын

I think this analysis lacks one important step. How did she obtain her license in the first place. The mistakes she makes are so grave and "ignorant" to put it simply, that I can't fathom how she could pass any practical test. She knew nothing about navigation or proper plane operation. Imagine having this woman as a colleague and trying to get her to understand CRM. The cockpit would be chaos in a stressed situation.

@darugdawg2453

3 ай бұрын

I tried Microsoft sim and i cant maintain altitude while also doing other things. Do you always have to pull back the stick the entire trip or im just bad at using trims

@over50gamer

3 ай бұрын

@@darugdawg2453 Trims are a tricky thing to get right. Focus first on levelling off the speed so that your plane is no longer climbing (remember that more speed = more altitude) and settling on around the altitude you want, not what the plane wants. Then, use the elevator trim (the one that is usually just called "trim") to fine tune the altitude.

"I died laughing at myself" is one of the most chilling things I've ever heard. It seems it's literally true in this case. Instead of laughing at herself she could have recognized her weaknesses and sought additional training and understanding. Instead, she laughed and, a few months later, died and took her father with her. Tragic.

@danielnugent7709

4 ай бұрын

She died laughing herself right into her grave. Such stupidity.

@jennylouis60

4 ай бұрын

Humans are always their Jen worst enemy…

@sgtelias2258

4 ай бұрын

I'm sure a capable woman in her other on-ground endeavors... but she does carry a smidge attitude of a woman who has relied more on her looks and ability to charm others than she has using her brain. Unfortunately, the plane she was flying wasn't designed to recognize the former.

@jennylouis60

4 ай бұрын

@@sgtelias2258 facts. Very sad. I guess dad was so mesmerized that he didn’t realize the danger either?

@josephesposito3499

4 ай бұрын

wo-MEN shouldn't fly planes. They're NOT as good as a MAN

One thing is for sure, she's more focused on on board entertainment instead of flying that plane. RIP❤

Its a very sad story of such a talented and ambitious woman. She had so much she could still do in her life! Thank you for your debrief and the care you took to respect her and her family in doing so.

@jimdavis8391

2 ай бұрын

Ambitious? Oh yes. Talented? Not at all.

@emilschneider9974

2 ай бұрын

@is8391 When I say talented, I mean, from what the video showed, she may have been successful in her business endeavors. I respect that.

@deeprollingriver52

23 күн бұрын

@@emilschneider9974I guess we’ll never know because she…….

I had the opportunity to see several of Jenny’s videos before they were removed. As a CFI, it was pretty evident she struggled with piloting basics, which she apparently recognized because she let one instructor go and found a new one. IMO, she was not ready to fly a complex aircraft like the Beech, she always seemed to be behind the airplane. Her struggles with the Auto Pilot became a major distraction and I believe it contributed to this tragic accident.

@steveludwig4200

4 ай бұрын

She was a complete dunce.

@clockworkvanhellsing372

4 ай бұрын

I've got ~15h vfr on gliders with the 50 km overland flight and the practical exam missing. My last flight was ~10 years ago. I would still claim that I'm currently still more able to fly a plane than what she showed, which is, given my questinable skills, pretty terrible. I still can't understand how someone can have such a bad understanding of the principles of controlling an aircraft, task priorisation and pre flight planning after 400 hours, even with a new plane. Did sge have any theoretical lessons or are those not mandatory in the usa? And how can anyone give her her licence with that skill level?

@crazyralph6386

4 ай бұрын

@@clockworkvanhellsing372I don’t believe for a second she accumulated 400hrs? With her gross incompetence, she surely would’ve crashed long before this event.

@Atite_Lometen

4 ай бұрын

She fire him cause she felt he was the problem not her. By watching just a few minutes of her videos is evident that she never recognized that she struggle with piloting basics.

@mrtechstawk

4 ай бұрын

@@Atite_Lometen Exactly. My thought. Someone on youtube shared the video where she is showing a snippet of that instructor and herself during their fly sessions. In her debrief she is completely putting the blame on the instructor and didn't take an ounce of responsibility on herself.

Watching this and other videos on this tragedy I'm struck by how little situational awareness this woman had behind the controls of an aircraft. Some people are not suited to be pilots, it's not a criticism of them personally, it's just a fact.

@ericbarker68

4 ай бұрын

I'm amazed that she didn't comprehend to fly East after takeoff, if she even glanced at a map?

@steveludwig4200

4 ай бұрын

She wasn't even suited to be an UBER driver with those lack of navigational and GPS skills.

