Decent salary when: 1. your company sends you to China 2. teaching at a university + tutoring rich people('s kids)

I use to feel I couldn't live in China also, but after vacationing in China about 15 times I fell in love with China. I live in the States and there's many things I love about China that I didn't realize until I spent more time there. Food, culture, family values, travel, and safety. I can walk all over China and never fear getting shot or robbed like in the USA. its really quite refreshing. I met my wife in China, and I'm quite lucky that she loves me. Our baby will even be a Chinese citizen, mainly because I've come to appreciate the family unity and culture of China compared to the west.

@BashirBAhmad

5 жыл бұрын

My dream is live in China. I am very appreciated it

@BashirBAhmad

5 жыл бұрын

Shaune Schroeder How could I live in China If I don't have more money

@flamingsajib

4 жыл бұрын

@@BashirBAhmad bro my dream is Shanghai or Guangzhou But without good amount of money i can't lead a satisfy life I didn’t watch this video But can u please tell me about some good salary jobs in China?

After going to Suzhou to see friends who were living there for a period of time (working in international schools), I really felt like it was a place I could enjoy living in. But as I upload gigabytes of video each day to KZread I guess that's not going to happen. Real shame as if I could easily work there, I'd move there tomorrow.

be a "programmer" doesn't make you a good programmer, I work in a (kinda big) videogames company in China and our programmers sucks terribly, and our games are pretty damn bad. And also, getting a master degree (but even a PHD) in a chinese university is way easier than in any of the first 10 european countries

@senlinhime

5 жыл бұрын

JimmyGoldenDollar did you get your degree in china? Was is harder to find a job ?

@randomcallum

5 жыл бұрын

interesting as 5 Chinese students i know went to the uk for there degree because it was a lot easier to get in

@phoebesmith3935

3 жыл бұрын

@@randomcallum I know this is an insanely late reply, but Chinese universities are extremely easy to get into as a foreigner but extremely difficult to get into as a Chinese person, hence it being easy to get a degree there if you come from, say, Europe, whereas a Chinese person would face less harsh requirements applying in Europe. It's a strange situation where both countries are easier to apply to than their applicants' home countries

@HotaraTakeo

3 жыл бұрын

@@phoebesmith3935 Not really. Foreigners are given more leeway in most of universities. We have foreigners in my university and when I looked at their thesis and it shows. Most are below of what native would produce with few exceptions.

Okay. If you want to get a job in China and you have a college degree and some funds, go to school there for one year to learn putonghua. Don't go to a 2nd tier language school. Find an actual gov't-run university with ties to the system. Start looking for a job right away through the system. Talk to the professors and tell them your educational background and skillsets and ask to be introduced to the career center. They will then help you look for a job if you satisfy some basic requirements. I've kinda done this myself at one point but didn't go through with it. I got the job offer, but by the end of the year I'd become disillusioned enough with China that I chose to leave. But one friend of mine stayed and now he works as creative director in an advertising firm in Shanghai. Nowadays my company sends me to China fairly regularly and I did spend more time in China than anywhere else in 2009-2011, but I definitely don't want to stay there. I'm huaxia, so unlike Winston and C-Milk there is a path for me to obtain Chinese citizenship. I actually have uncles and aunts who went back in the 60s and are now Chinese citizens. But I definitely don't want to stay there permanently.

@helloworld0609

5 жыл бұрын

Very much true

@mikhailfranco

5 жыл бұрын

Why disillusioned?

Awesome video as always! Thanks for explaining everything.

Those personal experiences is what makes these videos so great! Thanks for the video :)

The format (2 guys driving bikes discussing various subjects) is very interesting and refreshing, I discovered your videos recently and I've been on a streak since. Good job!

Keep up the good work guys, loving the videos!

Great vid guys, thanks for the effort :)

Another great video thanks ADVChina

Great video. Lot's of valuable information.

Another objective and precise info video. Great job Winston and c-milk

As a Chinese,I should say,in general,working in China is not a smart idea for most common foreigners ,unless you have some special skills.just like you said ,you have to do something that Chinese can not do?,Otherwise you are putting yourself into a situation of competing with thousands of Chinese people just for one very common job, Our population is much much bigger than most wester countries

@levelazn

6 жыл бұрын

why don't you have a chinese last name

@a1enterprises820

5 жыл бұрын

I accept your suggestions

@BashirBAhmad

5 жыл бұрын

Forest James I have more skills that is how I want live and study in China

@attiumeyami417

5 жыл бұрын

I think its safe to say your population is bigger than every fucking western country.

@HotaraTakeo

3 жыл бұрын

Would you say it's competition or education that is driving quality of work Chinese are producing?

Most interesting...and with a scenic backdrop

I'm glad to get a clear prospective on how things are in a place where I want to set up my software company. Lovely video keep them coming and really thank you!

Creativity, drive, innovations - your statement on the lack of these characteristics is so on point. My company ten years ago, hired around a dozen of supposedly the best engineers (paying them like $75k) in Bejing and spent $5M to set up an innovation center. Four years went by, no new product launch at all. They were polite and somewhat pleasant given the Chinese accent. Finally, after five years, they did a user interface translation from Japanese to Chinese characters of a Japanese market product for launch in China. We learned that indigenous chinese engineers don't have these characteristics as it make their compatriots look bad. The way we fixed it was to separate them, send over an expatriate and put them through a western boot camp for a year to deprogram them from this mindset. And to boot, we found out that non Chinese companies cannot fire Chinese employees unless they committed a crime! We got rid of them by moving the center from Bejing to Shenzen. They are good at doing well defined jobs but anything that require self-drive and innovations you won't find too many of them. We tend to find those in Hong Kong though. Now we have learned also that indigenous Indians are just as lacking in these characteristics as well as being passively aggressive too. It's only when these folks leave their cultures and live in the West that these desirabe, need I say intrinsic humanistic characteristics blossom.

@romanfox5368

6 жыл бұрын

Chinese are not driven? I don't understand what that means.

@helloworld0609

5 жыл бұрын

Your must be joking. If these two big boys are creative, drive, innovative, they will be very rich and not waste their life on youtube.

@josiahkumpel8529

4 жыл бұрын

@@helloworld0609 what the heck

Thanks guys. You are awesome.

I really enjoyed this Video It's so helpful Thank you

You guys are awesome . I don't even know how I stumbled on you but I thourougly enjoy your videos

People watch your videos and still want to live in China? (I mean I find it interesting and maybe a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there)

@keking2178

7 жыл бұрын

Sic's Space good one man, I love china but can't live there unless I got billion dollars

@oestergaard141

7 жыл бұрын

Just a sign you still don't know shit about China.

@RJT80

7 жыл бұрын

Sic's Space I consider myself an adventurous person who embraces other cultures when traveling but I would have zero interest in actually living in even a top tier city in China. Hong Kong is different.

@Supergecko8

7 жыл бұрын

No it is a sign that not all foreigners want to bust their asses for having a difficult time finding a job with very few possibilities

@LostCloudx4

7 жыл бұрын

After going to 3 cities in China I would shift from Australia tomorrow if I had the chance. But, China has created a China for Chinese... which all countries should have done, looked after their own before others... every other country is too busy trying to diversify and multi-culturalize which is destroying their self identity. Here in Australia just a short walk in the suburbs u will see more people originating from overseas than actual Australians. What's worse if you say that out loud people will call you a racist lol.

this was a good video. pretty interesting stuff

Righteous Road Warriors! Super Appreciate Your Channel, Adventures, Advice & Insights!

love the gds!

That drone shot👌🏽

I love the honesty.

@romanfox5368

6 жыл бұрын

Same. Maybe that's because I'm German though?

謝謝你們的建議

Thanks!

and that's why my job is talent based 😂 I really appreciate your video. safe travels up north!