@CineSoar

4 ай бұрын

@@ericbarker68 it looked like she had a map on her iPad, and a compass on the dash. She completely ignored the compass, and it appeared that she would figure out that she was going the wrong way, only when she would notice that the dot on her iPad had moved far enough in the wrong direction to be obvious. Her father chimed in a number of times, trying to say which way they were going, but he was only correct about half of the time. It was maddening that her KZread audience could frequently see clearly, what she and her father had no apparent awareness of... the direction of the afternoon sun, and the runway they had just taken off from, which was just outside the window for about as long as the total flight should have taken.🤦‍♂

@cabovermike

4 ай бұрын

Almost like she had tunnel vision,.

@theondebray

4 ай бұрын

Some people are not suited to be a pilot - like me. There's so much info, hold in your head & act on, I could never be a professional pilot. I had a go at flying & LOVED it, couldn't afford to get my PPL which I could have done. But this is so far beyond my credulity. I SUSPECT that she got this far cos she was a pretty girl, knowing some of the flight instructors that I knew.

Jenny and her Dad, May GOD Bless your souls! Rest In Peace. So sad.

Very informative. Thank you, Sir ❤🙇🏻‍♀️

9:14 About 3 weeks ago I made this comment on one of Blanco's videos about this... and got shot down. Here's the comment I made: As a pilot and a KZreadr who posts aviation content... I film my flights mostly for myself, as a debriefing tool. I rewatch while I edit and critique my every move and radio call in an effort to improve. Putting the videos up on KZread is an afterthought to share with those who are interested in aviation. If people didn't watch, if there was no demand for the videos, I'd still make them for myself as a learning tool. What I can't fathom is how TNFlygirl could watch her own flights during the edits and not see that she wasn't in control. How could she not notice that she was always three or more steps behind?

@JoshuaTootell

4 ай бұрын

She probably had excuses for everything in her head.

@pilot-debrief

4 ай бұрын

I’m not entirely against cameras in the cockpit. Those that use them need to have a level of maturity and awareness to always make the camera secondary to everything else. Used correctly, they can serve as a valuable debrief tool like you mentioned but if the focus ever shifts to being more about the social media views than the debrief then it’s time to stop.

@user-it7lf7kk8m

4 ай бұрын

It's a bit like those who take car driving lessons with their friends in the back. You cannot possibly be 100% concentrating on the lesson if you are considering what your mates are thinking, even on the remote chance that they behave themselves and don't actively distract. Cameras always have a possibility of doing the same .

@franktbone

4 ай бұрын

I also watched all her videos before they were taken down and the one common thread was not one of her CFI's were honest with her, they were doing the work for her. They also should be held accountable, this was a perfect storm of events leading to what happened.

@thomasdalton1508

4 ай бұрын

She probably didn't notice because it was completely normal for her. As far as she was concerned, that was what flying was.

My instructor once told me mid-training for my PPL that as pilots we start with 2 bags, one filled with luck and the other empty of experience. The trick is to fill the experience one before the luck runs out

@booneboone9705

4 ай бұрын

Damn that's deep

@helotaxi

4 ай бұрын

Lucky people live to learn from their own mistakes. Wise people learn from the mistakes of others. The goal is to be a wise person with lots of lucky friends.

This story is so sad. Thank you for posting. First, I am interested in the psychology of the pilot. Is the confusion we see consistent across all flights or was this just a bad day? Second, I am wondering how she passed her oral exam or the check ride. If I was the investigator, I would spend some time on her examination and the examiner.

I’m not a pilot, but I watch a pilot on KZread. Kelsey, a pilot of the KZread channel “74 Gear” has taught me one thing: 1. Aviate 2. Navigate 3. Communicate IN THAT ORDER. It seems to me (again, I’m not a pilot) that she was focusing on communicating and filming above her aviating and navigating her plane. RIP to her and her father!

@LeTangKichiro

Ай бұрын

Kelsey is a great guy and a very competent pilot. I am happy that you find him interesting and learned one of the basic rules in aviation from him because it is totally applicable to normal life, too. If you focus on aviating your life properly and navigating yourself properly in order to know exactly where you stand in life aka not deluding yourself about your talent, only then should you even think about communicating your life as a pilot. And she had all the wrong priorities. Is that basically what you said? From a strict piloting perspective, that rule is meant to help competent pilots deal with task saturation aka overwhelm in order to get our heads straight again. If we are confused, it helps to know that we don't disentangle ourselseves by communicating first, but by flying the plane first. That rule only works if you are competent in aviating, navigating and communicating. That lady sadly wasn't competent enough to fly a plane at all. Even the aviating part seemed to have her task saturated and my opinion is that she shouldn't have even been around planes in the first place. Some people just aren't made for flying, whether it is a lack of spatial orientation, a character defect or whatever. But if I got you correctly, then you seemed to have a great application of these basic rules in order to explain where she went wrong with her basic life priorities. I like it a lot. In my opinion, she had deep problems. For example, what made her seek attention from the public and go into aviation in the first place even though she was unfit to fly (with dire consequences)? Why did she fail when it came to aviating her own life, navigating and knowing where she stood and why was she so focused on communicating her life while flying herself here (quite literally) into the ground? It is a good reminder that we should only become leisure pilots out of love for flying, not out of desperation for attention and pain avoidance. One can elevate you, the other can kill you. So aviate, navigate, then communicate. Regards from Switzerland!

Saw her videos. She was clueless. She was not ready to fly, and she didn't comprehend how her airplane worked.

@canaudit

4 ай бұрын

Auto Pilot- Please point me in the right direction.. No that was left direction

@vernscheck9089

4 ай бұрын

Yup, it's not like driving a car.

@jasonmarks1636

4 ай бұрын

Blonde's don't fly and chew gum very well. If I was dad, I'd have said NO THANKS... hon...

@mickeysmiths

4 ай бұрын

Yes, agreed 100%. She had no aptitude for flying & was well over her head.. but no one told her 😢

@MultiChrisjb

4 ай бұрын

Still, like any good insurance assessor, you should assume she faked her own death until proven otherwise.

"What No One Is Saying" is the immense effort Hoover shows to give his analysis while being utmost respectful, especially given the circumstances in this case. 👍

@pilot-debrief

4 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@AlbertHess-xy7ky

4 ай бұрын

Hoover is twice the man of Dan Gryder. Dan is half wit.

@uploadJ

4 ай бұрын

@@AlbertHess-xy7ky And, have to say, that is uncalled for. Let's see how you handle LOTOTO or ROTOTO - are you going to turn back to the field?

@AlbertHess-xy7ky

4 ай бұрын

Who cares what you have to say? Delta Air Lines has suspended a pilot while officials investigate charges he tried to run over two Griffin police officers with his private plane. Dan Wayne Gryder, 48, remains in the Spalding County jail, charged with two counts of aggravated assault and obstruction. He is being held without bond and is scheduled to be arraigned on Friday, the sheriff’s office said. A Texas court concluded that online allegations made by Dan Gryder against a Texas pilot and airport owner were false and imposed a $1 million judgement against him August 16. Charles Cook sued Gryder in 2021 alleging a campaign of harassment and slander.@@uploadJ

@uploadJ

4 ай бұрын

@@AlbertHess-xy7ky And, I have to say, that is uncalled for. Now, can you please answer my question? How would you handle loss of thrust on take off? Would you try a turn back to the field?

Good report. Nice overlay of facts from previous videos. Clearly a tale to tell...

Been flying off and on for 34 years. Every time I started again I asked instructor to take me through it like i was a newbie so I can learn again properly. Has served me well to renew my knowledge versus just going out and doing it. Sad she and her father died but not knowing the basics of your airplane is a huge step towards a tragedy. May others learn from her mistake and thank you for posting this analysis.

@kylegilmore3810

12 күн бұрын

"Every time I started again I asked instructor to take me through it like i was a newbie so I can learn again properly." Good post. Intelligence is knowing what you need to know, and being able to learn more. Wisdom is being aware of what you _don't_ know, and being able to acknowledge that. Completely preventable death in her case, had someone stepped in and just said No.

I remember watching one of her videos, she was driving at the time. It might have been one or two, she ran thru a handful of stop signs without a care in the world. She didn't understand safety and control on the ground and she really didn't understand it in the air

@donmcbride1984

4 ай бұрын

Seems like Flight Simulator would help with her basic navigation issues. Like following a heading instead of "let's go this way".

@giraffezebra2698

4 ай бұрын

@@TOMVUTHEPIMP I hope you are not driving anywhere near me. Stop signs are not just a suggestion. I don't run them and don't expect 90% of drivers to run them either. Keep in mind, she was on video running stop signs. I would think someone would be extra careful not to post a video of it.