You guys are too KOol! Thanks for sharing. Great stuff. Hey SerpentZA, are your gauges broken on the bike? Be safe! KO

perfect discussion

Thanks for giving a hand to a fellow French!

I used to live in Shenzhen. It was awesome. Had to adjust cant wait to return

best china vloggers, i agree

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6 жыл бұрын

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love the random reggae guys!

This was great information. Thanks for sharing I find these videos fascinating as do my kids. Obviously as a IT Incident Manager I would most likely not be traveling to China. I certainly would love to visit as a tourist at least once.

Honestly, when you talk to companies online before going to China you get a lot of hassle. A lot of horrible companies make you jump through hoops then flake out. I went on a tourist visa and had probably 7-8 job offers within 2-3 days. I worked without the Z visa and eventually had to go to HK and pay a visa service to take care of my Z visa. I'm glad in many ways I did it that way. The company I'd thought I was going to work for ended up being HORRIBLE. I'd of never known had they represented my visa and I'd of went over to work for them. It just seems China is backwards, so to do things correctly is probably more difficult.

@jackt3356

7 жыл бұрын

DavidRsaid I'd have gone is said in everyday conversation, stop being pretentious

@Monarch816

7 жыл бұрын

Yes - a large amount of my money comes from online. I've spent time in China because it is so cheap as compared to living in Chicago. I figured if I could work 20-25 hours a week and have a Z visa it would be easier than doing a border run all the time. Extra money never hurt anyone anyways.

@Chocolatnave123

7 жыл бұрын

What made the company you were going to work for horrible?

@Monarch816

7 жыл бұрын

They were taking money from parents and telling teachers they would pay them a month later. It got to the point where they owed some teachers 2 months worth of pay. Then they somehow managed to disappear without warning and kept the money.

The best job for foreigners in China has to be soccer player. 20 million euros a year at least but unfortunately Rooney just refused it.

@willli684

7 жыл бұрын

Z. Wei ya, any ball-sports. Most Chinese people are not very interested in sport fields even for ping pong. So, Chinese sport guide always need more talents from outside of border.

These videos are great guys.....I enjoy them very much.....I'm from Houston and my wife is Vietnamese.....#SAVVY!

do u guys recommand going and studying in china ? and if so what are the best fields or degrees that can suit an international student in china ?

Being creative is the heart of programming!

Hi guys, very insightful and useful comments HOWEVER, one or two points that I think may be worth mentioning. I am from the UK, studied Chinese at university and hold an HSK level 6 certificate. I worked in Shanghai and then in Chengdu for various games companies on crappy local contracts making not much more than what you describe; that much is accurate. However, in Shanghai, I ended up working for Square Enix (Final Fantasy, Championship Manager, Hitman etc.) and in Chengdu I got a job at Take-Two Interactive (parent company of Edinburgh based Rockstar North), and last year I GOT AN INTERVIEW for a job at Rockstar North in Edinburgh which I totally fucked up because I couldn't understand the interviewer's thick Glaswegian accent. Needless to say, I went on to find a plethora of amazing non game related jobs in France and the UK which would not have happened if I had not got those jobs in Shanghai and Chengdu. Yes my job was badly paid and yes I was treated like shit, that is absolutely true BUT there is no way in hell in 2012 recession ridden or later that I would ever have had a hope in HELL of getting a job at either of these companies with the thousands upon thousands of applications they receive. I was able to score jobs at those companies because as you mention in your other videos, these companies are not famous in China though they have large presences there. That means if you have decent Chinese like SerpentZA or C-Milk, you can score jobs at some pretty amazing companies, albeit for shitty pay. Just the experience/opportunity alone was worth the huge pay cut. Many of my friends in England studied game design at university full time and have spent their whole lives working in call centres and supermarkets; as those same companies are hugely oversubscribed in my home country. I am a '中国通' and have a large amount of expertise on China, yet I still find your videos very useful and informative. Please keep it up.

how do i pronounce tsingtao? does it start with a hard ch sound? would it sound different in Mandarin vs Cantonese? I only ask that because there are much more Cantonese speaking people in the states than Mandarin due to past political issues in China.