@drbichat5229

4 ай бұрын

@@TOMVUTHEPIMPI never run a stop sign, if you do please don’t drive

@LilJbm1

4 ай бұрын

​@@TOMVUTHEPIMPI don't run stop signs. Especially if I'm not paying attention while driving.

@ebouwman034

4 ай бұрын

@@TOMVUTHEPIMP Roll through isn't the same as blow.

I honestly think that, if she were a guy, her instructor and peers would have been much more honest with her many shortcomings that made her an incompetent pilot. It's very sad that no one around her told her "no." Including her father.

@AndrewL31413

4 ай бұрын

This is why DEI hiring in airlines scare me 😅

@call_me_stan5887

4 ай бұрын

I bet that's the case.

@andri3012

4 ай бұрын

Wouldn't want to be a mansplainer!

@pakviroti3616

4 ай бұрын

"No" is a word that a lot of women, especially attractive women never hear or seldom hear.

@tylernathan7985

4 ай бұрын

You mean simps

Very sad outcome 😔 but Sun, horizon and what’s the time of day = rough heading 🤷‍♂️ that navigation hiccup would have had me questioning my own abilities early days. Fabulous to hear your direct and rational view on self critical debriefing , this applies in all pursuits 👌

As someone who was a skydiver in 93, I lost my friend due to a reserve malfunction. While I didn’t have children yet (23 yo) she did. I’ve since became a mom to 3 and my youngest turns 18 this November. That will be when I return to a hobby I loved. Your channel has really helped my become hyper aware of things to take note & be aware. This video and story is tragic and not a circumstance I’d be in, all are informative.

@lunam7249

3 күн бұрын

skydiving is for kids, outgrow it now

I'm a former Air Force Human Factors Mishap Investigator, and I find this frightening. I've seen pilots with a few 1000 hours that are also poor decision makers. Great Video. I just subscribed.

@chrisanytime1

4 ай бұрын

As a former army helicopter repair man, I find this frightening.

@deathstrike

3 ай бұрын

Same, I was an Air Force Maintenance Chief and Private Pilot. It's the lack of details as well. Did she file a flight plan? Did she have primary and alternate airports along the route to contact in case of trouble? Did she brief her passenger? Did she have a plan B? Just so many things seem wrong. And not familiarizing herself with her Garmin Autopilot? Not the easiest to use, and best to find an avionics person to show you how it works. Also, Garmin publishes all of its user guides online. And making a video during a critical phase of flight?? Takeoff and landings are critical and need your undivided attention. This is sadly becoming a trend. Respect to her family for their loss.

@ppstorm_

3 ай бұрын

why lie to strangers on the internet? is it an attention thing?

@deathstrike

3 ай бұрын

Who are you talking to?

@ShunkUp

3 ай бұрын

Yea, this resonates with me. Several of my go getter friends got pilot liscences. From day one I made 2 rules. 1. Never fly with them. 2. Never get a liscences myself because I'm not fully invested into it, and it is a dangerous expensive hobby. There was a guy in work that threw a rod and had engine failure. Basically he did nothing wrong just wasn't in a new plane. He was able to land, and saw his family again. He had the piston on his desk (very very light weight design) and never flew himself again. I took the free lesson.

I gave a woman like her a flight lesson once. She had no clue what was going on but all she did was laugh and giggle like it was the best time ever. She did not come back for a second lesson and I was quite happy. Most students take flying very seriously as they should. I don't think Tnflygirl had a clue as to what she was doing or just how dangerous it was. Signing her off in a high performance complex airplane with her little experience was a huge mistake. If she gets lost as soon as she gets off the ground she really isn't qualified to fly anything, much less a Beech Debonair.

@sparkplugpeggy4910

4 ай бұрын

I would think any person who wanted to become a pilot would love planes, would have an interest in knowing the basic principles of flying at least. Hell, Me as a novice, who hates flying, is not mechanical inclined at all, i shouldn't know more about jennys plane than jenny, yet I'm certain i understand the trim swith on her plane more than her.

@karlscher5170

4 ай бұрын

Daddy's girl probably never had to be responsible for her actions

@3xceIIent

4 ай бұрын

I saw another youtuber do a full reaction to the video that was referenced here (where she gets lost right after taking off) and it was quite scary. Even when I am not a pilot myself I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Right after she took off she got distracted trying to use the autopilot. She flew in random directions for like 20 minutes while doing so. She wasn't looking around for other aircraft (even though she was right by the runway). She never used her radio. For a brief second she would realize she was going the wrong way, struggle to figure out what direction they should be going, and then once going the right way again get distracted again. It was like watching a distracted driver on the road. Completely oblivious to their surroundings. It didn't help that her non-pilot dad was sat next to her making the situation worse. He was telling her the wrong direction to go, moving the sun visor for himself and blinding her in the process, and at one point when she couldn't turn the autopilot on he was going to start messing with the circuit breaker to try and get it to work. Luckily he couldn't reach it and gave up. She also asked him to turn the heat on at one point and when he asked her how I don't think she even answered him and he just attempted to do it on his own. The fact that after she watched all of this back she just laughed at herself for "not knowing how to turn the autopilot on" is quite shocking. Even if she didn't recognize the issues in the moment watching that back should have been horrifying.

@goneracing1646

4 ай бұрын

@@sparkplugpeggy4910 it's because we have serious cases of don't wanna-die-itis. Some of the people in these accidents are so casual in their attitude it's crazy. I take more precautions getting into my car every day than some of the people in these videos.

@randyharmon280

4 ай бұрын

If The Truth Hurts ...it's supposed to. But my heart breaks for Her Family 😢

Very well put together sorry for the lost of life and for the family.

I come from a family of pilots, civilian and military. I have to say, this was so hard to watch. It hurts deep in the heart because I know I am watching someone who is going to die. Either way, thank you for this. ❤😢

@samj1185

Ай бұрын

Having sailed many miles beyond view of land, I'm well aware of the skills, equipment and high level of preparation necessary for success. Flying takes that to an extreme level w/ precious little room for error. Anyone who doesn't internalize the full scope of the danger isn't doing it right.

That was truly gut wrenching to watch someone fly who was clearly in over her head. Condolences to her family.

@Mrbfgray

4 ай бұрын

Any reliance on god always scares me.

@phil4986

4 ай бұрын

This. 100% . The young lady wasn't able to properly use the equipment and had a very low threshold of confidence in her own ability to fly the plane. That's why she kept turning on the autopilot, instead of simply looking all around the outside of the plane, getting her bearings and flying the plane. Her teachers should have been way more critical of her inability to properly see everything around the plane properly and actually fly the plane.. Damn sad to watch. Look, don't think I think I'm perfect either. If I was there, I would be just as lost. So I don't fly.

@2drsdan

4 ай бұрын

@@Mrbfgray Maybe you should rephrase that. The fool says there is no God. Psalm 14:1

@greenefieldmann3014

4 ай бұрын

According to the video she had a degree in HR, though.

@larrysouthern5098

4 ай бұрын

Deepest condolences to the family... I am so sorry to hear of this accident.. Flying is supposed to befun... But it can be dangerous.. I will make another comment on another comment section later..

As a flight instructor, I’m going to show this to my students who film their flights. Thank you

@analyticalhabitrails9857

3 ай бұрын

Tell them Mrs. Flight Instructor!! Tell them! Get on to them!! A skydiver explained the difference between' rules' and Laws. He said, Rules are written by men and if you understand the rule and the reason behind it thoroughly, understand your skills, and equipments thoroughly and thoroughly understand the situation you are in, you can, maybe with a little luck, break the rule(s) and be fine. For example, "Thou shalt not exit through clouds" is an FAA rule, but if you can explain to any investigator, why it made sense to do it, you'll be ok". "Laws are written by GOD, and there are no appeals. Gravity is the Law - if you exit this aircraft without a parachute, you will accelerate at approximately 32 feet per second UNTIL YOU REACH terminal velocity for your aerodynamic configuration" #fafo2029 Aviation is UNforgiving!!

@OGParzoval

3 ай бұрын

You set the cameras up and if they screw up o'well. You can do it again. If you crash screwing with cameras someone else will be monetizing the story of how you died.

@MrZerosphere

3 ай бұрын

Flight students who film their flights for social media reasons need to be banned from flying. Lord help us; idiots are taking to the air.

@ahndeux

3 ай бұрын

Better yet, make the students who film their own flights pay careful attention to their videos. If Jenny paid attention to the EVP voices recorded in the video equipment, she could have saved her own life. It was obvious that someone or something was in the cockpit giving her directions. Even a guardian angel can't save you if you don't listen to what they have to say. What is the craziest part is the recorded voice at 9:56 which said "You're going to crash the plane!" Its a very faint voice that sounds like static, but you can make out what it said clearly. Right when she said that she turned it off accidentally and she turned it on, the voice at 10:01 said "Don't do that!" That voice was trying to save her life. I'm sure most people would not have even noticed it.