So, I noticed you noted, but drove past that Police Check. Just curious, how does one know when and when not to stop at one? I'm not familiar with what they are and how they work in China. Thanks!

@leedavies6779

7 жыл бұрын

if you're on a motorbike, you never stop. Otherwise, your bike will probably be taken especially in the cities.

great channel, we really don't know what's going on in China and the environment you would have to work in when you are there so it is good to hear a down to earth non filtered western perspective. I was wondering what websites do you go to to find Chinese programmers?

What I heard from a friend of mine is that china is looking for tons of experienced firefighters from foreigen countries since their firefighters basicly suck! I live in Germany at the time and I'm finishing college soon but I always wanted to be a firefighter and thats why I help out a our volenteer brigade in my home town. Would it be possible to finde a position as something like a fire chief in china? We have supperior training and many counties hire foreign firefighters as teachers for new recruits. Does anyone know if they have something similar in china?

You can stream anything over twitch without VPN. Twitch has 5 servers in Asia and they all work fine. I did some 1080p streaming for hours on end without any issues

Does the two backpacks make your riding uncomfortable?

I did enjoy

My hometown. Thanks guys

@romanfox5368

6 жыл бұрын

Are you related to Jackie Chan? Sorry, bad joke.

Hi there - I am about to graduate from a UK Publishing Maters programme. What type of opportunities would there to be to work in China? Would there be any relating to publishing, book related or magazine related? Even looking at marketing and advertising. Any chat you had would be so appreciated!

Guys, i just had to comment on this.programming is a creative job, when you're good at 'debugging' or 'reverse engineering' it doesn't make you a good programmer perse. Im not comme ting on the fact its a low paid job btw, but there is a massive difference between the ordinaire programmer (which you're referring to) and lets say someone who works for google or baidu on ai. Developers are a dime dozen in the west too, its the skilled ones that make a difference. not being negative, stating facts. I love your videos, subscribed and keep on watching them

I can say from personal experience with various expat friends in Guangzhou, that a person CAN come in with a skill set, but there is one caveat. You would need to be hired on by a big foreign company like Siemens, Bombardier or similar. I had two good German friends who were welding engineers. They made crazy big money, great per diam, which included money for housing and daily expenses. Another friend from Sweden who was a master carpenter, he worked for Siemens, constructing subway car framework hidden beneath all the plastic, metal and veneers. I had three friends who had I.T. certification, and so worked on contract for Chinese companies through a foreign employer. So it can be done, just got to hook up with the right company.

Anyone know if similar DJ positions are in demand in other countries like Mexico?

Hi, I’m living in the U.K., I’ve been offered a job in China from a restaurant company based in London to work as a kitchen assistant in a new restaurant called 8uerte, the locations include; Beijing, Shanghai, Shenyang, Yangon and Mandalay. I don’t hold a degree I am educated to high school level. Do you think I will be able to obtain a visa to work and if so what visa will I need?

I really love your vids for so many reasons not limited to giving insight into a differnt culture and other way of life but honest and frank. Also love the dynamic between you guys but why don't you ride trials bikes given the adventures you get up to? Also... why do big trucks overtake you?

Very interesting videos you 2 make, straightforward and informative. How about western lawyers in China?

That's why on news and morning talk shows its really funny when they make a big deal about a western band being huge in China. Probably sport teams too.

What about running Our own business there online, any need for a special visa of some sort?

When I see this topic, the first thing that comes to my mind is that foreigners can work as a foreign teacher. That is what most foreigners do in China. It is indeed a respectable job and they are more well paid than most English teachers in China. I have made a video about an American talking about his teaching experiences in China and he personally admits that it is not fair that he gets a lot more salary than other Chinese professors in the English department just because he is a foreigner. haha

@cloudedkidsandanimation9713

2 жыл бұрын

The high salaries are based on what the people believe is an English speaker and people have to relocate to China which is easier to do if you have a reason to relocate and rewards and matching the sacrifice might be a reason.But yeah,it sucks for local teachers who are aware of this reality.