@jimjones-pz1tt

3 ай бұрын

I would refuse to teach anyone who films themselves flying.

Incredible. I was this disoriented once… during training, on my first cross country solo. It’s hard to comprehend someone being so lost after 100 hrs.

I’m not a pilot and, frankly, don’t even care about flying unless it is necessary to fly commercial. But I’m semi-hooked on your channel and am so very impressed with how objective you are in your debrief process. You are never judgmental in the subjective sense. You clearly are only trying to show where actions were done correctly and incorrectly.

A QFI colleague told me about this woman and sent me a link to her videos of her flying adventures. It speaks volumes that they have been taken down, I watched some of them,obviously before they were removed, I was horrified and dismayed at what I saw. I know at the flying school I teach at, at least two CFI`s used her video`s as examples of how NOT to do things. From what I have read, she had just over 400hrs logged,frankly I am surprised she lasted that long. Let me make it absolutely clear, you can get male and female`s that are bad pilots, drivers,sailor`s, motorcyclist`s or whatever. Some people just don`t seem to " get it ", neither the skills involved, or going by the rules, or at least close to the rules. I doubt there is anyone out there that hasn`t done something a bit stupid , in control of what ever vehicle,hopefully most of us will learn from it, and don`t do it again. However some people think they are indistructible, and won`t learn, don`t care,or think they know better--they are the really dangerous ones. Frankly I am stunned this woman had a license,and I wonder about the 400hrs she claimed, was this 400hrs after getting her license, or 400hrs with an instructor ? Two very different things. If it was 400hrs with an instructor that would explain how she did not have an accident until this. If it was 400 hrs solo, then that`s staggering.She was an accident waiting to happen. Doubtless the FAA and NTSB will look at the record of her instructor/s. You could be forgiven for thinking she paid someone to pass her.That could actually be part of it, nothing surprises me any more. Her lack of the bare bones,basics if you will, is shocking, she has no concept of her airspeed, heading, altitude, trim of the aircraft, or how to operate the auto-pilot, not to mention looking outside at anytime. The best way to describe this woman`s flying is, she was born to be a passenger.

@sonneversets3530

3 ай бұрын

Very well put. 💯 Her poor dad looked pretty perturbed. Probably didn’t say anything b/c of her videoing it. Sad. He def should have. You can always make another video.

@Tkamsker

3 ай бұрын

in our IFR course we had one guy (which was an lawyer ) where the CFI refused to train him because after 20 hours he still didnt get it and they sayed he for sure will kill him and all occupants ...

@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking

3 ай бұрын

​@@sonneversets3530 What men can't see, is clear to me as a woman. She's in panic, and hiding it. I'm sorry, I don't see a "poor dad." I see a nervous girl trying to hide her nerves from her overbearing father. Choking up / freezing not only due to plane terror, but terror of her father's reaction. She's more afraid of HIM than the situation. Look at him. He could reassure. Help. Coach. Give her a break. Does he? He's radiating the vibes of IRRITATION at his daughter's distress. He's making it worse. I am NOT impressed with his behavior here, nor him. She's too scared to ask him for help. I know the type. A father who likely pushed her to always bring prestige to the family. The kind of man who's ready to explode in rage - if she DARE embarrasses him. She is too meek to admit the truth - she is in trouble and needs aid. That would take courage! But - she believes him if he barks at her and says 'you're just not trying or focusing!" She's naive - and thinks if she just tries harder, it'll happen. She can impress him. She's not a failure. Fake it - until you make it. The dynamic of rich-people culture is not being discussed here. It's different. Very different. Many wealthy families will not admit or TOLERATE an embarrassment to the family. Live in complete denial they have anything less than perfect or exemplary offspring. Look up the Kennedy's. The special-needs daughter Joe Kennedy screamed at / shunned / hid and eventually lobotomized for disappointing him. He never accepted she even WAS special needs. These types: They use their children as another tool in the box - to bring prestige to themselves. "My daughter is a natural, just didn't need all the training others need." DID YOU DAUGHTER!? That's what I see. Body language screams louder than words. Even if I'm wrong - the facts. He helped get her killed. He was the one person who could have helped her. He didn't. This is more likely a tragedy of toxic family dynamics, not particularly aviation. Edit: Also, wealthy "entitled" people might bribe/pay/intimidate an instructor. Threaten to ruin careers, get somebody audited. Take the cash from me, or it will be somebody else who benefits. She WILL be passed, by SOMEONE. It's how the ridiculously stupid graduate Ivy League. By writing checks. Think upon this - and many puzzling things about this case - are suddenly not mysterious.

@rogerpatterson3422

3 ай бұрын

@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTrackingit’s not that we cannot see it, but because of constant Marxist propaganda no man dares to say what is clear to the unconscious mind. Women are biologically not equipped to handle dangerous activities where lives are potentially at risk, where rational thinking, spatial ability and the ability to keep calm and think clearly under extreme pressure is the most important aspect beyond anything you could ever learn. Can women fly planes? Yes, but children could also drive cars. Does that make sense though? No it doesn’t. Is it ‚agist‘ or any other Marxist propagandist word you could invent? No that is just logical.

@Fractal379

3 ай бұрын

@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking What some women apparently can't see is that many humans, including males, actually can see that she's internally in a panic and just trying to sound upbeat. You're one of them. You're that type. You're wrong. No biggie.🍹 "He helped get her killed." - She did not 'get killed', she caused her death and that of her father, as sure as if they were seated in a car. She was not passive in her death, she was not the victim of someone else's piloting and there's no evidence the father interfered with her control. She, yes a woman, is directly responsiblefor their deaths. To make a case that the father shared responsibility for failing to talk to her is asinine 🤡 Did it ever occur to your imagination that as a passenger of an inept pilot for all the minutes we've safely watched remotely, that he may have been shitting himself with nerves and trying not to say something that may reveal his nervousness, and make her completely lose it? That your interpretation of events has such a twised perception of the father's role in this tragedy shames whatever instituion claims to have educated you. He was her passenger under her duty of care and alleged expertise. Sort out your daddy isssues.🤨

I think she knew she was a bad pilot. She didn't get the new plane as an upgrade, she got it as a crutch. She bought it so the autopilot could do the flying for her. She was so invested in using it because she thought it was the fix for her issues. But it looks to have became a distraction that made her worse.

@jesse00pno

4 ай бұрын

Exactly my thoughts as I watched this. She bought the plane for the autopilot, thinking it would fix her issues.

@enginerdy

4 ай бұрын

People are raking her because she put her skills on KZread for everyone to critique, but this is the story of so many Bonanza pilots, aka the “doctor killer”

@jackmcandle6955

4 ай бұрын

Her main issue was she didn’t know where she was on the planet in relation to the sun which should come naturally to anyone traveling.

@clambroth1923

4 ай бұрын

@@jackmcandle6955 That or she was mostly concerned which way the camera was pointing so she could posture for it.

@howard5992

4 ай бұрын

@@jackmcandle6955 - a critique of her flying shows she was also frequently unaware of her air speed and her altitude and did not fully understand trim.

Thanks for the debrief. There are way too many “influencers” out there (cute blondes in short shorts, flying planes) trying to get likes and sponsors. This is really more important than your life and the lives of others? WAKE UP WORLD!!!!!

I am not a pilot but so now and then i dream i can fly. Sad story that has to be told to save others. Great content 👍

She spent more time on her image than she did her flying skills. It all ended as we could only imagine.

@isaacrodriguez8907

4 ай бұрын

Very interesting observation! Ego aka vanity, seems to be like such a common down fall. Those that knew her especially her father, should love her enough to help her change.

@scottbrower9052

4 ай бұрын

She wanted clicks, views, and fame.

@alt5z

4 ай бұрын

Ultimate and unfortunate blonde moment.

Your military background shines through - your commitment to safety is without question. I love the none-judgemental way you have dealt with this subject whilst teaching the community how to "debrief" their own flight. Excellent work as normal!

@jaytrock3217

4 ай бұрын

Military and Safety, LOL. Two times the military cares about safety is when they already fucked up and can blame you. When you request to engage after being shot at, but need Pentagon approval while your ass is being shot at.

@pilot-debrief

4 ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

@tonypybus8003

4 ай бұрын

Your very welcome!!@@pilot-debrief

@malcolmwhite6588

4 ай бұрын

@@pilot-debrief I have said the same thing Hoover- yours is one of my favourite channels, in relation to Jenny’s accident. I wonder if she just didn’t know what she didn’t know - you probably have heard of the four stages of competence in your military career, ranging from unconscious incompetence, i.e. you don’t know what you don’t know through to unconscious competence you know longer have to manually think about stuff and you’re good at it, I feel looking at her. She was at the first stage and probably not actually consciously, knowing that she was dangerous and actually lacking the stick and rudder fundamentals

Great video. On a random side note, love the tomcat and the hornet in the background.