I work for a UK/Chinese manufacturing company. We own factories in China to produce our products. Work want me to move over there to work to assist with legal, compliance, supply chain issues. Already have work visa and travel there annually and learning Mandarin. Any advice on moving there more permanently. Is it feasible/a good idea?

@Zaine2

7 жыл бұрын

Yes i did. Thankfully work will help me out a lot. Work want me to become more permanent out there. I'm only 25 so it seems like a great opportunity. I will still have all the UK rights. I'm just wondering if there are many negatives. Lots of decisions...

About programming, does this mean that there is a need for creative fields in software development, like UI design, etc?

@goldo1107

7 жыл бұрын

All they do is steal everyone else's ideas. They don't need creativity. They laugh at it actually.

I always wondered how you up load videos with a blocked internet. You probably already told your audience... I'll keep watching :). Stay awesome... I know I will

@ADVChina

6 жыл бұрын

Vpn

你好 have you guys ever tried Chongqing Hotpot?

Awww, I missed half the conversation because I was checking out the reactor on the right-hand side of Winston's camera. At least I think it was a reactor...

I have a Juris Doctorate degree and work in Environmental Law field. What job opportunities would I have in Shandong Province? I have a friend there and have discussed exploring moving there.

interesting!

One of the best ways to seek employment in China, other than being English teachers, is to enroll into a Master program in a Chinese university. The latest policy (starting 2017) will allow you find jobs right after you graduate (w/o prior work experience). Currently China is undergoing a series of reforms to attract foreign talents, and I believe this is a good sign and will continue. These measures are critically important to sustainable development & prosperity in China. I also believe the Majority of Chinese in China want to have foreign co-workers. On KZread there are some 'politically sensitive' Chinese (or pretending to be Chinese) are nobody but self haters. They represent nobody but themselves.

@romanfox5368

6 жыл бұрын

That would be good. If you have to have a Bachelor degree to teach English, you could get your masters there and have something when your visa expires and you go to another country.

Hi Winston and CMilk You are so much fun ! Personally I'd live in Italy or France so really beautiful there. If you haven't been to Rome Venice or Paris you will be Amazed totally enchanting hugs

You guys should do a motorcycle trip to Hainan and continue on to Vietnam to Hanoi and Hai Phong. I would definitely watch that!

Serpenta's speedometer and tachometer are not working? The MPH needle is at zero on the freeway there.

what about jobs in the film industry? just about to start a diploma in film making at the new york film academy in Australia. not a acting or modelling. Crew work, assistant director, dop, etc etc

@jonitan76

7 жыл бұрын

RaiZdbyDINGOES the Chinese now invest their money in Hollywood.. you better go there than China. first you cant speak Chinese, you Will not get the job done properly. second ITS low rate sallary. ITS not worth it.

About the webcam job, you don't really need to leave your country to do that. There are platform like Douyu, 17th stream that you can download and stream. You can still earn in term of few tens thousand RMB. That if you are among the top tier.

I am not very familiar with Chinese programmers but if it's anything like the Indian programmers, Jesus Christ. I have no idea why but i have never seen any code from India to be anything else than buggy spaghetti code.

@goldo1107

7 жыл бұрын

They are fucking morons.

@LadyCatFelineTheSeventh

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I second that. And since they work for pennies they're now doing almost all the coding and they've been in the US so long they control the project management and just refuse any bugs they can't fix and say the bugs don't exist (basically, f u testers and customers). Got into a disagreement with a manager once when I asked why we were hiring people who didn't even own a computer and had no interest in the field - they claimed it didn't matter - believe me, it does. Those people had zero interest in improving their skills.

@OwenWithAHammer

7 жыл бұрын

It's because their education system, especially those revolving around engineering and computer science, are horrible and filled with cheaters. I forget the exact numbers, but more than 50% of engineering students in this one survey admitted to buying their projects more than once, there's a HUGE cheating culture there.