The sea is not forgiving, but the air doesn't even care about you! Never ever laugh at crucial mistakes as a pilot. It seems there've been several close calls until she actually crashed. Being a pilot is a mindset you have to have or develop. Which might be the hardest part of the training for many ppl. It is about doing things the right way everytime without ANY excuses. B/c the air doesn't take your excuse and will dump you straight in the ground. No matter which accomplishments you've got in any other fields, private or professional, the aircraft doesn't care, the air doesn't either. So sad, my condolences to her family and a big thank you for this straight fact bases debrief!

I recently completed a motorcycle training course, and one of the most important things my instructors said to me was in the debrief after I'd passed the final test: "You've passed the parking lot test. I just need you to know that that doesn't mean you're ready to ride on the road." I was NOT, and I knew it, but it was almost a relief to hear them say it. And I spent weeks practicing every day in safe situations before I put myself or others in danger by trying a (quiet!) public road for the first time. It's really sad that she didn't have that kind of loving reality check from any of her instructors at any point.

@FatWhiskyDrinkingGuy

4 ай бұрын

Good for you! Now, a little word from me with over 30 years experience..... You'll be learing for the rest of your life. Never think you know it all, and nothing will happen to you. Ride safe!

@carlbruschnigjr1757

4 ай бұрын

Also, there are two rules to keep in mind, Rule 1, Drive like everyone is out to kill you. Rule 2, Everyone is out to kill you. An old rider taught me these rules 40 years ago, and they still hold true today. But a good day on the bike is still one of the best experiences you can have. Stay safe.

@cray1185

4 ай бұрын

Even more advice from someone who has ridden many years…(motorcyclist love to give advice). BE SEEN…not fashionable or looking cool. Fluorescent Yellow / Green / Yellow green …and a lot of it. Ignore crazy studies that claim it doesn’t make a difference. It makes a huge difference. I have witnessed the difference and my friends have also. It is great to be aware and maneuver around dangerous situations when other drivers don’t see you and surprise you. But it is much much much better to just be seen. Do whatever you can possibly do to be seen!

@NormAppleton

4 ай бұрын

Also, you WILL drop the bike. Probability is a bitch.

@kimj4185

4 ай бұрын

@@NormAppleton Lol 100%

Retired Navy pilot/flight instructor here. Agree with your observations and analysis. Honest debriefs are an essential tool for all pilots regardless of experience level. I tried to foster a fun yet professional cockpit environment, especially during instructional hops. However, after being part of a recovery crew and picking up body parts and aircraft pieces from a mishap attributed to a cocky young student pilot, I had no tolerance for students that didn’t take flying seriously. It appears there were many links in the mishap chain, any one of which if corrected could have prevented this tragedy.

You're bang on. She seemed more interested in making content than improving her proficiency. I debrief every flight where I feel like I could have done something better. In fact, I just had a flight yesterday where I feel like I had a close call and could have done something better, and would love to get your take. I'm looking to make some changes to my own policies/decision points. I fly a Citabria 7GCBC in 2550' field. Often, winds are gusty and crosswind, as was the case on this decievingly nice day. A quartering headwind on short final turned into a direct tailwind at about 10kts. Due to gusty conditions, I had already decided to do a no-flap landing and keep my speed up for a wheel landing with some power as needed. I often find this works great, even on runways of this length. The 7GCBC is very floaty. To put things into perspective, 2550' is plenty for a Citabria. However, this time, with the considerable tailwind, I was unable to get the aircraft on the ground in time. I had probably passed the halfway point when I decided to do a go around. I had a tough time gaining altitude, so I pitched for Vy. Came closer to trees than I would have liked. I usually only need about 500ft to get off the ground. My procedure is clean, 80mph IAC, and some power I can dump. It's worked well until yesterday. On shorter runways, one way in/outs, high densitity altitude, and/or heavy I'd use full flaps no matter what conditions are. I may not have executed it perfectly, possibly too steep and too much energy. So far, I have decided to make a change to my decision point, just before halfway and to choose a landmark that I can easily spot on both runways. I'm also re-thinking my procedure, perhaps it's too risky on runways of this length. What is your take? Other than a no-go decision I mean :)