@JayasankarNair

7 жыл бұрын

India is the largest IT sourcing destination.You may have only seen buggy spaghetti code,but check a software and it coders you will find an Indian Name,there may be many persons working for cheap labor(that money is enough to buy a car for him in India) but there are also people which high talent.Why CEO of Google ,Microsoft,Adobe etc ? Indians .Check names while opening a photoshop software.

@LadyCatFelineTheSeventh

7 жыл бұрын

None of the people mentioned have veracity. They are known for some of the worst and most damaging bugs and have never even shown a hint of empathy for their customers who have had to deal with them. They are not skilled codes, just skilled liars. And yeah, I have worked for both Google and MS and quit both because I couldn't take the awful (and racist) work environments. Steps have started in DC to deal with this, though, so it's a matter of time now.

You are sick gnarly dudes.

Just curious, does anyone know if specialised English teaching, ie English for medicine or English for politics/economics officers any higher prospects. Also what kind of degrees are useful, currently I'm planning to most likely study politics with Russian but that may change.

@ieltshongkong

7 жыл бұрын

Where are you from? Teaching a specific feild can get you higher paying clients. Usually a degree in any feild and a TELF certificate is all you need to get a job teaching English. If you have any questions feel free to email me at mrwenzel@yahoo.com. I am a recruiter so if you are looking for a job I can help you out.

@AlexM-zs6ex

7 жыл бұрын

I'm from the UK ,but do also have an Irish passport if this would be preferable for the Chinese in terms of immigration. Thanks for the offer of work but I'm only `17. I was just curious as I've always wanted to move and work abroad and have been considering China as an option especially for teaching specialised English for politics and international relations, but the even a standard English teaching job to work my way up from would be good. Would you mind if I record the e-mail in case you are still involved in recruiting when I would be moving?

@ieltshongkong

7 жыл бұрын

Feel free.

But how can you download VPN-Installers in China, when the servers who provide these downloads, are blocked in China? Do chinese people sell USB-sticks with VPN software on them?

I worked at a Chinese tech company in Beijing in 2011. I speak Chinese though. The pay was less than for foreign English teachers, but was ok. Work hours were intense sometimes.

Stay Awesome

I was visiting last month and VPN saved my bacon. Our company uses Google's G Suite... I also need to use Remote Desktop which wasn't blocked but due to distance from the server it was super awful. I agree that if you need to use the Internet for anything there, do your research and have everything setup before you make your trip.

So, starting up a business is difficult to do because of the visa?

The payment for consultancy and business analytics, such as EY, Bloomberg is much lower than those in EU and US. As far as i know, the payment for EY in shanghai is only 40% compared with the London office.

Just a quick note. You said you can't get a tourist visa converted to work visa after arriving. That is true for most places, but Shanghai and Shenzhen have a different system. I only found out when I moved to Shanghai earlier this year. It's actually faster to get a tourist visa first, and then flip it.

@ADVChina

7 жыл бұрын

+Rónán Cannon really? Not in Shenzhen last time I tried

@ronancannon7925

7 жыл бұрын

I think it's brand new this year, iirc I had my passport back in under 2 weeks.

What's kinda weird here in the UK is we have tonnes of Chinese students studying at our universities and then they seem to go back home.

@jonitan76

7 жыл бұрын

Scribbles they are rich kids. they parents must have big bussiness in China. why you want them to work in UK. they come home to China to run and replace their parents. only Chinese not from china Will find job in us or uk

@fauxpastea4169

7 жыл бұрын

It's weird because universities tend to offer a syllabus tailored for the economy the university is located in. China has many fine universities which surely would benefit from the investment parents are making in their children's education. As an aside I want to clarify that by 'weird' I don't mean it's bad in any way. They're very welcome and hope they find their stay here beneficial.

@myyiyeqiu

7 жыл бұрын

From my observations, there are two types of Chinese students in western countries. One type of chinese students really do very bad on their academy and can not be admitted by good chinese universities or even colleges. Since westerner college diploma is stilled valued in china, some rich kids only try to get a degree in western countries and go back to china to start their career. Another type of chinese students get admitted to western universities due to their excellent academic performance. A lot of them will stay in western countries after graduation due to comfortable western lifestyle, but some of them will return to china for better career development opportunities.

@LouisKing995

7 жыл бұрын

Yu Wang Are you implying by the first part of that comment, that western universities are easier to get into than Chinese ones? You realise that the best universities in the world are in the west don't you ?

@myyiyeqiu

7 жыл бұрын

Hi. It is true that best universities are in the west. Rich kids from china are not admitted by best universities. In china, it's different to be admitted by any universities if you do not do well in exams. But some bad western universities admit anyone, only if you have enough money.

China is beautiful, spent 4 years in Shenzhen. I'm from Canada, immigrant from Ukraine. Canada is boring boring, China is a FUTURE, want go back.

I'm curious about your thoughts on the missile launching? what will you do if theres a war? can you do a video about that?

@ADVChina

7 жыл бұрын

Locals will just smash korean products and wave the flag for a while then it'll go back to normal

Any resources to recommend for professional job search? Post-grad.

The entrance level payment for IT in China is about 30%-50% silicon valley level (15 - 30 k usd). However, you can be paid much more if you reached to the middle level management (5 years experience) ,normally between - 200 k - 500k usd in huawei and other BAT companies.

What would a good wage be for expats in the big cities? Like Beijing, Shanghai, Guanzhou, etc?

When are you guys going to fix those speedometers???

What about working in the legal system, would that still be considered low paying jobs?

you guys are soo goods man.... your like my role models... and Im a hard core zen buddhist, so role models are one thing I do no need hahaha! keep being awsome!! :D :D :D :) :P

I wonder if the same programmer or doctor in China vs. US (for example) have the same caliber of skill sets.

@skylinec83

7 жыл бұрын

bird718 I'm not discounting what you're saying, but I don't know if it's as simple as you say it is. It's my opinion that very common functions of technical jobs may be actually be better done by the Chinese counterparts. In the programmer and doctor example, I'd say that writing common programs like math related calculations or search queries and remedying physical wounds or diagnosing common cold/flu/infections may be better or more efficiently performed by the Chinese professionals. And that's mainly due to repetition and sheer volume of number of times those tasks are done. But if you're trying to build the next Siri/Alexa (AI) or diagnosing rare diseases or cutting edge medical research, then the US counterparts would excel. It's probably due to a mix of more freestyle thinking and better funding. Again, this is just my opinion based on what I've seen. I don't know enough details to say for sure.

Having had to deal with Chinese students at my university I'm not exactly convinced of them being superior to their western counterparts in any department other than laziness. In my experience they're much more likely to look up some ill suited copy n' paste solution on the internet than to try to create a solution to a problem suited to actual the problem at hand on their own. My guess as to why is that Chinese are taught to cram read and memorize things rather than use any methods that require some form of creativity. They're also a menace when it comes to cheating in exams. My old university used to have really lax policies when it comes to exams, but they had to make them much more strict (one teacher described them as Kafka-esque) simply because of how often they caught Chinese students trying to cheat.

@myyiyeqiu

7 жыл бұрын

It quite depends. There are good universities and also bad universities. I studied my bachelor and master degree in China, and am a teaching assistant in one top university in Canada. Canadian students are so good in writing thesis and presentation, but so poor at exams.

@LAG09

7 жыл бұрын

That may be the Chinese attitude towards cheating, but the western attitude is that you shouldn't and that schools should supervise people well enough that those who do are caught and either dispelled outright or made to re-do anything they've cheated on without cheating.

@CzornyLisek

7 жыл бұрын

"Western"? You mean US? In Europe from my experience it's completely normal to cheat on every single exam ect.

@LAG09

7 жыл бұрын

I got my education in Europe so the accusation of this being an American thing isn't exactly hitting home. I know things are a bit different in the old Soviet block countries where problems like thesis plagiarism are rampant, but they don't really count as being part of "the west".

@LAG09

7 жыл бұрын

Not sure what you're trying to say, but when I talk about Chinese students I do mean people born in and raised in China, not descendants of immigrants from China born over here. The ones born and raised over here share our values toward hard work and honesty. I guess in the end the Chinese attitude towards working hard, being honest and doing a good job is pretty similar to the what the Irish are infamous for.

So can you still move to China and teach English if you have a degree?

Actually in Shanghai the government does change business and travel visas to residence permits, totally bypassing the single entry Z visa. A "work" Z visa is just an entry permit, it is quickly replaced by a residence permit, which lasts 1, 2, 3 5 years etc depending on whatever your company requests for you. A residence permit is what gets renewed every year.

It is strange that in Shenzhen it is hard to find somebody who can speak English. That is not the case in Shanghai, where you may bump into somebody who can does not speak English, but you can always find somebody who speaks English around you in downtown area.

What about academia and research (PhD/postdoc level)? I guess you could get away with only speaking English, but is it worth it?

In terms of communication with the world, the 50 million mainland Chinese citizens living overseas have absolutely no problem communicating with their families and friends in mainland China. If you ask them they will tell you how easy it is.

@Supergecko8

7 жыл бұрын

they have experience them self too, C-milk for example has an American family as you can see in his videos so I'm pretty sure they know what they are talking about

@ainsleywainsley

7 жыл бұрын

They were talking about communicating for business though. In which case numerous problems with communication would arise.

@LeoShuai

7 жыл бұрын

ainsleywainsley What “numerous problems with communication” are you referring to? Companies like Alibaba have great B2B working model and they are doing great. I don't see numerous communication problems.

@andrewsuryali8540

7 жыл бұрын

Meh. My company actually partners with China Huadian and there was a time BOD went into full-on witchhunt mode because emails were being ignored by field managers and Huadian personnel in Beijing. Later we found out that their email server BLOCKS ALL FOREIGN EMAILS. Here's a Chinese major trying to run an international business and they can't even receive email from their foreign partners. I'm one of those company engineers Winston mentions, and having spent several years in China, I can confirm that telecommunication issues still predominate even after we set up our own infrastructure.

@andrewsuryali8540

7 жыл бұрын

Actually, they do. Go check out Winston's take on the foreigner classification system. You CAN get something similar to a green card issued to you if you're a 1st class foreigner who satisfies a very specific criteria. They'll even offer you citizenship if you're huaxia (of Chinese descent). The problem is just that 99.999% of foreigners in China don't fall into this category. In 2005 I almost fell into this bracket because I had a master in Aerospace Engineering and an actual US security clearance from grad school days when I had to do part of my research in NASA labs. They kinda cooled down when they realized my research was some esoteric stuff and the NASA lab access was for a vacuum chamber since my school was too poor to afford one.

I'm more interested in leveraging any work history in China if you were to return back home. It would seem that it could often just be a black hole on your future resumes. Even when providing contact info, chances they can communicate well, if at all, with your previous Chinese employer seems small. Do you guys ever worry about that if you return home?

@rainmanslim4611

7 жыл бұрын

R T while international calls are monitered and expensive it is possible. provided your former employer knows enough english to say you were good at the job. otherwise you can just put the job you did in china on your resume and hope they'll take you at your word. best add in a phone number and email if possible so they can check if they want but likely itll just add credibility to your claims

@andrewsuryali8540

7 жыл бұрын

Find an employer known internationally. For example, I know of one kid (23 when I met him) from France who worked as a translator for Shanghai Electric Group in 2011 then leveraged that experience and connection to get a job with Black & Veech in the US around 2015. It's especially handy if your work gets you sent abroad to meet with potential - ahem! - future employers there. That said, be careful because this is a career trajectory that might get you sent to weird places. Said kid is now working somewhere in Africa where B&V is a supervisor for a project supplied by SEC. Basically, have an adventurous heart.